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the shizzle => shootin' the shit => two wheel spiel => Topic started by: Yossarian on April 28, 2007, 07:35:13 pm

Title: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 28, 2007, 07:35:13 pm
One or two members of this community have alluded to their fondness for, or at least their participation in a spot of road racing. I think Falling Down also suggested that one or two Wad Emeriti indulge from time to time.  Now, climbing and cycling are fairly complimentary, in the sense that they don't interfere with each other to any great extent, and you can (if you so wish) train for and/or take part in both on the same day/consecutive days, etc, etc without any particular problems.  What I don't get is how anyone could combine proper climbing and proper (ie - Cat 2 and above) road racing without either being a physiological freak or trust-funded full-timer.

Then again, there are plenty of things that I don't get that probably have perfectly rational explanations. It just strikes me that, based on my own experiences of road racing (which sadly consist of getting systematically dropped as soon as anyone decides to go extra fast up a hill) you can't let anything as ridiculous as trying to climb a bit of rock now and again get in the way of lycra-clad bum on saddle...

On a related subject, as I was trundling along this morning it struck me that if had an altercation with Carlos Sastre halfway up a hill and, in a fit of rage, cut one of his legs off with a chainsaw (making sure to cauterise the blood vessels, tie off the femoral artery, etc) he would still be able to ride up the hill considerably faster than me.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on April 29, 2007, 09:52:04 pm
i was a proud owner of a cat 2 licience when i started climbing again.sadly as the climbing improved instead of being able make moves, get in breaks etc..i was barely able to hang on the back of the bunch and as cycle racing is all about suffering who wants to spend two hours in pain just to make up the numbers.


i miss not shaving my legs tho.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on April 29, 2007, 10:55:41 pm
As has been noted you just can't do both - especially to Cat 2 level. The difference between a bit of MTBing with your mates and a Cat 2 racer must be huge. One aspect which is complimentary is the weight lost thro' a lot of riding.
Maybe now is a good time to out fatdoc as a recent purchaser of a beautiful Italian road machine. Next weekend marks the start of his descent into shavingdom
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on April 30, 2007, 08:39:22 am
i have entered this www.legbreaker.co.uk on july 22nd.81 very hilly miles and i'm led to belive quite a few old school rock athletes are doing it.so i'm trying to get some fitness so i don't get my ass kicked.
however last weeks sessions of interval training resulted in the fitness gain of a chest infection. :wall:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 30, 2007, 08:49:40 am
you b8tard....

it's true indeed... i'm v excited!!! :great:

although i would i need to make it clear that this will not detract from my main summer sport of freeriding. (aka goin to hospital once a month for stitches, xrays, CT scans, emergancy operations etc...)

i need some more fitness and a well dodgy foot prevents me from running, no excuses though - i'm looking at roadie lycra shorts at the mo... God, they've got a huge pad in!!! :jaw:


 and for this outing dolly has NO choice but to attend a sunday morning jump session at wharncliffe woods.... between us we'll have spare armour etc.... this is a rite of passage to the dark side for him... after all it's a small price to pay for a lycra bum partner over the summer months int it!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on April 30, 2007, 10:13:18 am
Freaks!

(http://men-in-spandex.com/assets/images/mis_logo_big_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 30, 2007, 11:00:04 am
after a prolonged bout of mountain biking i went through a stage of roadie denial, during which time i cultivated a kind of baggy short urban chic look. however, such costumes usually lead to much derision from the club cyclist fraternity, and it wasn't long before i had slipped back into the stretchy stuff... in fact, judging by my reaction to some poor guy yesterday (i saw his podgy silhouette in the distance, piddling up a hill on a very shiny merckx / full record combo, wearing big baggy shorts and, shock horror, a yellow jersey - this combination of crimes against cycling warranted a severe punishment. so, despite a dodgy knee and near total exhaustion at the hands of some skinny-armed sadists i had made the mistake of keeping up with all morning, i put both feet down and overtook him at such a rate that he may well have mistaken me for carl fogarty) i may have in fact become an upholder of tradition myself.

that legbreaker thing sounds tough...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on April 30, 2007, 11:33:03 am
as i have mentioned several times before the major crime in cycling fashion is long socks. :spank:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 30, 2007, 11:46:54 am
there is a guy locally with the wonderful name of granville bantick. he is in his 70s and rides the local time trials in a pair of knee length red and black striped socks...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on April 30, 2007, 02:28:44 pm
I've dabbled being a roadie, on old school 'racers', never gone the whole distance and bought a modern road bike and shaved my legs (I suspect it will be something I do more in my later years (next year I recon  :()  Yet I have been known to go on a few on road 'training rides' on my big heavy Kona.

One of my finest moments of recent years was one evening last summer, on my fully ladened Kona (lights, pump, big tyres, hairy legs etc etc) doing the 15mile round trip up Ringinglow Rd, Higgar, Millstone and back into Sheff past the Foxhouse. I was gaining on these two roadies all the way up the Ringinglow Road, they took a bit back down past Higgar then I passed them resting at the house on the corner. Shaved legs, lycra a-plenty and only about £7k worth of carbon-fibre between them! They did overtake me later but I was in sight of them all the way back to Shef. They didn't look too happy about it!  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on April 30, 2007, 03:19:01 pm
doing the 15mile round trip /quote]

thats not a trip thats a recovery ride. ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on April 30, 2007, 03:57:27 pm
thats not a trip thats a recovery ride. ;)

It's quite enough for an hour after work.  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on April 30, 2007, 04:25:56 pm
On a slightly different 'super fit' tack, BigPhil and I were up at High Neb on Sunday a couple of weeks ago (a very hot one) and got chatting to a guy waiting for a group of fell runners. They were just finishing a run past all 15 trig points in the Peak. 60miles, can't remember the height climbed but it was a lot, 15hrs. On a hot day.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Somebody's Fool on April 30, 2007, 06:49:05 pm
Those fell runners are C-R-A-Z-Y!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on April 30, 2007, 08:47:38 pm
just bought my first road bike and trying to build my 8yr old size legs into david beckham style beauties. am having on going dispute with lee 'lungs of lance amstrong' mcgill that me n lyrca do not go well together. i'm going for the baggy look. but i am wanting some padding - i think i saw baggy shorts with padding - that sounds  :great:

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One of my finest moments of recent years was one evening last summer, on my fully ladened Kona (lights, pump, big tyres, hairy legs etc etc) doing the 15mile round trip up Ringinglow Rd, Higgar, Millstone and back into Sheff past the Foxhouse.

this is my evening circuit - spot on. not been over taken by a mountain biker yet - but i'm sure it will happen.

i'm gearing up for the winnets (sp) pass attack on the thighs. :wall:
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 30, 2007, 09:05:21 pm
the leg debate in an interesting one. loads of cyclists are into doing weights, especially in the winter.  but there was a lengthy thread on cyclingforums in which noted cycling coach and sports scientist ric stern kept repeating that, unless you have a functional disability or want to be a track sprinter then time spent pushing weights with your legs is entirely a waste of time. something about it here - http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=strengthstern

that said, i'll see your beckham and raise you a hoy..

(http://81.137.246.130/chrishoy/SINGLEPHOTO1_files/weights0144.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 30, 2007, 09:12:06 pm
right,

this is getting so out of hand, havnt seen so much lycra talk since the catwalk in the early 90s...

(what have i got into... :o )

BTW, Dolly doesnt shave just his legs you know..... you'l have to ask which bit.. (not his head though)

on another note, where do i get those HUGE padded lycra shorts then??? ( you know the one's that make those thin roadies look like they've got codpieces on) as the saddle on my road beauty to be is like a fickin razor compared to a DH bike!!!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on April 30, 2007, 09:20:22 pm
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on another note, where do i get those HUGE padded lycra shorts then??? ( you know the one's that make those thin roadies look like they've got codpieces on)

i think what you and i need is some White "nobody makes me bleed my own blood" Goodman, Dodgeball style blow up lyrcas...  :goodidea:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 30, 2007, 09:37:06 pm
assos and castelli are both fairly good codpiece merchants.

the main difference you'll find on your road bike is that you actually sit down most of the time. you will also possibly discover than attempting manual wheelies is something best left to your off road machine...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 01, 2007, 08:24:32 am
on another note, where do i get those HUGE padded lycra shorts then??? ( you know the one's that make those thin roadies look like they've got codpieces on) as the saddle on my road beauty to be is like a fickin razor compared to a DH bike!!!



as you are new to the road game and you don't yet have a crutch which is the texture of elephant hide.you may be likely to develop saddle sores/cysts.the traditional way to deal with these is to place a veal steak down your shorts raw of course.i am reliably in formed that the steak makes a nice post ride meal being nicely tenderized.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on May 02, 2007, 02:57:20 pm
fashioned a DIY padded short through the use of a glove. didn't work to be honest. but kept the glove warm in case my hands got cold.
also progressed onto a v diff by extending my evening circuit to hathersage, baslow and then the hill of doom up past gardoms and up to owler bar.
i need reconstructive surgery on my legs. and groin.
onwards!
ab
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on May 02, 2007, 03:16:48 pm
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i am reliably in formed that the steak makes a nice post ride meal being nicely tenderized.

just make sure its your own steak and not someone elses eh..........
shaved roadie freaks the lot of you
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on May 02, 2007, 09:51:13 pm
Assos creme is the best for preventing arse rub ( I think there may be a more technical term)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 02, 2007, 10:07:49 pm
OK

due to italian and then UK bank holidays my new carbon weapon is yet to arrive... where do i get do i get the assos shorts from then???

i need all the arse protection i can get, after all i'll be riding with dolly ;)

- i'm geting a bit scared here-



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 03, 2007, 08:39:47 am
j.e.james in rotheram sell assos gear.i think they may have a shop in sheff as well.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 03, 2007, 09:06:48 am
by the way you are aware they are the price of a large bouldering mat.if you can't afford them cut a lump of foam out of an old mat and use that in stead.
the cost of the clothing i was wearing out on my bike yesterday was approx £450 :jaw:.
shoes £90
undershirt £15
shortsleeve top£30
long sleeve top£40
gillet£100
shorts£120
socks£5
helmet£50
then there is my oakleys.
cheap sport. ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 03, 2007, 10:57:26 am
i got some shorts out of the bargain bucket at condor for a tenner. they've actually lasted longer than i had expected.

i am particularly excited about the imminent arrival of my (nearly) new rolf wheels, which will mark my first foray into the mysterious world of tubular tyres. that said, the main reason for my investment is because they look nice...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on May 03, 2007, 11:27:11 am

shoes £90
undershirt £15
shortsleeve top£30
long sleeve top£40
gillet£100
shorts£120
socks£5
helmet£50

BUT

The cost of burning off someone on a more expensive bike on a hillclimb on a warm summer's evening : priceless
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 03, 2007, 11:29:29 am
tubular tyres! you must have money to burn or want a collection of rubber hoola hoops.

i tried to repair some of mine in the days before decent clinchers.about 4 hours to end up with something that you could only use in dire cicunstances.
i.e.you were too poor to buy another tyre.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 03, 2007, 12:13:21 pm
Well, judging by my rather sparse racing schedule I don't think that I'm going to be putting hundreds of miles on them. But the temptation of training with flash kit is a hard one to resist. I had a wonderful little fling with some bright yellow Veloflex tyres last summer, but it was just that - they only lasted a couple of months.

Fatdoc - so what exactly have you splashed the cash on?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 03, 2007, 01:47:57 pm
I had a wonderful little fling with some bright yellow Veloflex tyres last summer, but it was just that - they only lasted a couple of months.

i got given some of those when i riding for a sponsored team but they were so unreliable i bought Michelin's.

i just past a guy whilst out on a visit riding a nice shiny giant road bike.he was wearing baggy 3/4 leggins,black socks and a peak on his helmet.NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

i'd have run him over if i'd not been working.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 04, 2007, 09:32:08 am
My new baby is a Wilier Mortirolo, Veloce group.

http://www.wilierbikes.co.uk/wilier/index.php?itemID=mortiroloveloce&imgID=1&mcID=2

I'll be using SPds, cos i need to walk over 1/4 mile from secure lock up to office at work, plus I have some spare and they have a long float to try to save my knees!!. Otherwise it's just the shorts that i need, i'll cross over most of my old XC MTB gear for a bit till i can get some other gear... so the expense will at least be staggered!.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 04, 2007, 09:50:09 am
very nice.i got this italian stallion last year.http://www.evanscycles.com|product.jsp?=7043
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 04, 2007, 11:42:32 am
i was going to buy one of those wilier jobs cos i know the importers - i sell them furniture and they sell me bikes. they are by all accounts brilliant.

but i bought a litespeed frame instead...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on May 04, 2007, 11:50:01 am
So lets say I had an increasing interest in this club.. what would the UKB collective recommend as good first road bike? 

I'm based in the High Peak (Whaley/Chapel area) so would be doing lots of hills around the Peak... and say you had up to £750 to spend.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on May 04, 2007, 12:16:18 pm
you really can do no better than this fine steed:

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39744000/jpg/_39744227_chopper300.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on May 04, 2007, 12:17:21 pm
Get a mountain bike FD. Much more fun, excitement, adventure.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 04, 2007, 12:25:53 pm
unless you are big mates with your local bike shop owner who will give you lots of discount.i'd tend to go somewhere like an evans cycle store and look to get a last years model.these are usually in the sale.anything like a trek,cannondale,specialised,scott or my choice just on personal preference bianchi.
iv'e got one of these as my 2nd best bike bianchi via nirone 7 alu/carb ultegra usually retails at£900/1000 but iv'e seen them at £750.its a good bike and with better wheels i'd be happy to race on it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 04, 2007, 12:35:19 pm
my local bike shop guy has started selling felt and cube bikes. the former seem to be excellent value for money (i have a felt dirt jump bike which i got from evans and has been a delight) - felt do quite a lot in the £700 - £1000 range with really great spec.  like webbo says, previous year cannondales and treks and so on are often excellent value. the frames tend to be fairly similar 7005 aluminium affairs, so it's really a case of working out what size you need then shopping around.

i've recently become overcome with a desire to go all retro. i want a really really good condition 60s italian bike. something top spec and possibly with a bit of history. i found this in canada, but it's way too small:

(http://www.bikespecialties.com/images/bikesfs/bianchiroad48-760.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 04, 2007, 12:43:00 pm
shit if i'd only known there was a potential buyer for that old cycling junk the missus made take to the tip.

that bianchi may not be the genuine retro deal.as in the 70s they had green leather handle bar tape stitched in place.also that doesn't look like campagnolo equipment and back in the day no italian bike maker would have used foreign stuff.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on May 04, 2007, 12:50:20 pm
Get a mountain bike FD. Much more fun, excitement, adventure.

I already do... I have a Scott Genius MC-40.  A fantastic bike that I got at trade cost from Ian Pendry when he was the importer for Scott.  And I ride regularly....  (I had a Kona Cindercone for many years; since 1988 in fact before trading up to the Scott full susser)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on May 04, 2007, 12:52:41 pm
Webbo, I'm impressed with the kit list,and must admit to having never actually thought of how much it all adds up to. What shorts and gilet are you using £100 and £120 seem pretty damn pricey.  :)  
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on May 04, 2007, 12:56:13 pm
shit if i'd only known there was a potential buyer for that old cycling junk the missus made take to the tip.

that bianchi may not be the genuine retro deal.as in the 70s they had green leather handle bar tape stitched in place.also that doesn't look like campagnolo equipment and back in the day no italian bike maker would have used foreign stuff.

That sure looks like genuine Campag Super Record to me-in good condition too. Just the job for those retro sportif thingies!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on May 04, 2007, 12:57:17 pm
Thanks fella's - I do have a good relationship with a couple of bike shops nearby due to the MTB..

Chris - I'm looking for something to go straight out from the house on.  My knees aren't what they used to be and running is taking it out of them....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on May 04, 2007, 12:58:52 pm

My knees aren't what they used to be

What are they now? Know what you mean though, can't abide running anyway.

When you up again? next week? Take a peek at the charts.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on May 04, 2007, 01:08:45 pm
Busy week next week - Tuesday in Glasgow, Wednesday & Thursday in London, Friday in Holland...  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 04, 2007, 02:13:07 pm
Webbo, I'm impressed with the kit list,and must admit to having never actually thought of how much it all adds up to. What shorts and gilet are you using £100 and £120 seem pretty damn pricey.  :)  

assos what else is there 8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 04, 2007, 02:21:05 pm
gonna have to go mail order for me shorts.. not my size in LBS, may as well get a new top then as well!!! ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on May 04, 2007, 02:28:17 pm
Man, I'd have to be on a seriously good wage to get assos stuff   ;) How good is their clothing out of interest? I've been using impsport gear for the last 5 years and have been very impressed.....admittedly I don't pay full price (sponsorship) but even so. Its good gear and made in the UK.

Well the legs got the first shave of the year yesterday-bloody hell does it feel cold now. All I need now is some fitness.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on May 04, 2007, 02:30:05 pm
gonna have to go mail order for me shorts.. not my size in LBS, may as well get a new top then as well!!! ;D

This is were you want to buy from.....

http://impsport.com/cgi-bin/cart.cgi

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 04, 2007, 02:42:00 pm
god,

i'm so bloody weak minded...

shorts, jersey and  base layer..... bollocks my credit card bill will be huge next month!!!

i'll look good in red and black assos though!! ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 04, 2007, 02:52:13 pm
iv'e used other kit other than assos.but always found it is either poorly made or a shit fit.iv'e got some giordana stuff from when i was in a sponsored team which is ok quality wise but it appears to be made for 6ft stick insects.i had to cut the hems of the sleeves on the short sleeve tops to avoid gangrene due restricted blood flow.mind if i get it free i'll wear it even if it is shit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on May 04, 2007, 03:05:52 pm
Free kit always helps!  :great:

Interesting what you say about the restrictive cut. I used to fine some TAL skinsuits were awful around the armpit area, and I'm hardly big. The relief on taking it off was similar to removing rock shoes after a long hot route. Pure relief. The Alexa ones that went before were better but still not great. Thank god I moved teams.

Anyway, roll on the giro. I won't be betting on a win for Basso  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 04, 2007, 03:55:20 pm
that bianchi may not be the genuine retro deal.as in the 70s they had green leather handle bar tape stitched in place.also that doesn't look like campagnolo equipment and back in the day no italian bike maker would have used foreign stuff.

apparently:

Frame         Bianchi, 48cm. Columbus tubing. The celeste paint has a few minor scratches, the chrome on the crown, top-eyes and RH chainstay is as new.
Group         Campagnolo Super Record, complete
Freewheel         Regina Oro six speed and Regina chain
Pedals         Campagnolo Super Leggeri
Handlebars         TTT bars with Bianchi engraved stem
Saddle         Selle Italia Turbo with Bianchi lettering
Rims         Ambrosia Montreal
Tires         Tubular

I want one. I will then drink a gallon of brandy, chuck down a few grams of speed and go and have a crack at the Stelvio. Wearing a silk shirt and woollen shorts with a prime ribeye tucked under my arse.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on May 04, 2007, 04:42:56 pm
Any of you guys ever bonked?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 04, 2007, 04:51:23 pm
[blushing] i was young, she was not so young, i thought it was love, she thought it wasn't all that...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on May 04, 2007, 06:18:58 pm
i'll look good in red and black assos though!! ;D

This is obviously some new meaning of the word "good"  :P
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on May 04, 2007, 07:12:05 pm
Any of you guys ever bonked?

Yep, bigtime! What fun  :wall:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 04, 2007, 07:16:04 pm
i'll look good in red and black assos though!! ;D

This is obviously some new meaning of the word "good"  :P

at least it not a BIB

yes, BIB

that you sir, are most foul, own!!! :jaw:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on May 04, 2007, 07:25:50 pm

 :guilty:

I do still own a bib, but to be fair i haven't actually worn it for quite some time....mainly because of the piss-taking i would get from you and fatboy  :)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on May 05, 2007, 09:46:12 am
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haven't actually worn it for quite some time
you see now theres the rub..........we learn from our mistakes.
However, Jon, you seem to be doing it in reverse........going toward lycra:not away from it
its just one step away from this
(http://pics9.erosboutique.com/costumes-lycra-cop01.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 05, 2007, 10:35:46 am
how often i have i ever learned from my mistakes??

esp. in biking... what am i up to now?? 20 visits to hospital, a week or so of hosser food, 1 operation, 1 CT scan, no sorry: 2 CT scans, and dozens of xrays.. plus the odd stitch, various scars and most disturbingly you dressed in that suit demanding your foul and wicked pleasures.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on May 05, 2007, 07:05:22 pm
I spent the last couple of days shopping around and ended going up over my original budget somewhat and have ended up with one of these lovely machines.  The guy at my local shop in Whaley who I've used for years did me a great deal.

(http://www.vscycles.co.uk/kuota/images/kuota-khama.jpg)

A Kuota Kharma from http://www.kuota.it/english.html (http://www.kuota.it/english.html)

It's an absolute pleasure to ride but I haven't got mine yet - it should be here by next weekend.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 05, 2007, 08:34:23 pm
Another convert. This is getting scary - I feel a bit like David Koresh...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 08, 2007, 08:31:01 am
yes i keep hearing of more converts by the day.i got an e.mail from the team leader of yorkshire grit bouldering mountain bike squad to say he'd bought a road bike yesterday.
conversation at the crag these days is all round wheels,tyre choice and "is it worth paying £100 for a saddle to save a 100 grams" 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on May 08, 2007, 10:04:59 am
why yoss..?

got a meth factory up and running over at ranch apocalypse?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on May 08, 2007, 10:10:49 am
The Branch Yossarian stronghold is getting stocked with firearms as we speak.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on May 08, 2007, 10:25:58 am
"is it worth paying £100 for a saddle to save a 100 grams"

No it's not, have a shit instead.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on May 08, 2007, 10:34:54 am
So great, Bubba!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 08, 2007, 12:58:41 pm
"is it worth paying £100 for a saddle to save a 100 grams"

No it's not, have a shit instead.

thats a coincidence as thats the same reply as i got at the time. :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Somebody's Fool on May 08, 2007, 03:58:06 pm
What if you were to spend the extra £100 and have a shit?  Not only would your saddle and person be lighter, but your wallet would as well.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 08, 2007, 08:58:54 pm
My pride and joy to be is still in a crate somewhere in europe..... i'm not happy - as is my credit card from the colour matching assos kit that i seem to have impulse bought  :'(

i just wanna get hot and bothered under some swiss lycra!!!


and lose the 1/2 a stone over i'm currently packing!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 10, 2007, 07:52:56 am
and lose the 1/2 a stone over i'm currently packing!!

The Yossarian Diet
1) Eat some pineapple, a bread roll and some crap Vietnamese coffee for breakfast.
2) 2 SIS energy bars for lunch.
3) Mystery meat and noodles for dinner.
4) Ride 521 miles.

I lost nearly a stone...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on May 10, 2007, 09:25:40 am
went to military circuits last night at hilsborough leisure centre - nice - and there were a few freshly shaved legs (of the men variety) leaping around. in fact they looked considerably more shaved than the majority of the lady folk from that end of town. anyway, i can only deduce that by shaving legs you get fitter. as they whipped my ass.
shaving is not too far away.
ab
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on May 10, 2007, 10:19:08 am
it's when you let the razor travel up past the thigh that the interest begins
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 11, 2007, 08:40:14 am
  Now, climbing and cycling are fairly complimentary, in the sense that they don't interfere with each other to any great extent, and you can (if you so wish) train for and/or take part in both on the same day/consecutive days, etc, etc without any particular problems.  What I don't get is how anyone could combine proper climbing and proper (ie - Cat 2 and above) road racing without either being a physiological freak or trust-funded full-timer.

although not in the strictly road racing category.the grey monster from york completed the german ironman last year whilst still bouldering around 7c/7c+.went out with him on sat to bridestones and he already spent an hour doing hill sprints{running}then 40 minutes recovery riding on the turbo trainer.he works full time as well but doesn't have a t.v. so maybe thats the secret.

he does shave his legs however but claims he really does have a regular massarge. so he needs to. :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on May 11, 2007, 02:57:04 pm
pr0n to shave one's legs by:

(http://www.parker-international.co.uk/productimages/fullsize/LookJalebert.jpg)

look frames: clean, the adjective that always springs to mind

parkers (http://www.parker-international.co.uk/) also selling off assos gear in their sale
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 11, 2007, 03:46:23 pm
(http://www.fearandloathinginladakh.com/images/DSC00014.jpg)

where's that razor?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: andy_e on May 11, 2007, 08:30:00 pm
 :o

Any less metal on these bikes and they could realistically be marketed as paperclips.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 14, 2007, 08:26:02 am
(http://www.fearandloathinginladakh.com/images/DSC00014.jpg)

where's that razor?

due to global warming i have been able to go for a ride without wearing tights or leg warmers.however when i glance at my unshaven legs it just looks so wrong.on saturday i had the misfortune to get pissed on when out riding.well if there is one thing worse than hairy legs its wet hairy legs.


dearest can i borrow your leg waxing kit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on May 15, 2007, 03:00:37 pm
does the yellow make you go faster? looks awesome.
when did massive oversized tube frames go out of fashion? i seem to remember my mtb chums havin big stylee phat tubes.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 15, 2007, 05:13:18 pm
they did. they were tiny narrow 20mm tyres. and they only lasted a few weeks. but they were lovely...

my new red and yellow tufo tubulars are beautiful, but i am having serious problems fitting them onto my rims.

that sounds quite erotic.

big tubes? my old cannondale had big tubes. the litespeed has much slimmer tubes, but they are all profiled - the seatstays are teardrop shaped, the top tube is vaguely oval, and the downtube has a diamondish shaped section.

some of the new carbon bikes have quite phat bits. the wilier centos and le rois seem to have pretty big headtubes. and the specialized tarmacs are beefy too.

pity they can't find one to fit boonen. i understand he rides an aluminium framed thing that some italian bloke knocked up out of m5 aluminium. he appears to ride quite an odd geometry though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 15, 2007, 07:32:03 pm
thats because he {boonan} has a bad back so he needs a longer top tube than standard so they are having to make a new mold for a carbon frame for him and that takes time.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on June 18, 2007, 11:49:17 am
Right you lycra gaylords this is what you want.....

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r277/lucianthebison/misc019.jpg)

 embrocation and a new bic razor for guessing the location
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on June 18, 2007, 01:17:02 pm
Looks like the trig point at Lost Lad/Derwent Tor....


Nice looking bike!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on June 18, 2007, 01:29:12 pm
Looks like the trig point at Lost Lad/Derwent Tor....


Nice looking bike!



nope, saddle rash and garish team jumper coming your way(hang on. you roadies actually enjoy that type of thing!)
For spoddy gits, note the titanium spring on the shock....saves all of 150grms
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 18, 2007, 02:19:23 pm
looks like crossfell which was as grey and pissing down as your photo when i was there.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on June 18, 2007, 02:24:46 pm

For spoddy gits, note the titanium spring on the shock....saves all of 150grms

Should get one for my bike. Would bring the weight down to 99.85 kg. Plus I would still be shit at riding it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on June 18, 2007, 02:38:25 pm
looks like crossfell which was as grey and pissing down as your photo when i was there.
nope, award yourself a sniff of fatdocs post ride chamois
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 18, 2007, 08:16:40 pm
Bloody hell Lucien....I've got more mud on my Litespeed than you've got on that heavy tractor/bike machine of yours. Is it new, or are you particularly fastidious when it comes to bicycle hygiene?
Oh, and first rule of road bike club.... Don't wax you're legs if your hair is curly - nasty ingrowing hairs and a rash of boils will surely follow. Give me the blade any day!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on June 18, 2007, 08:31:35 pm
Quote
I've got more mud on my Litespeed than you've got on that heavy tractor/bike machine of yours. Is it new, or are you particularly fastidious when it comes to bicycle hygiene?
Its fairly new but the track up to that trig is very rocky and not muddy and it was pissing down thus cleaning the bike a bit....also that is not my heaviest bike that is awarded to my proper downhill bike coming in at a tad under 48lbs(front wheel weight including disk and inner tube somewhere near to 7.5lbs) My turner in the picture is around 35lbs, unfortunately the tyres are 2.4" super sticky beasts that suck up any energy on anything even remotely similar to a road......well thats my excuse.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 19, 2007, 08:25:43 am
slimfast is the epitome of the fair weather MTBer - a total mud shy faggot!!!

hence the gleeming (and admittedly very bling) Ti spring equiped free ride bike in all it's glory on the summit of snowdon
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 19, 2007, 08:29:03 am
My steed weighs in at a hefty 16.5 pounds - probably about the same weight as one the wheels on FBSF's bike. Must be tiring pushing that thing all the way up a hill..... ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 19, 2007, 12:24:16 pm
slimfast is the epitome of the fair weather MTBer - a total mud shy faggot!!!

Pot. Kettle. Black.

;) :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on June 19, 2007, 12:46:59 pm
(http://www.fearandloathinginladakh.com/images/simon2sml.jpg)

unfortunately the tyres are 2.4" super sticky beasts that suck up any energy on anything even remotely similar to a road......well thats my excuse.

they were 2.5s - not exactly normal touring spec. then again, i didn't get any punctures.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 19, 2007, 01:05:12 pm
I run dual sidewalled 2.7" on my downhill bike with extra thick downhill tubes - you can guess it's not very good for XC  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on June 19, 2007, 04:17:21 pm
Right you lycra gaylords this is what you want.....

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r277/lucianthebison/misc019.jpg)

 embrocation and a new bic razor for guessing the location

Gaylords???

Hardtail, hardtail, hardtail
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on June 19, 2007, 04:39:55 pm
speaking of hardtails...

(http://fearandloathinginladakh.com/images/DSC00003.jpg)

this is my recently completed street (jump) bike. jump in brackets because i am rubbish at jumping.

i think it is jinxed though - every time i ride it i seem to injure myself in a new and painful way.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 19, 2007, 05:16:10 pm
Mmmm hardtails :)

This is my semi-completed Santa Cruz Chameleon, which I recently broke 2 fingers falling off :)

(http://ukbouldering.com/media/images/cham01.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on June 19, 2007, 05:56:06 pm
And this is what you should be doing on it, not going to work !!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1429/570543055_b791accb22_m.jpg)

.. and that is a hardtail to keep it relevant.

5 karma points for spotting where it is?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on June 19, 2007, 05:57:42 pm
Mmmm hardtails :)

This is my semi-completed Santa Cruz Chameleon, which I recently broke 2 fingers falling off :)


i like your hubs. are they part of the victoria beckham signature collection?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 19, 2007, 07:01:35 pm

They're chavtastic :)

Actually look quite nice in the flesh.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 19, 2007, 07:19:13 pm
And this is what you should be doing on it, not going to work !!

Give me some money then :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on June 19, 2007, 07:34:09 pm
So just out of curiosity; how many of us on this thread have actually been climbing or bouldering in the last four weeks? I'm a bit ashamed to say I haven't as I've either been surfing, road-biking or MTB'ing for the last six at least... I just can't seem to find the time to sustain any climbing with work pressures and the bikes allow me that two or three hour blowout that takes all day with climbing and I've been away loads at weekends at the coast :-[
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 19, 2007, 07:53:17 pm
Managed a little bouldering on the grit, but normally after an early morning ride and a days work at the wall. Its really hard to sustain a decent level at more than one sport and hold down a job. I currently need to be bouldering fit so I can work setting comps - got British champs and an International in France to set in the next 8 weeks. Then I need to get the miles in on my road bike to prepare for the sportives I booked on to in a bizarre moment months ago when I thought the summer would be a quiet period for me - next one being the British Etape in 2 weeks. And then we accidentally decided to build another Climbing Works in Bristol which will write off any spare time I thought I had when I wasn't working full-time in the Sheffield Works.

Its currently very hard to get motivated at six thirty on a sunday morning to pack in an extra 40 miles ride onto my commute to work, but I'm pushing on in the hope that somebody is on the brink of inventing the 400 hour week to give me the extra time to sleep! I still seem to be getting fitter for cycling so it gives me a bit of extra psych to get out of bed when I really just want to curl back up in my pit. I think being a mentalist helps too :wave:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 19, 2007, 09:07:02 pm
iv'e been managing to boulder 3 times a week 2 indoor sessions and 1 outdoor.plus biking 3 times aweek usually 2 shortish interval sessions and 1 3 to 4 hour staminia effort.however sometimes i find i have to replace one bike ride with drinking lots of red wine in order to cope. :alky:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on June 20, 2007, 07:34:21 am
Biking sunday, bouldered last night, will bike tonight(probably DJ sesh) weather permitting
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on June 20, 2007, 07:52:45 am
Been indoors once a week for the last three weeks, nothing outdoors. Worst start to a climbing season for ages. Weather has been absolutely shocking. Not even been out on bike. Saw the film about Graeme Obree last night, does that count?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 20, 2007, 08:40:11 am
slimfast is the epitome of the fair weather MTBer - a total mud shy faggot!!!

Pot. Kettle. Black.

;) :lol:

i'll have you know that i'm even getting my roadbike wet these days, as the initial fear of wet slippy roads receeds... commute most days now and get a few miles in at the weekend...

on the mtb side i've always been up for a ride / slide around in the clart... though it is does get a bit remoralising cleaning a full susser every time you ride!!

Norton... that single track is not in the portes de soleil... so it's up near cham then n'est pa??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on June 20, 2007, 08:48:34 am
And this is what you should be doing on it, not going to work !!

Give me some money then :)

Free guiding in the Alps for you dude  :beer1:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on June 20, 2007, 08:49:29 am
slimfast is the epitome of the fair weather MTBer - a total mud shy faggot!!!

Pot. Kettle. Black.

;) :lol:

i'll have you know that i'm even getting my roadbike wet these days, as the initial fear of wet slippy roads receeds... commute most days now and get a few miles in at the weekend...

on the mtb side i've always been up for a ride / slide around in the clart... though it is does get a bit remoralising cleaning a full susser every time you ride!!

Norton... that single track is not in the portes de soleil... so it's up near cham then n'est pa??
Not too far from Cham .....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on June 20, 2007, 06:02:16 pm
Yossarian, Bubba.  Do they pay you guys in bars of gold for the work you do.  I get pleased with myself when i get the first new bike ive had in 12 yers and you go flashing the bling - some people.  I suppose they arent your only bikes eh?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 20, 2007, 06:22:45 pm

You're fucking joking - i earn fuck all at the moment. Took me about 3 months to scrounge and cobble together the bits for the hardtail, and my DH bike is only a Big Hit which are pretty el cheapo :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 21, 2007, 08:12:58 am
having no money is no excuse for not having a good bike.sell the kids,wife or even yourself.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on June 21, 2007, 02:01:19 pm
I bought the Litespeed frame and forks secondhand, and rebuilt it with the bits off my 12 year old Cannondale. I got the Whyte 46 cheap cos I know the guys who run the operation - a nice mutual back scratching arrangement.  The jump bike I got quite cheap as a previous years model, then set about pimping it. Those Fox 36 forks came via ebay from some bloke in Taiwan new and boxed - I reckon he works at the factory and pinched them.

I am in the process of deciding whether I should buy a heavier duty freeride bike.  I will almost certainly pay for that via a pay a deposit now, sell my girlfriend into slavery this time next year scheme.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 21, 2007, 04:27:33 pm
Leg shavers pr0n can be found here - www.poshbikes.com

A pair of road wheels that weigh 870 grams - 2 grand please!

We can but dream.......
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on June 22, 2007, 09:20:40 am
i was going to buy one of those ax lightness saddles from poshbikes. then i pinched myself and woke up. besides, i would feel very guilty abandoning my marco pantani embroidered flite. the little chap with the funny ears has been a fine companion through much pain and suffering. admittedly, he was responsible for some of the worst pain and suffering. after 8 hours in the vietnamese rain perched on his rock hard contours we became blood brothers.

i do find it quite amusing that the marco saddle generates such glee amongst my fellow cyclists. i don't think an "I love Ben Johnson" t-shirt and matching trainers would go down particularly well at the athletics track...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 22, 2007, 09:34:38 am


i do find it quite amusing that the marco saddle generates such glee amongst my fellow cyclists. i don't think an "I love Ben Johnson" t-shirt and matching trainers would go down particularly well at the athletics track...

however my floyd landis signature scrotum sack gets nothing but derision.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on June 22, 2007, 10:10:50 am
I'm a happy man this morning having just added a mountain bike to my collection. Can't say as I thought that I'd get into mtbing but the temptation of more kit and getting away from the traffic finally won me over. One day I'm sure that the wife will twig that some of the bike haven't been ridden for......well lets not go there! Besides the optimum number of bikes is X+1 (where X is the number of bikes you already own).

Trying to training for one sport is hard enough to fit in timewise. I find that riding to and from work is the only way to really get the miles in without totally letting go of the climbing fitness (such that it is).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on June 22, 2007, 10:31:31 am
good point. still, floyd isn't quite the marketing man's dream that the pirate was.  i mean, can you imagine...

Floyd's Testosto-Steak - Packed full of all your favourite hormones

Landis Legal Services - Sporting scandals our speciality

LeMond Bicycles present the Floyd Landis signature model, complete with Fault-EE brakes, BROKN Forks and Auto-Greasing rims
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: marty on June 22, 2007, 11:03:46 pm
nice steed luce. Our Si is selling his downhiller after another tumble - shagged his knee...... Not quite upto the break leaver in his leg, but close.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on June 23, 2007, 12:17:49 pm
Quote
Our Si is selling his downhiller after another tumble
Ive heard, spoke to him other week week! might be passing your way soon on way to the northern coast, will give you a shout if near.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 23, 2007, 02:08:54 pm
Besides the optimum number of bikes is X+1 (where X is the number of bikes you already own).

You are a wise man - this is very true :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: marty on June 24, 2007, 10:45:28 am
fbsf, we are off to Germany on 5th July until 23rd - other than that we shd be around for the rest of the summer.

If you fancy a stop off on your way ooop north let me know. We are about half an hour from the trossach for bouldering, and there's a fair bit of biking to go at aswell.
~ 4-5 hours from sheffield.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on June 24, 2007, 04:29:11 pm
After just 6 weeks months of road bike ownership I've definately caught the bug - I really love it.  Last night I did my neighbours hill training circuit around Chinley/Hayfield/Sparrowpit and it was f*cking murder but I enjoyed every minute.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on June 26, 2007, 01:07:58 pm
Was just doing that lunchtime surfing thing and found this for the leg shavers amongst you ...

http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html (http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html)

 :shrug:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: AndyR on June 26, 2007, 04:39:02 pm
Was just doing that lunchtime surfing thing and found this for the leg shavers amongst you ...

http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html (http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html)

 :shrug:
Did you scroll to the bottom?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 26, 2007, 06:40:03 pm
only after i took my chain apart :wall:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on June 27, 2007, 10:29:40 am
yarp   :P
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 02, 2007, 01:26:44 pm
Seeing as the climbing season has finished for the year (possibly for ever as we reach the end of the world....!) I did the British Cyclosportive yesterday. Interesting riding a tour stage - albeit one of the flat stages. Lots of shaved legs there though, I can tell you. Never seen so many nice bikes, as 5000 of the keenist roadies in the country got their pride and joy all mucky in the shitty weather. Good fun, but pretty full-on riding 127 miles into 20mph headwinds. Anyway, I made it, and have no enthusiasm for sitting back on my bike currently - sore arse doesn't begin to describe! The computer on my bike reckons I used 5500 calories up during the ride. Imagine doing that everyday for the next 21 days - maximum respect to the tour riders.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on July 02, 2007, 02:18:58 pm
Going to be at Glentress on the 21st if anyone is around. I think we will be mostly doing the red circuit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on July 02, 2007, 02:50:23 pm
Good effort Percy...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 02, 2007, 05:40:58 pm
good effort Percy, my arse has yet to be conditioned to take that amount of abuse...


BTW, any MTBers on here up for the www.avalanchetrophy.com in scotland this august? I've entered (though not heard back from the organisers as yet), and have yet to find anyone else willing to undergo the obvious discomfort and exhaustion the event will dole out.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 02, 2007, 05:48:40 pm
good effort Percy, my arse has yet to be conditioned to take that amount of abuse...

Thought your school days would have seen to that  :P
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 02, 2007, 06:07:04 pm
i'm not the only privately educated one on here though am I Bubs...?

more worryingly is surviving a week with you in morzine :shag:   ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 02, 2007, 06:10:32 pm
Seeing as the climbing season has finished for the year (possibly for ever as we reach the end of the world....!) I did the British Cyclosportive yesterday. Interesting riding a tour stage - albeit one of the flat stages. Lots of shaved legs there though, I can tell you. Never seen so many nice bikes, as 5000 of the keenist roadies in the country got their pride and joy all mucky in the shitty weather. Good fun, but pretty full-on riding 127 miles into 20mph headwinds. Anyway, I made it, and have no enthusiasm for sitting back on my bike currently - sore arse doesn't begin to describe! The computer on my bike reckons I used 5500 calories up during the ride. Imagine doing that everyday for the next 21 days - maximum respect to the tour riders.

did you ride the hill up into goudhurst in the big ring though?! i have ridden up and down that road (through to tenterden and beyond) more times than i care to remember...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 02, 2007, 06:15:33 pm
i'm not the only privately educated one on here though am I Bubs...?
I was only a day boy tho - you were a full on boarding, fagging gimp :)

more worryingly is surviving a week with you in morzine :shag:   ;)
I used chloroform - you just never woke up  :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 02, 2007, 06:20:54 pm
but evening hrs only sex has never stopped you so far!!!

I used those sedatives that we *forced you* to take that night on the piss - you squweeeeeeled like a pig buoy.... like a pig buoy...
 :jaw:




and then we all had a go....



nice.







er... actually not really. God this weather is so bloody awful i'm getting entertained by this drivel... heaven help me.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 02, 2007, 08:38:56 pm
did you ride the hill up into goudhurst in the big ring though?!

this is a more risque question than the faggoty stuff from the public school punters above. :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 02, 2007, 08:42:25 pm

did you ride the hill up into goudhurst in the big ring though?! i have ridden up and down that road (through to tenterden and beyond) more times than i care to remember...

Seeing as most of my training for cycling involves riding up long drags in the Peak, or even longer drags in the alps, i simply took delight in dropping into the 39 ring and plodding up the lumps in Kent, whilst all the big ring heroes sprinted most of the way up the hills then died at the top as I pootled past them at my own pace. My golden rule is never get out of the saddle unless its really frigging steep (ie:Winnats Pass!) I particularly enjoyed watching one unfortunate soul chundering in the hedgerow at the top of one of the hills!

Webbo - I am not a 'big ring hero' - excuse the unfortunate doulde entendre. I can't vouch for either Bubba or Fatdoc though..... from previous posts on this thread my suspicions would be that both possess a big ring reminiscent of a 'Wizards Sleeve'
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 03, 2007, 07:58:49 am
My golden rule is never get out of the saddle unless its really frigging steep (ie:Winnats Pass!)

when i first started cycling i was informed an englishman never leaves the saddle,it is ungentlemanly to do so.maybe thats why we've never had a tour winner.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on July 03, 2007, 08:57:10 am

BTW, any MTBers on here up for the www.avalanchetrophy.com in scotland this august? I've entered (though not heard back from the organisers as yet), and have yet to find anyone else willing to undergo the obvious discomfort and exhaustion the event will dole out.

Don't know about one in Scotland but a lot of my mountain biking mates are descending en masse on Alpe d'Huez for the Mega Avalanche. Looks like mayhem. I suspect they will be doing it as they the Strathpuffer and that kind of silliness.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 03, 2007, 09:17:15 am
when i first started cycling i was informed an englishman never leaves the saddle,it is ungentlemanly to do so.maybe thats why we've never had a tour winner.

Too true. I still don't feel like the saddle has left me yet, let alone me leave the saddle. Me arse bones are traumatised :spank:
That Megavalance stuff looks mental. Sod Alp d'Huez - I'd fancy the Reunion one. There's some very big and impressive mountains on that particular tropical paradise - £500 return to fly from Manchester via Paris Orly...... Then there's the beaches, surfing, bouldering, rum, local 'herbal remedies', parapenting, diving, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 03, 2007, 12:11:52 pm
the wizards sleeve gaff was amusing i'll give you that perc...

The reunion thingie looks the bollocks.. i'm thinkin of doing the weeks long holiday there - for my 40th in a couple of years...

the avalacnche trophy is DH timed runs, but NO uplift  :o, and fixed times to get up the hills (or your out!), so it's FR or big XC bike only!!! sounds a right larf.. as i have never ridden in scotland i know i'll not do well - but it's keepin me focused. I've decided to train for it by doing 100 miles+ a week on my road bike. I know you guys crank that off in a morning, but for me that's really not bad!

now then; anyone doing the etapecalidonia?? that's my big roadie goal, but for me next year... sportive, closed roads, with full support!! sounds v good to me!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on July 03, 2007, 12:20:14 pm
Don't think Innerleithen is any different to anywhere else in the UK, it's not proper Scotland anyway, so no massive hills. Mates are not sure if they are doing it, will let you know if they are, in case misery seeks company.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 03, 2007, 12:40:32 pm
Defo on for the Etape Caladonia next year - hope I can get a place...they are rarer than rocking horse shit. Might do a couple more sportives this year if I can find the time. The ones here - www.kilotogo.com seem cheap and cheerful, don't have any really nasty climbs and cover some nice ground. Then there's the Fred Whitton and the White Rose next year to get a place on too, not to mention a crack at the Etape or the Marmotte if I can find time time and the legs are up to it....
Problem with a lot of British sportives is the fact that the roads aren't closed so it can be a bit spicy at times.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on July 03, 2007, 01:52:02 pm
White Rose is great - did it last year. Very well organised. No closed roads, but hardly any traffic TBH apart from the obvious main roads.
I'd have to say that the Welsh Autumn Epic was the best tho'. I found it very hard on both years I've done it, but its great riding
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: LucyB on July 03, 2007, 01:53:44 pm
Defo on for the Etape Caladonia next year - hope I can get a place...they are rarer than rocking horse shit. Might do a couple more sportives this year if I can find the time. 

 ??? :(

I used to have a boyfriend....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: David S on July 03, 2007, 03:15:03 pm
Hope you got a nice soft rubber ring for him to sit on Lucy  Poor lad was walking a bit funny today. :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on July 03, 2007, 06:27:02 pm
i like to stay in the saddle until that particular muscle group stops working then get out until that muscle group stops working, sit down until....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 04, 2007, 09:21:45 am
god...

i need more miles in... i'm getting well giddy for this sportive stuff... it's months till the grit will be cold and chee dale is just a tad damp for a few weeks me thinks
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 04, 2007, 10:35:57 am
i like to stay in the saddle until that particular muscle group stops working then get out until that muscle group stops working, sit down until....
i usually find that sitting or standing depends on how hard the git whose wheel your trying to hang on to is going.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on July 04, 2007, 05:57:06 pm
they are usually out of sight and anyway, i dont try too hard, my tyres are knobbly.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 04, 2007, 06:10:42 pm

I hope all you leg shavers ride about 3 abreast at all times just to fuck off the rest of the road-using public?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on July 04, 2007, 09:23:37 pm
like us fit mtb boys overtaking you ....      :spam:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 05, 2007, 10:09:51 am

I hope all you leg shavers ride about 3 abreast at all times just to fuck off the rest of the road-using public?

2 abrest is legal.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 05, 2007, 11:16:09 am
so will be 120 next sunday.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 05, 2007, 03:14:56 pm
2 abrest is legal.

I'm sure it is, but recourse to the law won't really help you when that 38 tonner comes round a corner and turns you to mush :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on July 05, 2007, 06:58:18 pm
you saying you aim for them bubba  :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 05, 2007, 07:09:04 pm

Oh fuck yeah, of course. You don't even feel a bump in a big truck.

I nearly ran into a group 2 or 3 wide on my mobike once. I think it's pretty retarded that people will defend their right to ride 2 abreast even round blind corners where the national speed limit applies, but hey, it's their lookout.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 05, 2007, 08:23:38 pm
Nearly been taken out by bikers on the Baslow to Owler Bar road many a time riding on my own - bikers using ALL the road on bends to get a good line....would be a very messy accident being hit by a Fire Blade coming towards you at 150mph! I don't ever ride 2 abreast if there's any traffic - too many twats around, and you'll always loose an altercation with any other road users if you're on a bicycle.

So, as way of illustration, here's a tale by way of warning. I'm riding my push-bike up said hill towards Owler Bar one Saturday afternoon a few weeks ago, minding my own business. As I pass under Gardoms North I think to myself - not much traffic around today... The reason for the quietness quickly became aparent as I noticed the blue flashing lights on the top of the hill - road accident and the police had closed the road at the Baslow end after I'd passed. So nothing left for me to do but cycle on through the debris of what happens when two bikers clip each other whilst racing. The emergency services were there sorting stuff out, so all I could do was pick my way through the various bits of wreckage all over the road whilst trying not to look at the injured parties - both in a right state. Particularly memorable only because amongst the wreckage on the road was somebodies dismembered lower leg (severed at the knee), complete with boot still on!

Sorry to get all heavy, Bubs, but cyclists are among the most vunerable road users. Riding two abreast is legal, but not advisable because of all the other intolerant/irresponsible twats using the roads. Especially when bikers/truckers/car drivers are so intolerant of cyclists.
Getting nailed by careless drivers isn't the only worry for the leg-shaving fraternity. There was a recent case down south (Essex, strangely!) of redneck chav tossers stopping their Saxo and battering a cyclist who was wearing lycra shorts 'cos they thought he was gay!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 05, 2007, 09:23:53 pm

Nice! Owler Bar has long been a bike racetrack and i've even nearly dispatched myself there once on a bike.

Anyway, we agree - it's not advisable to ride 2 abreast, that's my point.

FWIW when i'm in a lorry i'm extremely careful around cyclists - I believe most cyclist deaths involve LGVs but not certain if that's still the case. Are most road users that intolerant? I guess i can only speak for myself.

The issue of other traffic (and that of our appalling road-surface quality) is the main reason I've never been interested in pursuing road cycling. If i lived somewhere with little traffic and nice smooth roads then I can imagine it being fun. Here, i think it's better to be as far away from the road as possible on a pushbike.



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on July 05, 2007, 09:29:07 pm
Even when riding alone, it is argued that cyclists should ride in the middle of their lane. Especially in slow traffic in town. If you ride in the gutter, other road users tend to ignore you completely and not move over an inch when passing, very dangerous especially from trucks/buses etc. If you ride in the centre of the lane cars have to over take you as if you were another car. Also riding in the gutter leads to sudden swerves to miss drains/potholes/pedestrians stepping off the curb etc all of which means you swing out into the path of cars.

What especially riles me is riding fast in traffic which keeps stopping at lights, and cars feel they have to over take you even if the lights are on red and only 100ft away! I especially like re-overtaking them in the line of traffic. The other day a bus passed me with inches to spare then immediately cut me up pulling into a bus stop! Knocking on the drivers window hard was little revenge but didn't half make him jump  :)

I also get pretty pissed off when driving with cyclists riding badly/with no lights at night/ mainly cause I don't particularly want to kill someone, but also because they give other cyclists a bad rep. Whilst we are at it, what is it that makes teenagers think they are immune from getting run over?! The arrogance of them when crossing the road is amazing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 05, 2007, 09:34:13 pm
Knocking on the drivers window hard was little revenge but didn't half make him jump  :)
I tend to use a good hard slap on the roof :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 05, 2007, 09:38:04 pm
All good points. There are good motorists and bad motorists - good cyclists and bad cyclists. I agree that cyclists should behave when riding on the road and remember that the highway code applies to them too. People riding through red lights, on pavements, no lights at night,etc, etc. give everybody a bad name.
There are quiet roads and good road surfaces in the UK - its just finding them simultaneously thats a rarity! A trip to France and a few alpine cols normally makes it seem much more worthwhile, I always think!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 06, 2007, 10:20:58 am
 :agree:

gonna be a little while before i've the legs to get the most out a trip abroad though :(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: erm, sam on July 06, 2007, 11:22:26 am
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I tend to use a good hard slap on the roof

The last time I did this to a car, the car stopped, the driver got out went behind his seat for something, and then started chasing me down the street with said weapon. I was on foot and with girlfriend and so was a tad concerned. When I realised he was brandishing a pair of pliars I didn't know wether to be more or less worried....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: David S on July 06, 2007, 11:26:26 am
Happened to me once, more than a few years ago, when a group of pushbikers were riding 4 abreast would you believe up the Froggatt road and going slowly thus holding the traffic up. Every time a car managed to get past and pipped their horn in disgust they gave the car driver the two finger salute. Now I'm not one to get upset when I drive around but I thought this was a liitle out of order. So when it came my turn to go past I wound down the passenger window and told the naughty pushbikers what I thought of their selfish and innappropriate behaviour to which one of the group decided to bang on the roof of my car. Well I was taken aback. :o After all I was just pointing out the error of their ways and offering a little safety advice. So what to do next? Surely they need a more sterner talking to so in the interest of road safety I slammed on the brakes, got out and twatted the bloke who banged on the roof to see how he liked it. Needless to say he learnt a valuable lesson. Me, well I managed to get away by the skin of my teeth without getting beaten by his 8 mates :-[
I learn't a lesson that day, just keep driving  :lol:

Road rage is a very bad thing and now I'm fully in control, AREN'T I? >:(


Disclaimer: I used to ride a bike around on the roads but stopped 'cause it was far too dangerous.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: dave on July 06, 2007, 12:06:42 pm
it really fucks me off when people ride bikes on the pavement. The number of times walking to work when I've nearly been killed some cunt on a bike flying round a blind corner on a fenced-in pavement (where you've got no-where to move), or bombing down a road where people step out of shop entrances takes the piss. I shit you not i've seen incidents where if there had been a child or old person on the pavement they would have certainly been brown bread or at the very least left quadraspazzed on a life glug.

If i was driving along in the car, coming up to a roundabout that i thought might be tricky to negotiate and I decided instead to drive across a pedestrian crossing and on the pavement, mowing down pedestrians to avoid the junction then I'd expect to get fucked down on to the full extent of the law. yet apparently if you're on a bike its alright. you can't even report the incident cos pushbikes don't any any plates.

And don't get me started on suicyclists at night with no lights or whatever. I nearly drove right into some guy a while back near ringinglow. I'm not fucking wit you when i say he was on a black bike, dressed head to foot in black and with no lights or reflectors (or helmet), and it was pitch black. Its a good job i wasn't cutting my fingernails or playing a game of trivial pursuit on my lap, i might have seriously dented the bonet.

Lets hope the dickhead cyclists out there are in the minority.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on July 06, 2007, 12:14:46 pm
 :agree: with most of whats been said so far. In my view, usage of the roads is all about being safe and considerate to other road users regardless of their mode of transport. Nobody has greater importance on the roads than anyone  else. Mind you, I do find it odd that motorists feel unduly inconvienienced by having to wait to overtake a cyclist, when they seem to cause almost all of the congestion. I too, like Obi, ride out away from the kerb. Its definately safer.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on July 06, 2007, 12:25:58 pm
Knocking on the drivers window hard was little revenge but didn't half make him jump  :)
I tend to use a good hard slap on the roof :)


I recently resorted to slapping the bonnet of a taxi that pulled out and almost hit me as I was cycling along West Street, wearing a nice bright green jacket that only the colour blind could miss.

I was in between the tram-tracks as I was passing one of the platforms and whilst perfectly competent enough to ride down such a narrow strip I don't trust passing cars not to try and squeeze past.

The taxi driver took quite an exception, and without stopping, wound down his window, shaking his fist saying that next time I'd get thumped.  My response was simply that next time there would be no need to thump me as I'd likely be under his wheels.  Through all of this he was only half-watching the road, which was rather disconcerting as he kept on swerving towards the side of the road.

Took his license number and reported it to the Council licensing peeps who interviewed him.  Obviously he made no admission of having done anything wrong, and presumably believes that I go around slapping cars willy-nilly.  Apparently his shouting and ranting wasn't meant as a warning as had it been a younger more aggressive(!!!) driver I could have got thumped, and he really had my best interests at heart!!!!  If only he'd shown such care and attention when pulling onto the road.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on July 06, 2007, 12:45:23 pm
What is it with Bus lanes in sheffield? Its like a battle ground, I cycle at least 2 or 3 times a week into work (near the foundry) from woodseats and to avoid the big three lane roundabout i go via the town centre. I was down near the Poly the other day and a bus pulled out whilst I was passing it.I was pushed out into the normal car lane by my handlebar stcuk against the bus side. The bus zoomed off and I being the passive easy going fella that I am ,sprinted after him and got alongside him and started berating him. He told me to fuck off and accelerated away. I was having none of this and tried to catch him up, the fucker then pulled in as close as he could to the kerb to stop me catching up again. At this point i was really angry so went round him and caught up at the crucible theatre where i dumped my bike infront of the bus and started explaining why he was an f&c and that if he would like to get out of his cab we could discuss his actions further :wank:
Anyway, its nice to think if he had run me over he would possibly get a small fine if he killed me
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on July 06, 2007, 01:10:10 pm


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I nearly drove right into some guy a while back near ringinglow. I'm not fucking wit you when i say he was on a black bike, dressed head to foot in black and with no lights or reflectors (or helmet), and it was pitch black. Its a good job i wasn't cutting my fingernails or playing a game of trivial pursuit on my lap, i might have seriously dented the bonet.

Lets hope the dickhead cyclists out there are in the minority.

Wow man, you nearly ran over the ninja rider of sheffield.  he's famous for riding all the footpaths in the peak - that's who leaves all the tyre tracks - and cracking his cranks on rocks and scarring them like at the top of burbage south and stanage.  you should have reported this sighting to the feds and they could have got their parky police on their mtb's to chase him down.  I'm sure he must be top of their wanted list.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 06, 2007, 01:18:54 pm
check this...

stationary, fuckin stationary, well to the side of the road, new carbon bike (my little cutie)

and i still get hit off the bike by some bint lighting a fag, putting on her makeup and not fucking looking where she is going,

her car was worth about the same is the bike - which was thankfully unscathed.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 06, 2007, 02:10:06 pm
I was on foot and with girlfriend and so was a tad concerned. When I realised he was brandishing a pair of pliars I didn't know wether to be more or less worried....

He was going to havoc your nips  :lol:

Only bang the car when your escape route is clear....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 06, 2007, 03:17:49 pm
Every time a car managed to get past and pipped their horn in disgust they gave the car driver the two finger salute. Now I'm not one to get upset  when I drive around but I thought this was a liitle out of order. So when it came my turn to go past I wound down the passenger window and told the naughty pushbikers what I thought of their selfish and innappropriate behaviour to which one of the group decided to bang on the roof of my car.

 :lol: Dave, are you sure it was you driving? Last time I was in a car with you my ears were bleeding from the volume of your ranting at other road users! Not to mention the V-flicking, fist shaking, etc, etc. Rarely are the words Simmonite and road rage NOT used in the same sentence....!!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Paz on July 06, 2007, 05:28:02 pm
Red lights?  I don't even look at the light, I look to see if it's safe.  I actually get confused when it's green and people give me priority. 

even round blind corners where the national speed limit applies

I don't know if you're being sarky, but just because a national speed limit applies doesn't mean it's safe to drive at it.  You drive at the speed at which it's safe to stop in the distance you can see to be clear. 

I went over a blind brow in a 40 (at 40, in that Village on the way to Rubicon, in a car, if they'd've kept going right I'd've swerved round them) and crashed head on into a young family turing right on the other side.  In my defence I wan't breaking the lnmiit, and Kim or Strawberry had just gone over before me at speed (I always fuck myself up in a car following someone), but plainly I shouldn't have been going that fast over a blind brow. 

I especially like re-overtaking them in the line of traffic.

Which side do you over take them on?  I've tried going on the outside but except on wide roads and the delineated bridge over the docks it's pretty scary.  I prefer to undertake, or jump on to the path...

it really fucks me off when people ride bikes on the pavement.

It really fucks me off when pedestrians walk in the middle of cycle lanes!  Cars don't look to see if anything's coming before they pull through them either, especially Taxis (are all these guys a bunch of wankers or is it just me?).  I general I'm more than aware of pedestrians because I've fallen off enough times avoiding them, and ride what in a way that is safe for everyone yet as fast as possible.  I heard a complaint on Richard and Judy or something about cyclist's being horrible, spitting and that at old women in cars.  But I ask you:  who nearly killed who?  Who's in charge of the dangerous (i.e. heavy) vehicle and nearly of insufficient mental faculty to be trusted with it?

I won't single out Simmo's violence here given we're all 'fessing up but (given the 40 example above, myself in the past included) some car drivers really do completely disengage their brain about what is safe worrying about what is legal.  Even given other's safety may not be the first thing on someone's mind who's protected by seat belt and airbag, money isn't either.  Once a guy was belting round a road in heavy rain at night really fast and had to stop quick sharp to avoid hitting us.  Now fair enough it was a one way street and if I'd have been knocked down that would be my fault hands down.  I thought I could probaly survive suburban speeds and my bike didn't cost me anything - I was piss wet and just wanted to get inside ASAP.  I tried to make the point that he should maybe like to take more care of his 20 thousand pound pimped up crystal glass elevator by not driving it around at break neck speeds at night over standing water, but when I did this by twanging his ariel to show how vulnerable his car was, all his mates got out cos they thought I'd really trashed his car.  Thank fuck I'd done nowt and the rain took the fight out of them - they drove off.  I like the tap on the roof idea but I think this is the best retaliation against cars (if you've got an escape route and it's not full of neds) and maybe even buses:  Smash a wing mirror.  I've heard of this being done effectively against a posh bird in a Merc who cut someone up, and you know, motorized metallic finish wing mirrors are surprisngly expensive these days and insurance excesses and premiums are unfairly high these days too. 

So anyway: one way streets do not apply to me on a bike.  They were invented because cars and trucks are like really fucking wide, and bikes especially racers are like really fucking narrow.  Even on normal streets that are parked double cars seem to think I can get by with 24'' of space (I'm maybe 20", or something).  What's the world coming too when I can't cycle down wider one way streets, or the one way street next to the one I live on to get home? 

Cars and Trucks are raping the world we live in and many people who drive them are forcing the health costs of their sedentary couch potatoe lifestyles on all of us.  On my bike I'm tired and no I'm not going to stop if I can help it, cos then I have to get going again (besides the fact that my brake's not that good it's safer to swerve). 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 06, 2007, 05:59:14 pm
I don't know if you're being sarky, but just because a national speed limit applies doesn't mean it's safe to drive at it.  You drive at the speed at which it's safe to stop in the distance you can see to be clear.
I didn't say it was safe to do so. But there are plenty drivers out there who will drive too fast for conditions and so will still splatter you on your bike. Whether or not the driver is in the wrong is irrelevant when you're dead.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Paz on July 06, 2007, 06:20:55 pm
True.  I'm not recommending cycling two a breast, but I'm not saying they should watch out for cyclist's in particular.  There could be anyhting round that blind bend, someone broken down, I've had to swerve for a fallen tree (in a car) before, or indeed a small family car turning right across you.  It's probably futile to look for logic in the actions of knobheads, but you can't help but ask why the fuck they do that when it's an accident waiting to happen?  If they thought about it, then they'd hopefully realise it just isn't worth it, but that's probably the point that they just have not (like I had not) thought of that. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 06, 2007, 08:13:19 pm
out with boys one winter sunday,pretty hardcore day 80 miles+.coming back into town this guy in car cuts us up so one the guys garry bangs on his roof when we stop at a set of traffic lights.at the next set of lights he jumps out and grabs howard who hasn't seen the previous incident and has no idea whats going on other than some bloke has grabbed him by the throat.
in hull cycling circles howard is a legend in his own lunch time and not too well known for restaint.needless to say we pedal off  with a man laid in the road by his car, engine running door wide open. :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 06, 2007, 08:20:16 pm
riding fast in a group has got to be one of the best cycling sensations (as well as freshly shaved thigh against lycra / 10 sec plus manual wheelie / unwrapping and eating mars bar while riding raleigh grifter no-handed) and i am quite happy with riding 2 abreast in a big group. as a driver, i'd prefer to overtake 15 riders if they were 2 across rather than in single file. that said, if i'm on a narrow road in a group i would tend to try to string it out a bit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: David S on July 08, 2007, 02:45:00 pm
I won't single out Simmo's violence here given we're all 'fessing up but


Hey Paz, the only reason I got pissed off was the fact that these guys were openly taking the piss. Laughing and joking about the fact they were holding up the traffic and actually spreading themselves across the road as soon as it was possible for anyone to overtake. Basically giveing cyclists a bad name and being a bunch of t*$ts. Anyway it was a long time and having been knocked off a bke by someone pulling out without looking, I give cyclists a bit more respect. But it doesn't mean that the odd dickhead doesn't still piss you off.

And Percy I don't have any idea what your talking about, must be confusing me with someone else ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on July 09, 2007, 05:56:44 pm
riding fast in a group has got to be one of the best cycling sensations (as well as freshly shaved thigh against lycra / 10 sec plus manual wheelie / unwrapping and eating mars bar while riding raleigh grifter no-handed) and i am quite happy with riding 2 abreast in a big group. as a driver, i'd prefer to overtake 15 riders if they were 2 across rather than in single file. that said, if i'm on a narrow road in a group i would tend to try to string it out a bit.

Tell that to the guys who went down  on the way into ghent today!!!

And i saw a guy manual all the way down the hill past the jet station in crookes - well over 10 secs.  it was well...erm...brown.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: GCW on July 09, 2007, 06:16:06 pm
Hands up- I ain't a serious cyclist.  A bike gets me from A to B when I need it, but I'm not a big fan of riding on the streets.
Commuting on a motorbike everyday most of what you guys say rings true.  I'd like to think I watch out for shaven-legged, lycra-clad road (ab)users both on the bike and when driving, but I know how dim many car drivers are.  Plenty of near misses to talk of but (touch wood) nothing serious.

Nowt but respect for your cojones, but you guys are crazy!!!   :lol:
Stay safe.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 10, 2007, 12:24:08 pm

And i saw a guy manual all the way down the hill past the jet station in crookes - well over 10 secs.  it was well...erm...brown.

i once interviewed a guy who had managed to wheelie all the way from notting hill gate tube to marble arch without stopping. pedalling of course, but a fine achievement nonetheless.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dude on July 10, 2007, 04:05:09 pm
Due to my fucked wrist, i've been looking  for a road bike for the past month. Living in S10 I decided a compact geat set is needed (50/34) and being a Yorkshireman I am looking for some kind of good deal! )I.e last years model etc, this is proving very difficult to get a bargain with a compact. I did nearly get 2006 Ribble, but they ran out of compacts, so if anyone knows of any bargains, or is selling a 52-54 with compact, I'd be grateful ;D.
Yours .....a tight skint bastard!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on July 10, 2007, 08:22:56 pm
Not compact but 39 with a 27 (at least) on the back
Dolan Prefissio frame, ITM carbon/ alu bars
Ritchey adjustable stem
Carbon forks and seat post
Campag xenon 9 speed
Hand built wheels on Italian rims
Look pedals

All black - looks great. 18 months old. Haven't got any pics, but fatdoc has seen it and will vouch for the fact it looks the biz. PM me if want more details/interested
S8 so not that far away
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 10, 2007, 11:17:55 pm
i once interviewed a guy who had managed to wheelie all the way from notting hill gate tube to marble arch without stopping. pedalling of course, but a fine achievement nonetheless.

American Kurt Osborn has wheelied from coast to coast, obviously with breaks as it's quite a long way. The longest continuous wheelie i can find a record of him doing is 11 hours :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 11, 2007, 09:39:39 am
fuck me dolly, what you selling that one for???

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 11, 2007, 10:01:28 am
Due to my fucked wrist, i've been looking  for a road bike for the past month. Living in S10 I decided a compact geat set is needed (50/34) and being a Yorkshireman I am looking for some kind of good deal! )I.e last years model etc, this is proving very difficult to get a bargain with a compact. I did nearly get 2006 Ribble, but they ran out of compacts, so if anyone knows of any bargains, or is selling a 52-54 with compact, I'd be grateful ;D.
Yours .....a tight skint bastard!
i bought a bike with a compact 50/36 but after a mate suggested i went the whole hog and should just get an electric scooter instead.i changed it for 53/39. :-[
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 11, 2007, 12:08:52 pm
50 / 34 for me...

i cant climb, and i'm proud!! (that makes 2 sports before anyone else says it)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 11, 2007, 12:20:38 pm
with 50/34 you've no excuses i.e"well if i'd got a 34 inner ring then it would be....................."
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on July 11, 2007, 12:27:15 pm
... a compact ...

isn't that one of those tins your gran carries round to powde her nose ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 11, 2007, 12:46:29 pm
very similar and the implication is you need to be a granny to have one on your bike. :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on July 11, 2007, 03:01:17 pm
fuck me dolly, what you selling that one for???


Decided I only need one black framed Dolan really. This is the other black Dolan - not the one I went out on the other day
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on July 11, 2007, 03:13:04 pm
very similar and the implication is you need to be a granny to have one on your bike. :whistle:

Perhaps that's where the term 'granny ring' comes from  :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: andy_e on July 11, 2007, 03:28:13 pm
And i saw a guy manual all the way down the hill past the jet station in crookes - well over 10 secs.  it was well...erm...brown.

Are we talking skateboard manuals here? I've done way over 10 secs, fuck knows how far i've gone in terms of metres but my longest was probably the entire length of stratford-upon-avon skatepark.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dude on July 11, 2007, 04:12:30 pm
Cheers, I'll PM you, but really after a 34/50 dude.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 11, 2007, 11:43:01 pm
50 / 34 for me...

i cant climb, and i'm proud!! (that makes 2 sports before anyone else says it)


dear me. when i went to vietnam i stuck a 13-29 cassette on, but left the 53/39 on the front. and i managed to pedal over the hai van pass, with a 30l saddlebag and a handlebar bag full of assorted crap.

(my knee did semi disintegrate that evening though)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 12, 2007, 10:28:29 am
my knees are fine  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on July 17, 2007, 02:31:29 pm
Mate of mine who commutes by bike to work has one of these to make his presence known to drivers.

http://www.bonthronebikes.co.uk/391-18591-11 (http://www.bonthronebikes.co.uk/391-18591-11)

It's amazingly effective, as loud as any car horn, and rechargeable with a bike pump.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on July 17, 2007, 04:23:41 pm
I WANT one of those! Looks well weapon.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on July 17, 2007, 04:28:53 pm
Now we just need an air powered EMP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse) to shut down their stezzers/UV tubes/sat navs etc etc
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on July 18, 2007, 08:15:28 am
Wouldn't that knacker your MP3 Player and bike computer too?

How cool to have one that just operated in a 1m radius though? Would do driver's (and mechanic's) head in.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 18, 2007, 08:20:32 am
are any of you boys doing this on sunday.http://www.legbreaker.co.uk.there appears to be one or two peak heroes of the past doing it.there are places left for those of you wanting to give your shiney new carbon/titanium steeds a run out.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 23, 2007, 10:48:22 am
How was it Webbo? Enough climbing for you? Didn't enter this year - to knackered after a frantic couple of weeks work. Thinking about doing the Ridgeway Rumble in a couple of weeks though for a giggle - details on www.kilotogo.com
Might have got all the water out of my frame by then...... frigging weather!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 23, 2007, 11:17:31 am
i did'nt realise you could get tarmac to stick to things that steep.i was pretty battered at the finish,i probably went too hard early on but i got abit carried away jumping from group to group.i also had to walk twice going up to the flash inn.i was over geared with my 39x27 that will teach me to take the piss out of compacts.finished in 6hrs7mins which given the longest ride i've done in 5 years is about 4hrs i did'nt think was too bad.
its well worth doing if your up to it but its relentlus and the down hills are that steep and technical you don't recover much.it well sign posted which was just as well as the only time i knew where i was by gibb tor and newstones/back of the roaches.   
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 23, 2007, 11:50:16 am
Aye - never diss the compact.... I've tried to avoid them for as long as possible and might have finally found a solution by swapping my 39 ring for a 38. Means I can leave my 53 on but makes  life just that little bit easier on the really steep hills. Might even splash out and get a 12-27 cassette for the hillier sportives - my 12-25 still makes it tough going once the gradient goes towards 20%
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: erm, sam on July 29, 2007, 05:53:44 pm
Its not exactly leg shaving territory but I did my first triathlon today. It was a little one, 400m swim 20km bike and 5km run, but I was not untrepidous. Anyway, it was ace. It took me 1hr 17 and I really enjoyed it. The best bit was being over taken by peeps (a lot of 'em) during the bike stage but then over taking them back as they suffered during the running. Well, over taking some of them back.
I'm trying to find another one to do before the season is out, but the only one I can find has the swim section in a canal with wetsuits and a mass start (the one I just did was in an outdoor swimming pool with group starts). Might be a bit of a step up me thinks...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 30, 2007, 12:05:48 am
right then.
i dont feel i know enough to get involved in a cycling forum, so i wanted to ask a few questions here if that is ok??

im looking to spend pref under 600quids on a bike. to a) ride to work on b) ride to boulderuk on c) go out for rides at the weekend d) maybe think about doing a tri with my brother.

i live in preston so i am inclined to buy a Ribble. (i can go in and get a propper effort to have the bike fit well). is this a good move? for my money it seems that i will get an aloy frame with carbon forks. i dont know about the components, what should i look out for?

i have seen other deals on the web tho. will i get a better deal this way? how do i size the bike?
e.g. http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360026040

i like this one (ace paint): http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360030986

plus on wiggle you can get 50quid of free stuff so i could get some boss pedals.

all advice welcome!

ta, chapstick

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 30, 2007, 08:29:36 am
if you've only got £600 to spend.then i would spend £550 on a good bike and £50 on a bike for work and going down the wall.if you leave a good bike anywhere in town no matter how good your lock it will get nicked.
ribble cycles are pretty hard to beat spec wise.the other option is to look at places selling off last years models.evans cycles usually has a lot of deals.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 30, 2007, 08:40:31 am
the focus you looked at gets good reviews in cycling weekly.their website has down loadable bike reviews.also cycling plus magazine does reviews in price ranges i.e best bike under £1000 etc.i've got a few at home i will look to see if there is anything in the ones i've got.for the life of me i can't remember how you size a bike.log on the cycling weekly forum and i'm sure you'll get a few suggestions.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 30, 2007, 09:17:34 am
thanks webbo. no need to worry about parking the bike, at school i have space in my stockroom inside my own classroom and at BUK ian will let me bring it in..i would'nt even give it two mins outside there!
ill check out those sites, was looking at evans before, they have some Bianchi bikes that seem alot more affordable than i imagined they would be. i think that i will go into an evans to get sized up, then search the net, i would feel a bit cheeky doing it in ribble then not buying from them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 30, 2007, 09:30:15 am
i rate bianchi,i currently own 2.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 30, 2007, 10:13:43 am
yeah, it seems to me the way to go. the biggest name, with the best spec for the least money. plus in evans i will be able to blag some free stuff. and their bikes look ace in the mint green... :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 30, 2007, 10:40:03 am
do you work at a school.my mate in york takes the kids mountain biking.he managed to get a load of bikes and tools at discount from evans.he himself gets 30% off even on sale stuff.you could try a bit of blagging.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on July 30, 2007, 11:16:02 am
If your going to be riding to work then you might be able to take advantage of the governments Cycle to Work Initiative (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/sustainable/cycling/cycletoworkschemeimplementat5732?page=1) which allows you to buy a bike up to  £1000 under a salary sacrifice scheme tax-free.  See the link for more detail and ask at work if theres anything in place.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 30, 2007, 11:57:57 am
do you work at a school.my mate in york takes the kids mountain biking.he managed to get a load of bikes and tools at discount from evans.he himself gets 30% off even on sale stuff.you could try a bit of blagging.

yeah, geography teacher. this sounds like a good start. thanks for the heads up, ill ask them tomorrow when i go in. cheers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: moose on July 30, 2007, 01:26:22 pm
Sorry about the partial hijack but I have a spell of unemployment coming up and figure that if I don't find something to do other than boulder my fingers will explode (and I'll run out of petrol money).  Cycling would fit the bill nicely (explore the countryside, get fit, visit far away pubs!) but I have bugger-all knowledge about bikes and could do with some advice.  So, I would be grateful for any advice on the following matters... and yes, I know a proper bike forum might be more suitable, but I fear I am too much of a dilettante for one, and I have had good advice from the kind folks here on all kinds of random things.

What kind of bike?
Use will be lengthy leisure rides on country roads - no proper off-road stuff but there may be limited opportunities to use the odd non-road cycle-way.  To my uneducated eyes these new fangled "hybrid" bikes look the best bet (Marin's "city" bikes, Specialized Sirrus, Ridgeback Velocity, Kona Dr Dew etc) - easy riding on the roads where I'll spend 90%+ of my time but enough robustness for the odd cycle-way etc.  But are they any good, or are they just crap attempts to be a jack-of-all-trades and I'd be best off getting a proper road-bike, squeezing into some lycra, and ruling-out ever going on trails (although thin tyres do make me nervous!)?  If there are genuinely good hybrids out there who makes them and what type are best?   It's all so very confusing - Marin alone do about 6 grades of hybrid (urban, city, sports-comuter, commuter, leisure...) with seemingly tiny differences in the degree of off-road character - are front-shocks overkill when you are almost always on the road - do they make that much difference for those rare bit of trail riding etc?

Recommendations / stuff to avoid?
Any sage words of experience either way on bikes / components would be appreciated - my max budget is around £500-600 quid (although I need a helmet, lights etc too).  Especially interested in stuff to avoid like the plague  e.g. are there certain gear-systems that are a by-word for hard to look after unreliability (all those different Shimanos....), which chain-sets make life easiest, what about disk brakes?  Are there any general makes other than the ones I have listed worthy of consideration.   Do any of the big stores have unexpectedly good bargains - I have heard good things about Decathalon and even some of Halfords' stuff (their Boardman and Carrerra ranges).

Where to buy?
I know the web is where the bargains are, but I suspect that if I am spending a fair amount on a bike I should make sure it fits properly (especially as I have a tall and gangley figure rarely suited to "standard" sizings).  Besides, I am a bit sentimental and like to buy things at shops run by enthusiasts.  I will be based in Selby - between Leeds and York during the likely purchasing period (probably mid / late August) - are there any shops in that area that will be patient towards an indecisive man with a freakish build?   If not, I plan to visit the Peak in the near future (Matlock area) so could spare time from bouldering if there is anywhere suitably good and worth the diversion / hassle.   

Any help would be much appreciated.  I know its a bit of a liberty, but the only reason I have dared impose by writing such a lengthy plea is that I am continually amazed by how helpful the people on this forum often are.  Cheers.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on July 30, 2007, 02:07:15 pm
Personally, hybrids have never sat too comfortably with me. I would go for either a full on road bike or an off road bike, or end up with something not too good for either; bit like looking for one outdoor shoe suitable for everything from technical climbing to long mountain approaches. Makes both types of cycling a lot more enjoyable.

I know nothing about road bikes, but i think for any offroad riding a set of hydraulic discs are essential.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 30, 2007, 02:22:15 pm
hybreds are a bit like those climbing shoes with the wedge and studs in the heel.i.e.they'll do reasonably ok but when you want to heel hook your fucked.likewise a hybred you'll be able to tootle along but if you want to go up hill or battle some block head wind with 50 miles to go you'll be fucked.
with regard to where to buy a bike.you will probably be better off at one of the bigger stores like evans at york or j.e.james in rotherham.their bikes are often discounted and the staff usually know what they are talking about.otherwise it takes years of grooming at your local independant dealer to get discount.you have keep going in and buying all sorts of useless and non essential shit to curry favour as well as be able to bullshit about your training regimes and of course being able to go the distance in the local chain gang.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on July 30, 2007, 02:34:53 pm
are front-shocks overkill when you are almost always on the road
I would say yes. If you're always road riding then it's just unnecessary extra weight.

do they make that much difference for those rare bit of trail riding etc?
If you're just going to be riding fairly smooth offroad trails then you can do without them too. If you're going to be dealing with rocks and drops then I would say you want some.

Also, a decent set of forks is going to eat a long way into your budget, and cheapo forks aren't really worth having.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 30, 2007, 02:52:00 pm
i wouldn't get a hybrid. if i was going to get one bike for mostly roads / bit of trails then i'd maybe get a cross bike, but i think a proper road bike is probably your best bet.  if you got one with a bit more tyre clearance (like the ribble winter training type frames) then you could stick 28mm touring tyres on it, and they'd be ok down a forest track.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: moose on July 30, 2007, 04:19:16 pm
Cheers for advice so far - suspected that a road bike would be the recommended option being as I plan to be almost aways on roads (the clue was in their name).  Just that to man of my incredibly indecisive nature they just seem so.... extreme - especially for one more interested in ease than speed (and I have nightmares about hitting a grate in wet weather and finding myself under a truck).  Still, I guess there's no point in mediocrity and pretending that I am in the Tour de France would make pedalling around Selby more interesting (and the steroid abuse might benefit my climbing).  Any recomendations for cheap road-bikes etc? 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on July 30, 2007, 04:49:23 pm
i commute in sheffield and theres some right pot-holes, more than once i've been glad for the front suspension. currently riding my mountain bike with slicks (went on a 40 mile road ride in the peak not sunday just gone but one before - road surfaces much nicer out there - yes end up spinning out on downhills, but most glad of the wee ring on some of the ups).

all depends what riding position you find comfortable/are used to, while these are all hardcore roadies (on the leg shaving thread!) they are of course going to recommend road bikes. if you have got a similarly sized friend - borrow their road bike and see how it feels on a ride - preferably a bit longer than end of road and back.

go to a bike shop and sit on bikes (and ride them if they'll let you) and see what you think of the riding position. try different lengths/rise of stems as well as differnt frame size.




Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: AndyR on July 30, 2007, 04:52:28 pm
Cheers for advice so far - suspected that a road bike would be the recommended option being as I plan to be almost aways on roads (the clue was in their name).  Just that to man of my incredibly indecisive nature they just seem so.... extreme - especially for one more interested in ease than speed (and I have nightmares about hitting a grate in wet weather and finding myself under a truck).  Still, I guess there's no point in mediocrity and pretending that I am in the Tour de France would make pedalling around Selby more interesting (and the steroid abuse might benefit my climbing).  Any recomendations for cheap road-bikes etc? 
I have a hybrid (Kona Dr Doo), that I use for commuting (just over 40Km round trip), and I really like it - my route contains about 3-4 kms of gravel trails, which would be tough with a road bike. Disk brakes are great in the wet, and a touring tyre gives oodles of grip on normal roads for making emergency stops  (entertaining in the snow/ice though.......).
I also do a few hill climbs on them (road behind our house climbs about 1000m in 10km), but not nearly as quickly as the roadies......
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on July 30, 2007, 05:08:59 pm
Cheers for advice so far - suspected that a road bike would be the recommended option ... they just seem so.... extreme

Perhaps have a look at some touring bikes ? they are much less 'extreme' than road racers, usually have 21 gears with a small granny ring so they'll eat up hills like a MTB, have mudguards if you are going to be commuting and they'll take panniers etc. in case you want to go climbing/camping.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 30, 2007, 08:14:15 pm
Good friend of mine got into cycling a few years ago with a veiw to getting fit and getting around the quieter parts of the Peak to fulfill his bird watching proclivaties - he is mid fourties with chronic arthritis in his nech so was very wary of chosing a bike with a riding position that would be comfortable. Naturally he assumed this would completely rule out road bike and he would be limited to a mountain bike 'sit up and beg' type of riding position. (He also assumed that a road bike would not be appropriate 'cos the 'bloody razor blade of a saddle would play hell with me farmers', much to my amusment!)
Anyway, after forays into mountain bikes and hybrids, he eventually tried a Decathlon road bike because he was sick of pedalling a big heavy lump of steel with fat knobbly tyres up all the hills in the Peak and was sold completely on the thing. A bit of experimentation with the riding postition (slightly shorter stem, etc) and he was good to go and was much happier whizzing around without the constant road noise from fat tyres. The Decathlon road bikes and the Boardman ones from Halfords are supposed to be very good for the money. He now also has a nice lightweight rigid mountain bike with thin tyres on and hydraulic disks for the winter - but change the tyres and its good for a bit of cross country too.

I guess there is no perfect solution. Road bikes are best for the road, mountain bikes are best for mountains, hybrids are best for doing both reasonably well.......
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 30, 2007, 08:23:45 pm
cycling plus budget race bikes of the year 2006
1st trek 1000 triple £500
2nd specialized allez £529
3rd focus variado £ 699
the specialized allez has the same frame as more expensive bikes their range so is good for up grading.
www.royles.biz have a cannondale cad 5 tiagra at £549 again this would be a good bike to up grade when you have more dosh
cycle surgery have a couple of giants at good prices scr £650 and tcr2 at £799
these are out of this months cycling plus and theres loads more.
at the end of the day its what floats your boat and your wallet as most bikes all come out reasonably well in reviews.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 31, 2007, 12:19:22 am
http://www.bianchi.com/en/products2007/Road_Y7B50.aspx  ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 31, 2007, 08:02:28 am
it looks o.k. decent frame.however as i come from the angle of sell the wife and daughter in to slavery to afford a better bike i'm not the best judge.
my best bike is a 928l carbon ultegra that i got for £1500. £600 less than the normal price.the trouble was i only went in to buy a new winter bike for about £500.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: moose on July 31, 2007, 11:53:51 am
thanks muchly for all the suggestions so far.  I suspect a tourer / road bike or a very road-orientated hybrid will be outcome depending on preferred riding position / feel / suitability for lank-creature.  I guess advice is no substitute for trying before you buy.  Although hopefully your words / links will have minimised the chance of an expensive mistake.  Cheers.... as of today I am unemployed and netless (well at least for a fortnight until I move in with my parents!) so apologies and thanks to all who deserve them...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on August 02, 2007, 09:36:33 am
the ride to work scheme is looking good! potentially i can get up to 50% off the bike. lancs county buy it, then i pay em back in my pay cheque, no interest or anything.
i tried the bianchi, but now, since i wont be paying i think i may go for a higher spec model in the c2c range by them.  :dance1:

so thanks for all you help guys!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on August 02, 2007, 09:47:54 am
once you purchase said bike on ride to work scheme do you actually have to go to work on it.i'm thinking 50% of something with disc wheels low pro bars etc or a nice titanium jobbie would go well in my stable of bikes.
is there a minimum number of days i.e. once a year. :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on August 02, 2007, 01:59:25 pm

I'm pretty sure they don't check up on your cycling habits or anything like that...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on August 02, 2007, 02:18:00 pm
once you purchase said bike on ride to work scheme do you actually have to go to work on it.i'm thinking 50% of something with disc wheels low pro bars etc or a nice titanium jobbie would go well in my stable of bikes.
is there a minimum number of days i.e. once a year. :whistle:

The only catch is it would have to be < £1000 (prior to applying the discount I believe).  No idea if you could get that sort of spec for that money though  :shrug:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on August 02, 2007, 03:37:13 pm
Wonder if you could just buy a frame and get the shop to doctor the paperwork, then just pimp it from there?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on August 03, 2007, 08:15:49 am
the problem might be how do i get round the fact i have a lease car from work.do i try and get them to belive i leave my car at work and just use it for visits but cycle in to and from work.i notice you can get help with cycle safety equipment do oakleys count as safety equipment.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tommytwotone on August 03, 2007, 12:56:44 pm
once you purchase said bike on ride to work scheme do you actually have to go to work on it.i'm thinking 50% of something with disc wheels low pro bars etc or a nice titanium jobbie would go well in my stable of bikes.
is there a minimum number of days i.e. once a year. :whistle:

You do indeed have to use it for your work commute - me and a few of my colleagues have done it recently. How your workplace polices this is another matter though  ;)

My experience was being given a cheque payable to Evans for the amount I chose, and I had a free run once I got into the shop (I used £100 worth of mine for a helmet and some lights) so yes, I reckon you'd be fine to use the voucher as part payment towards something better.

I got a Specialized hybrid with my stuff - very happy with it but now enviously eyeing up road bikes! That said, I'm in London so that info is probably of little relevance.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on September 07, 2007, 10:50:16 pm
little taster of something I put together this spring:
(http://velospace.org/files/IMG_0106edit.JPG)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 10, 2007, 08:40:26 am
is that a toe strap i see there :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on September 12, 2007, 10:18:41 pm
has anyone travelled abroad (spain) with a bike (mountain). anyone got any beta on how to stop them getting trashed by baggage handlers?
is it a real effort?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on September 12, 2007, 10:24:41 pm
Rather fall out of a toe-starp than SPD's.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 13, 2007, 08:52:51 am
why.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on September 13, 2007, 04:47:06 pm
has anyone travelled abroad (spain) with a bike (mountain). anyone got any beta on how to stop them getting trashed by baggage handlers?
is it a real effort?

i travelled back from malaga (having ridden to morocco and then back to spain) in 1998 with a mountain bike. not in a box, but strapped together with bungees and zipties.  it was a last minute decision, but the bike actually arrived unscathed.  the airline was the never before and never since heard of "peach airways".  football hooligans and alcoholic teenage mothers our speciality, etc.

since then i have used a neil pryde bag twice, for a trip to chile/argentina (5 flights in all) - nothing damaged, and india (slightly bent brake disc - if you have them then unbolt them as they are quite prone to being bent).

i have taken a road bike abroad (precious litespeed to vietnam) but for that i fabricated a box out of laminated polystyrene and heavy duty cardboard.

bike boxes are probably the best option, but most of them are quite expensive.  a soft bag packed well is what i'd go for, especially with an mtb...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on September 13, 2007, 05:14:27 pm
good knowledge. cheers beast.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on September 14, 2007, 10:31:57 am
Sorry Foals, didnt reply to you. Problem with tranposrting mtb on planes now is baggage limit. Fly with most air lines  with a piece of sports equipment(your bike) you get 35kilos, your bike I presume is hardtail so your looking at <30lbs which is round 12kilos(I think) Just whatch your other baggage and make sure you book it in with the airline to make sure.
Now go to a bike shop and blag a cardboard bike box off them, the ones the bike are sent out in. Take bike, remove wheels(no need to release tyre pressure but if your paranoid then do so) put cardboard or some other packer in between disc pads on the brakes(stop em shutting, not prob if they do but abuses the pads a bit when you lever them out) Remove bars and zip tie to leg of fork. Remove rear mech and gaffer tape to inside of bottom chain stay. If you want you can remove crank arms and zip tie to frame but definitely remove pedals, whichever you do now pack front rings with some sort of packing. Line box with packing especially under forks(some people remove them completely and pack them alongside frame) put wheels in, pack it all out making sure nothing rubbing and bobs your relative.
http://www.switch-backs.com/switchbacks-pack-mountain-bike-travel.html (http://www.switch-backs.com/switchbacks-pack-mountain-bike-travel.html)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 14, 2007, 12:46:01 pm
you can pre book some extra weight for sporting goods.....

totally up to the airline though
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on September 14, 2007, 03:37:03 pm
i had an idea for future trips, which involved getting a custom bike bag made with the words "cycle for life - raising money for poor orphaned blind and deaf children with leukemia" prominently displayed on both sides, possibly with a picture of a very sad child, with tears in her eyes. you'd have to be one truly heartless check-in assistant to slap an excess baggage charge on that.

however, i am not quite that much of a cunt...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on September 15, 2007, 01:40:02 pm
I'll give it a go!   ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 27, 2007, 06:29:17 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/DSC_0066.jpg)
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/DSC_0068.jpg)

 8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on September 27, 2007, 06:44:56 pm
Top man... you got one then !!!! :thumbsup: f*ckin great aren't they.

I just signed up for the MS150 Houston to Austin next April - my employers are entering a team and I get to ride  :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 27, 2007, 07:39:19 pm
i love it! pleased as punch, thanks for the advice you guys (FD for settling my mind up!). off for a big ride on saturday. welcome chappers to a new sport with untold amounts of money to be spent on kit!!
i got it from paul hewitt in leyland, i am really happy with his service, full fitting on the jig and a few days later BAM ive got it. really nice guy. would recomend for anyone with a bit of cash to spend on a bike!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on September 27, 2007, 08:11:58 pm
and so, that age old cyclists dilemma...

bic or gillette?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 27, 2007, 08:14:38 pm
right, we need a roll call of who does, who doesn't. (shave)

me, no. (not yet).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on September 27, 2007, 08:40:53 pm
i have done. it made me feel special, like i was part of something bigger, something meaningful. something with a purpose.  i wore the uniform too. i listened to what they said, and it made sense.  i was proud to be part of it. i didn't know what i was becoming, but i can't deny the fact that the allure, the shiny muscular calves, the smell of GT85, the camaraderie, the much debated question of who braked first down that hill, it was all intoxicating, like first love....

it was later i discovered the truth. people started to look at me, like i was an outsider. the early starts. the phone calls from men, with nothing better to do than meet up on a cold december morning. my friends started making excuses for never dropping by. it was then that i started using. just PSP22 at first. but then trisodium phosphate. and then fig rolls.  it started to spiral out of control. a race here, a line of electrolyte there...

in the end i had to give it up. i still ride my bike, but things have changed. i'm not a slave any more. never again will i allow myself to be hooked up to a gas analyser, my body at their disposal like a lab rat.  i am free. hairy, and free...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 27, 2007, 08:48:57 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on September 27, 2007, 09:15:54 pm
right, we need a roll call of who does, who doesn't. (shave)

me, no. (not yet).

I'm the missing link. like a genetic throwback somewhere in the middle of this...

(http://www.factmonster.com/images/evolution_of_man.gif)

It'd take a vat of Immac and more than a bic to shave me.   I put Landis' T count to shame...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 28, 2007, 08:07:16 am
i have had to spend all night building up courage to reply to this post.
i was once a 3 times a week man,tried the lot waxing,sugaring even those fucking things that rip the hairs out in clumps.but i always returned to my trusty Gillette g2.the bliss of sliding freshly shaved legs into your jeans.the irritation of catching your stubble on your best worsted suit trousers.
even now that i'm clean i can't help feeling when i look down at my legs when wearing shorts and see the hairs.its soooooooooo wrong.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 28, 2007, 12:25:03 pm
OMFG

there is like NO way for me.

Imagine the rubbing of smooth legs on my body armour..... the chaffing would be horrendous!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 28, 2007, 12:44:33 pm
body armour.i didn't know you were in to that medieval reenactment stuff.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 29, 2007, 05:15:40 pm
oh yeah.....

nice and sweaty.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on September 29, 2007, 07:00:13 pm
did my first spin class of the autumn today.  :jaw:

two victims folded under questioning - "feeling faint" apparently. I pretty much crawled out after 45 minutes.

I am not going to shave my legs for the spin class though - a step too far.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Nibile on September 30, 2007, 04:46:55 pm
brilliant!!!
brilliant!!!
brilliant!!!
i'm super happy for bettini and the national team!!! it's been a great race, i was literally pedaling from the edge of the sofa.
great.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 02, 2007, 09:01:36 am
but should he have been allowed to start.what with the alligations about asking others to get him drugs and refusing to sign the pledge about giving a years salary if hes caught doping.
if you don't dope whats the problem with signing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 02, 2007, 09:49:40 am
this is one hard core sport. been on the bike every day since i got it. saturday i felt what someone with asthma must feel 30miles in, had to straighten up and suck in the air!
as my mate said to me, "its good because it is about suffering."

i also went out and got some assos shorts to replace the sh~t ones i had, much more comfortable!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Nibile on October 02, 2007, 10:43:00 am
i obviously don't know the true story of bettini, but i think it's never good when someone can't prove what he says.
i think that disqualifying an athlete only on not (still) proved alligations, isn't exactly fair-play.
the document he refused to sign also stated the compulsory DNA testing for the athletes...
the bigger problem behind that is that italian national team has been very badly welcomed in germany, with one of main organizers and a few politicians saying we were not welcome there. and nobody said why.

that said, i really don't know. i hope everybody's clean and safe. i think things have gone too far now in professional cycling: doping techniques are always years in advance on the testings, so who really knows.
i think it's crazy what they're ready to do to their bodies. we're talking serious illnesses here, and potential death risk.
anyway this is a bit off topic.
sorry.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 02, 2007, 12:18:34 pm
thats o.k. nibile i was just doing the usual brit of implying that the winners may have cheated.thats why our top rider finished 50 something and he served a ban for epo.we did get a bronze in the under 23 race tho.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 02, 2007, 12:41:30 pm
this is one hard core sport. been on the bike every day since i got it. saturday i felt what someone with asthma must feel 30miles in, had to straighten up and suck in the air!
as my mate said to me, "its good because it is about suffering."

i also went out and got some assos shorts to replace the sh~t ones i had, much more comfortable!

30 miles in and you've had the bike how long??

fuck me, i'll just get my coat  :'(

those shorts are the dogs arnt they... have you got to the needing the assos cream on them yet point??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 02, 2007, 05:43:46 pm
Betini is one hairy little world champion - I bet those legs take a shit load of shaving!
Chappers - 30 miles is how it starts, then it'll be 30 miles if you just have a couple of hours and are nipping out for a quick ride, and 100 miles plus each day at the weekend. Then you'll notice that even though you're fit as fuck, you feel weak when you climb because you're carrying an extra few kilos from all the extra leg muscle mass you've been piling on, coupled with the loss of any former flexibility you had in you're lower body. And then comes the carbon fibre fetish, and the obsession with weight - Assos shorts is just the start. The road cycling habit is a super expensive way to pass your free time (but awesome, all the same!). A bit like buying ladies lingerie - the more money you spend, the less you get!
As for Fatdocs obsession with chamois cream, its a wise investment if you're the type who enjoys rubbing Deep Heat into your knackers! Be careful - its pretty spicey stuff, but awesome for stopping arse chaffing. Don't do what I did on a ride recently - plodding along up a big hill and I feel a large blockage up my nostril which I can't blast out, so send in a finger to extract the culprit bogey when I realise that I still have remnants of Chamois cream on my finger from a previous apllication to my shorts. Chamois cream rubbed into the sinuses is not a good idea - it took a while before the tears stopped!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 02, 2007, 06:41:29 pm
LOL on the cream up the nose!!

also, dont rub it near your ring either!!!

for TOTAL amusement: tell yr missus its good for post body waxing /shaving, stand clear.. and piss yourself!!! most parts of the body guaranteed to cause tears from you and tears from her!!!

i agree with the extended milage thing, I've yet to get over the 50 mile barrier, but TBH it's mainly a time constraint issue but after a bit the *just a quick ride out into the peak, the conditions look a bit shite for bouldering* soon develops into *god i'm missing the bike this week* sort of thing.

I've not ridden for 10 days :'(  the old spack leg needed some well heavy duty sports massage to get my kneecap facing the right way.. should be good for extended work commute tomorrow!, sheffield to chesterfield via chatsworth!!!!!
I'm shitting myself my new found form will have been lost on 10 days of overindulgance - when i ride most days I can keep my portly physique as is by eating all i want... with my levels of self control i swear I've put on 4 pounds in 10 days!!!

bugger :'(


BTW the roadie clothes are expensive (hmmmm.... new assos winter top hmmm....), but if you want to truly become broke take up downhilling MTB, costs about £100 every 8 weeks in bust bits of kit, and i for one bust bits of me!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 02, 2007, 09:24:30 pm
got the bike last thursday. 30 miles, but i do live on the west lancashire plain so it is pretty flat.
off down to the peak this weekend for 40 - 50 miles so im sure that i will post a message about the colapse of my legs when i get back!

i think i have a bit of a kit obsession starting already...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 03, 2007, 08:01:13 am
oohhhhh

idea!!!!

what about a roadie / bouldering weekend in the peak??

(this weekend lookin dodgy unfortunately)

I'm sure Perc would be up for finding us a quality 30 to 40 miler for one day then the grit venue of choice for the next day??

I can see it now:

Climbing works lyrca team jerseys for sale in the works, perhaps not the stongest look for bouldering, but you never know...


even...

a climbing works entry to the etapecaledonia sportive type thingie next summer...

i'd better get training!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 03, 2007, 09:39:19 am
Not sure about CW branded lycra...given the amount of piss-taking I get when ever I don the assos tights to ride home from work... However, I'm always  up for a session as and when - how about a lift out to the Roaches for a boulder (preferably from someone with a van to accomodate bikes and pads), then a ride back to Sheffield via Leek, Macclesfield, Cat and Fiddle, Buxton, Stoney, Froggatt Hill, etc, etc....! Lovely....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 03, 2007, 09:47:08 am
Oh, I forgot. How about a trip to the dark side......

Just recently I've been getting into track cycling at Manchester Velodrome - a little repetative, but an awesome workout, and good for getting a bit more power and 'leg speed', so they tell me. Also pretty spicey riding round 25 foot high banking at 30 plus mph 2 inches from the bloke in fronts back wheel. They do taster evenings - well worth a tenner. Check out  www.manchestervelodrome.com
It is considered something of a dark art amongst proper roadies, but I'll be over for the regular track league this winter - a good way to keep your fitness instead of riding endless miles in the piss wet freezing cold that is cycling in a British winter! Instead of £500 for a winter bike, spend £500 on a Dolan track bike! Or even go the whole hog and visit PlanetX and get fixed up with one of their bespoke track bikes.... Where's me wallet?!?!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 03, 2007, 11:52:02 am
BTW me Sheff roadies,

just found a shit load of Assos stuff 30% off in the chesser jejemes shop.

got me that winter top after all! colour co-ordinated to the bike, of course.

how long is that ride from the roaches to sheff?? might be just a bit too fuckin big for me a the mo, esp as i visulise the hill profile  :jaw:

btw my av speed on runs in the peak is only 16 - 17 mph... will i get dropped on the 1st Km or will you play with me and then kill me on the climb up to the cat and fiddle??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on October 03, 2007, 11:58:06 am
That sort of average is good FD -you'll be fine.
You're a proper roadie now aren't you ? ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 03, 2007, 12:37:00 pm
Yeah, I wouldn't get stressed about that sort of average speed - very respectable. Even when I've been doing a bit, its hard to get my average speed much over 20 in the Peak. Between 16 and 18 is a pretty good level, my season average is 17.5 over approx. 2000 miles. Its how long you can sustain that average speed in a session that's the real issue - after 5 or 6 hours it starts to hurt big style!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 03, 2007, 07:39:48 pm
i've only got experience of the peak drags... you know what i mean... and I've never gone over 35 miles...

trying to get a big ride in this weekend though - but not confirmed... hopefully 45 miler. time is an issue. done 500 miles now in 3 months ( probs quite a bit more, didnt get a computer for quite a bit), each week greater distance or greater av speed... life dictates which. still trying to get the the magic 100 miles mid week commuting total and then a ride at the weekend - but i also wanna climb!!

I'm happy at sort of speed  (16 to 17 mph) at HR rate at 150 to 155 (speakin freely) and keep that for 2 hrs no probs at all.... think i may bonk / die after 4 though... my true 30 sec max is 180 to 190 (yes... i can say i retch / fall over and nearly die when i hit 200.)

 I'm setting sights for some sportives nxt spring..  I recon 50 miles not an issue by then.. what do i enter then guys?? all i wanna do is finish in the top half.

the true goal has to be your 1st 100. i've heard doing that out to Hull from sheff is the easiest way, advice guys??

+ got from chesser to home in the big ring for the 1st time today... stoked!!! 32 mins 30.. sweet.  Took me 42 mins 1st time!!!!

god, lyrca feels sooo good ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on October 03, 2007, 08:40:40 pm
then a ride back to Sheffield via

Sounds good to me, I can start at the Roaches End (I'm in Chinley) but I'm not sure about bouldering beforehand.. I always find mixing these things a bit wierd and stressful (on the mind more than the body).

That said, I'm always saying 'Yeah count me in' and I end up working away from home of off doing something else.

>I'm happy at sort of speed  (16 to 17 mph) at HR rate at 150 to 155 (speakin freely) and keep that for 2 hrs no >probs at all.... think i may bonk / die after 4 though... my true 30 sec max is 180 to 190 (yes... i can say i retch / >fall over and nearly die when i hit 200.)

Ditto for me Fatdoc, almost identical stats.  The HR monitor was quite a revelation in terms of pacing myself - I found if I stay below 180 I can push hard uphil for a while and was so elated when I 'flashed' Winnats with no dab.

Off surfing in Ireland for 7 days on Friday so no bike for a while.  One of our aging UK bouldering wads is joining me and bringing his bike and boards but I can't mix the two... I couldn't possibly go for a knackering ride only to find it pumping and offshore that evening.



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 03, 2007, 09:04:06 pm
loving this thread. on that ride i did i was 17.6 mph average, my computer has a pointer to tell me if i am above or below my average which is good on the ride to school each morning for trying to beat my time.

i used to use a HR monitor for running, but i found it of little use, at the min on the bike i just push myself as hard as possible all the time (7 miles to work and have ridden a longer way home in the evenings), since last thursday i have done 98 miles. how can i use my monitor?

and a big question, how can i ride a fast average speed and retain juice in the tank for big climbs? what speed to people ride up steep hills (is that a stupid question??)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on October 03, 2007, 09:12:50 pm
Chappers - I deliberately didn't buy a computer/speedo/HR monitor for 6 months so I could get a proper feel for riding without being distracted by numbers and other stuff. 

