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the shizzle => shootin' the shit => Topic started by: Will Hunt on October 31, 2007, 05:18:56 pm
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This topic has been quite good over on UKC. Perhaps people here have some good suggestions as well?
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=266563&v=1
Which really good climbers never got into climbing household name status.
I put my vote for Andy Popp, Pete Chadwick, Phil Davidson (used to be famous but noone seems to know about him anymore) and Joe Healey.
Any more?
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Leigh McGinley.
Dr. Martin Crook & John Toombs (What a duo).
Ray Kay.
Crispin Waddy.
Jussi Remonen.
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I'll second the Ray Kay and add Skinny Dave.
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MAAAAARk Sharratt. He's great. Well he was on Saturday, when in an equestrian state of tranquility he returned from the bog to see someone trying to snog his girlfriend, so he punched him on the back of the head, when the guy turned around he punched him again and then again when the poor guy was going down. He then had an epiphany, and thought 'did I imagine that he was trying to snog her?' and so tried to shake the guys hand, but then it all had kicked off by then.....
Oh, and Mark Stokes and Nick Longland.
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i vote for myself 8)
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All the old school 80's limestone boys - Chris Plant, Quent etc...
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I'll vote for you if you vote for me ;D
Pick up a copy of the Power Of Climbing (which I have at hand) and a lot of the newer breed will not have heard of at least half of them, Tom Proctor, Phil Davidson (already mentioned I know), Nick Harms, Andy Goring, Ben Masterson, Dougie Hall, Malc Taylor to name but a few.
There are so many to mention from yonder year, but who today is out there getting the grades but keeping a little bit underground so to speak.
Oh, and Jasper Sharpe (The Graduate)... 8a+ at 15! Legend :great:
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All the old school 80's limestone boys - Chris Plant, Quent etc...
I second that, plant is so underated and still climbs well, Also what about zippy
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Phil Davidson, Nick Harms, Andy Goring, Ben Masterson, Dougie Hall, Malc Taylor.
Whoooooooooooo? :P
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MAAAAARk Sharratt. He's great. Well he was on Saturday, when in an equestrian state of tranquility he returned from the bog to see someone trying to snog his girlfriend, so he punched him on the back of the head, when the guy turned around he punched him again and then again when the poor guy was going down. He then had an epiphany, and thought 'did I imagine that he was trying to snog her?' and so tried to shake the guys hand, but then it all had kicked off by then.....
:lol:
If only UKB did the equivalent of the US High School yearbook....
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Moose Thomas
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Perry Hawkins.
Steve Mayers.
Hows about this then:
Geoff Turner!
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Pete Kirton (this is a bouldering site after all) - He was miles ahead in his day and only the oldies know a thing about him or have ever seen him climb.
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Yeah, a yearbook would be funny!
I think it would be a shame to have Kirton and not have Gawthorpe too.
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Hows about this then:
Geoff Turner!
Go on then, give us a clue?
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Pete Kirton (this is a bouldering site after all) - He was miles ahead in his day and only the oldies know a thing about him or have ever seen him climb.
Pete was at Cliffhanger in the audience, I had a natter with him and then mentioned to the Earl and a few others that Pete was around, amazingly Andy didn't know him (but knew of him of course) but virtually everyone else hadn't even heard of him. Pete is a living legend. My claim to fame is that I once out drank him.
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'ank...
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Andy de Klerk.
Edit: Just googled to see what he is up to and he has just released a book if anyone is interested?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharper-Edges-Stories-Beyond-Places/dp/1919938486/ref=wl_it_dp/026-9112134-1010835?ie=UTF8&coliid=I30NYBEVERMVV1&colid=1THQMIWU50QWA (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharper-Edges-Stories-Beyond-Places/dp/1919938486/ref=wl_it_dp/026-9112134-1010835?ie=UTF8&coliid=I30NYBEVERMVV1&colid=1THQMIWU50QWA)
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Ed Morgan.
hydraulic arms. even strong fingers.
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I put my vote for Andy Popp
me too, and also paul ingham - he's ancient, ugly and a true legend in his 5th decade of hard climbing
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Ian Cooksey...
