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New phone
November 19, 2008, 02:56:52 pm
Getting a new phone next month, normally stick with nokia's.
Thinking of either N96 or E66. Anyone have experience of either of these or other recomendations?

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#1 Re: New phone
November 19, 2008, 03:12:06 pm
'fraid not, but if the N96 is anywhere near half as good as the N95 (which it no doubt is since its basically a slightly revised/updated/improved version) I'd grab one of them.

As you can probably tell I've been very impressed with my N95 :)

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#2 Re: New phone
November 19, 2008, 05:41:28 pm
Getting a new phone next month, normally stick with nokia's.
Thinking of either N96 or E66. Anyone have experience of either of these or other recomendations?
I've had loads of Nokia's but got an Iphone earlier this year. Simply miles better than any other phone I've ever had.
I've never been an apple liker (never seen what all the fuss about macs is) but this things just the dogs bollocks...

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#3 Re: New phone
November 19, 2008, 11:50:08 pm
except for the fact you can't run 3rd party apps on it and in which case I might just as well buy a very basic phone

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#4 Re: New phone
November 20, 2008, 01:28:25 pm
You could be fly and get a kick arse phone  :P

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#5 Re: New phone
January 11, 2009, 11:09:36 pm
except for the fact you can't run 3rd party apps on it and in which case I might just as well buy a very basic phone

So I must be doing something wrong then cos I've just checked an I've got 15+ 3rd party apps on my iPhone!

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#6 Re: New phone
January 12, 2009, 08:11:03 am
except for the fact you can't run 3rd party apps on it and in which case I might just as well buy a very basic phone

So I must be doing something wrong then cos I've just checked an I've got 15+ 3rd party apps on my iPhone!

I think the point is that until very recently Apple restricted access to the API for iPhones meaning anyone who wanted to develop apps for it had to buy a license.  This in turn meant that they had a cost to cover and as a consequence virtually all 3rd party apps have to be purchased for the iPhone, which is in complete contrast to say Nokia's Symbian which is based on Open C making it relatively easy and fostering a community of developers who make their applications available free of charge.  In a sense comparable to M$/Apple v's GNU/Linux (although there are still aspects of Symbian which are proprietrary).

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#7 Re: New phone
January 12, 2009, 11:23:45 am


I think the point is that until very recently Apple restricted access to the API for iPhones meaning anyone who wanted to develop apps for it had to buy a license.  This in turn meant that they had a cost to cover and as a consequence virtually all 3rd party apps have to be purchased for the iPhone, which is in complete contrast to say Nokia's Symbian which is based on Open C making it relatively easy and fostering a community of developers who make their applications available free of charge.  In a sense comparable to M$/Apple v's GNU/Linux (although there are still aspects of Symbian which are proprietrary).
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I see what you are saying but it's factually incorrect, if people want to beat down on the iPhone do so for a real reason (it doesn't do MMS, Bluetooth is limited etc) there are many ways to program apps for the iPhone Objective C is an open platform, create webapps using open standards, I am looking to create apps for the iPhone using Ruby which is another very open programming language.

As far as getting apps into users hands there are an abundance of free apps many of which are fantastic.  However I don't agree with this idea that people should get everything for free!  If I spend time and effort creating something for others to use and enjoy, I expect some compensation for that work.  Whether it's music, film, applications on a computer or iPhone!  sadly many people seem to think they can just take things without having to pay for the privaledge :(

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#8 Re: New phone
January 12, 2009, 12:08:35 pm

I see what you are saying but it's factually incorrect, if people want to beat down on the iPhone do so for a real reason (it doesn't do MMS, Bluetooth is limited etc) there are many ways to program apps for the iPhone Objective C is an open platform, create webapps using open standards, I am looking to create apps for the iPhone using Ruby which is another very open programming language.

The open sourcing is a recent move by Apple, that was the point that I was making.

I can't stand Java apps on the desktop let alone on hand held devices with limited hardware resources (essentially Java works across platforms because it runs a virtual machine which has quite a large overhead).

As far as getting apps into users hands there are an abundance of free apps many of which are fantastic.  However I don't agree with this idea that people should get everything for free!  If I spend time and effort creating something for others to use and enjoy, I expect some compensation for that work.  Whether it's music, film, applications on a computer or iPhone!  sadly many people seem to think they can just take things without having to pay for the privaledge :(

 :lol: :lol: :lol: You're not serious are you?  Since you seem to be missing the glaring contradiction that you are happy to use FOSS to develop something that you then expect people to pay you for?  Are you making a donation to the Ruby project?  Will a proportion of the revenue generated from your web-app be returned to those who developed the software you've used to develop your site?

 :read:

You'll probably find that Ruby on Rails will be of use.  The equivalent in Perl is the Catalyst Framework which has the dsitinct advantage of a longer history/pedigree of users, and far far more modules for interacting with web-pages.

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#9 Re: New phone
January 12, 2009, 04:17:50 pm
well I've had to go back to o2's xda ignito (htc diamond) which is a fly phone just no keyboard lets it down.
Fed up of waiting for the xperia to come into stok and there are no plans for o2 to do the htc touch HD so I'll just have to wait it out till my this contract runs out and there will be something better out by then anyway

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#10 Re: New phone
January 12, 2009, 05:52:51 pm
Jim, I think it's yourself that is being funny!

