People can vote with their feet. You haven't asked me if I did/do.
It doesn;t change the fact that there is IMHO an unpleasantness about that airline.
Attempting to charge disabled people extra:http://www.stammeringlaw.org.uk/cases/ross.htm
Charging 1300 for 3 violins:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1299616/Ryanair-makes-musicians-buy-seats-VIOLINS.html
Your absolutely right that if that people choose with their wallet, and obviously people are happy to use ryanair. Doesn;t change the fact that a lot of people, myself included think they are cunts, who wouldn't know the definition of "goodwill" if it bit them on the arse
The musical instrument thing can apparently get quite bad, they're notorious for selling people seats for their musical instruments and then putting people in them when they've oversold regardless.
Also, musicians are now allegedly getting (non RA) junk mail addressed to Messers A. Trombone, A. Cello etc. delivered to their houses when the only time that 'name' has ever been used is for RA seat bookings for their instruments.
This happens to real people too across all airlines. Its common knowledge/practice for airlines to over-sell seats as historically there are always a few people who don't turn up, and they bank on someone taking the next flight for a small gratuity for the inconvenience (the size of which may vary).
I don't get the animosity people have for Ryan Air, its a free market they can do what they want (including the deviously underhand "you must pay with this obscure card otherwise we'll charge you extra" as its not outside the law). They offer very cheap flights and if you don't want to play their game and accept the break-down of costs (extra for everything!) then its very simple, stop complaining and just fly with someone else, that way RyanAir don't get your dollar and you get a service your happier with (maybe!).
Because they are a bunch of cunts? I have no intention of ever using them, and I can still call them a bunch of cunts any time I want. Why? Because I think they are a bunch of cunts. Simple. Same as Starbucks, same as MacDonalds same as any organisation I choose not to use.
Quote from: slack---line on September 08, 2010, 03:16:06 pmThis happens to real people too across all airlines. Its common knowledge/practice for airlines to over-sell seats as historically there are always a few people who don't turn up, and they bank on someone taking the next flight for a small gratuity for the inconvenience (the size of which may vary).They don't make expensive, handmade, irreplaceable, fragile, hundreds-of-years-old (etc.) people get into the overhead lockers if they've paid for a seat and there's already someone in it.
Eh? You were talking about over booking seats, which happens to people not just over-sized baggage (which is what you originally highlighted it as). The over-sized baggage wouldn't be allowed on board to be placed in the over-head bin....because its over-sized which is why they had to pay for a seat for it in the first place, and excess people aren't allowed to travel! Nowhere have I said that over-sized baggage or people should be placed in over-head compartments, I was making the point that just because something (e.g. violin)/someone (e.g. me) could fit into an over-head bin doesn't mean that it should
Yeah, I understand that. If someone takes an oversized case onto a plane despite all the warnings not to do so then they're an idiot if they get butt-hurt when they get charged for hold baggage. What I was saying is that when musicians take their musicy things onto a plane, paying for extra seats specifically for the inanimate instruments, they're often fucked by RA who treat their already paid-for non-human seat-bookings as still sell-able seats and insist that the instruments go in over-head lockers or their owners bugger off. This isn't a simple case of 'you get what you pay for', this is RA being dicks because they don't lose any money or any sleep when they fuck people over.
Quote from: slack---line on September 08, 2010, 12:25:09 pmI don't get the animosity people have for Ryan Air, its a free market they can do what they want (including the deviously underhand "you must pay with this obscure card otherwise we'll charge you extra" as its not outside the law). They offer very cheap flights and if you don't want to play their game and accept the break-down of costs (extra for everything!) then its very simple, stop complaining and just fly with someone else, that way RyanAir don't get your dollar and you get a service your happier with (maybe!).Because they are a bunch of cunts? I have no intention of ever using them, and I can still call them a bunch of cunts any time I want. Why? Because I think they are a bunch of cunts. Simple. Same as Starbucks, same as MacDonalds same as any organisation I choose not to use.
....and eating a bacon and egg McMuffin?
I think quite a few things are cunts/cuntish, but I don't get riled by it and feel the need to post "Grrr, look at these cunts" each time they do some new cuntish thing, particularly when its so transparent that they are playing the media game to get free advertising.
Yeah 'cause thats a really good idea, nice of you to display the virtues of tolerance that your religion preaches!
Quote from: slack---line on September 08, 2010, 04:07:29 pmI think quite a few things are cunts/cuntish, but I don't get riled by it and feel the need to post "Grrr, look at these cunts" each time they do some new cuntish thing, particularly when its so transparent that they are playing the media game to get free advertising.Fair enough buta) you should, it's good for your mental healtth to vent your anger somwhere and
b) you shouldn't let it bother you if other people do.
Pressure mounts:http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/sep/08/phone-hacking-news-of-the-world-witness?CMP=twt_gu
Why do you keep complaining about NotW? If you don't like what they do, just don't buy the newspaper.