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I don't think Welford has ever had the recognition he should have. Don't suppose he fits into this category as most punters may well know his name but for taking care of business at the limit of your ability (and just volume of hard shit done) I have never met anyone better. And I have climbed with some people who were quite good. ;)
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and i've been told by two seperate people now that YOU were the strongest out of the lot of them... :o
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I put my vote for Andy Popp
me too,
Me too.
Not surprisingly the UKC list was fucked and was more like great climbers who are actually quite well known, containing as it did such obscurities as Arthur Dolphin (there's a formidable moniker) and Ron Fawcett (I also got two votes- but actually from people I don't know/haven't been mates with for 25 years)
Houdini makes some great suggestions - but then Wales in the 80s was rammed with talent.
I'd mention Al himself (of course), Mark 'Face' MacGowan and Will Simm; and Simon Oaker, who never really got the chance to realize his greatness but had probably more potential than anyone else I've seen.
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I'd mention Will Simm.
Nice one, I'd put a vote in for Will too. A total bouldering legend in my opinion.
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From the one time I've climbed with Will at yours Andy, he struck me as the nicest guy around - a total beast on the board aged 61 (?).
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Mel, Mole of the Moelwyns, Griffiths.
Mick, the builder/plumber and sometime Heights landlord.
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(snicker)
Chris Davies
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Mel turned up at the crag the other day - said he'd just started climbing again. His second day out on rock; he warmed up on a 7b route, then disappeared off to look at a new E6 line. ;D
Mick Poignton - The winter climbing legend. The man is a tool wielding machine.
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That guy who turned up at the Henry Price wall on a bicycle and then did the whole f7c traverse there and back without a warmup! ;)
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That guy who turned up at the Henry Price wall on a bicycle and then did the whole f7c traverse there and back without a warmup! ;)
:lol:
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the kinder guide is full of them.
Nick Plishko??
The lancs guide too...
Who was the guy who racked up the E5s and E6s then took up marathon running?
Geoff Hibbert is no slouch.
lakes seems a bit of a backwater too - are the Phizackleas that famous?
And finally a mate of mine...
Martin Dale - a legend from Fleetwood.
(i thank you)
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Andy Popp - I voted for you on UKC and we have met in the past (several times, via Pete Chadwick, he who is known by most of the climbing community of the so far discovered world...).
Great but not famous - as Andi e correctly (for once) said - Hank Pasquill. Any who have done Constables Overhang will agree, but beyond that he was so far ahead of the pack at the time in Lancs. Visionary, truely visionary.
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Tim Clifford.
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I'd say Tim Clifford is fairly well known
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Hardly famous compared to dawes/moffat/moon/dunne/etc.
But aye, he's not exactly a mystery man :)
When does well known become famous?
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on second thoughts considering he's a brit and has climbed font 8b+ he isn't really that well known is he
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Andy Popp - I voted for you on UKC and we have met in the past (several times, via Pete Chadwick, he who is known by most of the climbing community of the so far discovered world...).
Great but not famous - as Andi e correctly (for once) said - Hank Pasquill. Any who have done Constables Overhang will agree, but beyond that he was so far ahead of the pack at the time in Lancs. Visionary, truely visionary.
Sorry Andy, of course we've met, I just couldn't remember who'd voted on UKC and didn't bother going back to look.
If we're talking Hank, Ray Evans, who climbed with him a lot, was meant to absolutely brilliant.
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Now were talking - my dad raves about the man. apparently refused to use chalk or anything other than big boots. take a look at the direct on the big groove for an example of his talent. good and brave.
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John Hart, The other lancashire John, Geoff Mann, Geoff Hibbert, Alan Hubbard...
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Nice, some real wads mentioned. To keep it on a bouldering theme, I've seen no mention of Jason Myers yet either on here or on UKC. Le Spectre 8b+ @ Buoux 3rd ascent anyone? Brad Pit, Westworld FA. Plus he fucking dynoed BP (nails!). Jason's Roof FA. Tried it yesterday, very futuristic line for the time, also very hard too. Plus he penned a great article about dynoing in an old OTE. Bona fide legend.
For routes, Matt Donnelly doing Mecca 8b+ aged fifteen has to be worth a mention.
