[Sloper]

No, but it's what you meant.

[lagerstarfish]

No, but it's what you meant.

patronizing cnut 

[Sloper]

I make an art form out of it. 

Did I type that slowly enough for you to read?

[slackline]

I make an art form out of it. 

Did I type that slowly enough for you to read?

But is that your intent, 'cause if so it ain't an art form.

[Sloper]

 

[Houdini]

What you homo's guys need is to be stripped of your relativism and go hunting w/ Lagers and I, naked, cock hot, in the woods after a week w/out food (or booze  ).

[magpie]

Oh, I know* people** who are doing that 4th plinth thing!  One is going to do science experiments in the middle of the night and make colourful explosions. 

As for the rest of the discussion, I got distracted by a shiny thing in the corner before I could fully work out what you were all on about.   

*vaguely, through cyberspace
**Internet weirdos

[Joepicalli]

This debate is dividing along the following lines: art as artist's intent (aesthetic intent) and art as expression of beauty. As such the debate is irresolvable. What also needs to be considered is craft; the ability of the artist to realise their vision. Thus beauty in art is not "pretty" or even well executed, but rather the appropriate use of the medium the artist has chosen to express his or her intent. The greater the integration between expression and medium: the closer the "conceptual" element of the art is to its physical manifestation (the piece of art): the better the art wheather you like it or not.
Taking Tracy Emine as an example, I thiought she was a YBA muppet until I saw her drawing at an exhibition in York. They were crap: but really interestingly crap (and they wern't really crap her use of line was just about perfect) in that trhey expressed the crapness of her life at the time she did them. I went inprepared to have a laugh and came out properly moved. All because of some crappy line drawings saying somthing about a crappy lfe.

[lagerstarfish]

What you homo's guys need is to be stripped of your relativism and go hunting w/ Lagers and I, naked, cock hot, in Attercliffe after a week w/out food (or booze  ).

Something which has absolutely no practical value, but which would induce some unique and very intense sensations.

see here for more details

[robertostallioni]

I'm in



Can I wear the mask?

[Palomides]

This debate is dividing along the following lines: art as artist's intent (aesthetic intent) and art as expression of beauty. As such the debate is irresolvable. What also needs to be considered is craft; the ability of the artist to realise their vision.

Doesn't that mean that if the artist's vision is a bit crap, then even if that vision is realised perfectly then the resulting work of art is going to be crap too?

Standing random people on a pillory for an hour each doesn't really strike me as the most fabulous vision ever. Mind you, I am unable to appreciate art without instructions.

[andy popp]

No, but it's what you meant.

No it isn't.

[Jaspersharpe]

Oh, I know* people** who are doing that 4th plinth thing!  One is going to do science experiments in the middle of the night and make colourful explosions. 

As for the rest of the discussion, I got distracted by a shiny thing in the corner before I could fully work out what you were all on about.   

*vaguely, through cyberspace
**Internet weirdos

*Insert Fiend joke here*

[Joepicalli]

This debate is dividing along the following lines: art as artist's intent (aesthetic intent) and art as expression of beauty. As such the debate is irresolvable. What also needs to be considered is craft; the ability of the artist to realise their vision.

Doesn't that mean that if the artist's vision is a bit crap, then even if that vision is realised perfectly then the resulting work of art is going to be crap too?

Standing random people on a pillory for an hour each doesn't really strike me as the most fabulous vision ever. Mind you, I am unable to appreciate art without instructions.

Yes, obviously there are bad artists who are great craftspeople.
With reference to the plinth thing: 1 Antony Gormley isn't a crap artist so anything he does at least deservs thinking about before being dismissed, 2 Consider the following scenario: the plinth thing goes on for as long as it is meant to with a random assortment of saddos and house mate wannabes until the last day when somone gets up and does or says somthing which perfectly encapsulates what the plinth thing means, makes sense of it (not likely but possible). The "work" then becomes a success, surely?
Rather than a work being crap because the vision was crap (which I am arguing doesn't make sense because you cannot simply make a vision / realisation divide), it always comes down to a dissonance between what the artist wants to say and how the medium chosen and the way it is used expresses it -  In art the choice of medium and its use are also part of what the artist wants to say: that's why artists dont just say stuff. (Unless of course they're writers... but that's a whole different argument.)

[lagerstarfish]