[Monolith]

Thus far, I'm failing to see quite what the 'improvements' in io6 are. I'm finding myself increasingly more irritated as I discover some of the 200 odd changes since ios5; the biggest one being that I can no longer see my iphone 4s in itunes or in any way shape or form on my macbook pro. I've tried a few things but struggling to get the two to talk.

Has anybody else had a similar problem or know of a fix? Right pain in the scrote.

[GCW]

Works fine for me on my PC.  Not much help, sorry.

[slackline]

Got to love the "Just works^TM" philosophy.

A friend who is a regular in the church of Apple never updates any OS (OSX or iOS) until at least revisions #.1 as there are always annoying bugs in #.0.  Worth considering if you don't want painful scrotes?

[Stu Littlefair]

Slackers - "it just works" doesn't mean "there are never bugs", it means "you can use this without 45 minutes of editing config files, and googling for obscure and undocumented settings".

Having said that I had a similar problem in the past, and the link below sorted me out

http://service.goshen.edu/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/116/87/ipad-or-ipod-not-showing-as-a-device-in-itunes

[slackline]

It was a gibe and meant in a friendly manner as opposed to being an attack.

I'd guess that the "problems" that people have with iOS/OSX is proportionally the same as its always been, there are just more users these days.

The beauty of Linux are the man-pages which document every command line program and there is very little that is ever undocumented, and config files are usually heavily commented to help the user understand what they are changing.

[Johnny Brown]

Macs are fucking shit lets face it. I fell for the marketing a couple of years ago, and whilst it's a nice piece of hardware, the OS is designed for morons and getting worse. Windows 7 is far more user-friendly for anyone who actually wants a machine to do what they want, rather than what apple programmer has decided what you WILL want.

[slackline]

 

what apple programmer has decided what you WILL want.

That appears to be a common theme, but often people are coming from another OS that they are already familiar with and they expect things to work in the same way on their nice shiny new fruit branded hardware. 

[dave]

On the other hand, in 2010 after two months of having to use windows7 for 37 hours a week to make my living on I bought a mac for at home.

In the two years since I've had far fewer problems with the mac than over any 2year period of any other windows PC I've ever had. In particular the hassle free way that macs deal with backups, installing and uninstalling software and OS updates etc is almost worth the extra money in itself. In contrast I would dread having to try to do windows updates, or trying to uninstall some shit that refuses to uninstall.Of course if you love reinstalling your OS every month, then a mac isn't for you.

[Ru]

Never really had a problem with osx only doing what the programmers want you to do that wasn't fixed by a quick google and entering a line of text into terminal.

[tomtom]

iOS and OSX are both unix based....

[Johnny Brown]

Never really had a problem with osx only doing what the programmers want you to do that wasn't fixed by a quick google and entering a line of text into terminal.

"it just works" doesn't mean "there are never bugs", it means "you can use this without 45 minutes of editing config files, and googling for obscure and undocumented settings".

AHAHAHAHAHA.

In particular the hassle free way that macs deal with backups, installing and uninstalling software and OS updates etc is almost worth the extra money in itself

I don't get it, Windows 7 does all this too, never had a problem. I've honestly yet to find a single thing that the mac does better. And it does a lot worse.

Of course if you love reinstalling your OS every month, then a mac isn't for you.

I'd heard great things about Keynote, so was planning to give it a go. Unfortunately apple won't sell me a version that will run on last years' OS. I have no need for this years, nor have I seen it given a decent review anywhere.

[Monolith]

Slackers - "it just works" doesn't mean "there are never bugs", it means "you can use this without 45 minutes of editing config files, and googling for obscure and undocumented settings".

Having said that I had a similar problem in the past, and the link below sorted me out

http://service.goshen.edu/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/116/87/ipad-or-ipod-not-showing-as-a-device-in-itunes

Thanks Stu, I'll be sure to take a look at trying this later on today.

[Snoops]

On the other hand, in 2010 after two months of having to use windows7 for 37 hours a week to make my living on I bought a mac for at home.

In the two years since I've had far fewer problems with the mac than over any 2year period of any other windows PC I've ever had. In particular the hassle free way that macs deal with backups, installing and uninstalling software and OS updates etc is almost worth the extra money in itself. In contrast I would dread having to try to do windows updates, or trying to uninstall some shit that refuses to uninstall.Of course if you love reinstalling your OS every month, then a mac isn't for you.

