Thanks for the info. Ablon certainly looks like another possibility, it si aso in th right direction for going home I take it again that guides are available locally, where do you camp? Being up high might not be an issue at the moment it i only about 12 degrees here and I think only around 25 near Marselles. I had ruled out Ceuse because I was guessing the weather would be similar ad th grade range too high, likewise (in terms of grades) Buoux. Am realisticaly after mid 6s to low 7s are either of these venues worth it?