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Oh, and for trad, I remember hearing some pretty inspiring stuff about Craig Parnaby. I did a few routes with a guy who used to climb with him, he said that he onsighted The Bells on North Stack one day in about 30 mins of no hesitation speed climbing, then did something else (either Conan or some Main cliff route, I can't remember. It was impressive anyway). Next day Heart of Gold Direct, Shittlegruber, Enchanted Broccoli Garden. Leading all pitches, totally onsight, and at a similar blistering pace. Pretty sure he did an early ascent of Requim, also Totally Wired 9, etc. etc. I couldn't go on because I don't know, but his mate could...
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what about huffy? true beast, and i bet no-one on cocktalk could even spell (or pronounce) his name let alone know who he is.
Obviously other ones like a certain sheffield climber who's name we're not supposed to mention (with recently fractured skull), sean myles, simon jones, and our very own nik at work.
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For routes, Matt Donnelly doing Mecca 8b+ aged fifteen has to be worth a mention.
Good shout. He's getting pretty strong again at the moment too. Or at least he seems to piss everyones lifetime projects down on the board, despite getting twatted the night before etc etc.
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Has Dolph been mentioned in this thread yet?
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He's too elusive to be mentioned. In fact, I heard he didn't exist.
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Matt Donnelly makes Gaskins look like a punter. He's even thinking of campusing walk away. An exageration perhaps but as Ben says he's back in action.
Can't remember the name of the guy who he used to crank with but apparently dispatched a good few fb 8a+'s in his time and quit out of boredom (I think went the story...?) One of the old edge posse maybe.
Dolph's still working out how to turn his computer back on since the last time he turned it off circa a month ago ;)
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Paul Higginson.
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"Sam from Blackpool" who's "getting close to Kaizen" I read somewhere...
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I think I was the only person to mention Will Perrin on UKC too.
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"Sam from Blackpool" who's "getting close to Kaizen" I read somewhere...
:lol: :lol:
Fantastic, that description pretty much epitomises the idea of "not famous". I mean we don't even know his name he's that famous.
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I nominate UKB's very own strong girl for having the whole of the peak wired.
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Jim (or is it Dave?) its supposed to be "Great but not famous", not "Famous but not great". :lol: ;)
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If we're not just talking about bouldering, how about Mike Owen? Ex strongest man in St Helens and now resident in some huge overhanging cave in the South of France. Bit of a Malham legend in the late eighties and early nineties.
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Mike Owen
And good at football too...
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Mike Owen
And good at football too...
(http://www.nice-climb.com/PhotosPhil/news/mikeowen.gif)
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:lol:
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There I was the other day thinking of great but not famous climbers who I've known over the years and into my head popped the name of Trevor Suddaby. And what do you know, he goes and posts on ukb! Remarkable.
I have to say I thought of a lot of other people before I got to Trev like ;D
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Al Murray
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(http://www.nice-climb.com/PhotosPhil/news/mikeowen.gif)
Great photo Serpico. That looks like the late lamented Merlin in the background? Oh yeah and Elaine's legs?
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Geoff Hibbert is no slouch.
And finally a mate of mine...
Martin Dale - a legend from Fleetwood.
Geoff is hilarious, so psyched and so noisy/expressive on the lead. He really fucking goes for it!
Martin is a star - taught me a lot when I was a youth. Great record collection too.
Did anybody mention Andy Mitchell - a real route chomping machine.
And how about Danny Cattell - although I suspect he is just about to become very famous.
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i had heard rumours of your blackpool connection.
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I lived there for a couple of years in the mid 80s. Spent a lot of time climbing in the Lancashire quarries and up in the Lakes.
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Great photo Serpico. That looks like the late lamented Merlin in the background? Oh yeah and Elaine's legs?
The photo is lifted from nice-climb.com so I'm not sure how old it is. It could be the new-ish dog Scamp.
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The photo is lifted from nice-climb.com so I'm not sure how old it is. It could be the new-ish dog Scamp.
Yeah, could be. The head of Mike looks a little older and wiser than when Merlin was around.