Your last question isn't stupid by any means but as a relative newcomer to road biking myself you've just got to get out there and get a feel for your bike and body if you get my drift.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 04, 2007, 08:19:46 am
chappers.with regard to using your h/r rate monitor on the bike.most cyclists  use h/r zones.which work something like this.
z1 long rides 3hrs+ h/r 50/60% of max h/r
z2 longish intervals70/80% i.e 5 mins on 1 off x8
z3 1 min intervals 90% effort
z4 flat out max efforts
this is a rough guide and might not be that accurate,cycling weekly usually produce a training manual every year which gives all this stuff in detail.you might find one in smiths.
another really good training guide is tubo training to win by pete read.its now in its 4or 5th edition.you can adapt the workouts for riding outside.i used this for a couple of years when racing and got some great results.
as for having a fast average speed then being able to have something left for the hills.its the same as 100ft of 6a moves followed by a 6b crux.its
climb,climb,climb or ride your bike,ride your bike,ride your bike.
as fd says the problem with average speeds is that you get obssessed with trying to beat your previous time so every ride is a race.its a common theme when people first start.you will enjoy it more if you ride steadyon the flat, go hard up the hills,coast down the hills and listen to your body as its very easy to batter yourself and end up going slower and slower.
one of the most important things to notice which seems obvious but most people seem to ignore it.is if you can't ride at 25mph for 200 metres how can you expect to ride at this speed for an hour.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 04, 2007, 08:43:47 am
did a short hill from unstone to appinall last week, said to be steeper than winnats, but but way shorter...

long term goal for me winnats,

might "have a look" soon. mate of mine when fit got to the yellow grit bin (a famous point on the hill), came to a staggering stop, keeled over then hyperventilated into vomiting... he was well fit then as well. thank god i've got a compact chain set!! :jaw:

i'm a bit in awe of winnats as a result :'(

as fd says the problem with average speeds is that you get obssessed with trying to beat your previous time so every ride is a race.its a common theme when people first start.you will enjoy it more if you ride steadyon the flat, go hard up the hills,coast down the hills and listen to your body as its very easy to batter yourself and end up going slower and slower.

 :'(

 :'(

 :'(


guess who just did his slowest ride to work of 8 weeks today??? i think i need to have a few slow longer rides, to break out of the *race to work cycle*. good advice that, thanks.

BTW, this thread is more useful than any roadie forum i've come accross!!

ta!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 04, 2007, 09:37:21 am
although i spouted above about not always trying to beat you previous times.i did manage to knock about 10 mins off my regular evening cicuit of about 11/2 hours last night.this was helped by the number of those super tractors on the road last night.i find its great for your speed jumping in their slipstream as they come past at 25mph.got h/r of 188 on the flat.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 04, 2007, 12:16:39 pm
right, im off out on a ride tonight after school so i will take advice and try and build it up, ill switch the average speed off my computer and just enjoy!

in other news i just had to ref year 8 football having never ever played the game or indeed watched it. steep learning curve that!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 04, 2007, 01:01:12 pm
re hills fatdoc.i know you've alot of experience in coming down them fast but there is quite alot of technique in how you ride them.i.e.its not of a case "of oeer that looks long and steep so i'll put it in my smallest gear"sometimes its about standing up and powering.at other times you may want to just sit down and rev. a mistake when i first started was to hit a hill in certain gear get out of breath,change down get more out of breath and sort of repeat this process till i collapsed.also alot of people charge at them trying to get it over with quickly.think of hills like sex take your time and saviour the experience.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 04, 2007, 01:50:33 pm
thanks,

got a big (for me) ride planned for sunday, now the missus isnt doing the clumber 10km i've found the time..

i'll defo try to the more steady approach to hills, has to be said a base level of fitness is needed to try to climb hills in the way you explain, i recon i've only got fit enough to be able to consider my actual climbing technique in the last few weeks.. i need to stop trying to belt up everything i can in the highest gear i can grind for sure...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 04, 2007, 02:01:01 pm
however all this about taking it steady all falls by the way side if you go out with some mates.then its every man or woman for themselves once the road goes up.
i have a mate who as a young man was a class act i.e. represented great britain,he would delight in riding up a hill in front mooning the rest of us as we grovelled up.we ganged up on him one time knocked him off his bike into a ditch and removed his shorts.he then had to ride home with his jersey covering his nether regions for 10 miles. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 05, 2007, 09:24:27 am
i would happily make the journey up north for a days biking, but judging by my utter exhaustion after yesterday's mountain biking adventure in wales i think i might need to put in some more training first. i started this year brilliantly, but the last 3 or 4 months have been a pretty unhealthy combination of too much good living and evenings spent inside writing about middle eastern terrorists and gay navy seals, rather than being out on the road.

i did a couple of lab trials earlier this year, and as such got a lot of free testing. whilst i wouldn't suggest that anyone starting out should jump in at the deep end, it did become quite clear to me and the lab guys that i was wasting my time doing a lot of junk miles.  i was doing about 150 - 170 miles a week in january - long rides at the weekend, and mid week rides with lights. i think a long ride now and again is worthwhile, especially if you want to do sportifs. however, the way to get fast seems to be to really go and hurt yourself for 2 hours, or maybe 3. the month where i had the greatest improvement was when i was going out with a road race team. they showed no mercy and were all stick-armed freaks, and i usually got dropped after an hour or two. but until then i found myself pushing myself far harder than i usually would on a solo ride...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 05, 2007, 09:36:17 am
i read a couple of diaries from 2000/2001.when i was racing nearly every weekend and it was intervals and intervals with the odd 5/6 hour ride thrown in if i had a day off mid week.it was exhausting reading it now never mind doing it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 05, 2007, 10:02:48 am
i guess that's what those rides were like. the rest of them were probably treating it like a level 2/3 ride.  for me, every hill was a hardcore interval, going into the 180s every time just to hang on. it's funny how pride can be such a driving force.

as an aside, i tried one of those caffeine energy gels yesterday. after riding up a bloody awful hill on our second lap (on a fucking heavy stinky primo) i had the most awful cold sweat and near passing out experience.  the gel thingy did a pretty good job of keeping me alive on the way down, because in my experience delirium and big rock steps don't really mix.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 05, 2007, 10:48:34 am
Oh yes, pride is a great motivator, but also a dangerous thing. The first 10 mile TT I did when I was 16 involved riding for 12 miles to get to the start. Being young and stupid, I rode out to the start with two lads from the Southborough road club who were way fitter than me, so by the time I got to the start I was destroyed and recorded my slowest 10 ever, and all because I kept up with the others on the ride to the start. By the time I rode home again I bonked so badly my mum had to come and pick me up from the hedge I had collapsed in at the top of Sevenoaks hill.

As for learning how to climb hills on a bike, a few training sessions in the Peak, coupled with a week in the Alps straightened me out a little as to what worked for me. Alpine cols - a totally mind blowing experience to ride up (and down!) are highly recommended for learning how to monitor what your body is doing and managing your effort so you can keep going.

Dr Bishton recommends a week in Annot - ride up and down the Col St Martin first thing in the morning (the climb starts gently straight from the camp site, and then continues up for 20 Kms or so, gradient is a fairly steady between 5-12%, then a very spicey descent), then enjoy pristine sandstone bouldering in the afternoon. A week of this will sort your climbing technique out - rock climbing and climbing hills on a bike. There's very good mountain biking too, so they tell me...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 05, 2007, 11:13:20 am
the thing i find, especially after mountain biking, is how easy it is to control effort when climbing on a road bike compared to off road. i think with a bit of practise you get a really very accurate idea of what you can sustain (assuming you're not having a bad day), and if you ride with stronger riders from time to time then you're certainly going to find out how much is too much.  if you use a power meter then you can be even more scientific about it. 

the trouble off road is that things are often out of your control. there might be a section where you have to give it everything to get over it, or a rocky section where you lose momentum, or this or that, and as such i find my heartrate fluctuating wildly when on a mountain bike in comparison.

i am quite concerned that it is nearly turbo trainer time again. i wonder if in years to come that particular instrument of torture might go the way of bear baiting and corporal punishment and get banned. i think i might try illuminated mountain biking as an alternative.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 05, 2007, 11:31:35 am
Aye. The thought of hours sweating on the turbo trainer fills me with dread. Even the drive to Manchester to the velodrome is preferable to an evening in the garage expending vast ammounts of energy on going nowhere. It is possible to spice things up by riding on rollers in a very small cellar space, but this normally ends in tears and serious injury in my limited experience....!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on October 05, 2007, 11:36:34 am
long term goal for me winnats,

I was terrified by the prospect, particularly as I'd already done the Cat'n Fiddle and various White Peak climbs already that day.

The motivator for me was having another cyclist (who had overtaken me with a snooty 'hello' on the flat outside of Hope) collapse in front me by the grit bin and start puking on his shoes.  Closer to the top when the black spots at the edges of my eyes were threatening to overwhelm my vision, a car load of girls with MTB's on the roof drove past and leaned out of the windows cheering and clapping like I was one of the hill climbing greats of yore - my ego soared, I managed to dig deep and even flashed a smile to the chicks in the motor though I probably looked like I was having a seizure.

I have a compact BTW...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 05, 2007, 12:46:01 pm
i am quite concerned that it is nearly turbo trainer time again. i wonder if in years to come that particular instrument of torture might go the way of bear baiting and corporal punishment and get banned. i think i might try illuminated mountain biking as an alternative.

although i'm a big fan of turbo training as its the best way to get strong and fast.its got to be the most mind numbing,painful experience known to man kind.i find it really hard to warm down after a session cos i'm so desperate to get off the bloody thing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 05, 2007, 03:55:55 pm
christ,

we're gonna need bubba to start a separate forum at this rate

boulderingroadies.com

this thread is superb.

my sunday ride is with one uber fit extreme event runner, and a mate from work. i'm thus in the middle, best plac :lol: to be i reckon!

you tell i'm getting serious, i dont intend to drink the night before :o


how do you train on a turbo trainer BTW?

i have yet to have the need, but although my cozy color co-odrinated assos winter jersey is all soft and nuggly i dont intend to get piss wet through by commuting to work regularly through the winter... seems a purchase will then be in order...

i'm shitting it about winnats now, gonna leave it for a bit i reckon
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 05, 2007, 04:28:39 pm
i guess that's what those rides were like. the rest of them were probably treating it like a level 2/3 ride.  for me, every hill was a hardcore interval, going into the 180s every time just to hang on. it's funny how pride can be such a driving force.

as an aside, i tried one of those caffeine energy gels yesterday. after riding up a bloody awful hill on our second lap (on a fucking heavy stinky primo) i had the most awful cold sweat and near passing out experience.  the gel thingy did a pretty good job of keeping me alive on the way down, because in my experience delirium and big rock steps don't really mix.

good effort, that's heavier than my DH rig!

where were you mate?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 05, 2007, 04:38:17 pm
i am quite concerned that it is nearly turbo trainer time again. i wonder if in years to come that particular instrument of torture might go the way of bear baiting and corporal punishment and get banned. i think i might try illuminated mountain biking as an alternative.

although i'm a big fan of turbo training as its the best way to get strong and fast.its got to be the most mind numbing,painful experience known to man kind.i find it really hard to warm down after a session cos i'm so desperate to get off the bloody thing.

have you ridden an srm ergo? if a turbo trainer is like being beaten with an iron bar for 40 minutes, then the SRM is like organ removal without anaesthetic.  Once the power level is set it won't let you drop below it.  If your legs slow then the resistance increases.  And doing a max test on it is unspeakably awful...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 05, 2007, 04:40:28 pm
turbo workouts from pete reads book.
10 min warm up
5 mins on 1 min off xbetween 6 and 10 efforts h/r between 70 and 85%
10 w/down

10 min w/u
25 mins h/r 60%
20mins h/r 70%
20mins h/r 80%
10 min w/d
do one of these twice a week plus a 3 hour ride at the w/e and you'll be in good shape bto start proper training come january.
then come january
10 min w/u
1 min 1 min off x 10 h/r up tp 95%
10 min w/d

10 min w/u
15 secs on 15 sec off x3
1min rest
x5 x7x9x11x9x7x5x3 h/r 95%
10 min w/d

then
10 min w/u
1 min 53x18
2 min 53x17
3 min 53x16
4 min 53x15
5 min 53x14
6 min 53x13
7 min53x12 h/r off the scale
10 min w/d

enjoy
  
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 05, 2007, 04:40:34 pm
afan. i'd rather have gone to cwm carn, but in the end we had a lot of fun. that bike though - it's bloody heavy. i think the wheels are responsible for about 12 - 14lb...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 05, 2007, 04:43:46 pm
i am quite concerned that it is nearly turbo trainer time again. i wonder if in years to come that particular instrument of torture might go the way of bear baiting and corporal punishment and get banned. i think i might try illuminated mountain biking as an alternative.

although i'm a big fan of turbo training as its the best way to get strong and fast.its got to be the most mind numbing,painful experience known to man kind.i find it really hard to warm down after a session cos i'm so desperate to get off the bloody thing.
i don't know what the set i was on when i did threshhold test but it sounds similar plus i had the added benefit off 2 mates bellowing encouragement as just about puked.

have you ridden an srm ergo? if a turbo trainer is like being beaten with an iron bar for 40 minutes, then the SRM is like organ removal without anaesthetic.  Once the power level is set it won't let you drop below it.  If your legs slow then the resistance increases.  And doing a max test on it is unspeakably awful...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 06, 2007, 11:21:07 am
oh god, i'm going to die... :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 06, 2007, 12:08:33 pm
my recipe for making it more bearable is fixing bike on turbo in front of projection screen and then watching tour de france dvds. it is essential (in my experience anyway) to try to watch previously unseen footage, as otherwise you know what's going to happen and your mind wanders. back to the boredom and pain of the turbo. it is possible to actually get quite a psyche on. but only really with 2x 20s and stuff. you may as well put a black bag over your head when doing intervals.

i tried pr0n once, but the trouble is that it messes with your breathing rhythm...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 08, 2007, 11:33:31 am
50 miles   :dance1:
it hurts, not now, but last night i was shattered. i loved it. the climb out of buxton up to the roaches was ace, must have gone past about 50 riders, really pushing ourselves, and yes it was I who always breaked down the hills, 40mph seems way to fast, dave was clocking way over that, nutter!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 08, 2007, 12:26:05 pm
34 miles, not as far as i hoped..but there again 2hrs 20, and i had to get on with spotting my son at the plantation for the rest of the afternoon.

but the climb to abney / gliding club was top notch... then i found curbar gap a bit of a shocker to say the least :o. really pleased though, didnt think i'd get up it. Interestingly my HRM has self destructed..i just used pain as a determinant for gear choice - which was very very low!!

felt a bit jaded on the ride in to work today I have to say, my left hamstrings are well tender!! (spack foot on tht side no doubt not helping )

Good effort on the distance chappers, your base fitness  / lack of fat is obviously far better than mine!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 08, 2007, 01:00:48 pm
Didn't get out on my bike this weekend, due to being out the grit both days in Yorkshire, but am psyched for getting some miles in towards the end of the week.

Going back to the concept of how much motivation you can get to push really hard from the people you ride with, I was lucky (?) enough to get on a wheel of a pair of blokes between Matlock and Bakewell a few months back, and even though I was going well at that point I could not muster the energy to do a stint on the front, which I thought seemed a bit odd. In fact, nor could the bloke in front of me, who was just hanging on to the wheel of the lead bloke for grim death. The bloke at the front (bear in mind all I could see of him was an enormous pair of calves) was an absolute monster who just put his head down and churned out an amazing pace for a good 6 or 7 miles before they eased off coming into Bakewell just enough so we could have a chat before they did a u-turn and went back to Matlock. Turns out the big fucker at the front regularly does 10 mile time trials in 19 minutes, so it was nothing to him, whereas his buddy who had been getting a free ride on his wheel was destroyed and said that every training run with the big lad was like this - he never got on the front, just tried to keep up for as long as possible! Absolutely awesome to ride with someone like that though - not much good on a long ride but for a quick 20 mile blast an absolute machine. I can't imagine going for a 20 mile ride in the Peak and being back home within 50 minutes! Awesome.

Then there's the tale of a local club full of strong youths going out on a sunday with some old bastard called Malcom Elliott tagging along. Aparently the youths heard this Elliott dude used to be good, so going up Froggatt hill they all gang up on Malcom and try and leave him behind. After 5 minutes going flat out and just when the group thought they'd dropped the ancient one, Malcom rides past the whole group no-handed, putting on a rain cape, and then announces that the spurt of pace from the group was a nice warm up and leaves everybody for dead! The lesson here is beware the knarly ancient roadies - many of them can still do a bit...  (not that Malcom Elliott is ancient by any extent of the imagination)!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on October 08, 2007, 02:41:10 pm
Then there's the tale of a local club full of strong youths going out on a sunday with some old bastard called Malcom Elliott tagging along. Aparently the youths heard this Elliott dude used to be good, so going up Froggatt hill they all gang up on Malcom and try and leave him behind. After 5 minutes going flat out and just when the group thought they'd dropped the ancient one, Malcom rides past the whole group no-handed, putting on a rain cape, and then announces that the spurt of pace from the group was a nice warm up and leaves everybody for dead! The lesson here is beware the knarly ancient roadies - many of them can still do a bit...  (not that Malcom Elliott is ancient by any extent of the imagination)!

Yeah, the green jersey in the tour of spain definately counts as being good!  :bow: One of the UKs best riders in recent years.

On the subject of the dreaded turbo training and power outputs etc, Cippolini could produce a whooping 1200 watts for a full 10 seconds when on form :o 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 08, 2007, 03:13:05 pm
the only shite thing that did happen on the ride was the self destruction of my saddle bag as i went over a cattle grid at about 30mph. back to the shop with it tonight!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 08, 2007, 03:15:11 pm
That's quite hardcore.  Looking back at my last Wingate test, I managed a max of 1063W, and over 1000w for er, 4.5 seconds. It took me 1.5 seconds to get over 1000W, so not exactly explosive, but I was still quite pleased with myself.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 09, 2007, 08:30:05 am
due to bicep injury i got out both days at the w/e did 3 hours on sat and 1885 cals h/r upto 184.2 hours40 mins sun 1440 cals h/r 178.i tend to o out over the hills[ yorkshire wolds] for the first bit of my ride the drop down on to plain of york for the last hour and give it some in a big gear.
i've raced against some of those ex pros in vets events.they don't seem to lose it with age. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on October 09, 2007, 09:15:46 am
Is there any way of doing plenty of road riding and not gaining massive thighs?

Talk to me about cadence.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 09, 2007, 09:24:14 am
whether you will get big thighs depends whether your body type is one that puts on muscle.you still get big thighs even if you pedal fast i.e. track riders.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on October 09, 2007, 10:46:57 am
Slabs and jump problems from now on then...

(I heard about this Finnish ex-speedskater (ice) - all the hardest dyno's in Finland are his.)

There has to be some way of losing thigh mass...  Running on the flat?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 09, 2007, 12:03:59 pm
get a wheelchair.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 09, 2007, 12:33:18 pm
my thighs are noticably getting bigger... i'll need a harness with adjustable leg loops at this rate.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 09, 2007, 05:25:45 pm
i think this leg strength thing is a bit odd. there was a thing i quoted a few pages back (i think) from rick stern - here it is again http://www.cyclingforums.com/t126133.html (http://www.cyclingforums.com/t126133.html) - which suggests that hypertrophy from actually riding a bike (maybe not track sprinting) is extremely low, and that hypertrophy in general is to be avoided.

"[in reply to] Some additional leg size/strength at least could be helpful in powering the cranks.

This just isn't true, unless you have a functional disability or are e.g., a frail old lady. the force requirements are low to moderate in endurance cycle racing, such that virtually anyone can meet them.

elite endurance cyclists are, on average, no stronger than untrained, sedentary, healthy, age, gender and mass-matched controls.

the average force requirement of *both* legs over each pedal rev can generally be met by anyone. for e.g., approximately, the force required for the *top 5 riders* in the recent Mont Ventoux mountain TT would have been ~ 250 Newtons (or 25 kg). Pretty much anyone can generate that. Obviously, sustaining that for the hour long period is a totally different matter -- but, that's not a strength issue, but to do with the factors that affect endurance performance, such as VO2max, and LT."

the fastest guy i've ever ridden with is pete tadros (top 10 national 10mile and 25 mile tester) and he's a scrawny little chap...

i thought my legs might have got a bit bigger earlier this year, but i don't know if it wasn't just fat loss that was making them look more muscely. and as far as calves are concerned, anyone who's read arnie's education of a bodybuilder will know how difficult it is to add calf muscle mass, even with huge weights.

of course, this man (http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39994000/jpg/_39994332_chris_hoy_getty.jpg) has big legs, but i'm sure that's from squatting 400lb rather than riding the etape...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 09, 2007, 06:14:34 pm
And a pretty impressive camel toe too!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 09, 2007, 10:32:41 pm
well, my legs are getting bigger... right much more than left (spack foot is on the left)

they have been this big before, 18 months of MTB XC 3 times a week with one 40km at least a week ride. i had power then... stopped XC and then got into freeride (aka regular A&E attendances), legs went small. maybe it's just muscle tone... something i'm not accustomed too!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 10, 2007, 08:28:53 am
i felt the effect of sunday last night at my regular running training.
4 x 400m with 1 min rest, 4 sets. every lap under 75 seconds.

i felt that i was running in sand in the 14th, 15th, and 16th lap. MORE REST NEEDED!!!

however, i did feel positive effects on the cardio side, recovery between sets was much quicker.  :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on October 10, 2007, 08:38:43 am
get a wheelchair.

I'm undecided.  Is it

(http://www.davincimobility.co.uk/images/AgileCtTennis.jpg)

or maybe

(http://www.apparelyzed.com/wheelchair/_images/bromakin-sports.jpg)

?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 10, 2007, 08:41:43 am
you'd be better off with an electric one.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on October 10, 2007, 08:48:00 am
 8)

(http://uk.gizmodo.com/trekinetic%20k2.jpg)

Sexy little number innit?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 10, 2007, 09:49:50 am
i think i'd worry a few of my friends if i started calling my bike/wheelchair edna.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 10, 2007, 05:25:40 pm
i felt the effect of sunday last night at my regular running training.
4 x 400m with 1 min rest, 4 sets. every lap under 75 seconds.

i felt that i was running in sand in the 14th, 15th, and 16th lap. MORE REST NEEDED!!!

however, i did feel positive effects on the cardio side, recovery between sets was much quicker.  :)

AH HA!

so, it now transpires you are aerobically *fit as* already cos yr a awesome runner.... hence a very impressive entry into the world of roadbiking. this makes me feel better, i thought your base fitness was as woeful as mine... no wonder you're outstripping me in distance, speed (and no doubt ability).... no way i'm taking up running though - i'd be limping in 3 mins  :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 10, 2007, 08:13:08 pm
Being fit already is a big help, but learning how to ride well and handle your bike takes a bit of time. The more miles you do the better you'll get, particularly if you are riding with people and get used to riding in a bunch. Track racing is a very good way of honing bike handling skills cos you ride sooo close together and you ain't got any brakes!

I have used a cadence sensor aswell as a HRM for the last year and its a very useful training tool. I had always been a bit of a 'grinder' - just sitting down and grinding out the biggest gear I could, but all the stuff about raising your cadence and being more reliant on your aerobic capacity for long rides got me psyched to try a ride a higher cadence (it worked for Armstrong and Contador...)
And the up shot is.... my cadence has got a little quicker, but the 90 - 95 revs a minute thing just doesn't do it for me. I now ride at about 80 rpm, any faster just don't work for me. The only thing I haven't tried is a compact chainset as a means of upping the cadence, but I just can't be doing with pecker chainrings - I like my 53/38 setup too much (with 23-11 on the back. I still love cranking out a big gear!)

Fatdoc - I used the ride up Mam Nick as a way of getting fit enough and learning my prefered climbing technique in order to get my scrawny arse up Winnats pass. Its not as quite as steep but still a pretty good indication of how you'll do on Winnats. If you need to stop on Mam Nick then you need to do it a few more times before Winnats will be viable. If you're 'cruising' up Mam Nick (ie: making it up in a oner without feeling like you're about to die), then you should be alright on Winnats (ie: you might be lucky and not need to stop and chunder on your handlebars!) By the way, I don't use the gearing mentioned above if I'm going to ride up Winnats - I put on my spare back wheel which has a 25-12 on it. This still feels like I can hardly move the pedals by the time i've got to the top of Winnats, but I'm a glutton for punishment.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 10, 2007, 08:44:45 pm
i think the really high cadence thing is a bit of a read herring. it's not as efficient as a lower cadence, but it causes less muscle fibre damage and so helps out in long tours.

i think there is a danger of club cyclists reading too much into pro training programmes. so ekimov used to ride 450 miles a week when he was a teenager. maybe that's helped him be a great your rider. but if you want to win a cat 2 road race, what is more sensible - trying to ride 450 miles a week, or doing targeted and very hardcore 2 hour rides three days a week, plus intervals. that was what the scientists were suggesting to me...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 11, 2007, 08:22:30 am
i think the really high cadence thing is a bit of a read herring.

that's what i've red anyway...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 11, 2007, 08:29:28 am
perc,

thanks for the advice mate... mam nick is right up there on my next hill to climb list, knowing how it compares to winnats is exaclty wot i needed.

i've got up it on a kona stinky (43lbs) but the gearing is mad low on those freeride bikes...

as the damp weather seems to be trashing the grit in style i could well be found trying mam nick on sunday morning..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 11, 2007, 08:40:59 am
I'd join you, but I booked a two hour training session at the velodrome on the sunday evening, and I reckon fresh legs could be required. Unfortunately this also means I'll miss the first half of the Comitted premiere at the Works, but that's being disorganised for you! Might go out Saturday for a ride though. Not trained on my bike at all for the last month due to work and having to get fit for climbing in order to set for a number of competitions, so the first ride for a while could be humbling....

Once you've got your eye in and are feeling particularly stupid, I like to ride out of Sheffield up Ringinglow and over Stanage, through Bamford and over Mam Nick, then drop down to Chapel (nice long descent), get on the A6 for a bit towards Manchester then turn left down to Macclesfield and head home over the cat and fiddle to Buxton, then do a bit more A6 and come down Millers Dale then through Litton, back through Stoney and Baslow and back up the long drag underneath Gardoms. I my experience, this makes your legs hurt. A lot. And makes you walk like John Wayne for several hours afterwards.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 11, 2007, 09:31:37 am
in regard to the cadence thingy.i used to use a cadence/rear wheel computor when turbo training.i used to try and keep my revs in the 90/100 revs a minute range.i feel this has improved my pedaling although on the road i don't always keep my revs this high due to terain/wind etc.
however if you are going to road race you need to be able to suddenly up your revs to respond to attacks.a useful workout on the turbo is use a low gear and try to pedal at 120+ revs for 30 secs rest for a min the go again for 10 efforts.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on October 11, 2007, 08:11:54 pm
Once you've got your eye in and are feeling particularly stupid, I like to ride out of Sheffield up Ringinglow and over Stanage, through Bamford and over Mam Nick, then drop down to Chapel (nice long descent), get on the A6 for a bit towards Manchester then turn left down to Macclesfield and head home over the cat and fiddle to Buxton, then do a bit more A6 and come down Millers Dale then through Litton, back through Stoney and Baslow and back up the long drag underneath Gardoms. I my experience, this makes your legs hurt. A lot. And makes you walk like John Wayne for several hours afterwards.

 :bow:

"Once you've got your eye in and are feeling particularly stupid, I like to ride out of Sheffield up Ringinglow and over Stanage, through Bamford"... and then struggle back past fox house is good enough for my junior start up outings!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 14, 2007, 10:28:48 pm
below is a copy of a post I've put on a uk roadcycling forum, it's not the busiest but seems a good forum... you lot seems to be the fonts all knowledge and so i'm keen to read what you have to say...

"I've had a road bike for about 6 months now, and i'm well into it. My goals are do some sportives next spring & summer, and enjoy the whole thing, so i'm trying to get a bit fitter.

My work commute gives me 80 miles a week, other sports permitting i'm then out for 35 or so miles one morning at the weekend. I intend to extend this a lot in times to come.

Now, I have a computer problem, the Cateye CC HR200DW Wireless I got this year has failed me. I'm more than a bit agrieved but the HRM has failed. It's not the battery - it's just dead. Not amused as I've lost the recepit...

But, I have been given the long term lease of an elite Mag turbo trainer, which is good because I was doubting i'd get to work all the time by bike in winter.

Soooo, what I'm asking for is a reliable (preferably water resistant, ish..) combined wireless HRM, computer and wireless cadance gadget.
I want all the bike computer / cadance stuff to work off the back wheel, so my turbo stats can be worked on over the winter.

It would be nice if the data is able to be up loaded / imported and analysed, (but it would have to be Mac compatible software,) this is not an essential.

I realise this may be a fairly expensive purchase, but i've just saved £130 or so on the turbo, so it wont feel quite so bad!"

so guys, is there such a gadget out there?? if not, what suggestions do you have...

ta!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 14, 2007, 10:33:36 pm
ha. well, i use a polar 720i. wireless, uploadable (but not mac, so i don't bother) and annoyingly short range. for example i had the watch bit and the wireless receiver on opposite sides of the bars and it wouldn't pick it up. so, great tool, but not what you require it would seem.

whay don't you get a nice cycleops wireless power meter? very very expensive (ok, less than srm cranks) but suitably scientific for sir...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 14, 2007, 11:29:25 pm
hmmm


i'll be looking, but one presumes that this gadget could be more than the cost of my frame.... time to re-evaluate my position ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 15, 2007, 08:41:51 am
i've only used a wired rear wheel computor and a seperate h/r monitor.i just put up with the crap look of cable every where.i don't bother now with  cadence as i'm fairly sure i'm pedaling in the 90/100 revs range when i'm using the turbo also i'm not trying to get race fit.if your only going for sportives i wouldn't get too hung up on it all.i would just stick with some of those workouts i posted earlier and every now and again try them using a bigger gear/more resistance that would give you an idea how well your progressing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 15, 2007, 09:13:54 am
good advice webbo... i just need something to focus on, never mind replace my HRM  :(

what about one of these? not unduly eexpensive for what you get IMO

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360027225&N=Polar%20CS200cad%20Wireless%20Heart%20Rate%20Cycle%20Computer

i know i'll not get speed and distance on the turbo, but i'll get cadance and HR... that should stop me slacking!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 15, 2007, 09:29:10 am
i rate polar monitors they seem to last longer than some of the others.you might need to check whether the cadence feature is wireless.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 15, 2007, 12:34:26 pm
i have, it is...

i'm havin it.

 ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 15, 2007, 07:38:27 pm
Good choice! I have one, and its the shit. However, if I had been able to afford one (as in not balked at the expense!) I would have got the next one up, which has got the altimeter in it too. A nice feature that will tell you how many metres of climbing you do each ride, climbing rate (metres per hour), etc, etc.
Totally spurious data that is largely irrelevant, but absolutely essential to anybody like me who's a gear freak and likes techy stuff (although I'm also a Luddite who can't work stuff properly when I get it - ask Dobbin who spent 30 mins on the phone to me this morning trying to help me set up a new router!)
I got the monitor on your link Fatdoc, but also have a Polar altimeter watch so I got all my bases covered! I'm surprised I ever get the bike to move, the weight of the electronics I'm packing!
By the way, I spent a painful 2 hours in the velodrome last night, (before a mad dash back to Sheffield for the second half of the film at The Works) and during sprint half laps during the track skills session managed to get my heart rate to 198! I may go for the big 200 next week....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 15, 2007, 10:10:00 pm
cool.

 that velodrome shit is just scary...

thought about the computer model you have, and even i found it hard to justify... maybe for the alps year after next (i have a long term plan here)

i'm really hoping the polar has more longevity than my old cateye...

i'm a bit frantic a the mo... ALL my riding data is in a exercise book, somewhere in the house... and I've lost it!!

It's possible my bike diary has entered a school bag and now resides in the local primary school... i'm considering burglary!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on October 18, 2007, 10:30:49 am

Have all you shavers seen that new, very posh looking bike shop opening at the bottom of Greystones Road? "La Bicycletta" or something? Sorry if it's old news, was just passing by yesterday...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 18, 2007, 12:58:45 pm
oh shit.

didnt know it was open yet....

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on October 18, 2007, 04:07:36 pm

It's not open but looking very close to being so - lots of posh looking kit inside.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on October 18, 2007, 08:23:25 pm

Have all you shavers seen that new, very posh looking bike shop opening at the bottom of Greystones Road? "La Bicycletta" or something? Sorry if it's old news, was just passing by yesterday...

oh yes! its just down the road from me. It looks awesome - proper bespoke stylee amazingness. Have seen quite a bit of kit in their, they must be an internet based co.? its defo bike pr0n.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 18, 2007, 09:20:06 pm
Aren't those the guys who import Hed wheels/frames, and other exotica? I think they normally have a full page ad in each weeks Cycling Weekly. Get those wallets ready boys - operation 'Deep Ream' is about to commence.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on October 19, 2007, 10:30:48 am

Think I saw Hed wheels in the window :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on October 19, 2007, 12:38:48 pm
Cycled past this morning suited and booted, with hangover (thanks Bubs & Fatboy), looked in the window.  You should have seen the look of disgust I got when they realised I was on a proper hardtail.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on October 19, 2007, 01:11:03 pm
btw just gave every roadie who posted on here punter points cos a) I've got hangover, b) I'm at work, c) you're all gay.    :wank:

ta ra for now
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 19, 2007, 01:47:30 pm
respect to fatboy getting your lightweight beer capacity exceeded last night, as i believe he is at this moment now on a plane to colorado to celebrate his 40th with Blunk et al!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on October 19, 2007, 01:57:42 pm
unfortunately its not very hard to exceed my beer capacity these days since my liver appears to be fucked!!! :alky:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on October 19, 2007, 03:38:46 pm
Is a hardtail the same as a roadbike then ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 19, 2007, 03:56:16 pm
Cycled past this morning suited and booted, with hangover (thanks Bubs & Fatboy), looked in the window.  You should have seen the look of disgust I got when they realised I was on a proper hardtail.  :thumbsup:

who is this sharlatan...?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 19, 2007, 05:36:44 pm
I thought a 'proper hardtail' was an expression used in more liberated gentlemens clubs. There no place for that sort of filthy talk in this discussion. How dare you....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 22, 2007, 08:57:00 am
Managed to break one of my Look cleats whilst doing sprint half laps nat the Velodrome last night - its quite spicy pulling your foot out whilst sprinting out of the saddle . Obviously, like any experienced bike handler I took the ride big style, got flipped and ended up whizzing across the infield on my arse with the bike still attached to my left leg, heading straight towards the coaches who luckily got out of the way pretty quick! Falling off indoors is a far smoother experience than on the road - more of a deep burn than the usual gravel rash... Particularly gutted that I had my best pair of Assos shorts on, which must now be put in the bin - large hole surrounded by crispy burnt nylon. Some of the black material from the shorts seems to have melted itself into the track rash on my hip which is both interesting, and also bloody painful! Got out on the road at last on Saturday morning too - a lovely weekend for riding (but also unfortunately for the grit making it a pretty hectic schedule!)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on October 22, 2007, 11:50:37 am
Ouch  :jaw: sounds uncomfortable. Time to break open the gauze dressings, they are the bollocks for that type in injury.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on October 22, 2007, 12:33:02 pm
Just heading out now for a lunchtime ride  :) having not been in the saddle for nearly three weeks....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 22, 2007, 02:27:51 pm
top weekend...

bouldered saturday, rode sunday  ;D, nearly froze to death descending into the mist filled valleys of the peak at 9a.m., swear it was well below freezing down there at that time...i've not looked forward to a long climb quite so much before, at least it kept me warm!

perc, that sounds horrendous!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on October 22, 2007, 04:29:06 pm
Did anyone read this article in the Sunday Times yesterday, re the Etape du Tour?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article2690582.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article2690582.ece)

sounds like a life's worth of training (or percy's velodrome sessions...) to make it happen without dying. 196km & 5000m of ascent. that's some crazy stats going on. :jaw:

the route for the next year is announced this week @ www.letapedutour.com (http://www.letapedutour.com)
. something aspire to on the winter training sessions!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 23, 2007, 08:59:35 am
Obviously, like any experienced bike handler I took the ride big style, got flipped and ended up whizzing across the infield on my arse with the bike still attached to my left leg, heading straight towards the coaches who luckily got out of the way pretty quick! Falling off indoors is a far smoother experience than on the road - more of a deep burn than the usual gravel rash..

the sound of a bike hitting the deck and skidding across the road is one of the those things that instantley makes me want to puke.similar to the sound of a body hitting rock.however it is preferable to experiencing it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 23, 2007, 10:36:48 am
Aye - not so pleasant an experience. I'm in tatters today - enough time has passed for a nice infection to have set in, making my whole hip particularly stiff and achey.

What's the deal with the new shop in Greystones - is it open? It looks like a private members club for rich roadies.... thousands of £'s worth of carbon and titanium in the window, and an intercom thing on the locked doors. No entry without a credit check?!?!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 23, 2007, 11:17:50 am
right, i have cold weather clothing urges...

where exactly is this haven of expense and depravity!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 23, 2007, 11:39:47 am
OMFG

have seen this stuff??

http://www.rapha.cc/?gclid=CO2FiJLlpI8CFRoeEgodDzFBSw

apparently they come up a bit small, awesome jackets or what....

shame they're over £200!!!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on October 23, 2007, 01:18:50 pm

where exactly is this haven of expense and depravity!!

old corner shop about 100 yards up Greystones Road, on the right. 

As Percy said you'll need your credit check to get in!  Saw them yesterday morning driving into work in they're swanky new silver van.  Fucker nearly knocked me off my proper hardtail as he pulled straight out of Greystones Drive across the road to get to the shop to by his Times and bagels!  It was probably them then that pulled the windscreen wiper off my car later in the day - not that I'm jumping to conclusions or anything.

Bastard roadies  :rtfm:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on October 23, 2007, 01:57:07 pm
Rapha kit is quality  Its ridiculously overpriced tho
I reckon the best thing is to wait until they have a sale/offer thing
A couple of years ago I got a LS training top, LS Merino base layer/casual thing and arm warmers all for £120
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 24, 2007, 09:29:43 am
They have a quote from Tim Krabbe / The Rider on their site. If you haven't read then you should...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on October 24, 2007, 09:55:18 am
Reduced price track mitts-£70-£80 wtf  :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on October 24, 2007, 10:35:27 am

I think only audiophiles surpass cyclists in geeky gear freakyness :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 24, 2007, 10:15:31 pm
Went into La Bicicleta today - very nice guys, but far too much very expensive stuff. I highly recommend that nobody ever goes, unless you are prepared to spend a large quantity of cash. I was lucky to get away without a purchase, although they nearly got me with the Cinelli track frame and the Zipp wheels..... rotters!

Its like the top self in the newsagents, but for roadies. Absolute filth!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on October 24, 2007, 11:00:55 pm
Talk about red rag to a bull - no doubt I'll be there tomorrow then

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on October 24, 2007, 11:06:46 pm
I'm assuming that there a few people who ride compacts for this next question.
I had my new Ultegra (with compact chainset) groupset fitted today. Went out for a blast tonite. Have to say I was a little disappointed. It was as smooth as you like, but in the smaller cogs on both chain rings I was experiencing chainrub.
I've had a compact before,  but assumed the chainrub was because of various parts of a groupsets assembled over the years, so not quite synching correctly, slightly different sizes etc.
This is brand new, fitted by trained mechanics etc.
have they done a bad job or is everyone's compact groupset like that ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 25, 2007, 10:21:16 am
your mechanic's shite... your chainline is out... fucking basic error.

my veloce is fine...

only rub is front ring and biggest sproket, and it's minimal.

personally i find it hard to say sheff j e james can fit a groupset with any degree of care or attention..

take it to stanley fearns or decathlon...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on October 25, 2007, 10:44:49 am
so fat doc, you gonna get some of that rapha stuff? its incredible, that website is dynamite. what an amazing concept a company based on a romantic aesthetic of suffering!
does anyone have any experience of condor bikes? they seem good value for the money?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 25, 2007, 11:01:49 am
 :o

is this another member of the forum coing out as a lyrca loving man about town??

i didnt know it was your bag matey.... nice one!

i'm not going for the rapha stuff... got a lurvvly assos gary glitter type jacket, the windblock one (sale in chesser j e jemes) very gay indeed!!

probs going for assos lobster overgloves soon, so i can keep my fav gell padded gloves on underneath... hmmm new gear...hmmm..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on October 25, 2007, 11:03:14 am
Yay! Pay through the nose to look like a cunt  :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on October 25, 2007, 11:24:05 am
i want a commuting steed, and one i can burn my friends off on, if i can look like a gallic legend of the alps then that'd be cool too! plus that ride to work shit is my friend! but yeah i'm still into cranking!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 25, 2007, 11:26:03 am
I'm assuming that there a few people who ride compacts for this next question.
I had my new Ultegra (with compact chainset) groupset fitted today. Went out for a blast tonite. Have to say I was a little disappointed. It was as smooth as you like, but in the smaller cogs on both chain rings I was experiencing chainrub.
I've had a compact before,  but assumed the chainrub was because of various parts of a groupsets assembled over the years, so not quite synching correctly, slightly different sizes etc.
This is brand new, fitted by trained mechanics etc.
have they done a bad job or is everyone's compact groupset like that ?

no when you get a compact they presume you will be too weak to use the small cogs. :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 25, 2007, 07:58:37 pm
webbo - you git  ;), there are some of use on here that have yet to get the power for the bigger peak climbs without the use of a compact. Interestingly there seems to be SO much british snobbery over doubles vs comnpact vs triples... not a big deal in the pyrenees apparently (spanish mate, ridden all his life.... astounded at the UK arse on over triples.. laughs as he hears stories of shagged knees... and he's an orthopeadic surgeon!!!)

bubba, if i didnt want your children i'd -ve karma you for that... I know you're simply in denial... remembe those lyrca BIB SHORTS you used to downhill in mate? I for one will never forget!!

salfbeef: welcome... I got mine *for commuting*, I now have 3 sportives planned for next year, and probs 3 short audax's... I'm also gonna try to get into this year's etapecaledonia.... welcome to the ukroadiebouldering fraternity  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on October 25, 2007, 08:10:18 pm
bubba, if i didnt want your children i'd -ve karma you for that... I know you're simply in denial... remembe those lyrca BIB SHORTS you used to downhill in mate? I for one will never forget!!
True but i am now reformed :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 25, 2007, 10:37:01 pm
now then.
it is my birthday coming up so i may come into some money if my rentals think i have been nice enough to them.
i am attracted to the idea of a single speed bike to ride to work on, more to the point to build one myself up so i can get some practice doing bike building stuff.
does anyone have any experience doing such tasks?
i see that some parts are avaliable on chainreaction.com and such like. (chain tensioners etc...)
basically i just want a bit of advice...where for example can i get a frame and forks from, £150 from ribble (any cheaper? im not sure weight is really an issue...)
oh, i want it to free wheel too, i take it that that is possible?!


in the mean time, as a thankyou, i present you with this:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8867862777896510907&q=bicycle+trick+riding
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 26, 2007, 08:05:24 am
These have been highly recommended by those in the know.
http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=187&MMN_position=278:278
It is a fixed wheel bike, but I'm sure it could be changed if you asked nicely. Mind you, riding a fixed wheel bike is very good for you.....honest! Just don't forget to keep pedalling at all times or it will be a painful learning curve........
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on October 26, 2007, 09:24:25 am
Salt beef Condor bikes -London based heard mixed reviews, from really good to arrogant shit.
You could try the new place on Greystones Road, looks like where one may buy an armani suit. Lord knows how they expect to make money. There were 2 chaps in there doing naff all the other day.

Compact / triple ring = Weak. AKA Granny ring for obvious reasons. Fair enough in the alps maybe.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 26, 2007, 11:05:33 am
Salt beef Condor bikes -London based heard mixed reviews, from really good to arrogant shit.
You could try the new place on Greystones Road, looks like where one may buy an armani suit. Lord knows how they expect to make money. There were 2 chaps in there doing naff all the other day.

Compact / triple ring = Weak. AKA Granny ring for obvious reasons. Fair enough in the alps maybe.



snob


no offence, but


you are a snob. You try getting the strength to ride up the hills of the peak from a zero aerobic exercise base on a double... i know it's not the alps but when you have to actually get up the damn hills to do a ride from home options are limited. This isnt a thread of one upmanship.. most of us here ride for fitness to then climb. I know many really fit lads that have got a double who ride in the peak and really suffered, I also know may etape finishers that use compacts... yeah, i'm sure they're really weak... this is exactly what i was reffering to above - you have displayed the point perfectly, thank you.   ::) Where do live? essex??  ;)

saltbeef,

forget the new place in greystones, set your budget and get to stanley fearns in matlock, they stock bianchi, wilier and trek.... best honest advice i've ever had, way the best service... the idea that they would balls up fitting a new groupset (a la Dolly and j e james) is inconcievable.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 26, 2007, 11:12:49 am
now then.
it is my birthday coming up so i may come into some money if my rentals think i have been nice enough to them.
i am attracted to the idea of a single speed bike to ride to work on, more to the point to build one myself up so i can get some practice doing bike building stuff.
does anyone have any experience doing such tasks?
i see that some parts are avaliable on chainreaction.com and such like. (chain tensioners etc...)
basically i just want a bit of advice...where for example can i get a frame and forks from, £150 from ribble (any cheaper? im not sure weight is really an issue...)
oh, i want it to free wheel too, i take it that that is possible?!


in the mean time, as a thankyou, i present you with this:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8867862777896510907&q=bicycle+trick+riding

if you want a singlespeed then you want to get a bike with horizontal drop-outs, so you can adjust the position of the back wheel to keep the chain correctly tensioned. you can get tensioners so you can use a normal frame, but it looks a bit shit, and seeing as half the point of a singlespeed bike is posing you're going to lose out there...

i would get a shop to fit the forks / headset / face the frame. but putting the rest of it together would be v straightforward. 

freewheeling is no problem. if you get a flip/flob hub you can have both on the same wheel - you just flip the wheel around whether you want to freewheel or not. have a look at this - http://www.63xc.com/hubchoice/willhubs.htm

i was going to build a fixed wheel tourer earlier this year, but i decided that my knees might be a bit fragile for that kind of thing...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on October 26, 2007, 12:45:00 pm
Chill fatdoc, I was only kidding. I've never ridden a compact or triple, so can't comment.
I do live in Sheffield and ride most of the peak as training, and have thought about changing to  a compact.

I agree Stanleys is the place to go. Good honest advice, and they really know about the bikes they are selling. No shit just the advice you need. They let you test bikes for a whole day quite often, which is great. But a single speed, you obviously don't live near a hill or something.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 26, 2007, 03:56:35 pm
All this said, I have just placed my order for a new track bike with the guys at La Bicicleta. Operation Deep Ream was a complete success. They saw me coming, prepared themselves and scored a direct hit. They can spot a sucker for Italian framesets a mile off! However, I am quite excited at the prospect of an awesome new bike to throw myself from at high speed.... :bounce:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 26, 2007, 04:35:35 pm
what track frame did you get?

i am in a state of extreme elation. i have been after a retro racer for a while. (actually, i would quite like an old school bmx as well. and a nice early neon mountain bike.) anyway, when i go out for a fun ride with some not so frequent riders, i thought it would be fun to load up on speed and brandy and get medieval with a more old fashioned gentleman's racer. something like a colnago mexico, preferably with racing history.  i can but dream...

however, a bloke at work informed me the other day that he had a relatives bike in his shed, and asked if i would consider taking it off him for a small sum. i agreed, but was fairly convinced that it would be utter shite.

he left it down in the factory for me to have a look at, and i have just been down to give it an inspection.

it is pure 80s sex. it's like a cross between weird science, ghostbusters, dynasty, samantha fox and a lambourghini countach liquidized and poured into a bicycle shaped mould. (it might actually be early 90s, but anyway)

it's a vitus 992. apparently andre tchmil won paris-roubaix on one of these bad boys, and sean kelly did the 92 milan-san remo on one as well. lugged and glued aluminium. neon cable outers. down tube shifters. turbo saddle. flux capacitor.

photo to follow. it's mine...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 26, 2007, 04:55:28 pm
The frame is a Cinelli Vigorelli - I resisted the HED wheels to go with it though!
I got given an 18 year old Colnago International by a good friend of mine who doesn't ride anymore. I'm ashamed to say that I mostly use it as a training bike on the turbo though. The good quality retro bike is a beautiful thing though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 26, 2007, 05:02:14 pm
tut tut...

i would nearly swap my litespeed for this -

(http://www.raydobbins.com/mexicooro/photos/photo1.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 26, 2007, 05:09:48 pm
i want this too...

(http://www.alansbmx.com/popup_image.php?pID=5361)

on a bmx note, has anyone seen joe kid on a stingray? it is rad...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 26, 2007, 05:12:19 pm
der..

(http://www.alansbmx.com/images/dxr-ripper1.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on October 26, 2007, 07:19:05 pm
i just rode the glentress black.   :bounce: but  :yawn: (not bored, knackered)

It always amazes me the bikes you see some people on to ride the blue trail or to push along in your way on the run in to the car park. Like money grows on trees.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 26, 2007, 07:22:28 pm
My Colnago is the spit of the Mexico - albeit without the gold back end and lugs. My International is chromed where the Mexico is blinged, but apart from that its pretty much identical. Same groupset, saddle, wheels,etc, etc. Even has the chainrings engraved with Ernesto Colnago's moniker. Your right Yos, its a shame to leave it on the turbo. Next summer i'll give it an overhaul, sort out the rust spots coming through the chrome and get it back out on the road.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 26, 2007, 07:29:43 pm
a shame?!  man, that is the bicycle equivalent of a mapplethorpe original... it deserves to be ridden. in the open. preferably under the tuscan sun.

re the vitus - i'm going to get a big ol' ass pair of fluorescent oakleys and a pink lycra skinsuit. and old white shoes. i think i might try to launch a retro time trial league. at least then i will have an excuse for being crap....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 26, 2007, 07:32:27 pm
clm - this is one of the most frustrating things about cycling of any type. As a youngun I so wanted an awesome bike, but made do with a shit one and revelled in whizzing past old punters on their £5K road bikes or cruising past even fatter punters on thousands of pounds worth of state-of-the-art freeride bikes. It was so obvious that all the money you throw at a bike don't make you ride it any better. Now I'm older and have worked my arse off to get some money I can afford the nice bike I always wanted as a kid, but the process of earning the cash means that now I'm not so fit due to work getting in the way of riding, so I now live in fear of being overtaken by some young spunker on a £150 Halfords pile of shit bike just like I used to do. It hasn't happened yet, but I'm living on borrowed time. It will!

Oh, the irony.... :boohoo:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 26, 2007, 08:03:36 pm
i have located an old dawes bike to switch over to single speed. i will be doing this with the help of kit from "charlie the bike monger". the bike doesnt have the desired dropouts, but i cant complain since it is free...
i have emailed charlie, and he is most helpfull, and his website is quite funny. he is going to sort me out an all i need kit for 48quid.

percy, that bike you linked is nice, but beyond my budget (maybe 100quid if i am lucky). thanks tho, that is a target to aim for with my construction job.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 27, 2007, 08:51:55 am
percy,

with this bike and sam's evo i would suggest the climbingworks was one of youe better ideas. good effort matey!

All this retro stuff is a bit lost on me, but i would be keen for some pink oakleys, to set off the red and black thing i have going on..

some questions for you all here:

dolly has ensured me a place in the alps next summer, long weekend... riding  :'(. not my usual french DH lift assisted fun, but "real" bike type riding   :'( :'(

Now, i realise at this moment in time i would surely die.... sooooo dolly (who really does have a lot to answer for) then suggests Italian holiday en famile... with beaches, guided rides in the a.m., great food (as you know v v v important for me) in the early spring to get fit..


anyone done the family a.m. ride in the morning, be a dad in the afternoon thing?? type holiday?? I was thinking for otherwise 5 days in majorca ????  not sure...


Chill fatdoc, I was only kidding. I've never ridden a compact or triple, so can't comment.
I do live in Sheffield and ride most of the peak as training, and have thought about changing to  a compact.

I agree Stanleys is the place to go. Good honest advice, and they really know about the bikes they are selling. No shit just the advice you need. They let you test bikes for a whole day quite often, which is great. But a single speed, you obviously don't live near a hill or something.

get a compact matey, your knees will love you forever!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on October 27, 2007, 10:11:16 am
pink oakleys
oh my god!

not my usual french DH lift assisted fun, but "real" bike type riding
stop this sickness now!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on October 27, 2007, 10:26:13 am
Fatdoc bin the Oakleys get some rudy project shades, far cooler and cheaper than oakleys.

http://www.thespecsplace.co.uk/

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 27, 2007, 01:40:50 pm
pink oakleys
oh my god!

not my usual french DH lift assisted fun, but "real" bike type riding
stop this sickness now!

hmmmmm.......pink.... and lycra hmmmmm......  :devangel:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 27, 2007, 01:57:25 pm
and green too....

(http://homepage.mac.com/bs7ueno/oakley/old/eyeshade.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 27, 2007, 03:41:25 pm
watch out chaps....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/26/nsex126.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/26/nsex126.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox)

i wonder if it's still illegal if the frame is more than 16 years old?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: andy_e on October 27, 2007, 05:10:07 pm
 :o

Quote
He is not the first man to be convicted of a sexual offence involving an inanimate object, however.

Karl Watkins, an electrician, was jailed for having sex with pavements in Redditch, Worcs, in 1993.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 27, 2007, 05:28:39 pm
i wonder if it was a manhole...?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on October 27, 2007, 11:27:11 pm
by the way, did this pass you lot by.  a north west tonight special!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article367345.ece :goodidea:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on October 28, 2007, 08:10:55 am
This however is not a good idea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkPPyDtWJc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkPPyDtWJc)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on October 28, 2007, 10:57:29 pm
Thats gotta hurt. Reminds me of the big H's crash speed skiing.

This however is not a good idea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkPPyDtWJc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkPPyDtWJc)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on October 29, 2007, 12:01:25 pm
Have a look at these nutters

http://www.digave.com/
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 02, 2007, 11:47:49 am
Thats gotta hurt. Reminds me of the big H's crash speed skiing.

This however is not a good idea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkPPyDtWJc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkPPyDtWJc)

You reckon that was a carbon or Al frame?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: philo on November 02, 2007, 03:59:24 pm
Have a look at these nutters

http://www.digave.com/


http://www.digave.com/videos/mxhwy-digave_com.mpg this one, dangerous as!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 03, 2007, 04:52:48 pm
Or how about a commute sat on your arse?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phXSTENW4jk


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Paul B on November 04, 2007, 04:23:48 pm
Can I ask the "leg shaver's of this site" what the cycling etiquette is with regards to riding in peletons and cars? I just followed a peleton up past Froggat and it was impossible to get past safely for absoloutely ages (not just 5 minutes before anyone gets grumpy). Now I understand they probably ride like that for their protection but this was taking the piss a little.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on November 04, 2007, 05:21:14 pm
My Dad's just been put in hospital by a 16 year old kid on bike with no lights, only one working brake, riding on the pavement. A friend of Mrs Obi's mum just died from cracking his head on the pavement after being knocked over by a cyclist in London. Risking you own life biking in heavy traffic is good fun, I've been there, but killing and injuring pedestrians is not really that clever is it. Be careful out there.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: GCW on November 04, 2007, 05:23:25 pm
And there was me thinking riding a bike on the pavement was illegal   :shrug:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 04, 2007, 05:26:54 pm
My Dad's just been put in hospital by a 16 year old kid on bike with no lights, only one working brake, riding on the pavement. A friend of Mrs Obi's mum just died from cracking his head on the pavement after being knocked over by a cyclist in London. Risking you own life biking in heavy traffic is good fun, I've been there, but killing and injuring pedestrians is not really that clever is it. Be careful out there.

that sort of behaviour is just not on...

last year a 9 year old was tanking it down my pavement (on a big hill), i reversed out, he hit van... hard. no helemet, poor brakes (i fixed them for him!). i now a have a 9 year  olds dent / impression on the side of my van  >:( we even took him to the hosser to get checked out. ruined my day i can tell you.  had to register accident with the police etc...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 04, 2007, 07:12:08 pm
Riding in a bunch on busy roads where its hard for cars to overtake on a very busy Sunday is pretty thoughtless to say the least. I think in this case use of the word peleton (implying a group of experienced riders moving at speed) may well not be appropriate - more like a big bunch of bikers hogging the road. Mind you, its a free country..... it could have been some 99 year old out for a potter in their model-T hogging the road instead. As the last few posts have all highlighted, there are loads of cyclists about who act inconsiderately. I think its important (for me personally at least) to make sure I'm not one of them. Its always the minority of tosspots who give the majority a bad name. C'est la vie!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Paul B on November 04, 2007, 09:52:37 pm
sorry for incorrectly using a cycling tech term   :-[ there were a lot of them... all wearing similar jerseys so i'm guessing some kind of club.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 06, 2007, 10:22:37 am
some local chain gang...

ive had a run in, two mornings in a row with two wanker taxi drivers who insist that i must ride absolutely in the gutter or else i will get a car VERY close to me before a beep as they pass giving me the finger. funny how no other car driver has ever complained about how i ride on the road. also, i dont like car drivers who insist on passing on a round-a-bout. not fun.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 06, 2007, 10:36:54 am
I know that some of you drive cars;  but please, let's be aggreed:  car drivers are cunts.




Motorcyclists pay good road tax too.   Blows me away how many car drivers forget they drive a steel box. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on November 06, 2007, 10:44:49 am
I know that some of you drive cars;  but please, let's be aggreed:  car drivers are cunts.

Bus drivers are bigger cunts...


Blows me away how many car drivers forget they drive a steel box. 

...and drive bigger steel boxes too, and are completely unaware of the length of their vehicle and ignorant of the Highway code which states...

Quote

163

Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should

    * not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake
    * use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and then start to move out
    * not assume that you can simply follow a vehicle ahead which is overtaking; there may only be enough room for one vehicle
    * move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking, once you have started to overtake. Allow plenty of room. Move back to the left as soon as you can but do not cut in

Give vulnerable road users at least as much space as you would a car

    * take extra care at night and in poor visibility when it is harder to judge speed and distance
    * give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road
    * only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
    * stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left
    * give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you  would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211-215)

Remember: Mirrors – Signal – Manoeuvre
212

When passing motorcyclists and cyclists, give them plenty of room (see Rules 162-167). If they look over their shoulder it could mean that they intend to pull out, turn right or change direction. Give them time and space to do so.

213

Motorcyclists and cyclists may suddenly need to avoid uneven road surfaces and obstacles such as drain covers or oily, wet or icy patches on the road. Give them plenty of room and pay particular attention to any sudden change of direction they may have to make.


Given up bothering to write to First Mainline and now challenge the drivers themselves as to why they got so close, most are a bunch of  :wank: 's though, and probably couldn't even  :rtfm: the Highway Code.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 06, 2007, 10:56:28 am
I know that some of you drive cars;  but please, let's be aggreed:  car drivers are cunts.

Nah, i don't agree at all - i'm very courteous around bikes, etc.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 06, 2007, 11:01:31 am
But you ride, Bubs.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 06, 2007, 07:18:42 pm
Lorry drivers are as bad as bus drivers. I got knocked off by some cunt who forgot about his large trailer behind him. Then to top it off the twat in the car behind, stopped laughed, told me to get a car and drove off. While I dusted myself down with large cut to my leg. Most drivers are inpatient wankers who think getting somewhere two minutes earlier will make such a difference to their life. The other thing thats happened recently is drivers moving there cars so you can't get passed when they are stuck in a queue of traffic.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Paul B on November 06, 2007, 07:27:19 pm
how many groups of people can we stereotype in one thread?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 06, 2007, 09:22:36 pm
May I mention the Jews?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 06, 2007, 10:25:00 pm
how many groups of people can we stereotype in one thread?

dunno, but it's going well so far, may I mention midwives?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 06, 2007, 11:06:32 pm
when i was riding south from hanoi down what to all intents and purposes was a motorway, i was amazed at the behaviour of the truck drivers. they would pull out so far to avoid me that they frequently set themselves on a collision course with another equally massive oncoming truck. i was most grateful, especially as it was raining most of the time and i didn't especially want to get hit with a load of greasy muddy water from their tyres....

so not all truck drivers are cunts.

that said, when a small cow ran out in front of me and then dived under my front wheel, i very nearly ended up under the wheels of an oncoming artic...

re the groups of roadies, i think there is a mindset that develops. especially after being hooted a lot unnecessarily. when you're in a group you feel (relatively) invulnerable. thus, i think lots of roadies use that invulnerability to take it out on innocent motorists by filling the road with colourful lycra as if to say, "Hello, you're not going anywhere fast."
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 07, 2007, 06:57:48 pm
Certainly fatdoc midwives should be mentioned. How about the Germans or the French?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 07, 2007, 07:40:18 pm
Germans most definitely shave.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 07, 2007, 11:37:31 pm
hanoi

Always wanted to go to Hanoi.

Hanoi sounds fucking cool, how cool is Hanoi?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 07, 2007, 11:44:58 pm
Pretty cool...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 07, 2007, 11:49:47 pm
Sorry got over excited about Asia again.  Hanoi!  Too many 'Nam flix.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 07, 2007, 11:54:12 pm
(http://broken.dyndns.org/~mjp/blogpics/smaller-DSCF0306.JPG)

They're nits.  Nuts.  Though I have seen five-up, not in Hanoi mind.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 08, 2007, 01:05:18 pm
Anyone ever thought of riding a single speed or fixed around sheffield. There must be some nutter who has done it on here. I had one when I lived down south but sold it when I moved here.

Houdini I saw five on a motor-bike near Beauchef the other day!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 08, 2007, 11:06:43 pm

so not all truck drivers are cunts.
Agreed.

Truck drivers are in general the best drivers on the road - it's pretty hard to get your LGV licences - i've got my class C and have so far had one fail at C+E - believe me if you can't drive really really well you don't get to drive lorries.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 08, 2007, 11:10:00 pm
The exception to the rule is my sister.  She drove HGVs for the forces.  Proper blind: 13:13 if she's lucky.  Elmer Fudd barm-pot infront of a fuel tanker.  Now civvy, watch yo ass. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 08, 2007, 11:58:51 pm
At the er.. slight risk of getting back  on topic, today I bought a titanium frame, god I hope its worth the money.
Me and Fatdoc have also confirmed our trip to the Alps in July.
Anyone ridden the Telegraphe/Galibier ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on November 09, 2007, 08:22:22 am
dolly, you're teasing us, where's the picture, dammit!!!1
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 09, 2007, 09:33:00 am
Dolly I want a Ti frame. what have you got?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 09, 2007, 09:41:03 am
At the er.. slight risk of getting back  on topic, today I bought a titanium frame, god I hope its worth the money.
Me and Fatdoc have also confirmed our trip to the Alps in July.
Anyone ridden the Telegraphe/Galibier ?

fuck me, I'm dead.  :'(

gonna have start taking this a bit more seriously... i.e: not dispatching 4 pints of abbott whilst talking abou the alps, but actually doinf some training to get up the bloody things, I'm truly scared.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 09, 2007, 10:20:47 am
fuck me, I'm dead.  :'(
Just sick in the head :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 09, 2007, 10:32:06 am
FD you need to buy some of these.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=18139&PartnerID=1410.

I'll post pics of the new bike in a bit.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 09, 2007, 10:44:52 am

I'm getting brainwashed by this topic - i was actually thinking "mmmm a road bike might be nice" the other day!

Luckily i'm totally skint so it'll never happen.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 09, 2007, 10:49:11 am
think we need a seperate mtb topic Bubba ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 09, 2007, 10:53:12 am

aye good idea :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 09, 2007, 11:02:29 am
good news is that soon i will be off the carbon bike for the winter when i get on my new (old) old school winter bike.
made my orders last night for the bits that i need...i have a german flag colour scheme going on...
a question:

originally i was going to make a single speed but going to keep the gears for this winter at least...the rear block is 6 speed (24 largest), and i need to get new wheels, ive looked, and it does not look possible to pick up wheels with a 6 speed freewheel/cassette. is it? (i dont want to spend more than 80 quid...)

i may go to ribble tomorrow to ask them, but best yet would be some advice from you boys....

 :kiss1:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on November 09, 2007, 11:03:26 am
too right........
all this talk of lycra is just plain wrong.
just to redress the balance

(http://a405.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/6/l_170bdb4ef06a27ccf3d79ce6cf6d9f24.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 09, 2007, 11:36:03 am
climbing really is quite safe these days isn't it?

where is that, had a quick look on gs and couldn't find it?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatboySlimfast on November 09, 2007, 11:58:15 am
Its near Bala and i think its on private land, might be the Atherton clans own farm!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 09, 2007, 09:12:39 pm

Yeah, that's the Atherton's big jump
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 09, 2007, 10:41:47 pm
Chappers go single speed. Don't go to ribble they are rubbish
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on November 09, 2007, 10:47:47 pm
Me and Fatdoc have also confirmed our trip to the Alps in July.
Anyone ridden the Telegraphe/Galibier ?
:o
muchos respect - i think you need to take whatever these mice have been taking...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=491241&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=491241&in_page_id=1770)

was in the dolomites in the summer and it was pretty inspiring stuff watching the sponsored teams with their support cars winding their way up the massive mountain passes. I'm sure you'll be very similar  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 09, 2007, 11:01:39 pm
Si Barone. (http://www.dangermouse.org/sounds/theworldismine.wav)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 09, 2007, 11:23:01 pm
Its fatdoc, or at least its what he needs to be to get up the galibier
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 10, 2007, 08:04:40 am
FD you need to buy some of these.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=18139&PartnerID=1410.

I'll post pics of the new bike in a bit.....

after lashing out £270 on my nuw do it all light y'day (www.exposurelights.com) I'm afraid it will 2 pay days before i can but new wheels... do look good though...

here's a question: factory built or local LBS???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on November 10, 2007, 12:11:19 pm
Its not cool, its not retro, its not single speed, its not fly but its my first road bike.

(http://84.19.224.75/products/full/00001076/00007814.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 10, 2007, 04:07:57 pm
one more convert to the pain, angst and suffering subculture of this forum..


and that's getting your lyrca on   :lol:

welcome..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 11, 2007, 07:29:19 pm
2500Kcal, 74 km and the sorest arse you can imagine... going to bed, I dont chaffe as much when laid down... metanium nappy rash cream is calming it all down a bit, once the agonising stinging has relented that is.

might resort to  :alky: and some painkillers as well.

I've found the meanest hill in the peak, descending it was terrifying! sir william hill road round the back of grindleford... goes direct up to the transmitter by abney, any of you locals climbed it??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 11, 2007, 07:56:31 pm
Not had the pleasure - I'll seek it out if I every get out on the bike again (busy week so no riding -  :'( )
Bloody hell Fatdoc, a sore batty after 74K? Have you installed the saddle or are you perched on the seat pin?!?! I recommend rubbing a shit load of chamois cream into the gusset of your bibs before your next ride - it works wonders for me. No more saddle soreness, and the rather spicey gingery feeling round the nethers makes those hills fly by! I use the Assos stuff on long rides and don't suffer with a sore bot - done a few 160K plus sportives and not been troubled in that department so there must be something in it.......(apart from ginger, of course...)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 11, 2007, 08:24:26 pm
yeah, more cream next time...

seems to be geting better,  :alky:


I need more hrs ( and i mean hrs and hrs) in the saddle i reckon, 2.5 hrs is fine... get much over 3 and I'm sore - not at the time - but later on in the day. I'll probs be fine tomorrow... weird one.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 11, 2007, 09:29:19 pm
Drinking is vital to recovery - I recommend red wine. At least 1 bottle is the key, in my extensve experience.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 12, 2007, 07:35:31 am
Bloody hell Fatdoc, a sore batty after 74K? Have you installed the saddle or are you perched on the seat pin?!?!

You need to see his saddle to understand:

(http://www.merrysaddles.com/images/bicycles/american_dream_saddle.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 12, 2007, 12:55:01 pm
aww.. now my secret is out  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 12, 2007, 07:37:58 pm
I bet you need a lot of chamois cream to sit on that without too much discomfort!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 12, 2007, 08:28:05 pm
Right I need to get some new bars for my lovely new Ti frame which will arrive on Wednesday. There's loads of bargains online at the moment. I want to spend about 50 -60 quid, get something as light and stiff as possible.
What do people ride or have ridden and would recommend ? I'm a bit unsure about flattened tops cos of adjusting angle etc. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: andy_e on November 12, 2007, 09:52:17 pm
too right........
all this talk of lycra is just plain wrong.
just to redress the balance

(http://a405.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/6/l_170bdb4ef06a27ccf3d79ce6cf6d9f24.jpg)

Saw a video of that boy doing a downhill course which involved going into a gold mine... Crazy stuff! He won too.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 12, 2007, 09:55:16 pm
Right I need to get some new bars for my lovely new Ti frame which will arrive on Wednesday. There's loads of bargains online at the moment. I want to spend about 50 -60 quid, get something as light and stiff as possible.
What do people ride or have ridden and would recommend ? I'm a bit unsure about flattened tops cos of adjusting angle etc. 
go on, just spend a much as you can mate!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 13, 2007, 04:15:19 pm
I'm a bit unsure about flattened tops cos of adjusting angle etc. 

Mate, you don't have enough hair for a flat top !
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 13, 2007, 05:35:13 pm
Cheeky fuck.
At last I've got a flat stomach eh ? ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 13, 2007, 09:07:35 pm
oooohhh

it's handbags and lycra out at dawn...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 14, 2007, 08:55:49 am
Don't go for the carbon wrapped bars there are for £50 -£60 Dolly. Heavy and shite as far as I've been led to believe. Plenty of nice lightweight stiff alloy bars out there though. These ones -
http://www.planet-x-bikes.com/road/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=59&MMN_position=285:283
are well within budget and should do the job. Got a nice groove in for routing the cables too, especially if you have Campag groupset (no more lumpy bar tape!) Planet X is nice and local too, but don't nip over to pick anything up - you will leave with far more than you went for, I speak from bitter experience. Like roadie heaven!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 14, 2007, 01:43:13 pm
Those look really good actually Percy.
Literally 4 minutes before you posted I'd ordered some of these though

http://www.tredz.co.uk/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=5511

Decided to go for the flat top even with the lack of hair
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 14, 2007, 01:45:00 pm
Meant to add in this link of review on roadcyclinguk just in case anyone else is interested

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2291/v/1/sp/

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 14, 2007, 01:48:57 pm
is there an eqivalant for campag??? they look well nice!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 14, 2007, 02:28:57 pm
i think when it says compatible for ergopower/sti that means campage/shimano.you should spend more time cleaning/looking at your bike than drooling over catolgues.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 14, 2007, 03:28:08 pm
Cheeky fuck.
At last I've got a flat stomach eh ? ;)

Not the one you were wearing last night though eh?  :kiss2:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 19, 2007, 09:19:35 pm
Have we all stopped going on our bikes
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 19, 2007, 09:32:26 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/bike.jpg)
winter ride.

question: brakes are a bit shit because when pulled, one pad stays against the rim rather than springing back. how do i cure this (dont suggest buying new brakes!!)?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 19, 2007, 09:34:50 pm
no still riding fatleg,

 but i've had a piss stinking cold for 5 days, spent 2 of them i bed and I havnt climbed for a week either  :(

going XC MTB with slimfast and his brother in law on saturday.... that's UKB XC..... not "just XC, but full on easy hill climbing and true DH inspired XC" ( not forgetting the M&S music for that bit), and the full face helmets and leg armour - he's from surrey, and I think he's going to die  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on November 19, 2007, 10:56:49 pm
question: brakes are a bit shit because when pulled, one pad stays against the rim rather than springing back. how do i cure this (dont suggest buying new brakes!!)?
Tricky one. Strip them down remembering where each washer goes, clean and lube them, make sure the rear inner most arm can pivot ok. There's not much chance to adjust most old-school side pull calipers, I always liked the old centre pull calipers, even though some people though they juddered more, I always found they were much more powerful. Why reluctant to change them?
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360030385&N=Shimano%20105%205600%20OE%20Front%20Road%20Brake
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 20, 2007, 11:11:15 am
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/bike.jpg)
winter ride.

question: brakes are a bit shit because when pulled, one pad stays against the rim rather than springing back. how do i cure this (dont suggest buying new brakes!!)?
i think you can slacken then off by fannying about with the nuts at the front off the brake which might help.mind the last time i had brakes like that robert millar was still a bloke.also given the length of stem you have out of your frame,either you've a bad back or the frames too small for you.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 20, 2007, 02:53:20 pm
hey hey i never said it was ideal, but for the money that it has cost i am happy. slowly but surely i am going to build a very nice winter bike.
ill try my best with the existing brakes but maybe next month i will get a set of 105's
ta
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 20, 2007, 03:18:09 pm
the cheaper shimano dual pivot brakes work well.i had some soras on my old winter machine,never felt i wasn't going to stop.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 20, 2007, 06:20:06 pm
Webbo thats a nice old machine. Did you buy it recently or have you had it ages a just done it up. I'm looking for a similar old machine to save my nice carbon bike from all the winter road shit about.
Fatdoc are you saying he's a southern poof then?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 20, 2007, 06:22:48 pm
yep.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 20, 2007, 11:18:28 pm
Ti frame delivered yesterday, today taken to Butterworth's on Abbeydale Road to be built up /swapped with kit off other bike.  He's got nothing else on but will be ready on Saturday !  :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 21, 2007, 09:09:42 am
oooohhhhhhhh........

suits you sir....


very nice
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 21, 2007, 01:16:36 pm
Bugger. Due to the a warehouse burning down a week or two ago, my bespoke track bike will not be ready for another two weeks - until the frame comes from Italy. I hope it will be worth the wait.....

What am I saying, I know it will be worth the wait, but I am getting very impatient!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 22, 2007, 08:27:20 am
I'm getting into riding on rollers instead of going on a turbo trainer on the dark wet evenings when I can't face going out, and its infinately more interesting than the turbo scene. The fact that you don't have to fanny about locking the back wheel of your bike into a machine and can get on a ride in a far more realistic way makes it much more 'fun'. Initially desperate to use because you have to learn to pedal smoothly, balance well and relax so you don't ride off the side of the rollers its a far more useful way of winter training if you are going to stay inside. There might not be as much resistance, but i reckon it is great for improving your general riding style and pedaling efficiency, and its particularly spicy riding at 30+mph in an enclosed space like my garage! They are also awesome as a warm-up facility on cold mornings... I got one of these
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/pop.asp?Code=TACXTRAI0300
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 22, 2007, 08:56:09 am
i used use rollers in t'old days before they invented turbo trainers and while they do improve your balance and pedaling technique.they do jack shit for your fitness and power.as for fannying around locking it in to the turbo,it takes me longer to put my shoes on than fit the bike to the turbo.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 22, 2007, 11:10:34 am
Ive had a cold the last week, not ridden or been on the turbo... not climbed either, went to wrks last night and all my skin came off in chunks!! lasted 10 problems max (good fun the new purples though)

to add insult to injury (and avoid getting up at 6:30 to commute) i'm out XC nightriding tonight. the guys i go out with will expecting some fit roadie.... i'll be burnt and dropped on the first tech climb I'm sure!!

it's amazing how you can go from a work commute PB to a total spaz in 10 day!!  :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 22, 2007, 12:03:58 pm
i'm out XC nightriding tonight. the guys i go out with will expecting some fit roadie.... i'll be burnt and dropped on the first tech climb I'm sure!!

i too are being groomed by the yorkshire gristone bouldering mountain bike team for cannon fodder.theres talk of a quick session at the wall then the red circuit at dolby,night riding at dolby and even a weekend in wales.i ask my self is it worth the pain and humiliation,never mind the dozens of spiders who will be made homeless when they are evicted from their retro titanium home.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on November 22, 2007, 12:09:23 pm
it's amazing how you can go from a work commute PB to a total spaz in 10 day!!  :'(

its amazing how you go from being a beast to injured in a second. you'll bounce back.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 22, 2007, 12:38:39 pm
you out XC tonite then FD ?
was thinking of works and beer , but...
who you going out with ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 22, 2007, 01:01:02 pm
jerry, then beer.... c'mon it'll be a larf, jerry wants out early, I've delayed him till 7, can you make it?

I got a new light to show
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 22, 2007, 01:24:03 pm
not that early mate.
8 is earliest.

Works for me - which pub after ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 22, 2007, 02:32:14 pm
i'll speak to jerry and luc, i'd be keener for the palais - for the abbott. i'll ring you after work. there's some cracking purples to fail on at the works, brush them well! really slippy y'day.. but not too hot. either desperate or very starightforeward...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 22, 2007, 05:45:50 pm
dolby

I think they mean Dalby :)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 22, 2007, 08:29:09 pm
dolby

I think they mean Dalby :)


i should know that having ridden,raced and even climbed up there.i must be traumatised by the thought of mountain biking again.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 22, 2007, 08:44:45 pm

Is the mtb any good there?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 22, 2007, 08:52:30 pm
it always used to be pretty good.however they have spent a lot of time and money creating new circuits and an area where you can do those jump things and break bits of your body and bike.which has just reminded me i broke my collar bone up there  when my front tire blew out at speed.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on November 22, 2007, 09:10:13 pm

Ouch!

I've seen a vid of the fun park bit - looks fun but not enough for a full day's entertainment - might have a wander up there on the hardtail sometime and drag the fatties out.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 23, 2007, 08:35:37 am
there is loads more trails and circuits outside the forrest up on the moors.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 23, 2007, 05:35:27 pm
Ti bike all built up, but.......
it needs a 30.8 or 30.9 mm seatpost.

Can't seem to find a carbon one on most of the popular on line sites. Anyone know where such a thing might exist ?
Failing that I'll just call Bianchi I guess
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 23, 2007, 05:57:23 pm
Easton do a couple of carbon seat posts in 30.9 - dunno where sells them mind but worth a Google i'm sure
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 23, 2007, 08:49:10 pm
WHAT...

no Ti seatpost????

why man?

why?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 24, 2007, 07:09:09 pm
Just had a quick squiz at this weeks cycling weekly, which informs me that training on rollers is now back in fashion as the way to train in the winter - fuck me, I'm doing something fasionable! Check me out :wave:
Also, I've got round to rebuilding the old Colnago International I was given that has been languishing in the garage for the last year. The new 'winter bike' should be ready to roll in a day or two. It'll be the rusty pile with shiney new brakes then! I'll post a photo when I can work out how to do it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 26, 2007, 09:03:27 am
training on rollers might be back in fashion but is it any good.when i followed the workouts and structure in pete reads turbo training to win over a couple of winters. i went from hanging on in the bunch to usually getting in the winning break nearly every week.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 26, 2007, 09:25:34 am
WHAT...

no Ti seatpost????

why man?

why?

Surely Ti seatpost in a Ti frame is not a good idea in case they start picking up when you keep raising and dropping the saddle?

Oh, yeh, I see now ...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 26, 2007, 09:35:05 am
it always used to be pretty good.however they have spent a lot of time and money creating new circuits and an area where you can do those jump things and break bits of your body and bike.which has just reminded me i broke my collar bone up there  when my front tire blew out at speed.

went there on sat after a session at oaklands wall.did the red circuit seemed technical and exciting enough for me not having ridden my m.b for about 7 years.true to form i managed to fall off right at the end and bruise my thigh and forearm.maybe this is way i haven't bothered mountain biking for so long.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 26, 2007, 09:46:48 am
Quote
Easton do a couple of carbon seat posts in 30.9 - dunno where sells them mind but worth a Google i'm sure

Cheers managed to find one over weekend.

Quote
WHAT...

no Ti seatpost?

why man?

why?

Must admit that never occurred to me. Then looked at prices and saw the cheapest one was £97 !
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 26, 2007, 12:38:37 pm
you NEED this mate... really, you do...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on November 27, 2007, 08:11:38 pm
I want a new bike. What should I  get. Titanium or carbon. Ti is heavier than carbon but is indestructable. Any thoughts appreciated before I splash the cash.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on November 27, 2007, 10:04:51 pm
1.  You guys watched belleville rendezvous?  Good leg shaving film.
2.  You lot are harping on about winter bikes.  Will it really do my new bike too much harm if i only have, and can only afford, an all year bike.  it cost less than 4 hundred.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on November 27, 2007, 11:48:09 pm
1.  You guys watched belleville rendezvous?  Good leg shaving film.
had it on DVD for ages and still not got round to watching it.

2.  You lot are harping on about winter bikes.  Will it really do my new bike too much harm if i only have, and can only afford, an all year bike.  it cost less than 4 hundred.
I think these boys with the luxury of having a choice of hugely expensive bikes don't like to get salt/grit/mud on their precious carbon fibre/titanium/metal-matrix etc. The salt might etch the logos off the aluminum Campag group set (Zut alors!) I don't think you need to worry, hose it down to get the salt off if you do have a wet ride in the winter. Big H always keeps full length mud guards on his training bike year round. Saw the big man tonight and he's say's he'll get his legendary skiing vid on YouTube soon.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 28, 2007, 08:19:07 am
I want a new bike. What should I  get. Titanium or carbon. Ti is heavier than carbon but is indestructable. Any thoughts appreciated before I splash the cash.
it depends what you intend to do with it.carbon is more ridgid and therefore your efforts will mean more power being laid down and less comfort.titanium is a softer ride almost like having suspension so some of your energy goes to waste but its a less harsh ride.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 28, 2007, 09:46:38 am
Good advice IMO.
Probably worth getting some mudgaurds to keep the worst of the weather off as well
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 28, 2007, 10:33:36 am
cant be arsed with havin a winter bike... lets face it the damage done by winter roads salt etc.. pales compared to MTB winter component running costs... i swear MTB metal components are in fact cheese.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 28, 2007, 02:06:14 pm
i want to get a pressure washer. or atleast a hose-pipe, getting sick of cleaning my bike with a bucket and sponge...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: nik at work on November 28, 2007, 02:42:06 pm
My dad went out and got a big ass petrol all singing and dancing pressure washer, tried to clean the car with it and stripped some of the paint. How we laughed. In the end the only use he could find for it was breaking up a concrete patio he didn't want and crowd control (the golf club can get pretty rowdy apparently...)

Mind you a bargain basin electric jobbie will probably not have the power to bend a bike frame.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Monolith on November 28, 2007, 03:08:50 pm
I was told that you can use a Karcher or other similarly low pressure high pressure jet as long as you don't point the jet at the bottom bracket, rear mech etc.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on November 28, 2007, 03:13:09 pm
My dad went out and got a big ass petrol all singing and dancing pressure washer, tried to clean the car with it and stripped some of the paint. How we laughed. In the end the only use he could find for it was breaking up a concrete patio he didn't want and crowd control (the golf club can get pretty rowdy apparently...)

Mind you a bargain basin electric jobbie will probably not have the power to bend a bike frame.
That's genius! Remember even a cheapo one can strip all the grease from even sealed bearings! Keep well clear of all lubed bits of your bike. In face however much it is tempting, you better off using a normal hose and soft brush/sponge to clean your bike.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 28, 2007, 03:57:53 pm
i agree  :goodidea:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Johnny Brown on November 28, 2007, 04:05:58 pm
Pah! You techy bike geeks are so boring. Road bikes, mountain bikes, summer bikes, winter bikes, carbon this, titanium that! Sometimes you just want to say 'oh sod all this, lets go... trottinerbe!'

(http://www.zen59200.zen.co.uk/Adam/Galleries/Climbing/trottinerbe.jpg)

Is there a better way to travel on two wheels?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on November 28, 2007, 04:55:02 pm
it's the wheeled equivalent of mono ski!

(http://www.usmonoski.org/094e8eb0.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 29, 2007, 11:14:50 am
I was told that you can use a Karcher or other similarly low pressure high pressure jet as long as you don't point the jet at the bottom bracket, rear mech etc.

how you going to clean the bike then if you can't point the LPHP jet at it?  :shrug:

Being from Yorkshire I suggest you ignore all that expensive proprietery jet washers and grease remover rubbish such as "muck off" and use this simple Blue Peter trick instead. 
Get an old squirty thing (like the muck off sprayer!), ask yer missus she's bound not to mind if you nick one such as the plant spayer, fill it half full of water then, and only then, add a quarter full of washing up liquid.  Make sure your hands are clean first though or you'll give the game away when you put back the plant sprayer later and it looks like CID's been round doing finger print tests.

Squirt on your bike, give it a little rub with a soft brush, dustpan brushes are great just don't tell the missus again, and then simply hose off, not LPHP just standard water mains pressure.  Do the oily bits with a seperate stiffer brush like your washing up one for example.

Replace all brushes in the house where you found them.  Do not put them somewhere vaguely near where you found them, she'll notice.

Your bike is now all spangly and new looking, except for the shagged chain, cables, grips etc.

Then wander why your old lady goes mad when she next does the washing up, well I ain't doing it, and the pots come out more oily than if they'd been at a tuna tea party!

Happy cleaning. :wave:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 29, 2007, 11:42:50 am
P.S. If you do own a LPHP jet washer don't lend it to Bubbs, he breaks them!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on November 29, 2007, 12:56:05 pm
You can get LP washers that plug  into a car cigarette lighter now. Reasonable enough pressure to get crap off, and can hold enough water for 2 bikes.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 29, 2007, 01:28:32 pm
one of the best things for getting the greasy shit of your bike is paraffin.it cleans the dirt off and then leaves an oily film so the parts don't dry out or go rusty after you've blasted it with the power hose.it does stink tho and the missus might object to you ponging out the drive.
another tip is when stripping your bike down.you can clean the parts in the dishwasher.this will definitely cause marital discord if one gets caught.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 30, 2007, 09:42:17 am
Still can't work out how to put a picture on here, so here's a link to a picture of the Colnago now its fixed up so I can break it over the winter. The picture is currently on the Scarpa website, as its onbe of the few places I know how to upload my pictures - hope they don't mind random bicycle shots on there!

http://www.scarpa.co.uk/team/gallery.asp?TeamID=11&Year=2006&Month=12

The frame is still pretty grotty (rust spots on the chrome and a few other places) but fundamently sound. Had to put on some different wheels - the Mavic M40's on Campag hubs were fucked much to my disappointment. It also needed new cables, front mech, brakes and a saddle, but the rest is as was. Its quite nice riding a steel framed bike again after a few years on a carbon one - I'd forgotten just how much more comfortable the ride is! Keep trying to shift on the brake levers though - the whole shifter on the down tube thing needs a little adjusting to again....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 30, 2007, 10:11:37 am
that is very cool.

i am jealous...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 30, 2007, 02:02:21 pm
Cool as anything.
Is that a 52 43 on the front ?

BTW, what's the problem you're in the main shot of you on rock ?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 30, 2007, 02:03:53 pm
Quote
BTW, what's the problem you're in the main shot of you on rock ?

Sorry scratch that - its the Green traverse doh !
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 30, 2007, 02:49:02 pm
52 - 42 on the front. The original Colnago engraved campag chainrings and cranks too. Very nice! The original 19 - 13 6 speed block on the back has gone though - fuck trying to cycle anywhere in the peak with that set of ratios. Froggatt hill on 42 - 19 anybody? :wall:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on November 30, 2007, 02:56:14 pm
verrry tasty percy
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 30, 2007, 03:15:48 pm
ok, let's consider where the boys of the Works are spending all our hard earned cash?

Percy - new bike every week !

Sam - Evo xx

Graeme - ladyboys in Thailand


Reckon they should drop the prices mesen  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 30, 2007, 04:17:28 pm
Easy now.... The Colnago was given to me gratis by a mate who's given up cycling due to piss-pipe-problems, Graeme drives a knackered Rover Metro, and Sam drives an Evo........ :-\

Graemes off the ladyboys, anyway. Not with his sciatica!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on December 03, 2007, 01:24:59 pm
that'll explain why he's not rung me in a while then  :shag:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 03, 2007, 01:59:18 pm
oh dear, horrid image or what...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on December 09, 2007, 11:15:35 am
right, i'm currently in pot, and am considering a way to rehab my beadle leg in the new year. was considring a cheap exercise bike but then thought i could always get a turbo. would this be too difficult for my withered limb or are the easiest resistance settings sufficiently low for my sparrow leg to cope with?
also which would you recommend, i don't wanna spend too much dollar.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on December 09, 2007, 06:47:03 pm
i used a turbo after having smashed heel. my right leg would've made kate moss jealous. i quite literally cycled before i could walk, as alan partridge might've said. anyway, it did a world of good.

i have a elite magnetic one, but i think i might upgrade to a cycelops fluid trainer sometime soon. i tried one out and it was a lot more road-like.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Jim on December 09, 2007, 07:50:25 pm
Its true, saltbeef does have a withered leg, but alas it is his 3rd leg that is withered
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 10, 2007, 08:34:49 am
you could start without any resistance at all to start.i've heard of people who had to start using it with out a chain as even that was too great a resistance for their injury.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on December 10, 2007, 09:24:33 am
jesus i hope that isn't the case!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 10, 2007, 09:32:35 am
re the fluid ones.the only one of these i've used had quite a high resistance.i would get one where you raise the roller to the wheel by screwing it up,rather than one that rests on the wheel by a spring mechanism.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on December 13, 2007, 01:27:54 pm
I've been freezing my arse off commuting the past two mornings. Need some poncy tights. Anyone got any suggestions to keep me warm.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on December 13, 2007, 01:33:46 pm
I got some nike ones they were cheap and do the job.
cheers webbo, yosser, also just looked at the minoura website, i'm considering getting a hypermag. they say you need a completely slick tyre, is this the case?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 13, 2007, 02:09:24 pm
i just use what ever tyres are on my bike.i did try it once with the nobblies on my mountainbike. other than causing my fillings to fall out and possibly having some use as a sex aid it was not a great success.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on December 13, 2007, 02:12:10 pm
I've been freezing my arse off commuting the past two mornings. Need some poncy tights. Anyone got any suggestions to keep me warm.

Nip into Decathlon. Loads of cheap semi decent cycling kit in there.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: andy_e on December 13, 2007, 05:15:09 pm
Who was it that turned up to Curbar on a road bike today? I bet it was one of you lot...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 13, 2007, 08:29:42 pm
not me...

working my arse off, looking at awesome weather... bollocks.

got out to burb y'day though, great fun!!

have you seen the forecast?? fuck riding, the conditions of the year are upon us!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 13, 2007, 09:28:25 pm
HEADS UP

 the first local (ish) sportive of 08 is taking application forms... the cheshire cat via www.kilotogo.com

safari browser cannt get me there  :(

but i'm entering asap, probs the shortest / medium distance (it is my 1st one!!)

see you there???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 14, 2007, 09:00:13 am
Good call, that one. I'm up for doing that one providing I haven't found myself elsewhere (it does fall right slap bang in the middle of the school holidays!). I did one of the Kilotogo sportives last summer - very well organised and a great days ride. However, I really feel I should strongly recommend you don't go for the short option - you'll really miss out on the fun. The long routes are normally fine even if you aren't super fit - I did the British Etape last year with very little extra training, as in I was not doing long training rides in preparation (the furthest I managed to ride in one go in training was 60 miles, due to time constraints, etc.). I still managed to get round the 127 mile course in six and a half hours - and that was my first sportive. You'll find that if you get into a good group where everybody is working together you'll drag each other around the course in no time. 
Looking at the profile for the Cheshire Cat its not too bad - a couple of hard climbs toward the end, but they are reasonably short lived and worth it for the descents! And a crack at doing Mow Cop in a oner is too good an opportunity to pass up, surely! Come on, Fatdoc, be a man and go big!
And I've officially joined the 'Fuck the turbo' club - back to the Velodrome last night for their Structured Quality Training sessions (my first one) and all I can say is it was an awesome workout. 2 hours riding with 39 monsters who basically gave me a sound beasting (and I stayed upright this time!). Very sore legs today, but a good way of getting a lot of miles into your legs during the winter evenings. It is also initially completely terrifying riding in such a big and fast pace line! Riding the best part of 50 miles in 2 hours is much better for you that sitting on a turbo in the garage getting bored. I'm converted!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 14, 2007, 09:11:12 am
Need a nice second hand bike, anybody?

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtailwindsportscorp (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtailwindsportscorp)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on December 14, 2007, 10:07:34 am
Fatdoc I couldn't get in either with safari or mozilla so guess its not up and running yet. Percy ever thought of training on rollers suppose to be better than a turbo.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 14, 2007, 12:07:34 pm
it is up and running, the direct link to the application form is on cyclosportive.org   fourm- sorry cant get to it from work...

i'll go middle distance, 50 miles i think.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 14, 2007, 12:34:47 pm
 :thumbsdown: Fatdoc

Cmon, you know you want the 100 mile tick
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 14, 2007, 12:38:16 pm
hmmm.... it's the big hill at the end that's got me a bit concerned!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on December 14, 2007, 04:09:02 pm
Fatdoc, let me know when you find out how to get to the forms as I'm up for doing it.  I'm doing the Houston to Auston MS150 as part of a team from work in April so this would be great prep.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 14, 2007, 08:02:53 pm
Big hill at the end? You have a compact chainset don't you? It should be fine. Its idiots like me with the 53-39 chainsets who'll be walking, not the compact crew. I did the Kilotogo Ridgeway Rumble sportive last year, and even with the endless crossing and re-crossing of the Ridgeway (a spicy climb if even I saw one) the 100 mile option was still OK. Admitedly, I did see a couple of folks in the hedgerow throwing up after trying to ride some of the climbs out of the saddle all the way, but if you go steady it'll be well within your capabilities, and will probably encourage you to train a bit if you commit now...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 16, 2007, 11:12:59 am
Fatdoc, let me know when you find out how to get to the forms as I'm up for doing it.  I'm doing the Houston to Auston MS150 as part of a team from work in April so this would be great prep.



http://www.kilotogo.com/enter.html

there you go!

right, you have to enter the distance on application, i've gone for the 95Km... yes yes yes... I know 

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 22, 2007, 09:39:49 pm
HEADS UP

The legbreaker is open.

July 20th.

I'll be on the short course.

This one gets full v quick lads, and is meant to be utterly desperate, with the long course akin to an etape in terms of ascent.

www.legbreaker.co.uk

BTW, you can order online!


see you there  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 24, 2007, 09:53:06 am
the short one. you tart :spank:
swannys missus got round the short one.it was the first time she'd ridden a bike that moved.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 24, 2007, 03:03:00 pm
I'll be on the longer ones once I'm comfy with the short courses... maybe it's transference from freeriding... dont ever move up a level until you're fully sure you can achieve. I dont want to just blindly suffer, the point of the excersise is too actually enjoy the day!

Also, I got a lot of other bike fun to fit in, was in wharncliffe  this am... 8 inches of travel front and back on a 45lb bike felt just soo good!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 26, 2007, 09:52:53 pm
Entries are open for this one today, too.

www.tourofwessex.com

3 day sportive, anybody?!?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 27, 2007, 04:43:10 pm
i think it would be a case of bye,bye climbing to get fit enough for that,which was how this thread started.i.e. can you do both to a reasonably high level.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 27, 2007, 05:21:31 pm
I think its possible to climb and ride to a high level, but very difficult to achieve due to insane ammount of time you would need to devote to training. I think (hope) its easier to take up road racing/time trialing/track racing/sportive riding if you are a climber as you can get good pretty quick if you are prepared to put in the time on the bike. Getting good at climbing (particularly on rock as apposed to plastic) can potentially take a bit longer (in my experience...) as it is a bit more involved than riding a bike.

Getting good at a sport seems to be directly related by how obsessed you get by it! It is very hard to be totally devoted to 2 totally different and unrelated sports and still have a life of any description. I'm quite happy to punter around at both climbing and cycling - in an obsessive way, obviously!

What's a high level for both, anyway? Font 8a for climbing and a sub 20 minute 10 mile time trial would be impressive! Any takers?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on January 09, 2008, 01:09:10 pm
Friend of mine did the Kona SITS last year (Sleepless in the Saddle) 24hr off-road race. Came 13th. Over 200miles all offroad.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: lagerstarfish on January 09, 2008, 02:04:13 pm
climbing...is a bit more involved than riding a bike.

Word
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 09, 2008, 02:18:33 pm
there's a group of us on here that are going for a 4 man 24hr XC event soon

 :'(

i'm one of them

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: lagerstarfish on January 09, 2008, 02:32:18 pm
there's a group of us on here that are going for a 4 man 24hr XC event soon

 :'(

i'm one of them



My arse hurts just thinking about 24 hrs on a bike. Does antihydral cream help? Good luck  :bow:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 09, 2008, 03:13:23 pm
it's a staggered team event, probs 2 hrs on each session... its up to the others to decide the roster!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on January 09, 2008, 04:50:59 pm
roadies, you Fatdoc, get to do the long night session whilst we get pissed  :alky:, then we'll do a couple of laps to burn of the alcohol while you have a well earned rest  :goodidea:

you'll be out training with us tonight then mate?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 09, 2008, 07:47:15 pm
ran in the morning ( abeit fuck all distance BUT my foot was Ok!!!!  ;D fuckin ace!!!, that spack foot injury near as consigned to the depths of history), then board tonight. not goin out in this weather, i'm not a total iediott. you'd be better off spending some time on a turbo IMO  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on January 09, 2008, 08:32:03 pm
Anybody got any ideas regarding turbos. I've looked on wiggle and there are loads. The general categories seem to be fluid or magnetic. Anyone know which is best and which make to go for?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on January 10, 2008, 08:27:39 am
i have a basic fan and fly wheel affair,i'm not sure they make them anymore.i just adjust the resistance by changing gear and if i ever get so strong that 53x12 seems like a warm up i can just screw the roller tighter on to the wheel.i did have a magnetic one before this but fucked when i pulled the adjuster cable out of its housing.
i suspect the all dancing/singing jobbies just tend to give your brain some respite from continually giving you the message "this is painful stop now!!"
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 10, 2008, 08:40:24 am
i'm borrowing dolly's for the winter, it's a £130 type mag affair, varable resistance that i dont use ( i use gears). works fine: i.e; it can kill me with ease.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on January 10, 2008, 08:46:28 am
which 24hr mountain bike event are you doing.the yorkshire gritstone bouldering mountain bike team are considering doing one which is worrying as they are a man down.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on January 10, 2008, 01:07:36 pm
Me and a few others were thinking of doing one, but the Kona one, and the twentyfour12 one are both too far away for us to be bothered getting there after work, competing then driving back for work.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on January 10, 2008, 02:51:47 pm
which 24hr mountain bike event are you doing.the yorkshire gritstone bouldering mountain bike team are considering doing one which is worrying as they are a man down.

wildboar24
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on January 16, 2008, 11:18:04 am
Bad news; Jason McIntyre has died.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7189168.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7189168.stm)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on January 16, 2008, 05:57:48 pm
That's really tragic - an awesome athlete killed by a van driver.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on January 16, 2008, 10:09:09 pm
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44360000/jpg/_44360621_jasoncontinental203.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on January 17, 2008, 10:12:24 am
Apparently Jason was cycling South into Fort William and the van driver was heading North. A highly tragic event and our thoughts should be with his Wife and two daughters.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 29, 2008, 07:07:04 pm
Advice / opinion time guys...

I have a bad left knee. 15 years ago i subluxed the patella jumping down a flight of stairs... no biggie... after straightening it out from having crossed legs it usually gives off a painless *crack*.

no weakness, no locking, no giving way, no swelling.


BUT

on doing some hills on my roadbike at the end of autumn i got medial / frontal patella pain. I was straining like fuck on some of those hills, low gear cadance 50... true lung bursters..

sooo, i stopped riding (good timing on building my woodie).

I'd already changed from MTB Time to MTB speedplay.... (cos i had a pair of top end MTB shoes that wernt very old).

I'm now training for the sportive season. My first is 96km on march 30th, i've got a plan, it's going OK (all i want to do is finish and get home in time for a few pints - trained athlete you see)... and my knee hurts enough to hinder my training... on hills  :'(

its a dull pain, when really forcing it on hills after about 55km... and for a day after too

i dont like the slippery feel of the speedplays....

I've had a chat with the bespoke bike shop in sheff over the phone, bloody good advice that wasnt too snobby or pushy at all. (they know I'm a roadie punter). They reckon it's unlikely that a consult with them  - to ensure bike is set up well - will be of much benefit... but will have a look at me on their setup rig (cost unknown... but it cant be that much for what i could get out of it). They also recommend going roadie shoe / pedal... have to say i thought that would be the case at some point.

I've always liked Time mtb pedals.

I'm thinking of: going to bike shop (not bespoke one coz they dont sell shoes) and trying on some shoes.. for about £70 there seems to be some good spesh ones... i've liked their shoes for mtb and they seem well rated. Then sauntering off down to the cool shop and getting bike setup confirmed with a set of their pedals... they sell Look and Time (i presume RXS). The Time seems to have angular and lateral float (like ATAC mtb)... i never got pain with ATAC - but there again you pedal way differently on the road...

sooo

what experience do you guys have?

BTW no *see a dr* type stuff, i dont want an MRI / arthroscopy.... i'm too damn busy and until I get pain during activities of daily living I'm not going under the knife.. i also know anterior knee pain is a bad bad thing to have, but mine is not classic either in site or causation - so i think this money i intend to spend is worthwhile (hopefully).

thanks!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on January 30, 2008, 08:33:51 am
i've used mainly look pedals and the old spd road pedals.i currently have the look on my best bike the others on my winter bike.the only reason i've started using look again is that shimano have stopped making the road spd and the only reason i started using them in the first place.was because the shoe plates don't wear out as fast as look ones do.
the main thing with road pedal is getting your foot postion right i.e. ball of foot over pedal axle and getting your foot at the same angle as you walk/stand i.e. do you walk like a duck.
sit on the edge of a table legs hanging at 90 degrees should give you this postion.
the main diference with road pedals is their ridgity you might find if you climb then bike afterwards you could experience toe cramps.not nice.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 30, 2008, 09:04:35 am
thanks..

I'll off to LBS today
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on January 30, 2008, 09:35:26 am
I think this is a relatively common roadie problem which in my limited experience can be solved by cleat positioning.
There's lots of advice online - if not I'm sure I've got some roadie manuals somewhere with diagrams and such. It got better for me when I spent a bit more to get some Look pedals and cleats with more float than the "rock hard rigid hardcore" black ones.

Hope that helps
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 30, 2008, 10:54:33 am
stop riding up hills till it stops hurting?

i knackered my knee in vietnam last year, mainly by riding too many miles and up hills without small enough gears, although i think that actual problem was a small tear of the lateral meniscus.

i left it for a few weeks, and then started out spinning on flatish terrain and using the turbo.

i also changed to rotor cranks (i signed up to do a lab trial thing) and since then my knees have been fine. i use look red cleats, and am always very careful about setting them up just right.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 30, 2008, 11:32:15 am
I've found some really rather fetching WELL GAY shoes 20% off in james's... they're silver!!!!

had word with the bicicleta dudes and i'm getting the pedals off them, either look or time... gonna fork out a bit more (TBD by them) for taking the bike in and making sure the rest of the set up is OK.

I'll try to avoid the £500 wheelset on the way out  :'(

the affected knee is on the same side as my spack foot, so biomechanically anything could be going on!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on January 30, 2008, 11:43:17 am
do la bicicletta have a web site?
are campagnalo mirage any cop?
will anyone be doing leetapedudales?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 30, 2008, 02:37:16 pm
dunno
dunno
dunno

but the no
is 2665533

mate of mine is gonna get a well nice Look for 1500 from there... i'm really impressed by the phone chats I've has with them....they seem interested and prepared to help, even if you are a punter like me!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on January 30, 2008, 05:22:47 pm
HI fatdoc, Cheshire cat is looming.
I'm no pedal expert, but I've heard speedplay pedals are suppose to be good for those with knee problems.
I'm also in the process of wanting to change my pedal shoe combo so would be interested to know what you go for.
Time pedals have good reviews on line.

Apparently Spec shoes are also suppose to be good.

P.s I know the name of a good knee surgeon....Doesn't do NHS though!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on January 30, 2008, 05:27:31 pm
http://www.labicicleta.co.uk
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 30, 2008, 08:52:16 pm
HI fatdoc, Cheshire cat is looming.
I'm no pedal expert, but I've heard speedplay pedals are suppose to be good for those with knee problems.
I'm also in the process of wanting to change my pedal shoe combo so would be interested to know what you go for.
Time pedals have good reviews on line.

Apparently Spec shoes are also suppose to be good.

P.s I know the name of a good knee surgeon....Doesn't do NHS though!!

i got some spesh lightweight sliver looking ones... very cool... you can always make a cool shoe warm, but not the other way round!!

there is indeed a very famous knee surgeon here in sheff, private only, personally my work lends itself to seeing a lot of orthopaedics - I know who would treat me (NHS), and it would not be in a teaching hospital (MRSA higher)

i've tried the frog speedplays - they fit in MTB shoes... cant get on with them, they feel they are slipping on an ice cube on the hills.. wierd. same cleats as road apparently.

will be going cheap if my new roadie ones work out!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 30, 2008, 09:03:02 pm
i have some specialized shoes, and the plastic buckles are a bit gash... next time carnacs i think.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 31, 2008, 08:49:00 am
no buckles.. velcro strap only... v comfy, no slippage.. nice
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on January 31, 2008, 08:13:28 pm
do la bicicletta have a web site?
are campagnalo mirage any cop?
will anyone be doing leetapedudales?

i have a mirage group on my winter bike, no real problems. a bit "clunky", but way worth it for the money (and from what i can tell, way better than the shimano equivalent).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on January 31, 2008, 08:28:52 pm
I have suffered the knee pain thing. The problem with Look and Time pedals is that you can adjust cleats etc. for more float, but the float isn't free - the springs always put pressure on the cleat to return to the central position and this can cause your knees to get tweaky. Me, I bit the bullet and shelled out for a pair of stainless Speedplay X2's at the start of last season and once I'd got used to them (took one ride, pretty much) I truly believe these to be the best pedals I have ever used. Light, easy to get in and out of - the business. The only problem was the pricetag, but well worth it with hindsight. The end of me endlessly buying different pedals in the hope of curing the problem.

The La Bicicleta boys are very friendly, and very adept at getting you to part with your cash. Once you've darkened their premises, you are surely doomed - but in the nicest possible way. I will at some point post a picture of the track bike the boys built me recently. Its a beautiful thing, and has been the cause of several envious comments at the track in Manchester (it also won its first race the other day!).

