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Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 01:15:56 pm
Wondering what other people do when it comes to picking holds for stand starts? Obviously, some guidebooks or topos state the actual holds you have to use for some problems but what about the ones that basically say climb to the top?

The reason I ask is, in part, because I've been out and about with Ruth Jenkins' brother Paul a lot the last couple of years and he's a little like me, in that he never seems to go for the highest hold he can reach or the one slightly to the side if it looks like 'too good to use', even if it's easily in reach.
We went to Churnet on Sunday and put a mat under Rocket Ride. Paul ticked it after a fair few goes, spent mostly on working out his feet for his starting holds and I was glad to eventually end the day getting to the press, even if I was too achy fingered to use it by then. There was an obvious two fingered slopey hole all chalked up that was easily reachable but Paul automatically used a mono for his right hand that was lower down and a rubbish pebble for his left, also lower. Using the same right mono, I used an undercut pocket for my left that was maybe a metre below the easily reached obvious hold. Blue Circles at Anston is another one - I can't make out the circles, so the holds we used are lower than any video I've seen.

Looking at videos of Rocket Ride when we got back, everyone used the obvious higher hold (left or right handed) which makes the whole thing a fair bit easier we thought.

So what is 'standard practice'? Reach as high as you can? Seems daft I'm only asking this now but generally I've just used the holds of the person who's gone before me and if it's anyone, it's usually me that cries 'that can't be in'. Usually it's obvious where to start but after watching the videos of Rocket Ride - well, I can't help but feel Paul and myself are making things a lot harder for ourselves than need be.

It was a fun problem and I won't be changing how I do it low down, it's more of a general question.

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#1 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 01:33:23 pm
My general interpretation of rules are that if there are specific holds to start from then obviously start from them. But, if none are specified, use the best/most useful holds you can reach.

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#2 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 01:35:58 pm
When i grade new probs I do so based on the easiest option rather than the most aesthetic. This applies on stand or sit starts. If this ruins the problem by skipping good moves I do occasionally grade for starting on specified hold but this has to be clearly stated in the description. This seems like the fairest and clearest option. It can be annoying and or spoil probs when things are less clear.

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#3 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 02:58:12 pm
use the best/most useful holds you can reach.

So says the taller man  ;)

Thanks bonjoy - I was hoping for a reply from someone who puts up new problems. I suppose it is about fairness when it comes to the grade, whereas myself and Paul tend to fit as much as we can in within reason. At least I know what to do now if I actually wanna tick things.

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#4 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 03:29:00 pm
So says the taller man  ;)

heavier / weaker man.

Stubbers can stack a pad if need.

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#5 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 04:30:56 pm
So says the taller man  ;)

 stack a pad if need.

I think that's were my caution comes in when it comes to reaching as high as I can - how much foam is too much foam? I've only folded a very thin grivel pad once and felt instantly guilty  :unsure:

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#6 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 04:39:05 pm
I tend to suffer from "lankmonster's guilt" and usually start from the holds I can reach from an if-I-was-a-midget crouch.  Invariably, I later find that my struggles with some problems have been due to my trying to pull on using footholds that some idiot has heavily chalked....

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#7 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 04:51:47 pm
On the secret undocumented bouldering in the Frankenjura, you generally start on the holds where Heiko Queitsch has painted the little discreet dots.

Oops, cat's out of the bag now.

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#8 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 05:13:26 pm
Usually I use what I can reach from the floor off a single pad, but ultimately you have to be honest with yourself and if it feels too easy then it probably is. It's very problem specific.

The crux on rocket ride is the top move, by a mile (perhaps except for someone who is well over 6 ft), so where you start only makes a small difference and any starting holds are legit. It's a sandbag any way! :)
Ps. Concentrate on pulling left rather than up.

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#9 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 05:27:03 pm
I've only folded a very thin grivel pad once and felt instantly guilty  :unsure:

If the start is becoming more of an issue then it should be I'll happily stack pads to reach what anyone of average height would be able to reach.  Yet to lose any sleep about it.

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#10 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 05:29:54 pm
but ultimately you have to be honest with yourself

Agreed, even tho I'm starting to think myself and Paul are a little harsh with ourselves.

Paul did the top move third attempt but getting to the right hand hold below caused him the most issues, he'd disagree with the top being the crux and I guess he's 5ft 8in? Which goes to show that every problem fits people differently.

Cheers for the beta.

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#11 Re: Choosing the starting holds.
November 09, 2016, 05:32:48 pm
Which goes to show that every problem fits people differently.


...and that is why there is so much discussion about grades!

 

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