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If we're not just talking about bouldering, how about Mike Owen? Ex strongest man in St Helens and now resident in some huge overhanging cave in the South of France. Bit of a Malham legend in the late eighties and early nineties.
Good call Ben, there can't be many 50 year old Brits climbing 8b+. Mike has been cranking it out for years, bold E7 onsights as well.
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there can't be many 50 year old Brits climbing 8b+.
Just in case he's reading this... by my calculations, he's not fifty until next summer. Unless I'm getting confused with when he had his surprise fortieth party (but I'm sure I'm not).
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Dan Crammond strong lad on the Newcastle scene a few years ago haven't heard much of him lately though
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Dan Crammond strong lad on the Newcastle scene a few years ago haven't heard much of him lately though
My Newcastle "great but not famous" vote would go to Karl Telfer.
Hard routes on rock and ice for a very long time, and still going strong.
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Thats a good one Andy
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I'd third that.
Knows every hold on every route/problem and is still as strong as an ox.
Great bloke as well
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yeah good choice nice bloke and he's done shit loads
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Cliff Phillips,,,Where are you!
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there can't be many 50 year old Brits climbing 8b+.
Just in case he's reading this... by my calculations, he's not fifty until next summer. Unless I'm getting confused with when he had his surprise fortieth party (but I'm sure I'm not).
It was just a rough guess at Mike's age, so a year out ain't bad. Still a wad though.
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Martin Dale - a legend from Fleetwood.
We used to call him 'The Matador' - summat to do with his lycra, his locks, (shaved legs?) and the way he styled across the West View wall. I don't think he ever new.
We bumped into him on North Stack Wall once and on topping out I gesticulated to a mate who had just done a route around Britomartis by pointing down to Martin and making like a bull. Said mate didn't have a clue what I was on up to until he came across and The Matador topped out at which point we burst into a fit of schoolboy giggles under his withering gaze... :-[ Situational humour maybe ::)
I beleive this was the same day Andy F resolved to send The Cad and we bravely abbed in only to realise we didn't bring any ropes.... :whistle:
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Moo. You were on the ball with Dan Crammond. The strongest thing to come out of Newcastle by far. If he had just crimped a bit instead of openhanding everything he would have been world famous. Sadly through disillusionment and the fact that a mere mortal's body was always going to self-destruct when wheelding unworldly power, he was lost to climbing.
Bumped into his Mam a while back and although birded up he is back climbing. If he breeds with a tall, skinny bird the kids will be awesome!
Hope he's doing well.
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I beleive this was the same day Andy F resolved to send The Cad and we bravely abbed in only to realise we didn't bring any ropes.... :whistle:
You mean the day YOU forgot your rope, I remembered mine!
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Moo. You were on the ball with Dan Crammond. The strongest thing to come out of Newcastle by far. If he had just crimped a bit instead of openhanding everything he would have been world famous. Sadly through disillusionment and the fact that a mere mortal's body was always going to self-destruct when wheelding unworldly power, he was lost to climbing.
Bumped into his Mam a while back and although birded up he is back climbing. If he breeds with a tall, skinny bird the kids will be awesome!
Hope he's doing well.
He lives in sheffield now doesn't he and works at hrs? I used to train in the woodie (R.I.P.) with him a bit and he was still dismayingly strong, last time I spoke to him he was injured but building a board at home....
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I beleive this was the same day Andy F resolved to send The Cad and we bravely abbed in only to realise we didn't bring any ropes.... :whistle:
You mean the day YOU forgot your rope, I remembered mine!
What a relief that must have been. And somebody else to blame to boot. :)
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It was, after I'd done Green Gilbert (?) to get out and get the rope, the heavens opened. Which probably have been mid crux had I got on The Cad.
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How about :
Steve Rhodes - Strangeness was well ahead of its time and bold on the limestone
Chris Sowden - The Yorkshire rock Ferret
Martin Parker - As wide as he is Tall
Jim Purchon - pretty much ticked yorkshire
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Martin Parker is very very strong but is he a 'Great' climber?
No.
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danny cattel, dave buchanan,
older ones; pete gommersall, steve rhodes, tony mitchell, hank pasquil
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Dave Lyon.
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pete gomersall liveseys chipping partner.
how does that make someone great.