I have recently been getting a tweaky infrequent twinge under my left patela - a combination of faling off boulder problems a lot combined with cycling being the culprit I believe. Luckily I just found a stash of Mr Pickles' brown pills, one of which has seen me right! Aahhh, the miracle of strong anti-inflamitories....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on January 31, 2008, 10:03:20 pm
I popped into la bicicleta today to get some knee pedals. I rode speedplay and hated them, too much float. So I've gone for some time. The whole shop is like the cabinet you see in a normal bike shop which you have to ask to be opened. They have some lovely frames and seem to be able to build bikes with no weight, certainly sub UCI limits. They will even source a frame if its not one they normally stock, very friendly chaps - but I am getting married this year so I'll have to ban myself, although the Mrs wants a new bike as well!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on February 01, 2008, 10:26:48 am
http://www.labicicleta.co.uk
I just made a mess looking at the the dalkiia carbon frame.
and it is affordable isn't it? (if i cut back on food. drink. mortgage etc)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 01, 2008, 10:38:46 am
I'm asking bicicleta to have a look at my position when i've got my new pedals on my bike. I just need to be sure I'm not shagging my knee myself (if you know what I mean).

I'm in the process of coming out of denial that i need the attention of a surgeon.... could really do with out this i have to say. I'll persevere a bit longer!!

those speedplays i just dont on with them... they feel too slippy.... perhaps I need the renegrade knee brought back into line... I'm gonna give some Times a go I reckon..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 01, 2008, 06:01:45 pm
http://www.shimano24.com/ (http://www.shimano24.com/)

How about a UKB team? I'd be keen... Teams of 5. Looks like fun?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on February 01, 2008, 07:28:27 pm

You have to remember that Fatdoc is the most accident prone man in the world - if you team up with him be prepared for some bizarre accidents resulting in horrific injury.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 01, 2008, 07:32:51 pm
 ;D Good point well made, Bubs! There's a speeded up video of the course on the website, and some of the descents look like classic Fatdoc territory for a spectaular cropper! Roadrash, anybody?!?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 01, 2008, 07:59:31 pm
Even more worrying then is the fact that I just entered the Cheshire Cat sportive, and Mr Cort is doing that too. I'll follow the trail of blood.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 01, 2008, 08:21:46 pm
it's DR to you.

anyways, I'm on the short course.. i'll be eatin yr dust i'm sure.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 01, 2008, 08:47:13 pm
Whoops. Sorry, doc.

You still get Mow Cop on the short course? You won't want to miss that... only as steep as Winnats for the last bit so they say
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 01, 2008, 08:50:07 pm
http://www.shimano24.com/ (http://www.shimano24.com/)

How about a UKB team? I'd be keen... Teams of 5. Looks like fun?

i'd be up for that. i have some fucking bright light and motion lights, and would be happy to take the night shift.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 02, 2008, 09:44:23 am
No Mow cop is not on the short course. You get an award this year for getting up it in one go.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on February 02, 2008, 11:33:17 am
Quote
http://www.shimano24.com/

How about a UKB team? I'd be keen... Teams of 5. Looks like fun?

I might well be up for that - I wouldn't be very good mind but maybe thats not the point.
FD you up for it ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 02, 2008, 11:49:18 am
it does look very good...

need to check how that conflicts with the legbreaker... and i'm not able to log on to cyclosportive.org.

anyone?

dont worry about lights, i've got access to 2 enduro Maxx lights, that i'll give us 6 hrs on 700 lumens... you can DH on that!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 02, 2008, 02:23:24 pm
Get the extra bettery option and you'll run at maxx for even longer.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on February 02, 2008, 09:33:23 pm
word up home's got myself a condor italia from ebay. 380. ridden for 15 miles. fucking psyched....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 03, 2008, 08:57:24 am
just let me know when you want your youth and natural strength to go out and pan my beer ridden soul matey...

BTW, not a good sport option when it's windy, got blown off on my big ride last sunday, not off the bike, horizontally lifted and blown onto the verge in the peak while still riding!!! MTB on a carbon road bike at 20 mph... interesting!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on February 03, 2008, 08:58:19 am
word up home's got myself a condor italia from ebay. 380. ridden for 15 miles. fucking psyched....
:great:
nice work dude: the obsession begins.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 05, 2008, 12:19:54 pm
OK..

got the time off work and i'm free the friday afternoon...

need to talk to the missus about the shimano 24 to get the pass out for the weekend.

dont forget i'm not very good at this roadie lark... cant get the vid to work here at work so i'm totally oblivious to the true severity of the course - provisionally i'm up for it anyway!!!

Perc, I expect some sort of climbingworks sponsorship (i.e some clothing to keep warm when waiting for change overs... :P)

I'll bring huge wads of dressings and antiseptic. lights will be covered by Yoss & me...

a i have a 24 hr race already planned this year I'm not sure i can get to do this, BUT i'll try to get myself free..

As it stands:

Perc

Yoss

Me

saltbeef??? c'mon mate!!

Dolly??? get in matey!!!



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on February 05, 2008, 12:37:54 pm
you will need a b.c.f. licence as its a race.also if you have no previous recent racing performances you still might not get in as it appears to be open to elite cat riders and they might not want punters :whistle: crashing in to them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 05, 2008, 07:17:03 pm
fuck.

it has to be said that the 1st 24hr road race in the UK is well off IMO. where's the open category?


dont get me wrong, props to all the elite guys, but for fuck's sake, it's the 1st one - we all wanna go.

fair point with me being slow on the ups.... but what? with Yoss and me being more than happy to fly off drops at 25mph in a wood onto rooty landings i dont think we'd go slamming into them on the downs... it's a road!! how many of them night ride flat out regularly anyway? Most elites train like demons, which in winter means on a turbo....

it's sponsored by shimano, bunch of cunts. I have 4 bikes, and not one big S componant on any. oh, sorry... I have one skewer...

what's the appeal to the elites anyway? I thought the race calendar was full, with more than enough BC / UCI ratified events to go round. Surely the target audience should be the sportive rider? It's the growing market in roadie riding in the UK at present. 24hr riding on MTB has a wide and diverse following - not just the NPS XC racer types.

I'm well unhappy at this, it's too up it's own arse for it's own good.

 >:(

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 05, 2008, 07:23:44 pm
Easy now.... Yes, you need to have a racing licence - British cycling are doing a deal on membership and licences for this event so it will involve money changing hands but should be no problem. If no one in the team has a current licence, we just join up and register for this event as Cat 4 racers..... The event is supposed to be open to Elite cat down to lowly cat 4's as far as I'm aware. Details on the website.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 05, 2008, 08:31:51 pm
i got a form through to renew my (vastly under-utilised) 2007 license the other day...

i never used my lights to jump off things at 25mph. they were mainly used when i went out for road rides last winter. i remember one occasion when an owl was sitting on a fence post eyeing me suspiciously as i rode panting towards him. quite eerie.

anyway, i'm up for it, as i could do with something to train for, so let me know if we're going to go firm (as they say...)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on February 06, 2008, 12:17:50 am
Quote
I'm well unhappy at this, it's too up it's own arse for it's own good.
I agree mate. Typical bloody English roadie scene.
It appears to be all encompasing but then turns out to be the opposite - which explains the increase in the number of sportives in the last few years IMO.
No licence, no club, just turn up and ride for fun FFS.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 06, 2008, 08:12:24 am
Ok.

i was upset y'day i admitt. if you have to spend some wad on a licence thingie then fair enough. I reckon if it's that easy then  the event will be full of the sportive type rider anyway...

I'll look at the family calendar and get back today on whether I can go. If I can we'll pressgang Dolly.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 06, 2008, 05:30:23 pm
Why not just organise a nice long group ride for the UKB road club?

If there are 8 - 10 people it would be more fun that being in a group of 5 getting beasted for 24 hours against a load of whippet-thin cat 1s... wouldn't it?


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 06, 2008, 05:55:18 pm
Now you're talking - could be a bit cheaper. Time to think of a suitable route......... Give me time.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 06, 2008, 06:56:19 pm
YES yes fuckin yes...

I'm well up for that!

er.. can be under 100km or at least july if it's over that? Ta!

Dolly, saltbeef - no excuses.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on February 06, 2008, 06:58:10 pm
i'm down. should probably start actually riding my bike now. ps rapha have a sale on.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 06, 2008, 07:10:14 pm
Rapha is all very well if you are rich/live in Lahndahn.
Planet X should be the choice off the descerning S Yorks resident! Just ordered a nice carbon/Ultegra bike to replace the winter bike I have just bust :'(
Cheap as chips, and awesome if their carbon wheels which I have been riding on for the last 6 months are anything to go by.

Sorry, doc, but I haven't worked out modern distances yet. Surely a hundred MILES is the gentlemans distance. Maybe a hundred of your modern kilometres as a warm up earlier on in the season, before the real deal...? C'mon, you know you want to!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 06, 2008, 08:15:04 pm
one has to admit that 100 miles is a landmark. unfortunatly i'm currently 50 off it!

Had a very interesting time in the bespoke shop today, really patient considering I'm a punter, and they have wheelsets in there that cost 3 times my bike (945 g a set, OMG!).

I ended up with getting the pedals fitted to my shoes / me  / my bike on their set up kit. I got a bit giddy as soon as I got home I shot out the bike for a quick blast... interestingly my knee seemed not quite so spakered... this could have been a very wise investment (cheap Look pedals, normal cleats..)

the only reason I speak off the Km not the mile is my computer doesnt seems to do miles!!!

Perc, I'm interested in some wheels.... (not the bespoke kind - i ride this bike to work!!), what's the weight / cost of the wheels you mention??

If i get a bit better / lose some of the winter padding I was aiming at less than £500 and less than 1450g...

right, i'm off to the rapha site.

btw, they size even more off than assos... go big gents!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 06, 2008, 08:15:06 pm
how about a 60ish miler in april sometime, and then a 100 in june / july?

possibly with a real sort the men from the boys in late august / september?

bring your mates, the more the merrier, etc, etc.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 06, 2008, 08:18:50 pm
Is it me or is there an inverse correlation between the $ one can spend and ones performance?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 06, 2008, 08:28:49 pm
Yoss,

good idea / plan!


That sounds great to me!

BTW, nothing at rapha unless you're a an anorexic dwaaaarrrff.


Houdini, you can spend everything you ever earn on this sport....... and with the laws of diminishing returns you can waste shed loads of cash.

let me explain: on the beautiful display where the till resides in the besoke shop there is a set of electronic scales... when you ask for a set of pedals they are duly brought to you, you stroke them with glee, exctiment and a little giggle passes your dry lips... then from behind the salesman's back come some other pedals, same system, same colour. Both are weighed in front of you, you dont ask for this- it's simply expected by both parties to be part of the purchase process. The £95 ones are 114g lighter than the £40 ones. This is actually a selling point. People will pay for that. That's not even top end.

Utter madness.

Having said that.... Hmmmm... 114g... of rotational mass.

Oh god no....



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 06, 2008, 08:31:49 pm
But what's the point if you can't manage 60 miles?



Man I'd rather give up than be slow and shit on a priceless piece of kit . . .
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 06, 2008, 08:42:14 pm
Houdini, has the sport of gear freakery been lost on you?

I reckon the Doc can do a bit - he just needs a little coaxing. That first 100 seems like an impossible dream until you commit. My first was actually a 130 miler, my previous training runs rarely making it past the 50 mile point. Its amazing what a little friendly competition can do - plus it didn't seeem too bad in reality. Even my arse stopped hurting after the 80 mile mark!

Had a conversation the other day regarding how much money people spend on road bikes, and discovered the following amusing thing. After the 8 kilo mark has been reached (achievable without spending too much cash), any further reduction in weight costs an absolute fucking fortune. From 7.5 kg lighter, every lb saved in weight will cost you £1000 in cash, give or take!!!!

Anyway, wheels. I got a pair of Planet X Pro 50's at a smidge under the 5-spot thresh-hold. Including brake pads, some nice Conti tubs, tub tape, valve extenders and wheel bags. A very tidy package - very, very fucking quick wheels and they sound amazing when travelling at speed. Drawbacks being tubular tyres (although I love 'em) and they can give a spicy ride if its windy! They do a clincher version of the same wheel so job sorted if you don't want the hassle of punturing expensive tubs. (I got some of that liquid sealant shizzle in mine so no bother there I hope!).

Otherwise, I would recommend Mavic Ksyriums. A pair of 2007 Ksyrium SL's can be yours for a 5-spot if you shop around. I know Parkers (www.parker-international.co.uk) have some for £519, but maybe you might find some cheaper. Very light, super strong, very nice.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 06, 2008, 08:47:47 pm
Houdini, has the sport of gear freakery been lost on you?

E v i d e n t l y , Percy . . .


Kit for those that can use it, dogs for those that can't . . .   Fuck!  I run in 30 quid Reebox . . .   I think the word is grommit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 06, 2008, 09:16:23 pm
Having expensive/flash kit is a good for you. It gives enormous pleasure to burn off a bloke on a 4 grand bike. And the training benefit of having a flash bike oneself is subtle yet effective. I know the bike is good, so I daren't let anyone past me to mock. I feel compelled to ride flat-out every time I get on the bike to avoid exctly the thing I was talking about to start off with! Works a treat. This years ambitions include trying to ride a sub-5 hour 100. I just need to be chased by a load of kids on shit BMX's for 5 hours in order to achieve this!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 06, 2008, 09:28:30 pm
As you say . . .


Buy that carbon seat . . .    do  . . .



Middle class mores.  Personally I'm sick of people w/ shit hot kit who can't manage the Telegraph Pass in 'beris w/ out stopping for a breather . . .     Really?   What is the point of them grafting so hard for shit they cannot benefit from?  Makes a mockery of their graft if you ask me.  Fuck it, get back on the steel bike till you can USE the Carbon / Ti thing you paid 4K for . . .      Grommitism to the max.   Simply fashion from people who are afraid to admit they're shite . . .   Yet it's obvious you are unfit and shit and have far too much cash to spend on something  you canot use properly . . .   What a cosmic 21st Century joke.

But hey!  You look cool, right?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 06, 2008, 09:45:06 pm
No no, you got me all wrong, Houd's. I can do a bit. Just a bit, but its enough.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 06, 2008, 09:53:05 pm
Fatdoc did the bespoke place show you the £8000 Ti bike. 100 miles piece of piss, as long as you don't have to work the next day.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 06, 2008, 09:57:56 pm
I didn't mean you Percy, I know you try . . . and push it hard.

Money spent where it's irrelevant rubs me up the wrong way.  I hate monied grommits who won't fight for their right to wear the jersey (in a performance way, not earnings way).  What's the point in a Ti bike if you won't take it to its limit and the butcher's lad can burn you off?

Oh 8K . . .  maybe you'll manage 45miles before your body conks out . . .  again . . .




Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 06, 2008, 10:03:43 pm
By the time I can afford £8k for a bike I'll by over 50 so I'll do 45 miles on it before I collapse and die.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on February 07, 2008, 08:26:58 am
By the time I can afford £8k for a bike I'll by over 50 so I'll do 45 miles on it before I collapse and die.

how does this work.
by the time your 50 you should be rich but you can pedal less miles than your age.
i can see a challenge looming.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 07, 2008, 09:54:48 am
you've got to start somewhere.

i have to say - i can afford medium level road kit. So what... it's my earnings. It's not as if i buy something then never use it. Did 1500 miles last year - not much but the kit gets used.. i'm not precious over the bike - it gets out in sleet / rain.. whatever as long as I'm up for it. I'm trying a new sport, and I'm wank at it, this thread is probs the most helpful i've ever found on the net for beginner roadie.. you dont ned a 1.5 k bike to ride... I've got one and I love it. It's probs the most beautiful thing i've ever owned... but it doesnt exaclty stay in the shed. Each to their own i say.

I'll have that 100 before the year's out, if i'm lucky...

yeah, I'm shit... so what??

Sooo, you cant climb V10?  you shouldnt have top end shoes to boulder in then???

only climb V6, you dont deserve even a pad then????


No?


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on February 07, 2008, 10:15:52 am
I'd be keen for any roadie rides going out from Sheffield. I need to get some serious miles in before the Fred Whitton, but with the rain, wind, snow, work, holidays and a cold I have hardly been out at all this year.

And as for the gear side of things, its my money (actually its mostly my wifes) so I reckon I can spend it on what I want. I actually enjoy the process of choosing and buying nice bits of kit as well as enjoying using them.

All credit to people who can ride/climb/drive/photograph well using crap kit, but I'm not good enough for that and I need all the help I can get.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 07, 2008, 10:29:15 am
Fatdoc - as you say, you're a doer and not a poser, and thats what counts. Posers who can do fuck all on an amazingly expensive bike they will never appreciate is what I believe rankles our escapologist chum.

Anyway, averaging 15mph over 35 miles in the Peak ain't so shoddy, Doc. Don't be so hard on yourself - its not shit, and that's for sure! If you need to feel better about things, I reckon a trip over to the flatlands around Doncaster way will cheer you up - you'll suddenly find that you can cruise around for miles at 20mph average without too much bother. The Peak warps your sense of what you can do - its basically hilly as fuck and so hard to achieve high average speeds. Most cyclists have far flatter countryside to deal with and so their average speeds are much higher for the distances covered. Us Sheffield based cyclists have a hard time even getting out into the Peak, let alone riding around it! I give you the soul destroying grind of Ringinglow road as an example - not too steep, but a cruel warm-up for a ride around the Peak. I back this up with the miserable plod up to Owler Bar as my second least favourite 'warm-up'. You'd be going well to average 20mph up those. Yesterdays headwind up to Owler Bar made a 10mph average a tough target! Roll on some nice summery weather!

Give us a week or 2 whilst I sort my life out, and I might organise a few gentle rides out from the Works on a Sunday morning if people are psyched?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on February 07, 2008, 10:47:06 am
that sounds like a plan. by the way i will be shit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on February 07, 2008, 10:56:03 am
back in the day when i first got in to cycling we used to ride winter bikes made of 2nd hand gas pipes or the like.they'd weigh in at about 40lbs.
the clothing was all wool based so if you got wet,it would stretch and weigh a ton.all in all it was shit and probably one of the reason why cycling in this country has always been a cinderella sport till recent times.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on February 07, 2008, 11:00:52 am
A regular ride would be excellent. It'd be great for motivation on those wet windy mornings when it easier to stay in bed.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 11:24:23 am
Daddy:  But Joquasta my love what is the point right now?  You've only just learnt to play chopsticks!   I won't stretch to a Steinway!

Joquasta:  But Daddy I want to learn to play the piano not a Yamaha electric keyboard!  I'll look silly!

Daddy:  But Joquasta, you sound silly!  Everyone has to learn to walk before they can run, darling . . .

Joquasta:  Daddy you don't think I'm good enough for a Steinway!  *turning the taps on*

Daddy:   Oh you little . . .  a n g e l . . .  Ofcourse you're good enough for a Steinway!  *Opens wallet, chokingly hands-over 12K*

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on February 07, 2008, 11:37:47 am
Houdini Fuck off.
I earn my wages. I spend my money on what i like. i graft HARD. I deserve what i get. This thread is quite useful for both mountain biking and roadie stuff, especially as a beginner. your posts are off topic, and smack of attention seeking... most people i know who post on ukb generally get out and do the sports they spend money on. I may not be an ace biker, i don't want to be, i'm an enthusiastic amateur. i work too hard and spend too much time climbing to be good, but i don't get fucking overtaken cycling to work. generally i find your sentiments entertaining but put a fucking sock in it and stop trolling. if you post anymore shit on hear i'm gonna fucking smite you hard.
for you other peeps, just been on the turbo for my hour session, found it on some triathlon site, my legs are fucked. (hopefully it won't affect my punter toproping session at the wall this evening.)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 07, 2008, 11:52:16 am
houdini mate, you just dont get it. Find someones light road bike and take it for a spin, then you'll realise why my roadbike is on 0% interest free credit!

Oh, and change your daughter's name by deed poll, Joquasta is a name she will hate you for forever.

Perc... i agree with the horrendous weather!! it's been 10mph max for me up the abbeydale road over the last few weeks, yesterday i was in the 2nd lowest gear my compact has  :o

windtunnel or what!!

I'm up for some rides, my substandard is clear for all to see, anyone blazing off will drop me - like i care!

I'll be out every sunday morning I'm not working from now till mid april... 70 to 90km at the mo, all local to sheff: abbeydale, baslow, grindleford, abney, eyam, calver, back to grindleford, hathersage, castlton, then back to hathersage... up to burbage (easy way via higgar) then across to the owler bar and holmesfield to a61 and back to sheff via norton..various bits get cut out of the ride depending on weather / knee / back... this vaguely mimics the hills / elevation of the cheshire cat sportive - though it's not as lonng...

in this weather 4hrs... with choccy bar at castleton and choccy bar at burbage...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on February 07, 2008, 12:02:16 pm
sounds good, this weekend i'm working. following weekend i might well be down, just depends on whether i'm preparing for job interviews, but they seem to be backwards in coming forward at the moment...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 12:11:15 pm
Fuck off.

Yes!

*punches the air*
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on February 07, 2008, 12:15:59 pm
its not uncommon for me to say that. you don't get a medal.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 12:19:08 pm
Ditto.  Captain Defensive.


Puntering won't change my opinions Boeuf - come down hard, no.  Hardest of all.    Wouldn't it be shit if everyone thought the same?

Relax brother


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on February 07, 2008, 12:32:54 pm
will you be running your 1/2 marathon barefoot.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 12:43:13 pm
I'll be doing it on my hands, pops  ;)   But probably not in a 200 quid pair tho.

(Off topic but that's sometimes the beauty of the internet so bear w/ me or skip this post.  NO no no - boeuf is right and wrong in equal measure in his rant up top.  1st his attention seeking gag is daft and doesn't bare much resemblence to how I conduct and have conducted myself in my life (and climbing - if you want) .  That's the nature of the forum:  I seek your opinion - you seek mine by replying.  I fight against exactly what beef overly defends himself with.  Yes it's your money spend it how you wish but the logical conclusion to everyone doing such is we end up w/ the USA, 6% population and 60% consumption.  I think people are spend and gear crazy.  That was the point underneath my posts - FatDoc is quite some consumer, his posts display that.  I don't like this charcteristic - but like a lot of things in life it's not something I can change.  As for the karma system: phooey w/ a side order of bullshit.  Do as you will.  Balls if we don't share opinions - it don't matter - all that matters is that we get to express them.)     
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on February 07, 2008, 12:51:27 pm
 i wait with bated breath to hear your time.will it be a new european record or will they be timing you in with a calendar.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 12:52:52 pm
(Probably w/ planetary position Webbo  ;D  If I can actually juggle work and get it on.)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on February 07, 2008, 12:53:47 pm
Wouldn't it be shit if everyone thought the same?
yes.

but... what the fuck is your point? everyone who has posted on this thread appears to be keen enough to be getting out regularly on their steeds. there aren't any freeloaders, all have paid for their bikes, and have probably sacrificed something else for that. so why not? I got mine cheap.
 you're having a pop at the wrong people. its obvious that what irks you is people who have "all the gear and no idea" It pisses me off too. but what pisses me off more is being labelled as that.

(anyway, you've got some running to do,  i'll see you at the end of the half mazza for a beer)

now back to cycling...
 

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 07, 2008, 12:59:16 pm
One can understand the angst and concerns the escapologist has.

valid and interesting points, but with all respect I feel the above posts have at least confronted those for you.

If you were to start a new thread on consumerism I'm sure many on here would have much more to say. After all, the middle class activity of clambering over rocks is wonderfully eccentric and can be a rather aloof pastime.

Good luck on the running.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 01:11:09 pm
I think you're both very sweet - and ta for the encouragement - I will try.

(Satire - the finest weapon of all . . .)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 07, 2008, 01:53:04 pm
Does it really matter if you spend thousands on a bike. As long as the wife gets a new handbag and the kids fed. Who really cares. I have a couple of nice bikes - one gets used all year for commuting, the other for training around the peaks etc - and yes its bloody hilly. I frequently overtake a chap on a nice cervelo on my way home - and yes I would love one - but don't have that kind of spare cash. He's heading towards 50 and probably falls into 'all gear, no idea' crowd, but at least he is trying to keep/get fit. When I first overtook him he was fat, slow and looked about to die. Now he gets up to a good speed. Yeah he doesn't need a bike which is used on le tour, but if he needs something nice to get out on to motivate him to improve his health and fitness then so be it. At least then he's less likely to need the use of the NHS.

Fatdoc I'm sure you are not that much of an amateur cycler if thats your Sunday route around the peak.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 03:16:14 pm
I agree, it probably stems from professional jealousy or my micro . . .   :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on February 07, 2008, 03:20:43 pm
. I frequently overtake a chap on a nice cervelo on my way home - and yes I would love one - but don't have that kind of spare cash. He's heading towards 50 and probably falls into 'all gear, no idea' crowd, but at least he is trying to keep/get fit. When I first overtook him he was fat, slow and looked about to die. Now he gets up to a good speed. Yeah he doesn't need a bike which is used on le tour, but if he needs something nice to get out on to motivate him to improve his health and fitness then so be it. At least then he's less likely to need the use of the NHS.
how do you know he not in the last couple of miles of a 100 mile ride and therefore rather fatigued.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 07, 2008, 05:55:07 pm

Fatdoc I'm sure you are not that much of an amateur cycler if thats your Sunday route around the peak.

But i'm totally fucked after.... the extra flat leg to and from castleton is true murder. esp in the wind. if the weather keeps up i'll trying to do it in 4hrs on sunday  :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on February 07, 2008, 07:02:29 pm
I bought a Giant SCR1 through cycle scheme last summer and put an 07 filte gel on it. Then my school pulled out of said agreement leaving me with an extra £400 of debt. Nice.

Whatever, I kane it from Heeley to Hillsborough every day pretty much. 10 mile round trip. When the weather's nice I might even go for a ride in the Peak. I guess I'm saying I would be interested in going for a potter with you guys sometime. My knee hurts occasionally, and could we stop at a cafe too? I always thought that cycling to Raven Tor would be rather glamorous. Imagine doing Mecca in Lycra. Oh hang on, that were 1986.

Incidently, is it true you can buy excellent shorts from Aldi?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 07:12:32 pm
Shorts from ALDI?  I'll look tomorrow for you.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on February 07, 2008, 07:21:16 pm
Splendid. It might be Lidel but I couldn't remember how it was spelt.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 07:25:54 pm
They're adjacent to each other where I live.  What product?   EXACTLY.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on February 07, 2008, 07:35:51 pm
Hmm, lycra shorts with padding. I've only ever owned one pair and they're 6 years old. Is that a bit wrong? Cost per wear has turned out quite well. I even wash them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 07:39:52 pm
I'll see what I see.  I'll look in Penny Markt too and cover all low-rent options.  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on February 07, 2008, 07:45:12 pm
Incidently, is it true you can buy excellent shorts from Aldi?
Not sure I'd call them excellent, certainly cheap. My mountain biking winter tights are Aldi specials, very good for about £6, ideal for stuff that gets worn out/ripped fast. For basic cycling shorts/tops Decathlon are also super cheap. Aldi have biking stuff pretty regularly, but on occasion Lidl have some too but not nearly so often. Because their specials change 2 or 3 times a week if you want something specific subscribe to the newsletter at http://www.aldi.co.uk/ that will give you a heads up a few days ahead of them getting stuff in.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 08, 2008, 04:33:32 pm
dhb shorts from the Mr Wiggle company aren't bad. I use the bib tights for commuting to work. The pad is fine for rides up to 3 hours, and they seem to wash pretty well. The long tights are £30, not as good as Assos etc but for thrashing around town they are fine.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 08, 2008, 06:04:25 pm
I bought a Giant SCR1 through cycle scheme last summer and put an 07 filte gel on it. Then my school pulled out of said agreement leaving me with an extra £400 of debt. Nice.

Whatever, I kane it from Heeley to Hillsborough every day pretty much. 10 mile round trip. When the weather's nice I might even go for a ride in the Peak. I guess I'm saying I would be interested in going for a potter with you guys sometime. My knee hurts occasionally, and could we stop at a cafe too? I always thought that cycling to Raven Tor would be rather glamorous. Imagine doing Mecca in Lycra. Oh hang on, that were 1986.

Incidently, is it true you can buy excellent shorts from Aldi?

Baron,

you're more than welcome to ride with me. Mate & I going for the loop I mentioned above on sunday. 8:30 beauchief pub on abbeydale rd..
Have you seen the weather forecast?? It's amazing!!! alternate bouldering / riding for me for 7 days then! ;D (hols time!!!, finally got lucky with winter weather, ace!)

Getting boiled in the bag on the commute last couple of days, time to relinquish the fleece lined tights and get the intermediate weight jerseys and sleeveless underlayers out. Already in summer gloves  ;D ;D

BTW, good effort on mecca in 1986.... some few years before the 1st ascent??  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 08, 2008, 07:09:26 pm
Busy this w/end, but could be psyched for a morning ride next week, Doc. You keen? Took delivery of my replacement winter bike today, after an angst ridden couple of weeks without. Thank you ride2work scheme and Planet X. You wait and see - a beautiful thing! Now training can start in earnest for the Cat....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 08, 2008, 08:56:33 pm
my current (flexible cos I'm looking after the kids as well) plan is: saturday - burb boulders en famile, sunday morn ride (confirmed 8:30 start at the beauchief pub - one other so far), monday brimham (en famile), tues morn - same ride as sunday- as long as I'm not dead or legs totally fucked from sunday-  i'd prefer an early start on that one, weds - peak grit en famile or caley... , thurs morn same ride (ish...) i'm working friday... sat ride early (again same plan), sunday working...

 weekday morning rides can be started anytime (ish) in the week from 7 a.m onwards, to suit others.

please remember that I'm really shit before joining in!

all welcome of course...

those of us that are in the sportives.... get your miles in boys and girls!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on February 08, 2008, 09:20:19 pm
Cripes Doc your loop may be a little too much for my weedy legs, but I could certainly ride with you guys some of the way. Thing is I'm off to Gogarth on Monday for a few days. Wouldn't want to furnish myself with any convenient excuses like "I can't walk" or "my leg loops will chaff my saddle sores". Might well see you Sunday then.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 09, 2008, 07:42:38 am
Doing the family thing this w/end - royal visit to the folks! Velodrome on Tues morning, but could well be up for a do on Thursday Doc. Will keep you posted!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 09, 2008, 06:12:18 pm
Cripes Doc your loop may be a little too much for my weedy legs, but I could certainly ride with you guys some of the way. Thing is I'm off to Gogarth on Monday for a few days. Wouldn't want to furnish myself with any convenient excuses like "I can't walk" or "my leg loops will chaff my saddle sores". Might well see you Sunday then.

8:30, beauchief pub on abbeydale rd. dont worry if you cant make this one, there will be others!  There's only me and a roadie mate from work going - he is playing the i'm not fit card.. i dont believe him - but he'll wait for us! I'll have a look on here first thing tomorrow, let me know if you'll be coming - we'll hang on for you if you're a bit late! no elitist club rules here!

With sore skin from the awesome day today has been it seems like a good option for me.
one day on bike, one day on climbing.... it doesnt get much better than this!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 10, 2008, 08:09:50 am
PMed you my mobile, I'm off!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 10, 2008, 07:44:26 pm
Yo Doc. Weather too good for indoors at the V'drome, so might well join you for a spin out on Tuesday, if you're still keen/uninjured ;)
Word on the street is that the Snake Pass is still closed and will reopen this wednesday - until then its a closed road that you can ride your bike over in peace and quiet (and hopefully relative safety too!) It could be a good option if you want a longer/steady ride - Glossop and back? Or whatever you want.... I'll PM you my moblie no. if I can work out how to do it...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 11, 2008, 08:17:47 am
soz, bad skin en famille has delayed climbing plans.... after a tub of climb on my lads have unresolved issues at burbage boulders, so climbing tues now ( fair go to the little uns, it is their half term). bizarrely i think i may be getting a little fitter, 1st 50 miler with no leg pain the day after at all today! that snake pass would have been good, damn!

cold, isnt it!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 11, 2008, 09:40:29 am
Nooooo! Who wheel am I going to follow now?!?! No worries - I will be out most days this week. If you're heading out give us a bell and we'll hook up.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 11, 2008, 01:59:30 pm
Open invite to all:

the ride I describe above, 8:30 beauchief pub on this saturday morning...


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on February 11, 2008, 04:51:32 pm
50 miles or so you say? I could well be up for that.

If I get left behind I can always make my own way home.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 11, 2008, 08:44:32 pm
As I say, open to all...
so far there's 3... me. someone fitter than me (who'll wait) and someone less fit... this really isnt a lycra fitness show - we all need the fitness... and arnt proud.. you're slow? so what...

come along!!

need confirmation the night before - that's all!

(dont want to wait in near freezing air temps for a no show... once you're there patience not an issue - you'll probs beat me up the first hill anyway)


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on February 12, 2008, 01:27:44 pm
Shouldn't be a problem (apart from getting up at 8am...).

How do you want me to confirm? I can virtually guarantee that I'll be there - I need to rack those miles up.

If you mail me your number I'll text you Friday night.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 12, 2008, 04:45:36 pm
The Snake Pass is still closed, and should be for a bit longer yet judging by the two large holes in the road, and nobody doing any work on them! However, you can ride your bike along it it perfect peace and quiet. Just been out for a do along it and it was amazing - a beautiful day and an amazing road to ride on when there is no traffic. The descent is brilliant cos you can use all the road - just as well when your going in excess of 70 kph! Get in while you still can - once its opened one of the current best rides in the Peak will be ruined (until the road subsides again, next year...)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 12, 2008, 04:58:24 pm
Agree Percy I rode it on Monday and it was bliss, no twats in white vans trying to kill you. How much longer is it closed for?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 12, 2008, 07:48:28 pm
perc,

i presume the weather will be OK on thurs...

I'm going up the snake mate! got ALL day pass out from the family  ;D

What's the best way there and back? I presume you have it embroiled into a circuit?? or is it big enough in itself? Are you still free?

anyone else!!???

(i know i can descend,... but 70 kph!!.. fuck me i'm impressed)

tlr [Tim]... i'll PM you my mobile for saturday mate.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on February 12, 2008, 08:08:57 pm
Fatdoc!

How come you don't use rubber medical gloves instead of constant hand washing and soft skin problems?  Would they help?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 12, 2008, 08:46:48 pm
Knew you'd swing it Doc! Assuming the weather is simular to today I reckon midday kickoff to allow the ice to melt. I suggest  Beauchief, Owler Bar, Fox House, Hathersage, Bamford, Ladybower, Snake, round the roundabout in Glossop and back, (or just spin around on the top of the Snake if goosed)! Short version gives you about 80+ Kms with around 1000 metres climbing, long version is longer and gains considerably more altitude. I normally decide on the top if I want to go all the way to Glossop - you need a few beans to get back up the hill (I bonked so badly on this last year, I was close to tears - rationing tiny sips of my last gel!)

I was told that the Snake was to reopen tomorrow, but seeing as there is 2 massive holes in the road and there was no-one up there working today, I doubt it will reopen before the weekend. That said, if it ain't closed on Thursday we can head off on a magical mystery tour, (but probably taking in Yorkshire Bridge, Mam Nick, etc, etc...)

Either way, you're on. See you at 12 on Thurs at the beauchief hotel. Anybody else, feel free....the more the merrier!

PS: All this assumes that I will be able to walk unassissted tomorrow!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: LucyB on February 13, 2008, 09:45:27 am
[quote
PS: All this assumes that I will be able to walk unassissted tomorrow!
[/quote]

PPS And that he asks his fine, fat, lady-friend for a pass out on Valentines Day...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 13, 2008, 11:20:17 am
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

whoops. Bit over rated the valentine thing I reckon..!!

I'm doubtful of the fitness to get back from glossop, esp as you still gotta get back to sheff somehow!!

but yeah, I'll there at 12!!

(off to buy kilo of energy gel...)




Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 13, 2008, 11:47:54 am
Whoops! Don't worry - my lovely tubby lady has given me the all clear (and anyway, its a bit late for a Valentines card to express my intentions seeing as she's got a bun in the oven!) Forgat all about the Valentines day bollocks  :-[

The embarrasment of getting busted on an internet forum will take some getting over though....!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 13, 2008, 12:05:01 pm
er... working out times and stuff.... could we make it 11:30... or are you taking lights!!!!!

(i'll take mine if you take yours!!)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 13, 2008, 12:57:45 pm
Lights? Don't think you'll need them to be honest. I went out at half 1 yesterday and was back home just after 4. Not even dusky when I got back. We should piss it starting an hour and a half earlier. (The previous comment should fit well into the forthcoming 'famous last words' thread, i reckon)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 13, 2008, 07:17:05 pm
oh fuck...

Ok. see you at 12 at the beauchief!!

snake, closed... cool!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 14, 2008, 06:23:53 pm
Nice ride today with the doc. My computer says 2500 calories burned, and 3400 feet of climbing. Your days of saying you're a roadie punter are limited Jon!  8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 14, 2008, 07:56:32 pm
my computer the same, with an av 24kph... thanks for waiting on the hills mate.. I'm not in a good way now after having eaten [classic fatdoc - 500g of medium rare steak in a mustad vinegrette and a tub of salad, with 2 cans of lager and 2 glasses of sparkling rose,  :pissed: ], in fact I've  an hour's work on the computer than I'm off to bed! Shocking state of affairs when the kids go to bed after you.. there's a taste of the future!!

saturday morning ride as advertised on here guys.. 8:30 beauchief hotel... even percy is considering it! not as harsh (in elevation) but longer (just... 86 km ish..), defo dont want to go down the usual forum ride planning clique here - all are truly welcome... after all - we're climbers first and foremost..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on February 15, 2008, 09:12:09 am
This guys (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/7245381.stm) done a fair few miles recently. :jaw:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 15, 2008, 06:16:32 pm
I'm calling off the ride on saturday  :'(

cant make it cos of family stuff...

soz

be out next weekend though, sorry guys.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 15, 2008, 08:25:57 pm
Good call! I've just spent all day routesetting on the 24 metre endurothon wall at Sunderland so the thought of hauling my arse out of bed at 7am for brekkie again wasn't looking that appealing (and its forecast to be -5 degrees tonight too - could be a little fresh on the extremities at eight thirty in the morning). I vote for a lie-in followed by an afternoon out on the grit. Bike will wait until Sunday for me I think.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on February 18, 2008, 09:49:23 am
No worries, I went out both days anyway, 75km/1600m on Saturday and 50km/1200m on Saturday. I even managed to get out bouldering as well.

I can't do next weekend as I'm off skiing for 3 days but I should be up for it after that again.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 18, 2008, 05:16:17 pm
Anyone else mad enough to freeze their arse of this morning commuting to work. Must has been minus 5 or something and despite loads of clothing and two pairs of gloves I was bloody frozen.

Got out on Saturday for a proper ride 68miles, which I thought was alright.

Think I need some warmer gay tights if the weather stays his cold
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 20, 2008, 09:21:28 am
Here's one for all you rubber-neckers...... I was very careful at the velodrome yesterday, fearful of emmulating these guys! Click the huge cycling crash link...
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/embedvideo.html?p=18#
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 20, 2008, 09:59:28 am
There's just no way I'm commuting in this. I've done it about 50% of the time this year... -1 or -2 is fine... but -6

fuck off...

you can wear a few layers and be OK at the milder temps... but when it gets to what it's been the last couple of days there's just NO way i can keep warm... and 16km totally frozen each way with a 10 hr working day inbetween is not on!!

I'm not working today... umming and arring.. got the bike on the trainer looking at me with menaces... but it seems to be getting  a bit warmer... could get out.. hmmm....

you lot are certainly getting the miles in - I feel some peer pressure coming on here!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 20, 2008, 01:22:48 pm
Got to get the miles in - sportive season looms.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 20, 2008, 02:12:25 pm
weather ace for sunday morning.. i.e: above freezing! be too warm for grit anyway  :whistle:

9 a.m beauchief? so far it's perc and me..

BTW.. moral to anyone with a variable resistance turbo trainer.. check the resistance setting before embarking on a 40 min cadance based leg churn from hell. Or you will find it seems a damn sight harder than it's meant to  :wall:  I wondered why I near died on the sprint part of the session
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 20, 2008, 04:50:33 pm
Bit like when I was riding to work in the freezing fog /snow yesterday. I was going up yet another Sheffield hill,thinking this seems steeper than normal only to realise at the top that I had not changed down gears. Oh well maybe it'll make me stronger
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on February 20, 2008, 04:52:09 pm
Oh well maybe it'll make me stronger

Only if it doesn't kill you  :P
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 24, 2008, 10:46:43 am
following my purchase of a very fine late 70s colnago, i have decided to enter this - http://www.eroica.it/ (http://www.eroica.it/)

(http://www.eroica.it/gall08.jpg)
(http://www.eroica.it/gall10.jpg)
(http://www.eroica.it/gall14.jpg)
(http://www.eroica.it/gall15.jpg)

anyone else up for it?!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 24, 2008, 06:58:45 pm
Fixed and single-speed only?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 24, 2008, 07:36:29 pm
Modern bike catagory, or vintage bike... don't know what qualifies as a vintage bike though. Lots of people do this sportive on bikes from the 50's onwards with gears, freewheels, all mod cons. The website has various regulations, but doing this on an oldschool fixie would be hardcore! What ever you ride though, it looks great. I saw a load of pics somewhere of last years Eroica and it looks amazing. White gravel roads, riders covered in white dust, nasty hills and descents, a full-on spicy day out. What distance do you fancy, Yosser? The real deal, or a shorter version?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 24, 2008, 07:38:50 pm
next sunday Perc is going to help me pop my mam nick cherry, with a little jaunt over to sparrowpit, returning via stoney and froggatt...

9 a.m at the beauchief if any of you sheff based fellow masochists are up for it..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 24, 2008, 07:57:24 pm
i'm going to send my entry form in tomorrow, for the full distance. no point going all the way to italy for anything less...

some people ride it with modern bikes and kit, but the majority go for the proper period gear. i'd be surprised if many people do the full course on proper old fixed wheel bikes though. i'm sure there are some, but you've got to be a bloody lunatic to try that.

i need a new set of wheels and freewheel for the colnago, cos i'm not riding tubs on all those gravel bits and a 12-18 cassette is going to be pretty painful. i think 14-25 would be a touch more sensible.

and wine at the feeding stations! just need a pouch of speed to complete the true retro experience...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on February 25, 2008, 03:34:42 pm
wine, speed and one of these:

http://www.prendas.co.uk/details.asp?ID=1834
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 25, 2008, 09:42:43 pm
All I need now is an old colnago to ride, anybody know where I can get hold of one?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 25, 2008, 09:47:21 pm
not for sale, but fucking tasty...
http://www.raydobbins.com/mexicooro/ (http://www.raydobbins.com/mexicooro/)

i'm already shitting it re the eroica. due to my penchant for falling off, plus the possibility of having to walk up hills i am already considering utilising some retro styled spd shoes rather than the original top clipped pedals. i found these awesome adidas classic styled carbon shoes, but there's no way i'm walking up gravel hills in carbon soled £120 racing shoes.

i will be walking. oh dear.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 25, 2008, 10:03:37 pm
Yossarian what are you riding? Or can you borrow that lovely colnago?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 25, 2008, 10:26:31 pm
i'll post a picture tomorrow...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 26, 2008, 08:22:24 am
If anybody fancies a retro bike then you can make me an offer on this beast

http://www.scarpa.co.uk/team/gallery.asp?TeamID=11&Year=2006&Month=12

Basically if you offer enough to pay for the new bits I put on it - it's yours (there's probably £125 of replacement bits on it - new calipers,levers, front and rear mech, saddle and cables). However, buyer beware....its not all good. The campag seatpin is rusted into the down tube - probably just needs bullying out but I couldn't shift it....I didn't try that hard though. And the frame is a bit rusty in places, not bad, but cosmetically slightly upsetting. Its most noticable when little rust spots have come through the chroming on the forks. I have used it a bit this winter, but basically have had to come to terms with the fact that I can't deal with retro bike horror. I already had the original rear mech explode on me ('cos the spring that tensions the chain had lost its springyness) and it is not a good size for me - I so desperately want it to fit but I'm just a bit too tall - the frame would be perfect for a rider 5'9" to 6'0". To cut a long story short, wrong size = bad knees, and although it is an amazing ride and I love it dearly, it is destined to gather dust in my garage for ever more unless someone wants it.

On the plus side, it has the original Colnago crankset on it (as in the pictures on the Ray Dobbins site) - old school 42-52 ratios. And original bars, stem - you can even have the original wheels (its got a modern pair on in the pic - it came with some lovely beefy bespoke wheels which I still have...campag hubs and Mavic rims, and a 6 speed cassette).

You'd look the business repairing this at the side of the road at the Eroica along with all the other guys on retro bikes that will fall apart over the course! ;)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 26, 2008, 10:06:29 am
(http://www.simontyler.co.uk/colnago.jpg)

not a great picture, but you get the idea. i think some slightly wider bars, brooks leather bar tape, new wheels (just bought some super record hubs to have built up with something strongish) and tyres, and then it'll be ready for my beasting...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 26, 2008, 10:13:40 am
Very nice! Could do with a second bottle cage for the Eroica - maybe something large enough to acomodate a wine bottle though... :alky:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 26, 2008, 10:40:53 am
bloody hell, not likely. well, not until near the end! and i think i am going to disguise a load of powerbars by wrapping them up in brown paper and string. and caffeine gel in a battered old hipflask.

the footwear thing is troubling me slightly though, as wearing SPDs is not really the done thing. but there's inevitably going to be some walking involved and i'm certainly going to crash a few times. so it's either some kind of normal shoes with the clips, or some retro styled mtb SPD shoes.

as an aside, i am organising a london to brighton night ride on saturday 19th july. i say "organise", what i really mean is telling a load of people to turn up at trafalgar square at 11pm. bit of a trek for most of you chaps, but i thought i'd mention it anyway.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 26, 2008, 12:31:40 pm
actually, bollocks. you don't get a "special prize" (a blowjob from the daughter of the mayor of gaiole perhaps?) unless you use clips and straps, so that's what it's going to have to be...


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 27, 2008, 07:36:02 am
Very nice Yossarian. Even looks in good conditon - which I am sure it won't after the trip to Italy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 27, 2008, 08:08:07 am
Er yes. I will just have to make sure that my body takes most of the abuse in any crashes.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on February 27, 2008, 01:01:33 pm
Percy,

I'm interested in that bike of yours. Could we arrange a viewing?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 27, 2008, 07:24:42 pm
What is the etiquette on drafting? Somebody drafted off me for around three miles today up hill. I didn't even know the person and he didn't even attempt a conversation or thank me for the ride up a hill into a head wind. Percy how much do you want for that Colnago?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 27, 2008, 07:33:41 pm
Dunno - make me an offer... It rides OK, but the frame needs a bit of loving. All the other bits are new or work ok, so its perfect for somebody who wants to restore it to its former glory. If you boys want a look, I'll take it down the Works one night and you can check it out. When's good for you guys?

As for grabing somebodies wheel for a free ride - its a bit rude not to engage in a bit of friendly banter, even if its just to say "I'm knackered - do you mind if I ride behind you for a bit?!?" Unless of course, you're trying so hard to stay on a wheel that you can't talk, although I haven't got behind many people I can't do a turn on the front for. Maybe he was just checking out your arse, Fatleg? :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 27, 2008, 07:40:44 pm
Thats what I thought checking my arse out. I'm around Friday all day- any good to check the colnago out?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 27, 2008, 08:08:02 pm
Dunno - make me an offer... It rides OK, but the frame needs a bit of loving. All the other bits are new or work ok, so its perfect for somebody who wants to restore it to its former glory. If you boys want a look, I'll take it down the Works one night and you can check it out. When's good for you guys?

As for grabing somebodies wheel for a free ride - its a bit rude not to engage in a bit of friendly banter, even if its just to say "I'm knackered - do you mind if I ride behind you for a bit?!?" Unless of course, you're trying so hard to stay on a wheel that you can't talk, although I haven't got behind many people I can't do a turn on the front for. Maybe he was just checking out your arse, Fatleg? :-\

that'll be me on all my rides with perc so far, very accomadating chap!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 27, 2008, 08:52:29 pm
Friday morning any good Fatleg? I'll be in the Works - the closed sign will be on the door, but give it a push and bobs your uncle!

I might need to go behind you at the weekend, Jon - 20mph winds forecast and my Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome (sore knees) mean I need to take it easy. Any possiblity of a tow-rope? Still mad for it, though....been resting and tweaking my bike set-up so hopefully should see an improvement in the knee pain thing soon.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 27, 2008, 08:56:46 pm
Friday am should be cool i'll pop down then cheers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 27, 2008, 09:40:03 pm
I might be in Shef on Sat 8th, and could always bring a bike with me in case anyone fancies a ride. Or a look at my arse. However, I have barely been out 5 times this year, and am carrying a considerable weight, so any ride would almost certainly have to be punctuated with a number of pauses.

I am quite keen for a Peak beasting though.

I was in an early season road race last year (a bad idea) and was on the wheel of a couple of bunches and in each case I couldn't speak at all.

One of my Eroica contacts (a supplier of rare and prescribed Campag components) advised me today that one of his friends who managed a sub 57 minute 25 mile TT in the 1960s said that the 2006 Eroica was the hardest thing he'd ever done.

I was going to reply that the hardest thing I've ever done was to pop into Vivienne Westwood during the sale knowing that my credit card was already maxed out, but I didn't think he's appreciate the message that I was trying to get across.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on February 28, 2008, 07:20:22 am
I'm at work Friday morning. Thats ok tho, I should really spend the money on paying off my fridge. Or some Open Pros with 105 hubs...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 28, 2008, 08:58:24 am
I'm plotting a route for friday....

these winds look  serious.....

I'm out sunday too perc...

just gonna see if i can get this bootcamp thingie to run my memorymap... could be sets up and down the A6 at bakewwell or reps of the froggatt hill if its too windy to wander up to mam tor... i've blown off twice now in  3 weeks.. not funny.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on February 28, 2008, 09:11:05 am
i've blown off twice now in  3 weeks

Who was the lucky guy? Sorry, i couldn't resist ;D

Friday and Sunday are going to piss it down :(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on February 28, 2008, 09:15:14 am
I'll be on for a Sunday ride I reckon. Reps of Froggatt or even Curbar hills will be a good idea if the weather is too foul and windy to risk the A623.

9am at Beauchief.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 28, 2008, 09:29:57 am
cool. see you there Tim.

map issues a plenty here, arse....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on February 28, 2008, 10:03:04 am
If its too wet to climb then I might get out for a couple of hours as well.
Whats the planned route FD ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 28, 2008, 10:51:06 am
Fridays weather looks utter shite - very windy. What time you going out Fri, FD? Might be keen for a spot of misery - knees coming good I think! If I get out I might need to be a bit more specific with a time for Colnago viewing, Fatleg....I'll let you know once I know what the doc has in store...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 28, 2008, 10:55:22 am
Reeewind... Friday morning atcually looks good for a ride - cold, clear and 12mph winds- crapping out big style later with gales forecast. You keen FD? Might push colnago viewing back to lunchtime Fatleg - still OK?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on February 28, 2008, 02:16:56 pm
Fatdoc, great to see you doing all this road training for our 24h mtb race event.  Guess you'll be up for at least 12 hours out of the 24 now?  I see Dolly is coming out (?) with you too now that he is too scared to go mtb'ing. 

I'll settle for a few hours out in Calderdale on the mtb and a beer after in the boozer with Dr Smith.   :goodidea:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 28, 2008, 02:42:27 pm
just groaning after 78km at 23kph.. baslow - abney - monselhead - ashford - bakewell - chatsworth - baslow - owler - holmesfield - home


got a story for you....

you're 60km in... hate the baslow hill, decide that length of hill that far into a ride would surly be good for fitness.. got to be a good simulation for the sportive that is now looming into the near future (and despite getting the ragging shits from a free work lunch the day before you're out riding - so what the hell)... 100m up you catch with some old roadie geeeza... he's  taking it well steady... using the same gear ratio but hardly seems to be trying... he's going just too slow for it to feel comfy drafted in behind, so you scoot past, say hello and drop in to let him settle on your wheel... he sticks to it like glue. I'm getting a bit of a gasp going - failing to keep to by blessed hill speed of 16kph... he starts chatting!

He's *taking it easy* cos his chain is about to explode... he's retired... 70 years of age and rides near every day  :o

has to said on the final bit of the hill he did looks as shagged as i felt, and did drop back once we summited, but fair play or what!!

tomorrow... got a window of 9:30 to be home by 14:15 latest... feel a bit battered and sore now... i'll post later to see how i feel in a few hrs.. have to be shortish... or you guys go out without me and we'll all catch up on sunday... off for coffee and to eat the contents of the freezer!


route for sunday??

well...

it's percy's turn to choose..

he's been badgering me (not a roadie activity) to go burb bridge - under stanage - bamford - hope - edale MAM NICK - sparrowpit - stoney - home via froggatt. TBH it looks all OK, except for the 2.5 mile horror of mam nick.

if that's not on (cos of percy's knee and the mam nick gradient) I suggest we do what i did today...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 28, 2008, 06:31:59 pm
Yo FD. How about 9.30 tomorrow at the beauchief and then a quick coupla hours - I give you my Owler Bar, Hathersage, Bradwell, Bradwell Dale (a bit steep at the top), Tideswell, Stoney and back up Froggatt/Baslow Hill (as you like) loop of justice, or any variation on a theme. We'll piss that in 2 hours - I got some new gay spangly tights so I can't hang around in case anybody sees me! Knee feeling a bit better, but shoulders sore from a session on the rings at the Works. You keen?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 28, 2008, 06:50:20 pm
i'll be there...

may be 5 mins late..

have the right to turn in home early if my chaffes get bad!!

i'll txt a mate, you'll like him - he's well quick!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 28, 2008, 07:12:47 pm
How are the saddles sores - still keeping you up at night? Don't worry - you won't be in the saddle much where I'm taking you tomorrow :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 28, 2008, 07:40:40 pm
i'm sore... :(

dave will keep you entertained, i'll hang back and watch!!

legs sore too

i'm resorting to drugs: wine now, early night, then lethal does of anti inflammatories in the morning, via 3 coffees!!

oh god, wat have i got myself into   :'(

it's not even the sunday shocker yet!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Paul B on February 28, 2008, 09:18:33 pm
Fatdoc Re: your post in another thread

After tonights session I don't think i'm yet strong enough to grip a bar securely enough to ride.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 29, 2008, 08:27:00 am
your time will come...


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on February 29, 2008, 02:04:08 pm
Percy I will have to cancel today as I've been called into work - and do not seem able to leave - Really sorry.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 29, 2008, 02:21:18 pm
No bother. Drop me a line to rearrange another day if your keen.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 29, 2008, 02:22:35 pm
Oh, and FD - your average speed is getting better....not bad considering how knackered you were feeling this morning. Just over 26kph fopr todays ride isn't too shoddy!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 01, 2008, 08:21:39 pm
after swooping off the top of the walls  of your fine establishment for 3 hours today I'm sure my legs will still feel like shite tomorrow.... hmmm 20 mph headwind... nice!!

I think there will be 3 or 4 of us...

9 a.m. beauchief as per the norm..


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 02, 2008, 07:12:32 am
well..

i dont think so... at the moment if you think i'm going out (apart from to see how many slates my roofs just lost) I think it would be truly lethal.

I'm going on the trainer.


tlr mate, hope you read this before going out... I've lost yr mobile.. i've txted everyone else.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 02, 2008, 08:30:38 am
No worries. I assumed that would be the case. It would be very dangerous out there at the moment.

I may try and get out later if it calms down, or down the wall for an hour or two. Or maybe I'll go and buy myself a turbo trainer....

I'll PM you my mobile for next time.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 02, 2008, 12:08:54 pm
Nice to see Operation Certain Death has been cancelled. If the bloody wind ever dies down I might try and grab an hour later. Defo up for a long ride mid week if anybody else is skiving.... time for more miles in the legs I think. Currently passing the time reading a nice article on Shimano vesus Campag in the new Rouleur mag. Well worth a read.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 02, 2008, 03:58:45 pm
And now there is SRAM offering a sub 2000g groupset. Rouleur nice magazine - bit expensive though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 02, 2008, 05:19:32 pm
 went out with rutlandcc saturday and put an extra loop on over strines on the way back. when we got in my mate said "yeah about 45 miles?", turns out that he is a beast and we had ridden 60. i was fucked up. good moment for me though has to be staying with the group all the way up cragx for the first time since i only got on a bike for the first time in september. (or dropping a wheel grabber up the a57 before the strines turn off)   :thumbsup: .
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/route.jpg)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 02, 2008, 08:14:57 pm
impressive chappers

rutland have a godforsaken reputation of being a bunch of trumped up c*nts. even the slow group has attitude. *dont overtake us we're rutland* , " no riding with us unless you have guards and flaps"

sod that.

audition to enter a cc??? f8ck off! (yes, really)... miss 3 training rides - coz of work- and get shit for it??

er... right.

have you seen their website??? god... so much for welcoming new starters into the sport  ???

you must be pretty fit from your running though, respect.

this is where Yoss and perc's idea of the works easy (ish.. ) riders cc comes into it's own,


you wouldnt believe how hard it can be to find an accessible cc as a total noob in the region of sheff. peeps like perc and some mates I know help out of the goodness of their little hearts - like wot ccs used to do.

I have detailed insider knowledge here, from some of the best in rutland... they care not for their reputation. I suggest steering clear.

your fitness chappers has set you right - impressive as I've said. for the rest of us - Thanks rutland....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 02, 2008, 08:33:39 pm
Aye - my opinion of the club scene is there are a few that seem very 'sniffy' to say the least. I just like riding my bike and pushing myself a bit. I don't need that shit too.....
Having said that, some clubs are awesome. Although not a club, the groups of people who go to the SQT sessions at the velodrome seem a nice crowd - always helpful and full of good advice on all aspects of track racing, etc. SheffRec CC was also recommended to me as being a decent group of folks to ride with - just the thought of riding over to Wadsley Bridge before the start of a club run might be the straw that breaks the proverbial camels back - 10 mile hilly warm-up just to get to the start of a ride ain't so much fun.

I have considered joining a club again in the last few months and doing a bit of road racing, but haven't found a goodun yet... not looking too hard though. Training when I can and the sportive/track scene is enough for me at the moment. I used to be a member of Southborough Wheelers for a short while back in the day (1989?! christ...) and they were pretty decent folks and helpful, but a good Kent based club ain't much use for us Sheffield roadies though.

Road cycling seems way more cliquey than climbing!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on March 02, 2008, 08:56:43 pm
this thread really needs moving over to diet, training & injuries....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 02, 2008, 09:36:30 pm
i have had no problems with rutland thus far, i live in preston, i am not a member of the club and have turned up for 4 rides with a student mate living in sheffield (also not a member). that said, a guy on his first ride out with the club this weekend didnt keep up on cragx and didnt know the route so i hope he got home (i didnt know he was behind or i would have waited, even though i am hardly in a position to wait as pretty much the weakest rider there). i would not appreciate that treatment. yes i am lucky to have started cycling with good fitness, but i cant wait until my legs are stronger!

anyone know a good club up here in preston for weekend club runs?
anyone going to watch the world champs in manc? i was thinking the saturday...get a beer over there?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 02, 2008, 11:05:09 pm
I was out on my own a few weeks ago in the peak and overtook rutland cc. I was going up Hathersage hill towards the fox house. I was abit done in having done a load of hills. There was two groups of them about 30 yards apart, I went past the first group with no real bother and was sitting in behind the second group waiting for traffic to get past. When I went past the second group on a piece of open road with good visibility they gave me a right load of verbals for drafting  of them and that I shouldn't be overtaking them. Bunch of twats in my book, I was going quicker and it was safe to pass.
Cycle clubs just seem abit protective of their own egos.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 03, 2008, 07:59:58 am
but a good Kent based club ain't much use for us Sheffield roadies though.


it would be for me, although southborough is a little way away...

i do kind of sympathise with some of these clubs though, although i guess it depends on how big the club is. i rode with a couple of clubs last year - they both left from the same place on a sunday morning. the more hardcore of the two went off at its own pace (quite fucking fast) and it was just a case of hold on for as long as you could.  the other club sometimes hung on for a bit, or sometimes did its own thing. what i quickly found was that i was caught in the middle - wanting to go faster than the slower one (fairly relaxed friendly 50 - 60 miles) and constantly getting dropped miles away with the fast one (70 - 80 miles fast enough for me to find my heartrate at 10 mile TT level or above for most of the time).

if a club has a fairly serious road racing agenda then they're not going to want to hang around for some new guy...

this year i'm quite happy doing my own thing mostly, and seem to be working most weekends anyhow. but it is fun riding in a big group at speed. it's the only time you really get one over on (the fortunately fairly rare around here) wanker car drivers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 03, 2008, 09:04:34 am
I was out on my own a few weeks ago in the peak and overtook rutland cc. I was going up Hathersage hill towards the fox house. I was abit done in having done a load of hills. There was two groups of them about 30 yards apart, I went past the first group with no real bother and was sitting in behind the second group waiting for traffic to get past. When I went past the second group on a piece of open road with good visibility they gave me a right load of verbals for drafting  of them and that I shouldn't be overtaking them. Bunch of twats in my book, I was going quicker and it was safe to pass.
Cycle clubs just seem abit protective of their own egos.

v similar story from a mate of mine in last 3 weeks as well... he did the same, got the same.  :wank:

dont forget you have to audition to get in, obviously it's not the ability to ride that allows you access to their inner sanctom..  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 03, 2008, 09:40:28 am
Anybody got helmet suggestions. I've got a Giro Atmos and can't seem to get the thing to sit correctly, when it feels fairly secure it ends up leaving two massive marks on my forehead. The wife says it looks like I've been banging my head into a wall. I'm thinking of a change because it also seems to give me a headache. I like the look of the new specialized s-works decibel, anyone got any thoughts.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 03, 2008, 10:36:51 am
I got an Atmos too, although it fits pretty well - and I do have a massive swede! I do get the strange marks on my forehead too though from the padding on the front, but they fade pretty quick. Heard good things about the decibel though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on March 03, 2008, 01:42:22 pm
Fatleg, I'd definately try the specialised since they are good lids. I've had a few since finding the giros didn't quite fit me as well as I would like. Its a like climbing shoes though, what is good for one person doesn't always work for another.

Clubs wise, I agree with alot of what you guys are finding. The time trial orientated ones can be a real load of bores and completely anti social. Thats why I've stuck with a club 200 miles away.......they are bloody great in their attitude to all comers and have the best kit around. Sorted! For anyone riders in the Lincoln area I would recommend checking them out 
http://www.veloclublincoln.co.uk/ (http://www.veloclublincoln.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on March 03, 2008, 02:22:38 pm
Anybody got helmet suggestions.
Definitely try on all the main brands until you find one that fits best. Virtually none fit me except the Giro's, watch out for the 'one size' ones now that are supposed to fit all size heads, they will still move about loads and not protect you much. If your trying to save some cash, try Half**ds (I know it's a dirty word in the world of biking) and Decathlon.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 03, 2008, 03:15:33 pm
I tried loads of lids before buying the atmos and at the time it seemed to fit really well, but now it just pisses me off. May go and try a spec one - do James's in Sheffield stock them?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 03, 2008, 03:28:41 pm
Anybody got helmet suggestions.

Catlike Whisper Plus. not seen one in the flesh, but they look bad ass.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on March 05, 2008, 09:48:09 am
Road rage Mario Cipollini style

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mJomoEk81o4&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mJomoEk81o4&feature=related)

I really wish I could speak italian!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 05, 2008, 05:37:55 pm
This is amusing
 
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/humour-leg-shaving-advice-for-cyclists-14792 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/humour-leg-shaving-advice-for-cyclists-14792)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 05, 2008, 08:05:23 pm
I am the only rider in the 30-odd group of folks who train at the velodrome on tuesday mornings who has hairy legs - I feel a bit like a leper, but am resisting the urge to depilate. No good will come of it, you mark my words... Shaving is the beginning of the end - once you've gone through the horrific itchy hell of letting it grow back, its even thicker, darker and denser. This wisdom comes not of my own experience, but of a close friend and fellow climber who once shaved his nuts for a laugh. He wasn't laughing for long..... Being driven on a motorway by a driver who has the worlds itchiest testicles is a terrifying experience - constant swerving and braking as he flailed at himself in a frenzied way. Not a good idea :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 05, 2008, 08:11:38 pm
I'm sticking with the hairy look too.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on March 06, 2008, 08:50:49 am
I am the only rider in the 30-odd group of folks who train at the velodrome on tuesday mornings who has hairy legs - I feel a bit like a leper, but am resisting the urge to depilate. No good will come of it, you mark my words... Shaving is the beginning of the end - once you've gone through the horrific itchy hell of letting it grow back, its even thicker, darker and denser. This wisdom comes not of my own experience, but of a close friend and fellow climber who once shaved his nuts for a laugh. He wasn't laughing for long..... Being driven on a motorway by a driver who has the worlds itchiest testicles is a terrifying experience - constant swerving and braking as he flailed at himself in a frenzied way. Not a good idea :thumbsdown:

not to mention all the zits you get on your legs caused by the irritation of the stubble rubbing on your trousers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 06, 2008, 08:58:44 am
Was just about to whinge about training this morniong in thick drizzle and miserable headwinds - and then I remembered this

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y5wPEymv-oQ

which puts a more rosy complexion on things! The clip is from the infamous climb of the Gavia in the 1988 Giro - completed in a very unpleasant snowstorm. In italian, but doesn't really need translating! Old school :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 06, 2008, 12:43:32 pm
1000 metres of climbing this morning, Fatdoc! Now I need calories, pronto.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 06, 2008, 01:16:22 pm
Anybody trying to ride at the weekend? Saturday looks crap and windy, Sunday slightly less so.

Is the 9am Beauchief ride going to try again on Sunday?

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 06, 2008, 01:22:50 pm
really  :o

I feel OK... ish

Wow!, i'm getting fitter.. really keen to do the same on sunday with the foray into Litton? Was only 60km on my computa and few more km wouldnt go amiss. Ran out of time today... need a few hrs of even worse pain and suffering to get the papers for my annual appraisal in by the end of the day  :(

BTW, Nearly lost it on the descent after stanage "oh shit, i'm off" actually went through my mind.... that's the bit you were ahead doing in excess of 70kph!!

damn fine route mate, thanks!

It's Sunday for Perc and me Tim, meet either Beauchief at 9 a.am of where abbey lane meets hathersage road at 9:15. weather dependant - today was OK (well, ridable anyway)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: runt on March 06, 2008, 04:22:20 pm
One for the users of lightweight roadie bits:

I've had an ITM mantis ahead stem on a ribble bike for 4 years, just touched the rear bolts with an allen key and the rear of the stem fractured.
First time I've had ahead on a road bike, but do these things have a lifespan? work hardening through flexing and vibration etc?
None of my mtb stems have done this, and the offending itm article looks of similar construction.
I've had the bike through one swedish winter, down to -20 ish, but it hasn't done millions of miles or anything, should I be worried about the rest of the components/frame??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 06, 2008, 05:32:11 pm
Percy that youtube looks like proper suffering, and I thought I was feeling the cold recently.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 06, 2008, 05:48:08 pm
Aye. Nobodies had to lift me off a bike and carry me into a waiting vehicle recently!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 07, 2008, 01:24:29 pm
Gents



It's Sunday for Perc and me Tim, meet either Beauchief at 9 a.am of where abbey lane meets hathersage road at 9:15. weather dependant - today was OK (well, ridable anyway)

I'll be at the Abbey Lane/Hathersage Rd junction then just after 9. Its nearer my house than Beauchief.

Just have to take it easy at Milanos the night before, and lay off the Blue Nun.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 07, 2008, 08:10:58 pm
whats the sp on milanos?

heard good reports..... ?


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 07, 2008, 09:01:27 pm
I really like Milanos, probably my favourite place now 543 has disappeared. Good food and a non-stuffy atmosphere (relatively). Its just a shame that they have started doing 'sittings' so you can eat at 7 or 9.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 07, 2008, 09:19:28 pm
Milanos is worth a trip - very nice food. Bearing in mind the preposterous ammount of wind I had the day after the last time I ate there, bags not riding behind Tim on Sunday morning....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on March 08, 2008, 01:04:57 am

Aye, Milanos is good, surprised you've not been Fatdoc coz it's only down the road.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 08, 2008, 07:20:55 am
Milano's is top, well worth the price, which can't be said of some top end eating joints in Sheffield. Its regularly mentioned in things like the Observer food guide and regarded as one of the top Italians in the UK outside London.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 08, 2008, 05:53:29 pm
i hate fixed sittings.

one too early, one too late.

forecast is good for ricding tomorrow, bit cold - not windy. despite the rain lashing the windows at the mo!

9 at beauchief, bit later further on up the road where abbey lane meets hathersage road then, cool.

so far it's perc, tim, my mate dave and me... if anyone else interested post your intentions so if you're a few mins late we can wait for you.

i'll be keen to repeat percy's last ride - with a loop round litton thrown in. really varied and interesting - once the climb to stanage is done it's really good rolling. be a bout 65 km... i'll break off to owler bar  / holmesfield once over froggatt hill... if you're on the other side of sheff we could split and so you get to descend home on the hathersage road.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 08, 2008, 06:08:37 pm
fatdoc, you are skating dangerously close to the point at which you will have to revoke all claims of being a punter and instead speak with great authority about all things bicycle.

i failed to get out today (miserable greasy drizzle down here) but will try and do so tomorrow. however, i doubt i'll do more than 30 miles...

i have new-found respect for all you peak riders. i drove from macclesfield to buxton the other day (passing nicole cooke twice - at least i think it was her - not terribly hot chick in british cycling gear going quite fast up a hill) and it was like a bloody roller-coaster. if / when i make it up for one of these weekend rides then i think some liposuction might be in order beforehand.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 08, 2008, 08:28:14 pm
How about this tomorrow?

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/112265

..or a version of. The Bikely mapping thing is awesome - all it needs to have is some contours on the maps to make it truly amazing (and maybe a way of working out total metres climbed for the route).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 08, 2008, 08:31:05 pm
Sorry - just worked it out. Click on show and then elevation profile for the lumpiness of the ride. Looks good, no? Now I'm of to try and find a ride that looks like a pair of tits, and then one that looks like a cock and balls, and then.........
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 08, 2008, 09:06:37 pm
wont load up right on my browser  ???

as long as we *collect* everyone on the way out I'm up for whatever (xcept winnats)

tim and dave at top road, perc and me 1st at the beauchief is the plan
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 08, 2008, 09:32:31 pm
Cool. No Winnats - don't panic..... The weather looks ok too, so shold be good. Manyana...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on March 08, 2008, 09:35:23 pm
That bikely site is great. Just added a few of my training rides and its interesting to see how long some of the hills go on for-generally longer than I thought. A useful post that Percy. Thanks
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 09, 2008, 05:21:47 pm
Nice ride today - cheers boys! 100km with aprox 1500 metres climbing. Was chatting to Tim about bike weights and peoples obsession with lightness earlier, and then this caught my eye.....

http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-17212505.html

Scroll down a bit to read about Germans with weight obsessions. Nutters.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 09, 2008, 05:38:36 pm
I doubt I'd make it more than 2 miles down the road without that thing collapsing underneath me.

I went out for a couple of hours with the express intention of hurting myself. I claimed the KOM points on Goudhurst hill, and since I got home I have been having problems with stairs...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 09, 2008, 05:46:29 pm
this computer is 2 flights up... doubt i'll be posting for a couple of days after this.. too disabled.

longest ride for me that, 4 hr 15 mins.. longest before 3 hr 3o ish... it's time in the saddle that tires i say - and the evil route concocted by perc and tim...

I was aiming for the cheshire cat in 4 hr 30, which is shorter, hopefully about the same height.. their site is pants so i'll have to guess a bit there...  even without so much blatant drafting that I displayed from calver through bakewell to the hill up past winster I should be in with a bit of a chance on that... we'll see.

I'm checking my work rota tomorrow, if the weather and work are OK I'll be out again next sunday... dave's up for it too... we just met down the works (got rained on before getting to the plantation), he has just about regained the power of speech!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on March 09, 2008, 07:10:18 pm
Scroll down a bit to read about Germans with weight obsessions. Nutters.....

(http://idata.over-blog.com/0/02/72/10/lew/3195g.jpg)

A bike that weighs 3195g. Madness.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 09, 2008, 07:45:44 pm
Indeed, a fine ride in lovely weather. Followed by a long lunch in Thyme Cafe and a suitably restful afternoon.

The frightening thing is that I would have to round again to duplicate the Fred Whitton! Hmmm.

I'm impressed that you boys went climbing.

Tim

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 10, 2008, 09:58:22 am
I've just put the route into my Anquet mapping software and it reckons 2192m of climbing.

Who knows which is right, but I do know that the 2.5km from Beauchief back up to my house felt like hard work.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on March 10, 2008, 01:05:08 pm
Cheers for the loan of the demo8 fatdoc.  Hope you don't mind but it was a bit heavy for pushing up all them steep hills so I drilled some holes in it to lighten it up a bit.  We had a great laugh at your expense whenever we thought how sore your arse would be getting on your road ride and I am totally knackered today from all the uphill wanking we did.  I even got to ride it downhill at the end of the day which was a novelty, for me and the bike allegedly.  FBSF will be cleaning and returning the beast so any crap on it is his fault.

Ta,

N

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 10, 2008, 07:34:17 pm
I've just put the route into my Anquet mapping software and it reckons 2192m of climbing.

Who knows which is right, but I do know that the 2.5km from Beauchief back up to my house felt like hard work.

Tim

dave says bikely gives it 2200m ascent and 110km. to do that twice in a day is just not worth comprehending, the whitton is the hardest in the UK I presume? makes my goals of the cheshire cat and the legbreaker look purile in comparision.

it was good fun to do an easy circuit at the works after... no pressure, just fun. (it was a truly easy circuit i have to say, and i didnt do it all)

although i've yet to fully stretch - mainly cos i know what my quads will say to me - i'm not that sore.. but god, i'm tired, wierd.. mentally really tired!

i'm using the weather excuse for a couple of days, done 4 days climbing and 3 big rides in 8 days... i need some R&R, i'll sort out my weekend in the next few days and let you guys know if i'm out... have to say i doubt we'll get weather like that again  for a while  :'(

Norton, I hear you shat yourself at wharners  ;)..... once the cat is out of the way (30th March) I'll show you that fatboyslimfast's crashes were nought mate  :lol: watch me!! Tim has vaguely muttered getting his Bullitt out there at some point too... lets all get some bikes with springs attached into the air a bit!! Seriously, the cons in wharners sounded shite.. it's much more fun in the dry... less scetchy and more controllable. Ignore Bubba, he's insane. I tend to keep to the jumpspot, fast track [upper] and the nemba - which is far far easier in the dry. diamondback once you know the lines is a very very good track - looks really easy on the push up, but there are some choice lines there - strangely committing!

we should get a UKB day there, for all... fbsf,  bubs and i know the place very well... time for some payback for all the roadie help i've got off here... more of you boulderers should try freeriding... similar mindset needed... loads of mindgames... ace fun!

Gonna be a good summer.

Shit, almost forgot... must get some climbing in too.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 10, 2008, 08:12:55 pm
I'm not around next week end - Sky Master duty at the NEC for me, but I might take the bike for an early morning spin west midlands style if the weather picks up. Otherwise it'll be a couple of weeks until I get to do the sunday thing again - I could do with a couple of nice long rides like yesterdays before the Cheshire Cat I think, but fitting things in is tricky at the moment. Don't feel stiff today, and even my dodgy knee isn't feeling too trashed, so all good. Just need a few more miles in the legs before the Cat - 160 kms is a long way (especially with Mow Cop's 25% gradient coming after 120 kms)! Glad to hear we took your virginity, Fatdoc (although you were pretty easy, you slut!)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 10, 2008, 08:30:33 pm


we should get a UKB day there, for all... fbsf,  bubs and i know the place very well... time for some payback for all the roadie help i've got off here... more of you boulderers should try freeriding... similar mindset needed... loads of mindgames... ace fun!



my big bike is in storage... :-(

would a whyte 46 be out of its depth there? 

(would i be out of my depth more like...)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 10, 2008, 09:18:24 pm
Just makes you realise how fit those pro-riders are, they do 200KM+ day after day. Nutters.
Found out that categorisation of climbs was in the past done using a Citreon 2CV. If it got up in 4th gear = 4th Cat, 1st gear = 1st cat. Car could get up, no categorisation.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 11, 2008, 12:34:12 pm


we should get a UKB day there, for all... fbsf,  bubs and i know the place very well... time for some payback for all the roadie help i've got off here... more of you boulderers should try freeriding... similar mindset needed... loads of mindgames... ace fun!



my big bike is in storage... :-(

would a whyte 46 be out of its depth there? 

(would i be out of my depth more like...)

no, not if you can get the seat all the way down.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 11, 2008, 12:35:39 pm
Just makes you realise how fit those pro-riders are, they do 200KM+ day after day. Nutters.
Found out that categorisation of climbs was in the past done using a Citreon 2CV. If it got up in 4th gear = 4th Cat, 1st gear = 1st cat. Car could get up, no categorisation.

god! that's awesome
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 11, 2008, 01:15:09 pm
just look at this,

truly a technological evolution

http://www.pacecycles.com/product.asp?catID=1&subcat=504

where SXs and yetis were too heavy to climb anything of any technicality at all..... this changes it. I'm stunned... unfortunately they:

1. cost a bomb

2. have  a test bike in the bespoke shop in Hope.

damn...

I've seen the weather forecast for the next 5 days, it's wank... where's that turbo trainer gone?

Otherwise I feel some sheltered XC / FR coming on - might have a play with my light wheelset on SX and see if I can actually climb on it... a lottery win will otherwise  be needed for a CR506 and a EXC150A fork after the sportive season is sorted out...


sound like wharners is a bit stetchy at the mo - suppose the jump spot / top of fasttrack is an option...

IMO that pace is an astounding machine. DT swiss now doing the suspension, so pace get to do what they do best - make frames.


anyone want a shagged VT1 frame going for a song??

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 11, 2008, 06:32:08 pm
i quite fancy the new(er) whyte carbon thing. that's about 24lb with 5" front and back...

i need to stop buying bikes though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 11, 2008, 06:56:30 pm
I'd just like to take the opportunity to thank Grom and Brian for sorting out my profile on UKB whilst I was out this afternoon. I never worked out how to get an avatar, but now it appears I have one, along with a rather revealing signature. Nice one fellas - I quite like it, although the red eye visible through the mouth hole of the gimp mask is a bit spooky.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 12, 2008, 12:10:12 pm
not to be missed this one

http://www.gravity-slaves.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5342.msg37234#new

manc vs sheff teams, with looong hills to descend, would suit XC, FR and DH (perhaps a bit heavy), so ALL welcome.

Get in.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on March 12, 2008, 01:14:27 pm
not to be missed this one

http://www.gravity-slaves.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5342.msg37234#new

manc vs sheff teams, with looong hills to descend, would suit XC, FR and DH (perhaps a bit heavy), so ALL welcome.

Get in.




PeaksAlanche sounds great, if deadly.

Will talk to the boys tonight and see if they are entering.  If they are and the weather's crap on Saturday I shall see you there for at least the second run. 

DH bike would suit Pindale, FR for Stanage + Hurst Clough which is definately not a road after this winter - it has a huge runnel all the way down making bermed corners!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 12, 2008, 06:05:07 pm
Rode a cervelo R3 SL today - cousin stupidly rich. Holy shit felt like I had some major talent injection. Oh and do I want one - shame it £2400 just for the frame. How much do you think I can sell my son for?

http://www.cervelo.com/bikes.aspx?bike=R3SL2008 (http://www.cervelo.com/bikes.aspx?bike=R3SL2008)



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 12, 2008, 06:11:26 pm
Apparently this weeks cycling weekly has an article on hill training - maybe useful to those of us who seem to spend too much time going up hill.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 13, 2008, 12:15:00 pm
Racing DH on open bridleways on a Saturday in the Peak seems like a really bad idea to me. Why not go up to Wharncliffe and do it?

Anyway, anyone up for a ride this weekend. Sunday looks like the better day at the moment. I was thinking of this ride  http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Holme-Moss (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Holme-Moss). Hope that the link works. I made a few cock ups using Bikely, but it'll give you an idea of the route.

Roughly 120km/3000m I think (elevation profile on Bikely only half works). Should be into the wind on the way out and with it on the way back. Could be cafe stops involved....

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 13, 2008, 01:12:29 pm
i think venue choice is the reason i'm comfortable with this, the causeway, dirtlow rake and pindale are far more liklely to be traveled by MXers than walkers in any great numbers (enjoying the peace and quiet of the countryside). they are also very wide with a very long line of  sight. obviously if it's busy then we'll moderate what we do.

i will be a most fun time i'm sure. Probably wont really matter what bike you ride either, certainly a full DH rig would be too cumbersome unless ridden really well.... so basically i'm comfortable with it all, though i'll believe it hppens when if actually does... bit of chaos no doubt will plague the logistics i'm sure.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 13, 2008, 07:51:34 pm
Doc, does that mean that you up for a bit of roading this weekend or not? Saturday looks like the better day at the moment. Saturday afternoon by preference for me. Sunday looks shit but I'll ride then too if its reasonable.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 14, 2008, 10:17:54 am
only time i got is sunday morning for roading.

need to find out what the rest of my household is up to before i confirm..


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 16, 2008, 07:07:09 am
Don't you just love fog. What a horrid weekend for roadie activities.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 16, 2008, 10:11:55 am
You are not wrong. I forced my self out over Holme Moss in the fog, rain and wind.

117km, 2500m and well over 5 hours in the saddle. And a puncture after a 100km to add insult to injury. I felt pretty beaten up by the time we got home. 

Short ride today - if it dries up!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 16, 2008, 07:18:52 pm
You are not wrong. I forced my self out over Holme Moss in the fog, rain and wind.

117km, 2500m and well over 5 hours in the saddle. And a puncture after a 100km to add insult to injury. I felt pretty beaten up by the time we got home. 

Short ride today - if it dries up!

that's truly suffering to a degree most can only dream of. The visability driving was soo poor I thought it was too dangerous to roadie on saturday, so I went flogging myself down rocky trails in  the peak instead

I'm nursing a bruised knee, a scabby finger and have yet to contemplate cleaning my bike from the mtb of saturday... rather fun.

BTW

have you seen one of these?

www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/rc405-free-floater-07-19908

Shame the local mtb shop that is akin to the bespoke roadie place in Sheff isnt a dealer, nor has one for demo

www.18bikes.co.uk/content/custom_build_bike.php

damn, where did all my salary go?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 16, 2008, 09:35:04 pm
Got to agree fatdoc I thought it was too dangerous on a bike yesterday. Went running instead. Drove out to Hathersage to see a mate and could barely see where I was going so I didn't dare get on a bike. Tir you are either brave or stupid.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 18, 2008, 02:28:40 pm
two things:
1) if any of you, like me are interested in the culture of the bike messenger and fixed wheel city riding below is a pic of the new bike that i have built over the last few months. i started it as a project as a way to teach myself how to build and maintain bikes to a better degree. i love the film MASHsf and was inspired to build a "fixie" for myself. the frame is a terry dolan track frame, the wheels turn around suzu hubs, most other parts have been begged from others. (every part that i bought i tried to buy from a japanese brand - the pedals are MKS etc...). i have certainly learned alot, there is nothing quite like cutting through the steerer tube with a hack saw etc... it is an odd sensation hot having the luxury of freewheeling!

(http://velospace.org/files/bike1_32.jpg)


2) over the easter weekend i am going to be about in the peak (stopping at mum and dads in tideswell) and am looking to go out riding on the road bike, if you are keen to meet up at a location (like the calver crossroads) then drop me a PM on here and we can sort it out - im sure that most people on here will kick my skinny ass (or should i say legs??). team kuota kharma ride about the peak?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 18, 2008, 03:31:13 pm
Nice bike chappers - I like. I would love a fixed / single-speed but living in Sheffield makes bikes with one gear a touch impractical.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on March 18, 2008, 03:38:58 pm
One thing i've never understood about a fixie is how the hell can you corner at any significant angle of lean without bashing a pedal down?

Although I like the purity of them, are they really much good as a day to day bike in a hilly city?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 18, 2008, 03:49:27 pm
Never ridden a fixed, but they ride them on velodromes - which have bends so can't be to much of a problem.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 18, 2008, 04:04:43 pm
One thing i've never understood about a fixie is how the hell can you corner at any significant angle of lean without bashing a pedal down?

Although I like the purity of them, are they really much good as a day to day bike in a hilly city?

they have high BBs than a typical road bike, and you might also run slightly shorter cranks.

i too am wanting to build a fixie. i think i'm going to go for a bob jackson, though those dolan frames are nice as well...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on March 18, 2008, 04:39:09 pm
i hope you put a pair of plugs in the bar ends
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 18, 2008, 10:13:01 pm
i hope you put a pair of plugs in the bar ends
plugs wont fit in because i cut the bars down...any suggestions? corks?  :shrug: (ideally i would like some of those car wrecker spikes that stick out...).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on March 19, 2008, 07:14:53 am
these expand (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5300003134&N=Xlite%20Disco%20BB%20Bar%20End%20Plugs)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on March 19, 2008, 07:31:26 am
Pair of Shimano 105 5600 wheels in James for £115. Were £175. Worth getting? Or should one hold out for the Mavic Open Pro rims with 105 hubs at £120 as seen on ebay? I intend to shoe them with Continental Gatorskins.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 19, 2008, 08:16:52 am
buy fulcrums.

i'll be in the lakes at the weekend chappers, some other time perhaps

Title: Full Sus advice
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on March 19, 2008, 11:02:43 am
Thinking about getting a full sus, but on a tight-ish budget...

can only really afford this...
http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/id32657.html
but put off slightly by the mech disc brakes, and the cheap rear shock (£££ to upgrade)

Also looking at this...
http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b7s1p164
Which I 'may' be able to afford, but its only in 18", and I really need the 19" frame

But really want this...
http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b7s1p553
But not sure if I can stretch to this!?

...and anyway if I'm stretching to this, why not go for this...
http://www.leisurewheels.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b3s1p3531

Any advice on full sus/alternatives/justification on stretching to the 3rd option!

 :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 19, 2008, 11:35:13 am
Got to agree fatdoc I thought it was too dangerous on a bike yesterday. Went running instead. Drove out to Hathersage to see a mate and could barely see where I was going so I didn't dare get on a bike. Tir you are either brave or stupid.

Definitely not brave, just very scared of The Fred Whitton! To be fair the fog was worst in Hathersage and Sheffield. Strines, Holmfirth and Glossop were fairly clear. It was actually bone dry round Glossop.




2) over the easter weekend i am going to be about in the peak (stopping at mum and dads in tideswell) and am looking to go out riding on the road bike, if you are keen to meet up at a location (like the calver crossroads) then drop me a PM on here and we can sort it out - im sure that most people on here will kick my skinny ass (or should i say legs??). team kuota kharma ride about the peak?


I'll be around on Friday and Saturday, hopefully get out on the bike and I'm happy to meet up. 20mph winds and snow may cause me to stay in bed though. Let me know if you fancy it.

Tim
Title: Re: Full Sus advice
Post by: fatdoc on March 19, 2008, 12:06:26 pm
Thinking about getting a full sus, but on a tight-ish budget...

can only really afford this...
http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/id32657.html
but put off slightly by the mech disc brakes, and the cheap rear shock (£££ to upgrade)

Also looking at this...
http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b7s1p164
Which I 'may' be able to afford, but its only in 18", and I really need the 19" frame

But really want this...


http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b7s1p553
But not sure if I can stretch to this!?

...and anyway if I'm stretching to this, why not go for this...
http://www.leisurewheels.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b3s1p3531

Any advice on full sus/alternatives/justification on stretching to the 3rd option!

 :-\

I'm a BIG BIG fan of FSR suspension (horst link patent owned by spesh)... it works, it does not need chain tension to stop bob, it is not reliant on shock technology to stop wallow, it is "flat" - so it works the same whatever part of the travel you're in, it is reliable, there is NO i.e... NO brake jack (unique), not loss of feel in the lowest gears (a la VVP linkages).

unless you are much of a mtb geeks as me (that'll be FBSF, Bubba, Norton, Dolly and a few others) I've just realised you will understand near fuck all of that...

new plan ; demo an fsr... that spesh XC one will be fine for everything you'll be be doing for years...


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on March 19, 2008, 01:07:49 pm
Thinking about getting a full sus, but on a tight-ish budget...

can only really afford this...
http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/id32657.html
but put off slightly by the mech disc brakes, and the cheap rear shock (£££ to upgrade)

Also looking at this...
http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b7s1p164
Which I 'may' be able to afford, but its only in 18", and I really need the 19" frame

But really want this...
http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b7s1p553
But not sure if I can stretch to this!?

...and anyway if I'm stretching to this, why not go for this...
http://www.leisurewheels.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b3s1p3531

Any advice on full sus/alternatives/justification on stretching to the 3rd option!

 :-\

imho:

Kona's are a bit on the heavy side generally speaking but offer good spec for the price these days due to their older designs.

Don't go near mechanical disc brakes, pay the extra for hydraulics.  Mech's have crap power, are a bugger to set up and generally are single piston only so go through pads like crazy.  Having said that Hayes hydraulics are the second lowest of the low in the hydraulics league table.

As Fatdoc says FSR suspension definately works well although I wouldn't have spouted about it quite so much since I ride a single pivot.

None of the forks on any of these are that good.  Do you need a full suss or do you just prefer the idea over a hardtail and how much mtb'ing have you done?

For £900, after you've got 10% off list price which you will, and to be brutaly honest I would go and buy one of these http://www.marin.co.uk/2008/bikedetail.php?ModNo=3873 . Way better fork, better but still Hayes brakes, great fun to ride and probably lighter than all the full sussers you listed.

pm me for more if you want.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on March 19, 2008, 01:52:08 pm
Hmm, thanks guys, all good info but making it harder to choose not easier!

Currently got a 2001 Cindercone hardtail which is great, however I would like disc brakes and it's not economical to replace wheels/hubs/brakes on an old bike, also thought it would be nice to get full sus as I've never owned one. On one hand my priorities (time and money) have changed some what since Mini-Obi is on the scene, but on the other hand I tend to look after my bikes/keep them for a while (2 konas since 1991!) so get good value from them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 19, 2008, 01:56:06 pm
use credit to increase your budget if you're after a full susser... £1500 would be bout right.  :devangel:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on March 19, 2008, 02:31:37 pm
 :agree: with FD, £1500 min for a full suss to buy a Spec FSR Stumpjumper - awesome value.

£700 buys a 'proper' hardtail.

 :devangel:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on March 19, 2008, 02:33:36 pm
Does your Cindercone even have bosses for disc brakes?  :oops:  If not then add new frame and forks to your upgrade list at which point ..... £700/900 h/t  :devangel: £1500 full suss
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 19, 2008, 02:46:04 pm
Or go second hand and get a £1500 bike for hardtail money. FSR 120 here for £775.

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/read.php?f=5&i=638300&t=638300&PHPSESSID=3d7260620ad3a639dcf3d0ed6bfe193e (http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/read.php?f=5&i=638300&t=638300&PHPSESSID=3d7260620ad3a639dcf3d0ed6bfe193e)

a couple of days on singletrackworld and bike radar etc and something is bound to come up.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on March 19, 2008, 02:49:13 pm
 :great: top idea.  But be careful buying 2nd hand bikes.  A mate bought some Fox36's for a song off ebay, got them and found a hairline crack in the crown.  Did a bit of research then found the previous 'careful' owner raced xc!  I assume the 36's didn't come off his race bike mind.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on March 19, 2008, 02:50:00 pm
Any advice on full sus/alternatives/justification on stretching to the 3rd option!

buy 2nd hand?

as you know, cyclists are some of the worst gear freaks (especially Fatdoc) meaning the 2nd hard market is always saturated with bargains
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 20, 2008, 09:26:58 am
Any advice on full sus/alternatives/justification on stretching to the 3rd option!

buy 2nd hand?

as you know, cyclists are some of the worst gear freaks (especially Fatdoc) meaning the 2nd hard market is always saturated with bargains

 :guilty:

though I'm not alone....

i agree on the 2nd hand thing, my DH bike is 2nd hand, saved over a grand off the list for a 1 year old bike..

bikemagic.com, SDH.com, bikeradar.com and surprisingly MBUK sales board are all worth keeping an eye on.. singletrackworld is good, but can be dear.. quality of bike is very good though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on March 20, 2008, 09:29:33 am

I got my FR bike from ebay and it was a total bargain. I would only go for ones that allow you to inspect and pickup though, don't get it posted.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 20, 2008, 09:41:16 am

I got my FR bike from ebay and it was a total bargain. I would only go for ones that allow you to inspect and pickup though, don't get it posted.

I'd avoid ebay, there again I've never really got on with it. the 2nd hand forums are just as good a deal IMO look around and then get some opinions off here if i was you, start after the bank holiday when we'll all be back at work.. it will lighten up the day when we are all feeling depressed after having spent the bank holiday watching the sleet lash down...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on March 20, 2008, 10:45:59 am

I got my FR bike from ebay and it was a total bargain. I would only go for ones that allow you to inspect and pickup though, don't get it posted.

he's right you know
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 20, 2008, 10:46:09 am
can we please stop talking about bloody mountain bikes  :please:   ;D

bubba, to answer your question: it is not practical to ride fixed about a city that is hilly day to day. i rode to work on it the other day - mission, not to be done again! i ride a ribble winter trainer as a commute with 20 gears on the bad boy!

may also be less keen to ride if this weather forecast is correct...ill PM ya if im going out.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 20, 2008, 11:16:16 am
can we please stop talking about bloody mountain bikes  :please:    ;D

bubba, to answer your question: it is not practical to ride fixed about a city that is hilly day to day. i rode to work on it the other day - mission, not to be done again! i ride a ribble winter trainer as a commute with 20 gears on the bad boy!

may also be less keen to ride if this weather forecast is correct...ill PM ya if im going out.

nah, i like them too much!

seriously, this thread is one of the best on the web for noob roadie advice, we should return the favour to noob MTBers as well.

besides, getting both wheels off the ground is just as satisfying as your 1st 100km / work commute as a PB etc.. etc..

the diversity of bicycles is a wonderful thing.


good way to make your disposable income vapourise as well  :oops:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on March 20, 2008, 11:27:38 am

I think a seperate topic for mtb is a good idea - i'm trying to dig an old one out to post an outrageous photo....give me a minute...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 20, 2008, 12:52:43 pm
oh shit...

it's either me bleeding to death or bubba in a lyrca bib

either way NSFW
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on March 20, 2008, 05:14:44 pm
Chappers, this is mine:
(http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2007/july/2/DumaBrickhill-2.jpg)
(http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2007/july/2/DumaBrickhill-1.jpg)

Not too bad around Bristol, which ain't flat.
Second shot shows the higher BB that Yoss mentioned. 167.5mm cranks help too. never experienced pedal strike, but I live in fear.
I've got another (On One Il Pompino) w/brakes that I used to commute on. Uphill isn't really an issue, downhill is...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 20, 2008, 05:39:34 pm
Nice bike
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 21, 2008, 12:29:20 pm
Obi Wan

You really ought to have a look at this....http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/read.php?f=5&i=639414&t=639414 (http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/read.php?f=5&i=639414&t=639414)

Sounds ideal.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 21, 2008, 12:32:10 pm
or this http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/read.php?f=5&i=639406&t=639406 (http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/read.php?f=5&i=639406&t=639406)

I've no connection to these people by the way, just always looking round for new stuff for myself.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 24, 2008, 04:29:07 pm
Well todays training ride - was a case of ice-cream head in the snow
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on March 24, 2008, 07:05:19 pm
i tried to start a mtb thread called riders wives, but no one took any notice  :yawn:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on March 24, 2008, 07:06:16 pm
or this http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/read.php?f=5&i=639406&t=639406 (http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/read.php?f=5&i=639406&t=639406)

I've no connection to these people by the way, just always looking round for new stuff for myself.

Tim

bargain!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 24, 2008, 07:22:10 pm
Aye - cold wind on teeth today gave me an awesome ice-cream headache. Most unpleasant.

I'm now back on the program after a fortnight off - just what I need before the Cheshire Cat next sunday.......! I felt OK today but like I defo hadn't got enough miles under my wheels prior to the 100 mile beasting that will ensue next w/end. Short 40km diversions on the way to work now and again just don't cut it when it comes to long-range stamina. Operation 'wing-it' is now in full effect. If anybody is up for a jaunt on Weds let me know. Work in Stockport the rest of the week has scuppered any thought of last minute training (not that it will help much now...)

As for the riders wives thread, you boys need to get with the program. Mtb is so last year - carbon road bikes and gay lycra is in this season. You downhill boys don't even shave your legs, you've all got fat tyres, and you don't even have to rub camphor-based grease into the inside of your cycling shorts to lube you up before a ride.... how gay? :-\  :-[
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 25, 2008, 10:00:41 am
this weekends three day training didnt quite go to plan.
saturday: tideswell - eyam - calver - baslow - gt longstone - monsal head - cragx - litton - tideswell (in pretty much a blizzard cold everything, ice cream head ache etc...)

sunday: too much snow so forced to paint the hallway in the house  :thumbsdown:

yesterday: 40 miles out of sheffield as divised by dave, north of the city (no fucking clue where we went - i dont think dave did either...), really lumpy, then over strines, back up the 57, onto the ridge road, down into the valley back on the 57 up to crosspool and home. again, cold, snow etc...nice.

DUMA: love the bike, im changing the bars on mine for some drops tonight, and im going to man up and put the toe clips on that i bought, gulp.

getting new tyres - michelin pro race 2 - anybody with any thoughts?

anybody going to the velodrome this week? im thinking about going down on thursday...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 25, 2008, 01:14:05 pm
Michelin Pro race 2's are great - got some on my bike at the moment, no problems and a nice light tyre to boot. Buy'em! Anybody thinking of going to the velodrome this week is wasting their time - track world championships are on all week so Manchester is closed to punters until the end of the month. Am always keen to head over when it re-opens though. Mind you, if you ain't seen a big track race meet before there's still tickets avaliable for Thursday, and it is a truely inspiring thing to watch. The last Revolution meeting was an cracking bash - even 'she-who-must-be-obeyed' enjoyed it, although she rarely admits this in public...!

I'm out tomorrow morning if anybody is keen...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 25, 2008, 01:35:15 pm
aye, i know the champs are on and am going to go watch...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on March 25, 2008, 06:38:20 pm
those are pro race 2 on the Koga - I'm no expert, but they're certainly a step up from the kenda kontenders (sp?) on the on-one. the clips are off now, replaced by some lovely stainless from crank bros, world of difference.
Track worlds: Ms Pendleton. mmmmmmmm
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00185/Pen10_185765a.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 25, 2008, 08:55:46 pm
ha ha, my clips are on. i love it! been out skidding like a kid, going to ride with the brake for a while longer yet though....

going to get those pro race 2's for my kuota and build up a stock pile of tyres for my back wheel! going to get some velocity deep v rims for it soon, and a nice set of nitto bars.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 28, 2008, 06:59:36 am
Did you go to the velodrome last night, chappers? You were a lucky fella if you did - saw the action on telly - 3 more gold medals for the Brits making a tally of 4 golds so far in the first 2 days of the World Championships competition! There's not many (if any) sports that GB are as good at at the moment. If anybody is interested the BBC have an hour of live action on BBC2 every night at 7pm. On a slightly different note, the weather forecast for the weekend looks particularly shite, for all the other folks who read this who are doing the Cheshire Cat on Sunday. I'm taking my armbands....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on March 28, 2008, 10:33:23 am
agreed mister b, the tcwc are tres exciting


when wiggins et al were on the podium i forgot myself so far as to stir my cuppa an extra quarter revolution, in the anti-clockwise direction..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 28, 2008, 10:42:35 am
Did you go to the velodrome last night, chappers? You were a lucky fella if you did

aye, great night, it was my first experience of track cycling, im going to go again soon - sold out for the rest of the week. as you said before percy the lady liked it even though she doesnt ride.
wiggins and the boys were amazing. cant wait for the madison.
i want to go on a night riding at the velodrome to get a feel of what it is like.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 28, 2008, 08:51:44 pm
Do a taster session, Chappers, but get a few cyclist mates to go with you so you have like-minded souls to ride with. Its a pretty terifying experience the first time you ride in a big group on a bike that has no brakes and that you can't stop pedalling, but totally addictive. I'm well psyched for it and go to the SQT sessions whenever I can - a major beasting is normally administered in these sessions! Its very, very good training for riding on the road. Makes your pedaling a load smoother, and is a good way of increasing your leg speed.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 29, 2008, 09:01:23 am
if you cant stop pedalling... how do you stop???


we all ready for the cat chaps?

I'm getting up at 4,  :'(

dont forget the clocks go foreward!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: BVT on March 29, 2008, 09:35:20 am
Do a taster session, Chappers, but get a few cyclist mates to go with you so you have like-minded souls to ride with. Its a pretty terifying experience the first time you ride in a big group on a bike that has no brakes and that you can't stop pedalling, but totally addictive. I'm well psyched for it and go to the SQT sessions whenever I can - a major beasting is normally administered in these sessions! Its very, very good training for riding on the road. Makes your pedaling a load smoother, and is a good way of increasing your leg speed.

Agree with all of this - taster's are a great way to have a go, and they limit the numbers doing it so you don't have to ride round in a group until you feel more confident.  You soon get used to riding fixed, and yes, it's very addicitive.  If you get the bug, the SQT's are the next step (called Drop In sessions back when I used to go), and you might even find yourself riding fixed on the road (normally winter training or time trials).  Nothing beats riding a TT on fixed when you're really pinging.

There's some interesting stuff on here http://www.fixedwheel.co.uk/ (http://www.fixedwheel.co.uk/) including the bizarre tale of Dave Fearon riding the Buxton Mountain TT on 72" fixed!

Fatdoc - you're obliged to fit a brake if you ride fixed on the road, and if you have to stop on the track you'll probably end up slamming into that baltic pine anyway!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 30, 2008, 02:56:51 pm
if you cant stop pedalling... how do you stop???


we all ready for the cat chaps?

I'm getting up at 4,  :'(

dont forget the clocks go foreward!!!

oh God...
 i hurt... semi sheered steerer ( no turning on downhills then    :o), mech pissing me off and a faaasst course... then a punture....   :'( more detailed reportage when i've had a beer, bath and some sleep!

still got in under 4hrs... would have been sooo easily under 3:30 thou....


i think perc just missed the 3 hr.... effort to the lad. my fast mate got lost, then lost his timer chip...     :oops:     still got it in 3!!! 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 31, 2008, 01:22:02 pm
Congratulations to those who completed the first Sportive of the season - how was Mow Cop?

I was skiing in Verbier, so had lots of steep hills of my own, all downhill though!

Anybody riding this weekend, or even after work this week?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on March 31, 2008, 04:03:39 pm
Check this out - bit pricey though.


http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/road/product/addict-ltd-08-30999 (http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/road/product/addict-ltd-08-30999)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 31, 2008, 04:20:25 pm
That Scott is nice, but I think this looks a bit classier.....http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/road/product/fascenario-07-08-24132 (http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/road/product/fascenario-07-08-24132)

I'm very tempted by a Cervelo R3 or a Storck C1.1 at the moment, but I really, really can't justify it....

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 31, 2008, 04:46:31 pm
Yes you can Tim, that cervelo looks awesome...

just think about the fred whitton, and the performance boost you'll get. I was in the lakes last week, drove a bit of the course. I can safely say its a mental undertaking.

Matters such as this are best summerised as "it's not what you need, but what you want"
 :devangel:


sorry mate, i expect to see you on your new steed in the next few weeks... you know you've mentally bought it already. 0% finance and a squint on opening the post is all it needs now.

As for riding, my bike is in the menders, again. The last bloke who tried to fit my headset fucked it up. a lot. spent all of the Cheshire Cat cursing his soul... you cant get it tight enough, so under high speed braking the bike is totally uncontrollable... i near died twice... one  a hairpin in the wet, another a car... I've spent all my goodwill points at stanley fearns - but i doubt I'll have the roadbike until next week. I'll be going out XC (or as I now believe it's called *all Mountain* MTBing sometime over the weekend... weather, climbing and family permitting.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on April 02, 2008, 01:52:55 pm
Cervelo R3 or R3SL ? Both look very nice, and would be great on the climbs round the peak etc.

As fatdoc mentioned you've already made the purchase in your head at least.
 
If you've got the cash  - you only live once.
Mind you the one thing that may stop me buying another machine this year is the new groupsets to come out in 2009.
The new Shimano Dura-ace with electronic option looks good, and I'm sure Campag will come up with something equally good. Plus by then SRAMs groupset will have probably been improved. Only you can decide.............
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 02, 2008, 03:11:15 pm
campag have an electronic set coming out as well...

I'll stick with my veloce for a good while longer... it's gonna cost a bloody fortune and I'd like to see if it's really worth it...

just got call from mechanic... weird issue with the fork brace.... ) 0.2mm of carbon shaved off (!) later and I'm back in business... well, once it's recabled. He said to have ridden it over 100km in that state was either a very determined effort, or sheer stupidity! Thing was you couldnt tell anything was wrong until you gave it some real hammer... by then I was 15 mile in, thought I'd persevere!

The Cat times are out.... me 3:52, Perc 3:30. That's the most costly puncture I've ever had  :'(

But my mate's in the dubious position of having been IN the lead..... by a good way... then gets lost  :o

He gets back on the course, then loses the timing chip off the bike!!! And STILL gets in at about 3 hr 5mins... he didnt get out of the big ring all the way round  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 02, 2008, 03:34:55 pm
The Cervelo R3 was a second hand frame and fork, for £1000, but I think that it is a bit big for me - I already get a stiff shoulder after a hour or so on my 56cm frame. Saving 400g would be nice though....

I'll keep looking for something tasty. I wouldn't have taken a new bike on the Whitton anyway.