+1

Disclaimer: Although computer literate, I have no knowledge of programming and config files - so maybe that makes me one of the 'morons'  I don't know 
Having been PC/windows all my life I switched to mac 18 months ago. It works for me - as Dave says hassle free, runs smooth and syncs nicely with all my kit.
Also and more importantly after 18 months it shows no signs of slowing down/clogging up unlike every PC I have ever owned. My previous work laptop was a top range VAIO and after a year I switched it on and could go  for a cup of tea and a  knowing it would be still be loading up when I got back........
No doubt the more capable of us could sort this out, and I've no doubt in their hands a PC might be more versatile. For some of us though macs do  'just work'

[Ru]

Never really had a problem with osx only doing what the programmers want you to do that wasn't fixed by a quick google and entering a line of text into terminal.

"it just works" doesn't mean "there are never bugs", it means "you can use this without 45 minutes of editing config files, and googling for obscure and undocumented settings".

AHAHAHAHAHA.

Not quite hahahahaha, I think I've had to do this about twice in 15 years to fix some systems crashes or to force remove a stuck CD, not like some of the half day marathons I've had with PCs trying to get them to recognise a printer or usb drive.

[Johnny Brown]

My mac must be fucked then.

after 18 months it shows no signs of slowing down/clogging up

.

Mine does. I get the fucking wheel every time.

not like some of the half day marathons I've had with PCs trying to get them to recognise a printer or usb drive

So far, PC has been plug and play every time, mac has failed to recognise every time.

I suspect most folk who are wowed by macs have switched from the kind of cheap, poorly specced machines apple simply don't make. Unfortunately for anyone who has a half decent PC there simply isn't an improvement for your doubled costs.

[tomtom]

Mono, you can always downgrade to iOS5....

http://www.maclife.com/article/howtos/how_downgrade_back_ios_5

TBH, I'd be tempted if I was getting the grief you seem to be having..
Mines been OK - but I sync via I cloud etc...

[slackline]

Also and more importantly after 18 months it shows no signs of slowing down/clogging up unlike every PC I have ever owned. My previous work laptop was a top range VAIO and after a year I switched it on and could go  for a cup of tea and a  knowing it would be still be loading up when I got back........
No doubt the more capable of us could sort this out, and I've no doubt in their hands a PC might be more versatile. For some of us though macs do  'just work'

You're conflating the hardware and the software in these sentences.

The hardware is the PC (i.e. the VAIO from Sony).  It is running the software (which in this case is the operating system) M$-Win7 (or whatever incarnation).

It is almost certainly the software (i.e. the operating system or another piece of software installed within the operating system) that slowed down and not the hardware (as that would have been evidenced by something breaking and the whole thing stopping pretty soon, e.g. hard drive or RAM).

after 18 months it shows no signs of slowing down/clogging up

.

Mine does. I get the fucking wheel every time.

You're not the only one nathan wind has been having similar problems (and again, and would rather have their old machine back).


I was going to stick a link in for Google's Mac search , but it appears to have been wound down (along with the Linux and Windoze specifc search sites) some time last year.  So how about mac users providing links to the useful Mac forums they frequent when they have a problem?


For example I use the Gentoo Forums when I have problems because I use Gentoo, I point Linux new-comers to LinuxQuestions.org as its often on a version I don't use and its a useful site with useful users.  There must be similar for Macs, as the two provided links for useful info from Stu and Tom aren't for official Apple sites, and there must be a fair few others out there that the genii use.

[Monolith]

Cheers for the link Tom. Just about to have a play now and see what can be done.

[slackline]

Cheers for the link Tom. Just about to have a play now and see what can be done.

I wait with baited breath for the outcome, good luck!

[tomtom]

Cheers for the link Tom. Just about to have a play now and see what can be done.

I'd scan the comments at the end of the article Mono - theres plenty of folk who've had difficulties - depends on what version of Itunes you're using I think... from my scan looks like it works for some but not for others..
Hope its not duff beta..

[Monolith]

Solved eventually.

Just did a reinstall of Snow Leopard, applied some updates and downloaded current Itunes. Thankfully, it did 'just work'.

[Johnny Brown]

You 'just' reinstalled the OS? FFS.

So how about mac users providing links to the useful Mac forums they frequent when they have a problem?

This a the real problem with macs. Google an issue and all you get are threads where fanbois lambast the OP for daring to find a problem.

[Monolith]

Well, if the truth be told, I initially installed Leopard after the HD failure and I forgot I had to do a Snow Leopard upgrade. This is the OS version I had been working with that saw the iphone 4s. Having just chanced upon the disc, I upgraded the OS. It was, I believe, a combination of my error and software/hardware incompatibility.

[tomtom]

Glad you got it sorted Mono - I was a bit worried when I read all the issues in the comments under the instructions!

[Monolith]

Ditto Tom when I read them. The HD and all is ticking over nicely so thanks again for that mate.