Just consider for a second what open source software is, why do people develop it??  Following your logic we would have to say that if you want to create open source software then you have to use non commercial products.  Which we could follow along to an ultimate end that means OSS could never be produced in the first place!  OSS refers to the license that a developer distributes their software under, not the tools that developer uses.  For instance I could use commercial software (such as Code Warrior) to create OSS if I wanted.  If I choose to give something away under an open source license I do so under the full knowledge that other people can (and likely will) use that to make money.  It's like an art collector buying a piece of art and donating it to a museum or gallery to display and profit from.

All of which is completely off topic, your original assertion was that there are no 3rd party apps for the iPhone, of which there are in fact hundreds (if not even thousands now!).

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#11 Re: New phone
January 12, 2009, 09:01:58 pm
Jim, I think it's yourself that is being funny!
I think that you need to pay closer attention to who is posting and who you are addressing.  It is I who is taking you to task over FOSS, Jim has simply commented on his current phone state, and it was he who made the assertion that you couldn't run third party apps on it (and I apologise to Jim if I've put words in his mouth by saying that it was the fact that you had to pay for all licensed apps until recently on the iPhone).

Just consider for a second what open source software is, why do people develop it??

As you noted below open source software is simply referring to the fact that the license under which it is released means that anyone may request the source code that accompanies that software.  Nothing more, nothing less.

The motivation for doing so is multifaceted.  Perhaps some people simply enjoy the challenge of coding, having done that perhaps they enjoy sharing the knowledge that they have with the world, or (and this is where proprietary software could learn a lot) they acknowledge that they and in turn their code is not perfect, and one way (in my opinion the best way) to find (and indeed often fix) bugs in the code is to have as many people as possible scrutinised your code which is implicit in using an open source software license.  Alternatively, perhaps people feel that they have benefited from the open source community in the past and after having developed and learnt some skills in coding they feel like giving back their time and effort for free to the various communities who helped them for free.

Note that none of these reasons are motivated by financial gain which seems to underpin your motivation.

  Following your logic we would have to say that if you want to create open source software then you have to use non commercial products.  Which we could follow along to an ultimate end that means OSS could never be produced in the first place!

Indeed, that is the stance that Richard Stallman took when he started the GNU project way back when.  He did it in his own time you don't have to be paid for all the time you spend in front of a computer, many people see it as a hobby, but in this instance Stallman didn't he wanted to make a business out of it, but keep the code open source.  How did he do this?  Well he had aims for the company (to produce a UNIX like OS under the name of Hird) as well as text editors (viz. Emacs), C/C++/Fortran compilers (GCC suite) and various other things, but he wasn't rigid on what he was going to do.  If a company wanted to pay him to develop a feature of the software that wasn't his priority, he then made it his priority until the money stopped coming in (might I suggest reading up on the history and motivation of GNU and other open source software such as BSD, Perl, Python and so forth if you haven't done so already).

Look at other FOSS companies such as Fedora and Ubuntu, how do they turn a profit (and they do)?  They do so by selling support rather than restricting access to the source code of their product which ultimately is cutting off your nose to spite your face.  If one of their products is found to be lacking the functionality that is required then that dictates the direction in which development will go.

Why are big IT companies such as IBM, Sun, nVidia, HP, Dell and many others actually paying for the development of OSS?

  OSS refers to the license that a developer distributes their software under, not the tools that developer uses.  For instance I could use commercial software (such as Code Warrior) to create OSS if I wanted.  If I choose to give something away under an open source license I do so under the full knowledge that other people can (and likely will) use that to make money.  It's like an art collector buying a piece of art and donating it to a museum or gallery to display and profit from.

Well we agree on this point, and its rather fortunate that many people do give their software away for free.  Care to guess how many servers run LAMP (Linux Apache (My)SQL and Perl)?  Quite a few, such as Amazon and flickr (you can look up the percentage estimate yourself if you fancy).  Its a good thing that people are willing to give away their work and knowledge, what would you do if Tim Berners-Lee had kept his hypertext language to himself and his friends?

The art analogy is poor though as it implies that the source code is static which couldn't be further from the truth, the whole point is that users are supposed to be able to modify them if they are so inclined.  I don't think there would be too many art galleries happy if after having been donated a Rembrandt they had to put it on the wall with some paints and brushes next to it and a plaque that read "Improve me if you think you can"!!!

All of which is completely off topic, your original assertion was that there are no 3rd party apps for the iPhone, of which there are in fact hundreds (if not even thousands now!).

As you can see I never said that there weren't any third party apps, simply that you had to pay for them all by virtue of the API license that developers had to purchase (and again I may have been putting words into Jim's mouth by assuming this is what he meant when he wrote that there were no 3rd Party Apps, as in essence if an application is licensed its not really 3rd Party per se, at least to my mind).

Good luck with your Ruby development.

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#12 Re: New phone
January 12, 2009, 10:12:48 pm
i was playing finger air hockey on an iphone the other day. NO BRAINER.  ;)

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#13 Re: New phone
January 12, 2009, 10:23:44 pm
i was playing finger air hockey on an iphone the other day. NO BRAINER.  ;)

Now thats cool, did you use it as the puck or the bat  :P

 

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