Who was your fast friend Doc? Another anaesthetist? And I thought Percy was doing the long course - 3.30 for 160km is not bad going?

Under 4 hours for 100km is still very good going.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 02, 2008, 04:13:43 pm
Percy's knees have exploded, too much jumping off climbing walls whilst teaching route setting I believe. He did the short one, then drove to Brittany  ??? To work! He spent the night before in the van in Knutsford, coz he was working in Stockport the evening before the race!!!  :o

This season is easy for sportives for me, I ve nothing to loose. Next year will be  very different... The Cheshire Cat is near as flat... 3:30 for me next year or'll fucking hate myself forever...

The est time for the mini legbreaker  (only 76km) is 4.5 hrs.. now that's a real course... there is NO flat on it the whole way round!!! Better get on that froggatt / baslow hill training loop asap  :'(

My mate who has the legs is an anaesthetist forced out by the system into GP. He boulders a bit... his cousin went semi -pro I think. I've seen him the small ring only on the last hill home when we're out in the peak.... I told him he could win one of these things.... next time he might!!! Nice bloke as well, damn him! There are no other docs I know that could ever get near him round sheff, and yes I know the speeds of some of them...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on April 02, 2008, 11:02:17 pm
Technical question for leg shavers ? Wilkinson Sword or Gillette ?

Only kidding.
Do I need a specific campag chain tool to change the chain on my Campag equipped bike or can I use a normal one from park. My bike book claims you need to use a campag specific one (Zinn & the art of road bike maintenance) 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 03, 2008, 09:29:23 am
Dunno, but i'd like to know the answer!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 03, 2008, 11:30:24 am
I've used non campag tools to remove campag chains, but not to put them on. Cos I prefer wipperman chains.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on April 03, 2008, 01:31:04 pm
When I change the chain - do I need to change the sprockets as well?

Oh and a clothing question - I am having boil in the bag moments due to my winter tights being too hot. I still want to wear long legged bottoms but not fleecy thick ones. Any suggestions - I don't want to be messing about with leg warmers at the moment - too much messing for the commute to work.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 03, 2008, 01:47:04 pm
When I change the chain - do I need to change the sprockets as well?

Not necessarily, really depends how worn they are. If you change your chain fairly frequently then sprockets and chainset last years. The alternative approach is too leave it all on to wear together and change them all once every few years.

On my mountain bike I change the chain every 1000km or so, and got 4000km out of my rear cassette and middle chainring and jockey wheels. You should get way more out of a road bike.

I'd change the chain and if it jumps then change the rear cassette, no point otherwise.

I'd change the chain to a Sram Powerlink chain (or Wipperman) so you don't need a tool.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 03, 2008, 01:54:48 pm
that's impressive on the MTB.. i break things more than that...


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 03, 2008, 02:00:20 pm
I'm still on the original rear mech and shifters on the XC bike after 6000km!

I've only changed the disc pads on that bike about 4 times I think.

Not sure what that says about my riding?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 03, 2008, 02:40:05 pm
bloody hell!

to have actually pedalled that bike of yours 6000km is pretty good!! isnt it about 37lbs?


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 03, 2008, 02:45:48 pm
The Bullitt is 37lbs, and has done about 1000kms in my ownership, mainly lift assisted downhill in the Alps.

Its my Superlight that has been pedaled for 6000km, and that only weighs 26lbs.

The Bullitt is already on its second rear mech.

Are you up for 100km on Saturday? Or anybody else? Thinking of Sheffield, Bakewell, Ashbourne, Matlock, Sheffield.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 03, 2008, 02:50:12 pm
YES

gear freak of the day goes to ME. (re: the weight of the Bullitt, an 06 model I think - stretching it a bit there)

I'm going XC sunday, got committments saturday (climbing en famille) . TBH I've still got crepitus in my knees from sunday, so I'll have a few *long ride home* rides next week before going for it on the roadbike.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on April 04, 2008, 07:29:44 am
Well I've bought a new chain from Ribble cycles. They've got the SRAM powerlink for £25 or so. Its £40 with wiggle even as a platinum customer!.

Has anyone seen the price of the new assos bib-shorts - £169 on parker international!!! - No I;m not kidding. There are cheaper options in the assos range, but that makes rapha look cheap. I have been well impressed with specialised kit I've bought recently so was thinking of getting some of theirs instead. I really like exte-ondo as well but they only seem to be available in Spain.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 05, 2008, 06:09:30 pm
I'm back - anybody going out tomorrow morning? Not ridden since the Cat and my knees almost don't hurt again! Result. As for the timings for the Cheshire Cat - well, some serious discrepancy has occured somewhere (maybe going over the feedstation timing mat 3 times was a bad move?!?!). My Polar has me at 3hrs 10mins with an average speed of 31kmh, and I don't remember taking 20 minutes to eat the poxy square of flapjack outside the pub... the bastards have added another 20 minutes on to my time :'(

Mind you, I have yet to ride a sportive with timing chip results that have corresponded to the bike computer - even the timers for the British sportive were dodgy with some timing mats not being triggered by the chip and some of them working fine. Best sportive for timings were last seasons Ridgeway Rumble that was timed by humans with stopwatches, pens and notebooks! Bloomin' technology....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 05, 2008, 07:26:54 pm
Supposed to be -2 at 10 am tomorrow! Wrap up warm.

A mate is supposed to coming down to go climbing, but if he changes his mind then I'd be on for a ride. If he comes down then no doubt we'll end up at the Works!

Just got in from 85km, pretty breezy out there - it felt like pretty hard work I have to say, and the sleet hurt!

Good effort on the Cheshire Cat by the way.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 06, 2008, 01:38:13 pm
In the absence of an MTB thread I'd like to have whinge about MTB componentry... it's shite... either made out of cheese or no QC to speak of.

2 rides in and my new Pike air forks wont fully adjust out, obviously the *rack* they extend out on has partially misaligned... but I'm well pissed off... they're about £320 and should work for christ's sake  >:( I've not even abused them, standard XC duties only.. no steps / drops... just mushy snow and the odd rock!

so now, i miss a day's commute ride so I can go to work with the van, and then get the forks back to the shop... FFS  >:(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 06, 2008, 05:55:01 pm
Just the weather for MTB today - aspirations of going out on the road bike this morning evaporated quicker than the snow did. At least my bikes are still in one piece though - unlike seemingly every bicycle jon currently sits on! An expensive month for fatdoc! When's the legbreaker, by the way. Might be up for it if knees stay together and it falls in a ever decreasing number of gaps on the calendar....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 06, 2008, 08:08:23 pm
mid july i think...

www.legbreaker.co.uk if i remember correctly.. i'm only on the mini course... you'll see why when you see the profile
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on April 08, 2008, 03:38:08 pm
2 rides in and my new Pike air forks wont fully adjust out, obviously the *rack* they extend out on has partially misaligned...

haven't Pikes always been of dubious build quality, as in the quality of the put togetherness, not the final product which seem quite plush?

that on the Marin?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 08, 2008, 08:15:23 pm
i've had the coils for 3 years... real damn good..though heavy....

the airs came on the marin (not like other marins I swear... no *on the bike* XC wobbles.... it's a damn good bike on fast XC... i did 4ft drops on the demo to flat no worries)...

we'll see what comes of it... might be seals.... i'm very disappointed i have to say..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on April 09, 2008, 03:19:11 pm
Must be bike breaking season. I've trashed the front mech on my road bike. Think it may be the bike builders - they attached it using a shimano clamp to campag mech !!!!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 10, 2008, 08:00:49 pm
Must be bike breaking season. I've trashed the front mech on my road bike. Think it may be the bike builders - they attached it using a shimano clamp to campag mech !!!!




how did it get on the bike?????

I thought all campag was total non fit with all of the big S's gear...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fatleg on April 11, 2008, 11:10:12 am
Who's watching the 'hell of the north' on Sunday (Paris - Roubaix ). Its suppose to be raining - that'll be fun on the cobbles. Apparently its on eurosport.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 11, 2008, 11:22:56 am
i'm working.... would like to see that...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 14, 2008, 09:16:44 am
I've finally got round to using my account.
I'm the fatdoc's fast mate mentioned above. I'm not that quick - its just his new wheelset has not made him climb as fast as he wished!

Anybody get out at the weekend - I got tied up with family stuff, visitors etc etc
Is a 65th birthday - really important!! - My Dad was yesterday, and he wanted a real fuss made. Bearing in mind he retired at 60 and had a huge party then!!

Anyway back to important matters - Bikes.
Who's been out much - I've only done commutes which I extend on the way home, to a max of around 50Ks. Need to get the miles in, I'm in for the medium legbreaker (130Km) the long one is 160Km.
I'm also looking for a waterproof - one I can stick in a jersey pocket any suggestions??

Fatdoc - Are your bikes functioning again or are they all at Stan's getting rebuilt??



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 14, 2008, 09:52:44 am
I did the Lakeland Loop yesterday, a bit like a Fred Whitton Lite. 115km and some of the passes (including Hardknott and Wrynose). We were under 5 hours, which was a bit better than I expected, and I feel OK today. The thought of Hardknott after 160km of riding on The Whitton is now even more terrifying though. 12-27 cassette has been ordered already!

Waterproofs - Gorebike Countdown will fit in your pocket (mine was in my pocket all yesterday), but only just. For the summer you are probably better off with something like a Montane Velo jacket. Its windproof, showerproof and breathable and is the size of an apple when packed. It isn't a proper waterproof though.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 14, 2008, 11:01:14 am
Thats impressive. The Fred Whitton looks pretty tough by anyone's standard.

Waterproof wise - I want a stuffable fully waterproof jackey but I don't think it is made. Think I may need one of those clear race cape things that make you look like you are wearing one of those hair protectors that blue rinse granny's put their hair in.

I also need some wheels re-trued any suggestions of where to go in Sheffield - I'm allergic to James's - well my bikes are at least. Decathlon also sounds dodgy after they made fatdoc's wilier a death trap.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 14, 2008, 11:16:19 am
From what John has said it sounds like you wouldn't have much trouble with either event.

For a packable waterproof look at the Montane Featherlite H20 jacket. £60, 115g, packs to apple size and waterproof. Don't expect it to breath very much though.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on April 14, 2008, 01:31:57 pm
I also need some wheels re-trued any suggestions of where to go in Sheffield - I'm allergic to James's - well my bikes are at least. Decathlon also sounds dodgy after they made fatdoc's wilier a death trap.
Not been there yet but Big Phil says there's a new place in Hillsborough just near Butterworths that specialises in wheel building.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 14, 2008, 03:07:08 pm
Obi - do you know the name of said wheel place. I also may purchase a pair of new wheels for summer. Any suggestions - not carbons though!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 14, 2008, 04:48:53 pm
just phoned stans...

MTB bike still bust... forks not back yet.. if they are on fri I'll take the new toy out sunday


if still bust it's 100km in the peak.... wont confirm till friday...

either way it's early doors sunday for me...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 14, 2008, 05:27:52 pm
i just took delivery of some very fine rapha gear. the sportwool jersey, the gilet and the little peaked cap.

all very nice, if outrageously expensive.

it pissed it down while i was out on saturday, but i didn't get too cold and everything dried out quite fast.

i think i am going to invest in some assos shorts next. some nice black and white ones to continue the colour scheme...

i have been idling some time away today plotting a two week southern tour du france:

From Lyon, a couple of days riding to Villefranche-de-Rouergue, a rest day,  then back across east across to Millau, then across the Cevennes and the Gorge du Tarn to Ales, and then on to Carpentras, for another rest day. That's week one.

Then out of Carpentras and over Mont Ventoux. That'll be quite cheeky... Spend a night in Serres or somewhere near there. Then an easish day to Gap. Then another day to Briancon poss inc the Izoard. Another rest day. Then a day (or two, if staying at Valloire) to Grenoble, again, possibly via the Col du Galibier and the Col du Telegraph, or via Ale d'Huez. And another day back to Lyon. Week two.

I quite fancy a pair of Fulcrum Zeros. They do look very tasty...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 14, 2008, 05:36:49 pm
Wheel truing, or some new ones? La Bicicleta on Greystones road will sort you out. Saw a very nice HED Ardennes wheelset in there the other day (around the £450 mark) - nice and light, alloy rims, etc,etc. I have been warned off the new Mavic R-Sys wheels though. They had problems with the first batch and recalled them all. The mark II's look better, but I'd hang fire until they've been well tested. Bicicleta are specialist wheel builders, and have so many nice things to spend money - you have been warned.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 14, 2008, 05:44:00 pm
Wheel truing, or some new ones? La Bicicleta on Greystones road will sort you out. Saw a very nice HED Ardennes wheelset in there the other day (around the £450 mark) - nice and light, alloy rims, etc,etc. I have been warned off the new Mavic R-Sys wheels though. They had problems with the first batch and recalled them all. The mark II's look better, but I'd hang fire until they've been well tested. Bicicleta are specialist wheel builders, and have so many nice things to spend money - you have been warned.

 great place that, getting buzzed in is a bit full on... as the set of scales that they weigh your potential purchases on.... before bringing out a lighter more bling component that just happens to be 3 times more expensive...

if you want new wheels for the wilier dave they simply cannt be french - not on an italian bike... that's just wrong!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 14, 2008, 06:40:14 pm
La Bicicletta is awesome - I've banned myself until October - Wedding funding, the Mrs wants to stay in some ridiculously priced place in Amalfi for the honeymoon. May have to delay the purchase or hide them and bring them home when the lady is out doing her shopping. Maybe I'll justify it as it will improve my ability going up hill.

Rapha kit is cool if you can splash the cash. I like the look of their Sto-away jacket but £170 ouch!!!!!!

Assos's new top end short are around £150. Obviously not for Jon to buy - he'll rip them on their first outing.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 14, 2008, 06:43:44 pm
That's right, Jon. He'll want some crappy Italian shite that will be temperamental and go wrong all the time  ;)
Only kidding, although as you know, I have little love for campag - fuck style and flair....give me efficiency and practicality of Shimano every time. If it wasn't for the japanese we'd still have shifters on the down-tubes of our bikes!

Having alienated myself from everybody else who reads this thread now, anybody out at the end of this week? I'm keen if the weather is good to go for a nice long ride. sorry I dissed campag
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 14, 2008, 07:18:00 pm
I was considering spending the next couple of hours writing An Ode to Campagnolo....

Shimano make fishing reels.

Campag make a corkscrew.

Need I say more?

I should venture north to join in one of these Peak based rides, but driving 460 miles round trip to go for a spin is marginally irresponsible...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on April 14, 2008, 07:19:35 pm
Easy now!

Shimano make the finest most advanced fishing reels on Earth.  Shit hot big game kit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 14, 2008, 08:17:31 pm
There was an article on this on in Rouleur. I ride Campag ,without the 2 companies there would be no forward development - so we need the two to make groupsets better. Now SRAM are getting in the mix, next year will see electronic sets and FSA are suppose to be bring out a complete groupset. The only way to make something fatdoc proof would be to double its weight and re-enforce with large amounts titanium.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 14, 2008, 08:37:12 pm
Well, Mavic made that electric gear system a while back and it was rubbish...

I have been musing over the fact that the majority of developments in cycling technology over the past 20 years seem to have been based around empowering punters.  For example, being in the market for freewheels for my old Colnago I have discovered that people used to ride impressive 12-21 and 14-19 set-ups, with 52-42 up front. And I've been riding a titanium bike with 13-29 on the back. Pathetic...


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 15, 2008, 10:46:49 am
Compared to cyclists of old we are all weak. They road fixed over the Alps in the tour and had to swap the wheel round for the descent. The new electronic shimano set is suppose to be in use on the pro-tour.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 15, 2008, 12:02:33 pm
I'm gonna support some mates in the 10km in graves park sunday morning... so i'll be on my bike later on. have to say i'll be preferring MTB if the damn thing is working by then. I'll get a ly in for the first time in a few weeks as well!

BTW, got  a PB to work last week, 31:54. 10.1 miles... very happy.   ;D  Until i woke up the next day with a chest infection  :'(. I could go faster as I was 2 mins 30 up on the split - but only 90 secs faster overall. It's the traffic thats becoming the limiting factor now ::)

not been on the bike since... hopefully tomorrow

fatkid, have you got a mtb?? even with the wedding expenses £125 A month interest free credit will get you a £1500+ full suss XC machine that you can then beat me up the peak off road as well as on.. c'mon mate - you know you want it

 :devangel:


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 15, 2008, 12:32:10 pm
Nice one, Fatdoc. Sounds like you could easily be persuaded to do the Shefrec 10 mile time trial at the end of May. On the Hatfield Woodhouse course near Doncaster - very flat and very quick. No traffic to worry about, just head down and grind it out. I'm contemplating it - it would be nice see how close to the mythical 20 minute mark I can get (although that is currently the mythical 25 minute mark!) Time trialing is a dark art - I used to do it in my teens, but haven't had a go since then. It's pretty hard to know just how hard to push yourself - but good fun it that twisted sort of way. Anybody keen?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 15, 2008, 01:30:21 pm
Nice one, Fatdoc. Sounds like you could easily be persuaded to do the Shefrec 10 mile time trial at the end of May. On the Hatfield Woodhouse course near Doncaster - very flat and very quick. No traffic to worry about, just head down and grind it out. I'm contemplating it - it would be nice see how close to the mythical 20 minute mark I can get (although that is currently the mythical 25 minute mark!) Time trialing is a dark art - I used to do it in my teens, but haven't had a go since then. It's pretty hard to know just how hard to push yourself - but good fun it that twisted sort of way. Anybody keen?

I am... but wont i be the slowest man there??

Also, our babies are due about then??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 15, 2008, 02:40:17 pm
No, you defo won't be the slowest person there by a stretch. And yes, our babies are due around this time, but it'll only take 30 minutes max! Result!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: LucyB on April 15, 2008, 03:28:39 pm
And yes, our babies are due around this time, but it'll only take 30 minutes max! Result!

Popping a baby out in 30 minutes  :jaw: I'll see what I can do  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 15, 2008, 03:40:10 pm
 :lol:


very good!

er... oh... go on then!!

fatkid.... i presume you're in... as you'll be likely to win!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 15, 2008, 05:02:19 pm
I'll probably enter the time trial thing. Flat sounds good for a change. Maybe I can find a time-trial bike to go on.
MTB - got some well old GT thing- It creaks real bad - not fit for peaks. I'm tempted to get one - just to kick your arse fatdoc.

Rode up Hagg Lane (From Rivelin Valley to Crosspool) now thats a steep hill. I almost blew up at the top even on the compact.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 15, 2008, 05:06:14 pm
i'm spending your money now fatkid.... you'll get me on the hills - but never on the downs.


yes, that's a gauntlet.

good effort on hagg lane.... so your commute back fom the northern is actually a full on training ride... the secret to your climbing ability is now clear!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 15, 2008, 08:54:19 pm
The extensions out towards Stocksbridge and Bradfield also help with the hill climbing. Found some proper steep hills to climb,although my standard commute route uses only the big ring. I only have one speed on the bike - and thats flat out especially on the hills - so any ride is training.  Anyone up for Winnats soon. Next year I'm planning for L'etape or another Alpine sportive.

So Fatdoc which MTB do I need - Do I need Full Suspension - Doesn't that slow you down???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 15, 2008, 09:08:50 pm
Check this gezzer out. Hope for all of us

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/grandad-john-tackles-the-marmotte-15810 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/grandad-john-tackles-the-marmotte-15810)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 16, 2008, 08:38:27 am
Check this gezzer out. Hope for all of us

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/grandad-john-tackles-the-marmotte-15810 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/grandad-john-tackles-the-marmotte-15810)



that's bloody awesome!

If you continue to train this hard you'll be well fit to ride abroad next year mate!

For mtb you need a full suss - it's faster both up and down.....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChJjGho6KY4


you can get one of them, with a better (fox single crown) fork IMO for a measly £1500. interest free....

they have them in chesser james's. Actually I nearly bought one last month
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 16, 2008, 10:07:55 am
Having said that horst links and spesh full suss FSR is the nadgers I have to say these are rather good

www.marin.co.uk/2008/bikedetail2.php?ModNo=3835

of importance to you fatkid is they are for sale in Stans, and have a demo wolf ridge in your size just ready to go....

 :devangel:



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 16, 2008, 10:10:24 am
I'm gonna support some mates in the 10km in graves park sunday morning...

Look out for me and Kim then, we are doing Theos on Sunday.

I was hoping to get out for a long ride on Saturday but forecast is crap and I've got a cold at the moment too.

I'm now getting tempted by a Specialized S-Works Roubaix frame after seeing my mates in the Lakes, but getting a test ride to assess sizing could be tricky.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 16, 2008, 10:18:10 am
I'll be taking pics Tim, I'll look out for you.

Spesh Ruby???

Thought you'd be more bling than that mate  ;)


what about the cervelo ???

go on   :devangel:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 16, 2008, 11:22:05 am
Spesh Ruby???

Thought you'd be more bling than that mate  ;)


what about the cervelo ???

go on   :devangel:

Have to see how many WLI Kim does at Rotherham before thinking about the Cervelo....it would be very sweet though.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 16, 2008, 01:55:17 pm
Measly £1500 : Thats the cons in you talking fatdoc. Us trainees have more modest incomes plus I take a cut in August. Mind you role on the GP salary (oh did I mention no on-calls!!!) Just need to find a sideline for my sports medicine MSc that will bring in some extra cash.

Tim get the Cervelo - Awesome I rode one and they are sweet. Fast, light , comfortable. Come on you know you want to. Mind you the Spesh bike look good. The S-works Tarmac SL2 looks pretty cool and you can buy the frameset and build it. There are the new Spesh centres in Chester and Birmingham - they have the full range apparently.

Fatdoc aren't these more like downhill bikes rather than XC. I'm not one for hauling around extra weight etc!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 16, 2008, 03:05:23 pm
Are these any good fatdoc :      Quad XC 120 (mount vision)
                                           Whyte E120

Stans has them on their website. I'd rather buy there - better service etc and I'm sure I have an allergy to James's only good for inner-tube purchases and the odd bit of assos when the fetish takes control.

Anybody up for a ride Friday morning - working Friday night need an activity so I sleep during the afternoon.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 16, 2008, 04:40:38 pm
the mount vision is AWESOME in it's present guise.

give stans a ring, they'll sort you out  a demo bike for a couple of days (weekend after this i'm in scotland canyoning down the Tay  - stag do with a difference!, but i'd be happy to show you some routes round Hope etc... whenever)

i'm not as big a fan of the whyte -BB too high... but as you're so used to road bikes you might find it good.

Both have very good reviews indeed.

Personally i take the weight hit on the climbs to have 140 to 150mm travel for the downs, horses for courses - you'll get these sort of bikes up the hills... but it's an effort!

I'm working fri morning.... it's  faintly possible i'll b getting my MTB back from stans fri afters.... perc can often get a ride in before the Works opens.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 16, 2008, 08:08:19 pm
Stans have the Whyte E5 on sale in a large & medium - Is this any good??

I like the look of the Marin Mount Vision. Why are the Whyte's so much more - are the frames better or is it the bling factor on the kit??

Are you sure I need full susp - I do have an obsession at being able to go up hills fast. Saw a nice Tit hard-tail which looked pretty nice.

I'm busy the next 2 weekends - enjoy getting wet & cold. Cycling some giro climbs may be my Stag do: don't think many people will be wanting to come!!!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 16, 2008, 10:55:22 pm
Ask about... concensus is if it's a tech up hill a good full suss IS faster up.... look on bike magic.com. full suss is faster down unless you are way talented, or it's so smooth that you need not have bothered

whyte is no longer owned by Whyte, the new quads are now a 3rd gen on his design. it's a VPP in effect. they grip the ground on the ups, and dont jar you.... borrow mine if you dont believe me!!

whyte have always been dear. the whyte you're looking at... is it carbon swing arm??? if it is steer clear from that IMHO

BTW, i'm not inviting myself to the stag do... you and your ex pro cousin can suffer that one.... but if it's a weekend away in MTB in the lakes.... i have the info!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 17, 2008, 08:05:34 am
The Whyte is a full carbon frame - So I presume the swing arm is as well. Is carbon to weak for full on abuse??
Is Whyte now owned by ATB or Marin?

So basically you would rate the Mount Vision as a better bike. The quad XC 120 range are the same frame with varying specs on groupsets etc - which would you go for??

I'll go and have a look as Stan's next week or maybe the week after, I currently seem to live at the NGH - thinking of resigning but it may effect my increment etc so may have to endure it until August. Spechs seem to have nice bikes - but that means James's.

Isn't there some bling MTB shop in Edale - Worth looking - or too pricey like that nice shop on Greystones Road????
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 17, 2008, 08:09:11 am
Working this Friday - but I'm playing catch up at work at the moment so should be a bit more flexible next week if anybody's getting out. Sheffrec have a club run tues and thurs evenings so I might tag along on one of those next week and see what the sketch is for entries for the time trial.... They sound like a reasonable bunch of folks. Some of their riders actually do a turn on the front and chat to you when you're out on a ride! A turn up for the books if you've encountered the surly tossers who ride with the rutland.
There's a lot of MTB talk on here at the moment, so to even it up whats the deal? The rear of my PlanetX carbon wheels is making a weird squeeking noise - its not rubbing anywhere, but it sounds like its coming from the hub... Anybody got any bright ideas - i'm at a loss...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on April 17, 2008, 08:17:21 am
water in the bearings or bearings binding.is there any means to adjust them,with mavics even though they are sealed bearings you can adjust the tension.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on April 17, 2008, 09:18:49 am
weekend after this i'm in scotland canyoning down the Tay  - stag do with a difference

Sorry to wander off topic, but is this with Nae Limits? Mate is talking about doing it for a birthday weekend, be interested to hear what it's like.

As an aside, have found local bike shop will do demos, so hoping to get a Rocky Mountain of some sort off them, so at least I can have a decent go on a Full suss that is the right size for me. Local Alpine Bikes also has large Santa Cruz Heckler I can have a day on.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 17, 2008, 06:40:23 pm
Back to Road biking - Look at the shock on Boonen's face as Mark Cavendish sneaks past to win the Le Grand Prix de l'escaut.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/7351329.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/7351329.stm)

Or here when he's started to celebrate already

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/mark-cavendish-wins-second-scheldeprijs-vlaanderen-15841 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/mark-cavendish-wins-second-scheldeprijs-vlaanderen-15841)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 17, 2008, 07:59:19 pm
weekend after this i'm in scotland canyoning down the Tay  - stag do with a difference

Sorry to wander off topic, but is this with Nae Limits? Mate is talking about doing it for a birthday weekend, be interested to hear what it's like.

As an aside, have found local bike shop will do demos, so hoping to get a Rocky Mountain of some sort off them, so at least I can have a decent go on a Full suss that is the right size for me. Local Alpine Bikes also has large Santa Cruz Heckler I can have a day on.

dunno. but i'll find out.
The Whyte is a full carbon frame - So I presume the swing arm is as well. Is carbon to weak for full on abuse??
Is Whyte now owned by ATB or Marin?

So basically you would rate the Mount Vision as a better bike. The quad XC 120 range are the same frame with varying specs on groupsets etc - which would you go for??

I'll go and have a look as Stan's next week or maybe the week after, I currently seem to live at the NGH - thinking of resigning but it may effect my increment etc so may have to endure it until August. Spechs seem to have nice bikes - but that means James's.

Isn't there some bling MTB shop in Edale - Worth looking - or too pricey like that nice shop on Greystones Road????

well expensive - but awesome shop in Hope, 18bikes , i was looking at £3,200 for a pace full suss (very posh build though)... i bottled it

i need to examine the marin range more to give you my views... will do!


Also, how is it?? 5 days off... bit chesty... got better... fastest time last week to work..by a lot.. before got chesty that is

legs feel mullered today.. took me 4 mins more than usual to get home! spack foot real bad, tendon crepatus & knee total joint pain, calves in spasm ++, foot actually wobbles through the pedal stroke now.  :'(
also, back (and foot) Got bad after wave session at foundry... but how did I do every prob - bar 1 -on my board in 90 mins y'day???

 weird or what...


BTW, i reckon the mats at the foundry are too stiff... I'm thinking of bringing my pad with me next time i go!!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 17, 2008, 08:35:35 pm
If you will go to the Foundry, fatdoc.... ;) I have heard that the mats there are a little firm - maybe too firm for the infirm?!?! My knee is still buggered - damaged cartilidge (sp?) according to my physio dude. Not bad bad, but painful and a bit swollen.... A little rest is called for I think (anybody out at the w/end? :devangel:)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 17, 2008, 08:39:20 pm

whyte is no longer owned by Whyte, the new quads are now a 3rd gen on his design. it's a VPP in effect. they grip the ground on the ups, and dont jar you.... borrow mine if you dont believe me!!

whyte have always been dear. the whyte you're looking at... is it carbon swing arm??? if it is steer clear from that IMHO


i know the guys at atbsales / whyte, cos they're just up the road and sold me my 46 a while back.

whyte has always been owned by atb sales. mr whyte was brought in as a designer at marin, and then atb sales set him up as head designer at his eponymously named outfit. he's since parted company, and the e120 is the first post-mr whyte design.

i find the BB height on my 46 is a bit high, but i think this has been addressed on the e120.

i love the whyte 19.

they also are the wilier importers, and as soon as my bank balance improves i intend to splash out on a cento record...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 17, 2008, 09:31:13 pm
I also like the whyte 19 but the doc seems to be saying I need a full susser. The swing arms on the whyte is carbon (looked on their site), apparently its made of 157 pieces or something!

That place at Hope looks good as well, maybe this MTB thing is going to be expensive.

The Cento looks a nice bike, one of many I would like to add to my collection. Tempted more by a cervelo or the SL2.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 17, 2008, 10:04:31 pm
Percy

I could be tempted by a gentle ride on Saturday - had a cold all week and forecast is shite but I ought to get out for a couple of hours. I'm doing the Graves Park run on Sunday so can't ride then.

Just ordered myself some Tune wheels, so the Cervelo might have to wait a bit. Better to save 300g off the wheels than the frame I reckon.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 18, 2008, 09:57:35 am
Tim I asked about waterproofs - after looking through the suggestions I have found the gore oxygen. Have a look at the link - does it pack smaller than your countdown. Also like the look of the zenon - but thats just a softshell. Think I need to spend abit of cash to get something breathable as I seem to generate a tonne of heat.

http://www.gorebikewear.com/1164920285784.html (http://www.gorebikewear.com/1164920285784.html)

If you go through the menus there are pics of the stuff-sac thing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 18, 2008, 12:13:36 pm
The Oxygen probably packs a little bit smaller than the Countdown as its a slimmer fit and has a few less features. Materials used are very similar though so there won't be much in it.

The Xenon is available as a goretex paclite like the Countdown and the Oxygen. Xenon is just the name Gorebike give to their top roadie clothing, so you can buy Xenon shorts, bibs, jerseys, windproofs etc.

The Countdown and the Xenon waterproof both pack into their own rear pockets, whereas the Oxygen doesn't have a rear pocket and packs into a separate stuff sack.

Hope that helps.

I would still very seriously recommend the Montane Velo Pertex as a windproof for the summer - it'll breath much better than the Goretex Paclite stuff, and weighs less than 100g. I try and wear my Countdown only if I know I'm going to get wet.

Tim

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 18, 2008, 12:34:56 pm
I also like the whyte 19 but the doc seems to be saying I need a full susser. The swing arms on the whyte is carbon (looked on their site), apparently its made of 157 pieces or something!

That place at Hope looks good as well, maybe this MTB thing is going to be expensive.

The Cento looks a nice bike, one of many I would like to add to my collection. Tempted more by a cervelo or the SL2.

no doubt. honestly.. you'll run better lines, climb tech better, pump through singletrack better, ride for longer, skip about with a less chance of falling and most importantly have way more fun on a good bouncer... they are more expensive, need some care and not as lite as a hardtail of course...  if you must go hardtail check out Pace's 305.... amazing machine! ( Charlie at work has one - he rave about it!)


I've had a look at the Stan friendly options: demo a mount vision.

However, i believe they stock Trek??  Look at the Remedy range - 6 inch travel under 30lbs!!! 


decisions decisions!!

I'm climbing indoors saturday morning, getting my MTB back from the menders (i'll tell them they will see you soon for an XC bike fatkid) in the afters.... watch Theos sunday morn, piss about on some easy singletrack in the ppouring rain sunday afters... This obviates me further traching my spack foot with a bit of luck..


If you will go to the Foundry, fatdoc.... ;) I have heard that the mats there are a little firm - maybe too firm for the infirm?!?! My knee is still buggered - damaged cartilidge (sp?) according to my physio dude. Not bad bad, but painful and a bit swollen.... A little rest is called for I think (anybody out at the w/end? :devangel:)


They are... the lad's going to the kids club for a few weeks to get someone else to teach him knots and stuff, he also gets to climb with those of his age group more... i train whilst he is there...


*ahem* I know a good surgeon for the knee!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on April 18, 2008, 12:47:58 pm
Sunday MTB then Fatdoc?  You could even let me borrow your Marin to prove how good it is  ;D

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 18, 2008, 01:37:00 pm
just gonna do the footpaths near my house... got a mate coming over - not been  ridden off road for 18 months. he got his compo this week - shoulder fracture dislocation as a cycle vs car. he's more than a bit hesistant!!!  - you've met him, Graham - was on a demo 8 in morzine 2 yr ago, crashes alot! weather looks well shite i have to say.. wont stop me though.. i've missed my new bike. hope to be making the weds evening ride more often than not for the next few months... jerry says it's got to be a regular session

i know your doubts over marin, i had them too - until i rode this one. it has nothing to do with the *sit atop a high bouncy thing and hope to survive* type of ride that i always found they had... you're welcome to have a go!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 18, 2008, 01:45:33 pm
Cheers for the info Tim. I want something packable for commuting etc - as I seem to go to work in the dry and leave and its pissing it down. And being a roadie wet I don't like getting wet. I'll probably get one of them Montane ones for the Summer etc.

Pace bike doc - they look fab - maybe I'll splash out on one. Couple of people are putting me off Marin.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on April 18, 2008, 05:02:52 pm
Quote
hope to be making the weds evening ride more often than not for the next few months... jerry says it's got to be a regular session

Count me in from next week.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 18, 2008, 05:34:23 pm
Quote
hope to be making the weds evening ride more often than not for the next few months... jerry says it's got to be a regular session

Count me in from next week.


you free sunday afters for a bit of a gentle one?
I also like the whyte 19 but the doc seems to be saying I need a full susser. The swing arms on the whyte is carbon (looked on their site), apparently its made of 157 pieces or something!

That place at Hope looks good as well, maybe this MTB thing is going to be expensive.

The Cento looks a nice bike, one of many I would like to add to my collection. Tempted more by a cervelo or the SL2.

i've seen the whyte full suss & the mount vision today, the whyte is to all purposes a mt. vision but made of carbon. the XT version is £2800, £800 more than the mt. vision. I dont think it's worth it. Stans are expecting your call to demo both in the next few weeks, they think you'll love the carbon one!!
 :devangel:


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 18, 2008, 08:16:00 pm
Tim - almost certainly not going out tomorrow - totally knackered at the moment! What Tune wheels did you get? Sounds pricey...

On the subject of buying stuff, would anybody be interested in buying my Planet X carbon pro bike? Only had it since Jan, but I'm pretty sure its the change in the geometry between this and my Lightspeed thats contributing to the knee problem. Seeing as the Lightspeed is my pride and joy (and doesn't agravate the knees), I guess the Planet X is on the market if anybody wants it. Full carbon frame and forks, full Ultegra compact groupset and either the basic Planet X wheelset (unused) which brings the whole bike in at 8.3 kgs, or if you want I might sell it with the 50mm carbon wheels that are currently on it (although this will add at least £350 to the price, but you loose 0.5kg off the bikes weight and it looks the business with carbon wheels)! Its only done 1200kms and is in pristine condition, unlike its owner (who has been round the block several times and has seen better days....)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 18, 2008, 08:17:49 pm
Oh....and I forgot to mention that it is also very quick with the carbon wheels on. Oh yes, very quick... :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 18, 2008, 08:49:44 pm
Fatdoc these Pace bikes look the business - or they too expensive for a roadie freak???? How did you know I love carbon??
Isn't it abit weak for full on MTB abuse. Have to say I like my Ti winter bike.

http://www.pace-racing.co.uk/rolling-chassis.asp?catID=1&subcat=459 (http://www.pace-racing.co.uk/rolling-chassis.asp?catID=1&subcat=459)

Percy I may know I buy for your bike. I'll let you know next week - how much do you want for it, less the carbon wheelset.

Tim, Tune wheels - did you get them from  Poshbikes.com. They look good.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 19, 2008, 06:46:38 pm
I called in a bit of a favour from one of our suppliers for the Tune wheels. Not exactly sure what the damage will be yet, but looks like being a pretty useful discount as the wheels will be coming direct from Tune in Germany rather than from a shop or distributor. Spec should be something like Super RR: MIG 70-28h/ MAG 160-32h/ DT 1.1/ DT Aerolite. Taking the QRs in to account as well they should knock 300g off my wheels and be comfier than the Ksyrium SLs as well.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 19, 2008, 07:58:20 pm
Fatdoc these Pace bikes look the business - or they too expensive for a roadie freak???? How did you know I love carbon??
Isn't it abit weak for full on MTB abuse. Have to say I like my Ti winter bike.

http://www.pace-racing.co.uk/rolling-chassis.asp?catID=1&subcat=459 (http://www.pace-racing.co.uk/rolling-chassis.asp?catID=1&subcat=459)

Percy I may know I buy for your bike. I'll let you know next week - how much do you want for it, less the carbon wheelset.

Tim, Tune wheels - did you get them from  Poshbikes.com. They look good.

you can demo pace 305 and 405 at 18bikes in Hope.....

i wouldnt buy carbon...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 20, 2008, 08:07:48 pm
Hope everyone had a good weekend etc.

I went down south - so no bike activities. Had a look at 18 bikes website . Are these santa cruz bike anygood. Bike radar seem to think they are alright. I may do a a visit there and to Stans on Tuesday as I'm off then. Going to steer clear of carbon - think I'll break it.

They sound good wheels Tim.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 20, 2008, 08:09:18 pm
The Santa Cruz link

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/blur-lt-08-31093?source=newsletter&amp;attr=mtb/2008/03/13 (http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/blur-lt-08-31093?source=newsletter&amp;attr=mtb/2008/03/13)


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on April 21, 2008, 01:22:10 am

Not sure that's really a "leg shavers" link but in answer to your general question....yes, Santa Cruz make good bikes. I have a Chameleon hardtail and I love it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 21, 2008, 07:28:20 am
The Santa Cruz link

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/blur-lt-08-31093?source=newsletter&amp;attr=mtb/2008/03/13 (http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/blur-lt-08-31093?source=newsletter&amp;attr=mtb/2008/03/13)




Thats a 3K build.

Before you get into that bespoke place in Hope SET YOUR BUDGET

you're looking at loads of different styles of bikes..... give me  a txt and come round to mine..... have a feel of my steeds!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 21, 2008, 08:01:29 am
Hey doc,

I'll pop round to yours at some point - and have a gander at yours and decide then what to go for before spashing the cash.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 21, 2008, 09:27:42 am
That Blur LT is very nice. If I was going to have only one bike I'd look at Blur LT, that new Pace 405, Santa Cruz Heckler (bombproof) or the Specialized Enduro, Turner 5 Spot or Cove Hustler. All bikes that would be fantastic round here but perhaps not the nippiest possible uphill.

For shorter travel bikes I think that I'd be very tempted to stick with my Santa Cruz Superlight. Its simple, light, reliable and easier than a hardtail on rough uphills or even flat gound.

You're welcome to have a ride on it if you like - riding as many bikes as possible will help you decide what it is you want from a bike.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 21, 2008, 10:33:24 am
Arrrrrghhhhh too much choice.

Doc tell what to buy I'm no good at choice.

 I'm off out on the road bike - winnats here we come, I'm feeling strong, hopefully I won't die.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 21, 2008, 10:49:05 am
That Blur LT is very nice. If I was going to have only one bike I'd look at Blur LT, that new Pace 405, Santa Cruz Heckler (bombproof) or the Specialized Enduro, Turner 5 Spot or Cove Hustler. All bikes that would be fantastic round here but perhaps not the nippiest possible uphill.
For shorter travel bikes I think that I'd be very tempted to stick with my Santa Cruz Superlight. Its simple, light, reliable and easier than a hardtail on rough uphills or even flat gound.

You're welcome to have a ride on it if you like - riding as many bikes as possible will help you decide what it is you want from a bike. Definately for you FatKid, as you're new to the game

Turner six pack, new marin wolf ridge also meet those criteria

most peeps (roadies or not) can get these up the hills in the peak, i beleive they are worth the hsul for the downs!!

Fatkid, i'm free tonight  ;)

you dont need to spend more than £2k, well... until the upgrades get to you  ;D

I'm also of the opinion the handmade USA frames arnt worth the huge extra cost... i'd prefer more bikes with less expensive frames... of same no. of bikes with more bling / cash to upgrade or replace the bust bits!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 21, 2008, 12:31:39 pm
Fatkid - PlanetX bike sans carbon wheels cost me a grand, so I guess I'd want to get at least £700 for it.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 21, 2008, 01:09:15 pm
Fatkid's looking at 2 bikes in a month... ;D

could of sworn sometime recently he said the marriage was sooting him dear

 :devangel:


looks like he intends to lay down the law with the missus from the outset ;D ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 21, 2008, 01:19:37 pm
annnndddd

back to MTB...


guess what?


i went out for an XC ride




and broke something  :'( :'(



damn new forks AGAIN, travel adjust not working.. again.


phoned LBS.... kinda wanting a DECENT BLOODY FORK




they phoned distributor... (i phoned tim flooks, not a known problem according to him)


I ring LBS back.... they have swung me the new fork...


With a classic......." well Jon, you could of course get an upgrade  - as it will be at cost, probably with some discount."




bollocks.




that'll be a Pike 454 air U-turn then



 :spank:



i have just no self control

 :(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 21, 2008, 02:54:59 pm


Anybody fancy a road ride from Hathersage on Wednesday afternoon starting at 5pm?

I'll be leaving work then and probably doing something like Edale, Monsal, Calver, Sheffield on my way home.

Otherwise should be out at the weekend - I've not been on my bike for a week now due to a cold so probably taking it fairly easy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 21, 2008, 03:52:53 pm
Fatkid's looking at 2 bikes in a month... ;D

could of sworn sometime recently he said the marriage was sooting him dear

 :devangel:


looks like he intends to lay down the law with the missus from the outset ;D ;D

The planet X isn't for me!!! Its for a mate who wants to join the great road cycling revolution. Cheers Percy I'll let him know the price and get back to you.

I'm laying down the law from the outset - I control the cash in the house, otherwise we wouldn't have any -The Mrs would blow it.
Anyway Mrs reckons if I keep cycling I won't get fat so she doesn't care.  :hug:

Oh look fatdoc's broken his bike again, there's a surprise -  :oops:

Fatdoc - I'm around this evening if you're still free.

Think I may die -  got over Winatts Pass - I'm slightly wrecked.  :great:


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on April 21, 2008, 03:55:09 pm


Doc tell what to buy I'm no good at choice.

 

Only thing better than spending your own money on new toys is spending someone else's money.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 21, 2008, 08:08:05 pm


Doc tell what to buy I'm no good at choice.

 

Only thing better than spending your own money on new toys is spending someone else's money.

i'm Sooooo looking 4fward to this  ;D

SA Chris,

if the weather's shite on sunday in scootland.... where i'll be.... i was thinking driving north to laggan (wolftrax) would kill me to get home....  so i'm considering going south and doing glentress (not done anything in the north, no navigation to speak of & i must be the only mtber on in the UK that hasnt been there), then was gonna limp home, via a 3 hr kip in a layby..... have you any other venues that i could consider??


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on April 22, 2008, 09:37:50 am
Depends which way you are heading home? Wolftrax is good, but pretty small, not really worth the detour in the wrong direction. Better saved for a road trip to include Learnie Red Rocks and Golspie Wildcat. Glentress would be great, I love blasting the red trail there; some superb fast flowing riding, but find the black a bit long, rocky and tiresome.  You can get back onto the M6 via the A7 (expect slow traffic), or go A1 if you are feeling brave. Alternatives are a detour off the M6 you could get to Mabie, http://www.7stanes.gov.uk/forestry/INFD-6XRFHK (http://www.7stanes.gov.uk/forestry/INFD-6XRFHK) or Carron Valley http://www.carronvalley.org.uk/ (http://www.carronvalley.org.uk/). I have not been to either, but heard good things.

This site is dead handy http://cycling.visitscotland.com/mountain_biking/mb_centre/ (http://cycling.visitscotland.com/mountain_biking/mb_centre/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on April 22, 2008, 11:02:26 am
I'm moving to Sheffield (car load by car load) at the moment. Got any recommendations for circuits in the 20-30mile range coming out of Heeley or the train station? I moved the bike from Leeds to Sheffield the hard way last night and am feeling suprisingly good this morning, must be the extra padding in my shiny new assos tights :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on April 22, 2008, 12:44:04 pm


Doc tell what to buy I'm no good at choice.

 

Only thing better than spending your own money on new toys is spending someone else's money.

i'm Sooooo looking 4fward to this  ;D

SA Chris,

if the weather's shite on sunday in scootland.... where i'll be.... i was thinking driving north to laggan (wolftrax) would kill me to get home....  so i'm considering going south and doing glentress (not done anything in the north, no navigation to speak of & i must be the only mtber on in the UK that hasnt been there), then was gonna limp home, via a 3 hr kip in a layby..... have you any other venues that i could consider??




Go to Glentress.  Do the black.  On your white Whyte!  Was all that travel adjusting why you were so slow on Sunday? hehe

Wednesday night after dark session?  Wy**** Br***?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 22, 2008, 02:19:19 pm
hey guys. i just wanted to tell you about my recent trip to the pyrenees (i would have done it before but i have had a bit of a shit week.)
we flew to toulouse then got the train to montrejeau where we were met by Julie of the company www.velopyrenees.com, quick stop at the super market to get museli bars and we were off to base camp for the week. by luck the weather was perfect blue skies, sunny - bliss. after a lunch and a home made cake we went out for a quick 30 miles to check that we had built our bikes back correctly!

over the next 5 days we rode in near almost perfect weather, taking in 13 of the big cols and clocking up about 400 miles. the highlight for me has to be our 105mile ride taking in the col de aspet twice and the tourmalet (which was covered in snow at the top).

the people we stayed with were amazing, lee is a total beast on the bike and he and julie did an amazing job cooking to feed our massive appetites. i would 100% recomend this place to any keen roadie looking to ride some famous tour routes without the crowds of the alps. (lee says that there is top quality MTB stuff close by XC i imagine).
cost - bed and breakfast £108. amazing, and we were charged 18 euros for each meal which in my opinion was amazing, 3 courses every night including a bottle of wine - challenge anyone to need to ask for seconds!

i will post up a few pics for you maybe tonight...
at last i feel like a "propper cyclist!"

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 22, 2008, 02:23:34 pm
oh i should add, that lee guided us free of charge (we did buy him one coffee so i guess that you could say it costs 3 euro for expert local knowledge).
when he was not avaliable he gave us a map, route profile and even offered a gps bike computer, we didnt get lost even once from his directions. if he couldnt come out for the whole day,he would ride with us for half of the route then nip back on a short cut.

somthing special about riding a bike to a ski resort (super baniers) and popping out above the cloud the the most amazing views!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on April 22, 2008, 03:09:58 pm

Go to Glentress.  Do the black.  On your white Whyte!  Was all that travel adjusting why you were so slow on Sunday? hehe


Thus spake the expert. If you are at all knackered or hungover, just be aware that it has some hard climbing. On a full susser you should be fine on the rocky descents, on my hardtail my arse was in tatters.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 23, 2008, 08:00:57 am
Sounds awesome, Chappers. The list of cols I'd like to ride is growing at an alarming rate. A trip to the south of France before the end of this year could well be on the agenda...... Managed to get out for a bit last night, but knees still painful, so I am in the process of tracking down a physio with cycling expertise - easier said than done, but all the people I've spoken to it about say that seeing a GP or a physio without specific cycling knowledge will be a waste of time and money. If anybody has any contacts in the Sheffield/Chesterfield area, let me know. It was awesome riding in the Peak last night - everybody seemed to be out on their bikes and it was a beautiful evening. Made being cruised past by Malc Elliot and his training buddy all the easier to take!
How was Winnats, Fatkid - did you finally have to put your bike in the small ring?!?!  :jaw:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 23, 2008, 08:01:38 am

Go to Glentress.  Do the black.  On your white Whyte!  Was all that travel adjusting why you were so slow on Sunday? hehe


Thus spake the expert. If you are at all knackered or hungover, just be aware that it has some hard climbing. On a full susser you should be fine on the rocky descents, on my hardtail my arse was in tatters.

Forks bust again  >:( >:(

I've spat my dummy out, replacments on the way.

And it not  a whyte, it's a marin....

Nice advice, glentress it is.... if weather not good... this place i'm staying seems to be in spitting distance of Weem, shame no one else on the trip sport climbs - the bouldering guide says it's rather good!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 23, 2008, 09:17:47 am
Percy - I'm doing an MSc in sport medicine starting in October - so can't help at the mo. One of the gassers at the Northern cycles with the guy who is the medic / doc for the UK cycling team. I think although not sure that he's a GP based in or near Sheffield. I'll try to find out for you.
My mate doesn't want your bike percy he's already bought an S-works SL2 Tarmac - rich git!!!!!

Had to use the small ring - always wandered what it was there for!!!!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 23, 2008, 09:28:13 am
Cheers for the advice lastnight fatdoc. I'm thinking the Mount Vision should serve my needs - although the blurp on Marins website claims that your bike is better designed for abuse etc (although thats doubtful in your hands)

In previous post Tim mentioned the Santa cruz superlight being good. Is it worth looking at? Its got less travel.
I'll organise a demo at Stans but its going to be a few weekend away - as I'm working the next two.

Winnats is on the legbreaker and the small ring was used last 200 yards was pretty evil. I'm going for the 130KM legbreaker not sure I've got the legs at the mo - some serious hill training is coming up - anyone up for for it???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 23, 2008, 09:59:02 am
Percy

The lad I ride with is a physio who specialises in knees. I'll speak to him and then pm you the best contact details for him.

We will be out tonight I think starting from Hathersage at 5pm if anyboby is available. Probably be fairly gentle as I am still feeling pretty ropey from a cold, but I need a to get a few miles in.

Superlight is a classic single pivot design. Probably not the last word in sophistication, but its reliable and it works (I'm not lending it to Fatdoc). I think that with the modern pro-pedal style rear shocks it probably works a lot better than my old version. If you want something similar but burlier   then the Heckler gives more strength, weight and 5 inches (might be 5.5 inches actually). Either frame will cost around a grand. A Specialized or Marin will cost a lot less. Whether its worth it or not is personal preference (and depends how long you are likely to keep it or break it). A friend of mine who rides a lot got rid of his Specialized because it was costing him a fortune in pivot bushes/bearings. I've changed mine once in 6000km on the Superlight for £18. It needs doing again though at the moment.

 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 23, 2008, 10:14:00 am
Pleae tell me you just forgot the punctuation, Fatkid.... Reading your last post its sounded like you just used the small ring for the last 200m of Winnats! Tell me it ain't so....

I rode my mates old Colnago up Winnats last year - its smallest gear was 42-21. Needless to say, it was a multi-pitch ascent! He used to just get out of the saddle and honk all the way up when he was fit. He never was the brightest spark...give me the compact everytime!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 23, 2008, 05:25:14 pm
Finally found a man who might be able to help - Simeon Hempsall. Has a practise on Eccy Road, has fixed loads of cyclists ailments, and was British amateur road race champion in 1990. He should know what he's on about, I reckon. Bring on the knee fixer... :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 23, 2008, 06:36:21 pm
Yes it was a mistake I was in the bottom ring from the bottom cattle grid, with 4 gears to go, but quickly ran out of gears on the way up. Did manage it in one go.

One of the cycling gasser at the Northern recommends the chap you are going to see Percy. I'm doing a list with the chap who knows the doc who works for UK cycling on Friday - so I'll find out his name and whether he sees amateurs etc.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 23, 2008, 07:22:38 pm
Cheers, Fatkid. That'll be a good contact if this Simeon guy can't help me. Did Winnats a few times last year, but before I had a compact, so it was a struggle (although I was riding a stealth cheat gear - I had a 38 tooth small ring which just helps that little bit). Still found it epic at the top, when the 38-25 ration was still seeming a bit too ambitious. Its just that little bit too long to be possible in a oner without some serious bearing down! Monsal Head (or Mam Nick) is a path in comparison, but both are probably good training for the gradient. I was about par on Winnats, for every time I'd have to stop to prevent cardiac arrest, I'd have a good go where I'd do it alright. It is a proper good hill, that one!

Whilst still on about road issues, I got a copy of a recent Top Velo magazine whilst in France recently which has a huge weight weenies section, including a review of a 4.5kg Schmolke bike and a test of 6 bikes that weight 6.5kgs and less. Makes all our kit suddenly seem, well, a bit heavy?!?!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 23, 2008, 07:49:26 pm
Cheers, Fatkid. That'll be a good contact if this Simeon guy can't help me. Did Winnats a few times last year, but before I had a compact, so it was a struggle (although I was riding a stealth cheat gear - I had a 38 tooth small ring which just helps that little bit). Still found it epic at the top, when the 38-25 ration was still seeming a bit too ambitious. Its just that little bit too long to be possible in a oner without some serious bearing down! Monsal Head (or Mam Nick) is a path in comparison, but both are probably good training for the gradient. I was about par on Winnats, for every time I'd have to stop to prevent cardiac arrest, I'd have a good go where I'd do it alright. It is a proper good hill, that one!

Whilst still on about road issues, I got a copy of a recent Top Velo magazine whilst in France recently which has a huge weight weenies section, including a review of a 4.5kg Schmolke bike and a test of 6 bikes that weight 6.5kgs and less. Makes all our kit suddenly seem, well, a bit heavy?!?!
er.... amd you wonder why your knees are fucked???  :shrug:
Percy

The lad I ride with is a physio who specialises in knees. I'll speak to him and then pm you the best contact details for him.

We will be out tonight I think starting from Hathersage at 5pm if anyboby is available. Probably be fairly gentle as I am still feeling pretty ropey from a cold, but I need a to get a few miles in.

Superlight is a classic single pivot design. Probably not the last word in sophistication, but its reliable and it works (I'm not lending it to Fatdoc). I think that with the modern pro-pedal style rear shocks it probably works a lot better than my old version. If you want something similar but burlier   then the Heckler gives more strength, weight and 5 inches (might be 5.5 inches actually). Either frame will cost around a grand. A Specialized or Marin will cost a lot less. Whether its worth it or not is personal preference (and depends how long you are likely to keep it or break it). A friend of mine who rides a lot got rid of his Specialized because it was costing him a fortune in pivot bushes/bearings. I've changed mine once in 6000km on the Superlight for £18. It needs doing again though at the moment.

 

I agree, reagrding bushes, get a drift for £10 off BETD and do it yourself for the shock bushes... it's rare for spesh to have repeated bearing issues (to be fair Intense - aka Santa Cruz design house - have an appalling reputation for bearings) unless the frame's bent!
In addition Tim, you've ridden a lot on that superlight.... with minimal component damage; fast smooth roadie on the MTB trails technique no doubt... for me it's blundering, bashing. falling and vainly huckin about!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 24, 2008, 07:32:00 am
It was awesome riding in the Peak last night - everybody seemed to be out on their bikes and it was a beautiful evening. Made being cruised past by Malc Elliot and his training buddy all the easier to take!
How was Winnats, Fatkid - did you finally have to put your bike in the small ring?!?!  :jaw:

I'm quite surprised Malc still gets out on his bike - loads of pros never ride after they quit. Was he on some awesome dream bike ? I got out after work yesterday evening for a couple of hours, peaks was awesome.

So it looks like the Mount Vision - I'm working the next two weekend - bollocks.  I'll book a test ride at Stans after that. Maybe I can sneak onto those wedding essentials that the missus keeps harping on about!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 24, 2008, 08:05:46 am
Malc is still racing, but he races for Pinarello RT I think - just domestic stuff. He's still winning fairly regularly though! And yes, it looked like a very nice bike - I didn't get a good look cos it was moving too quickly...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 24, 2008, 08:14:52 am
i rode with him a few weeks back on the rutland ride. he was on a pinnarello prince with a full carbon record group. very nice. yeah, he still races for the pinarello team in domestic stuff. made quite a come back i understand, winning left right and centre.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on April 24, 2008, 08:22:14 am
Have any of you guys registered to do the Bealach na Ba challenge by any chance

http://bealach-na-ba.co.uk/bealach-na-ba/event_BNB.htm (http://bealach-na-ba.co.uk/bealach-na-ba/event_BNB.htm)

Was chatting to a mate who is doing it, and we are going to head over to Applecross / Torridon for that weekend and get come climbing in.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 24, 2008, 10:12:38 am
It was awesome riding in the Peak last night - everybody seemed to be out on their bikes and it was a beautiful evening. Made being cruised past by Malc Elliot and his training buddy all the easier to take!
How was Winnats, Fatkid - did you finally have to put your bike in the small ring?!?!  :jaw:

I'm quite surprised Malc still gets out on his bike - loads of pros never ride after they quit. Was he on some awesome dream bike ? I got out after work yesterday evening for a couple of hours, peaks was awesome.

So it looks like the Mount Vision - I'm working the next two weekend - bollocks.  I'll book a test ride at Stans after that. Maybe I can sneak onto those wedding essentials that the missus keeps harping on about!!

let me know when you have the vision, persuade them to have it for both days at the weekend - i'll take you out (in the right way, not the wrong way)
Oh... no lycra, it's the law.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 24, 2008, 10:18:45 am
Maybe I can sneak onto those wedding essentials that the missus keeps harping on about!!

If you spend any of her wedding budget on new bikes you'll not be sneaking onto her 'wedding essentials' for quite some time!

Beautiful ride last night round Tideswell and Monsal. Glad I'm not on the bike today though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 24, 2008, 10:36:28 am
http://www.bikemagic.com/news/article/mps/uan/6162

read this fatboy, you need to ride both the MV and the WR IMO
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 24, 2008, 06:56:19 pm
Just got a pair of these to test for the next week. They are very light indeed!
(http://www.robingriffiths.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/mavic-r-sys-1.JPG)

The knee man was very helpful - I now am battered! However, I think they will be OK - nothing desperate wrong I don't think...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 24, 2008, 07:36:04 pm
It'll be interesting to see how you get on with those. A friend of mine borrowed them for the Lakeland Loop, he said they were a bit uncomfortable because they were so stiff, especially the front with all carbon spokes.

Were they from Butterworths?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 24, 2008, 08:02:45 pm
Demo pair from James'. I heard they were stiff, but not as stiff as the Ksyrium SL's that I currently have, so I'll be interested to see how they go.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 24, 2008, 09:23:12 pm
When do your tune wheels arrive Tim?
I thought Mavic wheels were - a bit shit, or have I been mis-informed???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Paul B on April 24, 2008, 09:25:20 pm
Demo pair from James'. I heard they were stiff, but not as stiff as the Ksyrium SL's that I currently have, so I'll be interested to see how they go.

You'd think you part owned a Velodrome reading this thread  :-[
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on April 24, 2008, 09:30:25 pm
Cycling gear in ALDI from 1st May. Bib shorts £8.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 25, 2008, 10:44:23 am
When do your tune wheels arrive Tim?
I thought Mavic wheels were - a bit shit, or have I been mis-informed???

Should be about 3 weeks apparently. Wheelbuilders seem to dislike Mavic (or any factory built wheels), but I haven't noticed any problems with my SLs in the time I've been riding them. They are supposed to be expensive, hard to true and harsh. :shrug: mine came on my second hand bike.

Saturday looks like the day for riding this weekend. I'll be out with my mate if anybody is interested in joining us - you need to try those R-Sys Percy!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 25, 2008, 12:28:20 pm
I haven't had any problems with Mavic wheels. My SL's have been brilliant, if a little unforgiving on long rides. I'm away this weekend so no riding for me. However, I did grab a couple of hours this morning on the R-Sys wheels just to see what they where like, and the verdict is.....

Good wheels, but I can't see me shelling out the best part of £800 for a pair. Not quite as stiff as the SL's and a more comfortable ride. Noticably lighter and more responsive when climbing which was nice. I did get them to flex a bit when sprinting though - enough to make the spoke magnet start to clip the speed sensor on the forks. I can't do this on the SL's - too stiff. Maybe I'm a fatty, or maybe I'm just awesomely powerful... (I don't think so, in either case!) A funny wheelset - a bit too stiff for long sportives or club runs, but (for me) not stiff enough for racing. I'll stick with what I've got, I reckon.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 25, 2008, 04:36:16 pm
Go Italian...

fulcrum 1s to be precise...

i love mine!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on April 26, 2008, 01:16:38 am
on the subject of wheels... I broke a spoke today (road bike - very old school) where's the best place in sheffield for getting stuff like that sorted:- bicicleta??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 26, 2008, 07:44:28 am
Maybe I was wrong about the Mavics, but I do like the look of fatdocs fulcrum 1s. My 7s are abit battered from a winter of commuting although not in bad condition considering how shit the roads are in Sheffield. My Reynold's solitude need trueing already - so in my mind are shit. May have to look at sneaking a pair onto the wedding list - do you think she'll notice????

Anybody bought any bibs recently - mine have gone to that - still smell despite being washed phase. Assos prices seem to have gone up quicker than a drum brent crude oil. Any suggestions???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 26, 2008, 09:53:37 am
DubDom - Butterworths in Hillsborough should be able to sort you out. Bicicleta maybe able to help aswell, although they only seem to build super expensive wheels, so if its an old wheel they may not have the right bits for it...

As for the bibs issue, I have several pairs from Decathlon which work great, but I never wear cos the assos ones I have are so good. Its one of those, the assos ones are by far the best and will last way longer (unless you buy a new pair and crash in them like me :() but they currently cost so much its hard to justify spending the extortionate ammount of cash. Either go cheap, or bite down hard on the pillow and do the assos thing....is it true your wedding list is being kept at poshbikes.com Fatkid?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on April 26, 2008, 11:25:26 am
james have assos bibs in the sale (last years model.)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 26, 2008, 02:21:37 pm
Either go cheap, or bite down hard on the pillow and do the assos thing....is it true your wedding list is being kept at poshbikes.com Fatkid?



Now there is a good idea. I could put a clothing account on at that rapha place aswell. Well we don't need any plates etc.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on April 26, 2008, 09:32:47 pm
Swanky bike - £4000
Swanky add-ons - £1000
Swanky clothes - £500
Zipping past on my 12 year old Dawes racer, wearing a pair of cutoff jeans and a cheap t-shirt - priceless

(especially when the person I'm zipping past is a bloke with an inappropriately large ego)  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 27, 2008, 07:59:03 am
Don't forget £2K for a pair lightweights as well.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 28, 2008, 12:22:56 pm
question (i know nothing about mountain bike parts and their compatibility with road bike parts...):
i want to put a pair of these funky riser mountain bike bars onto my fixed bike.

will they fit into the current (non oversize) road bike stem that i have on there? are they all a standard diameter? ones like this i was looking at:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360011217&N=FSA%20XC%20280%20Handlebar

(anyone know where i can get some for about that price, but with less logos on em?)

nice one!
(by the way, i have a few spare official "one less car" top tube stickers from bikedump in Ottawa (legendary place, involved in co ordination of critical mass rides) if anyone would like one (pm me) - my girlfriend got them for me on a recent trip home to visit her folks).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 28, 2008, 09:01:57 pm
ooo one last question...
currently on my fixie i have a gusset half link BMX chain. im not sure if it is this, but the bike feels sluggish, if i was to ride my ribble (a heavier bike) in a similar gear ratio i would be much faster and smoother. if i switch for a quality track chain would i be quicker??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on April 29, 2008, 01:43:17 am
Never tried a half link chain, but have run a few from cheap to middling on my two, and not noticed any significant difference, so would guess it ain't that. Chain's not to tight is it? BB in decent shape?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on April 29, 2008, 01:47:35 am
Stem/bar sizing... yes there's a difference between road/MTB. IIRC one is 25.4mm dia, the other 26mm. not sure which is which tho, and I have used MTB stems on road bars without problems...
Edit: just read your link, it would seem its the MTB that are 25.4 - therefore road=26mm. I'm guessing this is bad - a stem designed for a fatter bar may not be able to get tight enough? having said that, there's always a bit of gap so you'd imagine that there'sspace to take up the slack. Or cut up a coke can and wrap that round the bar...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on April 29, 2008, 10:26:50 am
Should I get a new cassette with my new wheels or just stick the old one back on (1 year old).
Also gloves. What's decent? The last pair of fingerless I bought just bunched up under my hands. It was really quite annoying.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 29, 2008, 05:47:31 pm
Finally got round to getting some proper wheels.

Getting a set of these from La bicicletta.

http://www.zipp.com/Products/Wheels/tabid/85/CategoryID/2/List/1/Level/1/ProductID/40/Default.aspx?SortField=ISBN%2cISBN (http://www.zipp.com/Products/Wheels/tabid/85/CategoryID/2/List/1/Level/1/ProductID/40/Default.aspx?SortField=ISBN%2cISBN)

Baron - gloves Specialized contact points are always good I've got a couple of pairs of their Pro BG ones which come fingerless or with fingers. I've also got some Rapha ones - really good, 100% leather - but totally overpriced.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on April 29, 2008, 06:07:55 pm
I wear Specialized short finger gloves which I found for £4 in a bargain bin at my local bike shop (luckily ladies size small stuff often seems to get reduced whilst mens equivalents are still full price) but when it's warm I prefer not to wear any gloves.

In winter I wear Campagnolo textran metal long-finger gloves which were a good investment as they're warm and grippy but really light and flexible. And they've lasted a good few years so far.  Again, they're the ladies version though.  So possibly not a very helpful suggestion.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 30, 2008, 07:54:10 am
Finally got round to getting some proper wheels.

Getting a set of these from La bicicletta.

http://www.zipp.com/Products/Wheels/tabid/85/CategoryID/2/List/1/Level/1/ProductID/40/Default.aspx?SortField=ISBN%2cISBN (http://www.zipp.com/Products/Wheels/tabid/85/CategoryID/2/List/1/Level/1/ProductID/40/Default.aspx?SortField=ISBN%2cISBN)

Baron - gloves Specialized contact points are always good I've got a couple of pairs of their Pro BG ones which come fingerless or with fingers. I've also got some Rapha ones - really good, 100% leather - but totally overpriced.

Oh God, you're getting even faster  :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 30, 2008, 08:37:21 pm

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Oh God, you're getting even faster  :'(
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Thats the idea. Plus I've been hill training after work loads. Although today I couldn't shake some bloke off who drafted off on A57 up into Crosspool. Mind you I was loaded up with work stuff and on the commuter bike with mud-guards etc.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 30, 2008, 10:11:28 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/13.jpg)
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/2.jpg)
as far as we could get on the tourmalet, i will go back this summer and ride it when the snow has been removed from the road. unfinished business.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 30, 2008, 10:15:19 pm
Shouldn't you be on a cervelo with that CSC top on?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 30, 2008, 10:22:04 pm
ha ha, if i knew anything about cycling when i bought it im sure that i would be, i didnt even know who they were or basso or anyone! fact is that it was the least expensive on on the web, it could say whatever it wanted to for all my money cares! (i have become a bit of a fan of csc as a result tho)...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 01, 2008, 10:38:59 am
Due to a particularly favourable tail wind, I'd like to declare today 'fast Thursday'! Just took nearly 5 minutes off my best time for my local training loop in the Peak. All the time was made up on the hills, due to the fact that the wind is just right to give loads of help. Was going the wrong way round to try for a sub-15 minute Froggatt hill time (definately possible today I reckon), but rode up the hill under Gardoms in the big ring which is normally not an option for me! (Also clocked 75kph on the way back into Sheffield from Owler Bar).  8)
You getting the new wheels today, fatkid? Shouldn't you be on a Cervelo with those CSC wheels?!?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 01, 2008, 11:08:54 am
Well I'd like to declare today 'Bastard Slow Thursday'. Thanks to a headwind all the way up Ringinglow Road this morning, commuting to Hathersage took 4 minutes longer than normal, and I needed gears I don't normally use. Coming down under Higgar usually sees 60+kph on the clock, today it just struggled over 40kph.

Whats the betting the wind has dropped or swung round by home time?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 01, 2008, 11:14:27 am
Just got the new wheels - they look very nice. Need to put some tyres on them - going to ride them at the weekend. If I get some rim tape - forgot that I had run out!!!
Percy if I bought a cervelo - I'd feel like a right twat - I can't justify £4K on a bike. They are pro bikes for pros to ride.

So basically you got blown round.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 01, 2008, 11:45:00 am
Quote
So basically you got blown round

That's right - it was great. I did have an epic headwind getting out into the Peak (I can fully sympathise, Tim - total hard graft up to Owler Bar this morning) but more than made up for this on the way back! And fatkid, you wouldn't look like a twat on a Cervelo, due to the fact that you'd have to ride it at the speed of light so nobody could see you on it (or overtake you!).... The posh bike effect - you have to ride faster to save humiliation. Mind you, your missus miught object to that going on the wedding list.... :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 01, 2008, 01:08:14 pm
Our very own Cowboy hat has done Froggatt hill in under 15 mins for a dare. He said he felt "unusual" upon reaching the summit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 01, 2008, 08:45:46 pm
I went for the Froggatt Hill Challenge on the way home, and got a new PB of 14.54. I have to say though that the wind didn't feel that helpful by the time I got there!

Average heart rate of 173bpm, and a max of 189bpm, which is 4 over my theoretical limit.

I'll admit to feeling 'a lttle unusual' at the top as well. Still a minute behind my mate's best time though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 01, 2008, 09:09:09 pm
Nice one! That might nearly be as quick as the dude on the battered steel-framed fixie who shot past me and fatdoc on Froggatt hill a few months back! (bastard...!)
I think the wind had died down a lot by home time today, Tim - never mind...all good training. When's the FW?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 01, 2008, 10:06:10 pm
Whitton is the 11th May. I'm happy enough that I'll get round, less certain that I'll keep up with my mates.

Froggatt Hill Challenge - 5.87km of pain. Get to the the Challenge gents. Give way line to give way line.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 01, 2008, 10:44:44 pm
I'm up for this challenge my hill climbing is getting better and my new super wheels will make me even faster. Oh and I've lost half a stone so less weight to haul around. Anyone riding Saturday? The lady is away - hen weekend, so don't have to ask for pass out. Not working as I thought the rota people did me a favour for once.

Anyone know how to fix a rattling crank - it creaks when I pedal, doesn't look cracked or anything serious, think its just worked its way loose.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 02, 2008, 08:02:02 am
What have you got - campag or shimano? My ultegra cranks got a little creaky last year, but they just needed re-greasing and a bit of a service. I had another creak recently when I pushed on the left pedal which I thought was the cranks, but turned out to just be the saddle creaking so that was a lot easier to sort!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 02, 2008, 12:24:20 pm
I'm up for this challenge my hill climbing is getting better and my new super wheels will make me even faster. Oh and I've lost half a stone so less weight to haul around. Anyone riding Saturday? The lady is away - hen weekend, so don't have to ask for pass out. Not working as I thought the rota people did me a favour for once.

Anyone know how to fix a rattling crank - it creaks when I pedal, doesn't look cracked or anything serious, think its just worked its way loose.


Oh my Lord....

I'm not rising to this, i'll die...

haematoma on thigh now less painful, new peak on full facer on order...

I'm off to the MTB thread!!!  Big XC loop  planned for sunday morning
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 02, 2008, 12:35:09 pm
 :thumbsdown:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 02, 2008, 12:42:59 pm
well, Tlr has 2 mtbs, fatkid's gonna get one, Yoss has one...


it's time to offroad dude!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 02, 2008, 02:02:00 pm
Don't let my missus hear you say that sort of thing. I'm in enough trouble as it is with my road bike problems.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 02, 2008, 05:00:06 pm
well, Tlr has 2 mtbs, fatkid's gonna get one, Yoss has one...


it's time to offroad dude!!

i have two in storage and a broken one in the garage...

but when i put my new old 3T bars on the colnago and sort out the bar tape i will have two fine road bikes working.

that said, i seem to be glued to the intense website at the moment... i wonder if anyone owns all of them?!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 02, 2008, 06:28:35 pm
 :thumbsup: Come on fatdoc you know you want a race up Froggart Hill.

I'm taking the bike with the dodgy bottom bracket / cranks to Stan's at Matlock.

Spoke to Stan's regarding the MTB - They though I should get the Attack Trail - If I was going near it with fatdoc or the Mount Vision if I was riding with anyone else!!!!

Don't let my missus hear you say that sort of thing. I'm in enough trouble as it is with my road bike problems.....

I wonder who's wearing the trousers in Percy's house at the moment???

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 02, 2008, 06:33:32 pm
I'll give you a clue - 7 months up the stick, with a paticularly good 'withering' look everytime I mention bicycle shops. Luckily the Chesterfield James cycles has a baby seat department.... :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 02, 2008, 06:52:49 pm
:thumbsup: Come on fatdoc you know you want a race up Froggart Hill.

I'm taking the bike with the dodgy bottom bracket / cranks to Stan's at Matlock.

Spoke to Stan's regarding the MTB - They though I should get the Attack Trail - If I was going near it with fatdoc or the Mount Vision if I was riding with anyone else!!!!

Don't let my missus hear you say that sort of thing. I'm in enough trouble as it is with my road bike problems.....

I wonder who's wearing the trousers in Percy's house at the moment???



attack trail it is then

 :devangel:


when you gonna borrow their wolf ridge then? do you want to ride it about houdkirk & blakka? or go for the more full on Hope  / ladybower experience... i know a fine test loop there of climbs, descents and one section of flat out... known as the kamikaze!  - its actually OK, and on 140mm travel would be purfect to ensnare you into the *hard* XC / all mtn thing..

also; i know some *trainer* jumps / drops 5 mins from my house... god bless the sheffield parks dept!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 02, 2008, 07:01:31 pm
I'll give you a clue - 7 months up the stick, with a paticularly good 'withering' look everytime I mention bicycle shops. Luckily the Chesterfield James cycles has a baby seat department.... :whistle:

Once they have you snared thats it. Just tell her that if she wants fat bloater of a husband, then you won't visit such establishments as La bicicletta. If she wants you to keep your fine physique you will continue to visit such establishments, in moderation of course.

Fatdoc : Once I've got the wedding fully funded I'll get the attack. My other half seems quite cool about it. Come on you know you want that race!!!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 02, 2008, 11:04:00 pm
Was it the LSD or maybe the hypoxia from going too fast?

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/cycling-lsd-discoverer-dies-aged-102-16085 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/cycling-lsd-discoverer-dies-aged-102-16085)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 03, 2008, 10:23:13 am
I'm off to do the Frog hill challenge this afternoon - is it the hill that goes up through Froggart Village? Anyone else going out? New wheels sorted and ready to go.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 03, 2008, 11:06:16 am
Come on, Fatkid - get with the program! Start at the give way lines at the right turn up for the road that goes under Froggatt edge (1st right as you head towards Grindleford from Calver cross roads) and stop the clock when you hit the give way lines at the top. Just a shade less than 6 kms at an average gradient of 7% (so I as told, but maybe its not even that steep). Feels a little grim as you go past the bit by the Grouse pub, then easier to the top. 15 mins is the benchmark for seeing if you are proper fit - its very hard to get near this at the end of a ride though, so you might want to head straight there rather than do 30 miles before you arrive which is normaly the way I manage to get there! Tlr has the right idea - an easy rolling warm-up ride starting from Hathersage is the perfect preparation for a cracking time... I was doing intervals on this hill last year in preparation for alpine cols - works a treat at getting you used to finding a good hill climbing rythym and technique.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 03, 2008, 03:57:46 pm
Well I got with the programme. After a 30 Km warm up. I did the Froggart Hill Challenge. Time to the top with a standing start 13 mins 27 sec. Any good?? I was abit 'unusual' at the top. Maybe it was the new wheel set??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 03, 2008, 06:08:07 pm
That is quick. Oh yes! Must be those wheels... :bow:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 04, 2008, 02:09:03 pm
Well I got with the programme. After a 30 Km warm up. I did the Froggart Hill Challenge. Time to the top with a standing start 13 mins 27 sec. Any good?? I was abit 'unusual' at the top. Maybe it was the new wheel set??

Thats very quick indeed, that's an average of 26.2kph or 16.3mph in old money. I'm very impressed (whilst mentally making a note never to go riding with you).

And I'm buggered if I have ever done a standing start on it - I hit the start line with all the momentum I can!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 04, 2008, 04:44:23 pm
I don't think I'll beat that time - think it was beginners luck type of thing and not really knowing where it was going to get hard. I also benefitted from a couple of pacers who I caught up with on the way up. May I'll try it again this week at some point.

Meet a few guys from the Sheffrec club who seemed pleasant for club riders not as stuck up as the Rutland boys. Rode back to Sheffield with a guy on a cervelo R3, looked a nice machine but not as nice to look at as some of the bling in La bicicletta or the Wilier Cento.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 04, 2008, 05:04:22 pm
Well I got with the programme. After a 30 Km warm up. I did the Froggart Hill Challenge. Time to the top with a standing start 13 mins 27 sec. Any good?? I was abit 'unusual' at the top. Maybe it was the new wheel set??

Thats very quick indeed, that's an average of 26.2kph or 16.3mph in old money. I'm very impressed (whilst mentally making a note never to go riding with you).

And I'm buggered if I have ever done a standing start on it - I hit the start line with all the momentum I can!

he really is quick isnt he...  :'(

good effort.
i fell off six times XC today, twice uphill! forks NOT bust...

I agree, you need the attack trail BTW...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 04, 2008, 05:15:40 pm
well, i took the colnago for its maiden voyage around kent and sussex this morning. the gearing was surprisingly easy to get used to, although some of the steeper hills were a bit of a pain...

the main problem was the brakes. they were shit. i wonder if the pads are the original ones?!  i got about 4-5 seconds of hard braking before they began to terminally fade. hmmmm. in the end i decided to concentrate on improving my cornering speed and praying to the gods of the all religions i could remember, and i managed to get home in one piece. i'd actually bought a set of NOS super record blocks, and i think i better fit them before i go out again.

bloody comfy ride though. why i ever spent years on an aluminium bike i will never know.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SheffyRoc on May 04, 2008, 10:17:39 pm
Hi, I'm new(ish) to Sheffield and looking for a good local bike shop. I've trawled this thread and seen James and La Bicicleta mentioned a few times. Any other good ones I should take a look at?  Cheers
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 05, 2008, 10:05:07 am
road or MTB?

*can of worms opening*


 about piss poor service, long waits and general indifference coming....


(i go to stanley fearns in matlock for mtb...)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SheffyRoc on May 05, 2008, 04:09:54 pm
road or MTB?

Both! But it's my road bike needing some TLC at the moment, possibly some new parts.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 05, 2008, 05:46:28 pm
fatkid and percy lurrve the biccletta shop. be aware from posts above - all bits are weighed for you prior to purchase!

butterworths has a good roadie reputation... i have no knowledge but dolly has used them before...

for mtb i'd leave the city, go to matlock... stanley fearns. i may also be in touch with an ex employee of a bike shop closer to home that now works as a freelance mechanic in his spare time, he knows his shit.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 05, 2008, 06:23:23 pm
I'd agree with fatdoc's recommendations.

La bicicletta is a dangerous place for credit cards, it sells top end stuff, especially wheels and carbon components. They do complete bike builds - not sure if they do repairs / services - I suspect not.

I'd avoid James's its a big local chain, I only buy tubes, clothing and odd bits and pieces there. I wouldn't trust them with repairs etc. I've never been but old Uni told me never to go for mechanical work.

Stanley Fearns at Matlock, is also good for roadie stuff. You have to book in advance - about a week at the moment, but their mechanics are good and the bike always runs better having been there.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 05, 2008, 07:45:01 pm
Racescene in Barnsley is THE place for roadie repairs and service. Very friendly, very knowledgeble and friendly as you like. They also stock budget stuff amongst the extremely pricey stuff, so you don't need to remortgage the house before you visit. They fitted a compact onto my bike within 30 minutes, and gave me a brew whilst I was waiting - there's not that many bike shops around that will carry out repairs and servicing whilst you wait.  www.racescene.co.uk is their website. Highly recommended, and worth the drive from sheffield. JE James in Shef is only good for tubes and expensive clothing really. Butterworths is great, but doesn't have a masive range of stuff - nice guys though and know their stuff.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 05, 2008, 07:47:49 pm
God, I love this thread!
 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 05, 2008, 08:26:03 pm
On the subject of bike maintenance I bought this book today in Outside, Hathersage. Its really good, used it to sort the rear derailleur on my wilier. Its probably got stuff in I'll never attempt, but with the photos etc it makes sorting those rattles out a touch easier.

http://www.acblack.com/Catalogue/details.asp?sku=1424257&dept%5Fid=11&mscssid=74NE6GL4CT7L9J1DJKF7R2PDD5QUEFUA (http://www.acblack.com/Catalogue/details.asp?sku=1424257&dept%5Fid=11&mscssid=74NE6GL4CT7L9J1DJKF7R2PDD5QUEFUA)
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 05, 2008, 08:26:21 pm
With luck a second hand JF Wilson steelie will be mine in a week or two for £300. Anyone got one? I've got alloy/carbon shizzle at the mo, but I have to say I prefered the ride of my old 501 frame. I think it's brilliant that a place like Wilsons is still around. Everyone should have a frame built for them there if they have the cash. It's like Saville Row for bikes.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 05, 2008, 09:37:02 pm
On the subject of bike maintenance I bought this book today in Outside, Hathersage. Its really good, used it to sort the rear derailleur on my wilier. Its probably got stuff in I'll never attempt, but with the photos etc it makes sorting those rattles out a touch easier.

http://www.acblack.com/Catalogue/details.asp?sku=1424257&dept%5Fid=11&mscssid=74NE6GL4CT7L9J1DJKF7R2PDD5QUEFUA (http://www.acblack.com/Catalogue/details.asp?sku=1424257&dept%5Fid=11&mscssid=74NE6GL4CT7L9J1DJKF7R2PDD5QUEFUA)
 

You should have said hello, I've just spent 3 days working in the rock room in Outside. I normally work in the office, but occaisonally I'll work busy weekends in the shop as well. Not that you would have had any idea who I was....

Glad to see everyone seems to share my long held opinion about JE James. Simply outrageously bad service. Its been a long, long time since I spent any money in there.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SheffyRoc on May 06, 2008, 12:31:05 am
Thanks, that place in Barnsley looks good, I'll try to make it there this week for a look about and a chat.

Re: Outside in Hathersage, I was there recently and I found the guy working there very helpful. He actually talked me out of buying the thing I'd intended to buy, and instead wrote down the name of some good shops in Kathmandu.  Kudos.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SheffyRoc on May 06, 2008, 01:33:42 am
Reading more of this thread, I love it too.  Had a good laugh at the comments about wives and wedding lists!  I'm very lucky the wife likes me having hobbies which keep me fairly fit, so she doesnt seem to mind me spending money on bikes and stuff.  :great:

Not so sure about the Saville Row bikes though.  Is there any point getting a bike which was made bespoke for someone else's build and posture?  Baron, you should tell your wife you need a proper bespoke one, because second hand bespoke defeats the whole purpose!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 06, 2008, 07:19:37 am
Ah ha, yes, you noticed the flaw in my logic. But I continue, Mr Wilson also has a number of 'off the peg' frames avaliable too, although to describe these as 'Top Man for bikes' would perhaps be to stretch an already tenuous analogy too far. But the best news is I don't have a wife and am therefore free to be as selfish as I please with my dosh, which isn't very at all as I never have any left after the first week of the month anyway.

http://www.wilsoncycles.co.uk/
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SheffyRoc on May 06, 2008, 08:31:33 am
But the best news is I don't have a wife and am therefore free to be as selfish as I please with my dosh

Ha! I used to think that, didn't want to give up my time and independence etc. But luckily I met a girl who respects me and my interests just as I do hers. She wouldn't dream of telling me what to spend my money on, and vice versa.  And having a double income is definitely a bonus (much more dosh, only one mortgage).  Having someone gorgeous about the place has its benefits too.  I don't think I've lost out at all.

As for kids, the best news is that I don't have any.  Yet.  Any opinions from the guys out there with kids and bikes? Have you put seats on the back? Gone out on the road with a couple of nippers on BMXs trailing behind?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SheffyRoc on May 06, 2008, 09:31:33 am
Shit, just realised that sounded judgemental as hell. Sorry Baron, it wasn't intended that way. I was just trying to extol the benefit of ladies who have their own life and their own income. Whereas you were probably just joking about.

Anyway.Since it's my morning off I might stop arsing about here and check out that Barnsley shop.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 06, 2008, 10:31:09 am
No problem. Indeed, twas only joshing. Having recently got myself a pseudo girlfriend I have to agree with the benefits your extolling. It is rather fun to have some one gorgeous about the place...

Anyway, check out this weather!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 06, 2008, 04:37:44 pm
Chatting to Joe and Alex at Bicicleta today, and turns out that they have a league for Froggatt hill times, so its not just climbers on road bikes who are into this type of silliness. Just to reiterate just how impressive Fatkids time up the hill is, he would be the current league leader by some way! I went up there this morning into a vile headwind which ground my enthusiasm down to nothing, and ended up with a meagre 17mins. Still, I reckon with good knees, no wind and no massive processions of trucks coming towards me, I might get under the 15 minute barrier before too much longer. Thinking ahead to more alpine asperations (maybe in the autumn) I think a more interesting target is up, down and up Froggatt hill in 40 minutes or less. This would mean 17 mins to go up and loop round the junction, 6 mins to descend and then another 17 minute effort to get back up to the top again. This would be a better/horrific test of climbing stamina as you will have to pace yourself. I could be more psyched for this as a training target.... Any takers?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 06, 2008, 04:48:28 pm
Percy, thats a good idea. I was thinking of ways to extend it on my way home on Saturday. Perhaps the run could continue past the give way sign, to the fox house, then down the hill towards Hathersage. Then up the first hill towards Burbage Bridge, to the cattle grid. Not sure how long it would take, but its a similar idea to yours with a down hill then back up.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 06, 2008, 04:53:08 pm
Chatting to Joe and Alex at Bicicleta today, and turns out that they have a league for Froggatt hill times, so its not just climbers on road bikes who are into this type of silliness.

Thought you were banned by the wife from this and all other bike related establishments. :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on May 06, 2008, 05:10:50 pm
percy you are a nutter! twice! I just nearly died going up that bastard, the wind at the top was the icing on the cake, had to lie down.
and yes fatkid's time is fucking storming! did just under 18minutes had to stop at the grouse! I suck at cycling!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 06, 2008, 05:47:16 pm
my time on this is 18 mins also  :'(

knees willing i'll have another crack at it soon!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 06, 2008, 06:07:09 pm
Bicicleta trip was justified by trying to sort my knee issues out - fallen arches being the latest suggestion for the cause! Fatkid, laps on Froggatt hill is the best way I've found of maximising the uphill with as short a time as possible between efforts. If you get to the top of Froggatt hill then ride over to Hathersage you'll have too much recovery time. Straight back down for a second go is the way forward (and often the second time can feel 'easier' than the first, bizarrely!). It's a nice long drag without too much gradient - there  are not too many climbs of its length or quality in the Peak...most of the others I can think of are steeper and shorter, or longer and easier. Its just a 'shame' the gradient eases after the Grouse, otherwise it would be a real killer!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Sloper on May 06, 2008, 06:25:27 pm
Percy, can you give me a shout as I've lost your mobile number.

I'm also getting your personal messages (although nothing too personal so far), you might want to sort it!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 06, 2008, 06:26:27 pm
The real challenge has got to be Sir William Hill Road up out of Grindleford to the top of Eyam Moor. I rode down this on Saturday. It's mean and very steep at the start. Time anyone? There's also a climb up from the A6 through the back of Sparrowpit. A friend of mine entered the national hill climb championships there in the late 1960's/early 70's on a fixed wheel. He finished top 30 I think. Still cycling now too, and still on a Wilson frame!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 06, 2008, 06:51:01 pm
...and Percy you might know him. It's the living legend from Grimsby, Pete Pounds.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 06, 2008, 07:03:27 pm
I'm off tomorrow as I have a night shift, so I'm off to try the Froggart Hill Challenge again. Weather looks good so should be a fast time. I prefer riding in hot weather. Does everyone else do the hill on the big ring???  That Sir William Hill Road, looks awful I've ridden down it, maybe I'll go up it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 06, 2008, 07:07:22 pm
I'm off tomorrow as I have a night shift, so I'm off to try the Froggart Hill Challenge again. Weather looks good so should be a fast time. I prefer riding in hot weather. Does everyone else do the hill on the big ring???  That Sir William Hill Road, looks awful I've ridden down it, maybe I'll go up it tomorrow.

no i bloody dont!!

big ring until past the turn after chequers.... into little ring, 4 sprokets left..... go down again just before rise to grouse..... go up 2 after that, hit end.... die

*note to self, avoid the new uber fit fatkid's rides until able to kill him DH on an MTB*
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 06, 2008, 07:12:39 pm
Oh another question - When I was riding back to Sheffield on Saturday I rode with a few guys from Sheffrec cc. All 4 of then were riding without gloves or mitts. I know you get better bike control without mitts but after about 2 miles my hands feel like they will die from road vibration. Is it common not to wear mitts or am I just a wet??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 06, 2008, 07:41:24 pm
Oh yes, I've met Mr Pounds several times. Didn't know he liked to ride bicycles up hills too. They're all at it!

Fatkid - i wear mitts, even when its hot as otherwise my arms get really stiff after a lot of miles. The vibration just kills them! They are essential kit if you ride on the drops a lot too (like on a track bike) as otherwise the pressure of the bars on your hands can press on the nerves and make your fingers numb for a very long time. (I once had to drive back from the velodrome in Manchester with a completely useless left hand due to this which made the snake pass quite interesting!)

As to doing F hill in the big ring - your knees must hate you! When you say big ring, I would hope you mean the big ring on your compact and not a proper 53 ring..... I will be out tomorrow morning for a quick GENTLE hour or so if you want to meet up. Weather looks bueno, and no wind which is a nice change from this morning
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 06, 2008, 08:23:59 pm
Confirmed the following. It was the mid 1960's and he was 16. He had to ride against the seniors because a race for juniors hadn't been invented. Venga Tonto!!

I find the thought of Froggatt on the big ring alarming. Watch your knees chaps. Remember, spin to win!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on May 06, 2008, 09:00:38 pm
Is it common not to wear mitts or am I just a wet??

I'm sure this was more a misplaced sense of lighter = faster.  I wager they had shaven heads, back, sack and crack too.   ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 06, 2008, 09:01:31 pm
Yeah its the big ring on the compact. My knees are in fine form. Although I'm thinking of changing the Wilier's compact to a standard double ring with carbon cranks. Only thinking about it as I need the compact on some of the steep stuff.

The mitts issue was just out of interest as I've always worn mitts and all kinds of layer systems in winter. I can't ride more than about five miles without mitts, but these chaps had done 50 miles or so and when I asked they seemed to think I was asking some kind of stupid question!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 06, 2008, 10:19:52 pm
i use thin spesh summer full finger gloves all year round, in winter add lobster assos over gloves. my years of mtb make me insist on full fingers, in addition i have the ones with 3 large soft gel pads in... much better than the mitts i first got (assos!) for stopping sore hands

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on May 06, 2008, 10:47:23 pm
big ring! not a chance!
having said that on my old bike(the deathtrap), when i was commuting to the northern from crookes everyday the gears got to such a shit state that only the big ring worked and I soon got used to it. I generally prefer to mash a big gear.
as for no gloves !
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 07, 2008, 08:48:13 am
riding with out mitts is similar to building a tolerance in your crutch.the more you ride the easier it gets.a lot of guys tend just to wear them to race in or on long hilly rides.
if you were in a road race on froggatt hill,you'd be in the 53 or out the back.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 07, 2008, 09:38:17 am
Maybe you'd stay in the 53 - if you were in a 1st cat or an elite road race! Averaging more than 15 mph up there in the big ring  is an effort worthy of this standard of rider - otherwise the majority of Sheffield roadies should give up now! I like to mash a big gear, but there are very few riders who will stay in the big ring on long climbs (more than 3 or 4 kms) at any level (most alpine cols in the tour only average out at between 6 and 9% and you don't see many riders in the big ring on them!). Jan Ullrich liked to grind huge gears on climbs and he never got near 'spinners' like Armstrong on long climbs.... Admitedly Froggatt hill is very short by these standards, but you have to be a total wad to ride up it in the 53 without needing an oxygen cyclinder at the top. It maybe a more feasible option when riding in a group in a race, but not when you're out for a training ride (or in a 3rd/4th cat race, for that matter) and want to continue with you're ride when you get to the top!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 07, 2008, 10:49:29 am
i think you would find that in a 3/4 cat race the guys who are racing to win as opposed to just making up the numbers will go just as hard up the hills as in a 1st cat race.its the overall speed that tends to be lower as a difference between the different cats.lower cat racing tends to be attack then ease off then someone else has ago and so on.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 07, 2008, 12:31:50 pm
Tim isn't the Fred Whitton this weekend?? Feeling fit? Hardknott apparently is the steepest bit of tarmac in Europe and the descent on the other side needs real attention. Good luck. Are you raising cash for a charity??

I've just been over Winnat's, then back home through Edale. The new wheelset really has made a difference.

As for the Froggart challenge - I'm going to do a study. Day one ride it in the big ring. Day two ride in small ring, and see which is quicker. Hopefully days with similar weather. Then I'll know.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 07, 2008, 12:41:04 pm
Hardknott apparently is the steepest bit of tarmac in Europe /quote]

isn't rosedale chimney on the north york moors the same gradient 1 in 3.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 07, 2008, 01:23:53 pm
How did you find Winatts, Fatkid? I would hope you cruised to victory without stopping! Quite windy out there today on the tops, I thought...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 07, 2008, 01:54:36 pm
Tim isn't the Fred Whitton this weekend?? Feeling fit? Hardknott apparently is the steepest bit of tarmac in Europe and the descent on the other side needs real attention. Good luck. Are you raising cash for a charity??


Yup, Whitton is on Sunday. I'm happy enough that I'll get round, its just the time and the state that I'll be in thats to be determined.

I rode the Lakeland Loop Sportive a few weekends ago, and that includes Hardknott and Wrynose, but its only 115km, not 175km. Stayed on the bike on them then, but might be a different matter after 160km! Feeling reasonably fit (Winnats Pass without standing up on 34-25 and a Froggatt Hill PB recently), but 8 hours plus in the saddle and 175km is going to be distinctly hard work I reckon.

I have a 12-27 thats going on the bike tonight....

The Fred Whitton is for charity, but my contribution is merely my entrance fee and an extra donation I'm afraid.

I am really looking forward to it, but I'm slightly nervous at the same time.

And to cap it all, Sunday is my birthday too, but I suspect I'll be falling asleep in my beer on Sunday night.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cofe on May 07, 2008, 02:15:19 pm
good luck with it timmy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 07, 2008, 02:18:52 pm
Got up Winnatt's fine. Managed it in one go then looped round to Edale. The hill up from Edale looks pretty harsh. Think its got a 18% section according to the computer. It was pretty windy, especially going up to Burbage Bridge from Hathersage.

Good luck on Sunday Tim.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 07, 2008, 02:27:29 pm
Hardknott apparently is the steepest bit of tarmac in Europe /quote]

isn't rosedale chimney on the north york moors the same gradient 1 in 3.

Just found these.

http://www.bikereader.com/contributors/Ainsley/hills.html (http://www.bikereader.com/contributors/Ainsley/hills.html)

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/105618 (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/105618)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 07, 2008, 02:43:11 pm
Thanks for the thoughts gents.

I'll let you know how I get on.... :'(

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 07, 2008, 04:33:50 pm
Thanks for the thoughts gents.

I'll let you know how I get on.... :'(

Tim

good luck mate, take it steady
 :bow:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 08, 2008, 01:04:48 pm
*shock news*

Dolly has actually ridden the new Ti bike he was so porud of purchasing!!!

It's only taken him 3 months!

Now that is the worst case of *i'm not getting it wet / muddy* etc... i've ever seen!!




rather nice bike though, i admit
 ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 08, 2008, 02:29:25 pm
Which Ti bike did he buy?? Lynskey???   I thought the whole point of Ti was that it was weatherproof etc 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on May 08, 2008, 04:26:30 pm
Its a Bianchi frame with Ultegra on it and some Mavic summat wheels.

http://www.slanecycles.co.uk/productdetail.aspx?id=1412&subid=373&catid=72
is a piccie of it

The not getting it wet thing is more to do with aesthetics and laziness than anything else TBH and..... I just haven't been riding that much.

I have to say it goes like a fookin rocket though. I couldn't believe how fast and light  it was, even compared to the carbon frame with bits of ultegra and Dura Ace I'd been riding. I'm off to Italy in a couple of weeks for a week of roadiness so am now very excited indeed
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on May 08, 2008, 04:27:20 pm
I didn't pay that much for it either ....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 08, 2008, 05:01:15 pm
Its a Bianchi frame with Ultegra on it and some Mavic summat wheels.

http://www.slanecycles.co.uk/productdetail.aspx?id=1412&subid=373&catid=72
is a piccie of it

The not getting it wet thing is more to do with aesthetics and laziness than anything else TBH and..... I just haven't been riding that much.

I have to say it goes like a fookin rocket though. I couldn't believe how fast and light  it was, even compared to the carbon frame with bits of ultegra and Dura Ace I'd been riding. I'm off to Italy in a couple of weeks for a week of roadiness so am now very excited indeed


you're close to -ve karma for not knowing what bling you've spent all that cash on, i saw in the dark last night and even i noticed the mavic krysium elite hoops....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 08, 2008, 08:22:41 pm
My wilier rear derailleur (campag) keeps slipping. When I put loads of pressure/ power through the pedal the chain slips into a smaller cog gear. It also does seem to shift properly when out on the road. When I change gear the chain does not run properly on the selected gear. At home in the garage it seems fine, and try as I might I can't fix it. Its really pissing me off. Any ideas - could it be the derailleur is bent or need replacement? The back cassette is new as is the chain (SRAM).

Thanks for any suggestions.

Fatdoc: I'm off next weekend, working this one - was thinking at having a gander at the Marin's at Stans then.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 08, 2008, 08:31:14 pm
i'm IN for hot dusty trail fun.... dont know which day yet, so many off sick!!!!

i'll get back to you... book the demo bike NOW, as sales usually rocket at this time of year!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 08, 2008, 08:37:51 pm
Sounds like the Northern fatdoc - sunshine skivving - bunch of slackers. I've got the lowest number of sick days as a trainee and I'm sodding leaving. I've had zero days off since I started there.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 08, 2008, 08:53:24 pm
My wilier rear derailleur (campag) keeps slipping. When I put loads of pressure/ power through the pedal the chain slips into a smaller cog gear. It also does seem to shift properly when out on the road. When I change gear the chain does not run properly on the selected gear. At home in the garage it seems fine, and try as I might I can't fix it. Its really pissing me off. Any ideas - could it be the derailleur is bent or need replacement? The back cassette is new as is the chain (SRAM).

Thanks for any suggestions.


One possibility is that the deraileur is a bit stiff, ie. its not wrapping the chain round the cogs as fully as it should be allowing the chain to slip down a gear. Lube the pivot points, especially the one by the top jockey wheel.

Are the gears indexed 100 percent? With shimano you simply put the shifter in the position for the smallest but one gear, and then twist the barrel adjuster until the chain is trying to climb onto the 3rd smallest gear, then back off the adjuster until there is no chatter. Dead simple and works every time. Unfortunately I don't know if that works for Campag.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 09, 2008, 08:47:16 am
Tim, I've tried the above you suggested. The campag system works differently. I've lubed the pivot points. The indexing is different to shimano but I've adjusted it and it runs fine when at home. It slips when pedalling up hill, when I put some extra power through the pedals. Maybe its time for that nice shiney record drive system. P.s Don't tell the wife!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 09, 2008, 09:11:02 am
is your chain compatible with your cassete.i know you said they are both new but if you hadn't i would have thought you were running a new chain on an old cassete.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 09, 2008, 12:38:40 pm
is your chain compatible with your cassete.i know you said they are both new but if you hadn't i would have thought you were running a new chain on an old cassete.

I'm running a SRAM chain which is new. According to my books and SRAMs website is campag compatible. I've run SRAM chains before on campag kit with no problems. The weird thing is that it runs fine in certain gears (not always the same ones) then when I change gears there is loads of chatter, or when it seems to be running fine it suddenly slips, when I accelerate into a lower cog. Very odd - maybe I'll have to pedal more gently.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 09, 2008, 01:40:52 pm
as i said above thats like new chain/old cassette.have you bent your rear mech or have the springs in it gone.when you push it to one side does it spring back into postion.
another thought have you got a stiff link in your chain,maybe where you joined it to gether.a stiff link will cause it to jump under pressure.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on May 09, 2008, 02:27:40 pm
It may be worth just checking that the cassette lockring is tightened up sufficiently. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 12, 2008, 02:07:29 pm
as i said above thats like new chain/old cassette.have you bent your rear mech or have the springs in it gone.when you push it to one side does it spring back into postion.
another thought have you got a stiff link in your chain,maybe where you joined it to gether.a stiff link will cause it to jump under pressure.
It may be worth just checking that the cassette lockring is tightened up sufficiently. Just a thought.

Well I had a good fiddle, but it still isn't right. So the bike is off to the bike hospital tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestions.

Tim, did you survive that small ride around the Lakes at weekend??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 12, 2008, 07:35:40 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/DSC_0031-1.jpg)

watch it evolve. some quality BMX and MTB parts added. stem by Flybikes, bars by Fireeye. wheels next. then...frame powdered and baked.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on May 12, 2008, 08:05:54 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/DSC_0031-1.jpg)

watch it evolve. some quality BMX and MTB parts added. stem by Flybikes, bars by Fireeye. wheels next. then...frame powdered and baked.

It's like the Frankenstein of bicycles!  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on May 12, 2008, 08:22:31 pm
Aye, nice steed Chappers. 


A clothes peg and an ace of spades on the rear spokes and she be fit for the road!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 12, 2008, 10:05:11 pm
Tim, did you survive that small ride around the Lakes at weekend??

Aye, it was a pleasant pootle round a nice part of the world....

It was great actually. Really warm and sunny, and no wind. I think that some people were suffering a bit in the heat, but it suits me.

I got round in 7.36, which I'm really pleased with - I thought sub 8 was the best I could possibly hope for. 227th out of 850 starters (150 people didn't turn up).

The first 100km were super quick - an average of 27kph! Our tactics worked really well as we were hoping to get caught by one of the fast groups for the drag down the A66 to Keswick, and so it happened. I was in a very large group getting dragged along at 40-60kph down the main road. Quite scary in a group that large and fast. Needless to say they dropped me on Honister Pass.

I did walk a bit of Hardknott, cramp in my calves and general fatigue, which was a shame, but overall it was a great day - lots of spectators and support. Sounds like a few horrible crashes as well though.

We ended the day with a few bottles of wine an a birthday meal in the Glasshouse in Ambleside.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 13, 2008, 11:52:47 am
 :bow:


 :beer2:



awesome, truly awesome
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 13, 2008, 01:04:05 pm
Well done Tim. And to drink a few bottles of wine after is impressive. I would have managed about one glass and then been on the floor but I am an official lightweight.

Fatdoc: I rode a medium Wolf Ridge at Stan's this morning - felt small on the road, but fine off road. It seems a nice bke.
           I'm trying the Mount Vision on Fri or Saturday, think I may prefer this as I think I'll want more of XC bike.

I managed to get the Wolf Ridge up some pretty steep rough stuff, but think I need some cleats to get the most out of the bike.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 13, 2008, 06:49:40 pm
av speed on vision higher....

max speed highest on wolf.... oh yeah baby!  just wind the suspension in all the way on the ups, you get there in the end.

i agree, i ride with the supplied clipless pedals...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 13, 2008, 09:14:34 pm
Fatdoc: Andrew at Stan's told me the wolf is built up more than the Attack. Is the Attack worth the extra cash, plus its abit lighter as apparently itsn't as heavily built as the Wolf. Bearing in mind you changed your front fork due to breakage to the same as the Attack. The Medium felt small as far as reach went out front, but I presume I will want the reach to be fairly compact when off road. Stan's have s large Attack which I can try on Friday as well.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 14, 2008, 08:26:35 am
Attack lighter indeed, still 140mm front and aft...

the sizing is  a mare, i buy my bikes small. very small.

bit off topic but here's fatdocs thoughts on mtb sizing...

what i suggest for this bike range (140 mm travel marin all mtn range) is:

you dont want the lowest saddle position you use (saddle down for DH ) to be all the way into the seat tube, i have about 10 to 12 cm still out. my feet are near flat on the floor with this saddle height.

The saddle height adjustment is so vast that you can rack up the saddle to get roadie type leg extension no worries for the hills / road. when on the road the bike then feels cramped, really cramped. esp with the the forks down and locked. so what, it's a MTB, you get better performance this way. i bet you can do this on both frame sizes.... if you bang your knees on the bars on the medium in *road* mode it's too small


if you dont then it's down to reach, there is BIG difference in the head tube length from medium to small and even more so for the large. this was the deciding factor in me getting a small.

with the forks long and soft and the saddle down and the propedal OFF you need to be able to get your arse of the bike, totally off behind the bike frame, bollocks past the top of the rear wheel. if you cant move about this far you'll not get as much out of the bike as it's got.

there, simple eh?


regarding travel....

IAOTO that more travel is better esp in the peaks, rocky natural trails.... cool!

racing / fast XC loops and big rides.... 24 hr endurance events, trailquesting, coast to coast etc.... probably with some serious lyrca..... that's whytes and visions...

Or...

more relaxed group rides, text / forum organised, baggies, odd splash of leg armour, those all MTN type of helmets, ground effect clothing, clipless pedals with platforms, fucking fast descenders - often go to alps in summer and / or own a bigger Bike, still competative on the ups, but wait for their mates - to then seriously take the piss for being slow on the ups... mid week evening rides near always end at a pub..


that's what most mtbers i know do, think enduros, 140mm marins, orange 5s....


it's more fun to be more sprung!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 14, 2008, 11:08:57 am
more relaxed group rides, text / forum organised, baggies, odd splash of leg armour, those all MTN type of helmets, ground effect clothing, clipless pedals with platforms, fucking fast descenders - often go to alps in summer and / or own a bigger Bike, still competative on the ups, but wait for their mates - to then seriously take the piss for being slow on the ups... mid week evening rides near always end at a pub..

I'm not sure I can do this relaxed ride thing. When I rode the Wolf up hill near Matlock yesterday I was pushing as hard as I do on the road bike and covered in just as much sweat. Faster = Bettter - I can't do slow that much!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 14, 2008, 11:26:37 am
you will when you're bleeding  ;)

all further discussion on this best served on the MTB thread matey...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 14, 2008, 07:14:09 pm
Tim, Just saw some pic of Hardknott pass on TV, that looks one hardcore hill with mean looking switch - backs / hairpins!! Makes Winnats looking pretty tame.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 15, 2008, 09:32:13 am
You're not wrong - it is 2km of steepness that makes Winnats or Curbar Gap seem like a walk in the (flat) park.

I had ridden the Lakeland Loop a few weeks previously which goes over Hardknott and Wrynose and managed them on a 34-25, but this time a 34-27 wasn't enough to avoid cramp in my calfs so I had to walk for a bit. The roads are in a really bad state which doesn't help.

Honister and Newlands Passes are really good climbs as well.

The descents are pretty scary too; I saw 75kph on my clock and I had the brakes on most of the time. I lost a lot of time on the downhills unfortunately - too much imagination I reckon!

I'd be on for a trip to the Lakes one weekend to go and ride them again.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on May 15, 2008, 05:15:47 pm
Heads up road gurus: with all allowances for the varying lengths of pieces of string what constitutes a decent time for the Froggatt Hill?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 15, 2008, 06:31:49 pm
15 minutes is the benchmark for being a wad. Anything under 20 minutes is respectable. More than 20 minutes and you'll probably be riding a mountain bike ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 15, 2008, 06:36:18 pm
Oh yes, this assumes that you start the clock at the give way lines at the bottom of the hill and stop it at the give way lines at the top. I didn't know you could ride a bicycle, Joe..... you're full of suprises! ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 15, 2008, 06:38:16 pm
I rode it again today and managed 13 mins 50. Slower than last time, but no pacers to aim at.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 15, 2008, 06:44:27 pm
The inevitable comparison, or not. Froggatt in 15mins and sport 8a? Discuss, or not.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on May 15, 2008, 06:48:50 pm
Birkby says froggatt under 12:30 would be equivalent of 8a

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 15, 2008, 06:52:50 pm
12:30 is seriously fast - the bench mark for most Sheffield roadies is 15 mins unless you're heading towards Cat 1 or Malc Elliott kind of speed.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on May 15, 2008, 07:02:57 pm
pacers help alot. (I'm not detracting from your time! that is beastly!) I had 2 mins difference between times last sunday and wednesday, due to lo lack of friendly competition, a clock on my bike, and a headwind of doom!
anyway, what does anyone recommend for a bike computer?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on May 15, 2008, 07:07:10 pm
Ok, thanks for the views. Sub 20 min = respectable, and I should aim for 15 for waddage cool the work starts here.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 15, 2008, 07:42:15 pm
15 mins = 8a?  Maybe, although it would not be an 8a on Kalymnos (that would be 20 mins). Birkby can have his 8a tick when he's ridden Froggatt in 12.30 - does shaving your swede help even more than shaving your legs then?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Shy Yorkshireman on May 15, 2008, 08:26:18 pm
Under 20 stopping for a tab and quick half at the grouse is not bad. Under 15 is not like climbing 8a! maybes 7c. Oh and are we talking rolling start at the give way line? Take it that is the bottom of the hill! Proper 8a's are nails. any monkey who puts in a bit of EFFORT can get up that in 15. That my two peneth any road.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on May 16, 2008, 09:32:47 am
Just wanted to add that if you took up climbing there is no way you would climb 8a in your first year/ first few months, but with a bit of training i reckon most people would get a good time on said hill. how many people climb 8a or even 7c in their first year climbing? Anyone know what the record for the Curbar gap is?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Shy Yorkshireman on May 16, 2008, 09:36:52 am
Sorry posting under jfw's log in. She's right though!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: reeve on May 16, 2008, 09:43:30 am
Have to say that Curbar Gap is the only local hill worthy of interest!?  Froggatt is almost as tedious as surprise view but a nice surface for descending on for the main event non?

Sub 5 minute Curbar Gap anyone?  Stationary start from leaning on the sign to get cleats in...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Shy Yorkshireman on May 16, 2008, 09:47:11 am
I reckon i'll give you the 8a tick for a sub 5 on the curbar. Does it finish at the car park?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 16, 2008, 09:56:34 am
I'll give you more than 8a for 5 mins up there. You'd have to average 24kph, over 2km and 200m height gain. That sort of average would give you a sub 15 on Froggatt too.

8b+ I say....

Somebody go and fetch the Dave Macloed of road biking.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 16, 2008, 01:48:46 pm
Under 20 stopping for a tab and quick half at the grouse is not bad. Under 15 is not like climbing 8a! maybes 7c. Oh and are we talking rolling start at the give way line? Take it that is the bottom of the hill! Proper 8a's are nails. any monkey who puts in a bit of EFFORT can get up that in 15. That my two peneth any road.

you're either a shite sportclimber or an awesome roadie  ;)

 
Have to say that Curbar Gap is the only local hill worthy of interest!?  Froggatt is almost as tedious as surprise view but a nice surface for descending on for the main event non?

Sub 5 minute Curbar Gap anyone?  Stationary start from leaning on the sign to get cleats in...

you're deluded, insane or on serious doses of performance enhancing drugs
 ::)


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Shy Yorkshireman on May 16, 2008, 02:49:00 pm
you're either a shite sportclimber or an awesome roadie 

I am neither! Just a realist! Sorry!

Ok mask's off i'm a shite sports climber!

The winner of last years curbar gap student thing Matt Clinton 5.43.78.

 No disrespect to mr Clinton but i'm guessing he's not a mega wad or a full time cyclist if a pro went up it or even top british pro, god only knows how quick it would be.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 16, 2008, 03:09:59 pm
Fairplay to him. If that is from the very bottom to the carpark at the top then that is phenomenally quick in my humble opinion. I bet his heart rate made for interesting viewing!

I still think that sub 5 minutes would be a bit harder than 8a. But I can't do either so that's only a guess.... :shrug:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 16, 2008, 03:21:28 pm
I'm going to have to time myself up Curbar Gap. I've never timed myself before up it, but I now know the bench mark.

There seems to be alot of talk about the Froggart Hill time etc. Its a well known hill in cycling circles, as a hill to test ones fitness against. My cousin used to race the premier calendar and trained in the Peak and used Froggart Hill to get an idea of his overal fitness, usually at around the 50 mile mark in a training ride. I agree its not that steep but its constant and it may be tedious but most hills are.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Shy Yorkshireman on May 16, 2008, 03:29:36 pm
And how long did it used to take him after 50 miles?

How about 8a and a sub 15 on the way home!

A pint to the winner!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 16, 2008, 06:39:38 pm

The winner of last years curbar gap student thing Matt Clinton 5.43.78.

 No disrespect to mr Clinton but i'm guessing he's not a mega wad or a full time cyclist if a pro went up it or even top british pro, god only knows how quick it would be.


that said, this man needs no introduction:

Gethin Butler  05:59.2  (i know gethin, and obviously he does not compete anymore, but he is still mega fit and has turned himself into a top quality runner. i know little of the people on this forum (and no disrespect), but i doubt any one could beat him on any distance on a bike).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 16, 2008, 06:42:04 pm
And how long did it used to take him after 50 miles?

Got no idea, but he used to kick my arse up almost any hill. I'm sure he said he did it under 13 mins though - but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 16, 2008, 06:57:43 pm
Vital piece of equipment if you are lover of la bicicletta's approach to bike building.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-look-new-park-tools-16393?img=2 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-look-new-park-tools-16393?img=2)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 17, 2008, 08:54:48 pm
And how long did it used to take him after 50 miles?

Got no idea, but he used to kick my arse up almost any hill. I'm sure he said he did it under 13 mins though - but I could be wrong.

that will be VERY fast then, as in the recent past you'd have won a sportive.... if you had'nt got lost!!

and hill climbing is your best strength IMO...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 18, 2008, 05:15:17 pm
For the next sportive I'm considering buying one of those Garmin 705s, and putting the route into it. I don't usually get lost but I kind of drift off into abit of a dream on the bike.

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that will be VERY fast then, as in the recent past you'd have won a sportive.... if you had'nt got lost!!

and hill climbing is your best strength IMO...
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I really don't think I've got the fitness to win a sportive - cheers for the complement though. Although I agree that hills are my strength.

Rode a Wilier Cento yesterday - oh my god it was fast - Shame it would cost £4K ish.

http://www.wilierbikes.co.uk/index.php?itemID=08centorecord&imgID=1&mcID=5 (http://www.wilierbikes.co.uk/index.php?itemID=08centorecord&imgID=1&mcID=5)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 19, 2008, 07:32:21 pm
Have any of you NHS types used the 'Bike to Work' scheme to buy a bike, or know if any of the Sheffield hospitals are running it?

Kim (my wife) asked about it in Rotherham today and was told that they'd looked into a few years ago it and decided it wasn't fair so they weren't going to do it. Apparently they may look into it again. :-\

Cheers

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 19, 2008, 11:55:21 pm
Have any of you NHS types used the 'Bike to Work' scheme to buy a bike, or know if any of the Sheffield hospitals are running it?

Kim (my wife) asked about it in Rotherham today and was told that they'd looked into a few years ago it and decided it wasn't fair so they weren't going to do it. Apparently they may look into it again. :-\


I've never heard of any one using the scheme, but I have heard of a group called spokes. I expect most trusts will tell you where to go, but have a look at their website, linked below. Let us know how you get on, as I'd be interested to see if I could blag something out of my new employer.

http://www.networks.nhs.uk/networks/page/368 (http://www.networks.nhs.uk/networks/page/368)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on May 20, 2008, 12:09:53 am
the northern doesn't. i wrote a snotty letter saying shouldn't we be trying to show an example to the general public, etc. anyway i got no reply. typical nhs hr style...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 20, 2008, 09:56:00 am
Sounds about right. For the sake of a couple of hundred quid saving Kim will buy a cheap commuting bike anyway, but surely it is the lower paid staff who are really losing out - the very people the scheme is aimed at.

I'm sure that the mountain bike websites have people employed by the NHS who have used the bike to work scheme.

Thanks for the SPOKES thing, I'll have a look.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 20, 2008, 10:08:45 am
I work for the council and attempted to access said scheme last year. There was a mix up. Thought I was getting my bike for £410. Ended up paying full whack at £850. Ouch.

Having said that, the council do offer a £400 interest free loan to buy a bike with. Might be worth checking out.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 20, 2008, 01:49:27 pm
depends which council...up here in lancs they dish out £1000 interest free loans and were very helpfull in the process too. i dont even notice the payments in my pay cheque.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on May 20, 2008, 01:58:03 pm
Are these loans for the council for employees of the council, or the general public?

I'm confused as the original question was about purchasing under the Bike to Work for people working at the NHS.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 20, 2008, 02:01:45 pm
oh yeah, you have to work for them! sorry should have made that clear (i work in one of their schools, maybe they do it for hospital employees??)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on May 20, 2008, 03:35:42 pm
depends which council...up here in lancs they dish out £1000 interest free loans and were very helpfull in the process too. i dont even notice the payments in my pay cheque.

Nice one, can I borrow £50 a month for the next 20 months?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on May 20, 2008, 09:06:04 pm
If you had a top five list as to who makes the best carbon frames, who would be on it? (road bikes only)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 20, 2008, 09:11:52 pm
Dunno how you quantify best, But I'd like:

Storck
Cervelo
Parlee

Probably in that order  - but I haven't ridden any of them, I'm just going on looks and reviews.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on May 20, 2008, 09:11:54 pm
If you had a top five list as to who makes the best carbon frames, who would be on it? (road bikes only)

Strangely enough I asked a man in a bicycle shop a similar question today, except I was asking about road frames in general, not just carbon. His reply was that it depends how much you have to spend and what level of performance you want. So if you want regular rides, are not a world-class cyclist or triathlete, and have £1000 to spend, blow it on a Giant model, not a bottom-of-the-range frame with a posher label.

If you have over £1000 to spend and are a good enough cyclist to want something better, my guess is that you wouldn't be asking for advice here  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 20, 2008, 09:15:09 pm
If you had a top five list as to who makes the best carbon frames, who would be on it? (road bikes only)

This will create a huge debate. Cycling weekly recently voted the Cervelo R3SL their road bike of the year. I'd certainly look at one for my next bike. I'm sure there is probably little difference between the frames at the top of the market, but it certainly can cause alot of debate.
The frames I like the look of are:

Cervelo
Wilier
Orbea
Storck
De Rosa
Pinarello
Specialized
Colonago
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 20, 2008, 10:10:59 pm
I'd have the Soloist R3 personally...

Quite like the Wilier Cento, though it don't think it's particularly beautiful.

Wouldn't mine a Litespeed Archon. My current ride is a Tuscany, and it's very nice thanks.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on May 20, 2008, 10:24:56 pm
I watched a great program on the Specialized RR team here in the Reich few days ago.  Covered everything from the fat team-chef to the handmade C-bikes to training to med-checks and the races themselves.  It was a good program.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on May 20, 2008, 11:16:44 pm
what about titanium?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on May 20, 2008, 11:24:34 pm
Litespeed make some superb titanium bikes which are almost affordable, not tried out any other makes yet (primarily because they're out of my price range and to do so would be potentially upsetting for my bank manager)

What are you looking for anyway?  Something specific?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on May 20, 2008, 11:53:56 pm
I will replace my current bikes with a new one this summer, so I'm casting around for ideas. I'm not in any hurry though, need to save up a bit more cash.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on May 21, 2008, 12:02:46 am
Good idea to keep an eye out if you're not desperate for a new bike yet, as this year's models might go down in price towards the end of the summer. That's what I'm sort of hoping for anyway.

It's getting dangerous shopping about for bikes though, as it's far too easy to have a particular bike and budget in mind, then completely change your mind when you get a feel of the lovely things which are out there.  Posibly on account of my female gender, I was almost seduced by a rather nice bike recently, on account of its pretty colour. I saved myself an expensive mistake because they only had it in a frame size slightly too large for me.

My current thinking is to maybe get a superb frameset once next year's models come in and this year's get reduced, and kit it out with lots of nice stuff. I'm looking for a bike which will do for tri as well as road, so also having to make decisions on that account.  I'm crap at decisions.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 21, 2008, 07:39:39 am
I'd have the Soloist R3 personally...

Quite like the Wilier Cento, though it don't think it's particularly beautiful.

Wouldn't mine a Litespeed Archon. My current ride is a Tuscany, and it's very nice thanks.

I've ridden a R3 SL, and the SLC-SL. Both are great bikes, but I think unless you're going to ride cobbles I'd go for the SLC-SL. Although with the roads in there current condition this may need factoring inThe Wilier Cento is also a nice ride - I preferred it to the Cervelo's but I think that was due to the wheel set up. Personally I think its a better looking bike than the Cervelo's.

what about titanium?


Trust this one to come up. I ride Ti in the winter - A Sunday September - Its built like a brick shit house, takes mud guards and isn't that heavy considering. I prefer carbon though - its lighter, stiffer and doesn't flex as much.

The other thing to consider is the new groupsets coming out in the next year or so. Shimano's new Dura-Ace is production ready and has been seen at the Giro. Campag are fast developing the next Record set, and both companies are close to electronic shifting mechs. Then there's the SRAM red set - which according to a friend of mine is awesome.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 21, 2008, 09:44:04 am
planet x make a titanium bike that has just come out very well in tests, and is very affordable.

as for me, nicest looking carbon frames have to be made by De Rosa. i would love an idol.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 21, 2008, 09:50:21 am
on account of its pretty colour.

(http://www.planet-x-warehouse.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/p6290018.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 21, 2008, 11:02:31 am
I've got a 'cheapy' Planet X carbon SL which is a cracking bike (basically a Ridley frame rebranded as PlanetX, as far as I'm aware), and the other bike is the ultimate perversion for roadies. A full carbon Lightspeed - yes, I know, but it was a bargain and it rides amazingly. Very stiff and light, and accelarates like you've put a piece of root ginger up its arse! All the Lightspeed develotees will be tearing their hair out, asking why on earth I would want a carbon frame from a manufacturer who pretty much exclusively only make fine titanium bikes - the answer being I got a good deal, and the frame is a lot lighter than their equivalent priced ti frames. Piccy here http://www.litespeed.com/bikes/2006/road/pavia_.aspx
However, given unlimited budget etc, etc, I would love a Cervelo SLC-SL (probably with some nice Lightweight carbon wheels and the new Lightweight carbon rear mech for geek value - and cos it looks insane.... £400 for a rear mech, anybody?!?!?)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 21, 2008, 12:50:21 pm
Percy I thought the Planet X was going due to it trashing your knee.

Got to agree though that SLC-SL looks awesome, plus I'd go even quicker due to the flash bike syndrome. (Damm this wedding)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 21, 2008, 01:00:03 pm
For understated looks I think that the Storcks are hard to beat. The C1.1 + Fork deal is actually quite reasonable price wise (about the same as catering for 35 wedding guests......).

(http://www.storck-bicycle.de/mdb/img/data_farbe11.jpg)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on May 21, 2008, 01:03:05 pm
Does any bike manufacturer make anything in ceramic?

Seems a bizarre question, but C-fibre is quite old now and hey, Glock make great ceramic handguns.  Is it a material used on bikes at all?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 21, 2008, 01:21:31 pm
It used in bearings for hubs and wheels, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 23, 2008, 07:38:38 am
For all you Sheffield based roadies I've found some new killer hills - I expect most of you know these but boy were they steep. After work yesterday I went for a little ride around Bradfield and Langsett, there are some steep old hill round here. The road surface is awful in parts and some of the hills proper hard. The one that stands put goes towards Langsett reservoir called Mortimer Road, towards Upper Midhope its 1 in 4 and has a couple of switch backs in it. There are plenty of others to choose from, some are proper steeper. One good thing is that there isn't much traffic. You can get some really good training done round hill as the downhill sections aren't long enough to allow you to recover!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 23, 2008, 09:39:57 am
Yep, that hill is a bit of a bugger. The Phil and Friends Sportive in August starts off out that way, goes over Holme Moss back though Glossop to Edale, back up Winnats (at 90km), out to do the steep climb up to Monsal Head and then back to Sheffield via the A57. 150km and some climbing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 23, 2008, 10:47:11 am
Yep, that hill is a bit of a bugger. The Phil and Friends Sportive in August starts off out that way, goes over Holme Moss back though Glossop to Edale, back up Winnats (at 90km), out to do the steep climb up to Monsal Head and then back to Sheffield via the A57. 150km and some climbing.

That sounds fun. Or rather punishing depending on your view point
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on May 23, 2008, 12:24:12 pm
(http://www.planet-x-warehouse.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/p6290018.jpg)

Aaaaaaaaaah, that's so pretty!  :-*
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on May 25, 2008, 02:44:07 pm
Just been out for a hilarious short ride Sheff Ringinglow Hathersage Millstone hill Fox House Sheff. The wind is blowing a gilhoolie straight down the Burbage valley  and along the Surprise view straight;so strong that I was actually fpushing a higher gear up the Millstone Hill than along the straight. Happy Days.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on May 25, 2008, 02:54:13 pm
The planet x bikes do look good and seem to be reasonably priced. I called the company who've recommended I make a daytrip to their place in Doncaster. So I might do that when I have the time. Anyone here have any experience of Planet X, ie are the bikes any good? are the company helpful with repairs and things?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 25, 2008, 03:11:33 pm
Just been out for a hilarious short ride Sheff Ringinglow Hathersage Millstone hill Fox House Sheff. The wind is blowing a gilhoolie straight down the Burbage valley  and along the Surprise view straight;so strong that I was actually fpushing a higher gear up the Millstone Hill than along the straight. Happy Days.

i've just ridden top of totley to top of blakka on the road on an MTB, I swear normally I free wheel the last bit... this time i was in the 2nd ring at the front, and pedalling hard!!

sod climbing outside, I'm off onto my board!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 25, 2008, 05:53:16 pm
Planet X = nice guys. I have one of their Ultegra build SL pro carbon bikes and it is a lovely thing - by far the best value road bike you can get for the money anywhere in my opinion. As for the factory in Donny, its well worth paying a visit. Its a huge place thats desperate to find, tucked away in a delapidated industrial estate with no identification outside its tiny, shabby door to let you know what happens within.... Once inside though its like a tardis - loads of people beavering away building wheels, bikes, you name it, and more exotic bike parts on huge racks than you've ever seen! Defo worth arranging a tour, but don't forget you're credit card....its hard to escape without making a purchase as theres too many nice things to tempt you (you have been warned)! As mentioned before, Planet X bikes are often rebranded versions of other companies stuff. My bike has a frame made by Ridley (a very good Belgian brand) and I heard a rumour that the new Planet X Ti frames are rebranded Lynskey's (no bullshit!). Just don't tell Fatdoc this last fact - he'll be down there like a shot, plastic in hand.... ;)

On a different note, Alex and Joe at la Bicicleta spent a morning tweaking my position on my bike for me in an attempt to sort out my knee issues. Its a very un-nerving experience riding your bike clad in lycra on a turbo trainer in a darkened room , whilst 2 men lurk and mutter behind you..... It seems to have been worth it though as I already feel much more comfortable on the bike and have a much better position that allows me to spin the pedals at a much faster cadence instead of my previous 'grinders' position that was further over the back wheel. Fingers crossed my knees will start getting a bit better too.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 25, 2008, 06:05:14 pm
Just checked and it is a bespoke Lynskey frame that Planet X are now selling as their sportive Ti bike - a complete bike built up with full Dura ace groupset for £1599 apparently.......that is a complete bargain!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on May 25, 2008, 06:25:17 pm
Thanks Percy B
I'll have to make the journey up to Doncaster some time soon, the train goes direct from Kings X so was planning that but if the place is tucked away I might take the car instead.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 25, 2008, 06:49:39 pm
Car would be best - P X are nowhere near a station!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 25, 2008, 08:08:03 pm
Planet X = nice guys. I have one of their Ultegra build SL pro carbon bikes and it is a lovely thing - by far the best value road bike you can get for the money anywhere in my opinion. As for the factory in Donny, its well worth paying a visit. Its a huge place thats desperate to find, tucked away in a delapidated industrial estate with no identification outside its tiny, shabby door to let you know what happens within.... Once inside though its like a tardis - loads of people beavering away building wheels, bikes, you name it, and more exotic bike parts on huge racks than you've ever seen! Defo worth arranging a tour, but don't forget you're credit card....its hard to escape without making a purchase as theres too many nice things to tempt you (you have been warned)! As mentioned before, Planet X bikes are often rebranded versions of other companies stuff. My bike has a frame made by Ridley (a very good Belgian brand) and I heard a rumour that the new Planet X Ti frames are rebranded Lynskey's (no bullshit!). Just don't tell Fatdoc this last fact - he'll be down there like a shot, plastic in hand.... ;)

On a different note, Alex and Joe at la Bicicleta spent a morning tweaking my position on my bike for me in an attempt to sort out my knee issues. Its a very un-nerving experience riding your bike clad in lycra on a turbo trainer in a darkened room , whilst 2 men lurk and mutter behind you..... It seems to have been worth it though as I already feel much more comfortable on the bike and have a much better position that allows me to spin the pedals at a much faster cadence instead of my previous 'grinders' position that was further over the back wheel. Fingers crossed my knees will start getting a bit better too.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 25, 2008, 08:08:55 pm
oh my God....

which one do I have to be more scared of??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 26, 2008, 06:01:01 am
Did Joe and Alex let your Planet-X in their shop with all the bling it contains?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 26, 2008, 09:54:16 am
No, the Planet X stayed in my garage - the boys did the bike fit thing to my Lightspeed. Once the position on this bike is perfect for me, they pop it onto their copying jig and measure all the key points, and then they can put the P X and my track bike on the same jig and copy the dimensions from my Lightspeed exactly. Its all clever stuff, and possibly the best £30 i've spent in a good while.

Due to the tweaks to my Lightspeed, I have swapped onto a much longer stem, but also took the oportunity to swap my bars from some horrible 'ergonomic' Ritchey things to a lovely set of Zipp bars..... :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 26, 2008, 03:22:11 pm
Due to the tweaks to my Lightspeed, I have swapped onto a much longer stem, but also took the oportunity to swap my bars from some horrible 'ergonomic' Ritchey things to a lovely set of Zipp bars..... :whistle:

Sounds like you have caught fatdoc's credit card using infection!!! Zipp bars - did they weigh them and make you feel obliged to buy the lightest ones they stocked.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 26, 2008, 05:16:30 pm
yes
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 26, 2008, 05:28:14 pm
yes

b'tards.... ;D

you lot ridden this weekend?

I've been out on mtb, keeping to the cover of the woods to keep out of the wind  ;D

Also been on paternal belaying duties at burb north, was a full on gale out there!! Just the weather to be learning to lead in  :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 26, 2008, 06:03:45 pm
I had good intentions of doing a long road ride, but never seemed to get round to it. Beat my pb for the round trip to work on Thursday though.

Mountain biked round Chatsworth/youlgreave/Bakewell on Saturday and just got back from Wharncliffe for a couple hours. Wharncliffe was bone dry, totally sheltered and pretty quiet. Shame I'm such a big girls blouse at downhill/jumps. And pushing back up hill is such a pain in the arse.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 26, 2008, 06:06:52 pm
A few short hour long spins at the end of last week, and riding to work. Trying to keep rides short to help knees get better - seems to be working. It has been upsettingly windy this w/end though - took me 10 minutes to ride to work last night (6kms, downhill all the way) into the wind, and only 9 mins to ride home (6kms, all uphill, turbo tailwind of justice!)

Legbreaker soon, fatdoc. You ready to start getting some miles in on the road bike again, or are you still pursuing the dark arts? (mtb)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on May 26, 2008, 06:57:55 pm

Crazed aussie driver takes out 50 cyclists (http://www.smh.com.au/news/beijing2008/cycle-pack-attack/2008/05/08/1210131112608.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 26, 2008, 08:06:43 pm
I've not ridden since last week - been on F***ing nights again , propping up the lack of gassers on my rota at the Northern. Oh and the next time the Medical Reg asks me to sort out a venous access problem, aaarrrrggghhhhh. Fatdoc will know what I mean.

So how much were the Zipp bars then Percy?? Are you eyeing up the Wheel Set and cranks to match???? Go on you know you want to :great:


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 26, 2008, 08:21:26 pm
Quite happy with my current set-up thank you very much. No need for any further expenditure, I think you'll find. My missus reads these threads, you know...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 27, 2008, 05:11:38 pm
Legbreaker soon, fatdoc. You ready to start getting some miles in on the road bike again, or are you still pursuing the dark arts? (mtb)

Fatdoc is training by indulging in the dark art - he reckons by riding his Marin up hill it will improve his hill climbing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 27, 2008, 07:07:37 pm
Is there a 'pissing in the wind' smilie?




 ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 28, 2008, 08:46:14 am
Is there a 'pissing in the wind' smilie?




 ;)

no, there's not a smilie for hauling 33lb of bike up over a rock garden in too high a gear smilie either..... 8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 28, 2008, 08:35:08 pm
My new training plan involves riding in the rain and through a pond - sorry I mean Sheffield roads then it rains.

Does anyone else think Sheffield will flood again as the drains don't seem any better then last year?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 29, 2008, 11:37:32 am
Rain and flooding are all pretty likely I think this summer. Less likely would be Sheffield city council spending any of the £63 million they got a few months back to fix the horrendous state of most of the roads in the city - particularly in the southern areas (where there are more liberal and tory voters, so the labour council traditionally has let the infrastructure fall apart as a punishment...so legend has it, anyway...)

I'm so pissed off with riding on some of the shitty roads around Sheffield. Particularly good examples would be Long Line, the road from Owler Bar to Fox House, the list is endless. I don't think you can ride down Long Line from the Peak anymore on a road bike and have round wheels or no punctures by the time you hit the bottom. This has been exacerbated this morning when I rode up the hill from Hathersage which they have just 're-surfaced'  with the tar and gravel method (sprayed tar everywhere, then dumped a load of chippings on it and buggered off), thus ensuring maximum puncturing qualities, whilst retaining all the bumps and potholes -  :furious: :furious:

Why can't they resurface roads properly in this country?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 29, 2008, 02:58:15 pm

Why can't they resurface roads properly in this country?

The council will claim that we don't pay enough tax to fund repairs.

The roads are generally awful and I've got to agree the further south / west you get the worse the roads. The drains certainly haven't been improved since last year - loads blocked with road debris and trees.

Oh and that cheap way of re-surfacing roads really pisses me off bloody cheapskate council.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on May 29, 2008, 03:04:18 pm
Why can't they resurface roads properly in this country?

Because we're paying to wage two wars in Asia?   :shrug:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: JR on May 29, 2008, 03:31:35 pm

Why can't they resurface roads properly in this country?

I'm feeling that.

Just come back from a 4 hour ride in the peak on new wheels.  They don't seem so new anymore.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on May 29, 2008, 03:44:44 pm
You shavers need one of these for Peak roads:

(http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/tech/bianchipez2.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on May 29, 2008, 04:32:02 pm
Out of interest have all you folks complaining about the state of the roads complained to the council about it?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 29, 2008, 07:10:37 pm
Oh yes  - i've written to the council about the state of the roads (I was bored & pissed off one day) and got a really snotty reply, that the roads I was complaining about were not important etc

Why can't they resurface roads properly in this country?

Because we're paying to wage two wars in Asia?   :shrug:

Oh yes - that's where all my cash is going.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 30, 2008, 02:03:07 pm
This is quite a good website for those planning to ride the Alps etc. Its route gradients, maps etc

http://www.grenoblecycling.com/index.htm (http://www.grenoblecycling.com/index.htm)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Jaspersharpe on May 30, 2008, 02:14:57 pm
Don't know if you've seen this.......

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Sheffield39s-660m-for-road-repairs.3909348.jp

.....but if you believe what they're saying then the Sheffield road situation should all be sorted soon. Er, well in ten years time anyway.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 30, 2008, 02:22:40 pm
Sounds alright - but PFI - That'll mean it will cost a bomb over the years.

3 fucking years to appoint a contractor - what the hell are they going to do? Each lay abit of road, and the one that last the longest wins the contract.

I also like the bit about Sheffield labour - in other words we'll sort the roads out in the areas that vote labour and tough shit if you may vote Lib Dem or Tory!!!

It all sounds good but I bet it won't make any difference. .
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on May 30, 2008, 02:32:01 pm
Good find Jasper, I thought Percy's £66million sounded a bit low, but couldn't find the story in under five minutes so gave up.

It'll be like painting the Fourth Bridge, by the time they've finished they'll be starting again.

Then you've got the fuck-wit planning on road works.  Take Division Street as a prime example, resurfaced and paved/bricked out all nice, they then spend the next two or three years digging it up over and over again to lay new pipes for heating (I think), gas, electricity etc.  all done separately by each contractor, relaying the road (in a fucking state compared to what it used to be).  It would be far too sensible for the Council to say "Right come on you lot of utilities companies, we've got one set of people wanting to dig this road up, before they start you've got a three month window to let us know if you want to do stuff there.  That way you all save and share on the cost of digging up the road and relaying it, and we don't piss off people with continuous road works.  If you miss this window you'll have to wait another five years before you can improve anything"  That would be far to sensible for anyone in town planning to work out.

It really bugs me that they spend money putting fucking speed humps/trap in, like you really need them anyway with the roads in the state they are in.

Not sure about this Labour/non-Labour divide either, I live in the Manor constituency which is (for better or worse) staunch Labour and the roads are as much a fucking state as anywhere else.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Jaspersharpe on May 30, 2008, 02:39:20 pm
Yes our area is as Labour as it gets (Norfolk Park so I believe the constituency includes Park Hill etc) but the roads are shocking and getting worse. I can see that they'll use the excuse of the three year wait for the new scheme to start to do even less in the short term.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 30, 2008, 02:55:07 pm
To be fair I ride through the labour heart land areas going to work and the roads are just as bad as the SW Tory zone. I just want to know why its going to take 3 years to appoint a contractor - its not like they've got to design a building or anything, just re-surface just about every road in the city!!

On a brighter note the tool I need so I don't get lost on the next cyclo-sportive.

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/gadgets/gps-devices/product/edge-705-31875 (http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/gadgets/gps-devices/product/edge-705-31875)

Looks awesome shame about the price!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on May 30, 2008, 03:04:20 pm
This has reminded me of a most amusing site for anyone who cycles and uses the "Cycle Network" as it is dubiously dubbed....

Cycle Facility of the Month (http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/facility-of-the-month)

May's current winner is...

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/poole-trees.jpg)

then there are other classics such as Aprils

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/sainsburys.jpg)

ultra-secure cycle racks courtesy of mother nature

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/iow_cycle_rack.jpg)

end of the road

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/york-fence.jpg)

and whats the fucking point of this....

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/shelter.jpg)

enjoy the rest at your leisure  :lol:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 30, 2008, 07:32:10 pm
Fatdoc - here's the link to watch the penultimate stage of the Giro tomorrow

http://www.cyclingfans.com/giro_d_italia_player.html

The video is from Norwegian TV and the audio is the Eurosport comentary in english (and southern irish drawl from Sean Kelly!) Just mute the volume on the video player and it works quite well. Also note that the meat of tomorrows racing (taking in the infamous passo Gavia and then finishing up the mortirolo) will be live from around 2 or 3 pm onwards. Tune in before this and you watch norwegian childrens telly with english tennis commentary (which I quite enjoy, in a funny sort of way...)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 30, 2008, 07:56:50 pm
Its on euro-sport for a whole hour and half - but it will probably be less as they keep putting the flaming French Open Tennis on instead, even when the giro is scheduled to be on.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on May 30, 2008, 10:09:23 pm
I trust you guys saw todays stage (Friday).....absolutely awesome, Di Luca rode like a champion even if he doesn't actualy win it was exciting to see some real fireworks in the last 40km.  :thumbsup:

Can't wait to see tomorrows stage.  :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 31, 2008, 04:21:56 pm
How smooth are those Italian Roads, not a pot-hole in sight!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on May 31, 2008, 11:24:01 pm
I've just returned from a week of Italian road heaven. I rode everyday on mainly quiet roads, great climbs, perfect weather and a real local love of all that roadie stuff. I was staying in Cattolica in Emiglia Romagna so great food, albeit a bit touristy, but once you get off the beaten track its great. I did a ride with a local one day and at a roundabout when we'd come down off the hills he just rode out into the traffic, stuck his hand out and nodded at the oncoming traffic. No one batted an eyelid, just waved us on. Not often that happens here. Same ride, went into a bar for a coffee and a snack, sweating like a pig when the lovely lady who was serving put her arm round me, asked me if I was tired and wanted some fresh water, gave me a sandwich and sent me on my way. God I love Italy.

Have a look at www.italybikehotels.it if you like that sort of stuff. I've stayed at a few in Emiglia Romagna and Liguria over the years and its a great holiday if you've got family.
Pretty much every day I rode to another picture postcard perfect 13th century walled town where I was warmly received.
I've got loads of miles in my legs but added weight because of the food :) As I told fatdoc I'm fitter but fatter.

Bad news is that my beautiful handmade Bianchi Ti frame is too small for me. I'll need to to get something a bit bigger. It rides like a dream, but its just not the right size. I'm 5 11 and a lanky fook and its a 57cm frame. Let me know if you're interested otherwise it goes in the comic next week.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 01, 2008, 08:42:58 am
off to bicicletta to get properly measured next week then matey???

those hols look top notch....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 01, 2008, 05:40:45 pm
Dolly - I ride a 56cm Ti frame ( A Sunday) probably not as nice as your Bianchi - I'm 5 11 as well so I'm surprised that your bike is too small.

That holiday looks awesome - maybe next year. Did you see any of the Giro?

Anyone else think that they need Alberto Contador to ride the Le Tour - after his win today at the Giro???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 01, 2008, 06:34:02 pm
The reason I think its too small is that I need 4 spacers on the bars, the standard length seatpost is about an inch out above its safety mark and it just looks wrong - ie everything looks too high to be right  - if you know what I mean.
I need to get someone who knows about these things to give me some advice really - I'll probably go to Bicicletta TBH as FD suggests
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 01, 2008, 06:45:31 pm
Does sound a bit small...you got a long stem on it too? The bicicleta boys will sort you out - leave your credit card at home if you want to play safe. The Lynskey Ti frames in there are nice  :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 01, 2008, 08:03:54 pm
I did a ride with a local one day and at a roundabout when we'd come down off the hills he just rode out into the traffic, stuck his hand out and nodded at the oncoming traffic. No one batted an eyelid, just waved us on. Not often that happens here. Same ride, went into a bar for a coffee and a snack, sweating like a pig when the lovely lady who was serving put her arm round me, asked me if I was tired and wanted some fresh water, gave me a sandwich and sent me on my way. God I love Italy.

Yeah Its funny how the lunatic driving nations have such a reverence for cyclists. It was the same for me in France; riding on the Cote d'Azure, on the coast road, at rush hour: I thought I was being really brave; but no, motorists practically crashed into each other to give me space. Later in the holiday I rode over into Italy and the same again- masses of courtesy. I guess its the fact that there is a whole culture of cycling over there that we just don't have.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 01, 2008, 08:15:41 pm
Quote
Does sound a bit small...you got a long stem on it too? The bicicleta boys will sort you out - leave your credit card at home if you want to play safe. The Lynskey Ti frames in there are nice 

Longish- and its at upward angle as well.
Those Planet X frames you mentioned the other day look interesting though and if I read it write are made by the Lynskey lot as well ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 01, 2008, 08:24:41 pm
Quote
Yeah Its funny how the lunatic driving nations have such a reverence for cyclists. It was the same for me in France; riding on the Cote d'Azure, on the coast road, at rush hour: I thought I was being really brave; but no, motorists practically crashed into each other to give me space. Later in the holiday I rode over into Italy and the same again- masses of courtesy. I guess its the fact that there is a whole culture of cycling over there that we just don't have.
Spot on I reckon. There was a piece in The Times yesterday (or maybe The Telegraph last week - not that I advocate The Telegraph you understand, just that it was free in the hotel last week) about how although cycling is one of the most popular sports in the country in terms of participation, there's no mass appreciation.
That and the fact the roads are so crowded here and British motorists/British Culture are/is just so bloody aggressive.

I guess if you were to look back at the history of the sport, not that I know that much BTW, it would be because of the UK time trialling thing as opposed to road racing ?


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 01, 2008, 08:38:25 pm

[/quote] Spot on I reckon. There was a piece in The Times yesterday (or maybe The Telegraph last week - not that I advocate The Telegraph you understand, just that it was free in the hotel last week) about how although cycling is one of the most popular sports in the country in terms of participation, there's no mass appreciation.
That and the fact the roads are so crowded here and British motorists/British Culture are/is just so bloody aggressive.

I guess if you were to look back at the history of the sport, not that I know that much BTW, it would be because of the UK time trialling thing as opposed to road racing ?



[/quote]
I have a suspicion that the whole time trialling thing came about because very early on local authorities all over Britain banned en-mass road races. Instead hard northern lads slipped out of the cafes at timed intervals and just shrugged their shoulders when stopped by the Plod: "Really officer, the 60th cyclist along this road, in as many minutes? Well that is strange. I'll be on my way then...You don't happen to know... to the nearest hundredth of a second how long you've had me stopped... No, yes well I'll be off before you arrest me then.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on June 01, 2008, 08:39:40 pm
RE Doll's point of cycling culture/respect given to cyclists.


Not only biking but mopeds too, which are hugely popular as first forms of personal transport.  Italians are more likely to know that unprotected feeling than Brits & I'm guessing this is where the respect comes in.  Their weather makes biking hugely enjoyable, more so than car travel and searing seat leather.. .  Rather have the wind in my Fred Perry and my ass on a Lambretta myself too.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 01, 2008, 09:21:31 pm

Those Planet X frames you mentioned the other day look interesting though and if I read it write are made by the Lynskey lot as well ?

http://www.planet-x-warehouse.co.uk/?p=1319

£1599 for a dura ace equipped Lynskey?  :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 01, 2008, 10:00:18 pm


Bargain!  http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/frames/touring/product/titanium-custom-randonneuring-frame-31340 (http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/frames/touring/product/titanium-custom-randonneuring-frame-31340)

Got to agree with the above. I've ridden in Spain & France - car drivers are bonkers but they treat cyclists like Gods. According to an Italian mate, in Italy footie is the biggest sport followed by cycling. In Gazetta della Sporta last week there was 5 pages a day dedicated to the Giro, whereas in The Sunday Times today there wasn't a single word about the second biggest grand tour of the year
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 01, 2008, 10:01:57 pm

Those Planet X frames you mentioned the other day look interesting though and if I read it write are made by the Lynskey lot as well ?

http://www.planet-x-warehouse.co.uk/?p=1319

£1599 for a dura ace equipped Lynskey?  :o
Perce Don't fuckin' do this to me.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 01, 2008, 11:08:30 pm
You know he's right Joe - I will if you will.
I only need the frame mind as I've got a new Ultegra groupset I can use.
I've got an Ultegra 53 39 which I'll swap you for a couple of decent bottles if you fancy ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 01, 2008, 11:58:24 pm
You know he's right Joe - I will if you will.
I only need the frame mind as I've got a new Ultegra groupset I can use.
I've got an Ultegra 53 39 which I'll swap you for a couple of decent bottles if you fancy ?

Mate I'm running a 50 34 and still dying on the peak steep stuff. Plus I've recently sworn to my lovely little schwinn fastback that I'll never leave it until I've up graded its wheels from the tractor parts it currently endures.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 02, 2008, 12:17:40 am
I can do you some good handbuilt wheels in to the bargain as well ? :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 02, 2008, 08:23:17 am
Got a spare Ultegra compact chainset if you need that instead, Joe! I'm not sure the frame in Fatkids link is the same one as the Planet X Ti frame - I think the Planet X frame is one made specially for them and has slightly sportier geometry than the one in the link (although the price of £1600 for just the frame gives an idea of what a bargain the PX bike is!)

Dave (the guy who owns Planet X) is a good mate of Ben Moons, and will happily style you if he knows you're a sheffield based climber. I avoided paying carriage on my carbon SL by getting Dave to drop it into the wall on his way home.

Joe - a titanium frame is just what you need for the alps.... :devangel:....but maybe upgrading is the cheaper option
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 02, 2008, 08:54:02 am
Will you bastards stop tempting me, its not fair; you know I have all the self-control of an un-houstrained newfoundland puppy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 02, 2008, 10:36:15 am
Will you bastards stop tempting me, its not fair; you know I have all the self-control of an un-houstrained newfoundland puppy.

What's needed here is a touch of fatdoc's bike buying justification, to allow hid credit card to flex!! He was telling me that in a year the savings he's made from cycling to work have paid for his carbon wilier. £40 quid a week in petrol say you go to work 40 weeks per year when you can cycle - there you are £1600 - yours to spend on that nice new Lynskey, sorry I mean Planet X bike. I'm not so sure , but it does make you think, and I only fill my car up once a month or so usually
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 02, 2008, 11:17:04 am
Will you bastards stop tempting me, its not fair; you know I have all the self-control of an un-houstrained newfoundland puppy.

What's needed here is a touch of fatdoc's bike buying justification, to allow hid credit card to flex!! He was telling me that in a year the savings he's made from cycling to work have paid for his carbon wilier. £40 quid a week in petrol say you go to work 40 weeks per year when you can cycle - there you are £1600 - yours to spend on that nice new Lynskey, sorry I mean Planet X bike. I'm not so sure , but it does make you think, and I only fill my car up once a month or so usually
Whats needed is a fingers-in-ears-"la, la, la I'm not listening emoticon". AS there isn't one I shall have to do this :wall: while repeating Ti frames are crap and I don't want one- repeatedly.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 02, 2008, 11:42:01 am
Whats needed is a fingers-in-ears-"la, la, la I'm not listening emoticon". AS there isn't one I shall have to do this :wall: while repeating Ti frames are crap and I don't want one- repeatedly.

Quite right, Joe. Ti frames are crap - so its a good job Planet X do a fantastic offer on CARBON frames as well (even lighter, cheaper and very quick...) :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 02, 2008, 12:40:16 pm
Look.

You've mentally spent the money now.


Please, please please..

dont do a *Dolly*

go and SIT on it, and get it FITTED

for £2k bicicletta will fully sort you out, pander to you, faun over you... and the bike will actually fit.



go there.


today.


now.


BTW, you'll have to make an appt...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 02, 2008, 01:13:16 pm
(http://i25.tinypic.com/euh4t2.jpg)

fatdoc returns from the bike shop "I only went in for a bottle"
[/quote]

Fatdoc, you reminded me of this classic from the "That's you, that is" thread.

Many a true word is spoken in jest....... ;D

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 02, 2008, 01:34:09 pm
Just come back from making an appointment for a fitting next Monday. I mentioned your name Percy.
They got me to pick up one of the Lynksey Ti frames. OMG they are beautiful and so so light.
No decisions made until I hear  what they say next week.............. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 02, 2008, 01:46:23 pm
Just come back from making an appointment for a fitting next Monday. I mentioned your name Percy.
They got me to pick up one of the Lynksey Ti frames. OMG they are beautiful and so so light.
No decisions made until I hear  what they say next week.............. 

You picked something up? :o

I forgot to mention that - never touch anything in there....that's how it starts! I touched something in there once, and in no time at all we were living in a box down by the canal eating out of the skips behind Maccy D's (but my bike is very light...)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 02, 2008, 02:39:29 pm
Thats it Dolly - time to re-mortgage your house - last time I went in La Bicicletta they had an £8k plus Lynksey frame built up, looked amazing. Percy is right once you touch something in there thats it, and if its abit heavy they will then show you something with more carbon and Ti to get the weight down - and get those devilish electronic scales out.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 02, 2008, 04:13:29 pm
Dolly.

you're fucked.
 :devangel:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 02, 2008, 04:29:00 pm
I need to sell my Bianchi frame TBH.
Seriously, there's no way I will spend £1800 on a frame (no forks) when I can get frame and forks from Planet X for £1100 made by the same people.

I still hold out a slight hope that all will be well and they'll tell me that my frame is in fact OK, I just need a different stem or summat....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 02, 2008, 07:35:52 pm
 :greed:


As I said....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 02, 2008, 09:20:53 pm
 :lol:

i am loving this. this month i have had to do some serious maths to get myself out of financial turmoil caused by bike buying.  :oops:

Dolly.

you're fucked.
 :devangel:



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 02, 2008, 09:56:29 pm
And Dolly , here's the new groupset to put on your lovely new frame, well if you use Shimano.

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/3259 (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/3259)  :-\

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 02, 2008, 10:12:24 pm
now that's BAD
esp as they now have their own powerlink system.


I just wiggled myself some waterproof gloves for the MTB, welcome to summer  >:(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 02, 2008, 10:20:13 pm
Word on the street is that Campag Record will go to eleven speed cassette  :-\

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 02, 2008, 10:27:13 pm
Quote
And Dolly , here's the new groupset to put on your lovely new frame, well if you use Shimano.

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/3259 

It does look beautiful doesn't it ? Mind you no compact in Dura Ace as its only meant for hardcore racers, so I don't need to worry about that. Don't campag use carbon levers/shifters in Chorus already ?

Just one more thing while we're on the subject of groupsets. I loved the way in La Bicicleta today that there was apparently nothing in the shop, then one of the guys opened a big flat drawer that looked like it should contain jewels, with lots of lovely groupset components laid out on a foam backdrop. Let me touch the precious things.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 03, 2008, 07:31:57 am
Dura-Ace is coming in a compact version 50/34 see the link above.

I've got 2008 Campag Centeur on one of my bikes and has carbon shifters/levers and cranks. The only difference between it and Chorus is about 250g of extra weight.

Dolly - you're falling for la bicicleta - time to think of how to finance this new machine.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 03, 2008, 08:42:37 am
Could to see your prediction regarding flooded roads in Shefield this summer was acurate, Fatkid! Jets of water a foot high coming out of manhole covers this morning on my way to work! Aaahhh, the great british summer.

By the way, I'm thinking of starting a bankrupt legshavers thread for all the poor unfortunates who have recently visited La Bicicleta.......! Did you see the built-up Lynskey they have in there? 7 grand please :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 03, 2008, 09:00:42 am
here come the June floods.....

bit gripped..... wife in early labour so might have to walk her to the hosser if it gets real bad  :o

having said that she's been like this fir 48hrs now  :o :o :o


Right:

11 speed you say?. God.



I cannt have an out of date groupset that's plain damn wrong.



Damn.
 :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 03, 2008, 09:42:56 am
Good news, FD - here comes number 4! Rain easing off now, so all good for leisurely drive over to the Jessops later on I reckon without the need for wading....good luck everybody!

Other than the fact that FD will defo be the first roadie I know with an 11 speed casette on his bike (its a given, surely?!?!) I like the fact that the new Dura Ace cassettes have a much better selection of ratios - I've wanted a shimano compatible 25-11 for ages now, and at last its a reality! Where's my credit card? (They also have a 27-11 - just whats required for sportives like the F Whitton if you've got a compact already - spin uphill and not be too undergeared on the downhills) :thumbsup: Faster, faster...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 03, 2008, 09:53:11 am
but it's shimano



i simply dont do the big *S*

looks good though!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 03, 2008, 10:21:42 am
Good luck FD :)
Not sure there's that much difference between the c and the s TBH.
I've got a 11-27 ( I think) Shimano which I needed for the Etape (on a compact) and I think a 12-28 campy on my winter bike on a 39.

I didn't see the built up Lynksey TBH - just as well really, thats about the budget if we need a new bigger Dad van later in the year. No 3 is on the way......
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 03, 2008, 10:37:21 am
Good luck with the new sprog FD.
Please tell me everyone I'm not the first to get the the homage that Campag are paying to "Spinal Tap"- "These go up to eleven"


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 03, 2008, 10:52:00 am
LOL. I must admit I hadn't thought of that.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on June 03, 2008, 10:52:50 am
Fat Doc's increasing the tribe:  let's face it, kids can work @ 6 years no probs.  But what can a guy do when the next generation of extortionate pure hydrogen frames are probably only 4 years away?  Hope for twins?


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on June 03, 2008, 10:55:05 am
whilst i abhor the idea of posting links to the daily mail, i got sent this a minute ago and it's pretty unbelievable...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023813/Pictured-Shocking-moment-drunk-driver-ploughed-group-cyclists.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023813/Pictured-Shocking-moment-drunk-driver-ploughed-group-cyclists.html)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 03, 2008, 11:01:45 am
holy fucking shit.


I feel sick


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 03, 2008, 11:19:00 am
whilst i abhor the idea of posting links to the daily mail, i got sent this a minute ago and it's pretty unbelievable...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023813/Pictured-Shocking-moment-drunk-driver-ploughed-group-cyclists.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023813/Pictured-Shocking-moment-drunk-driver-ploughed-group-cyclists.html)




:o :jaw: Fortunate that only one person was killed
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 03, 2008, 12:47:02 pm
Hope it all goes well Fatdoc, with the 4th kid.

This is where you are all going wrong, you'd have far more cash for bikes, if you didn't have kids.

I don't have any  :thumbsup: so more cash for bikes  :thumbsup:

Well I'm waiting for campag and SRAM to get their new stuff on the market, before I upgrade anything.
Percy I think you are right some  sort of support group for La bicicletta victims sounds a good plan.

Luckily I don't want a Ti Lynkskey frame, so will be able to avoid it when new bike time arrives.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 04, 2008, 07:58:39 pm
I told you so, 11 speed from Campag is on its way. And back to the glory days of racing with A Super Record group. Will Shimano play catch up?

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/campagnolo-moves-to-11-speed-16805 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/campagnolo-moves-to-11-speed-16805)



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on June 05, 2008, 09:44:14 pm
back to nutty hill climbing (I live in crookes!)
anyone checked out:

http://www.ocd.org.uk/ (http://www.ocd.org.uk/)

or heard of the Ordre des Cols Durs (!?)

anyone ridden

Ffordd Penllech??? in Harlech, Wales?

or http://deputy-dog.com/2007/09/18/the-steepest-streets-in-the-world/ (http://deputy-dog.com/2007/09/18/the-steepest-streets-in-the-world/)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 06, 2008, 09:38:57 am
Those are seriously steep. Not sure what the steepest roads round Sheffield are, but there are some pretty steep hills of 20% plus around Bradfield / Loxley which has become my new training ground - as its quiet, far less cars than the Peak proper.

Does anyone know where I can get new detachable velcros for the inner part of my helmet - they need replacing but can't find any at the usual online places?

 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 06, 2008, 01:34:34 pm

Kent Road in S8 is very steep.

Bishopscourt Road nearby is pretty steep too.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 06, 2008, 06:14:09 pm
Just ordered a copy of this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/0007259018/sr=8-1/qid=1212772266/ref=dp_otherviews_0?ie=UTF8&s=books&img=0&qid=1212772266&sr=8-1

Roll on September time - I'm planning an itinery of despair  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 06, 2008, 07:34:54 pm
I came down the hill past the Moon pub In Stoney the other night - seemed pretty steep, could be worth investigating as a climb. Has anybody done it?

White Rose Classic on Sunday. Forecast looks good so hopefully beat last years time.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 06, 2008, 08:19:03 pm
That book looks good Percy, may have to get a copy. Did you see my linkto Grenoble cycling, there website has maps a gradient profiles for lots of the major Alps Cols.

I came down the hill past the Moon pub In Stoney the other night - seemed pretty steep, could be worth investigating as a climb. Has anybody done it?

White Rose Classic on Sunday. Forecast looks good so hopefully beat last years time.

If its on High Street - then yes I've been up it. Its pretty steep. Another steep one is the road from Low to High Bradfield, went up it the other day, and its harsh!! I really rate the Bradfield area for training, went today and didn't see a car for an hour!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 06, 2008, 08:49:24 pm
A mate of mine (who rides now and then) lives in Dungworth - there's a few spicy hills over there. In general not as long and draggy as most of the hills in the Peak, but a lot steeper (and more painful). The title of that book should maybe read 'Fatkids honeymoon location recomendations' - get a copy for your missus!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 06, 2008, 08:52:44 pm
Presumably all the hill freaks already know the the road opposite the Sir William in Grindleford, and the road off the b6001 after the turn-off signposted for the gliding club & Great Hucklow, both pretty killer IMFO (that's Fat). But nice cafe in Eyam :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 06, 2008, 09:53:13 pm
A mate of mine (who rides now and then) lives in Dungworth - there's a few spicy hills over there. In general not as long and draggy as most of the hills in the Peak, but a lot steeper (and more painful). The title of that book should maybe read 'Fatkids honeymoon location recomendations' - get a copy for your missus!

They are more painful I'll give you that - especially as I'm on 53/39 at the moment on the training bike. There are some pretty mean hills with switch backs in them as well.

I'm planning to do the L'etape next year, obviously without the other half, although she's a pretty good hill climber herself. She commutes to the Northern, only about five mins slower than me.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 06, 2008, 10:50:01 pm
The thing about alpine cols isn't how steep they are, its just how long the fookers go on for and how much pain/boredom you can withstand I reckon.
Doing the etape 2 years ago is what put me off roadie shit for over a year. Half way up the Izoard I thought its just fookin painful and hot and sweaty and it just not as much fun as climbing.
Local hills are different I reckon. They're relatively short, there's still a challenge and if you don't like it there's always something else to go at nearby.

Good luck in the White Rose Classic BTW. There's some great riding and that 25% section is something else. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on June 07, 2008, 08:36:01 am
Morning all,

Well, I've signed up for my first proper cyclosportive at the end of the month : the Montagnole course of the Ariegoise. I'll be the alarmingly pale man trying desperately to stay close to my faster missus.

I'm considering shaving my legs for this baptism, but I have a sensitive technical question - when shaving legs, where do you stop?

Should I stop neatly 2cm above the shortsline, to give that strange "hairy shorts when naked" look, or go a bit higher and stop just below the hip?

Please feel free to share your experience. Please do not feel free to post pictures.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 07, 2008, 10:07:52 am
problem is with climbing roadies they get so ridiculed when out climbing that on one seems to do it, apart from Dolly on an etape year, but the lad's a freak  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 07, 2008, 10:42:38 am
Leg shaving - after 65 pages of waffle we once again arrive at the topic of the thread! I've never done it, and don't know where the standard stoping point is. However, once you reach the shorts line, you might as well just keep going! (Although a good mate once told me that shaving his testicles was just about the worst idea he ever had. The itchiness when the hair grew back was almost intolerable, and caused him more than a few near-misses whilst driving and frantically scratching his knackers!) Many of the reasons given for leg-shaving are complete bollocks, although if you get an hour long massage after each ride it could be worth it, or if you crash a lot! I did actually find a very weak justification for shaving my legs the other day, having arrived back home after a 2 hour ride with loads of insects stuck in my leg hair. Most unpleasant, but not enough to join the shavers club!

Also, I have heard many bad stories about hair removal - people who have waxed and then been visited by a plague of boils all over their legs when their hair folicles get infected.

My advice is to go to a reputable roadie shop in the sumer when the staff are wearing shorts and check out how daft they look, then make your decision. This swung it for me!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 07, 2008, 11:01:47 am
(Although a good mate once told me that shaving his testicles was just about the worst idea he ever had. The itchiness when the hair grew back was almost intolerable, and caused him more than a few near-misses whilst driving and frantically scratching his knackers!)
I cannot believe how much more information than I could possibly need this.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 07, 2008, 12:41:05 pm
Percy you seem to have alot of good knowledge of this subject - are you are not a closet shaver. :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on June 07, 2008, 12:53:19 pm
i have shaved on a number of occasions. purely in the interest of looking the part...

i decided that the hair shorts look was a no-no, and so shaved the whole of both legs, and nothing but the legs, so help me god.

i tried that elite hair removing stuff once. it didn't work very well. i also accidentally squirted in my face, and it ate into one of the lenses in a very fine pair of cutler and gross glasses.

no horrible tales of boils or itching i'm afraid.

chicks seem to quite like it too...


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 07, 2008, 02:03:57 pm
I remember Joe Le Sausage telling me once that getting into a bed with fresh, ironed sheets with freshly shaved legs was a beautiful thing, and it seems, was his main reason for doing it.

He didn't mention whether he was alone in the aforementioned bed, or indeed whether he had a bike or not.

And I don't shave my legs.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 07, 2008, 02:07:46 pm
I remember Joe Le Sausage telling me once that getting into a bed with fresh, ironed sheets with freshly shaved legs was a beautiful thing, and it seems, was his main reason for doing it.

He didn't mention whether he was alone in the aforementioned bed, or indeed whether he had a bike or not.

Maybe they were someone else's freshly shaved legs?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on June 07, 2008, 07:32:22 pm
i tried that elite hair removing stuff once.

This is the shit to relieve paralytic friends of their eyebrows as they snooze unawares bolt upright on the couch.  You must be careful though, you have 10 minutes to get it off before it burns and obviously no eye contact must occur.

It's fuckin' great, wax on - wax off!


PS.  Don't drink w/ me, or if you do, stay awake.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 09, 2008, 12:00:49 pm
i shaved many times when i was racing.my thoughts are nothing looks more naf than hairy legs and cycle shorts plus my shaved sculpted legs were the envy of many of my female friends.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on June 09, 2008, 04:43:46 pm
i shaved many times when i was racing.my thoughts are nothing looks more naf than hairy legs and cycle shorts plus my shaved sculpted legs were the envy of many of my female friends.

Were you using fake tan as well?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 09, 2008, 04:59:47 pm
Depilatory issues aside, isn't today the day Dolly going to La Bicicleta to have his wallet emptied/bike measured? Come on, Dolly, give us the low down....or have you sold your computer to pay for some carbon fripperies?!?!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 09, 2008, 08:55:31 pm
 :agree:

c'mon you tart... what's it to be?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 09, 2008, 10:37:28 pm
Had to put it off, work got in the way............
I'll try and go at the end of the week - I'm only going to be measured tho' - not buying anything, honest
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 10, 2008, 08:27:17 am
i shaved many times when i was racing.my thoughts are nothing looks more naf than hairy legs and cycle shorts plus my shaved sculpted legs were the envy of many of my female friends.

Were you using fake tan as well?
only for early season races.its a useful aid if your trying to bluff the opposition in to thinking you've spent 3 months in a spanish training camp.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on June 10, 2008, 09:22:01 am
Ah yes, I like your thinking.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Jaspersharpe on June 10, 2008, 03:02:18 pm
I'm hoping none of you were involved in this.........

http://www.thestar.co.uk/headlines/19-naked-cyclists-stun-onlookers.4167622.jp

.....not sure I could handle the mental images.  :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 10, 2008, 04:59:57 pm
I am upgrading my wheels from tractor specials, and the suggestions from the bike shop boy are Fulcrum racing 5, mavic Aksiums or kysiriums, or shim 105's. My bike is all 105. Any help? (and go to bicicleta and spend a wedge is not helpful!)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 10, 2008, 05:03:06 pm
I'm hoping none of you were involved in this.........

http://www.thestar.co.uk/headlines/19-naked-cyclists-stun-onlookers.4167622.jp

.....not sure I could handle the mental images.  :o
I saw them riding up Ecclesall Road- it was briliant- they are doing one next year. Team Shaver's Anonymous any one?
(Let's give Jas some images to struggle with)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 10, 2008, 07:20:43 pm
I am upgrading my wheels from tractor specials, and the suggestions from the bike shop boy are Fulcrum racing 5, mavic Aksiums or kysiriums, or shim 105's. My bike is all 105. Any help? (and go to bicicleta and spend a wedge is not helpful!)

no choice.

fulcrum 1s..


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 10, 2008, 08:01:16 pm
i,ve got some old kysiriums(when they first came out there was only one model) and fulcrum 3s.they seem about the same weight and performance.however i've had 3 broken spokes in the rear fulcrums and i've never broken a spoke in a pair of factory built mavic wheels.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 10, 2008, 08:05:38 pm
Ksyriums, Joe. I got a pair of Ksyrium SL's and they are very good, light, and low maintenance. Not a cheap option. Fatdoc's Fulcrum recomendation is also a good'un, but you do need to spend a ruck of cash for the good ones. If you just want a cheapish pair, I got a brand new, never been riden pair of PlanetX model C wheels (decent alloy rims, not the pricey carbon ones) with new Continental boots and tubes, skewers, the whole shebang you can have for a small consideration..... See here for more details  http://www.planet-x-warehouse.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Road_279.html

Or get yourself down La Bicicleta, ask for a pair of Zipp 202's, hand over 1250 billy's and watch the clock next time you ride up a big hill!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 10, 2008, 08:32:57 pm
as I said..

fulcrum 1s...

fast as for a non *bespoke* wheel.

very strong build and reputation, sorry webbo.. my knowledge is fulcrum are a shade heavy, but bomb proof..
dont go bespoke, just go top of the peg range.


and.. mavic are french  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 10, 2008, 09:02:54 pm
French, and very light and bombproof. I've had several pairs - Aksiums and Ksyriums, as well as a pair of Eclipses on my track bike, and have never had any trouble with any of them. They've not needed truing, and I've never bust a spoke. Every other make of wheel I have had has needed truing, bust spokes, needed frequent maintenance of the hubs or have just been too bendy for my lardy arse. Ksyrium SL's are some of the stiffest wheels I have riden, and are super quick - no  flex when sprinting. The French do now and agian produce good things - cheese, wine, the best bouldering area in the world, and wheels being four of them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 10, 2008, 10:57:18 pm
The F1's are too good for the bike. I've set myself a budget of £200 for the wheels. The Mavic's I'm looking at are the Mavic Ksyrium Equipe at £217.
LIke the fact that perce says they are maintenance free.
Also perce can I have a lok at your planet x things some time, before I decide?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 11, 2008, 08:31:26 am
as I said..

fulcrum 1s...

fast as for a non *bespoke* wheel.

very strong build and reputation, sorry webbo.. my knowledge is fulcrum are a shade heavy, but bomb proof..
dont go bespoke, just go top of the peg range.


and.. mavic are french  ;)

well my fulcrums haven't been bombproof.
are the 1s better than the 3s or is it the higher the number the better the performance.mine came with my bike.
i've read several reviews by marcel wurst german ex pro sprinter who reckons the top of the range fulcrums are too wooden.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 11, 2008, 08:39:01 am
Let me know when you're down the works next Joe, and I'll pop my wheels down for you to have a fondle....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 11, 2008, 08:59:21 am
Ta Perce
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 11, 2008, 09:46:54 am
£200 to £250 will get you second hand Ksyrium SLs. There are plenty around.

I've been very happy with mine, as Percy said they seem strong, stiff and reasonably light (1600g actual weight). I'm only getting rid of mine 'cos I've had an offer I can't refuse on some lighter wheels (that still haven't turned up yet).

I was very impressed with mine at the weekend, they took some crunching hits on the shocking roads on the White Rose Classic, and are still fine. I really feared a blowout on more than one occasion.

I think that a mate is buying my SLs when my new wheels turn up, if he decides not to then you can have them for £200.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 11, 2008, 01:51:49 pm
what do people think to these? i am going to save up for a new wheel set for my kuota.

(went out for my first ride in a long time - following the death of my closest friend who i had always ridden with leading to a lay off for quite a while, and had a great time. i rode with the ribble valley club, we did just shy of 100 miles, from preston out to dent and back, a really friendly group of people).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on June 12, 2008, 11:08:23 am
As you can tell by my previous posts, I'm bored enough at work to engage in some obscure frippery! Here's a question. Does anyone use tubular rims/tyres? Never have myself, but those who do use them say that they make for stronger/lighter rims, better ride, fewer flats(!) etc....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 12, 2008, 12:40:41 pm
i haven't used them for years.i suspect not many people who have to buy there own tyres use them much.you get pretty good performance from tyres and tubes these days and you don't have to have spent 20 years as a seemstress in order to mend a pucture.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on June 12, 2008, 04:12:31 pm
I have a pair of Rolf tubulars that I bought for time trialling. I have barely used them. They do ride very nicely though.

And my Colnago came with a pair of 70s Mavic tubular rims and the original tyres. The glue looks pretty suspect and I haven't ridden them...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 12, 2008, 04:44:48 pm
what do people think to these? i am going to save up for a new wheel set for my kuota.

(went out for my first ride in a long time - following the death of my closest friend who i had always ridden with leading to a lay off for quite a while, and had a great time. i rode with the ribble valley club, we did just shy of 100 miles, from preston out to dent and back, a really friendly group of people).

oops, i meant to link these DTswiss wheels. http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360029603&n=DT%20RR1850%20Wheel%20Set
(i dont think i will have to pay that price, i have seen them cheaper elsewhere).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 13, 2008, 05:31:37 pm
I've been participating in the dark arts of MTB over the past week - anybody up for a ride over the weekend?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 13, 2008, 06:32:55 pm
wife still damn huffing, though hopefully not for long!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 13, 2008, 06:50:18 pm
wife still damn huffing, though hopefully not for long!
Bloody hell, Fatdoc....what's she playing at?!?! This child birth nonsense is interfering with your riding schedule, you know  ;)

I'm hoping to squeeze in a ride on the road this weekend , if anybody is keen. Still going steady after knee troubles, but building up the distance again...

Chappers - those wheels are heavy (1850 grams!) A pair of SL's will cost you a similar ammount but are a quarter of a kilo lighter. Just a thought....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 13, 2008, 07:56:59 pm
wife still damn huffing, though hopefully not for long!

What the hell's she playing at? Are you sure she's actually pregnant? I may be going out on Sunday.

1800 is heavy. Get some Zipp CSCs only 1300g go like stink as well.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 13, 2008, 10:27:02 pm
Thanks for all the wheel help, but wound up getting some Campag Protons with a shimano thingy for the cassette. They were heavily discounted, are dead light and me and them are going for a ride tomorrow morning.  :bounce:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 14, 2008, 03:06:10 pm
Light sexy wheels are cheating, (cheating is good) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jpx on June 14, 2008, 09:19:10 pm
I had a feel of a Planet X superlight carbon today, it was a beatiful bike, light as a feather. The girl riding it wasn't half bad either, said she was trying out a triathlon route  :bow:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 15, 2008, 10:51:36 am
Is the Froggart Hill Challenge still going. I've been off the bike for ten days but managed it in 14 min 20 secs. Slower than my previous effort but I had done 60 Kms by the time I got to it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 15, 2008, 12:50:03 pm
The challenge is never-ending Fatkid..... you just keep trying to beat your best time for ever, and ever, and ever.....

I forgot about Dubdom's query about the tubs/clinchers issue - I use both. Clinchers are great, easy to fix punctures in, etc, etc, and I use clinchers most of the time to train on BUT the carbon rims I've got with Tufo tubs (that I save for special occasions, time trials, etc) are just superb - sooooo quick and they sound great too. Also, if you puncture (I've not yet managed to puncture my tubs yet...) you can repair them dead easy - just pop the middle of the valve out, squirt in a spot of tub sealer, put the valve core back in and reinflate - jobs a good'un! Adventages of tubs include the fact that you can ride them flat, so if you do have a blowout at speed you're much less likely to crash than you are on clinchers! And they are very quick (I think I mentioned this before)

Modern tubular tyres are much more resistant to punctures than they used to be - obviously if you shread one the jobs knackered but most punctures can be sealed with the tube of goo you get with some brands. They're not even that expensive any more (Conti's or Tufos are about the same as a posh clincher tyre) provided you shop around. Tufo even do a tubular tyre that fits on clincher rims (not tried these though)!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Tammy on June 15, 2008, 08:18:58 pm
I had a feel of a Planet X superlight carbon today, it was a beatiful bike, light as a feather. The girl riding it wasn't half bad either, said she was trying out a triathlon route  :bow:

Was this on the roads around Hathersage and Grindleford yesterday, and was it a bright pink bike? If so I know the lady you're talking about! She's single AFAIK, lovely girl but very shy, she'd be chuffed to bits that someone thinks she's 'not half bad!'  :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 16, 2008, 07:23:07 am
I had a feel of a Planet X superlight carbon today, it was a beatiful bike, light as a feather. The girl riding it wasn't half bad either, said she was trying out a triathlon route  :bow:

Was this on the roads around Hathersage and Grindleford yesterday, and was it a bright pink bike? If so I know the lady you're talking about! She's single AFAIK, lovely girl but very shy, she'd be chuffed to bits that someone thinks she's 'not half bad!'  :)

Welcome to dating anonymous
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on June 16, 2008, 08:49:10 am
Dead fit girls who go cycling anonymous!  :goodidea:


ETA or maybe, Dead fit birds who shave their legs
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on June 16, 2008, 11:32:48 am
Clinchers v tubs, well I use clinchers the majority of the time with vredestein fortezzas, they roll fast are cheap enough (£15 a pop) and are easy to get on and off the rim. The nice new carbon wheels however, have tubs which is not as easy but boy do they feel lively! And they are easier to repair with something like vittoria pitstop. As far as I can see the frequency that I get punctures these days I'll be wearing out tubs rather than having to get them repaired. Not that I'd bother with repairs since good tubs are only around the £20 mark.
Apprently if you prefer the ease of using tape to stick on tubs then tufo extreme is by far and a way the best.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 16, 2008, 09:09:26 pm
Think I've been on the moon recently - well Wales at any rate. Just found out that Tom Boonen has been done for using Coke - what an utter twat. He's been harping on about cleaning the sport up at pro-level and he gets done for that and for drink driving. Cocaine isn't on the WADA list of prohibited substance in out of competition testing, but in my mind the pro-tour riders need to be totally clean. He's been banned from the Le tour.

Should Contador be there with Astana - I've got mixed views on this, but he must have known the score when he signed up with them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 16, 2008, 10:43:48 pm
i just signed up for this  :(

http://www.sus8events.com/index.php
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 19, 2008, 12:18:09 pm
Anybody up for a Sunday morning ride from Sheffield (Whirlow area)?

I don't really mind how far or where, I just need a bit of motivation to get out now the Fred Whitton and the White Rose are done and dusted.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 19, 2008, 12:36:33 pm
Keen, but availablity dependant on sprogging situation! I'll let you know Saturday....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 19, 2008, 02:34:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UPbb3cE33k

 :oops:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 19, 2008, 10:00:23 pm
I'll probably be up for a ride on Sunday a.m.

How would I know if I've cracked / trashed the carbon fork on my bike? The front end of the bike just doesn't sound right on bumpy sections of road. I can't see any cracks and I've checked everything else is tight and not rattling. Any advice much appreciated.

Anyone else seen that new Super Record group?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 20, 2008, 09:35:36 am
there have been issues with the Wilier forks, esp the more expensive one than you have, something to do with the glue bond on the steerer....


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 20, 2008, 10:17:47 am
Always reassuring to know that your forks could break at any moment........  :o
Nice clip of Frank Schleck taking the ride over the armco at the Tour of Swiss, SteveM. Even more impressive was the fact that he got on a new bike and finished the stage with nothing more than a few cuts and bruises!
You not coming out on Sunday then, Fatdoc? You can join me in the slow lane if you like!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 20, 2008, 10:29:16 am
And all just two minutes behind the leader. No wonder they take drugs   :bow:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 20, 2008, 11:25:07 am
Sundays Ride: how about 9.30 at the Whirlow Hall Crescent bus stop layby?

3 hour ride maybe involving a cafe and a cup of tea and then home in time for lunch?

I'll pm Percy and FK my mobile, Fatdoc should have it already. Actually, I'll send it to Fatdoc again anyway.

Maybe head down south so should be a tailwind home according to current forecast.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 20, 2008, 11:29:27 am
I'll need that cafe stop to firstly check my fork hasn't fallen apart and secondly because if I ride for more than two hours at the moment I need serious amounts of food.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on June 20, 2008, 11:33:33 am
I was out on my bike early this morning when something flew into my mouth.  I crunched down on it before I had chance to spit it out, but I think it was a medium-sized fly or mosquito. Anyway. The taste it left in my mouth was actually quite nice, sort of sweet and sugary. Is this normal, or should I keep my perverse fly-crunching habits to myself in future?  :-[
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jpx on June 20, 2008, 11:55:25 am
Was this on the roads around Hathersage and Grindleford yesterday, and was it a bright pink bike?

Yeah, and I know who she is now too! Apparently she works at the Hallamshire and knows some friends of mine, its a small world so I better be careful who I ogle in future, or at least who I admit to ogling!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 20, 2008, 08:30:43 pm
Sundays Ride: how about 9.30 at the Whirlow Hall Crescent bus stop layby?

3 hour ride maybe involving a cafe and a cup of tea and then home in time for lunch?

I'll pm Percy and FK my mobile, Fatdoc should have it already. Actually, I'll send it to Fatdoc again anyway.

Maybe head down south so should be a tailwind home according to current forecast.

Tim

ah, that explains my PM to you Tim... sorry mate, cant go... arse.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 21, 2008, 02:48:53 am
The taste it left in my mouth was actually quite nice, sort of sweet and sugary. Is this normal
No it's not, sicko ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 21, 2008, 02:31:07 pm
According to the weather man its gales tomorrow ... great. Fog today....Its suppose to be summer.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on June 21, 2008, 02:39:59 pm
I woke up keen to get to Wharncliffe and jump off things and the first day of summer is just minging  :wank:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 21, 2008, 05:38:10 pm
What's all this about - I'm emigrating.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7467236.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7467236.stm)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 21, 2008, 06:57:58 pm
bloody hell.

i get like 4 hrs a week max at the mo to get on a bike, of either variety.. each time it's playtime it's either blowing a gale or pissing it down.

Last night looked soo good for night riding... gutted.

i need some luck.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 21, 2008, 07:57:21 pm
I'd have to agree, tomorrow mornings ride doesn't look very enticing....

I'll see what the weather is like in the morning.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 21, 2008, 08:01:09 pm
I'm staying in bed tomorrow morning! In the immortal words of Fatdoc, "I don't fancy getting blown off in a hedge..."!  :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jpx on June 21, 2008, 11:12:46 pm
Any of you leg-shavers partake in triathlons? Not a hobby of mine but was thinkng about giving it a whiz.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 22, 2008, 08:52:12 am
I'm staying in bed tomorrow morning! In the immortal words of Fatdoc, "I don't fancy getting blown off in a hedge..."!  :-\

gosh... it's a bit gusty  :(

hmm.... think i'll try to spneek out to minus ten instead!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 22, 2008, 09:15:18 am
Too windy for my liking unless we want to do fatdoc impressions of being blown into a hedge. Anybody going out in the evenings this week, maybe the weather may improve.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 22, 2008, 09:17:32 am
Any of you leg-shavers partake in triathlons? Not a hobby of mine but was thinkng about giving it a whiz.

I've thought about it, but the thought of going to swim in some freezing cold lake or polluted river really has put me off.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 22, 2008, 09:52:03 am
It has crossed my mind too, but the swimming and running bit puts me off ;)
More than owt else, I swim like a scrawny climber - ie: I don't seem particularly bouyant, so most of my swimming energy goes into staying afloat rather than moving forward through the water!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 22, 2008, 10:51:32 am
Too windy for my liking unless we want to do fatdoc impressions of being blown into a hedge. Anybody going out in the evenings this week, maybe the weather may improve.

just pootled around the singletrack in Graves park for 45mins.... goddamn thats windy!!


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 22, 2008, 12:18:55 pm
I found a couple of contenders and just had a couple of hours round Strines; thought it might be a bit more sheltered over there in the lanes and there are still some short steep bits. Wasn't too bad actually, but I wouldn't really have wanted to do 3 or 4 hours of it.

Hagg Lane into a headwind on the way back was awkward.

Unfortunately I didn't get blown off in a hedge - I'll have to put in a special request when the wife gets home.

Bacon sandwich and Grand Prix now.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 22, 2008, 02:43:32 pm
fucking windy out there boys. did 60 miles over the trough of bowland, nails. terrible head winds back down the a6 back into preston. getting over a cold which didnt help!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 22, 2008, 09:16:18 pm
I found a couple of contenders and just had a couple of hours round Strines; thought it might be a bit more sheltered over there in the lanes and there are still some short steep bits. Wasn't too bad actually, but I wouldn't really have wanted to do 3 or 4 hours of it.

Hagg Lane into a headwind on the way back was awkward.


I thought Tim would get out, being abit more hardcore than the rest of us. I went running almost ending up flat on my face up near Stanage pole. Hagg Lane is a pain in the arse at the best of times.. usually due to the the 4WD driving ladies that lunch driving their kids around or some lunatic in a white van. Sorry to stereotype but whenever I cut up Hagg Lane on the way home there's ALWAYS some kind of incident.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 23, 2008, 09:05:38 am
Any of you leg-shavers partake in triathlons? Not a hobby of mine but was thinkng about giving it a whiz.
in an other life i was yorkshire short course champion in the 30-35 age group.
as some you may gather this was some time ago.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on June 23, 2008, 09:53:11 am
Any of you leg-shavers partake in triathlons? Not a hobby of mine but was thinkng about giving it a whiz.

Like webbo, I competed in tri comps at a respectable level some years ago, gave it up after university, but now enjoying training and competing at a less impressive standard.

Triathlon is the sport of champions... or lunatics, depending on how you look at it.  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 23, 2008, 10:10:34 am
triathlon its self can cause angst re how far do you shave or it did when the fashion was do the whole race in your speedos.the hairy shorts look conbined with said speedos was a sight only fit for late night fetish programmes.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on June 23, 2008, 10:12:07 am
Ha ha!  ;D

There's a certain advantage in being a meticulously epilated lady where these things are concerned!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 23, 2008, 10:21:32 am
my mum once bought me one of those epilaty things.fuck me those things must be illegal under the geneva convention.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 23, 2008, 04:19:02 pm
Triathlon is the sport of champions... or lunatics, depending on how you look at it.  ;)

I did my first triathlon this year. It's for lunatics IMHO :thumbsup:

And my first fell run last week. That's for lunatics too  :thumbsup:

Saw some roadies on their bikes yesterday. I'm not that mad  :wall:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 23, 2008, 08:53:48 pm
So, who's going to be the first to get these?? Fatdoc? Come on you know you want them.
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/eyewear/sunglasses/product/rokr-pro-glasses-31948 (http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/eyewear/sunglasses/product/rokr-pro-glasses-31948)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 23, 2008, 09:39:00 pm
so...where do people go for good news about the tour? their own website is a bit crap. i want rider profiles, teams, whats going on stage by stage. hit me up!

things just got serious for me, put some aero bars on my kuota for time trials. ooof.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on June 24, 2008, 10:30:31 am
I find the official website fine for live text coverage.  However I think I look mainly at http://www.velonews.com which seem to be updated a little quicker.  Velonews might be better for team news/details, but might not.

The bbc one is always quite slow to be updated, and is not updated as frequently.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 24, 2008, 10:40:11 am
http://www.cyclingfans.com/

I use this one if there are any big races on that I want to watch - they normally have a good choice of different sources of media. The combinations work well - I watched some of the giro using italian tv for the video and eurosport for the audio. It works pretty well most of the time
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on June 24, 2008, 11:36:58 am
My short finger gloves are dying after 4 loyal years of use, so I'm shopping for new ones.
I can understand people flaming me for even thinking this... but... Rapha leather gloves: worth £80 a pop or just a trendy gimmick?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 25, 2008, 09:17:27 am
your answer might be here.
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=6007&status=True
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 25, 2008, 09:41:37 am
your answer might be here.
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=6007&status=True

Now that is something that I can aspire to: looking good whilst getting dropped off the back of the group.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 25, 2008, 12:03:11 pm
Well I'm Euro cool. Is there some way of looking cool when you can't stand up at the end of a ride?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 25, 2008, 07:04:01 pm
Down in Norfolk two rides averaging 30kmh in two days both inthe 60k range hurrah for flatness (and the illusion of competence it gives).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 25, 2008, 07:45:14 pm
Norfolking way thats going to do you any good for what I have planned, Joe.

Annot - good bouldering and the Col de St Michel Pyresq (16km at 5% average) straight out of the campsite
Tralenta - good bouldering and the Col D'Iseran straight out of the campsite (16km at 6%)
Ailefroide - good bouldering, and blah, blah, blah

You see where I'm going with this?

Now I just need to find the nearest boulders to Alp d'Huez (14.5 kms at 8%), the Galibier (18 kms at 7%) and Mont Ventoux (21 kms at 7.6%).............

I can relate to the feel good flavour of a trip to the flat-lands too, mind!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on June 25, 2008, 08:44:22 pm
For a western flavour, how about combining;

Cauterets and the Col du Tourmalet ?
Orlu and the Plateau du Bielle (16km at 8%) ?
Eus and Mont Tauch (6km up to 22%) ?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 25, 2008, 09:02:06 pm
That sounds a fun little trip Percy. Don't forget the gradients are average, there are sections on those around 20%. Apparently the first ramp on Alp d'Heuz puts the fear of god in your stomach, not to mention the 21 hair-pins.

Norfolk - what's the point of riding on the flat. Hills = pain = fun.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 26, 2008, 09:32:28 am

Norfolk - what's the point of riding on the flat. Hills = pain = fun.

Absolutely, hills are great.

New PB on Froggatt last night - 14.23. Still a minute behind Fatkid though, and the breeze was pretty favourable.

I'd love to do some of the Alpine Passes, they look fantastic. Not so keen on the descents though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 26, 2008, 09:40:20 am
The descents are the only reason to ride up alpine cols in my opinion! An hour or more grinding away up unrelenting gradient can only truly be rewarded by a nice view followed by a 80kph descent down a vertiginous set of hairpins, overtaking motorists as you go... one of the few times a push-bike is by far and away a more rapid mode of transport than a car!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 26, 2008, 09:53:02 am
I think that I've got too much imagination to enjoy the descents - I get rather nervous over about 65kph. Punctures, sheep, potholes, stem bolts, carbon steerers, road/hip interface all go through my mind!

Saw the aftermath of a few nasty incidents on the Whitton which didn't help either.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 26, 2008, 09:53:52 am
one of the few times a push-bike is by far and away a more rapid mode of transport than a car!

Most cyclists have a distinct advantage in gridlocked cities these days, although I doubt many people hit 80kph on bikes.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 26, 2008, 10:55:14 am
That's the beauty of many alpine descents though - wide sweeping bends with good visibility and good road surfaces where you can really let the bike run, coupled with sections of hairpins where a degree of careful planning, braking and bike control should see you right. Combine this with riding on tubs (which should see you stay upright in the event of a blowout) and getting some new brakepads before the trip normally makes descending a little less spicy. Riding slightly lower tyre pressures is a good banker too. The rims heat up due to all the braking whilst descending, causing tyres that already have high pressures in them to go pop - not a good idea!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 26, 2008, 12:02:53 pm
Never ridden in the Alps, but I'm sure the roads are an awful lot better for quick descents rather than the bone shaking pot-holes of Derbyshire and Sheffield.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 26, 2008, 12:25:10 pm
the snake with no traffic last winter was the best road descent of my life
 ;D

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 26, 2008, 12:54:30 pm
Anybody on for a Sunday morning spin again? Weather dependant of course.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 26, 2008, 01:06:08 pm
I should be able to get out for a Sunday ride, just need to sort my bottom bracket out - it / the crankset started creaking real bad yesterday on the way home. Has anybody got the tools - campag I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 26, 2008, 02:28:39 pm
i dont.... but will the big s xternal tool not fit?? what you doing.... removing and greasing?? give me a txt mate...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 27, 2008, 04:48:59 pm
Not got round to sorting my BB but have just read a review of the new Super Record groupset - yet another way for me to spend cash, and buy another bike.  ;D

Think I may be taking over fatdoc's crown as the gear freak.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 27, 2008, 05:06:55 pm
That sounds a fun little trip Percy. Don't forget the gradients are average, there are sections on those around 20%. Apparently the first ramp on Alp d'Heuz puts the fear of god in your stomach, not to mention the 21 hair-pins.

Norfolk - what's the point of riding on the flat. Hills = pain = fun.
I'm working down here at the mo so no choice I'm afraid.
Perce Its got to be the Madonne as well at 17K & 7.5% + the opportunity to be Lance (only slower and with more testicles).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 27, 2008, 07:09:40 pm
OK - Madone on the  list too!

On a technical note, does anybody have any experience with tubeless tyres? Was chatting to the boys in Butterworths today on how to reduce the weight of your wheels and reduce the chance of nasty blow-outs on alpine descents and they produced a set of Hutchinson tubeless tyres and said they would sort both problems. Wheels will be lighter as they no longer will have an inner tube in them, and tubeless tyres puncture like tubular tyres - a slow, gradual release of pressure and can be ridden flat, as well as being fixable with latex sealer or just by popping an inner tube in them temporarily. Seem to kill a number of birds with one stone. Anybody tried them?

I think that you need compatible wheels for tubeless tyres, although Mavic Ksyriums and R-Sys seem compatible I don't know about other brands of wheels.... Could be a good way of avoiding spending a lot of money on some new light wheels that use tubs, although Joe at Bicicleta showed me the wheels he has on his bike the other day - a pair of these would also fit my requirements, although they seem a little pricey. Whilst they weigh in at an unbelievable 870 grams for the pair, the price tag nudging £2K was off-putting to say the least. Check them out - http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=366

Without doubt, some of the most beautiful cycling equipment I have ever laid hands on! Oh, for bottomless pockets....... ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 27, 2008, 09:04:12 pm
Does he actually ride these £2K wheels anywhere need Sheffield - I certainly wouldn't. If the wheels are £2K how much is his frame worth?


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 27, 2008, 09:47:31 pm
Those are his regular wheels! I would imagine the rest of the bike that goes with it is similarly specced. The joys of owning your own bike shop! Mind you, my climbing wall is pretty well specced compared to most climbers cellar boards.... :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 28, 2008, 09:39:35 am
thats a matter of conjecture...


 :P
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 28, 2008, 11:11:01 am
http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=366 (http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=366)

nice one, i just found some alloy forks on there, ive been looking for a while but could only find carbon ones. now i can get some forks that i can get powder coated along with the frame of my fixie (pink i think). where is that shop?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 28, 2008, 05:52:12 pm
Those are his regular wheels! I would imagine the rest of the bike that goes with it is similarly specced. The joys of owning your own bike shop! Mind you, my climbing wall is pretty well specced compared to most climbers cellar boards.... :whistle:

I'm just trying to think what perks I get from my job - I'm struggling to think of any. Night shifts ... :-\ ...Not for much longer though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: erm, sam on June 29, 2008, 10:34:11 pm
I know this isn't what most of you aspire to bike wise, but I thought I'd post up mrs erm, sam's new bike. It is rad, handy for the weekly shop and we have even had one brief misson with the entire family on board! Makes two kidding it with no car a path.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3155/2621766343_77468680a6_o.jpg)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 29, 2008, 10:47:30 pm
OK - Madone on the  list too!

On a technical note, does anybody have any experience with tubeless tyres? Was chatting to the boys in Butterworths today on how to reduce the weight of your wheels and reduce the chance of nasty blow-outs on alpine descents and they produced a set of Hutchinson tubeless tyres and said they would sort both problems. Wheels will be lighter as they no longer will have an inner tube in them, and tubeless tyres puncture like tubular tyres - a slow, gradual release of pressure and can be ridden flat, as well as being fixable with latex sealer or just by popping an inner tube in them temporarily. Seem to kill a number of birds with one stone. Anybody tried them?

I think that you need compatible wheels for tubeless tyres, although Mavic Ksyriums and R-Sys seem compatible I don't know about other brands of wheels.... Could be a good way of avoiding spending a lot of money on some new light wheels that use tubs, although Joe at Bicicleta showed me the wheels he has on his bike the other day - a pair of these would also fit my requirements, although they seem a little pricey. Whilst they weigh in at an unbelievable 870 grams for the pair, the price tag nudging £2K was off-putting to say the least. Check them out - http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=366 (http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=366)

Without doubt, some of the most beautiful cycling equipment I have ever laid hands on! Oh, for bottomless pockets....... ;D
I'm trying to get my mate Gary to start posting  as he is the font of all bike knowledge. He deffo rides tubs Carbon on his trigon, and swears by them for things like the etap. I'll mither him this week to post about his experiences.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on June 29, 2008, 10:52:12 pm
Oh btw Perce Gary got his carbon tubs locally. He thinks it was at Bicicleta, but when they had just started up, (before they had the shop) and he got a really, really good deal. I'll get the details.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Paul B on June 29, 2008, 11:07:51 pm
Sorry for this blatant hijack:

A mate recently had this:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/Picture1.jpg)

stolen from devonshire green skate park on sun the 15th.

Its now got a brown saddle and a smooth rear tyre (DMR transition)

The CRANKS were also REPlACED WITH SHIMANO DEORE HOLLOWTECH 2 WITH SINGLE RING

he's offering a 100 quid reward for its return, if anyone has seen it or does see it please email whatever@gmx.co.uk

I think its already been spotted once in Sheffield (Gleadless area I think?)...Thanks people and sorry again for the hi-jack...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 30, 2008, 09:45:08 am
I'm not sure anybody who rides a roadbike will be riding anywhere near anybody on a BMX, Paul, but I'm sure if we overtake anybody spinning the pecker gear on that machine we'll let your mate know...

 ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on June 30, 2008, 09:51:00 am
I know this isn't what most of you aspire to bike wise, but I thought I'd post up mrs erm, sam's new bike. It is rad, handy for the weekly shop and we have even had one brief misson with the entire family on board! Makes two kidding it with no car a path.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3155/2621766343_77468680a6_o.jpg)



How does the steering work???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 30, 2008, 10:01:00 am

How does the steering work???

When you want to go left, you turn the handle-bars to the left, and when you want to go right....

I'd guess its something to do with the thin tubes that are attached to the top of the forks, they're probably attached to the steering stem around the point that is obscured by the kiddy-basket.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 30, 2008, 03:22:38 pm
At long last re-surfacing work has started on the bit of road that links Owler Bar roundabout to Fox House (formerly known as one of the shitest road-surfaces in the Peak). I have no idea if the job is being done properly or if their just throwing a load of tar and chippings on it, but anything will be better than what was there before. In the meantime I'd give going that way a miss - long queues and a convoy system are currently doing a great job of fucking the traffic up!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 30, 2008, 04:01:02 pm
thank God for that.....

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 30, 2008, 05:33:27 pm
Well at last the sun has come out and I'm going quicker!! Just knocked 3 mins of my commute home. Well chuffed. Although my heart-rate maxed at 195 - OMG!!
Bad news is that I can't do the Leg breaker - on weekend of 18/7/08 - had to do some swops at work so I can have a holiday.

If anybody wants the place let me know - I only entered the short course (85 Km ish), but I think its fairly easy to upgrade to the medium (130Km) or long (165Km).

Come on fatdoc - get back on that road bike - you know you want to. 

Road - resurfacing - are you sure that you weren't hallucinating Percy, surely not!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Ariegeoise on June 30, 2008, 07:21:46 pm
OK - Madone on the  list too!

On a technical note, does anybody have any experience with tubeless tyres? Was chatting to the boys in Butterworths today on how to reduce the weight of your wheels and reduce the chance of nasty blow-outs on alpine descents and they produced a set of Hutchinson tubeless tyres and said they would sort both problems. Wheels will be lighter as they no longer will have an inner tube in them, and tubeless tyres puncture like tubular tyres - a slow, gradual release of pressure and can be ridden flat, as well as being fixable with latex sealer or just by popping an inner tube in them temporarily. Seem to kill a number of birds with one stone. Anybody tried them?

I think that you need compatible wheels for tubeless tyres, although Mavic Ksyriums and R-Sys seem compatible I don't know about other brands of wheels.... Could be a good way of avoiding spending a lot of money on some new light wheels that use tubs, although Joe at Bicicleta showed me the wheels he has on his bike the other day - a pair of these would also fit my requirements, although they seem a little pricey. Whilst they weigh in at an unbelievable 870 grams for the pair, the price tag nudging £2K was off-putting to say the least. Check them out - http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=366 (http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=366)

Without doubt, some of the most beautiful cycling equipment I have ever laid hands on! Oh, for bottomless pockets....... ;D
Well howdie folks
Can't help with the tubeless area but I've been using tubs on some carbon HED 202's for the last couple of years and have yet to get a puncture so I think they're tops, got the wheels from Bicicleta and I think they weigh about 1050 grams a pair and cost 400 quid so not a costly option really, using Continental competition tyres, one of which I wore down to the canvas and it still didn't puncture so what more can you ask of a tyre. If you're up against the clock or being chased by the broom wagon then the tubs do take longer to change (about 20 mins) but as I said I've not had a blow out yet (Ooh let's tempt fate as I'm doing the Etape on Sunday) Anyway, I think most of the pro's still use tubs so that must mean something. Hope this helps Percy. Get some tubs then there will be at least 2 of us out there. Cheers
Gary
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 30, 2008, 07:31:33 pm
Cheers for that Gary. I have a pair of Planet X Carbon 50's that have a pair of Tufo tubs on that I use on and off. Having spent an afternoon in the garage tweaking the setup of my bike I've decided to go tubular and have stuck the carbon rims on for the summer. Rode them for a couple of hours this morning and ended wondering why I ever stopped using tubs - quick as owt! The Planet X wheels are way lighter than my Ksyriums too, so I think that problems sorted. I've never had problems riding tubs, and have a little cylinder of latex sealer if I ever get a puncture - its a lot easier than carrying a spare tub (as long as you don't get a big hole in your tyre that the sealer won't fill!) However, touch wood, I've not yet punctured any of the two sets of tubs I've had, so they seem like a good option. The only thing I'm not to fond off is the slightly more 'exciting' brake performance of carbon rims, as well as the breake squeal! Maybe a new pair of carbon-specific brake pads is on the cards.....

Just read that Floyd Landis just lost his appeal against his drugs ban so thats the end of that story.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 30, 2008, 07:40:30 pm
I rode some carbon wheels last summer - utterly gorgeous and seriously quick. They were built on Tune hubs, and run on Tubs. Think they were worth about £1500. Anyway I can't buy anymore bike related kit - until at least next summer. I'm researching what to buy - and that 11 speed super record groupset looks the dogs bollocks. Just need to find a frame.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Ariegeoise on June 30, 2008, 07:45:31 pm
I like the squeeling brake effect it's great for getting some room on the road going into a Pyrenean hairpin at stupid speed, I've just started using some cork blocks on the front brake so will see how they go and let you know, don't use the same blocks for carbon that you've used for alloy as they may have small bits of metal in them which will shred you carbon rims, that's what I was told anyway
cheers
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: carefultorque on June 30, 2008, 11:17:15 pm
On yet another note, my wife has a clunky bike and wants to buy a better one for commuting 20 miles a day as fast as she can. 

She loves stroking single speed bikes but recognises the perils: thigh hypertrophy, slow start away from lights, rubbish uphill until each thigh is waist-diameter.

Most of the people she's asked have a blind spot so it's hard to get a balanced appraisal. 

What d'ya think?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Paul B on June 30, 2008, 11:26:34 pm
I'm not sure anybody who rides a roadbike will be riding anywhere near anybody on a BMX, Paul, but I'm sure if we overtake anybody spinning the pecker gear on that machine we'll let your mate know...

 ;)

well you never can be sure just what people are into  :-[....on a slightly comical note, the poor bugger had a Santa Cruz Bullit (???) nicked as well not too long ago. It was returned safely when the dumb witted thief took it into decathlon to have the tyres pumped up!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 30, 2008, 11:36:09 pm
On yet another note, my wife has a clunky bike and wants to buy a better one for commuting 20 miles a day as fast as she can. 

She loves stroking single speed bikes but recognises the perils: thigh hypertrophy, slow start away from lights, rubbish uphill until each thigh is waist-diameter.

Most of the people she's asked have a blind spot so it's hard to get a balanced appraisal. 

What d'ya think?

If you live somewhere flatish then it could be an option. Personally I think the whole fixie/single speed thing is more about fashion than practicality - a single speed bike is of little use if you want to ride anywhere hilly unless you are a powerful monster (he says remembering the bloke on a fixie who overtook me and Fatdoc on Froggatt hill!)

I favour a bike with gears for the road, and have a fixed wheel track bike for the track. I far prefer having a versitile machine to ride on the road (but then again, I do live on the edge of the peak, and a single gear round would be madness - way too hilly). If I lived in Lahndahn and was commuting everyday, I'd maybe consider a fixie but otherwise no way!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on July 01, 2008, 02:45:05 am
think this looks like a sensible commuter: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360032997&N=Charge%20Mixer (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360032997&N=Charge%20Mixer)
(http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/charge-mixer-07.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Cookie on July 01, 2008, 10:50:04 am
I've just come back from a semi-leisurely 10 mile ride in the blazing sunshine and am sweating in a most unladylike manner!  Bring on a nice cool breeze anyday.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on July 01, 2008, 11:12:23 am
On the single speed thing, it totally depends on the commute. If it is solely for a messenger/commuter/hack machine then it's great to have a no maintenance bike. If you live in sheffield then you'd be seriously limited in what you could do. Those San Francisco messengers who use fixies are total fashion vicitms, makes sense in a flat city like London (or in my case Dublin), otherwise, in hilly terrain your knees are going to explode.
The pros use them in winter for training - something about improving your "souplesse".
I like that Gazelle cabby bike by the way, not sure if both my six year old boys would both fit in it, but if they did, I'd probably try and get one!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 01, 2008, 01:55:02 pm
if i wanted a "cool" bike i would get a pashley. this one (below) has a three speed hub gear, and i think it looks bad ass, if i could i would get one for my ride to work.
(http://www.pashley.co.uk/cms/products/main_31.jpeg)

as for the fixed thing. i ride a track bike with a front brake around preston (pretty flat - there is still one hill i am yet to get up in the centre of the city, soon soon!), i could not imagine riding one in sheffield let alone SF, your knees would be fucked in a few days! but as far as something fun to play about on/ride to the pub/commute/project to build yourself i could think of no better way to waste your cash.

by the way. if you are based in the north west (or further afield) and are after a hack to ride with a small budget "GBH Custom Hacks". (16, Whittle St, Manchester) are sound guys with a real reuse, recycle ethic, i poped in for a chat, really nice blokes, top mechanics and they can build you a bike according to your desires (they have a few to ride away) and budget, anything from 75 quid upwards from what i could work out. and...they will soon have some velocity deepV's for you fashion victims (me).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on July 01, 2008, 11:41:32 pm
Not sure if the singlespeed comments are directed at me, but the Charge has got the new shimano 8-speed hub on.

Fixed is great fun and pretty much maintenence free, I don't own any freewheels, but my bikes are, as Chappers has said, mainly used around town (Bristol). I imagine Shef would be more challenging! (I've got an on-one il pompino which is fairly sensible, and this (http://velospace.org/node/4144), which isn't.)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 02, 2008, 08:46:36 am
single speeds used to be all the rage for winter training something like 42x18 usually combined with a frame made from japanese gas pipes and steel rimed wheels.
you had to man up to get up the hills or get good at walking.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 02, 2008, 11:18:38 am
Single-speed / fixed is all very trendy for those rapha wearing trendy London city boys who think they are a bike courier but for those who live in a hilly place like Sheffield a total pain. Mind you they used fixed wheels on the early days of the tours, and switched the hub round for the descent - truely hard men.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 02, 2008, 11:51:15 am
Aye - riding a fixie is trendy, and I'm not, so bollocks to it! On a more positive note (and while we're contemplating people developing a whole new rash of knee injuries trying to ride a single gear bike...) I have just got back from my first ride in 6 months without any significant knee pain  :thumbsup:

I switched cranks (again) and am now riding 175's which I hope are long enough for me to ride long hills with no knee pain. So far, so good. I'm psyched again!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on July 02, 2008, 01:37:09 pm
Not sure if the singlespeed comments are directed at me, but the Charge has got the new shimano 8-speed hub on

Nobody in mind with the fixed comments from my point of view. They have their place. I started back in sheffield, on my return recently with an old twelve speeder with a 18-12 block on the back. I live in Crookes and Conduit road was a real pain, so I had to get a better spread of gears. Dublin's flat so I single speeded(!?) there, filmy winter road grime killed my groupset., so I just kept taking broken bits off the bike and hey! single speed. riding around the Langsett, strines area etc is too much for me without a serious granny gear. As one of the guys here said, its also great riding.
you used to be able to get a cheap old bike which you could make a fixed for a few quid. Now you can sell any old piece of shit on ebay for over £100 as long as you say fixed or singlespeed in the description. On a more interesting note, I remember reading years ago about some monster doing Winnats on a fixed!

On your comment Percy, that's interesting that 175's have sorted your knees (I'm assuming you were on 170ish before). I thought longer cranks were generally more stressful on knees. I guess it's all about specific fit issues eh? Is that what you were advised to do after your fit consultation at la Bicicleta? I can't afford to even look through their shop window, but one day.......
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 02, 2008, 05:47:22 pm
Did anyone read about this site in the Guardian the other day?
http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ (http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/)

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/16nine/2620031531/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/16nine/2620856894/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/16nine/2592650623/)
That's a Dursley-Pedersen - I'm apparently being left one in a will...
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/16nine/2609808235/)
(http://bp3.blogger.com/_kSNVKrktKUQ/SGFJwjv6Y2I/AAAAAAAABjA/ySTVEJM0VtA/s1600-h/stills_4.jpg)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 02, 2008, 05:48:11 pm
why won't those hot danish links work?!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 02, 2008, 08:31:36 pm
On your comment Percy, that's interesting that 175's have sorted your knees (I'm assuming you were on 170ish before). I thought longer cranks were generally more stressful on knees. I guess it's all about specific fit issues eh? Is that what you were advised to do after your fit consultation at la Bicicleta? I can't afford to even look through their shop window, but one day.......

The guys at Bicicleta told me to hang fire on going with longer cranks once they'd tweaked my position on the bike until I'd ridden for a few weeks and I was sure that my knees had not improved. The position change worked well as regards reducing knee stress ('cos they moved me forward on the bike so I could spin the pedals at a higher cadence in a lower gear) but I was still getting tweaky after an hour in the saddle. The bike fit did highlight that I have very long femurs, so increasing crank length was the next port of call. Changed my 172.5's for 175's and its made a huge difference. Who'd of thought that an extra 2.5mm of length could be so beneficial (as the actress said to the bishop...)!

As a rule of thumb, the bigger you are, the longer the cranks you need. As regards knee stress - longer cranks increase the range of movement your knee goes through each pedal revolution so can aggravate some knee complaints, but it also increases the ammount of leverage and power you can put through the cranks so means that it requires less effort to turn the gears (and thus puts less stress on the knee joint).

As ever, its all swings and roundabouts, and what works for one person might not work for others, blah, blah, blah!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on July 02, 2008, 09:16:28 pm
Good luck on the etap Ariegeoise, and let us know how you did.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 03, 2008, 08:33:02 am

As a rule of thumb, the bigger you are, the longer the cranks you need. As regards knee stress - longer cranks increase the range of movement your knee goes through each pedal revolution so can aggravate some knee complaints, but it also increases the ammount of leverage and power you can put through the cranks so means that it requires less effort to turn the gears (and thus puts less stress on the knee joint).

As ever, its all swings and roundabouts, and what works for one person might not work for others, blah, blah, blah!
don't most mountain bikes come with 175s as standard.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on July 03, 2008, 09:24:42 am
That's very interesting, it sounds as though the consultation made a big difference eh? money well spent? 172.5 to 175 isn't such a big jump but in terms of leverage I can see how it could make all the difference.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 03, 2008, 09:40:18 am
Percy - how much is this bike fit thing - I'm getting shoulder pain - and I think I need to get wider bars + it would improve the bikes handling.
Anybody doing the La Marmotte or L'etape this weekend?? I've heard there are some people doing both!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 06, 2008, 11:06:49 am
£30 for an hour long fitting session is what I paid. Well worth it if you're feeling tweaky, and saves you money buying new bits to try and sort a problem out.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 06, 2008, 04:08:17 pm
this may have been done before... recommend me a helmet.

(smashed mine up today crashing my bike on the forest of bowland, lucky it was my winter bike - needs a new back wheel, fully fucked myself up on a 20% decent - i feel quite lucky to still be here!!!).

i was thinking about a catlike whisper......??????

http://www.prendas.co.uk/details.asp?ID=1836 (http://www.prendas.co.uk/details.asp?ID=1836)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 06, 2008, 09:27:58 pm
I use a Giro Atmos, which I like. Helmets are a bit tricky to buy - just try a load on and go for the one that feels comfiest rather than the best looking one. The aesthetics are irrelevant - nobody looks good in a helmet! (But by the same virtue nobody looks good in the morgue, so always wear one. Its way too easy to get nailed on a road bike not to.) The dudes I see out in their trendy Rapha caps and no lid have no idea of the carnage that will be unleashed if they crash hard or have some cock open their car door on them. I guess its an experience thing - having crashed a few times I know I won't go out without one on!

Glad to hear you're not too fucked up Chappers. Crashing is a painful business, but almost always inevitable if you ride a bike for long enough. I have a perfect and permenant large road rash scar on my hip as a memento of my last unplanned dismount. Any good gravel rash? Clean really well if you've got some - gets nasty if it goes septic!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on July 07, 2008, 12:28:08 am
I never used a helmet riding on the road. apparently wearing one makes you twice as likely to be hit by a car, (statistically drivers perceive you as less vulnerable and take less care). Mad innit? I'm guessing you had a spill on the mountain bike? that's a different kettle of fish!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: BVT on July 07, 2008, 08:44:33 am

As a rule of thumb, the bigger you are, the longer the cranks you need. As regards knee stress - longer cranks increase the range of movement your knee goes through each pedal revolution so can aggravate some knee complaints, but it also increases the ammount of leverage and power you can put through the cranks so means that it requires less effort to turn the gears (and thus puts less stress on the knee joint).

As ever, its all swings and roundabouts, and what works for one person might not work for others, blah, blah, blah!

Putting longer cranks on just lowers the gear presented at the pedal - the power still comes from the rider and unfortunately you can't magically increase it.  It's easy to mistake something feeling different with actually being better, especially in the short term.

Most people ride with too long cranks: I'd go for shorter cranks, lower gears and spinning more, but as you say we're all different.

I'd also be careful about making big changes to a riding position over too short a time if you are doing heavy mileage but it sounds like you're getting advice.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on July 07, 2008, 09:16:53 am
this may have been done before... recommend me a helmet.

(smashed mine up today crashing my bike on the forest of bowland, lucky it was my winter bike - needs a new back wheel, fully fucked myself up on a 20% decent - i feel quite lucky to still be here!!!).

i was thinking about a catlike whisper......??????

http://www.prendas.co.uk/details.asp?ID=1836 (http://www.prendas.co.uk/details.asp?ID=1836)


What kind of helmet was it?  Giro apparently give you money off a new one if you've got your smashed up one, but you'd have to look at the details of this.

Quote
I never used a helmet riding on the road. apparently wearing one makes you twice as likely to be hit by a car, (statistically drivers perceive you as less vulnerable and take less care). Mad innit? I'm guessing you had a spill on the mountain bike? that's a different kettle of fish!

I don't doubt you read/heard something that said that, but I don't believe it.  1) You can use statistics to prove whatever you want. 2) I can't believe motorists would think that much when faced with situation involving cyclists.

I think chappers would have been on a road bike.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on July 07, 2008, 10:06:04 am
Quote
I never used a helmet riding on the road. apparently wearing one makes you twice as likely to be hit by a car, (statistically drivers perceive you as less vulnerable and take less care). Mad innit? I'm guessing you had a spill on the mountain bike? that's a different kettle of fish!

I don't doubt you read/heard something that said that, but I don't believe it.  1) You can use statistics to prove whatever you want. 2) I can't believe motorists would think that much when faced with situation involving cyclists.

Statistics can indeed be used to "prove" anything, the challenge is to have a clearly defined question in the first place and to ensure that you collect the data appropriate to answering your question as well as data on anything that may confound your analysis.

Q. Does wearing helmets decrease your chance of getting hit by a car?

A. ???  Haven't found anything substantial yet in a few cursory literature searches.

More importantly though is the question....

Q. Does wearing a helmet reduce the risk of head injury should you be involved in an accident?

A. Yes it does.  Even though its intuitive there is actually little proper data despite helmets having been around for a long time.  A systematic Cochrane Review (http://www.cochrhane.org/) performed meta-analysis of five case-control studies identified from literature searches and found that overall wearing a helmet reduced the risk of head, facial or brain injuries by between 63 to 88%, and that they provided equal levels of protection for injuries involving motor vehicles and all other causes.  Not sure if everyone will be able to view it, but the full article for those interested can be read DC Thompson, FP Rivara, R Thompson (1999) Helmets for preventing head and facial injuries in bicyclists. Cochrane Review Library Issue 4 (http://www.mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD001855/frame.html)

Theres also an interesting article the quarterly journal of the Royal Statistical Society Significance (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118500352/home).  It points out that there is the possibility of risk compensation whereby a cyclist wearing a helmet feels safer and therefore engages in more risk-taking behavior whilst cycling, thus increasing their risk of having an accident in the first place and therefore wearing a helmet has overall no net reduction in risk, but there is no compelling evidence to support this theory in full.  Again not sure if you'll all be able to view this but the article is online at Cook A (2004) Mind your Head. Significance 1[]/b]:162-163 (http://).

I'd agree that most motorists don't consciously think about how much distance to leave when passing cyclists.  A significant proportion don't even seem to notice cyclists at all!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: dave on July 07, 2008, 10:57:30 am
as a motorist who isn't a cyclist I can assue you that i'm not looking out for if a cyclist is wearing a helmet when overtaking. i certainly don't think "hey he's got a helmet on, i'll swing the passenger door open as I pass him".

theres no doubt some dubious statistics available that say stuff like "drivers are less likely to have a crash if they DON'T wear a seatbelt", or drink driving is actually safer, or that smoking actually improves your health, but we all know its bullshit. Wear a helmet guys - you may worry that it makes you look uncool, but I can assure you its the gaudy lycra with a strip of muddy water sprayed up your back that making you look like a tool, not the helmet.  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on July 07, 2008, 11:15:06 am
Some of the stats on this may have come from the fact that in countries like Holland, where lots of people don't wear helmets, the accident/damage rate is low, whereas in places like the Uk where most people do where helmets the accident/damage rate is higher.

In fact the reason for this statistic has a lot more to do with the environment that the cyclist have to ride their bikes than their helmet wearing tendencies, ie. in Holland there are lots more cycle lanes, and car free areas compared with the UK where we have to share the narrow roads with cars.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on July 07, 2008, 12:21:38 pm
Some of the stats on this may have come from the fact that in countries like Holland, where lots of people don't wear helmets, the accident/damage rate is low, whereas in places like the Uk where most people do where helmets the accident/damage rate is higher.

In fact the reason for this statistic has a lot more to do with the environment that the cyclist have to ride their bikes than their helmet wearing tendencies, ie. in Holland there are lots more cycle lanes, and car free areas compared with the UK where we have to share the narrow roads with cars.

Plus given that in Holland cycling is a popular, both to watch and participate in, I would imagine drivers show more respect to the cyclists on the road. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on July 07, 2008, 01:18:19 pm
Some of the stats on this may have come from the fact that in countries like Holland, where lots of people don't wear helmets, the accident/damage rate is low, whereas in places like the Uk where most people do where helmets the accident/damage rate is higher.

Not in the paper cited, the meta-analysis includes studies done in the UK, USA and Australia, the studies identified as part of the meta-analysis and subsequently  included/excluded are given on the review itself (you'd have to read the Cochrane Review to find out the inclusion/exclusion criteria, I shan't bother reguritating it here, but studies would genearlly be excluded through poor study design or insufficent reporting of results).

In fact the reason for this statistic has a lot more to do with the environment that the cyclist have to ride their bikes than their helmet wearing tendencies, ie. in Holland there are lots more cycle lanes, and car free areas compared with the UK where we have to share the narrow roads with cars.

All confounders as to whether wearing a helmet increases the risk of having an accident in the first place (also includes the risk compensation aspect mentioned below).  Obviously it would be desirable to identify what increases the risk of having an accident and try and prevent them from occuring in the first place, but thats far more complex to identify (due to all the confounders mentioned and more) than accepting that accidents will happen and then seeking to minimise the injuries that arise.  The evidence indicates that if you do have an accident wearing a helmet reduces your risk of head injuries irrespective of the cause (be it vehicular or otherwise).  Thus as Dave and Percy say, wear a helmet if your worried about your grey matter.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 07, 2008, 03:43:11 pm
i was on a road bike.

fully over the bars at about 40mph on a wet greasy road. good quality rash on my shoulder which is also now really really stiff. (one last big ride out before my sportive next weekend i thought to myself! what a twat). winds me up that i was going so well too. squeek and others may know these hills: jeffery hill (longridge) waddington fell, trough of bowland, and they all felt piss, 5 miles from the cafe at scorton and over i go!!

it was my first major spill, just glad that i didnt take any of the lads that i was riding with out and that im still here to tell you boys, not in hospital.

cost of crash: new helmet, new back wheel (my bike is insured but the excess is 60 and it was an askium race on my winter bike so bollocks to it).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: BVT on July 08, 2008, 08:32:43 am
I was bike touring in a remote part of Spain a while back and came across an unconscious cyclist lying in a pool of blood.  Really nasty head injuries, and it was an anxious wait trying to look after him until the professionals arrived.  Something had gone into his front wheel at speed on the descent and sent him over the bars straight onto his head.  A helmet wouldn't have left him completely unscathed (nose and lips ripped off), but the really dangerous looking hits around the temple and front of his head might have been ameliorated.  After that experience it was never too hot for me to wear a helmet - it only takes a second to wreck your life and that little bit of plastic might save you.

No idea what happened to the chap I found, the last i saw of him was being carted off in an ambulance.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 08, 2008, 10:12:18 am
I really don't understand people that don't when a lid when cycling. There are numerous stats around that claim to show that you are no better off wearing one than not. Granted people die from chest & abdominal injuries caused by bike injuries and thus a helmet would have made no difference - however if your head is involved in the accident at least a helmet may make some difference & maybe even save your life. There is a chap where I work who had a crash on an Alpine descent - and suffered a major head injury - he had his temporal lobe removed on one side and is now disfigured due to the skull they removed at the time. He admits he was f***ing lucky and was lucky to be riding with 2 anaesthetists and had an operation seldom performed in certain parts of the UK. He was wearing a helmet and would have certainly died at the scene had he not been. You may look stupid wearing one, but at least it may make that little bit of difference.

I ride in a Spesh 2D Decibel - really comfortable and amazingly light. I think there are other helmets with better vents but I like the comfort this helmet provides.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 08, 2008, 12:49:51 pm
Ok, mate at work just read this over my shoulder...

and asked


"so, how many of these lot wear a helmet when climbing?"


Not too shabby a question I thought.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on July 08, 2008, 01:06:05 pm
I always wear a helmet trad climbing.  I don't wear one bouldering, just like I don't wear a cycling helmet on my turbo trainer.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 08, 2008, 01:20:57 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 08, 2008, 01:44:39 pm
I always wear a helmet trad climbing.  I don't wear one bouldering, just like I don't wear a cycling helmet on my turbo trainer.

I'm in this group as well.

Mind you I remember a guy who came into the Northern with a head injury and ended up having surgery who had been bouldering, not sure how far he fell but it was less than 3m. Then again there was a lady admitted to ITU this weekend who tripped over and banged her head on a kerb stone - sometimes shit happens. If we didn't take part in these activities we'd all be boring, divorced and probably indulging in other risky activities.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 09, 2008, 06:28:40 pm
what about these?:

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/productdetail.asp?productcatalogue=SHIMWHFR875 (http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/productdetail.asp?productcatalogue=SHIMWHFR875)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 09, 2008, 07:16:11 pm
what about these?:

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/productdetail.asp?productcatalogue=SHIMWHFR875 (http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/productdetail.asp?productcatalogue=SHIMWHFR875)



They've had good reviews - but I've never ridden a pair of big S's wheels.

Me want......http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/3339 (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/3339)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 10, 2008, 11:25:54 am
question:

how good are planetX wheels? the model B? anyone ride these, percy?
they seem really light for not much money, will the build quality be anywhere near shimano?
(i am willing to spend 400 quid, but i would rather not!!)
cheers, chris.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 10, 2008, 11:27:27 am
forget that, i have just found the bit on their site that refers to higher spec wheels...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 10, 2008, 06:06:57 pm
I remember somebody asking on here about the 'bike to work' scheme being offered on the NHS - apparently the Northern General / STH trust in Sheffield is starting to do it from September. Has anyone bought a bike with the scheme?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on July 10, 2008, 06:48:21 pm
To follow on from the helmet discusion, I noticed the other day that the accursed JE James has some pretty hefty reductions on Met helmets, including the Stradivarius 199 at half price (down to £75). I think I might just get myself one of those.

It was me asking about the NHS bike to work, but my missus is in Rotherham, so it might not help her.

There was an amusingly crap discussion on Breakfast this morning about helmet wearing, not the best debate in the world.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 10, 2008, 08:15:02 pm
Regarding the bike to work scheme, just thought it may help if one local trust is doing it - it may make it harder for another to flatly refuse to take part. On the face of it, it seems a good scheme - but I'm sure there must be strings attached.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on July 10, 2008, 08:27:23 pm
Regarding helmets, the "more likely to be hit" report is this one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/somerset/5334208.stm)  :-\

Also regarding helmets, I recently bought a new one which is made with a process called InMold. Without doing any research at all I suspect that this is some way of bonding the plastic shell to the shock-absorbing stuff in the mold it's formed in, thus giving more strength and allowing more ventilation.

Very nice, however, if anyone is thinking of buying a helmet with big, lovely, cooling airvents then make sure that there is insect netting. Mine doesn't and now that summer is here, I regularly have the un-nerving sensation of something bouncing off my scalp then wriggling next to it. It's surely only a matter of time before my head scoops up a bee/wasp/sparrow.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 11, 2008, 08:34:01 am
Regarding the bike to work scheme, just thought it may help if one local trust is doing it - it may make it harder for another to flatly refuse to take part. On the face of it, it seems a good scheme - but I'm sure there must be strings attached.
we've got one here at humber m/h trust its with halfords.i think it was about 10% discount and some tax evasion thingy,also i think there was a £1000 limit.
it didn't seem that good but as i wasn't looking for a new bike i didn't pay that much attention to it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 11, 2008, 08:55:03 pm
Here we go again with a drug infested tour
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tour-flash-manuel-beltran-accused-of-doping-17501 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tour-flash-manuel-beltran-accused-of-doping-17501)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/7502763.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/7502763.stm)




Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 12, 2008, 09:18:38 am
Regarding the bike to work scheme, just thought it may help if one local trust is doing it - it may make it harder for another to flatly refuse to take part. On the face of it, it seems a good scheme - but I'm sure there must be strings attached.
we've got one here at humber m/h trust its with halfords.i think it was about 10% discount and some tax evasion thingy,also i think there was a £1000 limit.
it didn't seem that good but as i wasn't looking for a new bike i didn't pay that much attention to it.

would get me my next mtb frame thou...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 12, 2008, 10:23:30 pm
i suspect riding what mark cavendish is on at present might be a worth while purchase as it appears to be the fastest bike in the world over 200 metres.
even after its done 180k to get there.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on July 13, 2008, 09:22:54 am
You'll have to wait til next year to buy one

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2008/probikes/?id=mark_cavendish_giant08 (http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2008/probikes/?id=mark_cavendish_giant08)

http://www.bikeradar.com/racing/article/pro-bike-giant-unveils-proto-2009-tcr-advanced--14592?img=2 (http://www.bikeradar.com/racing/article/pro-bike-giant-unveils-proto-2009-tcr-advanced--14592?img=2)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 14, 2008, 03:00:16 pm
well i bloody did it.
the southern uplands sportive was a great event, well organised, one for the 2009 diary. the course was long at 105miles, and had two very hard climbs in it, one at 20% for a mile, and another at the end for a mountain top finish.
it took me 6hrs and 19 mins, which i am pretty happy with for my first sportive.

question: i spent quite a bit of time on my own, i found it hard to get a group going because everybody rides at such different speeds, is this useual? i am used to riding in a bunch on club rides and found this harder because people rode on their own!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on July 14, 2008, 09:17:42 pm
Effort chappers.

Question:
For <£1k, I'd like to build something w/gears for the road. Now I realise that you can probably save by getting the whole thing and taking advantadge of the big boys buying power, but I like the satisfaction of putting the bits together myself. It'll prob get used around town for erranding a bit, So things I'd like are - not bling to go some way toward security - this'll be locked up in town a fair bit; something reasonably light and responsive for a bit of playing at being a roadie (not really, just would like to get some more milage in than is practical in the fixed); rack/guard mounts might be nice too.
I'm thinking an alloy frame for the stealth thing, making up on decent but understated bits.
Current thoughts: something like this for the frame (http://www.parker-international.co.uk/ProductDetails/mcs/ProductID/4235/GroupID/6/CategoryID/67/v/02815599-0bab-40c2-a39f-e6ee7f58d8b9), groupset (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SRAM-Rival-10-Speed-Road-Racing-Bike-Groupset-NEW_W0QQitemZ160261097516QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160261097516&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318), wheelset (http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/?fn=product&productId=1261&categoryId=93), reckon I can finish off for under a grand.
Am I way off track? If so why?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 15, 2008, 10:54:03 am
yeah, that looks ok...maybe think about a ribble frame, they are designed by terry dolan (i think) and may well be cheaper??

i am interested in SRAM gears/brake leavers. can i put a set straight on my kuota (105 group) or will it involve all sorts of faffing about??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 15, 2008, 11:01:32 am
Duma - it looks fine, but beware the cost of all the other bits you'll need to finish the bike off - bars, stem, seat pin, saddle, bottle cage, pedals, cables, etc. can end up adding a couple of hundred quid to you're budget if you're not careful.

Chappers - the SRAM stuff is awesome and works well. You should have no problem mixing some bits with your Shimano kit - it is all compatible more or less, although if you want SRAM mechs then you'd be better off with the SRAM shifters too for problem free shifting. Most of my drivetrain is Ultegra, but I have a SRAM cassette just because it has much better ratios for me (ie: 26-11) and have had no problems at all. No faffing required!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 15, 2008, 12:34:48 pm
If anyone fancies punishing themselves over the weekend - I've still got my place in the legbreaker sportive to give away. The entry is for the short course - but even that looks pretty harsh. I can't go due to working nights.  >:(
 
Although above your £1K limit - I've got one of these kitted out for winter use. Its Ti - really nice to ride, and the boys at Sundays know their stuff. I ride it to work and train on it during the summer - although I don't know why I bothered taking the mud-guards off.
http://www.sundaybicycles.co.uk/September.php (http://www.sundaybicycles.co.uk/September.php)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 16, 2008, 01:37:07 pm
I'm looking at doing L'etape or La Marmotte next year. Does anybody know the entrance process, and how likely I'll get a place?

Anyone care to join the training hell that will take place over the winter?

I'm also wandering how I'm going to train for the thing. On paper the average gradients don't look too bad, but its the length of the hills that worry me - 18Km at an average 7-8%. I can get over all the hills in the Peak / Lakes on a 53/39 but these are often steeper and pretty short. So I'm guessing compact chainset with some large dinner plates on the rear!!! Any advice appreciated and if anyone else is serious about entering get in contact -  fatdoc??? - Stop all this XC lark.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 16, 2008, 02:11:51 pm
the last time i did any serious riding in the alps i had 39/53 which was fine.it all depends on your fitness,i had spent all season racing but hadn't done any specific hill training.
the hardest thing i have found is coping with the heat.i've usuall been out there for 2 weeks and the first time over one the passes feels like  living hell,by the 2nd week it just feels like hell. ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on July 16, 2008, 03:07:25 pm
I'd be up for the training, but I'll probably just aim for the Whitton again. Should get a UKB team together for that too.

Tim
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 16, 2008, 07:00:42 pm
I really fancy doing the Marmotte at some point in my life, and next year seems as good a time as any, (as long as ladies and kiddies can be persuaded that it would be a good idea!) Entry stuff is here - http://www.sportcommunication.com/GT/index.php?langue=2 (http://www.sportcommunication.com/GT/index.php?langue=2)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 17, 2008, 07:12:39 am
I'm looking at doing L'etape or La Marmotte next year. Does anybody know the entrance process, and how likely I'll get a place?

Anyone care to join the training hell that will take place over the winter?

I'm also wandering how I'm going to train for the thing. On paper the average gradients don't look too bad, but its the length of the hills that worry me - 18Km at an average 7-8%. I can get over all the hills in the Peak / Lakes on a 53/39 but these are often steeper and pretty short. So I'm guessing compact chainset with some large dinner plates on the rear!!! Any advice appreciated and if anyone else is serious about entering get in contact -  fatdoc??? - Stop all this XC lark.



may i remind you that you've just spent quite a lot of cash on a MTB?  :-\

could a also say that I. Norton & others will be holidaying at

www.switchbacks.co.uk (http://www.switchbacks.co.uk) some time in april ish.... no training camps for me next year i'm afraid!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 17, 2008, 08:42:04 am
I'm looking at doing L'etape or La Marmotte next year. Does anybody know the entrance process, and how likely I'll get a place?

i think that you may need a french address?? i know that julie who i stayed with at easter did several forms and got all sorted for the people. if it is in the pyreneese she would do an entry/accomodation/lift to start deal...oh and the best food ever.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 17, 2008, 09:33:23 am
That is the french address Chappers - click on Presentations and then races and a window opens with a list of events on the left hand side. Scroll down and click on La Marmotte. It's in the Alpes, not the Pyrenees, but good nosh shouldn't be a problem to source - it's France after all!

Fatdocs switchbacks link gives me a page linking to a number of sites, mostly relating to holidays for mountainbiking singles....?!?!?! Has your missus found the secret bike stash and thrown you out, Doc?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 17, 2008, 09:53:26 am
 :oops:

hang on...

www.switch-backs.com (http://www.switch-backs.com)


ahem. that's better!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 17, 2008, 10:15:57 am


may i remind you that you've just spent quite a lot of cash on a MTB?  :-\

could a also say that I. Norton & others will be holidaying at

www.switchbacks.co.uk (http://www.switchbacks.co.uk) some time in april ish.... no training camps for me next year i'm afraid!
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The truth is out about fatdoc - off on a singles holiday.

Well I can attempt to learm to ride the MTB and get even better riding the road bike up-hill. Oh yes, I forgot the new job - maybe I can become a house-husband.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 17, 2008, 10:42:56 am
That is the french address Chappers - click on Presentations and then races and a window opens with a list of events on the left hand side. Scroll down and click on La Marmotte. It's in the Alpes, not the Pyrenees, but good nosh shouldn't be a problem to source - it's France after all!

non! i meant that you may need to apply from a french address as this last year it was not open to international entry (for the etap). i know where it is (la marmotte), but any ex-pats en france could apply for you is what i was getting at!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 17, 2008, 11:03:42 am
Aaaahhh. Now I get you! I know a few brits who've done the marmotte and they didn't mention this french address thing, although it does sound like a very french piece of random buerocracy (sp!). Maybe they entered through a club or tour operator like Sports Tours International who provide the entry as part of a package that inclues accomodation too.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 17, 2008, 08:10:09 pm
Well it looks like 'The Cobra' was a little too much in awe of 'The Pirate" - idiot.
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/riccardo-ricco-fails-drugs-test-at-tour-de-france-17591 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/riccardo-ricco-fails-drugs-test-at-tour-de-france-17591)

That makes 3 caught using EPO.

With regards to the La Marmotte - I've not looked at the entry form, could I blag it with a Spanish address, or does it have to be a French one. Just thought it might be a bit of anti-British Frenchness.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 18, 2008, 10:15:44 am
Yeah - nice one Ricco you total cock! Those french drug testers will never detect this special 3rd generation EPO that I've been taking - oh bollocks, yes they can. Another career in tatters - lets hope he hasn't got aspirations of going the whole way of 'the pirate' and dying of a massive cocaine overdose in a seedy hotel room on his tod.....
At least the dopers seem to be getting caught now so maybe the new doping controls are working a little better. 3 chancers caught in a field of 180 top level cyclists isn't too bad. 2 of these were 'older' pro's, who probably wouldn't have made pro team selection without taking drugs - a symptom of the 'old school' mentality of drug taking, and fear of what happens when your sporting career ends and you realise that you will have to get a proper job or cheat to continue as a pro. Long may they continue to catch the diminishing numbers of dopers - I fucking hate questioning my belief of an amazing sporting performance. There's nothing worse than finding out a stunning effort was fuelled by drugs rather than talent and determination.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on July 18, 2008, 10:27:19 am
well said perc. i was well impressed by ricco the other day, now it just questions everything about cycling. hopefully the more aggressive drug testing will weed out the cheats...  :wank:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 18, 2008, 11:13:28 am
i just knew it was too good to be true, as i watched him win i was worried this would happen, too much like pantani for my liking! what a cock.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 18, 2008, 11:18:53 am
 :agree: With Percy. Apparently the testing is being more targeted at certain suspicious performances / older pros. The Spanish are moaning that few French riders are not being tested as regularly as others. IMO it seems to be working. I'm just pissed off the so called new generation of riders that were suppose to be cleaning the sport up. So far this year Boonen - done for Coke, Ricco - EPO - I'm sure there will be other young riders caught, it seems to me that the young boys are probably indulging just like the older pros.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Oli on July 18, 2008, 11:28:53 am
From a non-roadie view, is it not possible to blanket test all the riders? Or are the drugs taken only detectable for a very short time that would make that an impractical approach?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on July 18, 2008, 11:50:34 am
yeah i don't think it would be impossible, look at athletics they get tested all the bloody time. but they all get tested.
on the flipside well done mark cavendish, awesome effort. (but shouldn't you be training for the olympics?)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 18, 2008, 12:09:46 pm
All the riders get tested during the season - and its pretty random - so they don't get warnings, the test guys just turn up and do the tests at the location where the rider states they are. I think in big events like the tours - the reason that they can't test all the riders is lab capacity. There are too many riders (100+) and not enough specialist labs to run the required tests, so the organisers test the winners of stages and then target other riders.

Its good to see that Mr Chambers won't be representing the UK at the Olympics, after today's judgement.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on July 18, 2008, 01:41:59 pm
Quote
I'm looking at doing L'etape or La Marmotte next year. Does anybody know the entrance process, and how likely I'll get a place?

When I did the etape a couple of years ago, we did it all through Sporting Tours - or Graham Baxter's Sporting Tours. Registration opens in November (I think) You need to get all paperwork ready before and then courier on the day of opening to make sure you get in. Its a real pain, but once you're in everything is organised for you. Hotels, coach transfers etc.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Plattsy on July 18, 2008, 03:48:29 pm
Piepoli and Ricco sacked by Saunier Duval for 'doping practices' found during an internal investigation.  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 18, 2008, 05:54:12 pm
At least nowadays their pro cycling careers are finished but still, what a bunch of  :wank:

Supposedly the poor results of French cyclists in recent years is due to the fact that the french authorities have a very strict and thorough anti doping policy (as we do in British cycling nowadays) and so they have been beaten by the Italians, Spanish, Belgians, etc. due to the fact that they have been racing clean. This was always thought to be an excuse for bad results, but when 'up and coming stars' such as Ricco are caught doping it looks a lot more feasible. I hate doubting the achievements of others, but it does make you have the odd moment of doubt about others performances. At least Mark Cavendish is dope free (as his performance in the mountains proves!) and has won his 3 stages by specialising in what he obviously excels at - flat out, eyes-out-on-stalks sprinting.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 18, 2008, 08:23:35 pm
That'll be 4 wins for Cav now - get with the programme Percy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on July 19, 2008, 10:12:02 am
Amazing effort by Cav... 4 stage wins now.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 22, 2008, 09:02:05 am
yeah i don't think it would be impossible, look at athletics they get tested all the bloody time. but they all get tested.
on the flipside well done mark cavendish, awesome effort. (but shouldn't you be training for the olympics?)
the bbc were saying this morning that the athletics test for epo ain't that good and there will be a fair few winning medals who are on it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: RobinB on July 22, 2008, 01:20:15 pm
On a separate note from the Tour etc - I am thinking of buying one of the SDG I-beam saddles and posts for my road bike. Saddles I am looking at are the I-Fly and the Bel Air - anyone got any experience or opinions on either?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 22, 2008, 01:56:54 pm
on another note...
are there "correct" tools for fitting a head set. (a-head type to 1 1/8 forks). i just used the following: hacksaw, "hammer applied to bolt in the star-nut till it was banged in far enough", and grease.

im going to get some new forks for my fixed ride, is there a correct way to go about this - i dont want to pay a shop to do it!

on another note, i picked up a mag/book called the ride journal in magma. quite a good read and beautifull it is. intervew with lemond about that final stage.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 22, 2008, 09:08:41 pm
Well its the big day of Le Tour tomorrow - Alpe d'Heuz, Col du Telegraphe and Croix de Fer, with full Eurosport and ITV4 coverage. I think CSC have something to blow Evans of the road, as his team just can't compete with CSC's strength. Watching today just made me want to go and climb some of Alpine Cols more than ever. Mind you did anyone else see that Barloworld rider almost climb himself after crashing on the descent - makes you realise that the concentration needed to descend must be enormous when totally f***ed after the ascent.

According to Eurosport commentary this afternoon most of the riders are using compact chainsets in the Alps these days, with a 30 or 34 inside ring, rather than a 39. With a 53 or 54 on the outer to get the speed up on the descent.

Anyone do the legbreaker over the weekend?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 23, 2008, 08:26:14 am


According to Eurosport commentary this afternoon most of the riders are using compact chainsets in the Alps these days, with a 30 or 34 inside ring, rather than a 39. With a 53 or 54 on the outer to get the speed up on the descent. 
how does that work i thought the reason that most compacts only had a 50 outer was your front changer could only handle a gap of 14/16 teeth or the like.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 23, 2008, 08:43:47 am


According to Eurosport commentary this afternoon most of the riders are using compact chainsets in the Alps these days, with a 30 or 34 inside ring, rather than a 39. With a 53 or 54 on the outer to get the speed up on the descent. 
how does that work i thought the reason that most compacts only had a 50 outer was your front changer could only handle a gap of 14/16 teeth or the like.

Got no idea how it works - it baffled me when I heard it, but apparently that's what they use.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 23, 2008, 12:29:33 pm
Maybe they're using a long cage front mech like you have to use with a triple? That might work. I'm sure the concept of having a gear ratio of 54-11 for descending seems like a good idea until you hit 120kph and are heading towards a hairpin bend with your carbon rims red hot and causing your brakes to fade.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 23, 2008, 02:57:12 pm
ahhhhh bless the summer holidays. here i am watching the tour live all afternoon  ;D   lets hope that csc do the work to destroy the rest of the field to hot things up!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 27, 2008, 01:26:43 pm
Well Cadel didn't win again - Shame. Well done Sastre.

I got stopped for speeding (on a push-bike) this morning - no kidding!!  I was coming into Hathersage at 7:30 from the direction of the Fox House, I wasn't aware how fast I was going as I was on my winter bike which doesn't have a computer. According to PC plod I did 44 mph at one point in the 30 zone - woops. I got a warning not to go so fast again. Shame he didn't see the Audi which almost collided with the traffic lights down the road towards Hope due to a really dodgy overtaking maneuver.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 27, 2008, 10:54:04 pm
I got stopped for speeding (on a push-bike) this morning - no kidding!!  I was coming into Hathersage at 7:30 from the direction of the Fox House, I wasn't aware how fast I was going as I was on my winter bike which doesn't have a computer. According to PC plod I did 44 mph at one point in the 30 zone - woops. I got a warning not to go so fast again. Shame he didn't see the Audi which almost collided with the traffic lights down the road towards Hope due to a really dodgy overtaking maneuver.

nice one. in a strange way it is a dream of mine for this to happen to me! odd.

sastre has done well. it was good to see CSC's tactics unfold towards the end of the race. nice one.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 28, 2008, 08:47:05 am
Well Cadel didn't win again - Shame. Well done Sastre.

I got stopped for speeding (on a push-bike) this morning - no kidding!!  I was coming into Hathersage at 7:30 from the direction of the Fox House, I wasn't aware how fast I was going as I was on my winter bike which doesn't have a computer. According to PC plod I did 44 mph at one point in the 30 zone - woops. I got a warning not to go so fast again. Shame he didn't see the Audi which almost collided with the traffic lights down the road towards Hope due to a really dodgy overtaking maneuver.
i think for some cycling offences on the statute book the sentence can transportation.so if your struggling to find the money for your honeymoon it might be worth checking the law out.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on July 28, 2008, 01:10:17 pm
I got stopped for speeding (on a push-bike) this morning - no kidding!!  I was coming into Hathersage at 7:30 from the direction of the Fox House, I wasn't aware how fast I was going as I was on my winter bike which doesn't have a computer. According to PC plod I did 44 mph at one point in the 30 zone - woops. I got a warning not to go so fast again. Shame he didn't see the Audi which almost collided with the traffic lights down the road towards Hope due to a really dodgy overtaking maneuver.

nice one. in a strange way it is a dream of mine for this to happen to me! odd.

sastre has done well. it was good to see CSC's tactics unfold towards the end of the race. nice one.

One of my friends got a fine for going through a red light on his bike at a T junction, where he was going straight on so wasn't stopping traffic.  I don't think he'd have got done if he was riding on the pavement.

The speed camera on the Parbold side of Parbold hill is a good one to set off on your bike.

Bit mean to say, but I'm glad Cadel didn't win because he never looks like he knows how to lead or go for anything.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Plattsy on July 28, 2008, 01:27:49 pm
Bit mean to say, but I'm glad Cadel didn't win because he never looks like he knows how to lead or go for anything.

 :agree: Too much wheel hugging over the last few years for my liking. Needs to attack more and win more stages.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 28, 2008, 08:58:44 pm
 :agree:

And get himself a proper team - would he have won if he rode for CSC?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on July 29, 2008, 08:31:39 am
i have been (v) slowly building up the miles on the road bike and took on the froggat hill challenge (admittedly been putting off for a while..) with a benchmark of 13 minutes i took off fast... too fast! made it in 19mins! well at least i have my own benchmark now.. got to the grouse seemingly quickly but from there to the junction seemed to take a lot longer than anticipated. anyhow, a good challenge.
now i need to get some lycra...
andy
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on July 29, 2008, 12:02:07 pm
FatKids time of 13.20 is very, very fast. I'd suggest that sub 17 is respectable, sub 15 is pretty good, and sub 14 is very impressive.

For what its worth when I did 14.23 I was at Froggatt gate at 8.30 and at the Grouse at 12.30. I had a useful breeze as well, which is very helpful - a headwind for the top half will add a lot of time.

My new wheels have finally arrived - DT 1.1 on Tune hubs. Felt quite zippy on the way home last night, and definitely more compliant over the cattlegrids. Have to see of they improve my Froggatt time.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 29, 2008, 08:54:46 pm
I'm averaging 14 mins to 14mins 20 secs at the moment on Froggat Hill - I doubt I'll ever go under 13 mins 30 again.

Those wheels sound good Tim and must be worth a pretty penny - I looked at some tune hubbed carbon wheels - looked real good just out of my price range though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on July 30, 2008, 01:19:39 pm
I've been up winnats a couple of times this year once as part of the Polka Dot Challenge, there is a challenge on this hill as well, cattle grid to cattle grid, don't have any benchmark times though so maybe be send fatkid up to set the standard. If he does well he can enter the national hill climb challenge this year on bank road in Matlock !

P.S anyone else doing the Spud Riley in Sept ?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 30, 2008, 08:47:01 pm
Winnats is f***ing steep in my book and I'm glad to just get up the thing. I think the average gradient is 25% and the traffic doesn't help. I've never timed myself up it but I do know my heart rate has hit 200 on here. The other hill which may be worth timed ascents is from Barber-booth  up to the top above Winnat's. Its max gradient is around 15% and has less steep sections in it. The first section is the worst as you hit the ramp at the bottom.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on July 31, 2008, 02:43:14 pm
I agree Winnats is a b**tard its the hardest one I've come across in the peak.
There are a couple near me that are as steep (Riber/Rowsley Bar) but no where near as sustained.
A gentler hill similiar to froggatt maybe a bit shorter and less busy is Beeley worth a punt if your out that way.

Changing subject slightly, I read last year that some guys had cycled up Jacobs Ladder, now that is impressive.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 31, 2008, 03:35:36 pm
Jacobs ladder has a load of myth and mystery attached to it... many stories abound, I'm sure it's been done by a fair few XC whippits. An amazing feat. Though I have to say the very top bit has been sanitised a lot, I rode it down 2 weeks ago and it seemed disappointingly tame - I had memeories of it being a true drop into steep loose baby head grit blocks, not now  :(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 02, 2008, 08:09:52 pm
Spent a short while following a delightful bloke today (replica pro team kit, shaved legs, etc, etc) who was not up for having people riding behind him so spent his time snotting on me and veering all over the road so I couldn't pass (I assume he was pretending I wasn't there although he had just passed me at a junction)!  :wank:

Luckily I also met some nice roadies out there today which made up for the feeling of despair the first guy had given me. Its nice to be back on the bike after the best part of a month off :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 03, 2008, 09:13:59 am
Spent a short while following a delightful bloke today (replica pro team kit, shaved legs, etc, etc) who was not up for having people riding behind him so spent his time snotting on me and veering all over the road so I couldn't pass (I assume he was pretending I wasn't there although he had just passed me at a junction)!  :wank:


Was he on a cervelo and in CSC kit. I went past a bloke in this kit a week or so ago & he did the same snot related things to me. Mind you he was bloody slow up hill.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 03, 2008, 09:55:22 am
after a raging bout of insomnia I dragged by bike out and did a short blast at 5 a.m.... despite being at least 5 pounds heavier (god bless the post mtb beers) did my local up to owler bar and back through holmesfield in 38 mins, thats 3 mins better than i've done before. It was one of those *why wont my heart rate go up, god i must be tired* rides.. weird... rode mtb for 3 hrs y'day as well. very strange!!

saw 3 cars.... no wind, not hot... much fun!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on August 04, 2008, 08:16:13 am
nice. i kind of had the opposite, 'why is my heartrate so high'... although the nice tail wind up to owler bar from baslow was excellent.
it was a milestone in my short roady career. a) bought heart rate monitor. b) bought cheep lycra's from decathlon. now it feels like i can't be overtaken!
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on August 04, 2008, 02:07:04 pm
Would have been a really good day for Froggatt Hill Challenge on Sunday I reckon. I went down it and could barely get over 40kph into the headwind. Seemed like lots of people riding up it too, loads without helmets, but thats their choice I guess.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 04, 2008, 03:00:56 pm
Would have been a really good day for Froggatt Hill Challenge on Sunday I reckon. I went down it and could barely get over 40kph into the headwind. Seemed like lots of people riding up it too, loads without helmets, but thats their choice I guess.

Oh yes it was a good day - 13mins 50 - my second best. I've noticed loads of people without helmets recently, I know a lot of roadies will tell you that head injuries only kill a small number of people and chest/abdo injuries are more likely to be serious - but for the sake of £50 - it may make all the difference between a life sat in piss and in a wheel-chair and normality. Went over to the East Coast last week and saw a load of blokes of 70 plus spinning huge fixed gears - I know its flat but I was well impressed at them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 05, 2008, 10:34:51 am
Bloody hell - I'm still a way of fatkids pace up Froggatt hill - currently only manage it in around 17 minutes. However, I reckon once I can get out and train a bit it should come down a fair bit. In a perfect world I'd like to be riding up there in about 15 mins before we head of to the alps later on in September, but I think thats a pretty tall order in 6 weeks given the restricted bike time currently available!

The grumpy tosser I met wasn't wearing CSC kit - some old skool Italian team strip (I don't remember which). He didn't have a lid on either which is something I still find wierd. I wouldn't consider riding anywhere at any sort of speed without one. The only time mine comes off is on long climbs in the summer (where speed is around 10mph) for fear of heatstroke! Then I just hook it over the stem of my bars (another advantage of Shimano is that the gear cables make a great cadle to hold your lid) and then put it back on as soon as speed picks up again. Having crashed more than once in my life, I can asure you that shortly after your shoulder hits the road and you collar bone breaks the next thing that hits the road is your swede and it just ain't worth the risk of not wearing one. You wouldn't ride a mountain bike wihout one, yet most off-road trails provide a softer landing than tarmac. I don't care how much of a cock I look in one, or how hot it gets - a helmet is an essential piece of equipment for roadies.

Good luck to all the old roadies who still don't wear them - that Rapha team cap will do a wonderful job of keeping your brains in!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 05, 2008, 08:37:06 pm
Well another promising Italian has been playing with the same EPO as Ricco. Remember his climbing in the Giro - when he twice on 2 days running pulled away from the field -now the truth is out.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/emmanuele-sella-positive-for-epo-17903 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/emmanuele-sella-positive-for-epo-17903)

My hill climbing is get better - probably helped by losing half a stone, despite eating like a pig last week: My mum came to visit and she always insists on feeding me.

The only time for a rapha cap is in a cafe when your hair looks shit & is full of flies or under a helmet when its a touch chilly.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 05, 2008, 11:51:24 pm
so, you on epo then fatkid?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on August 06, 2008, 08:50:05 am
maybe you quacks could set your selves up as medical adviser's to the  ukbouldering professional road cycling team.which of course wouldn't need any pharmaceutical help to be competitive. ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Plattsy on August 07, 2008, 01:52:27 pm
It's not Cadels year is it. First runner up in the tour and now out of the Olympics time trial. Wet floor equals too much  :beer2:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/cycling/7534236.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/cycling/7534236.stm)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on August 07, 2008, 02:42:04 pm
all rumours see
http//www.cycling weekly.co.uk/news/evans_dismiss_olympics_injury_rumour_article_264396.html
he's part of the free tibet movement so maybe the chinese are waging a dirty tricks campain against him.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 10, 2008, 11:36:42 am
Nice to see Nicole Cooke opening British cyclings medal account with a gold in this mornings road race. An awesome effort!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 11, 2008, 01:05:46 pm
Nice to see Nicole Cooke opening British cyclings medal account with a gold in this mornings road race. An awesome effort!

Must have been like riding in a hot bath - awesome effort indeed!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 13, 2008, 06:37:07 pm
Right - I know Mr Picalli might be keen for a sesh, as is anybody else in south east France from the 5th to the 20th Sept. I'm heading down that way via Font and plan to take my bike up a few classic col's. In particular I'm very excited about trying Col de la Bonette and Alp d'Huez to name but two of the highest on my list..... If anybody else is around the alps mid sept and wants to hook up for some serious pain, let me know!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 22, 2008, 07:14:14 pm
With all this mountain bike nonsense going around at the moment, may I just remind people that the weather tommorrow looks mint for road biking for those like myself who are currently too injured to climb! If anybodies keen for a couple of hours spin round the peak I'm heading out for a do in the morning...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 22, 2008, 09:31:17 pm
just tell me the budget for the MTB and your voyage will
Be complete
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on August 23, 2008, 04:36:48 pm
Percy, you really should get a mountain bike. Watching Fatdoc break things is a fine way to spend a Sunday morning!

I haven't forsaken the Darkside - I cycled down to my parents and back Friday evening/Satday morning, 100km each way down through the Peak and back. Wasn't my quickest ascent of Froggatt Hill! Otherwise I would have joined you this morning. we could maybe have a quick spin next Saturday before the wedding?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 23, 2008, 07:03:26 pm
Could well be up for that Tim, as it could be a fine alternative to the other pre-wedding activities which would appear to be an appointment with Rays Roof -  I don't want to bleed on my posh clothes! Awesome riding conditions this morning (dry, very little wind and not too hot) - almost like a summers day which makes a very welcome change.

Fatdoc is still working on me with regards to impending MTB purchasing, but I am holding out manfully........the thought of watching the doc breaking expensive machinery/himself does have a strange allure though ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on August 26, 2008, 06:54:06 pm
can i just say that i love paul hewitts bike shop. a top quality place to spend money.
every other shop told me that i would need to buy a new wheel, paul however is going to re-build it for me   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 28, 2008, 06:00:10 pm
Well something happened to the steering on my Wilier on the way home this week - not sure what. However the result has been new headset, bottom bracket bearings, cables and a few other bits & pieces to bring the repair bill to £150. So its 18 months old and thats the total of my maintenance costs.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 28, 2008, 06:45:20 pm
same happened to me on the cheshire cat.....

fine now, there again i do commute on it twice a week, summer and winter
 :oops:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 29, 2008, 08:29:14 am
Well I took it to Racescene in Barnsley and they have worked wonders with my Wilier. Totally sorted - its made a massive difference to how the bike runs. I'd really recommend taking your bike up there for services if you're Sheffield based. Nice chaps who obviously know how to look after bikes - the chap who serviced told me the headset was totally f***ed, then again its done near to 3500 miles.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on August 29, 2008, 09:09:20 am
my headset is also fucked. i am keeping it going by taking it apart regularly and filling it with grease. the main difference it has made to my steering is that i cant ride hands off - annoying when trying to remove a jacket.
i want to get a chris king, but how do i know it will fit my frame? (a kuota kharma). 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on August 29, 2008, 02:16:57 pm
Percy

Are you still on for a bit of a ride tomorrow morning? Or anybody else?

I'm thinking 9.30am for a couple of hours as I'll probably go mountain biking with the missus in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 29, 2008, 07:12:44 pm
Soz Tim but I can't get out then - I'm holding the baby for a few hours mid morning. I will go out for a ride but it'll either be for a quick pre wedding 90 mins at midday or, worst case scenario, Annie wakes up at 6am and I can sneak out of the house for a couple of hours whilst she holds Lucy down!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 29, 2008, 07:36:28 pm
riding on yr wedding day !
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 29, 2008, 08:37:02 pm
Not mine, you idiot! Sam and Lucindas wedding is tomorrow afternoon. As if I would.....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 01, 2008, 12:22:36 pm
Soon to be seen on a bike near you....Fatdoc's?????

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/shimano-dura-ace-di2-electronic-first-ride-18283 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/shimano-dura-ace-di2-electronic-first-ride-18283)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 01, 2008, 01:05:10 pm
OMG

it actually works
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 01, 2008, 07:06:47 pm
Off to France on Friday for bouldering/biking mission with the girls. Looks like time will be split between camping at Bourg d'Oisans and Annot....this should give plenty of scope for climbing and riding some of the most famous tour climbs on my 'rest' days. Straight our of the campsite we have Alp d'Huez (14.5kms at Av. 8% gradient), Deux Alpes (12kms at av 7.75%), Col de la Croix de Fer (31.6kms at av.5.4%), as well as the Galibier, Col du Glandon, etc, etc..... I'm sooo psyched - I guarantee this will only last until I get there, see the first 13% ramp on Alp d'Huez and then scuttle off to the nearest cafe for a sit down.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on September 02, 2008, 01:25:57 pm
You Lucky, Lucky B..stard
Of course when we camped we stayed in shoebox in middle of road
used to get up two hours before going to bed, cycle up Alp d'Huez
before breakfast come down and have scraps.
You tell that to the kids today and they won't believe you.

P.S have a good trip, is this training for the Marmotte ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 02, 2008, 02:12:47 pm
Not really training for the Marmotte, but I'd like to ride this one day so its nice to do a bit of a recce.

On a seperate note, the Snake Pass is due for closure between the 8th and the 19th of September, for all in the know who'd like to ride this great road without the hideous traffic - me and Fatdoc can highly recommend it.

I have just returned from a trip to Manchester this morning, but took advantage with a spot of pre-alps training by riding intervals from the bus-stop right on the top of the snake pass down into Glossop and back up to the top. The torture is completely by trying to do each loop in under 25 mins and not resting between laps (although there is plenty on time to 'rest' on the 40+mph descent!). I managed 3 loops (1200 metres of climbing) before I thought I should stop....now I'm walking like John Wayne.... :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on September 02, 2008, 07:17:34 pm
Twas out on Sunday with a split personality rider who tried to explain to me what a compact is.

And there was me thinking you lot carried them for your make up  :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 02, 2008, 08:31:59 pm
The compact is for wimps who can't push proper gears up hill.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 03, 2008, 07:48:17 am
 :o


right, just coz you've got strong road legs......


you're needing all yr gears on the MTB though eh?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 03, 2008, 07:53:01 am
I've never claimed to be good on the MTB - but I've only used the granny ring twice: forgot it was there a few times. Anyone else seen the new Bianchi range for 09 - they sent me the brochure in the post & they look well nice, shame I've banned myself from new bike purchases for at least a year.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on September 03, 2008, 09:23:37 am
I've never claimed to be good on the MTB - but I've only used the granny ring twice:
- up every hill and down every hill  :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 03, 2008, 09:33:30 am
Don't dis the compact, Fatkid! When your knees are knackered you'll be glad of the ability to spin instead of grinding away like you do!
Alberto Contador uses a compact. So did Lance Armstrong in the mountains. I'm over the macho posturing and fully love mine now :P
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on September 03, 2008, 09:45:29 am
Twas out on Sunday with a split personality rider who tried to explain to me what a compact is.

And there was me thinking you lot carried them for your make up  :lol:

I bet Norton is really pleased with himself for remembering that joke.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on September 03, 2008, 10:45:27 am
what joke?  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 03, 2008, 10:48:56 am
Norton seems to be contributing to the 'gay boys' riding thread as he puts it, are we going to see him coming out in lycra along with a shiney road bike??? :o

I'm only kidding about compacts - I've got one in the garage somewhere.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 03, 2008, 12:49:59 pm
i've just got back from the alps and i'll eat my words regarding compacts.despite avoiding most hardcore cols i still managed find myself trying to bend my cranks in 39x27 on many a hill.i found that chanting a mantra of " fuck,i'm fucking fucked" and telling myself i could get off and walk at the next hairpin was the only thing that got me up.
at least it was a reminder to do more riding.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 03, 2008, 02:28:12 pm
Don't dis the compact, Fatkid! When your knees are knackered you'll be glad of the ability to spin instead of grinding away like you do!
Alberto Contador uses a compact. So did Lance Armstrong in the mountains. I'm over the macho posturing and fully love mine now :P

Didn't Mr Contador use something like 34x30 on one of the giro stages - the mountain time trial. Apparently Sastre used a compact Q-ring set on Alp d'Heuz this year - whatever that is. Hope you have a good trip Percy - have you used it as an excuse to purchase some new  toys??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 03, 2008, 02:28:12 pm
Oooohh, you've got a 27 on the back....tut, tut! It's only good having a 53-39 on the front if you can back it up a 21-11 on the back ;)

I've gone for a 50-34 on the front with a shiny new SRAM 26-11 on the back. Bring on the cols!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 04, 2008, 08:39:15 am
the 27 was for last years leg breaker,but alas again i was overgeared or lacking in fitness as i had to walk a couple of times.maybe i should be honest with myself and realise as i ain't racing i don't need 53 x12. but whats the fun in that.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on September 04, 2008, 12:47:58 pm
I might be a wimp with my triple but at least I haven't had to get off and walk yet.
Ok I did on Hardknott when doing the Whitton this year, but that was after a 100 miles.
Ok I'm a wimp and crap.
I'd second Percys reccomendation for a traffic free snake pass ride, from either side.

Have you brought a child seat/trailer for the little one yet percy ? that' ll slow you down on the Hills.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 04, 2008, 06:52:48 pm
this traffic free snake pass...will i find myself nailing it into a load of road works at 40 mph on the way back down??? - rode it when it was shut last winter, but there was snow on the top and it was bloody freezing!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 04, 2008, 07:01:48 pm
oh yeah, i have 50 - 34 and 12 - 25. stop slagging em!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 04, 2008, 07:45:16 pm
this traffic free snake pass...will i find myself nailing it into a load of road works at 40 mph on the way back down???

Yes, maybe! Adds to the fun though....

Its not normally the fast bit they dig up, but the flat section below the pub that is permanently subsiding. I'd be surprised if it wasn't closed to fix that bit again, so all good for cycling I reckon.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 04, 2008, 07:58:49 pm
I for one.....


will be there  8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on September 05, 2008, 09:19:47 am
I reckon I'm up for that as well.
I haven't ridden in ages mind, but a traffic free Snake sounds very enticing.
Next weekend then ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on September 05, 2008, 12:25:14 pm
I'd be on for a mass blast over a deserted Snake Pass. It can't be at the weekend though as it isn't closed for the weekend, just the weekdays either side - 8th to 19th September EXCEPT the weekend. Shame.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on September 05, 2008, 12:44:17 pm
Can I come?

I'll bring my hardtail with slicks pumped up to the max.  130mm front travel should be enough to overtake you lot through the roadworks? 

Can I wear baggies and carry some pads for the downhill.  Might just wear my bike leathers instead.    :bounce:

How about you lot go all the way over to Glossop but I only have to go to the top and back down?   :goodidea:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 06, 2008, 07:08:26 am
Looks like Norton may be sighted in full lycra before we know it!!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on September 08, 2008, 09:24:28 am
i've just got back from the alps and i'll eat my words regarding compacts.despite avoiding most hardcore cols i still managed find myself trying to bend my cranks in 39x27 on many a hill.i found that chanting a mantra of " fuck,i'm fucking fucked" and telling myself i could get off and walk at the next hairpin was the only thing that got me up.
at least it was a reminder to do more riding.


I managed l'alpe du huez on a 39x26 although thats nowt compared to my mate who used a 24! We were young, fit with healthy knees and no money to change the block!  :wall:

Would defo want a compact now.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 08, 2008, 09:31:03 am
yes in my younger days i rode to joux plan on 42 x26 on a steel bike no less.by heck they think they've got it hard these days.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Simon S on September 08, 2008, 10:08:10 am
They've never had it so good!

Good effort on the joux plan.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 10, 2008, 02:39:12 pm
lance is back!
just imagine...

(http://www.bicycle.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/astana-logo.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on September 12, 2008, 08:55:37 pm
Oooohh, you've got a 27 on the back....tut, tut! It's only good having a 53-39 on the front if you can back it up a 21-11 on the back ;)

I've gone for a 50-34 on the front with a shiny new SRAM 26-11 on the back. Bring on the cols!
50-34 all I've ever ridden absolutely brill for the south of france and has taught me to spin rather than push on the flat.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on September 15, 2008, 11:51:15 am
just back from mallorca...

spent a few days being terrified on a bike before another week of being terrified above the sea

aren't road bikes brilliant?!

highlight of cycling week was this

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/22045.jpg)

there is actually a bit where the road goes under itself like a scalextric track...

anyway my laughable cornering capability (road bikes feel all twitchy rake) combined with brake hoods where i could hardly cover the brakes and homicidal coaches - meant i probably road about as fast down it as i did up it (in fact i had to stop to rest my hands on the way down - and didn't stop at all on the way up).

this obviously was a bit frustrating for shy yorkshireman who felt honour bound to peiodically stop to make sure i wasn't decorating the road surface or the front of a coach with bits of flesh and lycra.

here are some boys doing it a bit quicker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CaLc_MuLd4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CaLc_MuLd4)

Think i may have to join the peleton, maybe find an end of season bargain.  ;D

(we hired bikes in porto pollensa on this trip)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 19, 2008, 09:23:14 pm
Just got back from France, where logistics didn't quite work out (to say the least) and I never made it to the southern alps. I did however spend a week camping in Bourg d'Oisans in the campsite right at the start of Alp d'Huez so got a bit of riding in. Rode up Alp d'Huez on two seperate occasions (the second time i managed it in 1 hour and 2 minutes, my time only effected by a nose bleed halfway up - never pick your nose when riding on bumpy tarmac on a cold morning with a heart rate of 175....its a recipe for disaster!). Also rode up the Croix de Fer (a truely painful climb - a total war of attrition the whole bloody way), col du Glandon and the very nice and under-rated col d'Ornon. And from this I have learned....

1 - I like riding in the mountains
2 - I only like riding in the mountains after a few very trying days of getting my eye in - the first few biggun's you ride could break you in every way
3 - Compacts rule in the Alps - compared to last years cols on a 53-39.....never again!
4 - My best time on Alp d'Huez is only 14 minutes slower than Bernard Hinaults best effort  :thumbsup: but sadly my time is still 25 minutes slower than Pantanis record of 37 minutes! Mind you, I am not on the same medication as the Pirate was......the cheating little fucker.... ;)
5 - I would still like to ride the Marmotte, but would need to do some serious training before I think. The Glandon, then the Telegraph, Galibier and a finishing spin up alp d'huez is no picnic, I have now discovered!
6 - I would really like to ride up alp d'huez in under an hour - its the benchmark for a climber, so they say...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on September 19, 2008, 11:40:19 pm
Sounds brilliant - lets get signed up to the Marmotte. Plenty of time for training. Probably.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on September 20, 2008, 12:00:15 am
I did Hagg Hill on the way home last night and nearly threw up at the top. Is this normal behaviour?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 21, 2008, 07:44:37 pm
- lets get signed up to the Marmotte.

Well, maybe. I would just like to add that having been out in the Peak for a quick ride this morning, all the usual hills seem a bit lame. On the big cols in the alps I spent most of the time spinning 34-26 - the first time I had ever used the 26 in anger! I always wondered what it was for!

I also learned that you should never look at average gradients for cols - I suckered myself into riding the Croix de Fer because the average gradient is only 5.5% (for 32 kms, mind, which is like a slightly steeper version of Froggatt hill but 6 times the length)!  However, this didn't take into account the viscious descents on the way up - one of which is a kilometer of 12% downhill down 5 hairpins which made me dread the prospect of the return trip down the col only to be faced with a nasty section of climbing when I should've been freewheeling my way the victory......bastards! The only plus side was that I hit 85kph on the descent which was very invigorating :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on September 21, 2008, 09:10:57 pm
The only plus side was that I hit 85kph on the descent which was very invigorating :o
Wow! That seriously fast  :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 22, 2008, 12:37:15 pm
I did Hagg Hill on the way home last night and nearly threw up at the top. Is this normal behaviour?

yep!


well done perc,

now when do you change thread and get a MTB for the winter dude?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 22, 2008, 05:01:35 pm
All right, I'll admit that I am looking to purchase a MTB :whistle:
Just for messing around on, mind. General XC sort of stuff. Any advice (bouncy front and back, or just bouncy front?) And it would have to be a reasonably priced affair too - got nappies to buy you know......
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 22, 2008, 08:24:40 pm
fuckin get in.

Budget please

Second hand or new?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 23, 2008, 05:55:21 pm
No more than £600 if possible and as good as I can get for the money - decent second hand or maybe a new one in the winter sales....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on September 23, 2008, 06:11:29 pm
You ought to be able to get this for less than £600, otherwise you'll be looking at hardtail if you buy new, even in the sales I'd think.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12587186 (http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12587186)

Go on, just give Fatdoc a bundle of used notes and let him get on with it. It'll save a lot of heartache and hassle in the long run for you.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 24, 2008, 08:30:05 am
Good work Percy - I'm well jealous. I've not been on a bike for three weeks, but am rarring to go - I'm feeling seriously strong, but will probably be knackered after a mile or so.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on September 24, 2008, 02:15:37 pm
Percy - were you too scared to post under the "Ask Fatdoc" thread?  You dare not leave the fold of roadies yet then?  :P
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 24, 2008, 06:42:51 pm
Percy - were you too scared to post under the "Ask Fatdoc" thread?  You dare not leave the fold of roadies yet then?  :P

And likewise, what are you doing browsing the leg shavers thread, Norton? That lycra fetish you've being keeping secret from the roughtie tufftie MTB boys looks like being found out before too much more time passes  :P

Fuck it - I spose its round to Fatdocs with the cheque book for the sales pitch on some big heavy pile of steel  :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 26, 2008, 01:02:19 pm
Well I've just read that Mr Armstrong is going to ride le tour next year with Astana - to try and quash the view that he was a drug fuelled cheat. He'll be 38 by the tour - and in the same team as this years Giro & Veulta winner Alberto Contador. So is he mad? Will Contador want to ride as a team rider rather than the leader? Or will this just confuse thngs further, as to whether he was dabbling in the chemists cabinet during the Armstrong glory years???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 26, 2008, 01:23:36 pm
if i were contador id smack him on the nose...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on September 26, 2008, 02:51:30 pm
Percy - were you too scared to post under the "Ask Fatdoc" thread?  You dare not leave the fold of roadies yet then?  :P

And likewise, what are you doing browsing the leg shavers thread, Norton? That lycra fetish you've being keeping secret from the roughtie tufftie MTB boys looks like being found out before too much more time passes  :P

Fuck it - I spose its round to Fatdocs with the cheque book for the sales pitch on some big heavy pile of steel  :'(

Mate, reading this  thread is a bit like reading UKC.  Once in a while I feel like I need to check what the other half are doing... and then leave the sad bastards to it  :wave:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 26, 2008, 03:12:38 pm
So Percy is going to get an MTB, Norton is coming out with his lycra fetish - and we can all live happily ever after.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 28, 2008, 03:52:36 pm
Good news for all of us roadies who have recently become fathers - Breast milk contains a very potent and natural source of EPO.

Awesome - I reckon my Froggatt hill time will tumble if only I can persuade the missus to let me have go on the baby feeders....

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on September 28, 2008, 06:13:26 pm
If you're dreaming of new bikes... try this one on for size...

(http://www.thepiton.com/images/2008/09/27/delta.jpg) (http://www.thepiton.com/2008/09/baddest-bikes-a.html)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 01, 2008, 05:42:14 pm
Useful site if you like riding up hills...

http://www.climbbybike.com/index.asp (http://www.climbbybike.com/index.asp)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 06, 2008, 03:38:13 pm
Well I've just read that Mr Armstrong is going to ride le tour next year with Astana -

So is he mad?

Will Contador want to ride as a team rider rather than the leader?

im pretty sure that armstrong would have sat down and done the math - could he have won this year, the answer is probably yes. there is no way he would go into this without the knowledge that he can win.

i just read an interview with lance inwhich he talks about the teams strength (three potential tour winners inc Levi). and it looks like it is clear, and he agrees that they will ride for the strongest rider - surely contador!

i just cant see it working like that...

anyone else??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on October 06, 2008, 04:29:42 pm
According to Spanish reports Contador is looking to leave Astana, but can't - he's tied in until 2010. I doubt he will be happy working for an Armstrong win.

Mind you, the French will probably prevent Armstrong starting the race, they seem to be intent on finding him guilty of doping at any cost. I know alot of cyclist are adamant that Lance is clean, I'm just not sure, he was around when EPO use was rife in the pro-peleton. Greg LeMond is convinced he doped, so who do we beleive???

We'll probably never truely know if Lance used, he'll probably not win Le Tour in 09, and even if he did the critics won't be silenced.

So Percy have you tired you Wife's source of EPO yet????
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 06, 2008, 04:56:27 pm
Natures EPO is strictly reserved for mini-me!

Its interesting that both Armstrong and Contador have recovered from very serious life-threatening illnesses to achieve way better endurance and power on a bike than they had previously had. Maybe you don't need drugs, but just need to get very advanced and agressive forms of cancer, or spend time in a coma with cavernoma (some hideous problem with the veins in your spinal cord that cause you to have fits, die, etc) in order to be the best road racer! I can now see why the drugs route may be more popular with those who want to win races.....or maybe NOT.

I reckon Astana will loose Contador if Armstrong is signed up by them. Latest news in Vinokurov has his ban lifted next year and wants to ride for Astana again! Astana could be the team with 6 potential tour winners on it, none of whom will ride for one another. What a mess!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Plattsy on October 07, 2008, 12:51:20 pm
CSC will be quite happy if Astana return to the Tour in a mess.

According to the BBC Piepoli and Schumacher have tested positive for Cera using samples taken during this years Tour. Ricco tested positive for this advanced blood doping product too.

They're retesting all samples for Cera so other positive results may follow.

Another day where pro cyclists drag their sport through the gutter.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 08, 2008, 02:42:51 pm
CSC will be quite happy if Astana return to the Tour in a mess.

According to the BBC Piepoli and Schumacher have tested positive for Cera using samples taken during this years Tour. Ricco tested positive for this advanced blood doping product too.

They're retesting all samples for Cera so other positive results may follow.

Another day where pro cyclists drag their sport through the gutter.

that's rare, not



I'm so fucked of with it all I'm now not gonna watch / follow any of the grand tours next year.... mark my words if the *big 6* all ride for astana it will leave a stangnated field rife with drug rumour and bitching all season.




ahhhh.... that''ll be like most years then
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Plattsy on October 08, 2008, 03:21:32 pm
Wiggins has suggested a possibly team GB riding in the tour according to the beeb. Who would be involved there then. Wiggins, Cavendish, Millar who else?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 08, 2008, 09:52:17 pm
what a fucking mess astana will be.
they need to sort out who will lead that team, maybe they could have a grand tour each? that will be crazy if vinakurov jumps on the band wagon.

i have problems believing that armstrong was clean. my reason: the majority of the riders that he destroyed so convincingly in his tour wins have admitted to doping, and he was so much stronger, i just figure how could he have not been on dope??

team GB, it has been public that they want a tour team for a while. by 2010 i think...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 09, 2008, 08:29:23 am
oh yeah, if team GB to get together for the tour, im not sure that cav et al would ride for them. he has got the best sprint in the sport, but i bet he would rather ride for a big team with a strong lead out train. he wouldnt win as much without that.

i was suspicious of schumacher when watching the tour, those time trials... (not like watching ricco and saying "he will test positive in the next few days"). he has been in a spot of bother with the law before and got quite pissed when questioned about it whilst in yellow at this years tour.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on October 09, 2008, 06:25:23 pm
Useful site if you like riding up hills .
http://www.salite.ch/struttura/default.asp?Ultime=10 (http://www.salite.ch/struttura/default.asp?Ultime=10)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 11, 2008, 08:07:36 pm
I'm flogging one of my bikes :'(
Details on the For Sale section. Don't worry though, I'm keeping the other two :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on October 11, 2008, 09:44:43 pm
apparently the manufacturers of cera told the doping authorities about a marker in the mmolecule.  This is why so many riders got caught - they thought noone had a test for the "new" drug.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on October 13, 2008, 10:30:28 am
Interesting business case. Or were they performing a public service?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on October 13, 2008, 11:38:07 am
According to WADA & the drug manufactuers, there is no molecule linked to drug to aid detection. The manufactuers did inform the doping authorities about the drug and helped develop a test to detect it, but its still possible to use it and not get caught. Apparently it can only be detected for 3 days after use & the test is not full proof. There's an interesting article about Greg Lemond's view on it & Mr Armstrong on bike radar.

The olympic aothorities are re-testing 1000s of sample as the test for CERA is now better.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/interview-greg-lemond-18929 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/interview-greg-lemond-18929)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on October 13, 2008, 08:13:19 pm
Polka dot (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/report-bernhard-kohl-tests-positive-for-cera-18940) too...

prick.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 14, 2008, 11:00:49 am
what a joke.
one rule for one, one for everyone else.

Armstrong has been cleared to ride in the tour down under - two weeks before his blood passport should allow him.

however, it seems the whole sport is in shit state and there is still a massive culture of doping...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on October 14, 2008, 01:34:04 pm
What about Armstrong joins Astana, Vinikourov does too, then the tour doesn't let them back in?   It would amuse me.

They should just have 2 tours for a few years, one drug free, one take what ever you want, then keep the one that's most popular.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 14, 2008, 08:05:00 pm
i thought they did already.tour de france and tour of itlay :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 14, 2008, 08:55:12 pm
im pretty sure that an astana team with armstrong in it will get a place. he has after all spoken to the french premiere about it!

webbo, i think that squeek was saying there should be a drug free tour, you cant say that the giro has been dope free?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 15, 2008, 08:35:04 am
what i was implying was that in some tours if you dope you will get caught but not in others.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on October 15, 2008, 11:00:44 am
I wander whether the French would be so keen to get to the bottom of whether Armstrong had doped had he been French - I doubt it.

Its also quite strange how somebody like Pantani is still held in such high regard, especially in Italy even though its well known he was off his head on whatever the local drug reps could give him. Bianchi have one of his bikes on display at the Bike Show at Earls Court this year, and he is widely credited at saving the brand from collapse in the 90s.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 18, 2008, 08:19:29 pm
It's worth checking out the drug-free future of cycling - www.theafricancyclist.com (http://www.theafricancyclist.com)

Check out the video of the guys destroying Alp d'Huez - go to the Press menu and click on the Daily Telegraph link at the top of the list.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Plattsy on October 23, 2008, 08:31:52 am
For your information. Return of the team time trial and the Ventoux on the penultimate day.  :thumbsup:

The 2009 Tour de France, 4-26 July:

Monaco - Monaco, 15 km (individual time trial)
Monaco - Brignoles, 182 km
Marseille - La Grande-Motte, 196 km
Montpellier, 38 km (team time-trial)
Le Cap d'Agde - Perpignan, 197 km
Girona (Spain) - Barcelona (Spain), 175 km
Barcelona - Andorra 224 km
Andorra-la-Vieille - Saint-Girons, 176 km
Saint-Gaudens - Tarbes, 160 km
Rest day at Limoges
Limoges - Issoudun, 193 km
Vatan - Saint-Fargeau, 192 km
Tonnerre - Vittel, 200 km
Vittel - Colmar, 200 km
Colmar - Besançon, 199 km
Pontarlier - Verbier (Suisse), 207 km
Rest day at Verbier
Martigny (Switzerland) - Bourg-Saint-Maurice, 160 km
Bourg-Saint-Maurice - Le Grand-Bornand, 169 km
Annecy - Annecy, 40 km (individual time trial)
Bourgoin-Jallieu - Aubenas, 195 km
Montélimar - Mont Ventoux, 167 km
Montereau-Fault-Yonne - Paris Champs-Elysées, 160 km

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on October 23, 2008, 09:32:03 am
So what's the drug of choice for 2009? Now CERA can be tested for?? There must be seomething out there the riders have up their sleeves or am I just cynical??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on October 25, 2008, 05:45:48 am
This makes for interesting reading for all the cycle commuters now that dark morning / evenings have arrived. Especially the pedal reflectors - have DfT never seen modern pedals. You can just imagine some lawyer get a motorist off due to not riding with pedal reflectors. http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/guidanceaboutlightsonpedalbi4556 (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/guidanceaboutlightsonpedalbi4556)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 01, 2008, 09:25:02 am
Cheshire Cat entries are out for those interested. The 102 mile one has an up-hill cobbled section - nice...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 02, 2008, 08:02:52 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/fixedup-1.jpg)

dont know where to put this - its what one of my bikes looks like now...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 02, 2008, 08:11:30 pm
tried to find entry to the cheshire cat on line - anyone got a link?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 02, 2008, 08:47:28 pm
Nice bike chappers any details?


http://www.kilotogo.com/cheshire%20cat.html (http://www.kilotogo.com/cheshire%20cat.html)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 03, 2008, 10:12:11 am
frame - dolan track with carbon itm (cheap) fork.
wheels - rear blue Velocity deep V rim laced to velocity hub. front gold campagnolo.
drive - sugino cranks, on-one sprocket, durace lock ring. KMC chain. (48 x 18)
bars - nitto risers cut down, track grips.

this week (birthday) adding classic black and gold rolls seat and the ultimate brake - paul comp e-lever. (also want a black seat post).

cheers for the cat details, waiting for a mate to get back to me then we will sign up!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 03, 2008, 10:10:55 pm
102 mile event entered.
roll up roll up BUK road cycling team.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on November 05, 2008, 03:03:37 pm
I was thinking of the Cheshire Cat as a nice sportive to start the season off with. Not sure about the 102 mile version though.

Anybody want to join me on the 67 mile girls version? I think Fatdoc did this last year so he should be persuadable...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 05, 2008, 06:54:03 pm
i would like to make a rant about the shitty state of britain's shitty fucking roads.
i managed to put a hip sized hole in a pair of assos shorts this morning due to the road being awash with petrol. i also now have a hip sized patch of road rash all over my hip.

on another note im buying more lights - i felt really exposed out there today, any ideas?
i think i will have a few more flashers on the back, on the front i want a powerful bastard to line up next to my flasher, 50 - 60 quids to spend - ideally i want one of them ones with a separate battery pack so most of the bulk isnt on my bars.
cheers

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 05, 2008, 07:52:51 pm
The roads are f***ing awful - got to agree there, and the councils are suppose to be encouraging cycling - not sure where you live chappers but I was cycling down Rustlings road and on to Eccie Road the other day and there was a line of oil / diesel all the way down it. It was bloody lethal. Anyway I got up the source of this - a 20 year old bus puffing ou all manner of toxic fumes. I told the driver, who informed me it wasn't his problem.

Light wise. On the rear get one of these:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Blackburn_Mars_40_Safety_Rear_Light/5360037937/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Blackburn_Mars_40_Safety_Rear_Light/5360037937/) Amazingly bright.

or
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Cateye_TL_LD610_Rear_Light/5360031618/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Cateye_TL_LD610_Rear_Light/5360031618/)

Up front spend a bit more than £50 if you can, I rate these exposures - fatdoc thinks his doesn't hold the charge so well after a years use, but mine seem fine - and I used mine to commute through the winter last year. I have a small one for the helmet and a big one on the bar - the weight doesn't effect handling and they are seriously bright. Cars actually stop at junctions and don't pull out. They are good enough for off-road night riding as well. The new Hope lights are also good apparently.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/m/Cycle/7/Exposure/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/m/Cycle/7/Exposure/)

Or this cateye is good.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Cateye_EL610_Single_Shot_Plus_Front_Light/5360031622/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Cateye_EL610_Single_Shot_Plus_Front_Light/5360031622/)

Also wear a light on your bag or shirt and get some little ones for the back of your helmet.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Electron_Backupz_Seatpost_5_LED_Rear_Light/5360020255/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Electron_Backupz_Seatpost_5_LED_Rear_Light/5360020255/)




Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 06, 2008, 01:41:56 pm
I was thinking of the Cheshire Cat as a nice sportive to start the season off with. Not sure about the 102 mile version though.

Anybody want to join me on the 67 mile girls version? I think Fatdoc did this last year so he should be persuadable...


yah..

i'm on for the lickle one...  you'll piss it Tim. honest. I'd be surprised if you get out of the big ring.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 06, 2008, 01:49:22 pm
OMG

i just saw the route map (fatkid entered me whilst I was abroad last week) for the 67 cat, it's got the killer hill in it and it's much much harder than last years jaunt.

i'm bricking it.

oh god.....  :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on November 06, 2008, 01:52:49 pm
i would like to make a rant about the shitty state of britain's shitty fucking roads.
i managed to put a hip sized hole in a pair of assos shorts this morning due to the road being awash with petrol. i also now have a hip sized patch of road rash all over my hip.

on another note im buying more lights - i felt really exposed out there today, any ideas?
i think i will have a few more flashers on the back, on the front i want a powerful bastard to line up next to my flasher, 50 - 60 quids to spend - ideally i want one of them ones with a separate battery pack so most of the bulk isnt on my bars.
cheers

But if the road is covered in petrol you probably want the surface less smooth so you have less chance of your wheels slipping?

My new front light is good, very bright, I can give you a demo if you want, but I got it more for MTBing so it may be a bit overkill for only a road bike.  It was £160 though.

If you promise to go slow, ie my fastest pace, we could go out for a night ride if you wanted sometime?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on November 06, 2008, 02:43:04 pm
OMG

i just saw the route map (fatkid entered me whilst I was abroad last week) for the 67 cat, it's got the killer hill in it and it's much much harder than last years jaunt.

i'm bricking it.

oh god.....  :'(

Just signed up for this then, something to keep the miles going over the winter.

The website mentions a Peak Sportive on 24th October.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 06, 2008, 03:54:52 pm
OMG

i just saw the route map (fatkid entered me whilst I was abroad last week) for the 67 cat, it's got the killer hill in it and it's much much harder than last years jaunt.

i'm bricking it.

oh god.....  :'(

Woops - forgot to mention that bit.  :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 06, 2008, 03:59:37 pm
I'm also going to buy one of them Garmin 705 bike / sat nav things so I can't get lost again. Knowing my luck it'll probably break and I'll still get lost on the way.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 06, 2008, 05:15:20 pm
i just discovered them. well, last night. that's my xmas present sorted then.

and the power meter compatability is amazing! i've been holding off for something that does everything.

now the question is powertap or cinqo....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 06, 2008, 05:19:55 pm
Yossarian have you seen one in action - the reviews seem mixed & it seems a huge out-lay for something you know will be bettered in 6 months time. I know that's the thing with technology but its over £400 to get the all singing dancing one.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 06, 2008, 05:26:58 pm
erm no.

i've held off buying anything like this because (a) i already have a venerable polar computer (b) vaguely wanted a power meter, but am not really good enough to justify it, and they don't do a lot besides power (c) thought that one day something would come out that would be really good.

this looks like that thing.  the reviews i've read sound pretty good. apart from battery life (15hrs?) and a crap manual (who reads the manual?) what's not to like? apart from the price.

the navi thing is quite a nice touch, but what i really want is something that can be swapped from bike to bike, does accurate speed / altitude / cadence, etc, has the option of measuring power accurately without too much fuss, and then does some cool stuff like synching with a computer to make nice wiggly lines of where i've been, flag down passing spaceships and storing brothel locations as waypoints.

i'm sure a better one will come out, but i think it's still a major step forward from anything that anyone's produced before.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 06, 2008, 05:39:01 pm
sorry, so who's entering which distance in the Cat?

i am tempted by the longer one, but only because i'm sitting in a very comfortable (virtual) armchair and it is some months away...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 06, 2008, 05:48:15 pm
Fatdoc has been entered for the 67 mile effort, with Mow Cop, I was going to enter him for the 102 mile one but thought better of it, as I'm of to Spain with him in Feb & in case I need another reference.

I'm doing the 102 mile one - couple of guys not on here are doing the 102 one as well.

Go on you know you want to, I expect Percy & Tir will enter, and maybe we can all persuade Norton to don the lycra for some road action.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on November 06, 2008, 06:07:54 pm
Yup, I've signed up for the 66 miler. Too early in the year to do 100 miles in my book. There's bouldering and skiing to be done.

Good luck with Norton....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 06, 2008, 07:29:59 pm
I'm in for the 66 mile one (although once you've entered it says its 67 miles. I'm not sure about that last mile....!) Sounds like a much more 'interesting' route than last year. It could be worth hanging around on top of Mow Cop just to witness Fatdoc on the killer mile of 1 in 4! (not really, FD - you'll piss it :kiss2:) Any sign of route profile anywhere?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 06, 2008, 07:31:33 pm
I think we should all chip in for an extra entry for Norton..... I would like to witness Nortons final outing as a closet roadie at The Cat
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 06, 2008, 07:49:19 pm
and you or the Kid will have a bike to fit him.....


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 06, 2008, 08:03:41 pm
oi oi. myself and a few others are doing the 102.

light wise what do those in the know think about this?
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=30160 (http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=30160)

also - who here knows how powerful a lumen is? i want a chart showing me distance and how far the lumens will light up?
will that one be good enough for a night time road ride on country lanes as well as making car drivers aware of my presence?

ta.

btw - some top fell off here is sending me some speedplay pedals for free! amazing - what a legend!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 06, 2008, 08:15:23 pm
Indeed I do. Norton can borrow my track bike. The fixed 90" gear should be a revelation for his short levers ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 06, 2008, 08:23:43 pm
I can lend the Norton my winter bike with guards & a really heavy wheel-set, but I think a fixed wheel sounds even better. We all know Norton loves to wear lycra, he just can't admit to it - hiding it under his baggies.

I used to ride speed play pedals - too much float for my liking, but loads of people really rate them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 06, 2008, 09:34:40 pm
too much float for me2, I now use basic Looks, set up by a quality LBS
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 06, 2008, 09:54:42 pm

also - who here knows how powerful a lumen is? i want a chart showing me distance and how far the lumens will light up?
will that one be good enough for a night time road ride on country lanes as well as making car drivers aware of my presence?


i rode london to brighton at night with fatdoc's light. that was great on medium, and the full beam was quite effective at dealing with blacked-out lincoln continentals in croydon. dunno how many lumens it is - maybe 900 on full?

i've recently rescued my light&motion arc. that's about 650 lumens.  i used to train at night with that on the road bike. sent the HR monitor a bit loopy though. and impressed an owl.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 07, 2008, 07:32:38 am
720. this years are 920.

To be fully honest it's not as bright - or the light isnt as useful - as my old HID. this is for MTB mind... on the road it's the dogs...

i've seen 1 900+ lumen system in action: Norton's 4 led Hope light... it's a lot brighter than mine... technology is moving soo fast in this area that every year there are big differences in true visible light..

 i cant find a comparision of watts / lumens either.... you really need to see what they look like to your eyes... people see differently...


i'm getting one of these

www.exposurelights.com/products/joystick_maxx_2_-_2009/index.php (http://www.exposurelights.com/products/joystick_maxx_2_-_2009/index.php)

for my helmet once the LBS has them in stock  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 07, 2008, 12:11:40 pm
I'm thinking about a lupine light - as being really blind (well badly longsighted) I need as much light asa possible for night rides.

Has anybody else noticed how quiet Norton is being??? - Closet roadie me thinks.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on November 07, 2008, 12:16:43 pm
I'm thinking about a lupine light - as being really blind (well badly longsighted) I need as much light asa possible for night rides.

Has anybody else noticed how quiet Norton is being??? - Closet roadie me thinks.

What good are flowers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupin) going to be for riding at night?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on November 07, 2008, 12:24:44 pm
also - who here knows how powerful a lumen is? i want a chart showing me distance and how far the lumens will light up?
will that one be good enough for a night time road ride on country lanes as well as making car drivers aware of my presence?

This web page has a good comparison for different lights:
http://www.mtbr.com/beamcomparisoncrx.aspx (http://www.mtbr.com/beamcomparisoncrx.aspx)
They've MTB based, but should give reasonable examples of the difference between the lights.  I have the photon max LED, which is 800 lumens.  You can switch it from 12watts, 6 watts, 4 watts or blinking.  I can meet you after work if you want to see what it's like.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 07, 2008, 12:31:28 pm
Quote
Has anybody else noticed how quiet Norton is being??? - Closet roadie me thinks

He's in Font, walking around in the rain I should imagine.

I'll wager a lot of beer that Norton will never get on a road bike.  - I'd love to see it mind
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 10, 2008, 09:14:41 am
well, a little 38km jaunt through the sleet and wind yesterday morning has really brought it home to me how much work i need to do for the Cat  :'(  And that's just to make it round, never mind do OK.

As the MTB trails are now soaking and generally more than a bit scetchy, and the sportives for 2009 are coming on line I'm taking the liberty of the *calling of the road*

I'll be getting perc and fatkid to drag me about the peak in an attempt to get the fitness  :(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 10, 2008, 11:07:00 am
Calling of the road? You've got it all topsy-turvy, FD!

There's no road sessions for me unless we get a few dry crispy early morning rides in (ie: dry roads - I'm not ruining a decent bike on wet winter roads, although it is a good way of justifying buying a new groupset next spring!)

I'd like to announce the calling of the hardcore turbo session in my garage, coupled with a load of boggy XC mileage. That should see me through the next few months!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 10, 2008, 01:11:39 pm
The only time anybody takes any notice of me is when I'm away! :kiss2:

So I'm off again now, ta ra ....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 10, 2008, 02:23:09 pm
Maybe the Wednesday XC saddles sniffers club, should become an after work turbo session - should build abit of team spirit etc for the cat.

Percy - I think a winter of XC will do far more damage to your hardtail than abit of winter road mileage.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 10, 2008, 05:17:04 pm
True, but my MTB is worth 5 times less than my road bike, so I'm far more inclined to try and break my MTB this winter than my Lightspeed!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 10, 2008, 07:48:39 pm
it's breaking yourself that should be more important dude  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on November 12, 2008, 02:54:20 pm
Apropos of absolutely nothing, I did the Col de Vance on Monday as part of a 100ker with a blindingly fit French bloke and a German with huge thighs. At least the French guy had the good grace to be on a seriously sexy carbon Look with a col killing compact on. The German was on a an ancient steel thing with a drive which wouldn't look out of place in a windmill and a back block that would have fitted happily into a ladies swiss watch. Needless to say they both dropped me like they were riding in a parallel dimension: one visible to the one I was in but with really quite noticeably less gravity. Anyway I got round and it was really really purrty.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on November 12, 2008, 06:32:04 pm
 :)

I bet the bloody sun was shining though?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 12, 2008, 10:05:53 pm
Apropos of absolutely nothing, I did the Col de Vance on Monday as part of a 100ker with a blindingly fit French bloke and a German with huge thighs. At least the French guy had the good grace to be on a seriously sexy carbon Look with a col killing compact on. The German was on a an ancient steel thing with a drive which wouldn't look out of place in a windmill and a back block that would have fitted happily into a ladies swiss watch. Needless to say they both dropped me like they were riding in a parallel dimension: one visible to the one I was in but with really quite noticeably less gravity. Anyway I got round and it was really really purrty.

that's you killing me when you get back to sheff mate, respect  :great:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on November 13, 2008, 04:58:21 pm
:)

I bet the bloody sun was shining though?
Yeah, with snow covered mountains in distance, and little French villages with fountains and boulangeries and everything. Actually I'm getting misty eyed for it and I'm still here. It has been a bit mingy today though.
Anyway Fatdoc up for a bit of road and or mountain bike action when I get back? (Next wed) pm me if y'are.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 21, 2008, 08:02:32 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/DSC_0013-2.jpg)
i just bought this...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on November 24, 2008, 12:35:15 am
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/the_third_eye/DSC_0013-2.jpg)
i just bought this...
How expensive are stickers with 531 on them?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 24, 2008, 05:06:53 pm
20 p - unless fatdoc is purchasing in which case who knows.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 24, 2008, 05:17:48 pm
In Fatdoc's case, the 531 sticker would be the price tag.

Seriously though, Chappers, WTF have you frittered your hard earned away on now?

And on an even different note, I'm currently reading 'A dog in a hat', by former pro, Joe Parkin. Very gritty read, and a very clear illustration of how prevalent drug taking was in Belgian and Dutch cycling in the 80's. Recommended.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 24, 2008, 09:26:02 pm

And on an even different note, I'm currently reading 'A dog in a hat', by former pro, Joe Parkin. Very gritty read, and a very clear illustration of how prevalent drug taking was in Belgian and Dutch cycling in the 80's. Recommended.

Mate of mine was first amateur to finish in the world Ironman championship, about 10 years aso - ended up training with some pro-tour teams. He moaned to the team doctor about the fact he couldn't recover as quick as the other riders - anyway he got offered all sorts.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 25, 2008, 01:16:44 pm
that last post explains alot about your hill climbing times mate

 :-[
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 25, 2008, 01:32:49 pm
Seriously though, Chappers, WTF have you frittered your hard earned away on now?

ha ha, i now own a vintage handbuilt terry dolan track frame. what i will do with it i have no idea. seriously it was a bargain!?!?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 25, 2008, 08:53:06 pm
I have just experienced the joys of turbo-training it is quite possibly the most sweat inducing training I've ever undertaken - the joys to come as I get ready for next years sportives.

I've also noticed that Mr wiggle is now stocking some 'good value' wheelsets... http://www.wiggle.co.uk/m/Cycle/7/Lightweight/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/m/Cycle/7/Lightweight/)..well you know fatdoc is bound to indulge.

that last post explains alot about your hill climbing times mate

Out in primary care my CERA supply has dried up. Must find a new source...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 26, 2008, 08:12:31 am
£782.96 for a rear mech?

The best part of £3K for a pair of hops?

Very nice, but confirms my theory that buying bike parts is like buying ladies lingerie - the more you pay the less you get....

Go on Fatdoc - a nice pair of the Ventoux wheels would look nice on your bike, and sensible commuting wheels too if ever I saw some.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 26, 2008, 01:48:58 pm
I just ordered a 2009 Fox 32 15mmQR TALAS 150-130-110 and a correspending wheel build of Hope pro II on DT swiss 5.1D with double butted black spokes on brass nipples for my 40th pressie...

Might have the reign in the roadie spend for a bit  :-[
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on November 26, 2008, 01:54:42 pm
Have I missed something? I thought that you had just got your 'old' forks sorted?

Have you ever had any forks long enough for them to even bed in?

Sell your 'old' ones to Dr. Capper. :great:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 26, 2008, 02:28:12 pm
capper not keen.

I want a fork with more beef :-)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 26, 2008, 02:29:44 pm
Have I missed something? I thought that you had just got your 'old' forks sorted?


I heard that rumour as well from the horses mouth - obviously changed his mind already!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 26, 2008, 06:13:35 pm
want more from my fork...  8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 26, 2008, 06:39:06 pm
Lets open a sweep stake ~ How long before fatdoc has changed his fork again???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 26, 2008, 07:11:26 pm
For forks sake, FD. You obviously need a new bike. The new forks will look out of place on the shody old frame. And it is your 40th.... :-\

Back to roadie stuff, I sold my PlanetX to Sasscotty (or 8b Scott as he might now well be known) who, on reciept of his new steed pegged it out to Burbage for a test run, whizzed back into Sheff, stopped at Hunters Bar r/bout, failed to unclip his feet quick enough, and took the ride (dislocating his pinky on impact)! :-[ Its a dangerous business, this road biking. Be careful out there Scott. You don't want to get a reputation like Fatdoc for falling off things and busting yourself ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 26, 2008, 08:15:01 pm
Lets open a sweep stake ~ How long before fatdoc has changed his fork again???

None left, I will shortly own the daddy of all mountain forks  ;D

No way changing the frame.... me lurvve it
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 09, 2008, 08:23:39 pm
This profiles for you, Fatdoc. Click the link - http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=23565 (http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=23565)  , then click the Summary tab. Thats the hill profile for the mid-distance Cheshire Cat. It has 80% of the hills that the long version has, so should be quicker, but still as painfull.

Spikey, isn't it? :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on December 09, 2008, 08:48:09 pm
1500 m of ascent - walk in the park. Providing I don't get lost!!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 10, 2008, 03:53:16 pm
As I've said before we need a vomit smiley on here...  :'(

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on December 10, 2008, 04:11:49 pm
As I've said before we need a vomit smiley on here...  :'(



(http://themixingbowl.org/static/img/smilies/sick.gif)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 11, 2008, 03:04:43 pm
me want... perhaps ask bubba to put on forum???

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on December 13, 2008, 08:27:07 pm
Anybody fancy a short road ride tomorrow afternoon, about 1ish maybe from Beauchief?

Forecast is no wind, dry and bloody cold.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dude on January 02, 2009, 08:39:10 pm
Hi,  I'm fancying heading to the alps in the spring maybe on train, maybe via motor for a few days before child number 2 arrives! Does anyone know any websites etc which has advice about alps circuits, I'm pretty ignorant apart form knowing which the classics are. I was after like 4-7 day circuit with acomm info etc. Any advice appreciated cheers
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on January 05, 2009, 09:51:41 am
Don't forget folks, Fred Whitton Entry Forms will be available on the website from midnight tomorrow.

On that note, any Sheffield or Peak roadies who want to get out in the next few months, just let me know. I need to ramp up the mileage.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on January 05, 2009, 11:34:04 am
I may give the Fred a go this year - when is it? But  I need to knuckle down and do some exam revision  :thumbsdown: so that prevent me.

I'd be up for some road miles if I return from Spain in one piece.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on January 05, 2009, 12:36:14 pm
Sunday May 10th is the date of the ride.

You'll need to download the form at midnight and get it in the first post apparently to stand any chance.

The Lakeland Loop in April is a good training Sportive for it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on January 05, 2009, 01:08:00 pm
NExt year me thinks -  as my exam is in May, but I'll still be up for some training miles
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on January 08, 2009, 04:41:25 pm
Product recall on Mavic wheels - I have a feeling that Percy runs these, anyway be of some use to some of you.
http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/3734 (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/3734)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on January 08, 2009, 05:10:53 pm
Cheers fatkid, just alerted my mate at work who runs these (on his Siena, along with Sram Red, the lucky/rich  ****). Since those wheels don't get to go out over the winter anyway, it looks like he's going to get a free askium front wheel for zero inconvenience!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 09, 2009, 04:29:03 pm
HOT news

bicicleta is soon to go under new management, still with all Zipp stuff et al... there's a sniff of some *new management* deals coming soon, a web shop (oh god no...) and new ranges of stock


get in there boys... 2nd week of Feb is when it's all happening!!


no news on an extension into bling MTB as of yet.... but if it does Norton just blew his life savings, as he lives 500m away!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on January 10, 2009, 06:46:32 pm
Sounds interesting, mmmm, new shiny stuff....

Started my Whitton training today. 90 slightly chilly km round the Peak. In fact it was so chilly that the SIS in my water bottle froze.

I have to confess that my Froggatt hill time on the way back wasn't my fastest.... Quite tired by the time I got home. Still, got a few months to improve.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on January 10, 2009, 06:54:34 pm
This website?

http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/ (http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/)

Its a shame they only sell stupid expensive Ti frames. Are the new chaps going to expand the range?



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on January 10, 2009, 08:25:40 pm
There are some full carbon HED frames on sale for under £500. Fatdoc would look nice on one of those!
Cheers for the heads-up on the Mavic recall - I wish I could run a pair of R-SYS wheels, but alas I could never shell out the best part of a grand for a pair of bike wheels. Well, not unless they didn't break and weren't made by the French...... ;) I did try a test pair last year, and they were very fast, but not £800 fast!
Any word on whether you got a place on the Whitton yet, Tim?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on January 12, 2009, 01:17:29 pm
Find out next week I think, but my entry was hand delivered on the first day (by a very kind 80's climbing wad) so chances are good.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 12, 2009, 03:54:50 pm
This website?

http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/ (http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/)

Its a shame they only sell stupid expensive Ti frames. Are the new chaps going to expand the range?





Yes, a lot... you're bust mate!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on January 12, 2009, 08:11:18 pm
Not buying any new bikes for at least a year - so I doubt I'll be visiting in the near future.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on January 13, 2009, 04:14:19 pm

Any word on whether you got a place on the Whitton yet, Tim?

Yep, list is on the website. Where's that vomit smiley when you need it?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on January 20, 2009, 06:09:13 pm
First time at the velodrome in at least 8 months today for a two hour session with a very large group of "vets" who dished out quite a beasting! After the first 20 minutes I was pretty much finished/totally destroyed/had a heart rate over190 and thinking I might have to give up, but eventually 'manned up' and pushed on for the full session. Now my legs hurt. A lot. So back again on sunday then!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 25, 2009, 05:37:53 pm
that sounds quite hardcore...

does anyone know anything about the new campag 11 speed system?  like does it take up the same room on the freewheel as 10 speed?

it's just that i'm thinking about buying a (very well-priced) tt bike with campag 10, and my current road bike has campag 10, and if i decide to go made at some point this year and buy a new road bike with 11 then it would be nice if i could swap wheels between them. swapping the cassettes too, obviously.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on January 25, 2009, 05:45:11 pm
From what I've read and can remember the freewheel is the same size - they've just stuffed an extra cog in the cassette and then narrowed the chain. Although that's probably an over simplification. Not sure about whether you need differing shifters.

I saw a cento uno with full super record the other day - shame I don't have £3.8K to waste!!!

What bike you gettting then?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 25, 2009, 05:56:35 pm
The one I want to get soonish is a 07 Wilier Lavaredo Crono. 

I am still thinking about the Cento Uno, but only if i can do some kind of amazing deal, and only if I actually achieve something along the lines of some decent results or overtaking lots of people out on the road.  Imagine the shame if some old codger passed you with a 1982 531 special, and you're on a multi thousand pound carbon weapon.  You would feel, well, like a bit of a weapon.

I should stop buying bikes though.  I couldn't resist a cherry red / yellow tyres / anodised gold bits SE Racing OM Flyer the other day.  Pics to follow on the dead tasty bikes thread...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on January 25, 2009, 08:02:44 pm
Well BOLLOCKS is all I've got to say. I was just getting psyched for the Cheshire Cat sportive when I get some work that I can't really afford not to do that clashes perfectly with the Cat. Soooo, if anybody wants my place, then just ask. I'm booked in for the medium (or long) version - you can decide which you prefer. I'm genuinely a bit gutted to miss the first decent sportive of the season, but thats the way it goes. Now I'm on the look out for a different sportive later in the year to do  - anybody got any suggestions?

Me and Mr Bentley took to the boards at the velodrome today (on a jolly with Buxton CC courtesy of an invite from Neil P at Climb) - it was eminently less painful than the normal SQT sessions, but a good laugh - particularly the team sprints!

The days seem to be getting longer so it won't long before I can manage to get out on the bike in the evenings without fear of being crushed by traffic :thumbsup:
So the big question is, when are the MTB boys going to hang up their steam-rollers for another year and get down with the lycra crew?!! Fatdoc? You're Willier has probably rusted up, so maybe a new bike purchase is in the offing, surely? ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on January 25, 2009, 09:05:31 pm
had a most excellent ride out on saturday arvo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373)

..thighs are a bit chafed tho'
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 25, 2009, 09:14:02 pm
that is fucking class.

that knocks my gatsby cap and other amusing garmets-clad vintage sports car club rally second place into a cocked hat.

why the fuck didn't anyone tell me about this event?  eh?

my old colnago was calling out for such a thing.

i am just going to have to organise my own now.  <arms folded>
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 25, 2009, 09:38:51 pm
pith helmet downhilling anyone?

last one to run over a tiger is a rotten egg, what...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on February 15, 2009, 03:33:45 pm
As I'm out the Cheshire Cat with a knee injury I'm entering the 96 mile version of this. Looks a pretty hard course with Mow Cop , Wynatts, and some hills over Bradfield.
http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=6 (http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=6)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on February 15, 2009, 07:57:29 pm
that is fucking class.

that knocks my gatsby cap and other amusing garmets-clad vintage sports car club rally second place into a cocked hat.

why the fuck didn't anyone tell me about this event?  eh?

my old colnago was calling out for such a thing.

i am just going to have to organise my own now.  <arms folded>
I'm very surprised you weren't there Yoss. This bikes got your name written all over it, is it yours?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225368775/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225368775/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 16, 2009, 01:32:14 pm
Nope. I'm into cherry red this month...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 16, 2009, 01:32:51 pm
make that cherry red with gold anodising and yellow gum-walled tyres...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 16, 2009, 08:13:07 pm
As I'm out the Cheshire Cat with a knee injury I'm entering the 96 mile version of this. Looks a pretty hard course with Mow Cop , Wynatts, and some hills over Bradfield.
http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=6 (http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=6)



Think I'm up for this one, seeing as how the Cat is now a no go. Sounds good. I might do the one in the fens too as a change of scene - 150+ miles of flat going full tilt sounds amusing....I think...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on February 16, 2009, 09:32:41 pm
As I'm out the Cheshire Cat with a knee injury I'm entering the 96 mile version of this. Looks a pretty hard course with Mow Cop , Wynatts, and some hills over Bradfield.
http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=6 (http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=6)



Think I'm up for this one, seeing as how the Cat is now a no go. Sounds good. I might do the one in the fens too as a change of scene - 150+ miles of flat going full tilt sounds amusing....I think...
Which one in the fens? I'm going to be working down there.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 17, 2009, 08:22:36 pm
This one

http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=9 (http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=9)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on February 17, 2009, 08:28:03 pm
Its a little bit north and west of where I'm working but could be persuaded.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 18, 2009, 09:35:07 am
Go on, Joe. Its only 153 miles of pain.

 :jaw:
I'm keen, I think....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on February 18, 2009, 09:47:06 am
Its abit flat though isn't it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on February 18, 2009, 09:51:58 am
I'll have to finalise this year's work programme and take a look see.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 18, 2009, 05:17:51 pm
Its abit flat though isn't it.

That's the novelty - I doubt whether you could do 153 miles in under 6 hours in the Peak, but I reckon you could be in with a shout in the fens - given that you get into a strong group of like-minded riders and have favourable wind conditions!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on February 18, 2009, 07:14:03 pm
Its abit flat though isn't it.

That's the novelty - I doubt whether you could do 153 miles in under 6 hours in the Peak, but I reckon you could be in with a shout in the fens - given that you get into a strong group of like-minded riders and have favourable wind conditions!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I couldn't do it in under 6hrs, down hill in a straight fuckin' line
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 18, 2009, 08:37:10 pm
Nor could I, Joe, but we all need ridiculous targets to strive for! Maybe under 7 hours is more achievable. I managed the British etape (120 rolling miles with a few 4th cat climbs) in six and a half hours with very little preparation (H) so 150 flat miles - well, how hard can it be?!?!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on February 18, 2009, 08:45:42 pm
Nor could I, Joe, but we all need ridiculous targets to strive for! Maybe under 7 hours is more achievable. I managed the British etape (120 rolling miles with a few 4th cat climbs) in six and a half hours with very little preparation (H) so 150 flat miles - well, how hard can it be?!?!


Percy I am keen (this is what scares me).
Let me get my work sched sorted and then we'll go for it. Working in Norfolk I'll have loads of opportunity to train.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on February 21, 2009, 09:05:54 pm
Just done my first ride of the year, any slower and I'd have been going backwards; but its a start. 64k in about 1,000,000 years. Lungs OK but legs a mess. I don't suppose a bottle and a half New World Red last night helped either.  :alky:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Shy Yorkshireman on March 04, 2009, 06:39:29 am
Just done my first ride of the year, any slower and I'd have been going backwards; but its a start. 64k in about 1,000,000 years.  

Know how you feel Jo, My eyes nearly came out my head going Cubar, after only 40k. 10 weeks to go to the Whitton shit! Better get some miles and some hills in. Anyone else on here booked in for some pain on the 10th of may?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 09, 2009, 03:06:41 pm
 
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Know how you feel Jo, My eyes nearly came out my head going Cubar, after only 40k. 10 weeks to go to the Whitton shit! Better get some miles and some hills in. Anyone else on here booked in for some pain on the 10th of may?
[/quote]

Yup, I'll be there, walking up Hardknott.....

Don't seem to have managed anywhere near as much riding as last year so beating my time might be a distant dream.

I'm keen to get out riding if you're interested Mr Yorkshireman? Usually Sunday mornings at about 10.30 from Eccelsall Rd South.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 15, 2009, 12:51:12 am
holy shit - who went out riding today? (sat)
i almost lost my mind battling a head wind up the entire snake pass. it was hell on earth.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on March 16, 2009, 07:37:00 am
Blowy wasn't it! Up and over Stanage, then up Derwent res and over the moors into Stocksbridge before a pleasant run home with the wind on my back - finally. There wasn't a lot of point in having a bike on the tops though, especially when I had to ride most of it without SPDs clipped in because the wind was too high. I need to learn to put the flatties back on the bike sometimes   :-[
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on March 19, 2009, 08:07:15 pm
Having started back on the bike for the first time in 6 weeks I rode into work. My knee appears fixed.  :thumbsup:

I am thinking of changing my pedals - having broken one today. Given my recent knee problems I'm thinking of changing to speedplay as the float is suppose to be good for those with knee problems. Anyone ridden them or got another idea?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 22, 2009, 08:22:06 pm
mark cavendish eh?!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 23, 2009, 02:19:02 pm
Any of you boys doing the Cheshire Cat this weekend (in the snow...).

I know that Fatkid and Percy were signed up but can't do it now.

Fatdocs health is an ever changing thing, so not sure where he's at right now.

Anybody else?

We are just doing the 100km, and given the forecast I'm glad thats all we are doing. We could probably give one person a lift over from Sheffield if needed.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 23, 2009, 03:28:12 pm
ill be there. also just going to do the 100km now. im still carrying a cold from my trip over the snake pass in the wind the other week!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 23, 2009, 03:37:06 pm
Cool. You're welcome to ride with the two of us if you want, a peleton to shelter in could be quite useful!

We'll probably be starting later rather than soon I'd have thought by the time we've driven over and sorted ourselves out.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on March 23, 2009, 07:02:25 pm
I have just started riding a bike again so I am not riding as the furthest I have been on a bike is 20 miles in the past 8 weeks.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 23, 2009, 10:29:23 pm
fatkid, have my speedplay MTB pedals off me and see if you like em, it's like pedalling on glass!! you love em or hate em

I'm not doing the Cat. I too seem to have failed to ride enough on the road, but am slowly getting into it again

I'm also seem to be coughin up puss, which is nice :-(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on March 24, 2009, 09:57:59 am
Yet again FD is coughing up pus - must have permanent MRSA or ESBL in his chest.

Looks like Lance may not be doing le tour having fallen off his bike.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 24, 2009, 10:54:31 am
tlr, ill send you a pm. i would enjoy riding with others, not sure how fit i will be along side you, i have only done one ride over 75miles so far this year. also my lovely carbon Kuota is fucked so looks like i am going to ride my alloy ribble training bike!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 30, 2009, 11:35:50 am
Well, Cheshire Cat yesterday was pretty good fun. 109kms in the sun round some excellent scenery. My friend and I met up with Chappers at the start and rode round with him for the full distance. Got round in about 4.45 I think which included a puncture and a couple of reinflations so not too bad, we certainly weren't overtaken by anybody all day (obviously all the decent riders do the full fat long version, whereas we did the girls route).

Really flat first 35km all in the big ring followed by a fairly lumpy 50km and then a flat finish (apart from the cobbled Swiss Hill).

The main event of Mow Cop was fine really, the steep part is only very short. There was an amazing number of people getting off and walking at the first sign of any incline though, probably more than I’ve seen on other events.

Thanks to Matt and Chappers for a good day.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 30, 2009, 08:11:25 pm
cheers for dragging me round Tim, hopefully i will get strong enough to do the same for others one day!
a great day out.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 31, 2009, 01:46:42 pm
Results (and pictures) are available now.

Looks like the rather depleted Team UKB came in the top 10% of the finishers. Hard to be more exact as I suspect the results aren't entirely accurate. Not sure anybody could have got round that course in 2 hours as the results claim!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 31, 2009, 02:44:15 pm
where did you find them, i cant see on kilotogo website...  :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 31, 2009, 03:03:45 pm
http://www.mailm.co.uk/2/link.php?M=2512236&N=1442&L=1415&F=H (http://www.mailm.co.uk/2/link.php?M=2512236&N=1442&L=1415&F=H)

This is them, I think....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on March 31, 2009, 10:04:07 pm
Managed to get round the 102/105 miler without getting off in around 8 hrs including stops so not to speedy.
It was certainly tougher than last year and I had more miles in the legs last year.
Enjoyed the cobbles of swiss hill, anyone for paris-roubaix sportive next year ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 31, 2009, 10:07:06 pm
where are the photos??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 31, 2009, 10:54:51 pm
Pictures are here:

http://sportivephoto.thirdlight.com/search.tlx (http://sportivephoto.thirdlight.com/search.tlx)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 01, 2009, 08:30:28 am
cheers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 01, 2009, 02:56:24 pm
as predicted my mate Ben got round the full 102 miles in just a little over 6hrs. Amazing considering he had a terrible crash into a cattle grid smashing himself up, getting a lift to hospital in an ambulance and breaking his fingers only a month and a bit ago.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 03, 2009, 01:29:25 pm
Right my commutting road bike needs abit of an overhaul. It needs a new headset and bottom bracket. I'm thinking of getting chris king components put on. I know their stuff is more expensive than most but is it worth the extra. The bike gets hammered and needs decently engineered bits to last. If it makes no difference I'll just get some standard bits put on. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on April 03, 2009, 08:30:53 pm
this list may help inform a decision (http://www.londonfgss.com/thread3372-4.html)

if not, it's nice to indulge in a little cycle geekery  :-[

un54 does what it says on the tin, not so good if you're into splinedness
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on April 03, 2009, 09:48:26 pm
Right my commutting road bike needs abit of an overhaul. It needs a new headset and bottom bracket.

Nah, it needs some wireless gears (http://www.wiggleblog.com/2009/04/03/focus-izalco-extreme-extreme-di2/)

 :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 17, 2009, 04:45:27 pm
Today's cycling optimises the word - arse.

First mechanical - broken cleat - fucks knows how - anyway fixed that before leaving the house.

Second mechanical - rear puncture - going at full pelt down a dual carriage-way. Repair it with spare tube.

Third mechanical - front puncture - Repair it with second spare tube - I always carry 2. One mile from the first.

Fourth mechanical - rear puncture and shreaded tyre (well its got a biggish hole in it. About 3 miles from the first.
The tyre was fine after the first puncture.

So looks like I need to buy some over priced pieces of rubber - arse.

Three punctures on one day of commutting - thats more than I've suffered in 18 months of cycling to work. I'm blaming the shit roads of Rotherham.

Anyone got any suggestions for some tough tyres - I was running Conti Gatorskins. I've got some stronger tubes already which are apparently puncture resistant (I'll let you know when I've broken one)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2009, 07:20:33 pm
Harsh. I run (well ran - until it was stolen :'() Gatorskins on my town bike and have never flatted, but clearly you're in need of something even heavier duty. Think I remember something about michelin doing some sort of extra thick tyre aimed at the trendy kids of brooklyn for skidding, though I imagine it'd weigh a ton.

Edit: it was Halo (http://www.evanscycles.com/products/halo/twin-rail-courier-tyre-ec018531). They look shite.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 19, 2009, 10:50:14 pm
they ARE shit. no grip in the wet from what i have been told by people.

i personally would like to big up the continental Grand Prix 4 season. amazing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on April 23, 2009, 01:31:32 pm
Rode the Lakeland Loop sportive couple of weeks ago and achieved my goal of cycling up Hardknott but on the way bumped into Jason Myers who posted a respectable time. There seems to be a few climbers Bentley, Pearsons etc that are posting quick times, does being a good climber mean you'll be good at cycling ?
Superficially they don't seem to have a lot in common but I guess these guys just have good athletic genes.
Maybe someone like Rich Simpson (4 minute miler) could get on a bike and set a record Froggatt Hill Climb time ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on April 23, 2009, 05:47:25 pm
set a record Froggatt Hill Climb time ?


What is the record?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 23, 2009, 06:26:03 pm
set a record Froggatt Hill Climb time ?


What is the record?

No idea.... Under 15 mins is respectable, but I know a few people who post on this thread who've gone a minute or even two under this. I got overtaken by an old git on a battered fixie on it last winter, and I still got up in around 16 mins so he must have been really shifting.

It true that there are a lot of good climbers who do very well on the road (in sportives and races) but I think this is due to the fact these people are some of the most competitive swine you'll ever meet (even though climbing is obviously 'non-competitive' - yeah, right!). I'm very 'non-competitive' myself, which is why I find it so hard to let anybody ever overtake me.
There is also the stuborn-ness and ability to quite enjoy suffering engendered in many types of climbing that stand climbers in good stead for becoming roadies. Put simply, I think we perversely quite enjoy the pain.....cos we're daft
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bubba on April 23, 2009, 06:40:06 pm

What are the "official" start and end points for Froggatt Hill?

I'm already guessing it's from the bottom to the top, but where more specifically? The Calver to Grindleford road junction to the the Fox House to Owler Bar road?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 23, 2009, 06:46:11 pm
When I was fit about this time last year - I got up in 13 min 30s. Last weekend I was up in 14 mins on my winter bike.

The bench mark amongst local roadies is apparently 15 mins.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 23, 2009, 07:35:07 pm
Start your watch ticking at the give way lines where the froggatt road turns off the Claver to Grindleford road and stop the clock when you cross the give way lines at the top, a mile or two after the Grouse pub.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 23, 2009, 08:07:46 pm
When I was fit about this time last year - I got up in 13 min 30s. Last weekend I was up in 14 mins on my winter bike.

The bench mark amongst local roadies is apparently 15 mins.

That's the last time this year you bleat to me you're unfit  :spank:

Enjoy the road for the next 4 days, after that it's mtb time for you fatkid.. the trails are sooo dry at the mo it's awesome!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 23, 2009, 08:24:30 pm
And I'm at least half a stone overweight - so I can only go quicker this summer.

Anyone know how hard a headset is to fit. My winter bike is in real need of a new one - I was thinking CHris King.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on April 24, 2009, 08:30:45 am
that's titanium??

slip fbsf a few and he'll do it for you.


personally i've never ever had a problem with a chris king.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on April 28, 2009, 11:35:41 am
Is anyone doing The Tour Of The Peak on 24th October?

http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=6 (http://www.kilotogo.com/index.php?option=event_detail&event_id=6)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 28, 2009, 05:45:47 pm
I've entered - not sure if I'll be able to do it at the moment, as I'll be working in A&E then and the rota pattern is shit.

Looks a good course to me though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 29, 2009, 03:51:24 pm
Is this the future? Internally routed cables / wires and electronic shifting. From the reviews of dura-ace Di12 I think it may well be.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/wilier-launch-di2-version-of-their-cento-1-superbike-21387 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/wilier-launch-di2-version-of-their-cento-1-superbike-21387)

Cervelo's S3 is similar as well.

Just got to wait a few years (well 9 to be precise) before the wife will let buy another bike.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on April 29, 2009, 10:49:11 pm
sigh (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/stefan-schumacher-and-davide-rebellin-confirmed-positive-for-cera-21392)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on May 01, 2009, 02:10:10 pm
Poor me...

Saw a bloke wearing a Rapha jersey yesterday on Ringinglow rd. It's worth more than my bike.

Ah well.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 07, 2009, 09:12:13 pm
Looks like Lance must be back on the drugs for the Giro.

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/4007 (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/4007)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 07, 2009, 09:30:50 pm
jesus those bikes are fucking disgusting.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 09, 2009, 06:07:22 pm
What the fuck - Boonen's caught again
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tom-boonen-suspended-for-cocaine-again-21544 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tom-boonen-suspended-for-cocaine-again-21544)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 10, 2009, 09:26:01 pm
what a let down.

shame that cav didn't take the stage today i really want him to win everything so everyone that says to me "he is such a tosser, loudmouth"etc... i can turn around and say he has a right to be!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on May 11, 2009, 11:25:49 am
Cav's reaction was amazing; as he came over the line in second place he had the same look as Didier Drogba last wednesday. Get the impression he won't let it happen again.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 11, 2009, 09:43:21 pm
Second attempt at the Fred Whitton on Sunday. Weather wasn't as good as last year, but wasn't too bad (no wind, mild) until the top of Hardknott Pass when the heavens opened and dumped freezing hail and rain on everybody, leaving a nice film of slush on the descents off Hardknott and Wrynose. A few cases of near hypothermia at the finish.

Managed to beat last years time by 24 minutes, mainly by eating less at the feed stations I think rather than pedaling faster! And managed somehow not to walk at all.

Enjoyed my steak and beer afterwards.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Shy Yorkshireman on May 11, 2009, 10:53:21 pm
Nice one Tim. 24mins is a lot. Reckon it could have been more if the last ten miles weren't death.
I couldn't feel my hands or see the road on the last descent. Got pipped by a certain Basher by 4 mins as well.

After trying to sell my bike at the finish, i now can't wait for next year. roll on.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 12, 2009, 09:17:00 am
Bloody hell, 6.50 is a hell of a time for first attempt, well done. Beat me by 22 minutes despite all my training.

Have a wad.

Basher had trained like a beast to get that time to, so don't feel too bad about it!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Johnny Brown on May 12, 2009, 09:37:46 am
Its in his genes.

He'll have to do a lot better to impress me. I see you were still over an hour behind your bro Aidy you punter!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 12, 2009, 11:10:13 am
good effort boys.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 12, 2009, 11:11:33 am
Its all a matter of perspective, Tim! Well done on knocking 24 mins off last years time - 24 mins is a big difference on the road - maybe 7 or 8 miles even on lakeland roads.
By comparison, the Shy Yorkshireman will probably be the focus of some sibling ribbing at the next family get-together, letting the family name down like that. Slow-coach! Over 6 hours, and beaten by Basher too....the disgrace

 ;)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on May 12, 2009, 05:04:42 pm
Sounds fun, sort off.

In contrast I got pretty bad sunburn riding to Brighton on Sunday...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 12, 2009, 09:19:02 pm
This is a bit of an advert - for la bicicletta on Greystones Road. I've just had my winter trainer / commuting bike serviced there and its come back in perfect riding condition. The headset has been replaced, new bottom bracket bearings, installed Gore cables (which I provided) along with general tweaking and sorting out. The total cost was £120 which considering the hope headset is £60 I think is pretty good value. The turn round was 4 days and my bike didn't get lost - as I'm informed another local bike shop is good at. I think if Alex keeps up the good work he could get over loaded with work from local riders.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Shy Yorkshireman on May 12, 2009, 10:30:52 pm
By comparison, the Shy Yorkshireman will probably be the focus of some sibling ribbing at the next family get-together, letting the family name down like that. Slow-coach! Over 6 hours, and beaten by Basher too....the disgrace

 ;)


I'm OK, i didn't do no walking, he said he'd dissown me if i did. But, he then sold me a standard double front ring. Bastard.
We once had an argument about who would sit at the head of the table for Christmas dinner, Rob suggested a ride round the block to settle it but soon shut up when i suggested a few hours on the rock down the glen afterwards. he can only manage the one pull up. I reckon the hour in the whitton will take some making up though. That said throwing laps on the Barron don't come over night.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on May 13, 2009, 07:57:46 pm
I may well be posting in this thread a little after my latest acquisition...

(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Images/Models/Original/30568.jpg)

My first foray into road biking  8)

I did set a budget of 600 and overspent just a little.   :oops: 

Life is for living after all.  I did try other bikes such as the Trek 1.7 (close to a grand!) and 1.5 and this one felt much better than either of those despite the weight penalty so went for this.  After all it is my first road bike, didn't want it to cripple me!  What do you guys reckon?

If I get serious about it, I'll do either of these options

1)  Upgrade to compact (I reckon this has waaaaay too many gears) and upgrade wheels

or

2)  Get a new bike altogether and keep this as a commuting / winter training bike...

First I have to walk cycle well before I can run be hardcore.  That said, I am never shaving my legs ever!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on May 13, 2009, 08:34:31 pm
Looks good. Like you say, once you've made sure you're not going to just leave it to gather dust, ditch the triple, then think about upgrading the wheels, those fulcrums ain't the lightest thing out there, and I think I remember someone on here (percy?) moaning about them in the past. Too nice to be a commuter though, and no clearance for guards.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on May 13, 2009, 08:44:12 pm
Hmmm, too nice to be a commuter - I was actually buying it for that reason but as you say it is just too nice to slowly destroy it bit by bit (does it matter I cycle on country roads to work which is only in a small town??) - it would get put into secure lockup as well so no worries on that front (and getting on site is a problem as it is a defence business).

I am contemplating buying a second hand bike for commuting but I don't want a crap bike for commuting either...  Currently trawling the (e)bay but with my lack of experience I'm not too sure which ones would be a good buy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on May 13, 2009, 09:12:00 pm
If it's secure and undercover at work then that's my main concern out of the way, you'll be fine. Only other things would be that guards are nice for wet days, and it's a fat tubed alu frame so isn't likely to be too forgiving if you'll be loaded with much kit on your commute. Don't worry about "slowly destroying it bit by bit" - that's what it's for! If your bike dies through sheer miles ridden, that's a good result!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 13, 2009, 09:18:21 pm
those racing 7 wheels are ok but  a little heavy. perfect for training a putting in loads of miles!  :thumbsup:
i have a pair of expensive campag wheels too for "best".

nice one. welcome to the club!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on May 13, 2009, 09:26:09 pm
Sweet, thanks guys.  Probably be looking to do some serious mileage first and getting some air in the lungs before shelling out on any upgrades (which will replace the hopefully worn parts).

Living in the Lakes, I'm probably going to kill myself riding though on some of the steep hills round here.  Oh well, what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.

I do have some misgivings though despite the secureness of the storage - people from outside the company wouldn't be able to get anywhere near it (even if they could see it anyway) but the bike would have to be parked with all the other commuters bikes and I'm worried they might inflict damage upon it just out of pure jealousy (lets be honest, they would) or sheer carelessness.

In addition to that, I probably would be getting changed at work so all I would need would be water, keys/phone/wallet?  Not too cumbersome.  That said I've a mate who's really into BMX and MTB ing who lives right next to work so he might be sympathetic to my cause...

Any good insurance companies for cycling that you can recommend fellas?

Cheers
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 13, 2009, 09:49:13 pm
Those racing 7 wheels may be heavy but they will run for ages. I've put over 3000 miles into mine and they still run true and have taken all sorts of hits on the shitty roads of Sheffield. 

Mind you I'm looking at getting some royce hubbed wheels built up for commuting.

As for insurance - look at your house insurance. My bikes are insured on our house insurance which is M&S and they will cover a bike up to £4K anywhere in the world. Some commuters have public liability insurance in case they damage another person or their possessions - I don't have it, but am thinking of getting some.

Don't worry about riding an expensive bike for commuting. FD uses a full carbon Wilier for his cycling to work and my commuter is a titanium Sunday. I know one chap who rides a Cervelo to work!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on May 13, 2009, 10:10:47 pm
Reassuring that my wheels will take some abuse.

Insurance - will take a look at that, thanks for the knowledge on house insurance, will check it out!

I suppose if anything happens with the bike you could claim it off the insurance...  Or use it as an excuse for new parts  ::)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on May 19, 2009, 09:46:47 pm
Hmmm...  I was just thinking about going for rides when I get my new bike (currently being built at shop) and in the Lakes / Peak, there's loads of cattle grids.  Now being a complete newbie to road biking, I'm not entirely sure you can ride over cattle grids?!  Or better to get off and back on??  I think you can though...

This might be the dumbest question ever asked!  I make no apologies however, my new bike is going to be my pride and joy...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 19, 2009, 09:53:49 pm
You have to perfect a technique whereby as you come up to the cattle grid you skid sideways, flip over, roll across the cattle grid with your back to the floor and the bike in the air with the wheels just touching the tarmac as you come to the other side. You are buggered if the cattle grid is longer than expected however. Its the best bit of the Tour de France.

According to Radio 4 last night sheep have learnt to cross cattle grids in a similar manner. Without the skidding bit.






Just ride over them, just make sure you are going in a straight line! From my experience the ones in the Peak are much harsher than the nice ones in the Lakes.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on May 19, 2009, 10:46:12 pm
 :lol: I had to ask didn't I  ;)

Fine technique there if you ask me, split my sides laughing when I read it!

I have found some of my local cattle grids to be quite harsh, such that when I go on my runs, I have to slow down to slower than a normal walking pace to cross the grids safely (you'd think they were human grids).  I have to agree though that elsewhere in the Lakes, the ones I have encountered have been nowhere like this one!  Didn't think the ones in the Peak were too bad either, but then again there's a few places in the Peak I haven't encountered yet.

Oh dear, talking about cattle grids.  Sad state of affairs.  I'll shut up now!   :spank:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SA Chris on May 20, 2009, 08:27:48 am
When running don't slow down, speed up, and clear it in a single jump. Make sure that someone is videoing you so that it can go on You've Been Framed to pay for hospital bills.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 20, 2009, 05:49:44 pm
cav again!

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on May 21, 2009, 06:54:17 am
cav again!



impressively - hitting the front real early
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 22, 2009, 04:25:52 pm
cav again!


Again! 3 stages of the Giro won by Cavendish now. Awesome effort. I'm just gutted I'm in bed with flu, otherwise I'd have had a tenner on him at the bookies this morning!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 22, 2009, 05:56:15 pm
bollocks here i am just about to write "cav again!"  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on May 23, 2009, 03:21:16 pm
those racing 7 wheels are ok but  a little heavy. perfect for training a putting in loads of miles!  :thumbsup:
i have a pair of expensive campag wheels too for "best".

nice one. welcome to the club!
Chappers, do you have the problem I have with my campag wheels (they're Assyms); they are a complete fucker to get tires on. I'm talking 40 minutes of squealing and cursing. I've even had a bike mechanic have a go just to make sure its not me being a fuckwit and he had a mare too, so how do you find them? 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on May 29, 2009, 09:30:20 am
Pb on froggatt hill this morning in the sunshine - 18:21

Maybe not great by the standards of some but definitely an improvement on the 23+ mins that I was too embarrassed to post last autumn ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 29, 2009, 09:35:07 am
Nice one. Good effort getting that done by 8.30 in the morning.

Its a brilliant hill climb I reckon. Not too steep, nice road surface and just long enough to hurt if you try hard.

I have just had a lovely ride to work over Ringinglow in the sunshine, and a slight tailwind for once.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on May 29, 2009, 12:28:11 pm
Pb on froggatt hill this morning in the sunshine - 18:21

Maybe not great by the standards of some but definitely an improvement on the 23+ mins that I was too embarrassed to post last autumn ;)
Nice one Steve, I rode it and timed it for the first time last night and got 18:05. Not sure about all this 'sub 15' stuff, I recon anything sub-20 is pretty good! That said I'd like to knock at least a minute off that!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 29, 2009, 06:14:07 pm
Anyone riding these? Dodgy Swalbe tyres.
http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/4068 (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/4068)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 31, 2009, 08:54:41 am
those racing 7 wheels are ok but  a little heavy. perfect for training a putting in loads of miles!  :thumbsup:
i have a pair of expensive campag wheels too for "best".

nice one. welcome to the club!
Chappers, do you have the problem I have with my campag wheels (they're Assyms); they are a complete fucker to get tires on. I'm talking 40 minutes of squealing and cursing. I've even had a bike mechanic have a go just to make sure its not me being a fuckwit and he had a mare too, so how do you find them? 

sorry, been on holiday.
no problems on my wheels and tires - what tires? (mine are michelin pro race 3's).

i may have a bigger problem - looks like i may have threaded the inside of the freehub with over zealous lock ring removal. shit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 01, 2009, 09:59:13 am
Thanks both ;D I'm not sure about this sub-15 either but it's somthing to aim at (in the far distance). Did my first 10 mile TT on Saturday afternoon too, I'm not sure that Froggatt Hill was the best preparation but I only have one set of legs.

So I'm balanced on the start line and the bloke's having all sorts of trouble getting a grip on the frame because of all the crap that's bolted to my seatpost. I think I was the only one doing the TT with reflectors on my bike! The course is a straight out and back with a roundabout at the far end. Start off nice and steady at the same pace as I do for a 20km triathlon bike leg. I'm #74 in the start list and about 6 minutes out #75 goes past me at a far rate of knots. I was too surprised to do anything but watch him pedal off into the distance. Just before the turn-around, #76 goes past me at a similar speed differential.

Feeling quite good in the legs at this point but there's a whiff of a headwind on the return so I'm sticking to the same pace. Coming back 3/4 of the way through and there's a photographer in the hedge taking snaps of all the riders and as I'm approaching he seems to be paying a lot of attention to me? Just before I get to him #77 goes past me, but not at a great difference this time, just walking pace. And then in the same heartbeat #80 shoots past us both like the devil was on his tail. I hope that the photographer got a good action shot of all 3 of us! Anyway, #77 is still sat just in front of me so I step up the gears and get on his wheel. For the next 90 seconds or so I managed to stay on his wheel at 25mph where I'd previously been pootling along about 20-21mph. This drafting thing really works! Of course #77 dropped me pretty quickly and I eventually finished in 29:04.

Another pb! That's the beauty of doing things for the first time  ;)



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 01, 2009, 12:47:47 pm
however if they catch you drafting in a time trial you will get disqualified.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 01, 2009, 01:28:53 pm
Drafting is brilliant.

On Friday nights ride home I went the long way and got overtaken by a tractor out by Millers Dale. I sprinted, caught up with it and enjoyed a few easy kms drafting the tractor at 45km an hour, albeit slightly anxious about the huge churning wheels and pointy metal hitching bits a couple of feet in front of me.

Another gorgeous ride in today, properly warm even at 8.30.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 01, 2009, 02:13:33 pm
Ah, there is that, yes. Was told of that this morning when relating the tale of Saturday's ride to a dedicated timetrialer. I shall consider my wrists slapped.

When they catch me

 ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 01, 2009, 03:09:27 pm
i think it might be illegal in triathlon except in short elite cat events.good for training tho.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 01, 2009, 05:52:59 pm
JOOI, now that I've got the speedo and cadence monitor working on my road bike, what's the best strategy for time trialing?

I was on a high (95-100) and consistent cadence and moderate torque for the whole 10 miles. I've found I'm most efficient climbing, like on Froggatt Hill, with that approach. Is a higher gear and higher torque recommended for TT?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 02, 2009, 08:53:51 am
what do you mean by higher torque.do you putting in a big gear and mashing it round.
the only stratergy for time trialing is to go as hard as you can for the distance.you need to break it down in your training.i.e. go hard for 2.5 miles then easyfor 2.5 then hard etc.or any other length of intervals.another good way is to find a roundabout on a quiet road with about a mile leading up to it,then do your intervals in to and out of the roundabout.
its all about speed if you want to ride a 10 at 25 mph then you've got train to ride at that speed.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 02, 2009, 10:36:26 am
Yes, torque being how hard I'm pushing down on the pedals.

I can go faster by staying in the same gear and upping the cadence, or by changing up a gear and pushing down harder. For climbing hills I'm finding that I go faster for longer if I stay seated, leave the gear low and keep a high cadence.

Sounds like I need to change up a gear on the flat and keep the same cadence. And then do it again. And again...  :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 02, 2009, 12:16:02 pm
right i understand. yes to go faster you need to pedal faster in the same gear or put it in a bigger gear and keep the same revs.it ain't rocket science.however the science is which method will allow you to go at the required speed for longer or not cause you to fall apart.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 02, 2009, 01:54:26 pm
Spinning a higher cadence is supposed to work your lungs a lot harder, but is easier on the muscles and joints. Grinding away at a bigger gear with a slower cadence works you the other way around - evidence for this being Jan Ulrichs massive thighs (thats what grinding a huge gear (and taking drugs) does for your physique!)
Learning to spin a higher cadence is actually quite tricky, as its way to easy to revert back to your old ways as you get tired. A slow steady increase in cadence over a few months worked for me as it allowed by body to get used to it. Riding on the track helps build this sort of 'leg speed' too.

I'm converted to trying to spin the pedals a bit quicker as it reduces the wear and tear on my poor old knees (knackered from decades of bouldering!). It does seem to help.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 02, 2009, 02:56:48 pm
you need some big gears man!

(http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.richardpettinger.com/cycling/graham_obree/obreebike.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEJnRPJ7wAel_0KdOHU5YPCgTav2w)

 :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 02, 2009, 07:09:49 pm
http://www.bikeradar.com/gallery/article/first-look-graeme-obrees-amazing-bicycle-21811?img=1&pn=first-look-graeme-obrees-amazing-bicycle&mlc=news%2Farticle (http://www.bikeradar.com/gallery/article/first-look-graeme-obrees-amazing-bicycle-21811?img=1&pn=first-look-graeme-obrees-amazing-bicycle&mlc=news%2Farticle)

I'll see your big gear, and I'll raise you this bad boy!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 02, 2009, 07:13:30 pm
Although I think I've found the winner.....

http://www.canosoarus.com/08LSRbicycle/LSR%20Bike02.htm (http://www.canosoarus.com/08LSRbicycle/LSR%20Bike02.htm)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on June 02, 2009, 07:26:12 pm
it is believed his hour record steed may more likely resemble this fugly assembly

(http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2009/05/21/1242915790854-24ut116prboi-500-90-500-70.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 02, 2009, 07:33:15 pm
I like my knees so I shall stick with spinning then. And change up a gear.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 02, 2009, 10:43:55 pm
Agree with Percy - high cadence is the way forward. Watch Lance whatever you think of him, when he won his first few tours - there is some footage on youtube showing his cadence in the Alps - totally amazing. Mind you compare Menchov vs Di Luca in the last few days of the giro. Menchov's cadence is slower but he has a much smoother style & much stiller on the bicycle.

I'm wandering about those q-rotors - suppose to be good for knees as well.

My fitness is coming back thanks to 60-70 Km commuting per day.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 03, 2009, 08:35:53 am
the difficulty in trying to learn to pedal at a higher cadence is according to some article i read.is that once you are past your late teens its hard to learn speed of movement.so it reckoned that the way to get faster movement was to get stronger if you are past your teens.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on June 03, 2009, 07:19:34 pm
In your face, small gear pussies.  eat my cog 8)

(http://thegoat.backcountry.com/blog/files/2008/04/busford-ultimate.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on June 03, 2009, 09:40:25 pm

I'm wandering about those q-rotors - suppose to be good for knees as well.


On my commuting bike I have an old Shimano biopace chainring - it's quite easy to keep a smooth cadence, but you don't get the same 'kick' of acceleration if you stand up and go harder compared with a round ring (this was the reason I heard as to the pros not using biopace rings). I also find that if I've not been out on my proper road bike for a while the transition is a bit odd, the first couple of hills give me wierdly pumped thighs.

clm - what is that? Some sort of salt-flats speed record bike?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on June 03, 2009, 09:43:37 pm
Got my bike today, took some time for it to be built and delivered...

Just did about 9 miles in 33 minutes - my first ride out on a bike in more than a few years.  Pretty good going I thought.  Spent another 40 minutes coming back the same way which was brutal, mostly uphill!  Also, my chain came off and being new to this clipless pedals lark, tried hard to get my foot out but failed.  A graceful splat in the middle of the road swiftly followed.  Guess it's all a rite of passage that we have to go through!

But now have the hang of the clipless pedals.

Need a bit of advice re saddle height though.  I am aware that your legs are not supposed to be straight at the bottom of the stroke (which they aren't in my case) but trying to be smooth in pushing down and pulling up with the other is proving difficult, it is a little "on off" just at the bottom of the pedal stroke.  I reckon the saddle height needs to be higher but don't really want to do more harm than good.

I can't consider myself a proper roadie just yet BUT I have officially got the bug.   8)

Elevation profile for one way...

(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4401/elevationp.jpg)

What do you think??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 03, 2009, 10:36:30 pm
Cool Scraggs welcome to the club. Just be road aware. I had my closest call today in three years - felt the car go past my right shoulder/arm  and then it cut round in front of me. It would have been a hospital bed for me if I hadn't realised what was happening. Phoned the police I was that pissed off.

Falling off with cleats is a right of passage for all roadies and MTBers who use them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on June 03, 2009, 10:42:54 pm
Jeez, that doesn't sound too good.  Lucky you're here to tell the tale and nothing else happened.

Just out of curiosity, what can be done if something like this does indeed happen and say I wanted to call the police (which I can't since I'm deaf, but I could report it later)? 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: robertostallioni on June 03, 2009, 10:46:26 pm
text the fuzz (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8037730.stm)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 03, 2009, 10:52:19 pm
The chap I spoke to whom was a cyclist was really helpful which surprised me. Basically if you are not injured you phone them up or pop in the cop shop, they then will want you to make a statement. Which can occur later and if you have the reg number they will then pay the metal boxed idiot a visit to inform them a complaint has been made. Ideally you need a witness or have CCTV evidence which there is in my case.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on June 03, 2009, 11:04:57 pm
Ta for that fatkid, that was handy info to have.

RobertoStallini, yeah I already know about the text service, I heard about it many years ago, they keep putting it on later and later and later...   :yawn:  They never get it up and running, it's just been hot air for a number of years to take it nationwide.  The trials are in totally wrong areas to where I am, and I can speak on the phone in case of emergencies etc, I don't have any problems with my speech.  Just hearing what the other person on the other end is saying is the problem I have...  A lot of people don't realise when I speak to them that I am deaf, I have to tell them.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on June 04, 2009, 06:39:26 am
That bike was built by a british guy called bruce bursford for a land speed record.  Unfrotunatley bruce was killed by a van driver while out training before he could ride the bike.

While looking for this pic i came across cycle land speed records - these figures are on a reclining bike with a full aero fairing onn a flat road.

Average speed over one hour 58mph!!! :jaw:

Top speed over 200m (for which he needed a 5 mile run up!!!) 82mph!!! :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 04, 2009, 08:53:40 am

Need a bit of advice re saddle height though.  I am aware that your legs are not supposed to be straight at the bottom of the stroke (which they aren't in my case) but trying to be smooth in pushing down and pulling up with the other is proving difficult, it is a little "on off" just at the bottom of the pedal stroke.  I reckon the saddle height needs to be higher but don't really want to do more harm than good.quote]

put your heels on the pedals in your cycling shoes and you pedal backwards.you should be able to do this without your hips rocking from side to side.this is supposed to give you a baseline height.you then make any adjustments in small increments.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 04, 2009, 09:45:21 am
Saddle height formula is supposed to be 0.883 x your inseam length in centimeters. Obviously this is only a starting point and tbh Webbos advice is equally valid. It also depends on things like the ankle angle.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on June 04, 2009, 01:27:32 pm
..and move your saddle back/forwards on its rails
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 04, 2009, 01:34:23 pm
i take it you know about having your saddle completely horizontal i.e stick a spirit level on it to make sure.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 04, 2009, 05:57:13 pm
Penal reforms:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8082354.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8082354.stm)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: PizzaZer on June 06, 2009, 05:14:42 am
When you shave your legs When the time comes and the hair will grow again is it not rough,.?



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Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on June 06, 2009, 11:30:41 am
it is at first, but then it becomes downy and lush and, oh so strokable




*clairol moment
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 07, 2009, 04:09:59 pm
amazing chain gang with manchester wheelers today. don't think i have ever been quite that fucked. on my knees!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 11, 2009, 11:12:37 pm
Popped into La Bicicleta tonight to see if Alex had built my new wheels yet......and was greeted by a very battered and subdued Alex who had his shop broken into on Tuesday night. Nothing got nicked, but Alex fought them off (5 young scrotes in a nicked Vectra) with amongst other objects a file and one of his metal stools! Sounded pretty heavy, but then Alex showed me the CCTV footage which is pant-wettingly terrifying - particularly the bit at the end of the raid where one of the fuckers wanders out to the car, pulls a gun out of the glovebox and points it at Alexs head before they all ran off! Alex didn't realise he'd had a gun pulled on him until he watched the CCTV footage with a CID officer who helpfully pointed it out.

A very, very nasty business that luckily turned out alright (if you consider a bust nose, stiches in your face, loads of bruising, a bust toe, cut hands, etc,etc..lucky). Here's to hoping Alex recovers nice and quick, and that the police actually manage to catch the idiots who think pulling guns on people is a cool thing to do.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 12, 2009, 08:00:02 am
 :o

Got to drop by and pay him for a wetsuit. I'll take extra sympathy and righteous indignation with me.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 12, 2009, 08:10:22 am
holy shit. i hope he is ok.

he should now be armed with a fucking massive magnum just incase he sees one of these wank-stains in the street, then he can blow them away clint style.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 12, 2009, 09:33:12 am
Thats fucking shocking :o

Obviously I don't know the guy but hope he's okay and recovers quickly.


he should now be armed with a fucking massive magnum just incase he sees one of these wank-stains in the street, then he can blow them away clint style.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but if they happened to "fall" under a lorries wheels or "trip" at a level crossing I don't think there'd be much to miss.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: matthew on June 12, 2009, 10:33:49 am
Penal reforms:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8082354.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8082354.stm)

The two best quotes:-
"for obvious reasons, breakaway sprints will not be allowed"

"'It's a kind of escape for us'.....said a prisoner identified as Daniel"

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on June 12, 2009, 12:36:04 pm
Just got one of these stands for a bargain off Ebay...
(http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/227-0363022A68UC406292X.jpg)
Argos £87.99 + delivery or collect from store (http://www.argos.co.uk/ProductDisplayTRK019?partNumber=0363022)

ebay £52.49 delivered (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FOLDING-BIKE-BICYCLE-MAINTENANCE-WORK-REPAIR-STAND_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZQ7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a30QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em14Q2el1262QQhashZitem5d24d54ea8QQitemZ400049917608QQptZUKQ5fSportsQ5fLeisureQ5fCyclingQ5fBagsQ5fPanniersQ5fSRQQsalenotsupported). Bargain.
It is the Argos one, box has Argos codes and everything. Pretty robust, nice chunky tubes. It comes with the magnetic tool tray which for some reason is not in this picture, it is shown in the ebay pic.

7 left as I post this, snap them up.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on June 12, 2009, 12:40:54 pm
Fuck! Just read Percys post. Get better soon Alex, popped in there the other week, really nice guy, no one deserves to have to deal with that! Hope they catch the fuckers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on June 12, 2009, 01:46:20 pm
just upgraded from my £150 racer to a Fuji Roubaix pro - go faster white pimp daddy colouring. probably psychological but feels faster - maybe you just have to pedal faster to justify the nicer bike. the brakes actually work on this - but going down hill and breaking hard means the back wheel skids all over the place - v exciting first time it happens. think there's a technique thing going on.

now need new shorts, top, shoes, and then upgrades to wheels....

eek

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 17, 2009, 12:10:08 pm
I dropped into La Bicelletta last night and Alex looked like he's got some of the spark back in his eyes. He did however stand my bike on it's back wheel as he brought it into the shop and the frame drained sheffield's recent flood waters all over the shop floor! Thats my best excuse for being slow on hills and I didn't even realise I had it.

 :(

Any good tips on the best way of drying out the frame and stopping damage that's probably now underway inside and out of sight?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on June 17, 2009, 12:49:49 pm
I dropped into La Bicelletta last night and Alex looked like he's got some of the spark back in his eyes. He did however stand my bike on it's back wheel as he brought it into the shop and the frame drained sheffield's recent flood waters all over the shop floor! Thats my best excuse for being slow on hills and I didn't even realise I had it.

 :(

Any good tips on the best way of drying out the frame and stopping damage that's probably now underway inside and out of sight?

Older frames used to have little drain holes underneath most tubes. Presuming its a steel frame you have, after you drain it and dry it as well as you can (hair dryer? Radiator? leave it in the sun?), a good spray of WD40/GT85 will do a reasonable job of coating the inside of the frame, access wherever you can, down the seat tube, through drain holes if you can see any, into the bottle cage mounts etc. Use the little straw that comes with the can.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on June 17, 2009, 02:28:03 pm
Presuming its a steel frame you have
Ah, you'd have thought that I'd have checked that. It's aluminium.

 :-[

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on June 17, 2009, 05:06:12 pm
Presuming its a steel frame you have
Ah, you'd have thought that I'd have checked that. It's aluminium.

 :-[

As long as you weren't biking in the sea you should be fine.  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 23, 2009, 09:15:29 pm
Something to consider for those that spend too much time riding bikes:
http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/article/health-bad-to-the-bone-21929 (http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/article/health-bad-to-the-bone-21929)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on June 23, 2009, 09:20:39 pm
Indeed. you need some impact people! (though given we're on a bouldering forum I doubt that'll be a major issue for most)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on June 24, 2009, 09:46:17 pm
been for my 4th ride on my new (read gib's old) bike - managed to do my 1st froggat hill in 19:56 into a head wind - pretty pleased.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on June 25, 2009, 09:50:14 am
Good effort, there was a pretty grim headwind last night up Froggatt Hill. I certainly wasn't breaking any records up there last night, I was a couple of gears lower than normal up it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on June 25, 2009, 01:47:02 pm
I have just come back from a family holiday in Costa Blanca, if anyones out there climbing and fancies a bit of rest day exercise I can recommend hiring a bike from Terry at CycloCostaBlanca in Denia, 15 euros a day for a carbon bike. That continential tarmac is soo smooth, pothole less as well, I can recommend the Col de Rates, Val De Ebo (From Pego) or Sierra Bernia climbs and decents, the weathers not to bad either.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 26, 2009, 10:25:19 am
This should go in Room 101 really, but I thought I would rant here instead as I think its a problem most roadies are all too familiar with...

Will Sheffield city council please give the man they employ to mark all the potholes in the road with yellow paint and number them all a big truck full of tarmac instead of a can of spray paint?!?! Then instead of highlighting the holes, he might actually be able to fill the bloody things in. What a waste of time and money. I just want to ride to work - not experience some sort of Paris-Roubaix simulator.

Also into roadie room 101 can go the whore of a headwind I had on this mornings ride, and the driver of the First double decker who thought that 3 inches between his bus and my elbow was a sensible gap -  :wank:

Apart from that, I had a great ride this morning....! I feel better now. :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 26, 2009, 10:41:30 am
Also into roadie room 101 can go the whore of a headwind I had on this mornings ride, and the driver of the First double decker who thought that 3 inches between his bus and my elbow was a sensible gap -  :wank:


Are there any Sheffield cycling forums that might be able to get some sort of mass protest/petition at the ineptitude of First bus drivers as they regularly pass me in such a manner on my commute to work.  Stagecoach are noticeably a lot better at leaving a sensible distance.

I've complained to First before but they just fob you off with the same old bullshit of "We have high standards of driving, we'll look into this" and you get a bog standard letter stating the same thing that does nothing to reassure you that the driver has even been identified, let alone disciplined or sent back to driving school.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 26, 2009, 11:23:34 am
I've been thinking about putting one of these (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8106747.stm) outside the First Mainline bus depot near us. Anyone got some chain they could donate? I've got a maillon I can gob up with araldite to fix it, a fucked bike and loads of white paint.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 26, 2009, 11:28:23 am
I've been thinking about putting one of these (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8106747.stm) outside the First Mainline bus depot near us. Anyone got some chain they could donate? I've got a maillon I can gob up with araldite to fix it, a fucked bike and loads of white paint.

That is a genius idea!!!  I too have a knackered bike, just have to check out the relative price of fuck-off-strong chains at the local DIY store.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 26, 2009, 11:31:31 am
I got the idea off an episode of CSI  ;D

Might last longer if I fix it high up on a lamp post?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on June 26, 2009, 11:56:32 am
I've been thinking about putting one of these (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8106747.stm) outside the First Mainline bus depot near us. Anyone got some chain they could donate? I've got a maillon I can gob up with araldite to fix it, a fucked bike and loads of white paint.

Read this this morning (the thread which hijacks the title one) 
http://www.londonfgss.com/thread23689.html (http://www.londonfgss.com/thread23689.html)
very sad and made me feel physically sick.
Be careful out there.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 26, 2009, 12:34:44 pm
Just submitted my complaint email to First buses - had to email because the complaints hotline doesn't seem to work.......
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 26, 2009, 12:39:48 pm
Just submitted my complaint email to First buses - had to email because the complaints hotline doesn't seem to work.......

I predict you'll get a letter from the manager at Olive Grove depot saying that they are very sorry and that their drivers are trained to very high standards and it shouldn't have happened.  The driver has been identified and had his wrist slapped and he has promised never to be so careless again, oh and for your inconvenience you may well get a months free bus pass.  ;)

Got really fucked off once when a bus was trying to pass too close so I smacked the doors.  The cunt of a driver opened the doors and with a bus full of passangers turned the air blue saying "How fucking dare I hit 'his' bus, if he'd been in his car he'd have fuckin' had me".  I took this as a personal attack and made it clear to Mainline that, as would happen in the schoolyard, a personal apology would be made.  It seems however that Mainline aren't aware of basic civility and no apology (written or otherwise) was forthcoming from the driver  :wank:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on June 26, 2009, 01:14:03 pm
Just submitted my complaint email to First buses - had to email because the complaints hotline doesn't seem to work.......

Take immediate photo of driver - send with letter to bus company and cc to local cops alleging dangerous driving?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 26, 2009, 01:40:22 pm
Just submitted my complaint email to First buses - had to email because the complaints hotline doesn't seem to work.......

Take immediate photo of driver - send with letter to bus company and cc to local cops alleging dangerous driving?

Cops don't give a shit, I've tried before, it boils down to it being your word against the drivers so whilst they'll go through the motions of filling out a complaint form dick all will happen.  I've suggested there might be footage from on-board cameras, First conveniently took two weeks to reply to a letter, and only keep video footage for a week (although I looked it up and I suspect this is illegal under the data protection/cctv laws if I remember correctly as there's supposed to be a certain period during which footage is meant to be kept just in case anyone requests a copy under the data protection act and I'm sure it is greater than seven days).  Police even suggested that I use a helmet camera or similar to record commutes, to which I told them I'd be more than happy to do so, if they're going to pay for it.

I've been tempted to report it to both First and the police each and every time it happens just to start being a thorn in their side in the hope that something might change in the law/First's trainer driving but just don't have the time (i.e. it happens way too regularly).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 26, 2009, 08:17:50 pm
First Mainline drivers are cunts is all I can say. I put a complaint in and got some automated reply.

I just think most people think cyclists ride bikes because they can't afford a car - well that's a common thread of abuse I receive around the posh areas of Sheffield. There are three or fours cars all BMWs ( I know its a stereotype) that do try to kill me every time they see me on Fulwood road.

Put a human in a metal box and they turn into some kind of psychopath. 

Anyway I'm off games for 2 weeks so no riding for me - got to get the fucked knee sorted out.

I've got an old fucked frame I could donate to ghost bikes.
I can't believe how hard it is to ride around Sheffield considering it thinks its some kind of city of sport!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on June 26, 2009, 08:22:55 pm
Could always ride in these

(http://www.costumesofnashua.com/CNWebSite105/Active905/Pages/Gloves/PicsGloves/GlovesJ16413.jpg)

they'd sort out a few paint jobs....

and leave you looking like Adam Ants rent boy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 26, 2009, 10:31:58 pm
hey, i have only skim read the above, but i dont think it is appropriate to put a ghost bike in place when it does not commemorate the death of a cyclist...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on June 27, 2009, 12:27:10 pm
I agree, at first I thought that was what you were talking about. There are enough in London anyway, real tragedy.

If bus drivers had a brain they wouldn't be bus drivers. I genuinely think most of them are retarded and/or learnt to drive in Lagos.

Over time (6 years now in London), my thoughts have changed about commuting. It is your responsibility to look after yourself. Anticipate, predict, always expect stupidity, and never let it get to you because no one else on the road cares at all.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 28, 2009, 01:07:05 pm
in other news...i went up holmefirth road from staleybridge yesterday then over the holme moss road "from the hard side". both excellent climbs.
'kin hot it was though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Shy Yorkshireman on June 30, 2009, 11:31:08 pm
Yo yo sorry if this has already been posted but saw a sign up nr bamford today that snake will be closed 13-15 July - might be worth an evening excursion - or a day outing for the part timers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on June 30, 2009, 11:32:35 pm
 :-[ oops that was me - gib might not want people thinking he would type things like yo yo.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 01, 2009, 12:13:43 am
..or leading people to thinking that Gib might need a day to get over the Snake!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 01, 2009, 09:25:26 pm
roll up, roll up, team buk, pendle pedal.

squeek and i are in for the 100k.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on July 01, 2009, 10:53:18 pm
im in - 100k.  Oh shit, what have i done!

 :oops: :wall: :wank: :bounce: :-\ :'( :o :( :shrug: :spank:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on July 02, 2009, 01:18:18 pm
roll up, roll up, team buk, pendle pedal.

squeek and i are in for the 100k.

Having something to train for didn't seem to help my ride this morning, still crawled up every hill.  At least you can enjoy the views whilst waiting for me.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on July 02, 2009, 01:29:17 pm
roll up, roll up, team buk, pendle pedal.

squeek and i are in for the 100k.

Having something to train for didn't seem to help my ride this morning, still crawled up every hill.  At least you can enjoy the views whilst waiting for me.

and then you can enjoy the view, get bored waiting and fuck off waiting for me...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 02, 2009, 10:06:26 pm
nice one clm.

you in didsbury? did i dream that? fancy a quick spin on saturday on road bikes?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on July 03, 2009, 06:12:06 pm
was west disdbury, now ardwick/ fallowfield.  would normally be a definately but i have hiudeous lurgy at the minute and feelawful.

Sorry mate, next time.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 10, 2009, 05:02:53 pm
As I'm out of action - I popped into La Bicletta this afternoon. Spied Percy's new wheels - very nice.

Meet the Cannondale rep - the new Super six and another frame have been built for integrated Di2 - which sounds the bollocks: Auto-Trim etc.
And interestingly Alex has taken 2 SRAM groupsets off bikes recently - which I was surprised at considering the number of Pro-tour teams are running it.

Alex seems to have recovered from his attack / shop break in which sounds awful.

Oh well another week of pottering about, eating too much, getting bored etc  & I can start gentle exercise - not sure what that means?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on July 10, 2009, 07:23:57 pm

Meet the Cannondale rep - the new Super six and another frame have been built for integrated Di2 - which sounds the bollocks: Auto-Trim etc.


Is it true that Cannondales Di2 frames still have lugs for cables, just in case Di2 turns out to be a bit shit?


And interestingly Alex has taken 2 SRAM groupsets off bikes recently - which I was surprised at considering the number of Pro-tour teams are running it.

Do you know which groupset? I've heard that some of SRAMs stuff can be a bit fragile, but that was for MTBs
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 10, 2009, 07:42:05 pm
Yeap the Cannondale frames have lugs left in place for cables on the Di2 frames. I'm thinking of buying a new bike, but am going to wait at least another year or maybe 2 to see where all this new techno stuff goes. Maybe a new set of wheels will suffice.  :-\

From reports Di2 seems to run well - its been used in the Spring classics including Paris-Roubaix by a good number of the domestiques & it's been the groupset of choice for the TT stages in le tour. Apparently next year most of the big names want to run it for their normal bikes.

The groupsets he has taken off are a SRAM red and I think the other was Force. Both changed for shimano : one ultegra and one 7900 Dura-ace. I run SRAM components on my mountain bikes and never had any problems with it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on July 10, 2009, 08:46:06 pm
http://www.londonfgss.com/thread13259-14.html (http://www.londonfgss.com/thread13259-14.html)

Anyone got a spare £600

Scroll down to Mrs Goggins thread.  I would if i had the cash and didnt already have too many bikes...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 10, 2009, 09:32:53 pm
is it possible to have too many bikes.its a bit like complaining cos your knobs too big,
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on July 11, 2009, 08:45:38 am
I have to do that too... :boohoo:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on July 13, 2009, 09:59:38 pm
My arse hurts.  Goddamn.   :thumbsdown:  Been tinkering with the saddle today and set it a little higher (by about a cm)...  My arse is feeling it, damn...

I'm trying to find the most comfortable position on the bike, is there any such way of knowing when you've hit the sweet spot (apart from not aching like a ragged man)?  I've been experimenting and find that sitting back further allows me to put a lot of power through the pedals but it's not comfortable to sustain this position (mainly cos of arse pain issues).  I also find that in the current position I can see my wheel hub in front of my handle bars, I've heard generally that you're not supposed to... (handle bar should block front wheel hub)?  Lastly, thighs hurt significantly when saddle is too low and pedalling motion doesn't feel smooth hence my fiddling. Or am I just plain unfit?  (Just did 17 miles in an hour, ascended 1000 ft, descended 950 ft).

I know it may be down to a shit saddle that my arse hurts, but really, 100 quid or so for a new saddle...?  I can never justify spending that much on a saddle.

Due to me being a billy no mates (well actually no one I know is into road biking seriously), I need to call on the collective wisdom that is UKB!
Cheers muchly in advance.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on July 13, 2009, 10:17:14 pm
There are a lot of people here with more knowledge than me, but to get started, I did as recommended on this page (http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/saddle-height.html). I felt a bit crunched up when on exactly 109%, so I raised the saddle until it felt too high then went down a bit.

It might be worth trying that, and asking someone to watch you - one bit of advice I've heard is that if your hips are wobbling it's too high.

One thing that I found that probably isn't valid for anyone else, is that when I had the saddle at the right height, I could suddenly, magically ride no-handed for the first time ever (my first no-hands riding banana was quite a thrill...  :-[)

As for saddle/arse pain, well, it might be that you need to get one that's the correct width. Dunno if that's a big issue for blokes (if you are a bloke) but my faster half had to try quite a few before she found the right fit. I fear that to get proper advice about yer bum you either need to divulge much more information than I'd be comfortable reading on the internet, or go to a local bike shop, where they can discuss the issue with delicacy and tact and then sell you some under the counter bum cream.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on July 14, 2009, 10:06:52 am
How much riding have you been doing? Unfortunately it ain't magic, your arse just has to get used to it. A decent saddle will help, but its really down to personal preference. Fizik Arione are well liked, as are Selle Italia SLRs. What have you got at the moment? Don't get tempted to buy a big comfy looking saddle, it won't help in the long run.

There are 2 types of arse pain (from cycling, many more from prison). If the soreness is on the skin, kind of hotspots or rubbing then better shorts or chamois cream will help. If its more of a bruised pain (from your butt being trapped between bone and saddle) then try a new saddle, but basically you might have to mtfu for a bit and get used to it. It won't take long though.

Beware of saddle too high, therein lies knee problems.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on July 14, 2009, 03:38:21 pm
Thanks Palomides & tlr...   

I've done about 130 miles give or take 10miles.  I generally on go 20 miles rides at the moment.  Yesterday I had my saddle up a bit than usual, and this gave me terrible arse pain - wasn't so bad before that though.  I've since lowered it a few mm and am going to see how much difference this makes.

The saddle is what came with the bike, scape something?  Oh and it's definitely more of a bruised pain!  I thought I was getting used to it on the previous ride to yesterdays...

It's interesting you say that saddle too high = knee problems - I've got a dodgy knee so definitely not wanting it too high!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 14, 2009, 08:13:11 pm
(http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/fizik-arione-zoom.jpg)

winner!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on July 14, 2009, 08:22:44 pm
Quote from: BikeRadar review
The Cube's Scape saddle looks like the Fizik Arione with its long, flat top, but that's where the similarity ends: it's far too soft and lacks adequate support for all but the very lightest rider

nabbed from their website.

Could this be the culprit?  Gonna have a chat down the LBS tomorrow...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 14, 2009, 09:18:45 pm
Collected my new wheels today, and have been out for a quick ride this afternoon. Based on this I can firmly say that I for one will not buy any expensive 'super-light' factory-made wheels again. The cheaper factory wheels are great for what they are, but hand-built to your own spec is definately the way to go if you are investing in a really good pair of wheels.
What I've ended up with is a pair of wheels that weigh well under 1400 grams for the pair, that are super stiff and quick (Ambrosio Chrono rims, DT Swiss aerolight spokes, Tune Hubs and Tufo S3 tubs), and cost a third of anything made in a factory that comes anywhere near in quality or performance. They look the business on the bike too (they make the whole bike look skinny!), and you can tell the wheel builder exactly how you want them laced so they perform exactly how you want. Its taken a while to get them, but well worth the wait.  :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 14, 2009, 10:02:44 pm
Quote from: BikeRadar review
The Cube's Scape saddle looks like the Fizik Arione with its long, flat top, but that's where the similarity ends: it's far too soft and lacks adequate support for all but the very lightest rider

nabbed from their website.

Could this be the culprit?  Gonna have a chat down the LBS tomorrow...

it is worth remembering that the arione may not be the seat for you. it is for me, but i found that out via two other expensive saddles. try them out. there is no way that you should put up with a sore arse on the rides you are doing, i can ride 100 miles with absolutely no discomfort, and rode that distance every day for 5 days in the pyrenees last year and still no pain!

if you intend to spend alot of time riding your bike, a good pair of short and a good seat are a worth while investment!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigd942 on July 14, 2009, 10:11:16 pm
saddle height is a funny one, getting it right comes with experience as much as anything as things like the thickness of the sole on the shoe etc are taken into account. For a start I would go here (http://www.parktool.com/repair/howtos/positionroad.pdf (http://www.parktool.com/repair/howtos/positionroad.pdf)) and download the chart and fill it out, worth keeping a copy if your bike ever falls off a cliff or anything. You can use the equations to get a starting point then personally I find heading out for 20 miles with allen keys in the back pocket the best way, just set the saddle level with a spirit level and adjust on the height and forwards/backwards position.
Selle use the S.I.Z.E system which grades the saddles by rider weight so worth looking at these, I'm on a Flite Max Gel at the minute which is 255 or something on their system and works well for me at 100kg, not sure of any other companies that go by rider weight but weight and width of pelvis would be the main things, think Specalized offer saddles by width.
I rode one of these for a while and found it very comfy as I'd a sore that wouldn't seem to heal (http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/ebwPNLqrymode.a4p?f%5FProductID=3859&f%5FSupersetQRY=C257&f%5FSortOrderID=1&f%5Fbct=c003154c003138c003276 (http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/ebwPNLqrymode.a4p?f%5FProductID=3859&f%5FSupersetQRY=C257&f%5FSortOrderID=1&f%5Fbct=c003154c003138c003276)), for the money they're worth a go to see the difference.
130 miles is a good ride so unless your doing that every so often your skin just won't be used to it, chamois cream and fresh/clean shorts are key. I had the Airone and it's a good saddle (Mr Largerstarfish has it now!), is stiff but a good pair of shorts helps a great deal. With any saddles like these which expose the clamp of the seatpost I'd recommend taking a file to the clamp and taking off any sharp corners, helps keeps your shorts in good nick I find.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on July 15, 2009, 07:48:58 am
snake will be closed 13-15 July - might be worth an evening excursion
And it was a lovely ride last night, the first time that I've ridden over the other side to Glossop rather than reversing my route back down to Ladybower. Well, lovely until it pissed it down all the way from Glossop to Castleton. The rain made descending Winnats interesting!

 :o

Didn't see any significant road works on the eastern side so any hopes of improved road surface will have to wait until next year - they were just painting new white lines. The tarmac is fresh and shiny and very smooth on the western side though, but I don't know if that's brand new being a newcomer to that side of the hills. Enjoy!

 8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 15, 2009, 04:39:37 pm
Quote from: BikeRadar review
The Cube's Scape saddle looks like the Fizik Arione with its long, flat top, but that's where the similarity ends: it's far too soft and lacks adequate support for all but the very lightest rider

nabbed from their website.

Could this be the culprit?  Gonna have a chat down the LBS tomorrow...
before you start splashing out on a new expensive saddle.consider this last year having not done as much riding as usual i felt the bum bone pain i was getting was due to my saddle being knackered i.e 10 years old.so i bought one those fancy things with hole in it.i got my arse measured and all that.still my arse hurt but i put it down to just getting used to the new shape.
this year i started getting out and i could barely ride for 2 hours without being in serious pain and the next day i couldn't ride for the pain.so i switched back to old saddle which was  slightly better and gritted my teeth and got on with it.7 weeks later i can manage 5 hours with my legs and back causing me the grief rather than my arse bones.
for the last 10 years i've averaged once or twice aweek but this year i've had 6 weeks when i didn't ride at all so i reckon whilst my legs are fine to ride for 2 hours from nothing my backside needs a gentle reintroduction.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on July 15, 2009, 09:08:18 pm
Thanks all for your kind input, different words of wisdom offered here and there.

I tried out a few saddles at my LBS - I know that to be definite you need to have a demo of the saddle before you can say anything about it.  But I tried a few and didn't get on at all (it was strange explaining my arse symptoms to a bloke, think that will be the last time!) until I had a sit down on a Fizik Aliante...  Aaahh...  This was without padded shorts but this felt easily the best by some margin.

I'm picking the bike up tomorrow afternoon (it's in for its first service) and will have a bit of a try out again there with some padded shorts.  Hoping that I will get on with this much better.  It seems that it may be nearly new (no packaging) but they're offering it at £50 which is very reasonable considering I was thinking around 75 - 100 quid would be necessary!

No idea of what other saddles may be of a similar shape though, and although they had a fair few in stock, only 3 fiziks or so and the rest were specialized / bontragers etc
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Plattsy on July 23, 2009, 11:19:36 am
Damian Hirsts Trek.  :-\

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/stages/hirst/ (http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/stages/hirst/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on July 23, 2009, 12:36:55 pm

Real butterflies... I don't know whether to be shocked, impressed, horrified or all three.

Actually I'm impressed that a bike decoration can have that effect on me, which i suspect is partly the point.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigphil on July 26, 2009, 10:14:46 am
Damian Hirsts Trek.  :-\

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/stages/hirst/ (http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/stages/hirst/)

As if it wasn't ugly enough in Livestrong yellow and black, its been Damien Hirsted with dead butterflies.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 30, 2009, 09:12:59 am
http://www.wilier.it/ (http://www.wilier.it/)

Now that's tasty...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 30, 2009, 02:31:06 pm
I need that bike - yes honestly I do.

I'm off for a bit of road action in Spain in September where my Dad lives near Denia. Anyway I am somewhat worried as the people who have offered to take me out for a local spin - sound rather good. One is a friend of Mr Contador - the kind of chap who used to train with him when they were Juniors in Spain - anyway he's told me not to worry as he is now 15Kg heavier, well that will make him about 75 Kg - & still be a mountain goat. One of the others has finished in le tour top 10 on few occasions - he's got a website as well all in Spanish - Eduardo Choraz.
www.echozas.com (http://www.echozas.com)
 
Oh and the regional XC MTB Champion rides with them. Should be a bundle of laughs. I expect to die.

Anyone else here the rumour that Campag have been sold - to a Japanese company?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 30, 2009, 02:37:47 pm
OH look he even has a wikipedia page. 6th overal in 1990!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Chozas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Chozas)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on July 30, 2009, 02:51:09 pm
If you're going riding with Spanish ex-pros, you probably need a bike with electric motors in the wheels, never mind the derailleurs!

Look at the size of his legs!
(http://www.echozas.com/echozas-www/Images/index_01.gif)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on July 30, 2009, 03:04:21 pm
I need that bike - yes honestly I do.

I'm off for a bit of road action in Spain in September where my Dad lives near Denia. Anyway I am somewhat worried as the people who have offered to take me out for a local spin - sound rather good. One is a friend of Mr Contador - the kind of chap who used to train with him when they were Juniors in Spain - anyway he's told me not to worry as he is now 15Kg heavier, well that will make him about 75 Kg - & still be a mountain goat. One of the others has finished in le tour top 10 on few occasions - he's got a website as well all in Spanish - Eduardo Choraz.
www.echozas.com (http://www.echozas.com)
 
Oh and the regional XC MTB Champion rides with them. Should be a bundle of laughs. I expect to die.

Anyone else here the rumour that Campag have been sold - to a Japanese company?


from the first 2 lines I was about to get jealous... now I'm thankful I cant get the time off anyway.. when you're there get some info on any uplift services in that area.. apart from our previous operator I'm not getting very far.. and i doubt they'll have us back  :P



Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 02, 2009, 07:15:12 pm
Managed 60Km round the peak this morning - but boy my power output has vanished, 8 weeks out plus an operation and I struggled on hills I normally find piss. 16:30 up Froggart mind - so can't be that bad.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on August 02, 2009, 08:24:41 pm
Finished the longest ride I've ever done on saturday. C2c in a day solo which added up to 152 miles for the whole day with the extras on either end.

Finished with food left too - wtf?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 02, 2009, 08:32:00 pm
16:30 up Froggart mind - so can't be that bad.
You still can't spell Froggatt though ;)

Anyway, I think your time is on shaky ground, given the tail wind helping you out today....! Managed to get out myself - maybe the fourth time in 2 months I've had a couple of hours not filled with work, family, climbing or illness. I was crap, but it won't take long for the old 'magic' to return (I hope). The new wheels are a delight to ride on. Some new bits of road in the Peak have been resurfaced (badly) and are now rideable again - in particular Long Line on the way out of Sheff on the A625 has got some new tarmac, as has the long and lovely hill out of Dore village that joins the A625 just before Blackamoor woods. About time too!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on August 03, 2009, 04:19:34 pm
well done steve - having done that myself i know how hard it is, and i was in a group!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on August 03, 2009, 06:02:49 pm
Thanks chappers. The hard bit was the driving rain first thing in the morning - it didn't stop falling until well past Penrith. I think I prefered being alone, it just allowed me to press on at my own pace. Less peer pressure support though like you say

 ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 03, 2009, 09:17:41 pm
16:30 up Froggart mind - so can't be that bad.
You still can't spell Froggatt though ;)

I'm blaming the spell checker.

Anyway, I think your time is on shaky ground, given the tail wind helping you out today....!

I was not looking to set any records merely to get some miles in my legs - having been confined to the sofa for 8 weeks due to surgery on my spack knee.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 03, 2009, 10:35:49 pm
dont get too pissed...
thats what i can do at best... and I'm happy ( i.e: not the slowest git on the block / peak sportive), however give it a month and then you'll be eating into those times.. not that you'll be having too much time..

because more importantly..

when will you be announcing your change in direction with regard to your NEW bike..

go on, tell em...

or you know I will...

go on, let me stroke it....

Hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 03, 2009, 10:47:22 pm
Good point well made - any bike that is 'reduced by £1500' must be pretty expensive by anyones measure.... Come on, what you packing? From Fatdoc's post, please don't tell me you've frittered cash away on anything other than a road bike...please!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 03, 2009, 10:57:15 pm
203mm travel, she's a beauty.


come on Percy...

get with it...

uplifts, fear and ultimate satisfaction when going back to work on the monday.. we can all keep fit enough to stay off cardiovascular disease by the commute to work...

the dark side is calling you...



just cast your mind back.. you are 10 yrs old.. and you've jumped over 5 mates / your local stream in the park.. relive the freedom.. the highs are even bigger now...

this is fun, an escape, a reason to put up with the weekly grind.


you must at least be curious...?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 03, 2009, 11:06:30 pm
There are some activities that I know I will love, but I also know that I am a bit too 'enthusiastic' for. My body is fucked up enough without letting me loose on a downhill bike. A bit of XC and beng a roadie is enough for me. I'm way too stupid to be allowed a downhill bike!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 04, 2009, 08:26:46 am
It's a bmx - well with a huge spring in the back and a big fork at the front. It looks a beaut right now - but once its been ridden it won't.

Fatdoc - keep your grubby hands off.

Hopefully it will keep me sane in the next 6 months - as my weekly grind is more like 7 days of hell - with 2 days off every now and then, when all my mates are at work. Oh well at least Wharners will be quiet when I get to go .

Then a trip (not holiday) to Spain awaits.

Percy you know you need one of these bikes - it can't be anymore dangerous than riding on the road, I almost got taken off by a lorry going down to Baslow on Sunday.  FD have you seen the new version of your Giant?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 04, 2009, 09:02:07 pm
YES!

full outing of fatkid as a a wannabe DHer on the roadie thread :thumbsup:

Perc, I have a *spare DH rig* whenever you wanna have a go, it's not that hard.. (and a spare full facer an all), what it is, is not cycling as you know it.. anaerobic fitness specific, not aerobic. great release after a hard week at work though..

to this day I simply dont get why boulderers dont DH MTB, very similar mind set and personal feelings of achievement.

The new giant, yep looks good. My Totems will be back with me by the end of the week (2 weeks in wooler await it) and I'll be upgrading the Hopes to the new levers combined with 6 pots asap.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on August 04, 2009, 09:54:05 pm
There are some activities that I know I will love, but I also know that I am a bit too 'enthusiastic' for. My body is fucked up enough without letting me loose on a downhill bike. A bit of XC and beng a roadie is enough for me. I'm way too stupid to be allowed a downhill bike!
I sooo relate- the same reasoning lead me to never, never get a motorbike.
I'd be dead, you would all be desolate, I couldn't inflict that on you.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on August 04, 2009, 10:00:33 pm
Damian Hirsts Trek.  :-\

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/stages/hirst/ (http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/stages/hirst/)

"Lance is an inspiration to many people on many levels. Bono first approached me about the bike and described Lance to me as 'the greatest sportsman the world has ever known after Ali!'

Haha what a pair of utter fucking scum cunt dreck.  Fuck off!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 04, 2009, 10:29:07 pm
There are some activities that I know I will love, but I also know that I am a bit too 'enthusiastic' for. My body is fucked up enough without letting me loose on a downhill bike. A bit of XC and beng a roadie is enough for me. I'm way too stupid to be allowed a downhill bike!
I sooo relate- the same reasoning lead me to never, never get a motorbike.
I'd be dead, you would all be desolate, I couldn't inflict that on you.

i have to say that to is where I draw my personal line in the sand... it's like road bikes, but more in the lap of the gods (aka.. *i just didnt see you mate*) there are very few activities I'd not support my kids to do.. a motorbike is one such activity. I've seen some bad shit with regards to them there machines.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 18, 2009, 09:02:03 pm
Here's a useful routeplanning site - particularly if you've got a Garmin computer on your bike....

www.bikeroutetoaster.com (http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com)

Works well, you don't need to sign up, gives you useful stuff like a route profile and you can upload routes onto a gps thingie if you have one so you don't really have any excuse for getting lost. Supposedly.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on August 18, 2009, 11:11:36 pm
so you don't really have any excuse for getting lost. Supposedly.

Did the batteries run out?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 19, 2009, 12:47:36 pm
No. I simply plotted a massive loop on the map, popped it into the garmin thing, went for a ride and followed the directions. 35 miles out I realised that the loop on my computer screen was considerably larger on the road! Modern technology only works if you know how to work it. Mistakes can be tiring. The bloody Garmin thing even rubbed salt into the wounds as I limped home (a shadow of my former self) by telling my I'd burned through 2500 calories in 2 and a half hours. I'm so over technology....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on August 19, 2009, 11:21:23 pm
On a related note, I've been playing with Nokia Sports Tracker on my new phone, very similar to the one on the iPhone.
http://sportstracker.nokia.com (http://sportstracker.nokia.com)
Here's the ride Big Phil and I did tonight
http://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/workoutdetail/index.do?id=1450114 (http://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/workoutdetail/index.do?id=1450114)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on August 20, 2009, 07:38:38 am
On a related note, I've been playing with Nokia Sports Tracker on my new phone, very similar to the one on the iPhone.
http://sportstracker.nokia.com (http://sportstracker.nokia.com)
Here's the ride Big Phil and I did tonight
http://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/workoutdetail/index.do?id=1450114 (http://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/workoutdetail/index.do?id=1450114)

The nice thing about that is you can save and export to KML (the Google Earth markup format) and then overlay it on an embedded Google Map on your page.

I recorded part of a walk along the edge of Kinder Plateau (unfortunately the batteries ran out after 4 hours of polling the GPS satellites for position about four times a second!).

It doesn't always load properly, but I exported and embedded the map here (http://kimura.no-ip.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slack:walking_with_gps) along with some simple instructions (although as I say it doesn't always load and overlay properly, but this could be down to the low spec hardware the wiki/blog is running on  :-[).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on August 21, 2009, 12:23:27 pm
conclusive evidence that Sir Chris Hoy is a boulderer
(http://www.thewashingmachinepost.net/casco/chris.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on August 24, 2009, 09:33:40 am
Just got back from....
3 days surfing at moliet plage and san sebastian.
nice road bike ride up soem random basque hill
2 class mtb routes round barege
col du tourmalet
luchon uplift
2 days at valnord bike park
mont ventoux

oh... and lots of food and sunshine
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on August 25, 2009, 04:35:32 pm
There are some activities that I know I will love, but I also know that I am a bit too 'enthusiastic' for. My body is fucked up enough without letting me loose on a downhill bike. A bit of XC and beng a roadie is enough for me. I'm way too stupid to be allowed a downhill bike!
I sooo relate- the same reasoning lead me to never, never get a motorbike.
I'd be dead, you would all be desolate, I couldn't inflict that on you.

They wouldn't be desolate.  Judging by the accuracy of Fatdoc's diagnosis of my smashed hand, he'd probably tell everyone that you were having a little nap...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 26, 2009, 02:55:58 pm
Anybody need a new bike?
http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/r3-sl-tour-de-france-limited-edition-frameset-54cm-only-i316.html (http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/r3-sl-tour-de-france-limited-edition-frameset-54cm-only-i316.html)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on August 26, 2009, 04:38:59 pm
54cm is too small for me unfortunately. Alex is building an R3 up in my size though....

We partook of Alex's wares recently actually, bought her indoors a Cannondale Carbon Synapse from him. Very nice it is too, but a bit small for me. She seems to like it though.

Lovely shop.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on August 26, 2009, 04:48:49 pm
 :'( :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 27, 2009, 09:10:46 am
Alex is building an R3 up in my size though....
Woah there, Tim! You can't give out snippets like that without giving us a bit more detail. Which groupset, wheels, etc? Are you going fully bling? I think you're probably obliged to with that frame..... :'( :'( indeed
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on August 27, 2009, 09:30:32 am
Woah there. Apologies, you misunderstand me.

Alex is simply building up an R3 frame that happens to be in my size (as I'm the same size as him). He's not building it up for me specifically (although I suspect that the thought might have crossed his mind).

It does mean that I might get to ride it though and then who knows......?

Sorry to get you all excited. Buying Kim a road bike has sated my itchy bike buying wallet finger for now.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 27, 2009, 09:52:31 am
Shame....my advice is not to even throw your leg over it even if it does fit you. Its one of those bikes that once you've tried it you'll almost certainly end up remortgaging your house for it (and I reckon you'll need to! Bugger all change out of £2k just for the frame!)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on August 27, 2009, 11:03:29 am
We partook of Alex's wares recently actually, bought her indoors a Cannondale Carbon Synapse from him. Very nice it is too, but a bit small for me. She seems to like it though.

Snap! He delivered it last night and I think we're heading out for a first ride together this evening if
a) she contains her excitement for long enough
b) it doesn't rain

Got the frame and forks sorted for the "not the lagerfish bike project" and alex has taken them off to bash a headset into place. Photos to follow when I get them back.

I wonder if he'll let me ride the R3, it's the right size for me too...

 :bounce:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on August 27, 2009, 12:44:53 pm
Nice. I'll keep my eyes open for another one on the roads of Sheffield.

Is it the Turquoise/White colour?

We are off to do the Fred Whitton route (over 2 days) in a couple of weeks, so we'll be out and about getting her fit for that.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on August 27, 2009, 01:12:03 pm
Is it the Turquoise/White colour?
No, the non-carbon but almost all black one. Blinged up with white tyres and hbar tape to keep her happy ;-)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on August 27, 2009, 03:50:03 pm
Is it the Turquoise/White colour?
No, the non-carbon but almost all black one. Blinged up with white pale brown tyres and hbar tape to keep her happy ;-)

those tyres will be white for at east 20 seconds.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 27, 2009, 04:41:46 pm
Alex is simply building up an R3 frame that happens to be in my size (as I'm the same size as him). He's not building it up for me specifically (although I suspect that the thought might have crossed his mind).


Come on you know you want it - or more likely need it!!!!!
Or are you in denial about buying a bike you know you will have to ride a full pelt everywhere you go.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 27, 2009, 08:53:05 pm
Exactly. Saw the R3 today - its a beautiful thing, but like Fatkid says, it would make you super fit. The scornful glances of roadies on inferior machinery as they overtake you means that it is only ever possible to ride a Cervelo at full pelt, all the time, as far as I can see. Mind you, I do regularly ride past a lot of fat blokes on £5 grand bikes who seem to have got over it (particularly the guy on the Pinerello Prince who must have been struggling to maintain 10mph today). I spose its all a matter of principal. I'm one of the naive believers in the fact that you should only ride a bike that you can do justice to, but the reality is that this is almost never the case unless your a pro and get your bikes for free. The super fit rarely have the disposible cash to buy an amazing bike, whereas there are plenty of tubby exec's out there who have the cash to own expensive bikes, but can't ride them like they are supposed to be riden. Oh, the bittersweet irony  :'(

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 27, 2009, 09:18:32 pm
I saw some tubster spend over £5K on a spesh tarmac SL with upgraded wheel set a couple of months ago. I reckon with the size of his gut he would struggle to get down on the drops!!

Anyway Tim - when's your Cervelo going to be finished? Come on don't deny it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on August 27, 2009, 10:14:45 pm
There are some activities that I know I will love, but I also know that I am a bit too 'enthusiastic' for. My body is fucked up enough without letting me loose on a downhill bike. A bit of XC and beng a roadie is enough for me. I'm way too stupid to be allowed a downhill bike!
I sooo relate- the same reasoning lead me to never, never get a motorbike.
I'd be dead, you would all be desolate, I couldn't inflict that on you.

They wouldn't be desolate.  Judging by the accuracy of Fatdoc's diagnosis of my smashed hand, he'd probably tell everyone that you were having a little nap...

OI!

it was bruised...

just fractured underneath ;)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on August 28, 2009, 09:50:59 am
i think your expert diagnosis was, "It's grazed..."

still, no-one else believed it was either, till the x-ray arrived anyhow.

i think the wilier cento falls into the same category as the r3. one would have to ride like a beast...


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on August 28, 2009, 09:51:23 am
those tyres will be white for at east 20 seconds.
They have a nice brown tinge to them after last night's ride. And two dirty patches on the bars too from her old gloves. I swear that she almost took Jif to them when we got back

 :)

The super fit rarely have the disposible cash to buy an amazing bike, whereas there are plenty of tubby exec's out there who have the cash to own expensive bikes, but can't ride them like they are supposed to be riden. Oh, the bittersweet irony  
Was chatting to Alex about this a while back and he just shrugged. I guess tubby money is good money at the end of the day, much like the below average & average climbers who make up a significant portion of the gate at the works. I'm always worried where to lean my bike when I go into the shop, the only place I can find that's cheap enough is the little stand of goodies in front of the till!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on August 28, 2009, 11:09:30 am

The super fit rarely have the disposible cash to buy an amazing bike, whereas there are plenty of tubby exec's out there who have the cash to own expensive bikes, but can't ride them like they are supposed to be riden. Oh, the bittersweet irony  
Was chatting to Alex about this a while back and he just shrugged. I guess tubby money is good money at the end of the day, much like the below average & average climbers who make up a significant portion of the gate at the works. I'm always worried where to lean my bike when I go into the shop, the only place I can find that's cheap enough is the little stand of goodies in front of the till!

You're not wrong. I quite like having a reasonably tatty (by roadie standards) old bike. Not so much to live up to. Its a good bike, but it doesn't look super bling.

You wouldn't believe the number of very expensive bikes being pushed up hills in the Sportives, and I don't mean Hardknott Pass. Certainly should be each to their own though, and if you can afford it then why not buy a lovely bike, there's no ability based entrance exam to owning a flash bike.

Maybe there should be a man with a stopwatch and a clipboard at the top of Froggatt Hill confiscating bikes that are too good for their owners....

"15.47? sorry mate, thats £1500 bikes maximum for you. Come on, hand over the Colnago".

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on August 30, 2009, 08:32:20 pm
on dodgy ground there no sticky rubber/chalk/pads unless you can climb 8b etc
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on August 30, 2009, 09:09:47 pm

Exactly the point I was trying to make (obviously not very well).

I think that you should be allowed to buy whatever you like, whether its a flash bike or a top end pair of climbing shoes regardless of ability.


 Certainly should be each to their own though, and if you can afford it then why not buy a lovely bike, there's no ability based entrance exam to owning a flash bike.


Indeed, they are to be encouraged - a great source of second hand kit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on August 31, 2009, 10:51:08 am
Maybe there should be a man with a stopwatch and a clipboard at the top of Froggatt Hill confiscating bikes that are too good for their owners....

"15.47? sorry mate, thats £1500 bikes maximum for you. Come on, hand over the Colnago".
mmmmm
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on September 04, 2009, 10:34:48 am
These look absolutely brilliant.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/just-in-crud-roadracer-22881 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/just-in-crud-roadracer-22881)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on September 04, 2009, 11:03:32 am
bigd942 thought so too... (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,12434.0.html)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 14, 2009, 07:55:21 pm
This wanker is creating alot of net chatter - including tweets from Bradley Wiggins.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1211917/JAMES-MARTIN-The-Tesla-Roadster-electric-supercar-thats-fast-Ferrari.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1211917/JAMES-MARTIN-The-Tesla-Roadster-electric-supercar-thats-fast-Ferrari.html)
 :wank:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on September 14, 2009, 08:44:32 pm
He is a cunt of the highest order.  An oleaginous fuckwit who's only talent is to provide some sort of late afternoon masturbation fodder for middle-aged unemployed women who are too lazy to organise a rendezvous with their husband's best mate and darts partner.  That he writes for the Daily Mail is no surprise, and in some ways fortuitous, seeing as my DIY botulinum toxin production plant is running at full capacity now, and the initial batch will soon find its way into a huge sandwich consignment destined for, yes, the Daily Mail HQ.

Apparently he holds the world record for carrot chopping.

What a cunt... 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on September 19, 2009, 06:11:54 pm
Millar time. (http://www.steephill.tv/vuelta-a-espana/#20-results-2009)
(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com//2009/09/19/2/pic60132935_600.jpg)
Well done that man. Shame he's going to take over G-S eventually, he'd be a great road captain for sky. Enjoyed the Vuelta this year, glad Evans got third today, would have been harsh given his puncture debacle with the nuetral service car earlier in the race if he'd missed the podium. Shame about Gesinks crash, he looked strong in the hills, but he's young still.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on September 21, 2009, 10:20:23 am
This wanker is creating alot of net chatter - including tweets from Bradley Wiggins.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1211917/JAMES-MARTIN-The-Tesla-Roadster-electric-supercar-thats-fast-Ferrari.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1211917/JAMES-MARTIN-The-Tesla-Roadster-electric-supercar-thats-fast-Ferrari.html)
 :wank:
Bargain basement Clarkson rip-off.

Time to buy a new helmet. Any recommendations? Where's the best place to buy in Sheffield?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 21, 2009, 10:36:01 am
Problem is the main bike shop is Sheffield is wank (JE James) - however Fatdoc (the dirty boy) has recently admitted to buy a new Deviant  Full face Helmet from them as it was in the sale - so I expect you'll also find road helmets reduced as well. Don't expect any service at all - kind of self-service!!

La bicicleta which is Sheffield best shop (well if you want to abuse your credit card) doesn't sell helmets as far as I am aware.

Good on Dave Millar.
What's all the fuss with Team Sky - people seem to think they are going to win le tour or something as  Dave Brailsford is heading them up. Wiggo won't be going and I can't see him changing his mind - or any one else who might win a GT - and to me Contador could win whatever he fancies entering of the big 3.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 21, 2009, 12:53:48 pm
race scene any good? i see their adverts, thats over your way is it not.

i got a catlike whisper plus from prendas ciclismo, now they are very expensive... but i love it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 21, 2009, 01:55:00 pm
Race Scene is a great shop - had my Wilier serviced there a few months back. Came back riding the best it's ever ridden. Really good staff, it's just easier for me to get such jobs done at La Bicicleta in Sheffield.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on September 21, 2009, 03:38:14 pm
Thanks guys
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 22, 2009, 09:27:33 am
Anyone feel like getting fit over the winter for this:
http://centcolschallenge.com/ (http://centcolschallenge.com/)

UKB Team? Need to be in a team to enter. The route looks slightly tiring!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 22, 2009, 10:22:17 am
Not to mention the £1250 entry fee!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 22, 2009, 11:04:48 am
maybe the works could sponsor a team.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 22, 2009, 11:14:53 am
Graeme would want to be team masseuse though......
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 22, 2009, 11:30:23 am
also would there be enough folk keen/mad enough for a team or would there be such a response that a series selection events had to be organised to secure a place in the team.
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 22, 2009, 03:31:28 pm
I would think that the only people mad keen to join a team for this event will not be very familiar with how hard riding a number of cols in a day is, let alone riding 100 of them in 9 days (one day of your 10 ten day trip is a rest day!) Day two is essentially the Marmotte course which is an absolute killer, followed by 7 more days of the same - some days riding over 200 kms, and tackling 17 cols.....

I would be super cautious about commiting to ride this event - this year a good number of riders have been forced to retire due to injuries (worn out knees, etc, etc). You'd want to have got a large quantity of alpine miles in your legs before the start date! Its really hard to get any sort of valuable training for these types of mountains in the UK, so you'd need a couple of training trips too in my opinion. A big commitment of time and cash would be required - maybe this is a sort of super sportive for the super rich who don't have jobs/families/etc, etc....  :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 22, 2009, 05:51:20 pm
anyone up for the tour of the pennines on 3.10.2009?
its a short quick blast and there is a free curry at the end of it! im going to enter on the day if the weather is looking good.

http://www.torelli.co.uk/news_more.asp?news_id=52 (http://www.torelli.co.uk/news_more.asp?news_id=52)


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on September 22, 2009, 06:02:01 pm
how steep are those climbs, are they compact/triple territory.if not i might be tempted.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 22, 2009, 08:11:51 pm
Could be tempted. Looks like a nice course, although a profile might be useful - I don't know the hills round that neck of the woods very well....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 22, 2009, 08:18:01 pm
i have only ridden over that way once, the holme moss climb is steep (not even sure if that is in it, but i assume so). ill look on climb by bike at the rest of them and report back!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 22, 2009, 08:38:06 pm
Anyone feel like getting fit over the winter for this:
http://centcolschallenge.com/ (http://centcolschallenge.com/)

UKB Team? Need to be in a team to enter. The route looks slightly tiring!


fatkid, stop it  :spank:

you are meant to be training for the spainish DH trip.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 22, 2009, 08:44:18 pm
He's less likely to die on a DH trip with you than he is on that 100 cols thing!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 22, 2009, 09:38:44 pm
no profile, and the only two climbs i have been up over there are not in it! but that said, how hard can it be?.....it is however 25quid which seems steep for me for a half length sportive ride???
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 22, 2009, 10:24:32 pm
in other news just made a complaint to the BBC about their employment for James Martin. what a tosser.  :wank:

thinking about phoning us saturday kitchen to vote on food heaven/hell and ask an inane question then call him a cunt!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 23, 2009, 06:55:36 am
Anyone feel like getting fit over the winter for this:
http://centcolschallenge.com/ (http://centcolschallenge.com/)

UKB Team? Need to be in a team to enter. The route looks slightly tiring!


fatkid, stop it  :spank:

you are meant to be training for the spainish DH trip.

Oh yes - the one that I accidently mentioned to Mrs FD the other night - woops, she'd obviously also forgotten.

I'm not doing this Cent Cols - far too hard core for me. My cousin who use to race is thinking of getting a team together and thought getting a doctor on board may be of some use, until I pointed out that I wouldn't be much use to anyone as I laid dieing at the roadside at the top of some big col.

Chappers I was also thinking of phoning up Saturday kitchen, but have better things to do on a Saturday morning - but it must have crossed many a ridders mind.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on September 23, 2009, 10:19:47 am
Alan Partridge comes to mind...

James Martin:

Have you got a question for Jamie Oliver?

Steve:

Yeah, er, Jamie.

Jamie:

Hello, Steve, hello

Steve:

Um, I'm a big fan of The Naked Chef.

Tony:

{aspirated chuckle}Oh!

James Martin:

"The Naked Chef!"

Steve:

I'm just wondering if you're gonna bring that back, you know, have repeats of that

Jamie Oliver:

Um, there - I must confess- there aren't any firm plans at the moment, but I, I was a big fan of the series and I'm pleased to hear that, er, it's fondly remembered in the public's eye and, um, yes I'll do my best to see for the fut...actually, you could possibly get it on video.

James Martin:

Is it available on video?

Steve:

No, I don't think so

Jamie:

You could try the BBC Shop, but I'm not sure myself

James Martin:

Well I hope, I hope that helps you, Steve.

Steve:

Yeah. Can I ask you a question, James?

James Martin:

Certainly. Fire away.

Steve:

Why are you such a cunt?

James Martin:

Um, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, we do, we can't...we had no control of that so I apologise in advance

Steve:

You haven't answered the question you fat faced fuck pig…

James Martin:

Why hasn't he been cut off!!? He should have been cut off!...

Steve:

Why are you...{cut off}
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 23, 2009, 07:46:27 pm
(http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/download/file.php?id=33515&mode=view)

i thought this might interest some of you...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 23, 2009, 09:38:21 pm
holy shit....


sweeet...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on September 24, 2009, 07:44:49 am
Du Nu Nu nu Nu nu nu nu Du Nu nu nu nu nu nu nu Du Nu nu nu nu nu nu nuu bat bike!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on September 24, 2009, 09:20:32 am
That thing must be so quick that it needs stealth paint to avoid radar spped guns.

Ugly seatpost though, otherwise its lovely.

Seeing as its from the Weight Weenies website it probably only weighs 10lbs or something too.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 24, 2009, 03:49:46 pm
OMFG - Just been watching the world championship time trial and Cancellera was just awesome - totally blitzed everybody.
And poor old Wiggo - challenging for 3rd and had a mechanical problem - ?something went wrong with his gear cabling.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on September 25, 2009, 10:15:27 am
OMFG - Just been watching the world championship time trial and Cancellera was just awesome - totally blitzed everybody.
And poor old Wiggo - challenging for 3rd and had a mechanical problem - ?something went wrong with his gear cabling.

Bet Wiggo - won't be using Di2 again.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 25, 2009, 02:05:19 pm
Tour of the Pennines profile is here - http://www.cyclosport.org/eventdetails.aspx?eventid=2322 (http://www.cyclosport.org/eventdetails.aspx?eventid=2322)

Wiggins Di2 dropped his chain for him which knocked his brake calipers out of alignment causing them to rub on his wheels - not what you need in a time trial!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 26, 2009, 08:16:23 am
i bet he wishes that british cycling/garmin (whoever prepped his bike) spent an extra tenner for a chain keeper!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on September 27, 2009, 03:46:17 pm
Went to reccie cat and fiddle today and do a bit of training for tour of peak - fuckwit that i am chose to ride on the day of a time trial.  guys passing me like they were on motorbikes.  winning time for 6.5 miles up cat and fiddle - 18 mins and 12 seconds - sheeeit!   :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 27, 2009, 10:14:45 pm
that wasnt you that we pointed in the right direction from the brickworks was it??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on September 28, 2009, 12:55:57 pm
Collected my new wheels today, and have been out for a quick ride this afternoon. Based on this I can firmly say that I for one will not buy any expensive 'super-light' factory-made wheels again. The cheaper factory wheels are great for what they are, but hand-built to your own spec is definately the way to go if you are investing in a really good pair of wheels.
What I've ended up with is a pair of wheels that weigh well under 1400 grams for the pair, that are super stiff and quick (Ambrosio Chrono rims, DT Swiss aerolight spokes, Tune Hubs and Tufo S3 tubs), and cost a third of anything made in a factory that comes anywhere near in quality or performance. They look the business on the bike too (they make the whole bike look skinny!), and you can tell the wheel builder exactly how you want them laced so they perform exactly how you want. Its taken a while to get them, but well worth the wait.  :)
They might be factory built but those mavic wheels you sold me Percy are definitely a step up from run of the mill clinchers I'm used to. They roll nice and smooth esp with the 23mm tyres on pumped up to 100psi.

Are the hand builds better that the planet X carbon ?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 28, 2009, 03:06:05 pm
any wheel will be better than planet x, they all have the same terrible hubs from what i can work out  :shrug:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Joepicalli on September 29, 2009, 11:54:34 am
Went to reccie cat and fiddle today and do a bit of training for tour of peak - fuckwit that i am chose to ride on the day of a time trial.  guys passing me like they were on motorbikes.  winning time for 6.5 miles up cat and fiddle - 18 mins and 12 seconds - sheeeit!   :o
Niel Bentley was in the time trial: - He came 9th 21minutes something. And apparently he can climb a bit or something :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on September 29, 2009, 01:56:18 pm
Bentlegs came third in the buxton long hill time trial average speed 18.532mph, gulp
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on September 30, 2009, 09:56:22 pm
Whats the brickworks?



....aaaah, the wonders of google.

no.  im sorry to say i drove out to mac - legs were still dead from saturday.  anyone elso doing tour de peak on 24th oct?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 02, 2009, 10:30:21 am
(http://www.wilierbikes.co.uk/2010/images/cat/1600/R10IC.jpg)

http://www.londoncyclesport.com/Showroom/Product_News/New_Wilier_Imperiale.html (http://www.londoncyclesport.com/Showroom/Product_News/New_Wilier_Imperiale.html)


Anyone noticed this? Wilier Imperiale. Replaces the Le Roi as the second model down from the Cento.  Still over 4 big ones mind.

I don't want a Cento now...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on October 02, 2009, 06:27:50 pm
I thought the imperiale was the aero version of the cento1 to compete with bikes such as the Cervelo S3. I may be wrong though.
http://www.RoadCyclingUK.com/news/article/mps/uan/4261 (http://www.RoadCyclingUK.com/news/article/mps/uan/4261)
http://www.wilier.it/ (http://www.wilier.it/)

I'm also stuck as to which bike I need to get. The cento superleggero looks interesting as well.  :-\

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 02, 2009, 08:40:19 pm
It's based on the Cento and it is aero, so I suppose it is.  They're only offering it with Chorus in the UK, so it's much better priced (relatively).

The Cento Superleggera is also awesome.  The Imperiale just looks so good though. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on October 03, 2009, 03:20:23 pm
a wilier naysayer sez build up an s1 frame

(http://www.thetristore.com/newproductsthumbs/s1frame.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on October 03, 2009, 11:06:35 pm
I'm with Soaps, Wiliers have never done it for me and that imperiale looks like a rubbish bmc-alike. Sorry.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 03, 2009, 11:14:59 pm
Willier, schmillier........ Cervelo for me every time, or a Lynskey, or a Lightspeed, or a Look, or a Serotta......

Most of the expensive Italian bikes nowadays are made in Taiwan/China/Vietnam (delete as appropriate) anyway. Not that there's anything wrong with this - just that if you spend loads on a nice Italian thoroughbred, I for one would like it to have been lovingly crafted in an Italian workshop....not on a massive far eastern production line making bikes for 20 different brands...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 04, 2009, 09:58:41 am
fuck willier. THIS is beauty:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2195/2402362834_461256028d_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 04, 2009, 10:16:08 am
Actually, I don't know if I'd really want to ride a carbon bike made in Italy.  I'd be fine with something in steel that some wrinkly old bloke called Massimo welded together, but I'm not sure I'd trust him to lay up a load of Mitsubishi 46 ton composite.

I'd get another Litespeed only I kind of wonder if technology hasn't moved on a bit and carbon is now definitely the way forward...

(I realise my argument must sound a little like Maureen from driving school trying to decide between a Zonda and an Enzo...)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on October 04, 2009, 10:45:26 am
if it's steel, how's about pegoretti
(http://www.mosquito-bikes.co.uk/images/bikes/pegoretti/respons_zoom_1%20LARGE.jpg)

ali, the aformentioned s1

carbon, then
(http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/bikes-and-gear/bikes/road/CYP201/CYP201.storck.pack-399-75.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 04, 2009, 11:08:50 am
I didn't know much about the S1 - it sounds rather good...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 04, 2009, 04:57:33 pm
Oh, anyone got any recommendations for micro pumps to carry when on one's road bike?  Something that'll fit in a saddle bag.  I was carrying a CO2 thing till quite recently, but then I got a puncture and the bloody thing decided to vent all the gas onto my hand instead of into the tyre.

I think TLR had something impressively small (boom boom) when he was packing his stuff for the ride back from Cannock to Sheffield.  What was that?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on October 04, 2009, 05:26:27 pm
I was filling my lycra out with this http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=11314 (http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=11314)

Seems to work on the odd occasions that I've had to use it, and weighs almost precisely fuck all.

Glad I've got a track pump in the garage though!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 04, 2009, 07:30:10 pm
Italian and carbon no issues with me, there again I'm no old guard roadie

Wilier look cool, are good value IMO and even I have to break anything on it.

Not the ultimate.. But you don't look like an Xmas tree on acid and it's a fast responsive frame.

Suits me.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 04, 2009, 07:34:11 pm
That does look good. I was getting confused with Lezyne ones.  They're not as small as I thought, although look quite fancy...

I am sold.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 04, 2009, 08:07:44 pm
I'd get another Litespeed only I kind of wonder if technology hasn't moved on a bit and carbon is now definitely the way forward...

Here is your next bike, Yos.

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/4303 (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/4303)

The only drawback to this plan will be the £2200 price tag for the frame....but then again, I currently ride one of the original carbon Lightspeeds so if this new one is way better than my current bike then it is almost certainly worth a serious look!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on October 04, 2009, 08:43:28 pm
Surely that Storck Fascenario is the ultimate carbon bike, only weighs 10.7 lbs, (and costs 10k  8)).

I'd love to have a go on one of those up Froggatt!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on October 04, 2009, 09:09:30 pm
I was trying to bring it (relatively) back down to earth...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on October 05, 2009, 06:30:08 am
Chappers that is awesome.

Yoss - bike radar reviewed this (http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/tools/cycling-tools/floor-track-pump/product/air-mini-track-pump-09-35195) recently - sounds like a good solution and should help get reasonable pressures.
(http://1253095107287-1qm38y5e6q67w-399-75.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 05, 2009, 09:13:55 am
i would say, millionaires amongst us aside, any "italian" carbon bike we could afford is more than likely to be created in the far east. (my "italian" kuota frame cost nearly 900 quid, and was manufactured in taiwan) - most lower end models will be. only when you are buying the very top of the range will an italian have made it, and then, would you doubt the quality of a top of the range colnago?

carbon is the way forward. but there is a place for Ti. because they are so beautiful. look for vanilla bikes, or moots. something bespoke in Ti, yes please.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 05, 2009, 09:17:35 am
(http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://bicycling.com/blogs/)

 8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 05, 2009, 09:22:47 am
did that work??

try here if not: http://bicycling.com/blogs/thisjustin/files/2009/09/2010_vamoots_rsl_profile.jpg (http://bicycling.com/blogs/thisjustin/files/2009/09/2010_vamoots_rsl_profile.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on October 05, 2009, 09:50:20 am
Oh, anyone got any recommendations for micro pumps to carry when on one's road bike?  Something that'll fit in a saddle bag.  I was carrying a CO2 thing till quite recently, but then I got a puncture and the bloody thing decided to vent all the gas onto my hand instead of into the tyre.

I think TLR had something impressively small (boom boom) when he was packing his stuff for the ride back from Cannock to Sheffield.  What was that?
i've got one of those top peak pocket rockets.i've had to use a couple of times recently and i was pleasantly suprised how much pressure you can get with it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on October 05, 2009, 12:37:56 pm
I was trying to bring it (relatively) back down to earth...

pfft!

of course, you simply have to fit

(http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/lightweight-ventouxr-zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on October 06, 2009, 09:29:40 am
if it's steel, how's about pegoretti
(http://www.mosquito-bikes.co.uk/images/bikes/pegoretti/respons_zoom_1%20LARGE.jpg)

ali, the aformentioned s1

carbon, then
(http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/bikes-and-gear/bikes/road/CYP201/CYP201.storck.pack-399-75.jpg)

My Uncle has a pegoretti - and it is a thing of beauty. It's a shame he's a short arse and it'll never fit me. Buying one is like owning an antique - with Dario suffering from lymphoma it can't be long before he stops building them, although I expect he has an apprentice ready to take over.

That Storck thing is ridiculous £10K - it's suppose to be really uncomforable - mind you if performance is your only concern. Interesting that no pro-tour team rides them.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 06, 2009, 05:37:13 pm
some total cunts stole that beautiful stealth colnago that i posted a while ago.
a few days ago it turned up on ebay. check out the listing, pure comedy. i hope the fuckers get nailed by the police for this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/colnago-racer-bike-carbon-fiber-frame-and-wheals_W0QQitemZ150377926965QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Bikes_GL?hash=item2303391135&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1182 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/colnago-racer-bike-carbon-fiber-frame-and-wheals_W0QQitemZ150377926965QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Bikes_GL?hash=item2303391135&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1182)

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62984&start=15 (http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62984&start=15)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on October 06, 2009, 06:48:59 pm
Brilliant, gotta love that seat height in the picture and his description.

I'd love to know whether the police will even be interested in this though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on October 06, 2009, 07:00:38 pm
Have you reported them to the cops and to eBay?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 06, 2009, 07:41:59 pm
oh, its nothing to do with me. from what i can tell on the WWsite the guy who owns the bike is on it. worst thing would be contacting the seller...i think the police would sort this. maybe best to bid 1million pounds so sure to win, then arrange to collect, take a D lock and beat the fucker half to death - and thats just because he cant steal a bike in his correct size!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 11, 2009, 04:35:42 pm
just watched neil bently nearly collapse at the top of the monsal head hill climb. he won the vetrans. truly a monster.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on October 11, 2009, 04:39:47 pm
What was the course, and what were the times? Was it just the climb from the valley bottom up to the pub?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 11, 2009, 04:50:17 pm
total length 617m finishing on the corner infront of the cafe. starts on the flat bit about 5m before the start of the steepness. fastest ever Malc Elliot 1:16 (back in the 80's), fastest today 1:28. my mate tom did 1:37 which was top 10 i think...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on October 12, 2009, 01:35:43 pm
Damm forgot that it was this weekend meant to go have a looksee

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/400734/taylor-takes-monsal-hill-climb.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/400734/taylor-takes-monsal-hill-climb.html)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 12, 2009, 08:40:41 pm
(http://static.londonfgss.com/attachments/16136d1255308152-rh.jpg)

i want one of these...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on October 13, 2009, 09:12:00 am
Damm forgot that it was this weekend meant to go have a looksee

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/400734/taylor-takes-monsal-hill-climb.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/400734/taylor-takes-monsal-hill-climb.html)

I've always got cramp when i get to the top of this!
and, through no influence of my own i might add, just found out we sponsored this event.
anyone doing the peak tour end of this month? it looks monstrous.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on October 13, 2009, 11:41:01 am
Was due to do tour of the Peak - but can't due to work. If anyone wants my ticket - let me know.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigphil on October 13, 2009, 02:08:18 pm
I'm doing the Tour of the Peak, as I believe is Clm.  I think there's near enough 700 signed up.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on October 13, 2009, 04:39:56 pm
(http://static.londonfgss.com/attachments/16136d1255308152-rh.jpg)

i want one of these...

..flux capacitor attached on the right, yeah..?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: El Mocho on October 16, 2009, 01:17:35 pm
Second ride of any distance on my new bike today and my first go on Froggatt hill. Set off up the hill about 20sec behind some lad - passed him when he stopped to answere his phone? but he passed me again just as we left the trees which was lucky as I started wilting as I went into the slight head wind. Tried to keep the gap no more than 50m or so to the top but the last 4 mins were pretty grim.

I think I did it in just over 17min but I was using the wifes wrist watch (with no stop watch) and my eyes could hardly focus on the hands before I collapsed into the verge and started retching. Was very pleased that I wasn't actually sick as I often continue until that is the case (when running, climbing etc) and it then takes me a couple of months to get over the whole experience.

A guy coming the other way at the top did stop to ask me if I was ok! This was after I had been sitting there for a couple of mins and thought I was starting to feel better.

Thank god it was down hill all the way to Dore (was taking May back home from Gymnastics on the train).

Well excited by all this lycra wearing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on October 16, 2009, 02:39:52 pm
 :bow: :bow:

you're in the club now mate...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 21, 2009, 04:23:44 pm
Cheeky, I know, but if you want to buy a cheap compact chainset I have one for sale in the for sale section (for those of you who, like me, hardly ever look in that section).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigphil on October 25, 2009, 03:03:24 pm
It was the Tour of the Peak yesterday and generally horrible conditions. How did those hardcore roadies on here fair?  Took me 9hrs 22mins to do the long route with 8hrs riding and the rest eating, drinking and fixing a broken chain. I don't think I've ever done anything so brutal on a bike but I'm probably going to sign up and do it next year now the fatigue is wearing away.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 01, 2009, 11:27:03 am
Heads up. Kilo to go entries for 2010 went live at midnight.

I'm in the Cat on 28th march, 67 miles.

Get in gents, will fill faaast.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on November 03, 2009, 12:55:59 pm
did my first little beginner fell race at weekend (dovedale dash) and i've just booked on to Cheshire Cat. The walking lung (brummie lee) is going to do it as well. psyched for a winter of pain. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigphil on November 03, 2009, 01:28:33 pm
Heads up. Kilo to go entries for 2010 went live at midnight.

I'm in the Cat on 28th march, 67 miles.

Get in gents, will fill faaast.

Is it £25 like the Tour of the Peak?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on November 03, 2009, 01:36:41 pm
£28
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 03, 2009, 09:46:31 pm
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4069907689_d5fe1bbd63_b.jpg)

touring bike pr0n...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Houdini on November 04, 2009, 03:35:38 am
^ Urgh. 


Not into these classic seats that are all the rage now

They've got PERINEUM TISSUE DEATH written all over them
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on November 04, 2009, 01:39:09 pm
Agree, i rode a Brooks on my single for about three years, thought it looked well good, (it did), luckily it was stolen from outside a pub so I could move on to a proper seat.

On the road bike I'm with the Arione.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 05, 2009, 11:08:33 am
Time for my annual post on this thread as I fall back in love with roadie stuff after a week riding in the sunshine in Italy. Have a look here   http://www.riccionebikehotels.it/ (http://www.riccionebikehotels.it/) for details if you're interested. It makes for a great family holiday. Ride in the am then come back to gorge yourself on pasta and red wine before playing on the beach with the kids until it gets dark. Quick jacuzzi, more food then bed. Repeat for a week.

I went here on Friday. Lovely steady climb about 6k of 6-7% to the castle.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_tAPUVH8YW7s/SvKvZw9u7II/AAAAAAAAAHY/Bg7EcYxCKnA/s576/Montefiore_Conca_mattino.jpg)

and here on Sunday

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_tAPUVH8YW7s/SvKxKY6OLNI/AAAAAAAAAHc/l1-OQp6AxSE/s128/San%2520Marino.jpg)

which was much harder and longer.

Now its back to pulling on small bits of wood and resin in the shed...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 05, 2009, 01:02:34 pm
Right peeps,

recommend me a well funky very water resistant rucksack so I can ride to work with my laptop... No doubt there is the knowledge on here!

Looks stunning Dolly, I'm jealous, the A61 at 7 in the morning doesn't hold the same charm!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 05, 2009, 01:11:58 pm
(http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.kudubikes.co.uk/shop/images/thumbs/t_ortliebmessengerpro.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEcpyIERESdtzrUCGnqgVzMLsxhLQ)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 05, 2009, 08:17:34 pm
to be a right lazy twat... online retailers you recomend??

cheers...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on November 06, 2009, 01:40:39 pm
If anyone is looking for a bit of French cyclosport action in 2010, (or even looking to avoid the crowds!) then this list of dates (http://www.velo-concept.com/?pg=articles&rub=5&cat=14&id=1623&lang=) might be useful

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 06, 2009, 04:06:56 pm
doc...
i was in a hurry when i posted that so didnt qualify my recommendation...that is the bag i would get if i could again. i spend a similar amount of money on a handmade couriers bag from berlin based bagjack. but the conventional rucksack i fell would give a better ride for the non-courier (we dont need to sling it on and off all the time).
Ortlieb bags are amazing quality, and 100% waterproof.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 06, 2009, 07:50:24 pm

Looks stunning Dolly, I'm jealous, the A61 at 7 in the morning doesn't hold the same charm!!

Well the joys of the winter commute have begun in ernest : snotty nose, dirty bike, cold feet, too cold one day, too bloody hot the next, first mainline drivers trying to kill you. And look FD 'needs' a new bag. You just can't beat it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 06, 2009, 08:28:58 pm
I'm having that bag..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on November 06, 2009, 08:34:05 pm
..and those heels darling, those heels
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: erm, sam on November 06, 2009, 09:18:38 pm
A friend of mine has just got one of these...
http://www.doobybrain.com/2009/09/09/review-seal-line-urban-backpack/&usg=__WxJJ-dqZpvM_O64m9SiJBTSn2ag=&h=900&w=600&sz=56&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=Ri8xme6kuGIgcM:&tbnh=146&tbnw=97&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dseal%2Bline%2Burban%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 (http://www.doobybrain.com/2009/09/09/review-seal-line-urban-backpack/&usg=__WxJJ-dqZpvM_O64m9SiJBTSn2ag=&h=900&w=600&sz=56&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=Ri8xme6kuGIgcM:&tbnh=146&tbnw=97&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dseal%2Bline%2Burban%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1)

sorry for the long link. Don't know how to do the sophisticated linking thing..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 07, 2009, 06:24:14 pm
I'm having that bag..

£ 60 from wiggle.

In silver... Only concern is the lack of tabs to clip a light on to.. I'm sure a bodge with some climbing cord on the clasp will be OK

te reviews on wiggle are very impressive, repeatedly mentioning lap tops surviving torrential rain commutes. Seems to goo to be true.


Thanks for the UKB knowledge guys
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on November 25, 2009, 10:29:49 am
just bought my first turbo trainer.  :great:
a few quid off at evans and another wet and windy night was enough to convince me that the time has come. am looking forward to suffering in the comfort of my own house.
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 26, 2009, 09:14:08 pm
welcome to sweat club. the first rule of sweat club is...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 27, 2009, 08:29:34 pm
....put a towel over your bike otherwise it will rust away.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 28, 2009, 05:11:43 pm
Southern Spain - Sun, sea & steep hills so much nicer than winter miles in The Peak or swearing & sweating on a turbo.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 29, 2009, 09:19:35 am
bike early got onto the patio this morning....

oh well.. off to the board...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on December 01, 2009, 12:33:56 pm
I'm in the market for a turbo trainer or rollers.  Which one?  Have a limit of up to roughly 200 quid, may pay more if the recommendation is really worth it.

Been looking at the CycleOps range, all have lifetime warranty and from wiggle decently priced as well...

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/CycleOps_Super_Magneto_Pro_Turbo_Trainer/5360039907/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/CycleOps_Super_Magneto_Pro_Turbo_Trainer/5360039907/)

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/CycleOps_Jet_Fluid_Pro_Turbo_Trainer_with_DVD/5360039908/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/CycleOps_Jet_Fluid_Pro_Turbo_Trainer_with_DVD/5360039908/)

There is also the option of getting the Aluminium rollers with resistance unit but I'd be looking at 275 notes for that.  I have also heard that its difficult to get out of the saddle on rollers...?

The collective UKB wisdom would be much appreciated here before I part with my hard earned cash.  And before you say just get out there and ride...  I have considered this but with climbing and other stuff I just don't have the time in the week so would be great to spend a quick 45 - 60 mins on a trainer / rollers to get some fitness...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on December 01, 2009, 05:58:05 pm
I've got the classic fluid cycleops which is about £170 - had a couple of years and seems fine to me.

Never been on rollers - but I've heard they're a bit of a marmite thing.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on December 01, 2009, 10:36:05 pm
Hmmm I've been looking at the Kreitler rollers.  Apparantly they come very highly recommended and I've looked at youtube to see what they're like.  There's some amusing videos for sure of people falling off!

Any recommendations for posting on bike forums (which one I mean) and getting their knowledge?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 02, 2009, 10:03:35 am
i've used rollers in the past,before turbo trainers were invented and they were a bit of a novelty item.if you want to do structured training to get fitter,stronger and develop mental umph use a turbo trainer.if you just want to twiddle about while watching the telly rollers will be ok.
i still use a basic fan/flywheel turbo and this works fine for the majority of workouts. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on December 02, 2009, 10:19:50 am
Well to further add to my dilemma that I'm having... (Dare I say it in here?)  I'm also considering getting a mountain bike soon...  I've seen some good bargains in the 1k bracket at my LBS.  Buying one of these would mean I don't have the money to get a turbo trainer until 2010 at the earliest.

I do have a mountain bike at the moment but it is so bad it is not worth mentioning.  If you'd like to know, it's worth no more than £10 at the moment probably.

Can't make my bleedin' mind up.   :shrug: :wall:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 02, 2009, 11:13:30 am
if you are out just to have fun and get fit along the way buy a mountain bike.if you want to win your local road race league next year get a turbo trainer.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 02, 2009, 12:36:27 pm
I'm with Webbo on this one. If you just want to keep fit over the winter, XC mountain biking does it for me. If you want to do some structured training, get a turbo (a proper training plan is the only way I could motivate myself for the pain, and I've never really bothered...too much other stuff to do to find a regular slot for training). If you want a good way of improving your technique on a bike (balance, pedaling style, etc) get some rollers. They are great for getting a good warm-up before heading out on really cold days but pretty useless for serious training.
Out of all the above methods for keeping bike fit over the winter, I prefer mountain biking and spinning on my track bike on rollers.

Only get a turbo if you are very motivated, otherwise you'll have it on eBay inside the year!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on December 02, 2009, 06:09:31 pm
for 1k stay hardtail
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 02, 2009, 10:59:42 pm
 :agree:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on December 03, 2009, 11:31:13 am
Thanks for suggestions guys.

Had a stroke of luck - a mate who's away from home has said I can use his bike for a bit so I can hold off the buying a MTB for a short while.  I've instead plumped for some nice winter clothing (I've been riding in shorts and base layer / jersey so its a bit nippy) and also ordered some great new lights from Hong Kong...  Cheap as chips and should be able to use these for off-roading as well at night time!!  Bit of a wait to get them but they've been touted as equivalents to those really expensive ones on the market today, but for much less...!

So that's my night-time riding (road or MTB) sorted!

When buying a new MTB I intend to stay hardtail at the 1k region...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 03, 2009, 05:27:36 pm
what you need to do is:
1) man up and stop this silly mtb talk.
2) rob someone rich so that you can buy this:

http://sl.pk0r.com/Bike/index.htm (http://sl.pk0r.com/Bike/index.htm)

(3.75kg).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on December 03, 2009, 09:40:53 pm
ninja bike.

anyone used speedplay pedals before? I have no problem with my knees normally but they seem to be allergic to clipless pedals. The only pedals I have used that don't hurt them is an old pair of Time atac mtb pedals, so I'm reckoning on a pair of speedplays to mount on these:-
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31FmpDwC0YL._AA280_.jpg)
three hole look mount  . Any experience of them? (speedplays not the shoes!!)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 04, 2009, 09:34:30 am
why those shoes? like a cross between football boots and golf shoes!

i had some speedplay for a short time, infact i got them for free from this very forum! they were good, but in the end i passed them on to a friend because i just prefered the look pedals i had before because i felt "too high up" in the speedplay (difficult to explain).

i had some knee trouble, so i switched (from grey) to the red look cleats - problem solved. have you thought of that?

if your question was: will speedplay mount on the three hole look design - yes, they come with a black plate that "adapts" the shoe - why i felt too high i think...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on December 04, 2009, 03:16:04 pm
Why those? I like adidas and they were €40.

I did think about the red look cleats too, but I was interested in what people had to say about the speedplays since they are always mentioned when people talk about knee trouble. they are pricey and less common so I'd like to try before shelling out on them.

Shame to have missed out on the great UKB speedplay giveaway!!!

When you say they felt too "high" - is that in a heath-robinson kind of a way (in the sense that the adapter plate is a bit of a compromise), or more out of personal preference?

What does your friend think of the speedplays?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 04, 2009, 03:30:09 pm
i suspect they were 40 quid for a reason.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on December 04, 2009, 04:02:18 pm
i suspect they were 40 quid for a reason.
They maybe out of fashion but they fit great so even if they don't last as long as a €200 shoe is expected to last I'll not complain too loudly!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 04, 2009, 04:24:39 pm
i personally don't believe clipless pedals cause knee problems.its more likely to be your set up/postion or even cheap shoes :whistle:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on December 04, 2009, 07:25:37 pm
maybe, you had any experience i can benefit from the retelling thereof?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on December 04, 2009, 09:18:59 pm
I ride Speedplay on my road bikes - I really like them. Not really sure why but they seem good to me. I did change my saddle height when I switched from Time's but that was it. I've recently had knee surgery - but switched onto Speedplay before this.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on December 04, 2009, 09:32:26 pm
dubdom

great choice of shoe, very desirable as discontinued

[/retro]
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 05, 2009, 12:09:08 am
i personally don't believe clipless pedals cause knee problems.its more likely to be your set up/postion or even cheap shoes :whistle:
:agree:

as you can see from earlier on in this maaaasssive thread.. i ended up off speedplays and onto old fashioned looks, set up brilliantly by a shop in sheff... knees fine now(I have a spack foot)

good luck dude.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on December 05, 2009, 12:15:55 pm
thanks for the comments, still not sure what to do, the other reason that I like the speedplays is because they are double sided. ho hum, I suspect that paying a few quid to get the whole thing set up properly might be the answer. Any recommendations for where to go in Sheffield to get a good setup sorted?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: El Mocho on December 05, 2009, 05:00:30 pm
Although in no way a wad on the bike (so my recomendations are not based on much knowledge) La Bicicleta (54 Greystones Rd) seem pretty on the ball. I know people like Percy recomend them highly.

I went for a bike fit there last week and Alex was very good. Only been out for a shortish ride since (bout 1hr 15) but I could really feel a difference in my comfort and position - I was maybe a bit faster too!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 05, 2009, 05:13:13 pm
that's the badger
 :agree:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on December 05, 2009, 07:56:05 pm
cool, how do they compare to racescene?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 06, 2009, 02:07:20 pm
La Bicicleta - smaller, lots of posh bikes and carbon wheels, excellent bike-fit service, a good line in coffee and cakes during the day), friendly staff, not in Barnsley
RaceScene - Bigger shop, lots of nice Italian bkes, good bike fitting service (although not as thorough as Alex at LB), friendly staff, in Barnsley

LB for me every time now.

Whilst I'm posting, I have ridden on Speedplays for the last 3 years and love them (as do my knees). Pricey, but worth it in my opinion. Its horses for courses with pedals - really you just need to try some for a bit, but the cost of Speedplays make this a non starter for most. I bit the bullet and bought some in the hope they would fix my dodgy knee problems, and luckily they were much better for me than the Looks I used before.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on December 06, 2009, 06:36:31 pm
Many thanks for the beta on pedals and shops...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Snoops on December 11, 2009, 11:02:01 am
I see the Wiggo has left Garmin and got with the program!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/dec/10/bradley-wiggins-team-sky-transfer (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/dec/10/bradley-wiggins-team-sky-transfer)
 Didn't think it would happen. Great news like has he got any strong boys with him in Sky to help him get on podium though  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chummer on December 13, 2009, 12:43:54 pm
I'm pretty new to road biking, I thought it would be better for my knees than running and a good way of going to work so I bought a nice Merida 'Road race', did a few rides on it and then suddenly and unexpectedly got all gear freakish and have now just upgraded to a beautiful carbon machine...http://lapierre-bikes.co.uk/lapierre/road-bike/2009/X-LITE-400-FDJ/specifications, (http://lapierre-bikes.co.uk/lapierre/road-bike/2009/X-LITE-400-FDJ/specifications,) (over a grand off it as it belonged to the shop owner, which is nice..). Now i'm looking at carbon seat posts and the like, and am wondering what the next best way of lightening the load may be, does this mean I have to shave my legs now?

(Oh and excuse the shamless plug but the Merida is in now in the for sale forum)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 13, 2009, 08:20:21 pm
reduce the weight of your rolling bits:
(http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/lightweight-std-zoom.jpg)
1015g!
£2,299.99!!!!

or...if your budget is not quite that high i have some of these:
(http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/campag-zonda-wheelset-zoom.jpg)
Front wheel - 675 g
Rear wheel - 935 g
and £350 ish if you shop around.

obv loads of other light shit about.
i enjoy the USE seat post i have:

http://www.use1.com/products/rigid_seat_posts/carbon/index.php (http://www.use1.com/products/rigid_seat_posts/carbon/index.php)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 13, 2009, 09:45:12 pm
top end formula wheels... 1500g for the pair.. not light for the price.. but the rotational weight is.. as they dont break, dont need servicing and are a comfy ride.. formula 1s.. blade spokes, they happen to look cool too!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on December 13, 2009, 10:21:36 pm
Sod buying all this carbon, just go on a diet and then bingo there's a few kilos saved & a few hundred pounds.

Mind you, I like the pinarello's Team Sky are riding next year.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chummer on December 13, 2009, 11:21:59 pm
Well, I defo don't need to go on a diet fatkid, I only weigh around 63kg so anything off the bike I really can feel. As for wheels, the Mavic's that came with the bike come in at just over 1700g, for cost V's weight should I stick with these for now?
I'm entering triathlons and so am looking for tribars, is it worth going carbon on these and does anyone have any advice or suggestions?
Good knowledge on the seatpost chappers, I've been looking around for one of these and that seems to fit the bill nicely. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 14, 2009, 01:49:09 pm
Absolutely the best advice I can give you regarding wheels is find a good wheel builder and get some hand-made hoops. The pair I got cost £400 in bits and another 100 spot for labour, give or take. What I got was a bomb-proof pair of wheels that weigh 1300grams for the pair. You won't get a better set of factory made wheels with the same spec for less than a grand.
As regards cheap, light carbon bits like tri-bars, planet X are normally the boys.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on December 14, 2009, 02:07:19 pm
I had an approx £400 budget for some new wheels - sounds like great advice Percy though I'm not really sure what I'm buying or where to start?

Are there compatibility issues with various Hubs/Rims/Spokes and where would be a good place to get the components?

I had been thinking about these;
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Shimano_Dura_Ace_7850_Carbon_Laminate_Clincher_Fr_Wheel/5360030872/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Shimano_Dura_Ace_7850_Carbon_Laminate_Clincher_Fr_Wheel/5360030872/)

but they have gone up in price a lot and I can't find a pair for anywhere near that now.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on December 14, 2009, 03:03:21 pm
Absolutely the best advice I can give you regarding wheels is find a good wheel builder and get some hand-made hoops. The pair I got cost £400 in bits and another 100 spot for labour, give or take. What I got was a bomb-proof pair of wheels that weigh 1300grams for the pair. You won't get a better set of factory made wheels with the same spec for less than a grand.
As regards cheap, light carbon bits like tri-bars, planet X are normally the boys.

I saw Percy's wheels at La Bicicletta a few months back and they are a beautiful set of wheels & at £400 a bit of a bargain! Hand built is the way to go.
http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/ (http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on December 14, 2009, 03:24:43 pm
Which ones? What spec - didn't he say?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on December 14, 2009, 03:29:32 pm
http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/mavic-ksyrium-elite-i252.html (http://www.labicicleta.co.uk/mavic-ksyrium-elite-i252.html)

These are the only ones on the site at £400?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chummer on December 14, 2009, 03:39:08 pm
Cheers for that Percy, but ditto the above enquiries; what wheels/bits did you actually get and from where?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on December 14, 2009, 03:43:52 pm
And thanks for reminding me to buy hand built - my single has hand built wheels and they're fookin bomber. I forgot!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on December 14, 2009, 04:26:20 pm
I got a pair of new wheels on order from them. Mavic reflex tubular rims, Tune hubs, x-ray spokes, handbuilt. So on that note I will shortly be flogging my Ksyrium SL's (shimano free-hub) if anyone is in the market for a nice stiff, light pair of clinchers. Me - I'm going fully old-school with tubs again :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 14, 2009, 04:29:42 pm
In the end I actually got Ambrosio Chrono tubular rims, sapim x-ray spokes and Tune hubs. Alex got me the bits, and then a wheel building wad up in Preston (forgot his name) laced them up to my spec. I love them. They aren't on the La Bicicleta website as they were one off's, but I'm sure Alex will do the same again if you ask him nicely!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on December 14, 2009, 05:22:34 pm
GReat.

Not after tubs though. I take it you sold the K SL's?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 14, 2009, 05:52:42 pm
Yep.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 14, 2009, 05:55:31 pm
You can get some superlight clincher rims for not very much, and you'll have a way bigger choice of holes, etc. Its the hubs that'll cost you.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on December 14, 2009, 07:44:45 pm
Not to put a downer on anything, but here's an idea...  Get all the latest and lightest stuff etc...  But don't use them.  At least not for a few months.

Intentionally make your bike heavy and ride it through the winter / training to get some miles under your belt.  Come pre-season (Feb or March time) you'll be laughing with all the light stuff on the bike...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 14, 2009, 08:36:57 pm
I do! Mudguards, training wheels, lights, etc all ruin a nice lightweight bike, but make you fitter for the one nice day we'll have next July when you can ride your bike in the sun (without a horrific headwind....)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on December 14, 2009, 08:45:50 pm
Nah save it for beating your (and others) Frogatt hill times...  Also on a day when it's sunny and no winds  ;)

Which reminds me I really must do it one of the few times I'm in Sheffield...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 15, 2009, 11:50:15 am
preston is a good location for getting wheels built.
paul hewitt in leyland has some serious good reviews, but i think percy was on bout someone else? i cant think of a name, but he wrote a book on building wheels and is often considered "the expert".
ill try and remember his name...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 15, 2009, 11:54:11 am
roger musson?   :shrug:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 15, 2009, 12:46:01 pm
I think it was Paul Hewitt who built mine - the name rings a bell!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 15, 2009, 10:19:36 pm
well ill give a shout for how good Paul's shop is, maybe the best collection of bike pr0n in the UK??
also that fella Gethen Butler (google to find out his waddage status) works there, always nice to chat with him about his latest adventure (you wanna try running training with the guy - suicide).

i got my Kuota there, very happy with it/them. his wheels are supposed to be the bomb - maybe ill save up to get some too!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigphil on December 15, 2009, 10:55:40 pm
I'm looking for suggestions and advice on partaking in the Cycle to Work scheme that has just started.  I'm keen to replace my aged Claud Butler with something more fitting and shiney for my commute from Walkley to West Street but would like to canvas thoughts on:

a) whether its worth it
b) what I should get
c) thoughts on this http://www.evanscycles.com/products/trek/district-2010-single-speed-hybrid-bike-ec016811?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=froogle&utm_campaign=froogle (http://www.evanscycles.com/products/trek/district-2010-single-speed-hybrid-bike-ec016811?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=froogle&utm_campaign=froogle) (sorry, rubbish at links) and...
d) are there alternatives? 

I guess what I'm after is a robust bike that isn't as delicate as my road bike for commuting but which has 700c wheels and which is light weight, fast and most of all looks pretty good.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on December 16, 2009, 01:00:41 pm
(http://www.evanscycles.com/product_image/image/2a2/568/4d5/33363/product_page/trek-district-2009-hybrid-bike.jpg)

oh that's just purty as a picture and i think they do orange tassles to match
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigphil on December 16, 2009, 10:31:08 pm
(http://www.evanscycles.com/product_image/image/2a2/568/4d5/33363/product_page/trek-district-2009-hybrid-bike.jpg)

oh that's just purty as a picture and i think they do orange tassles to match

That's why I asked. I'm liking the belt drive, the light weight, leather grips and saddle but not the OTT colour scheme. Twat, is what would jump out at me if I saw someone riding down the road on it.  What I'd like to know is are there alternatives that can be bought as a complete bike on C2W? Otherwise I might just be that twat riding down the road.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on December 17, 2009, 08:34:30 am
I'm not sure about the technicalities of where you can buy a bike from on C2W.
If I wanted a flat bar town bike I'd look at a cannondale bad boy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on December 17, 2009, 09:51:07 am
the soho, at least it doesn't shout "steal me!"

(http://www.allterraincycles.co.uk/uploads/images/large/118082.jpg)

they're both pretty expensive for expendible commuters
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on December 17, 2009, 09:53:52 am
(http://www.chargebikes.com/products/bikes/images/big/Plug_Grinder.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 17, 2009, 02:31:47 pm
what is wrong with you people.  :shrug:

CANNONDALE BAD BOY!!!

(http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.evanscycles.com/product_image/image/535/0af/dd8/23151/product_page/cannondale-bad-boy-single-2008-hybrid-bike.jpg&usg=AFQjCNE88eFzDx51SOItQsh6JF6vvbH6ag)

charge bikes are good, but i feel they have become confused in their direction and have produced a series of badly thought out. the mixer is good, but all these fashionable "track" bikes....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on December 17, 2009, 02:37:43 pm
the cannondale has a sinister fork though, bleurgh

this is excellent for £350 (http://www.londonfgss.com/thread34803.html), size large
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 17, 2009, 05:27:44 pm
fuck, i remember seeing that pompy on lfgss a while back and wanting it. please someone buy it!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Scraggadoo on December 18, 2009, 02:46:23 pm
Giordana Jacket (http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-track-bike/Giordana-TBlend-Silverline-Windtex-Jacket/GIORZJAC300)

Bought a windproof jacket for those colder days - I'm not a fan of those boil in the bags and wanted a softshell.  Got this earlier this week and managed to get out there this morning.  Boy was it cold when I set off!  Went into the Lakes (Coniston) so it would have been a little cold there too, at least 0 - 1 degrees.  No snow here though  :P but had to get off twice because of ice...

Anyway was toasty in this jacket (and 1x base layer only) and its a good fit too.  Might be buying some more giordana stuff methinks...  Italian, does the job, whats not to like?  :bounce: :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on December 28, 2009, 06:52:09 pm
Percy - how are your wheels holding up?  What tyres have you got on them?  I am still intrigued by the idea of using tubs as training wheels.  I seem to have some imaginary puncture nightmare aversion to the whole thing.

I quite fancy buying some fancy wheels in the new year (those Tune Olympic Gold ones on the la bicicleta website look nice) and clinchers (for all their practicality) don't really do it for me.

I read this - http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/bike-reviews/lew-carbon-rims-on-tune-hubs/3594.html (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/bike-reviews/lew-carbon-rims-on-tune-hubs/3594.html) - a while back, although I can't find anyone selling the Lew rims.  I just want a really fast set of wheels for the odd time trial and some sportives and stuff...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 29, 2009, 11:00:54 am
The new wheels are still as true as the day got them, and are beautiful to ride on. At the moment I've got Tufo S3 Lite tubs on ( http://www.planet-x-warehouse.co.uk/acatalog/info_TBTUS3BK.html (http://www.planet-x-warehouse.co.uk/acatalog/info_TBTUS3BK.html) ) and these have been excellent. Nice and light, no punctures in a lot of miles (I'm on my second set and still haven't had a puncture, he says frantically touching wood and rubbing the lucky rabbits foot!)! The Tufos or Conti's have been very good - I've not gone for anything more exotic yet, but the summer might be the time to treat the bike to some new boots....

I used to use tubs on a pair of carbon wheels for time trials, etc. and train on clinchers, but I basically like riding tubs too much so now I have two sets of wheels which run tubs - the hand-builts ones for pretty much every sort of riding I can think of, and the carbon ones for time trials, etc.

The Lew rims on Tune hubs look amazing - way better than a pair of Zipps but for the same money. Looks like the dude in the article bought his rims direct from Lew in the States, so you might want to check the exchange rate and buy direct from their website. 950 grams for a pair of wheels sounds like they should be pretty quick - some good reveiws of Lew stuff here - http://www.rouesartisanales.over-blog.com/ (http://www.rouesartisanales.over-blog.com/)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on December 29, 2009, 05:09:43 pm
Ah ha...  What's the deal with the puncture stuff for them?  It sounds a bit messy... Do you carry a tube with you?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 29, 2009, 09:26:21 pm
Apparently no mess - I haven't ever used one (fondles four-leaf clover, crosses fingers, etc.) but you just pop the valve core out using a little spanner (I have a 1p coin with the correct sized slot cut in it!) squirt in the sealant, put the valve core back in, spin the wheel and pump it back up. On long rides and/or in the winter I do carry a spare tub - strapped on under the saddle with an old toe-strap.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on December 30, 2009, 12:21:37 pm
Interesting...

On another note (or quite a few notes probably), I think I've decided on Cervelo over Wilier.  I did the math, and reckon I can get an S2 for around the same price as the special deal Wilier Imperiale.  If I pick the components sensibly.  If and when it's all finished I will have to stick some pics up.

Has anyone entered any events for 2010 yet?

I'm down for the Dragon Ride in June, plus the MucOff enduro in April.  Want to do some more MTB enduros, a bit of XC and maybe a Euro sportive of some sort.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on January 04, 2010, 03:24:58 pm
Fred Whitton entry form now available online, and the entry procedure has changed this year so its a lot fairer.

I've not entered anything for 2010 yet, but I need to in order to motivate my arse off the sofa. Might look at that Dragon Ride Yossarian.

Something in July would be good too, and maybe the Legbreaker.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on January 05, 2010, 11:28:58 am
Interesting...

On another note (or quite a few notes probably), I think I've decided on Cervelo over Wilier.  I did the math, and reckon I can get an S2 for around the same price as the special deal Wilier Imperiale.  If I pick the components sensibly.  If and when it's all finished I will have to stick some pics up.


The only problems with a flash bike but especially cervelo's is that you have to ride flat out at all times. I'd have a Wilier for no logical reason - mind that Pinarello that Team Sky are due to be riding looks good!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on January 06, 2010, 09:57:20 pm
Just put my money down for the Cheshire Cat. Unfortunately I've got other commitments for the Fred Whitton and Etape du Dales but I'm looking to do at least one of them on a quieter weekend without the crowds.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on January 07, 2010, 11:09:13 am
Good call Yoss, Cervelo>>Wilier.
The Dogmas do look sweet though. (I do know it's all in the mind really at this level  :))
Sadly looks like the 130km and 190km dragon rides are full - looks like fun. Which one you down for?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 07, 2010, 11:12:39 am
The long one.  I have a friend who's training for the Florida Ironman and he hasn't ridden a bike since he was 10, so he thought it might sort him out, and I thought  i'd come along for the ride.

I quite fancied one of the euro sportives (maybe the Marco Pantani one) but I think they need thinking about quite carefully!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on January 13, 2010, 11:19:13 pm
300 more places for the long/medium dragon ride to be released monday 9am - seriously tempted...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 14, 2010, 09:39:41 am
It's supposed to be a fine ride by all accounts... 

I would still love to do the Eroica.  I was reading about the Tour of Flanders sportive too... 

Anyone doing any of the Euro ones this year?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on January 14, 2010, 10:46:30 am
I'm hoping to do the medium distance of the Ariegoise.

My faster OH is signed up for the Quebrantahuesos (which looks amazing), and is considering the Dragon ride and Etape, although this covers some of the same ground as the QBH, the col de Marie Blanque.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on January 18, 2010, 09:16:28 am
I'm in for the long dragon. May be a bit much for me, but you can switch to the 130km en route apparently.

gulp.

Still, reckon I can justify some new wheels out of this...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on January 18, 2010, 11:12:38 am
Fuck me, the extra places they released this morning went in 7 minutes!
Good thing I set an alarm.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 18, 2010, 03:37:29 pm
There were some other sportives I fancied that were booked up before Xmas!

I got knackered doing a not particularly hilly 60 yesterday, so there's a fair way to go yet... Certainly couldn't ride anything more exotic that my old Litespeed at the moment. Unless of course I had, "I might be fat but I'm also fucking loaded" tattooed on my arse / forehead, etc.

I like the sound of new wheels. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on January 18, 2010, 06:01:29 pm
pendle pedal is early this year (june) anyone keen? im going to do it with ian (squeek on here).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on January 18, 2010, 08:14:06 pm
I'm struggling a bit to find sportives that don't clash with work, or that I'm too slow/forgetful to grab a place on! Can't believe the extra places on the Dragon ride went so quick - that was one of the few that I could have fitted in! They are just too bloody popular by half. Might be free for the Pendle one tho - you doing the hundred miler chappers? (160kms just sounds wrong, somehow....)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 18, 2010, 11:17:30 pm
judging by the shite weather, my health [poor] and my life I reckon I'll be downgrading my cat entry to the smallest distance... arse.. though i believe i still get to vomit on the mow cop  :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Norton Sharley on January 19, 2010, 12:56:53 pm
I'm struggling a bit to find sportives that don't clash with work

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :yawn:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on January 20, 2010, 09:55:32 am
pendle: yeah, im going to do the full 100miles. its a great route.

getting my sportive season off to an early start with the coal road challenge on the 28th feb. 67 miles loop from lancaster over dent way, doing it with this bunch of hardcore OLD men who ride bikes so heavy they could be made of scaffold poles but are still fast as fuck.

i keep saying "this year im going to get really fit", i fucking hope so, then the pyrenees trip will be worthwhile!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: squeek on January 20, 2010, 12:34:53 pm
pendle: yeah, im going to do the full 100miles. its a great route.

I think I'll have to stick to the 100km because 100 is a nice round number and my bike computer is in km, nothing to do with lack of fitness, miles and training of course.  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on January 20, 2010, 10:30:42 pm
www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-look-ashima-prototype-hydraulic-road-brake-24694 (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-look-ashima-prototype-hydraulic-road-brake-24694)

about fucking time.

2 rides this winter I've had to get off.. as the descent was going to kill me... one on abeydale road.. not even that steep...

this could well be the answer.. I ride 203mm discs on my MTB.. I want more braking power on the road!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on January 21, 2010, 10:49:30 am
ive got a tech question.
through the winter i ride the standard blue cheap as chips ribble bike with full mud guards, but, for the first time the mud guards have been causing me problems...

the bike is making loads of "rubbing" noise i guess between the tyre and the inside of the guard. (checked and deffo not the brake blocks).

i even stopped out for a ride on sunday to clear the inside of the guards out as they were full o crap, anone had this problem or is it just because of all the shit weather?

what should i do, doesnt look like i have any more clearance room to push them higher above the tyre...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on January 21, 2010, 12:28:11 pm
if your mud guards have not moved or come loose,have you checked their not just covered in dried mud.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on February 06, 2010, 09:51:56 pm
http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/reynolds-rzr-wheels/4870.html (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/reynolds-rzr-wheels/4870.html)

I've finally found my new wheel-set!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 06, 2010, 09:56:12 pm
That explains why the Lew website has stopped working, and I couldn't find anyone selling Lew rims...

They do look awesome.  But are they better than Lightweights?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 06, 2010, 09:57:44 pm
but unless you but them this weekend yr wife will kill you... you have  a wee nipper to consider.. thats about 20% of it's further education...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on February 06, 2010, 10:01:02 pm
but unless you but them this weekend yr wife will kill you... you have  a wee nipper to consider.. thats about 20% of it's further education...

Yeah - my thinks a new boiler will be more in keeping with the Wife's spending plans.

Mind you I also eyed up a R3SL & S2 today at a certain local bike shop/
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 06, 2010, 10:08:23 pm
I hope you weren't eyeing up tlr's S2 in there - its only a matter of time before he caves in I reckon..... ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 06, 2010, 10:31:40 pm
but unless you but them this weekend yr wife will kill you... you have  a wee nipper to consider.. thats about 20% of it's further education...

Yeah - my thinks a new boiler will be more in keeping with the Wife's spending plans.

Mind you I also eyed up a R3SL & S2 today at a certain local bike shop/

MTB a better option when becoming a new father.. more fun with less pain.... and less stress with times / weight etc..
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on February 07, 2010, 11:14:39 am
I hope you weren't eyeing up tlr's S2 in there - its only a matter of time before he caves in I reckon..... ;)

I think that you can probably consider me caved...and its an R3, not an S2.

Just got to decide which groupset to put on it, and discuss the other bits. At least I don't have to buy wheels.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on February 07, 2010, 09:53:54 pm
wow!!!

pics once built please!!

- drool -
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: hairich on February 07, 2010, 10:46:04 pm
you ready to sell yours yet doc and will you please a n e my mtb
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 21, 2010, 12:33:01 pm
It's raining and I have so far avoided going out on the road yet today.  I have been wondering whether ogling lovely bicycles might have some beneficial training effect previously unrecorded by physiologists - the imagination running wild at the prospect of riding said bicycles at great speed causing cellular adaptions, etc, etc. 

anyway, enough bollocks.

(http://s6.mojalbum.com/ghisallo-final-foto_10007766_17379804_zoom_17578481.jpg)

I think this is the nicest bike I've ever seen...

(http://www.englishcycles.com/bikepics/rob/gold1a.jpg)

Or maybe this one?

(http://www.englishcycles.com/bikepics/rob/blue16.jpg)

Another one by the same guy - annoyingly he's based in the States now...

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad165/topmogul2006/colnagored/bmc/S7004157.jpg)

This beauty is on ebay at the moment. Sorely tempted...

(http://www.kenteriksen.com/more_products/cross/fullcross_orange.jpg)

This is fucking tasty too...




Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on February 21, 2010, 01:44:10 pm
litespeed is sweet, but the chains a bit crass really /nitpicking/
the gold english is very crass, and really what was he thinking with that crank? though the curly rear brake cable guide is cute.
I think I like the blue english best of this bunch, needs not to have shimano on it though.
gios is a classic, but just looks ridiculous in that size.
the eriksen is grim. what were you thinking?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on February 21, 2010, 06:41:11 pm
big fan of the litespeed.

i like the ideas of the english, but the seat stays vs the front end of the cycle look very unbalanced.

i think that we should all follow with a post of a photo of their ideal road bike...ill have a quick look for mine...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on February 21, 2010, 06:49:16 pm
im going to start us off...
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/Jonathannk/Pinarello%20Prince%20Neon%2054/IMG_3943.jpg)
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/Jonathannk/Pinarello%20Prince%20Neon%2054/IMG_3949.jpg)
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/Jonathannk/Pinarello%20Prince%20Neon%2054/IMG_3950.jpg)

from here: http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/Jonathannk/ (http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/Jonathannk/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on February 21, 2010, 08:14:34 pm
shitballs i forgot about this one:
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/Jonathannk/Look%20586%20Mondrian/IMG_0186.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on February 21, 2010, 08:53:22 pm
That look is very close to the coolest thing ever  :great:
I think I posted a link to an S3 in olympic colours a while back that is probably the prettiest road bike I've seen, but reckon for my actual riding this would be closer to ideal
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/Jonathannk/Cervelo%20R3SL%20Red%20Zipp/IMG_6486.jpg)
(though I own that saddle and its nasty to sit on, despite looking sweeeet.)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on February 21, 2010, 08:55:08 pm
Oh, and I hate you, tlr. ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on February 21, 2010, 09:40:04 pm
i just wanna know the story behind all those amazing bikes stood against that wall...who does he build them for? some people with serious cash, that pinarello is about 5K, and god knows for that look, i think there were only 100 of them made...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on February 23, 2010, 08:56:26 am
I saw this on weightweenies, and thought it looked really good - don't think it could qualify as a real dream bike though, as the frame only costs about £800 !
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm297/NPendleton/DSC03028.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm297/NPendleton/DSC03031.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 23, 2010, 09:34:13 am
Too heavy for me. How about this one...
(http://weightweenies.starbike.com/images/cristian_frisoni/dynamik04_white_big.jpg)

Not to pretty, but weighs less than 5kgs.... :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on February 23, 2010, 10:02:47 am
It's got downtube shifters... :jaw:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DubDom on February 26, 2010, 10:13:23 am
What are those pedals?????
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 26, 2010, 09:30:43 pm
Aerolites - the worlds lightest pedals of course!

http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=343 (http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=343)

Only £200 as well - bargain..... ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on February 27, 2010, 08:36:33 am
anyone else doing cheshire cat?
I will expect to see you flying past me cos i am seriously light on preparation.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on February 27, 2010, 07:59:35 pm
not doing it this year, kind of wish i was...it was nice riding round with team ukb last year.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on February 28, 2010, 11:11:46 am
I will be. I don't have much in expectations either, I also don't know any of the roads/climbs so any advice as to possible stings in tails would be appreciated
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 01, 2010, 01:56:56 pm
the route is pretty flat with a few lumps. there are the obv climbs of mow cop (which isnt half as bad as its made out to be) and swiss hill (make sure you are sitting down and in gear 1 at the sart of that one, once stopped, no getting back on!).

there are a few other bumps in macc forest. and one other longer climb out of the goyt valley.

be careful on the decent into the goyt valley, very steep if it goes the way i think i remember  it does??

weather last year was stunning, hope it is this year too for you!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on March 02, 2010, 09:20:33 pm
Thanks chappers. Removed thumb from bum and found the profiles online - doesn't look too bad. Anything's got to be easier than fighting to stay upright on the snow and ice this morning.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 03, 2010, 08:27:30 am
no problems, i cant stress enough that decent to the goyt valley (if it goes accross the cat and fiddle and down). i want out on one ride at the end of the summer, and a girl crashed head on into a motorcyclist as she failed to make the corner on the correct side of the road. there is always mud and grit on the road there too.
(she was ok by the way - he was pretty pissed off).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 04, 2010, 01:03:25 pm
I've just cancelled a mtb enduro thing (not really been out at all this year cos of mud and time constraints) so I can do the Rapha Hell of the North.

Anyone else interested? Details are on their site somewhere...

Prize for the most punctures of the day!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on March 05, 2010, 12:02:58 pm
(http://www.qoroz.co.uk/img/overview_race_won.jpg)

Titanium

http://www.qoroz.co.uk/ (http://www.qoroz.co.uk/)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 10, 2010, 05:34:49 pm
Not quite up to these bike pr0n standards, but I'm selling my road bike http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,13846.0.html (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,13846.0.html) if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on March 10, 2010, 09:20:46 pm
So when's the cervelo arrive?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 10, 2010, 10:14:54 pm
Hopefully Friday, Alex has been waiting for some parts.

First ride Saturday :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 12, 2010, 09:43:22 am
i was just about to ask you to sell me your lovely wheels. balls.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 14, 2010, 02:44:33 pm

Well, I've only been talking about it for a year.....Here it is then finally, fresh from an inaugral breezy 100km. Bugger me I'm unfit at the moment.

Stiff at the front end, compliant at the back, and soooo stiff when you stand on the pedals. Weighs 6.7kg, and is far too good a bike for me!

Sram is interesting, very positive downshifts, great brakes, not got used to upshifting just one gear accurately yet.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee345/TLR99/biking/IMG_1002_Medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on March 14, 2010, 06:35:14 pm
That's well nice tir.

I eyed one of last years R3s up in Grassington yesterday.

Is that a compact chain set?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 14, 2010, 08:26:22 pm
looks sweet.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on March 14, 2010, 08:56:58 pm
nice ride tlr and a common sense wheelset!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on March 14, 2010, 09:25:46 pm
yummy!
Agree with soaps - like your style re wheels.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 15, 2010, 08:44:45 pm
well nice! congratulations!

can i ask what the stem and seat post are, look very nice. (tune?).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 16, 2010, 09:36:50 am
Cheers, I’m certainly very pleased with it (still think that my old bike is a bit nicer looking though…).

Wheels are DT1.1 on Tune hubs, so light and reasonably strong too. Factory wheels look flashier, but in my limited experience they can be a bit uncomfortable.

Seatpost is 3T Doric carbon which comes with the R3 frame, stem is a fairly cheap but very light Smica carbon.

Just need to get out and ride it a bit more now.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 16, 2010, 10:16:25 am
Those Tune hubs - how have they been in terms of reliability / servicing hassle?

I was thinking of DT 1.1s with Royce hubs, as I know the latter go on for years and years with no probs, but the Tune ones are lovely...

(The new Chris King road hubs look nice too, but I'm not sure if they're compatible with Campag cassettes...)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on March 16, 2010, 10:37:16 am
I was thinking of buying some royce hubbed wheels around a year ago, through Alex a La Bicletta & he had real problems getting hold of them. Things may have changed & they are awesome hubs - my cousin worked as a courier in London town & he has some which are around 10 years old.

I think the Chris King hubs do work with Campag & are suppose to be good . I've got a Chris King bottom bracket in my commuter and its not broken despite a year of commutes.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on March 16, 2010, 10:51:58 am
yoss, if it's the swift road hubs, rutland are stocking them, give them a ring?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 16, 2010, 11:09:10 am
I had a chat with one of the builders at the shop down in Exeter who did those Tune / Lew wheels.  They showed me a Royce hub wheel, and the fit and smoothness was amazing.  I heard similar stories about unserviced examples going on for thousands of miles.

My Ambrosio / OpenPro combination continue to impress, but it would be nice to leave those with the winter tyres on and have something lighter and faster for sunny days...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 16, 2010, 11:47:39 am
I’ve had those wheels for about 5000km, not done anything to the hubs at all, so can’t comment on serviceability, but durability seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on March 16, 2010, 08:26:08 pm
I have the same Tune hubs on Ambrosio rims and they are brilliant. I had to tighten the bearings in the front wheel after the first five hundred miles or so (just bedding in, as they like to say), which turned out to be dead easy. Just poped the wheel off, removed the skewer, an allen key into either end of the hub and tighten until all the excess play had gone. So easy-peasy for basic servicability. Probably go to somebody who knows if you ever wanted to strip them down completely though....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on March 17, 2010, 06:43:18 am
Nice cervelo, I'd seen it in Alex's but not seen who it was for. Looks understated, but fast out of the blocks.

Which all reminds me that I must sort out my diary for an evening to pick up my new bike from him.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 19, 2010, 09:55:05 am
right then, lay your bets down for milano san remo:

im going Tom Bonen.

i would love boasen hagen to get it but he is too young (they said that about cav last year)  :lol: , and cav is out of shape.

edit: (look how may posts i have done, may leave it at that now).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on March 19, 2010, 12:13:13 pm
right then, lay your bets down for milano san remo:

I'm going for Thor Hushovd
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on March 19, 2010, 02:29:40 pm
Boonen is the obvious choice but I don't think it will play out as a simple sprint. I think (hope), something unexpected will happen like with the Fabien Factor 2008 but either way Hushovd will place.

So basically I've no idea. Good job I'm not a betting man.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 19, 2010, 03:01:30 pm
my deam finish would be a four man break - pozzato, fabio, thor and eddy. but im betting on a sprint and boonen. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on March 22, 2010, 08:06:08 pm
i've just been lent a lapierre xelius 700 to try for a few days.first impressions is that it seems very responsive,i almost feel i've developed bike handling skills overnight.the sram gears take abit of getting used after shimano,i keep nearly bending the brake leavers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 23, 2010, 02:31:27 pm
That looks very nice indeed. Are you thinking of buying one?

I really like the Sram on my bike for down shifts – very quick and precise. Big upshifts are easy, but it is still tricky to get a precise single upshifts. Brakes seems stronger than my old Dura Ace too, but that might just be the new pads.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on March 23, 2010, 08:31:19 pm
no.  rockcity in hull do lapierre mountain bikes and they are thinking of doing road bikes.apparently my tails of epic road rides have impressed them so much they value my opinion.if only they could have seen me today grovelling into a block head wind they might want it back pronto.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on March 24, 2010, 06:50:55 pm
world track champs on 2 in 10
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on March 28, 2010, 04:57:15 pm
the cat was brilliant. Everyone clearly had the sap rising it being spring and all and it bitched along close to 20 mph from the start. Bad idea as the climbs were way sharper than expected. Back onto the plain and everyone took off again. Ouch. The last hour was torrid. My! some people spend a lot of money on bikes.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 28, 2010, 06:47:53 pm
Good effort, it was a bit bloody windy today to be riding that far in my opinion; I only did a few km round the Paek and it felt like very hard work.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on March 29, 2010, 08:42:22 am
the cat was brilliant. Everyone clearly had the sap rising it being spring and all and it bitched along close to 20 mph from the start. Bad idea as the climbs were way sharper than expected. Back onto the plain and everyone took off again. Ouch. The last hour was torrid. My! some people spend a lot of money on bikes.

Wasn't it just! Went too hard in the first quarter but slogged up Mow Cop all the same after a handy pause at the bottom to wait for the level crossing to open. Pacing was better in the middle section though I was out on my own doing battle with the headwind until I caught the wheel of a group as they came back at me after I'd passed them earlier  ::) Worked well with them for the last 35 miles, learnt loads more about group dynamics and about what effort I can sustain.

Saw a lot of bling, including some stunning Cervelo/Zipp combinations. But equally some great examples of it being all about the engine. My group included a six time Ironman who was riding a pink and blue 20 year old mountain bike frame with 18 gears and slicks. He turned as many heads as the bling did :-)

And I finally found a saddle that doesn't leave me crying in the verge  :thumbsup:   Time to get the new bike out and replicate the same effort in training...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on March 29, 2010, 04:37:31 pm
 my favourite was a mercian with a carbon rear tringle. Mmmm. Not sure im into Ti though. There was a hell of a lot of it around.
And ditto. Never been in a big group before. Brilliant fun. Killed all the wind.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on March 31, 2010, 04:01:42 pm
times out. 4.57ish. Very pleased with that as poorly prepared and the hills were well slow. Loads of people must have got carried away in the sunshine and hammered it off and blown. I was slower than loads to the first feed but steadily made up places after that. Big sportives are cool.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on April 02, 2010, 05:45:00 pm
 :o

5:58 on the road here. I obviously need some more practice...



or a new bike.

Oh, what's that in the corner of the living room

 :-[
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on April 03, 2010, 08:55:28 am
have you checked the spreadsheet? They take off your times in the feed stations for you.
My road bike was £370 new. I felt so ashamed. :boohoo:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on April 03, 2010, 10:08:27 am
Yep, that's the time with rest stations subtracted, though I didn't stop for longer than it took to find a water tap and grab a handful of munchies. I was on my winter bike too (but that's not an excuse  ;)). Just looked at the forecast for today and I'm off to grab a bit of dampish tarmac between the showers for the gallium's maiden voyage.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 06, 2010, 11:03:43 am
My road bike was £370 new. I felt so ashamed. :boohoo:

that is the exact opposite of how you should feel. you should be proud that you would have blasted the times of people on titanium and carbon racing machines suitable for le tour...but alas they also carry the belly of someone who doesn't ride enough to warrant owning such a bike.

well done.


(just setting off on a ride now, looks a bit windy out!).
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 09, 2010, 03:55:24 pm
I rode my old Colnago in to work today with the original pedals and clips (with rather spiffing old Colnago shoe) in preparation for tomorrow's Tweed Run.

I don't know whether it's because I'm a retard, but it's pretty tricky to flip the pedal round to get ones foot into the second pedal once moving, and the clip cage drags along the ground otherwise making an awful noise.  The flipping is the crux - any suggestions appreciated what...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on April 09, 2010, 05:06:15 pm
i think this is one of those things that the more you concentrate on doing, the shitter you get.you've got to sort of do it without thinking.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 09, 2010, 05:15:39 pm
So a bit like fisting then...?

I think if I had cleats on the shoes it would help. There's not much to flip the little tab on the pedal with.

I will try more of a Jedi approach on the way home. Feel the force flow through me, etc.

Looks like it's going to be an awesome run tomorrow.  I had to win a bloody caption competition to get our tickets - they sold out in a couple of hours when it went on-line apparently.

Tally ho what...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 11, 2010, 09:07:47 am
bets i placed on cycling instead of horses:

cancellara to win roubaix.
boonen to win roubaix.

lets see what happens...

in other news did we all ride yesterday? amazing! and i can recommend the goyt valley (links nicely to the cat and fiddle - long hill for a circuit around buxton). beautiful! and i saw a toad carrying another toad on its back.
85km - 3hrs20, roasting hot sun and loads of climbs. woooo!

off to malham to get my arse kicked...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 25, 2010, 08:21:17 pm
question:
the frogatt hill climb challenge...from the bottom of the road to the pub right? or all the way to the top (road junction)?
what is a respectable time?

cheers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 25, 2010, 08:38:11 pm
Give way lines at the junction at the bottom to the give way lines at the junction at the top.  It does ease after the pub, but stop your clock when you hit the top. The target time for those who can 'do a bit' is sub 15 mins, but anything sub 18 mins is reasonable really in my opinion.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on April 25, 2010, 09:38:36 pm
bets i placed on cycling instead of horses:

cancellara to win roubaix.
boonen to win roubaix.

lets see what happens...

in other news did we all ride yesterday? amazing! and i can recommend the goyt valley (links nicely to the cat and fiddle - long hill for a circuit around buxton). beautiful! and i saw a toad carrying another toad on its back.
85km - 3hrs20, roasting hot sun and loads of climbs. woooo!

off to malham to get my arse kicked...

Can you do a clever multimap type thingy? In fact can anyone work out how we can have a nice road bike rides thread. Like with actual directions.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 25, 2010, 10:17:30 pm
Give way lines at the junction at the bottom to the give way lines at the junction at the top.  It does ease after the pub, but stop your clock when you hit the top. The target time for those who can 'do a bit' is sub 15 mins, but anything sub 18 mins is reasonable really in my opinion.

First ride up the challenge this year this morning - 16min 45. Pretty pleased as I've not really ridden much for a few months.

There were plenty of people out on posh bikes today. The pick included a Spesh Tarmac SL4 with lightweight wheelset and a cervelo R3-sl.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 25, 2010, 11:16:19 pm
Can you do a clever multimap type thingy? In fact can anyone work out how we can have a nice road bike rides thread. Like with actual directions.

This site is quite good for route planning, etc.... http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/ (http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/)
And very handy if you have one of those fancy garmin computers...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 26, 2010, 08:33:54 am
thanks,
i did 12:30 to the pub thinking that was it, then pushed on for the top when i thought "surely they dont stop before the top" in 17:09.

ill have a propper go at at soon to go sub 17 (should be easy i think as didnt really try hard this time).

ill try and draw a bike toaster route for the goyt valley...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on April 26, 2010, 09:07:00 am
Traditionally (in my case) the Froggatt hill is done at the end of a ride of at least 50 miles in order to maximise the pain, and to ensure that a sub 15 minute time is almost impossible. For me a sub 15 minute time is only possible if I ride up there completely fresh nowadays!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 26, 2010, 01:54:50 pm
yeah, id done 40 miles, just down to hathersage, and over the gliding club to tideswell from there. i guess ill have to do it now starting in manchester....the pain!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on April 26, 2010, 06:25:58 pm
cheers chappers, id envisaged getting to the cat via styal, wilsmlow, alderly edge. Good low teaffic way out of the city. Goyt back?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on April 26, 2010, 07:58:03 pm
Did a nice 25mile route yesterday afternoon through the sunshine and showers. Finished up Froggett (intentionally not timing it), got to the top, biking along Stony Ridge Road in the sun with a double rainbow in front of me and Blind Lemon 'No Rain' comes on the iPod.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: nik at work on April 26, 2010, 08:02:56 pm
Isn't it Blind Melon?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on April 26, 2010, 09:15:56 pm
Isn't it Blind Melon?
It might be.  :-[  Melon, Lemon, either way it still cheered me up no end.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 27, 2010, 09:31:45 am
cheers chappers, id envisaged getting to the cat via styal, wilsmlow, alderly edge. Good low teaffic way out of the city. Goyt back?

in brief:
 ride out through cheadle and cheadle hulme, out to adlington (on the road that goes past adlington hall), up and over that hill to Pot Shrigley. From there, take the "brickworks" a climb up through the old rickworks industrial estate (nicer than it sounds), then drop down to kettleshulme (turn right there onto side end lane).

Up the road underneath windgather rocks to the top. turn right down into the Goyt. from there you can ride up to the cat and fiddle, and either to macc and home or over to buxton and back over long hill etc...

if you want, ill ride out there with you just give me a shout - always keen to go on a bike ride, even after work would be fine now!

manchester wheelers ride on bank holiday monday....come along!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on April 27, 2010, 05:50:50 pm
im away this bank holiday. Seaside. Ill try and do a wheelers sunday ride sometime in may.
Velodrome taster booked for 8th may though. :bounce:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 28, 2010, 01:30:18 pm
cheers chappers, id envisaged getting to the cat via styal, wilsmlow, alderly edge. Good low teaffic way out of the city. Goyt back?

in brief:
 ride out through cheadle and cheadle hulme, out to adlington (on the road that goes past adlington hall), up and over that hill to Pot Shrigley. From there, take the "brickworks" a climb up through the old rickworks industrial estate (nicer than it sounds), then drop down to kettleshulme (turn right there onto side end lane).

Up the road underneath windgather rocks to the top. turn LEFTdown into the Goyt. from there you can ride up to the cat and fiddle, and either to macc and home or over to buxton and back over long hill etc... i wrote right before!

if you want, ill ride out there with you just give me a shout - always keen to go on a bike ride, even after work would be fine now!

manchester wheelers ride on bank holiday monday....come along!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 01, 2010, 08:37:23 pm
It is finished...... This morning I finished building my new bike - I'll post a picture if I can ever be arsed to work out how to do it, but for those in the know here's the spec.

Look 586 frame and forks, full Dura Ace except for a Rotor Agilis chainset, hand built wheels (Ambrosio Chrono rims on Tune hubs). It looks fairly innocuous (mostly black) but it is so light and so quick it doesn't need to look flash. Now I just need to get fit enough to justify such a beautiful bike.......this is the really tricky bit!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on May 01, 2010, 10:06:23 pm
Oh lord, that is an awesome build. Please work out how to post a pic, sure slackers'll sort any questions.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 02, 2010, 12:42:50 pm
Sounds lovely - you can join me on my mid life crisis bike for potters round the Peak at suitably genteel pace.

Not sure that a 586 is ever going to look innocuous though....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 02, 2010, 02:55:47 pm
(http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad26/percybish/IMG00107-20100502-1411.jpg)

You might be right.... May be we should start a 'The results of my mid-life crisis' thread?!
Anyway, back to the bike...its all done apart from the fact that I haven't cut the steering tube down yet 'cos I'm waiting for the cap to come from Look. I have had a quick spin on it though, and it is an amazing ride  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 02, 2010, 03:36:05 pm
Those cranks look nice.  I've got a set of "proper" Rotor cranks - i.e. the one that cam back and forth to avoid the dead spot - they're nice to ride but really heavy... Those look cool, and a nicely engineered alternative to silly money carbon ones.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 02, 2010, 08:01:32 pm
mother of god. good effort percy. that looks like it will shift. i love the wheels.
loads of nice bike on here now!

well done. enjoy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigphil on May 02, 2010, 08:11:40 pm
Liking that red detail on the chainset and hubs.  Great looking bike Percy and I bet its awesome to ride.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on May 02, 2010, 08:38:32 pm
 8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 04, 2010, 09:38:19 pm
So, a quick update... Been out for a couple of quick jollies - have done 100kms over the last 2 days and all was going swimmingly until I snapped my chain coming home today! Admittedly I was at the top of Twentywell Lane where it hits 15%, and I was trying quite hard, but it still came as quite a shock! Careful with those brand new Dura Ace chains, children... Luckily no harm done to me or the bike, although the walk home was uncomfortable to say the least.

I would add that it is by far the most amazing bike I have ever ridden, and worth every penny and hour spent in the garage getting stressed about hacking carbon tubes down with a saw. It must be good if I managed to get so enthused that I broke the chain on it 8)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 04, 2010, 10:01:38 pm
Wipperman Chain is what you need Percy.

Nice bike BTW - one to add to my shortlist for my next stead.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on May 05, 2010, 09:22:03 am
I was shocked at how bad the Dura Ace chain was when I put one on my bike last year and snapped it twice in 3 months.

I haven't snapped a chain on or off road for about 10 years before that. Back to SRAM for me.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on May 05, 2010, 03:33:06 pm
looks a lovely bike percy, just one query: when are you going to replace those tufos with proper tyres?!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 05, 2010, 09:20:53 pm
Well, the Tufo's are better than the Conti tubs I had on before IMO for general use. Still not punctured one and I'm on my second set (touching wood...)

However, I take your point that some really nice tubs made by a Gauloise smoking artisan from Brittany would also be nice.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on May 07, 2010, 08:42:35 am
That is a fabulous bike, especially how the hubs match the middle of the chainset.

A couple of weeks ago a friend rocked up on his 586 to do a local cyclosportive. I put his bike in the garage and I was really impressed with the finish of the frame - the carbon weave peeking out, and with the shape of the tubes; the slight angularity of the top tube that increases as it approaches the headtube looks great. Especially from above, which is how the rider sees it!

I was also shocked at how light it was. He had his Zipp 303 race wheels on, and when I picked it up I honestly had to check that they hadn't fallen off...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on May 07, 2010, 10:31:06 am
well, what do i know about tyres anyway. last week i had a very slim wolber 18 record go on me on the track when riding in a vintage pursuit. result - dislocated left hip :( - the pain supernova of having it popped back in was exquisite. suffice to say that pretty much all physical activity (apart from pull-ups, but what's the point..) is off limits with the exception of tentative physiotherapy. now i have to have a check up or two for avascular necrosis. a crumbling femoral head wasn't what i was looking forward to just yet.

of the commonly available tubs for training, veloflex crit is a good tyre as is the vittoria corsa evo cx 320, they both roll beautifully and have extra material for a little puncture resistance. dugast and fmb offer very nice silks for competition. dugast stocked by pbk. i've heard about challenge and zipp tangente but have no experience
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 07, 2010, 10:45:18 am
Ben Ingham (of Rapha photography fame) is making a film about Dario Pegoretti.  Brief clip here - http://www.nowness.com/day/2010/5/5/601/frame-of-mind (http://www.nowness.com/day/2010/5/5/601/frame-of-mind)

Going to feature at the Rapha Cycle Club / pop-up shop which is on in Clerkenwell over the next few weeks.

(Nice bike Percy)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on May 09, 2010, 04:50:42 am
Wiggo wins the maglia rosa - gets rather exited...
(http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2010/giro-d-italia/photos/stage-01/85-PIC109018209.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on May 09, 2010, 08:43:36 pm
I snapped my chain coming home today!

I abandoned my mountain bike once due to a snapped chain and had the long walk home, always carry a chain tool nowdays.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 09, 2010, 10:42:45 pm
Must have been the day for mechanicals!

I managed to shear the rear mech from the hanger on my wilier.

Not really inspected the damage but luckily I was going slowly and it did not fly into the rear spokes.

Managed to cobble the chain into a dodgy single speed to get home - which was thankfully mainly downhill from owler bar.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 09, 2010, 11:07:05 pm
Nevermind mechanical problems - today's Giro stage was all about crashing! If you've ever pondered the following questions I can now enlighten you.

1) What do roadies wear under their shorts?

2) When you shave your legs, do you stop where your shorts start, or do you do the job lot?

















(http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/g/giro_2010_st_2_CRASH-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 17, 2010, 01:14:24 pm
(http://www.steephill.tv/2010/tour-of-california/photos/stage-01/320-Cavendish%20Wins%20Stage%201.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fultonius on May 17, 2010, 01:32:14 pm
Turbo Trainer Knowledge?

Righty-ho you bunch of smooth legged roady freaks, tell me, what turbo trainer should I get?  :wave:

What I'm looking for is something not too expensive that has a good range of varying resistance, fairly quiet and not horifically expensive. I need the resistance to be able to go very light as I'm using this to rehab my PCL/PFL ligaments and to start with it'll just be spinning with no resistnace.

I might sell it when I'm finished rehabbing, so I don't mind spending a bit more to get something that will be easier to sell.

Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on May 18, 2010, 10:38:41 am
I have a Gist Fluid Turbo Trainer that I think rides really nicely and was much cheaper than most fluid turbos at £120 but they don't seem to be available anymore.

However, it is the only trainer that I have owned, but it is certainly much smoother than the short goes that I have had on the more basic resistance style trainers.

The resistance range is also more than enough. Lowest resistance is basically none and I can't ride highest resistance in anything like top gear.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 18, 2010, 12:55:31 pm
tacx sirrus.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Fultonius on May 18, 2010, 06:28:25 pm
 :thumbsup: Looks like good options!

If the recent ebay madness continues (I got silly money for some stuff recently) I'd probably get nearly RRP for it...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on May 20, 2010, 02:37:52 pm
londis - whistle blower, revenge mad - or both??

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=213765&postcount=474 (http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=213765&postcount=474)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/20/floyd-landis-doping-tour (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/20/floyd-landis-doping-tour)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on May 20, 2010, 05:52:50 pm
Dynamite.

If he actually has anything to back up even one of his accusations then it's huge. I actually feel sorry for the guy, his email reeks of stress and despair (unless it's delusion)

Nice to see the expected responses already:
WADA: "Hmm, that's interesting."
Andy Rihs: "Lies, lies, lies"
Pat McQuaid: "Bluster,bluster,bluster"
Vaughters: "Let's live in the present"

Any bets on whether Armstrong comes out with a straight denial, legal action, or just ignores it??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 20, 2010, 07:36:44 pm
Holy fucking shit.

So, not only have I wasted 100s of hours watching this drug fuelled shite... ( I knew that already..)

but there is an individual who will stand up and be counted.

 - you go positive... go get a life ban -

only way for me to bother following the sport from now on..

respect to Landis.. even if one revelation is true... that's it. the sport is mired..

pull all the TV for one year.. that'll sort it.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 20, 2010, 08:45:14 pm
I'm really not bothered by the new Landis revelations.....

A) Its all bullshit from a generation of cyclists that have had their day and are due for retirement if they haven't already done so

B) Landis is bitter, mental and ginger

and C) Its all ancient history.

On a more positive note, check this website out. Has a nice blog about roadie stuff regularly updated, and they are a nice bunch of people to ride with...

http://www.lasquadra.co.uk/ (http://www.lasquadra.co.uk/)

Recommended if your a S Yorks based roadie who doesn't want the hassle of joining a 'proper club', but fancies getting a good beasting by likeminded folk....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on May 21, 2010, 09:22:58 am
Are the younger generation of riders any different?

I kind of know or think that the whole elite are on drugs - and are still brilliant athletes.

I just think its kind of intriguing the scale of the denial - have things changed? has drug use declined? does it just continue to evolve in sophistication?

I read robert millar's biography, the author interviewed a tour doctor - his ethic were basically that the riding these guys do takes so much out of you that the administration of hormones etc was justified medical treatment.

i  always think why is altitude training any different to epo? why are vitamin shots ok, but not hormones?

Would they be better allowing anything / everything - or say allowing epo - up to a certain hemocrit level?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on May 21, 2010, 12:48:38 pm

On a more positive note, check this website out. Has a nice blog about roadie stuff regularly updated, and they are a nice bunch of people to ride with...

http://www.lasquadra.co.uk/ (http://www.lasquadra.co.uk/)

Recommended if your a S Yorks based roadie who doesn't want the hassle of joining a 'proper club', but fancies getting a good beasting by likeminded folk....

I was really tempted until I found the ride description bit that killed it for me: " ... stopped at a cafe ... "

I guess I am always destined to ride on my own or with a small select few.

I don't like starting at 9am.
I don't like stopping along the way.
But I'm not a racer. I'm only after 50 miles in 3-3 1/2 hours.

This doesn't seem to fit in with many other peoples ride styles.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on May 21, 2010, 01:44:49 pm
(http://nyvelocity.com/files/imagecache/toto/toto/tturns184_0.jpg)


The thread on cycling news is amazing. The overiding perception is that everyone was/is doing it and thats just the way things are. Maybe I'm being naive but can it really be/have been like that with all the constant testing? Aren't some people just better athletes and are better prepared than others?

It seems a bit like a 9/11 conspiracy, too many people involved over too long a period of time. Or maybe uci/wada etc are all involved too?

I don't care either way, its just very interesting. Percy summed it up.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on May 21, 2010, 04:49:04 pm
the 'its the way cycling was then, its fine, get over it' statement is coming up again and again on the cycling news thread and it bugs the crap out of me. Its cheating. If it wasn't they would let them do it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 21, 2010, 09:48:49 pm
Agreed. I think the fact that riding the Grand Tours competitively is fundamentally too hard for many/most pro cyclists to be able to survive, and thus the need for pharmacutical support became the norm. Trying to stop the use of drugs in a sport that has evolved and become the spectacle it is thanks to widespread drug-use was never going to be easy, but at least now they are trying.
It really is a nightmare scenario for the race organisers - a bit like saying to the F1 organisers that this year all the drivers will go back to using Ford Ka's because the modern F1 cars are cheating - except that in this case its not about mechincal things like cars or bikes, its about the super-charged riders full of EPO, etc. Suddenly finding that your Tour de France is going to be riden at an average of 25mph instead of last years 35mph, and that many of the riders will have to get off and walk on some of the mountain stages 'cos they aren't allowed a pre-race blod transfusion and a shot of testosterone any more might be a little worrying for some of the sponsors and TV companies. Or am I just a cynical old git...

The precedent has been set by previous generations, and I personally think drug use is the worst sort of cheating. However, going back and fixing the problem was always going to be a long and ugly affair - lets hope they continue to root out the cheats. Lets not forget that almost all the heroes of cycling were probably full of illegal substances - Merckx, Coppi, the whole damn lot of them
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 21, 2010, 11:48:59 pm
Got to agree with Percy - I struggle to get my head round how a human can cycle for 3 weeks at the speeds achieved in the Grand tours without some help. Maybe things are changing as the speeds are slowing down, some of Pantani's 'record' ascents will never be beaten. The thing that baffles me is that some pretty fit friends of mine have got round L'etape - and they all thought the pros are either super-human or on drugs to be able to do it day after day.

On a different note - I seem to have developed Fatdoc's ability at destroying stuff - in the past 2 months my repairs have been:

1) Rear mech of the summer bike - sheared off at the the hanger. Alex at La bicicletta has never seen such a bolt sheared in the same way.
2) Rear Mech of winter bike - totally seized up & not indexable.
3) Left ergo-power lever - lever for moving to big ring sheared off and internal spring knackered - Winter bike.
4) Knackered front mechs on both bikes.
5) 5 punctures in 2 weeks.

Mind you both groupsets are 3 years old - maybe time for a new bike!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on May 22, 2010, 11:39:55 am
its always time for a new bike  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 23, 2010, 10:32:36 am
Speaking of which, went in to la bicicletta yesterday. What a nice chap Alex is. Gave me a very good price on building up an Argon 18 Krypton. Only decision now - veloce, 105 or ultegra. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on May 23, 2010, 03:53:56 pm
di-2
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on May 23, 2010, 10:31:07 pm
Force?

(or Rival - then there's room in your budget for a Gruber Assist...)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 24, 2010, 11:28:09 am
Speaking of which, went in to la bicicletta yesterday. What a nice chap Alex is. Gave me a very good price on building up an Argon 18 Krypton. Only decision now - veloce, 105 or ultegra. Thoughts?

if its 2010 ultegra, get that.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cowboyhat on May 24, 2010, 01:57:11 pm
Speaking of which, went in to la bicicletta yesterday. What a nice chap Alex is. Gave me a very good price on building up an Argon 18 Krypton. Only decision now - veloce, 105 or ultegra. Thoughts?

Is the bathroom finished then?

I'm very happy with Ultegra.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Baron on May 24, 2010, 05:31:28 pm
Priority fail
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 01, 2010, 05:08:24 pm
Bike with engine (doped bike) and Cancellara (Roubaix - Vlaanderen) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE#ws)

So this is how Cancellera manages to ride so fast!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 01, 2010, 09:32:55 pm
fuck.. right.. will this get a 40lb FR rig up a fire road??

if so there is a MASSIVE sales opportunity here.

christ.. I'll have 3!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 01, 2010, 10:16:02 pm
You need 3  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on June 01, 2010, 10:30:09 pm
im not having that it produces enough torque. And the commissaires are so bloody picky, how on earth could that pass them by?
They seem to have ignored the fact that cancellara is massive guns! Riding away from a sprint finish in the tour is no mean feat. I loved the moment in the roubaix this year when one guy went after him tgen had a massive 'well fuck you then' paddy when he couldnt hold the wheel.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 01, 2010, 10:50:46 pm
You need 3  ;)

AM  /  FR & DH bike...

yeah... 3

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on June 04, 2010, 02:09:34 pm
i don't believe for a second that that mechanical doping shit is real. cancellara is a monster. end of. he could drop boonen any day of the week.
how possibly could something that fits inside a 1 inch diameter tube produce as much torque required.

lets just face it, the fact that fabian is pushed out average 629 watts for 3:15 in last years tour of california prologue. he needs no motor.

and...he won me money with his roubaix/flanders wins.
and...i love him a bit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on June 04, 2010, 03:30:27 pm
Anyone tried out one of these beasts?

(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9728/5312.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on June 04, 2010, 05:56:12 pm
it looks from the video like the thing exists, i'm not saying that he has used it. Torque wise it probably would work in that it wouldn't power the bike alone, all it would have to do is give you a power benefit over the extra weight and any  additional friction it caused. after that even a 5 percent advantage would be significant. certainly something the officals should be checking for even if it hasn't be used yet.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on June 04, 2010, 09:07:11 pm
theyd notice it. It'd fuck up the weight and the balance. Those bikes are so light they have to add weight to make them legal. Such a lump in such a place would be noticeable. Electric motors with any kind of power whatsoever are heavy. They need lots of coils.
Id have to have a go on one to believe they work.
The video comments on cancallara sitting down to blast away. Thats good technique on cobbles. traction innit.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chummer on June 13, 2010, 08:10:01 pm
Since fucking my shoulder I've been getting out a lot on me newish road bike and just wanted to tell anyone who will listen (so that rules out nearly everyone I know) that i fuckin love it. I was scared of doing further rides (relatively speaking of course) in case I didn't have the legs to get back but did the Sheffield/ Hathersage circuit for the first time, fuckin loved it, 45mph feels fast eh?  ;D
So with newly gained confidence and realising that you don't have to hammer the fuck out of it every minute of the ride head down on the drops style I did a Caernarfon- Beddgelert-Llanberis Pass circuit and apart from an incredibly sore arse and newly graveled Nant Gwynant climb, fuckin loved that too and I can't wait to get out again once my arse stops hurting.

Well thats it really, I am a convert, it's added another dimension to where I live (N.Wales) and given me something that goes some way towards feeding the rat that climbing can no longer satisfy properly..
I'll go now before I get emotional.


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 17, 2010, 10:38:28 pm
Thought I would do the Longstone Edge Hilly time trial last night for a bit of a laugh - first time trial I've done since 1988! 17.6 miles of pain, followed by the intense feeling of relief when it was all over. If anybody fancies a go on the course, start at the layby you park in to go to Stoney and ride up past the 3 Stags, turn left and go up to Litton, and then drop down into Millers Dale and straight back up the other side past Seans Roof, then turn left through Priestcliffe and then left onto the A6 down into Ashford. Then left again for a drag to the roundabout then left through Hassop back to Calver.

Last nights winner did it it 43 minutes (although it was Dan Craven, who's a pro with Rapha Condor). I managed a lowly 57 minutes by comparison, although the last place managed 1hour 29mins which made me feel a bit better!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on June 18, 2010, 04:37:41 pm
Thats sounds like a fine effort percy, there's some pictures on the website http://peakroadclub.wordpress.com/circuit-of-longstone-edge-tt-2010/]
[url]http://peakroadclub.wordpress.com/circuit-of-longstone-edge-tt-2010/ (http://[url) [/url]about half way down.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on June 18, 2010, 05:55:46 pm
Thought I would do the Longstone Edge Hilly time trial last night for a bit of a laugh - first time trial I've done since 1988! 17.6 miles of pain, followed by the intense feeling of relief when it was all over. If anybody fancies a go on the course, start at the layby you park in to go to Stoney and ride up past the 3 Stags, turn left and go up to Litton, and then drop down into Millers Dale and straight back up the other side past Seans Roof, then turn left through Priestcliffe and then left onto the A6 down into Ashford. Then left again for a drag to the roundabout then left through Hassop back to Calver.


Is this about it ? http://www.mapmyride.com/route/detail/18585652/ (http://www.mapmyride.com/route/detail/18585652/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on June 18, 2010, 06:27:42 pm
(http://peakroadclub.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/percy-bishton-1.jpg?w=497&h=747)
someone else we might recognize:
(http://peakroadclub.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/neil-bentley-1.jpg?w=497&h=747)
think I may have found your 1'29":
(http://peakroadclub.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/dave-britton-1.jpg?w=497&h=747)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 18, 2010, 10:50:18 pm
To sum up...

Thats not my best side, although at least I've wiped the snot off my face.

Bentley has gone to the dark side, and is sporting freshly shaved pins, unlike my hairy offerings.

The big lad made it round, even after walking up some of the hills, which is a brilliant effort in my opinion, cos I weigh about as much as one of his wrists but I still had an average heart rate of 166 for my 57 minutes of effort. :bow:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 18, 2010, 10:53:47 pm
Is this about it ? http://www.mapmyride.com/route/detail/18585652/ (http://www.mapmyride.com/route/detail/18585652/)

Yep, that'll be it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: El Mocho on June 21, 2010, 04:24:12 pm
Is that you behind the 'big lad', head down and trying to get on his tail  ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on June 21, 2010, 08:37:59 pm
I think he'd just dropped me...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigd942 on June 21, 2010, 10:54:13 pm
Looks like no/little deflection in those tyres at all, either on tubs pumped solid or isn't as heavy as he appears, yanks call anyone above 90kg a "clydesdale" which is rather neat I think.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on June 30, 2010, 05:23:09 pm
good news = according to garmin i did froggat hil in 16:30ish  ;D (fresh whilst recceing the bike section of hathersage triathlon) http://connect.garmin.com/player/38318500 (http://connect.garmin.com/player/38318500)

bad news = after weeks of being spoiled with wall to wall sunshine the weather is looking cak for the 100 mile sportive on sunday (wind AND rain  :'(  )
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on July 01, 2010, 09:59:47 pm
Anyone heading down to cliffhanger at the weekend? This sounds like fun
http://cliff-hanger.co.uk/whatson/133/cycling-rollapaluza-free (http://cliff-hanger.co.uk/whatson/133/cycling-rollapaluza-free)
Is there another Cliffhanger 2010 thread? Couldn't see it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on July 03, 2010, 06:12:03 pm
Posted a 24.2 on the roller race, which I was quite pleased with, sub 25 are 'good times'. Third best of the event so far (the best being 23. something)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: erm, sam on July 03, 2010, 11:02:11 pm
Quote
whilst recceing the bike section of hathersage triathlon
What! Thats almost cheating!
Makes me me feel even more nervous about the fact I haven't been near a swimming pool in a year, have a gimp leg that hurts after 3km and havn't cycled more than 15km in a day since last summer. Ho hum.
I had said that a sprint triathlon is good because " you can do one with basic fitness and no actual training", so I guess I will be testing that idea...
What swim time did you put down on the form?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Bowie on July 06, 2010, 07:19:36 pm
I've just gone and got myself a fixie... Just got a little place in London and all the cool folks in east London appear to have lovely simple fixies/single speeds so I'd thought I'd join the gang. Went to see Alex at bicicletta (sp) and he worked his magic on me. Bought a 'fixie Inc. Peacemaker' it's got this fancy carbonride or somesuch fabric thing instead of a chain. Superstealth riding. Man it's flat down here.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 06, 2010, 08:17:09 pm
I've just gone and got myself a fixie... Just got a little place in London and all the cool folks in east London appear to have lovely simple fixies/single speeds so I'd thought I'd join the gang. Went to see Alex at bicicletta (sp) and he worked his magic on me. Bought a 'fixie Inc. Peacemaker' it's got this fancy carbonride or somesuch fabric thing instead of a chain. Superstealth riding. Man it's flat down here.

I saw that fixie inc with the belt-drive a couple of months back - very nice indeed, beware of having it pinched down there. Nice bikes last no time in the city.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on July 06, 2010, 08:48:49 pm

What swim time did you put down on the form?

had a total guess at 12 minutes (no idea - can't swim crawl can swim quite good breaststroke)

might be a moot point as i've got grim tonsillitis - so have to see if i get over it  :'(
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: erm, sam on July 06, 2010, 09:38:21 pm
Hope you do. Lots of lucasade, that'll do the trick.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 13, 2010, 01:23:47 pm
I went to a screening of the Ben Ingham / Rapha film about Dario Pegoretti last week. Called D'acciaio (Of Steel), it was totally amazing, hilarious, beautifully filmed, etc, etc... Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on July 13, 2010, 01:55:50 pm
I've just gone and got myself a fixie...

I saw that fixie inc with the belt-drive a couple of months back - very nice indeed, beware of having it pinched down there. Nice bikes last no time in the city.

Was gonna say the same, hope you've got a couple of good locks for it, the tea leafs don't seem to be shy about taking whichever bits they can get off!

This is my London ride, frame off gumtree and bits from friends or bought new (Facebook pic)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs041.ash2/35388_403779891996_591071996_4911958_4474109_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 14, 2010, 06:44:07 pm
from what i can tell its not worth riding anything bar a brompton that you can stash under your desk down there in london, they seem to nick any old shit and sell it at brick lane market.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on July 14, 2010, 10:35:39 pm
Anyone off down Ladbrooks for a wager on Cav (currently 5/1) winning tomorrows stage? Green jersey competition is hotting up nicely...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on September 26, 2010, 09:21:25 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7pjlm8dgv1qbxnpgo1_500.jpg)

Been a while since anybody posted on here, and then I remembered seeing this picture. Should it be here, or on the muscular deformities thread? Dunno, but I reckon the German track sprint team has been doing a bit of training....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 29, 2010, 08:38:34 pm
holy shit!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on September 29, 2010, 09:39:11 pm
 That's me, you and Chappers isn't it Percy? I never said they could print that picture of us....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 02, 2010, 12:18:34 pm
Gibb told me an amusing tale from this years 3 Peaks cyclocross torture, and as somebody has written it up so well on their blog, I thought I'd share. There are also pictures elsewhere on the web, but I don't think we need to see these....

http://rouleurmagazine.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/northern-exposure/ (http://rouleurmagazine.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/northern-exposure/)

 :lol:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on October 13, 2010, 10:05:10 pm
thought you boys might like this. My mate Tom on the monsal hill climb at the weekend...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47853324@N08/5068521499/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47853324@N08/5068521499/#)

(no idea how to imbed a flickr pic)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: gingerninja on October 14, 2010, 06:06:53 pm
i was at the monsal head hill climb and got a few shots
check them out here http://www.dr-photography.co.uk/latest-work/ (http://www.dr-photography.co.uk/latest-work/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: LucyB on October 14, 2010, 06:39:01 pm
 :lol:

Love the grumpy face! 'Daddy promised me a fun day out. He brought me to watch men gurning while they rode up a hill.'

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 14, 2010, 08:47:54 pm
She bloody loved it.

Well, for the first 2 bikes.......then the novelty did wear off a bit.

Anyway, just cos your a moderator doesn't mean you can come round here making snide comments. Is nowhere sacred? And you don't even shave your legs.....

 :-*
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: gingerninja on October 14, 2010, 11:25:19 pm
haha ill get a copy to you guys if you want it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 15, 2010, 10:15:36 am
That'd be cool if you don't mind, Dom.....! :great:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: gingerninja on October 15, 2010, 03:32:33 pm
no worries mate. ill drop it in to the works next time i go.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 11, 2010, 09:19:23 am
If anyone fancies a challenge, I designed a tick sheet to help record the 100 Hours of Turbo that I can some others seem to fancy the idea of this winter.

You can download it via my blog here - www.saltedmackerel.cc (http://www.saltedmackerel.cc)

And Brian at www.thewashingmachinepost.net (http://www.thewashingmachinepost.net) decided to feature it today too.

(Now, has anyone got any DVD recommendations?)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 11, 2010, 11:52:02 am
Only just caught up with this thread and the Monsal Climb pics. Some great shots there.
I must admit looking at them it reinforces my opinion that it isn't really fun to enter.
Has anyone ever been tempted ? Percy ?
Bentley (great shot of him BTW) was suggesting I give it a go next year - even volunteered to ride out with me and show me where it started.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 11, 2010, 10:01:40 pm
Tempted, yes...kind of. Maybe next year.....
There's a vid somewhere of this years event, with footage of Rus Downings winning ride on the most over-geared fixie I've ever seen. The pain in his face as he barely kept the gear turning is brilliant. I shall go and seek it out.

Remember, kids..... Fixies. Don't do it. Well, not in the Peak at any rate - it hurts too much.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 13, 2010, 09:11:11 pm
Yoss,
i notice from your blog that you are starting the process of obtaining a hand built English...please keep us informed, esp build photos. only the other day i sent a link to his website to a friend telling of these amazing compact frames.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on November 14, 2010, 08:45:39 am
Those English frames look amazing - the one with internal cable routing that the guy from weightweenies had built looks like nothing else I've seen. Rob English's solution to making an adjustable integrated seatpost was very clever indeed, and the extra cowling behind the headtube to hide the cabling - it all shows a level of ingenuity and attention to detail that's almost worrying.

The weightweenies thread (http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=76055) shows a great sequence of build pics:

(http://i36.tinypic.com/21mrfbr.jpg)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/1051no5.jpg)

and finishes up like this:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/smwpsj.jpg)

... and 6.04 kg for a steel framed bike? Not bad. Bet it rides well too.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 14, 2010, 01:08:25 pm
Will do.  I've tried to avoid planning too much of it in my head - we haven't discussed tubing yet, but I definitely want the integrated seat post, internal gear cable and rear brake cable routing.

Dunno about components yet either - I'm pretty happy for Rob to suggest things, like the Extralight stem on those bikes on my blog.  Maybe a bit of Tune too. I'll get some sensible wheels (Royce / DT) and if there is enough left in the budget (which I haven't set yet) maybe some Edge rim x Extralight hub clinchers.

Also bought a lovely Brian Rourke lo pro the other day which I'm going to use as a fixed gear TT bike next season.  Trying to get my hands on a Corima 4 spoke wheel that can be run fixed - don't really want to put a singlespeed converter on my trusty Rolfs.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 14, 2010, 09:37:40 pm
i personally like the look/sound of his hand built wheels. basically it looks to me like anything that he does looks really great! well done!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 15, 2010, 12:11:37 pm
Exactly!  I'm pretty much happy to go along with what he recommends.  I was thinking of deviating away from Campag (for budgetary reasons) - possibly to SRAM, but I think now that I'll stick with what I know. Maybe a mixture of Record and Chorus.  The chainset and brakes might involve deviation too.  I like the idea of the EDGE stuff - Rob seems to know and trust that, and I have no particular preference for anything else.

Just finishing off a thing about the lo pro for the blog now... (I got the 4 spoke too!)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on November 15, 2010, 10:07:39 pm
Project Lo-Pro looks good Yos. Nice frame. Now all you need is a nice 90" gear on it for the flat and a massive pair of thighs and you'll be good to go. No longer have a Miche Primato chainset you could have had (complete with 50 tooth ring) - soz!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 16, 2010, 09:40:16 am
Oh, I dunno - why not make it a cool 100"?!

I reckon a Miche Primato (in black) would be just the thing.  When I get the frame back I will start my search for components in earnest.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 16, 2010, 01:28:31 pm
Yoss.
SRAM red. most of his frams seem to finished with it, they all look amazing (never ridden it myself, but since it seems to be cyclocross groupset of choice it must be able to deal with some abuse).

i will be starting my 100hrs of turbo soon...just got to shake off a virus first - ruined my sunday race, had to drop out!!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 16, 2010, 04:46:43 pm
i was doing some calculations in my oxygen-starved brain last night while watching the 10 hour tour 2000 box set - to finish the 100 hours before BST is something around 5 hours a week.

it's quite a challenge!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on November 16, 2010, 07:39:36 pm

when you said 100 hours of turbo i thought you meant non stop not over a winter. :thumbsdown:come on man up.
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 16, 2010, 09:49:16 pm
A shot of lignocaine to the ringpiece and I'm there...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 18, 2010, 05:11:14 pm
(http://www.madfiber.com/images/roadwheels.jpg)

If the English ends up black then I might have to go for a pair of these bad boys...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on November 18, 2010, 06:40:24 pm
I can't decide if those are lovely or horrible.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on November 18, 2010, 08:53:02 pm
nice...with no stickers on. 'kin horrible with stickers!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 19, 2010, 10:08:38 am
The Corima 4 spoke that I've bought for Project Lo-Pro should be rolling up today...  Corima stickers aren't very nice, and I think they've been removed.  Just a small Wolber sticker.

I don't actually mind the Madfiber graphics, but they wouldn't look right on the English.  I'm either going to go for the gold paint job, or black with black graphics. If it's the latter then black stickerless Madfibers would be cool. 

I think I'm going to have to quit work and train full time before this bike arrives - otherwise I'm going to look like an utter arsehole...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on November 19, 2010, 09:27:57 pm
..and you think training's going to change that..?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on November 20, 2010, 12:56:00 pm
I think it will have an ameliorating effect...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 21, 2010, 09:35:43 pm
See where your local council comes.
http://www.fillthathole.org.uk/league-table


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 02, 2010, 08:36:04 am
commuting on the cross bike. loved it. deep snow on the fallowfield loop. 22miles of great fun every day this week!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47853324@N08/5224266796/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47853324@N08/5224266796/#)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on December 02, 2010, 10:02:16 am
Does your cross bike go through 2 foot powder?

I've thought of getting one for the commute - but I can't ride into work this year, something I need to rectify when looking for a job next year.

I'm dragging out the turbo much to my displeasure but I need to do some exercise having not ridden for 4 months or so.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on December 02, 2010, 01:09:31 pm
powder snow is no problem, was blasting through it yesterday on the way home. way over my feet whilst on the bike so that must be about 2ft?? good times. cross bikes are amazing, but the canti brakes suck, big time, i think i will upgrade to the new avid mini v's on this bike.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 03, 2010, 09:52:55 pm
(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcuo5pL6dm1qbxnpgo1_400.jpg)

Number Two in my occasional series of gnarly pictures of cyclists legs. This time, Sean Kelly gunning for the line.  :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on December 04, 2010, 09:49:25 am
(http://www.bigringriding.com/photo/1280/1019149901/1/tumblr_l7t3p48pD81qbxnpg)

I think this is the podium photo...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on December 08, 2010, 10:14:47 am
(http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/storage/magni01.jpg)
A belated happy 90th birthday to Fiorenzo Magni (http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2009/3/28/fiorenzo-magni-third-man-but-not-least.html), the "third man" of post-war Italian cycling. He raced against Coppi and Bartoli, and still managed to win the Giro, Tour of Flanders, Giro del Piemonte and Italian national championships three times each.

I only really know about him because of the 1956 Giro:
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4kqeaNYmi1qbxnpgo1_500.jpg)

He broke his collarbone on stage 12. On stage 13 (Time trial) he held a piece of innertube in his mouth to make up for the weakness in his left arm.

Then he rode all the way to the end, TAKING SECOND PLACE (apparently he tried to attack Gaul, the leader a few times...).

Unsurprisingly he had a successful business career after retiring - I say unsurprisingly because I can only imagine that people working for him would only have taken sickies after losing at least one limb.

Bigringriding describes him as "the king of HTFU" (http://www.bigringriding.com/search/magni).

He's 90 years old and looks like the fucking Godfather:
(http://cdn4.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2010/12/07/1/bettiniphoto_0004257_1_full_600.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on December 09, 2010, 08:51:47 am
cross bikes on saturday on houndkirk - primarily too deep to ride (was expecting compacted 4x4 tracks after reading JH's post - but just deep snow  :-[ )

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1238.snc4/157092_124147874316265_100001631602426_171528_2420186_n.jpg)

rode out through ecclesall woods ok

this about my third cyclocross ride - with 1 being race at myrtle park, and 2 being race in graves park in the snow  :o (for which i put flat pedals on and wore fell running shoes - its gets super technical in the woods!!)

for turbo - i would definitely recommend forking out for a sufferfest download vid - makes an hour fly by.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on December 10, 2010, 10:25:28 am
(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcuo5pL6dm1qbxnpgo1_400.jpg)

Number Two in my occasional series of gnarly pictures of cyclists legs. This time, Sean Kelly gunning for the line.  :o


From this, I hope you are following http://www.bigringriding.com/ (http://www.bigringriding.com/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 10, 2010, 11:10:16 pm
Yep - BRR is always a good laugh. Also velominati.com is amusing.

Yos - you're photo of Sean Kelly's legs (taken during a skinny phase) beats mine, and then I found this bulked up one.....

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2562/4111840423_bafd1c8d2f.jpg)

Makes you feel sory for the bike....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on December 10, 2010, 11:30:28 pm
*Steriod legs*
 :wank:

and before I get in bother again... i"m NOT calling anyone a wanker.. it's just TOSS that these blokes get away with it...

Ok?
 :shrug:

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on December 13, 2010, 09:14:42 am
Ok.

(http://img7.yfrog.com/img7/2010/4ctl.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 17, 2010, 04:45:57 pm
.......and I'll raise you Nelson Vails....

(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldkrl8lM591qbxnpgo1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on December 17, 2010, 05:13:53 pm
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/SYJj9rmfdhI/AAAAAAAAF_M/8xdPaWTsQ6U/s1600/03DSC_0145Popovych.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/Szmbvyeo8cI/AAAAAAAAHns/yL1BEd6xySg/s1600/3297781716_5d5ecfde64_o.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/SYJkd9giTWI/AAAAAAAAGAc/IwMOqzXYfQ4/s1600/Blood%2Bpipes..jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/SYJl0rUk_PI/AAAAAAAAGFU/Vb_NL-8OT2c/s1600/pollack.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/SYJlgj2iyuI/AAAAAAAAGEc/Yi8QTA7a6Kg/s1600/n659336288_443031_3449.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/Ss5-sbjhNDI/AAAAAAAAHV4/RsX1G3_1nuw/s1600/mike%2Bfriedman.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/SYJlpBaMltI/AAAAAAAAGFE/eZppQ2COiFg/s1600/n1668270022_3225_7457.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/SYJlV9vMcJI/AAAAAAAAGDk/VhbZJbCi324/s1600/n515338740_1238395_5463.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/SYJkspaaCvI/AAAAAAAAGBk/aO9qB-Y7UPU/s1600/ivan%27s-legs.jpg)

And I'm spent...

We should organise a group UKB road ride next year.  I could do with some Peak hill action pre Marmotte.  Maybe late May / early June? A hilly century?






Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: SteveM on December 17, 2010, 05:56:48 pm
I'd be up for getting dropped

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on December 22, 2010, 09:24:16 pm
An early Christmas pressie for roadies.

A Sunday In Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4IDCkcnnHg&feature=related#)

A Sunday in Hell.

Enjoy
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on January 14, 2011, 01:33:04 pm
Did a bit of roller racing last night...
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/STrollaBW.jpg)
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/flandrian.jpg)
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/pain2.jpg)
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/raceBW.jpg)
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/pain.jpg)

Nothing lit by headtorch, and more here - www.saltedmackerel.cc (http://www.saltedmackerel.cc)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: nai on January 26, 2011, 01:20:25 pm
Not sure if this is the place for this bit of fun:

http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?s=ed195ecd3573958053e6c6dfee8d2076&showtopic=53007 (http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?s=ed195ecd3573958053e6c6dfee8d2076&showtopic=53007)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Snoops on January 27, 2011, 09:32:56 am
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-to-receive-one-year-ban-for-clenbuterol-positive (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-to-receive-one-year-ban-for-clenbuterol-positive)

Ties in with blowing Cancellara away in the time trial in 2009.
Everytime I get back into the TDF, this happens and makes me question it all. Sucks
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 20, 2011, 09:32:28 pm
Velodrome crashes can leave you with splinters. Check out this 1 foot long beauty collected in the track world cup at Manchester velodrome the other day. Through the shin and out the calf..... :o

Safe for work (if you work in a butchers shop/kebab house...) but not for the very squeamish.

NSFW  :
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/a/Azizulhasni_Awang_mens_keirin_splinter_Manchester_track_world_cup_2011.jpg
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on February 21, 2011, 09:24:51 pm
<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/20169195" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/20169195">UCI World Cup 2011 - Awang's Splinter Update</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/britishcycling">British Cycling</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on February 22, 2011, 02:08:42 pm
What that video doesn't show is this:

Quote from: cyclingnews.com
Despite the crash and the subsequent injury, Awang got back to his feet and finished the race in third place, unaware of the injury to his leg.

(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgypkhUDUV1qbxnpgo1_500.jpg)

 :o
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 24, 2011, 03:04:39 pm
Those English frames look amazing...

and finishes up like this:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/smwpsj.jpg)

The construction date for my English draws ever closer!  Rob's working on the frame design and spec at the moment, whilst I umm and ahh over the component choice.  Trying to keep it vaguely sensible whilst still pimp and weight weenie.

Rob's going to build a pair of trick training wheels - Kinlin rims on Alchemy hubs, CX Ray spokes laced 24/28, KCNC skewers.  Maybe a KCNC cassette.

Going SRAM Red I think, but with Lightning cranks (minus the graphics), TA rings (52/36), KCNC bolts and a KMC chain.  Probably Ciamillo Neg G brakes (the tuned version) and Nokon cables. 

Enve forks, bars and stem. King headset.

All very exciting!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on February 24, 2011, 05:48:01 pm
fuck yeah! i could not imagine a better bike to own.

colour?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on February 24, 2011, 07:19:21 pm
ver nice, but: kcnc cassette = fail, noisy and quick to break
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 24, 2011, 11:07:55 pm
Interesting - Rob reckons Red is the way to go.  I was also tempted by the posh bike ti cassette, with ti-nitride coating. But that's all starting to get silly price wise...

On a more important note - are you two chaps intending to enter the Tweed Run...?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 24, 2011, 11:11:09 pm
Oh, colour-wise - I was quite keen on the gold he used on his V2 superlight, but apparently that's a nightmare.  Also liked the idea of candy apple red.  But now thinking matt black or charcoal grey, with gold ano (brakes, cables, chainring bolts, chain) and black carbon Enve forks, bars and stem...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on February 24, 2011, 11:51:47 pm
How does the thing ride ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 24, 2011, 11:57:04 pm
It should be moderately more stable than my current bike - I sit quite far back, so a slightly uneven weight distribution normally.  Nice thing with a custom frame is things like being able to lengthen the chainstays 5 - 10mm.

Hoping it ends up a bit stiffer too, but aren't we all...?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on February 25, 2011, 12:00:53 am
Well it's stiffness vs comfort really it ? ;)
Are you quite stretched then ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on February 25, 2011, 10:31:08 am
Well, I'm hoping that the wonders of steel will ensure that the two aren't mutually exclusive.  I think if the downtube / BB / chainstay connection is superstiff then power transfer (particularly high force / low cadence) feels instantaneous and really efficient, but by using the super skinny seatstays and an integrated seatpost the ride when sitting down is quite comfortable.

I'm not massively stretched.  I think it's because I have long femurs (amongst other things) that the position works.  Tip of saddle is 115mm back from the BB centre.  I had a bike fit (by Adrian Timmis) earlier this year as I wanted to get everything right - my old position was not very good at all, but I could never figure out what was wrong.  Which was saddle too high and too far forward.  I need a decent amount of seatpost offset on a standard frame and the saddle is still slammed back.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: soapy on February 25, 2011, 04:12:23 pm
On a more important note - are you two chaps intending to enter the Tweed Run...?

umm, don't think so; however possibly going to playgroup
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 27, 2011, 07:58:31 pm
Just joined the darkside!  ;D

(http://www.cycleshow.co.uk/ExhibitorLibrary/82/ribblegranfondo_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 01, 2011, 02:33:16 pm
check out the pleasures of road riding in south america


http://www.pinkbike.com/news/critical-mass-brasil-2011.html (http://www.pinkbike.com/news/critical-mass-brasil-2011.html)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: stevej on March 09, 2011, 06:50:57 pm
Just tried joining the leg shaving brigade by finally buying a winter training bike (a fairly new Ribble 7005 audax w/ 105 groupset + mavic cosmos).

Naturally I ignored everything everyone told me and got one on ebay from a guy that must have measured the circumference of his head or something because the 54cm frame I needed and bought turns out to be 58cm and as a shortarse, just standing over it makes me feel dizzy.

He's refusing to take it back and I don't fancy losing 10% + paypal + ballache on ebay so I've got a little problem. I either flog on ebay and hope for the best, try and flog on bike forums or I buy a new frame, get my hands mucky and sell the old one. What does the collective wisdom of UKB suggest?

Ta in advance, Steve
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mikester on March 10, 2011, 06:29:29 am
Just joined the darkside!  ;D

The Dark Side? As in a road bike, or as in a Ribble bike or a sportive bike  ;D
Just kidding, supposed to be great rides, enjoy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 10, 2011, 03:24:53 pm
Just about to sign off the gemoetry and dimensions for my English. Very exciting...

BB drop is now 75mm and with 420mm chainstays it should be stable and fast in all those Alpine hairpins that I have on my doorstep.  Er...?

Rob's gonna order the components now too, so when he gets cracking with the frame it should all go together quite fast.

Can't wait!
 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 10, 2011, 08:35:50 pm
Just tried joining the leg shaving brigade by finally buying a winter training bike (a fairly new Ribble 7005 audax w/ 105 groupset + mavic cosmos).

Naturally I ignored everything everyone told me and got one on ebay from a guy that must have measured the circumference of his head or something because the 54cm frame I needed and bought turns out to be 58cm and as a shortarse, just standing over it makes me feel dizzy.

He's refusing to take it back and I don't fancy losing 10% + paypal + ballache on ebay so I've got a little problem. I either flog on ebay and hope for the best, try and flog on bike forums or I buy a new frame, get my hands mucky and sell the old one. What does the collective wisdom of UKB suggest?

Ta in advance, Steve

Fuck that dude, you have been miss-sold on ebay. contact their disputes department. they will sort it out. i found them to be rally helpful when i got sold some fake cane creek bike parts.
dont be forced to settle and loose money.


Yoss - keep posted! some great stuff coming out of the hand built bike show. i think i saw some english bikes there?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on March 10, 2011, 08:57:49 pm
That is going to be a lovely bike Yoss. Any idea of weight (or cost) yet?

Have you ridden SRAM yet? A year later and I'm still not convinced; I love super positive upshift but the downshifts are still a bit hit and miss. But maybe you are more coordinated than me....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 10, 2011, 09:44:35 pm
Not quite sure what the weight will be.  I think maybe 6500g?

Red, Lightning cranks, tuned Negative G brakes, Enve bars, stem, fork, integrated (Nokon) cables.

Kinlin rims / Alchemy hubs.

Prob going to get some carbon clinchers on Tune hubs from Strada for best.

Re SRAM - not tried it. Well, apart from being a total convert on MTB. Was originally planning Campag, but Super Record is so expensive, and Red just seems (relatively) amazing value.

Hopefully will have some pics before too long...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 10, 2011, 09:46:13 pm
Re cost - put down $1000 deposit so far...

Probably another $3500?

Much less than an R5CA anyway...

And should last a lot longer.  Especially if I end up crashing in any summer crits.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on March 10, 2011, 10:02:11 pm
Isn't there a new SRAM groupset - Black? or is it just red in a new coour??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 10, 2011, 10:03:28 pm
What they've released is just a new colour. I think they have some new stuff planned though...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on March 10, 2011, 10:11:01 pm
I've heard of a few people taking SRAM groups off their road bikes and going back to Shimano / campag . Having never ridden it I can't really comment though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on March 10, 2011, 11:59:37 pm
Not quite sure what the weight will be.  I think maybe 6500g?

Red, Lightning cranks, tuned Negative G brakes, Enve bars, stem, fork, integrated (Nokon) cables.

Kinlin rims / Alchemy hubs.

Prob going to get some carbon clinchers on Tune hubs from Strada for best.

Re SRAM - not tried it. Well, apart from being a total convert on MTB. Was originally planning Campag, but Super Record is so expensive, and Red just seems (relatively) amazing value.

Hopefully will have some pics before too long...

just had a look at this list.....

christ mate.. the recession has passed you by...

one amazing machine there!

beautiful, in every way.

lush!!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 11, 2011, 09:40:25 am
Well, i should've really spent the money on getting my outbuilding re-roofed.

But you can't ride a roof...

Actually, with the light wheels (or even carbon tubs) it should be under 6kg I think.  There's an Engligh with less fancy gear (Rival, etc) on weightweenies that's 6050g.

Thing is, I was originally looking at Pegoretti / Moots / Indy Fab / etc and any of those would come out more expensive than this.   The Moots would've been about 6 grand I think. 

The whole experience so far has been awesome, and the custom geometry and size tweaking has been a major plus.  Also, Rob has raced with most of the gear that's going on the bike and I'm happy to be the recipient of all that experience.

I know a guy going through all the same stuff with Baum, and they seem to be really great to deal with too...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 11, 2011, 09:46:15 am
Just got the details re the tubing through - The plan is to use a custom butted/ovalised seattube, custom butted headtube, True Temper S3 downtube, toptube and chainstays, and my usual slender wishbone seatstays...

And the Lightning cranks will be minus the silly graphics, and with black TA Syrius chainrings - compact spider - 52/36
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Adam Lincoln on March 11, 2011, 07:03:17 pm
Anyone got any thoughts on me using my carbon frame bike on a turbo trainer? I can't believe the roads are not just going to damage it as much  as a turbo sesh...?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 11, 2011, 07:24:02 pm
I think you'll be fine!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Adam Lincoln on March 11, 2011, 07:57:49 pm
I think you'll be fine!

Reading about other forums seems its a common issue... No one really has a definite answer.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mikester on March 11, 2011, 08:29:43 pm
I think you'll be fine!

Reading about other forums seems its a common issue... No one really has a definite answer.

No problem Adam. The Mrs and I have had our carbon TT bikes on the turbos over the last few winters. As long as you keep on top of the sweat-related maintenance, all's well. People get a bit precious about their bikes, but they're designed for hammering.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 17, 2011, 02:20:28 pm
mine is set up on the turbo all winter. but i wrap it up in plastic bags and then have a towel to catch the sweat and a towel over the bars.

it could get expensive relacing cables all the time.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 17, 2011, 03:23:33 pm
Yeah, I guess I use a ti bike on my turbo - the only thing I've noticed suffering is the headset bolt.  I must get around to swapping it for stainless or ti.

Anyway, I've pretty much packed the turbo away for this winter.  Got up to 50 hours a few weeks ago, but was pretty lazy in Feb and don't think i'm going to make the 100 hours.  Would rather ride outside now.  Which is what I'll be doing in a couple of hours.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on March 25, 2011, 08:41:32 am
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/ww/photo.JPG)

and the bike is on the jig...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on March 26, 2011, 10:23:47 am
yes!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 07, 2011, 12:31:33 pm
And a bit more...

(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/english3/english-frame.jpg)
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/english3/english-frame1.jpg)
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/english3/english-frame2.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 07, 2011, 08:52:16 pm
please paint it matte black with shiny black logos!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 07, 2011, 10:44:38 pm
Matt black, shiny black decals, and various gold bits.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on April 08, 2011, 12:49:23 pm
Nice!

The middle photo shows off the ovalised seat tube very nicely. I guess that means that standard side-on photos will make the frame look a bit porky, so please provide appropriate angled and moodily-lit shots as well (as many as you like really, I love this kind of stuff!)

Is it just the photo angles, or are the seat tube bottle bosses unusually low?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 08, 2011, 04:59:36 pm
The ovalising is really cool.  The top tube is also ovalised at the seatpost end (I think)...

Rob always sites the bottle cage bosses as low as poss.  Like these ones:

(http://www.englishcycles.com/bikepics/kuan/kuan1.jpg)
(http://www.englishcycles.com/bikepics/rob/goldtina.jpg)

I'm sure there's a theory to it, as he never seems to do anything that doesn't have a performance advantage.  I expect it's either a centre of gravity thing, or because on the smaller compact frames it's hard to get a 750mm bottle out without hitting the top tube...

(I love that gold one so much...)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 08, 2011, 05:06:53 pm
considering that any racing I do is likely to not be particularly hilly (based on the fact that I will be unlikely to drop below 80kg!) I'm thinking of getting fairly deep section race wheels - maybe 58mm front and 88mm back from Strada.

Gilbert's 80mm Cosmics look pretty cool...

http://www.bikeradar.com/gallery/article/pro-bike-philippe-gilberts-omega-pharma-lotto-canyon-aeroad-cf-28966?img=1&pn=pro-bike-philippe-gilberts-omega-pharma-lotto-canyon-aeroad-cf&mlc=news%2Farticle#
 (http://www.bikeradar.com/gallery/article/pro-bike-philippe-gilberts-omega-pharma-lotto-canyon-aeroad-cf-28966?img=1&pn=pro-bike-philippe-gilberts-omega-pharma-lotto-canyon-aeroad-cf&mlc=news%2Farticle#)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 15, 2011, 10:26:01 am
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/english4/simont1.jpg)

Pretty much finished!

The saddle and brakes are not the correct ones (I have a carbon-railed Arione waiting here, and the Ciamillo brakes haven't arrived yet) but it's looking good...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on April 15, 2011, 11:35:12 am

Silver deraillieurs, not the black anodised ones (http://www.bikerumor.com/2011/02/21/sram-red-all-black/)?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 15, 2011, 11:43:27 am
Ha! I don't think they were available when Rob ordered all the kit. 

When I last looked, (yesterday) the SRAM Red Black RD was £299, vs £199 for the standard Red.

I'd rather spend £2.50 on a black marker pen...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 15, 2011, 01:54:49 pm
And what we all really need to know - is the final build price??
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 15, 2011, 02:02:00 pm
Just under 4k as far as I can work out...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 15, 2011, 02:04:59 pm
I was expecting somewhere near £6-8K - so that sounds alright to me.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 15, 2011, 02:15:12 pm
If I'd used SRAM Force, less fancy brakes and chainset (not that Lightning is crazy money) and maybe something other than Enve at the front it would've been really reasonable.

As it is, I don't think it's bad at all.

I might end up spending around a grand on some wheels.  Just can't decide.  Whatever I go for, it won't be something crazy like Madfiber or Lightweight.  Just a decent carbon rim on Alchemy or Tune hubs I expect.

I was nearly swayed by carbon clinchers, but the wheels that Rob has built are under 1500g (with a deep, tough rim) and I don't really see the point of spending loads to shave 50g.  Plus carbon clinchers seem to be problematic in a number of ways, esp the question of what happens when you have a high speed puncture on a hill.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 15, 2011, 02:16:50 pm
Lovely. I hope you enjoy it.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on April 15, 2011, 02:30:16 pm
Looks amazing, I guess the question is, do you feel you're in good enough shape to be seen on such a fine machine?   ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 15, 2011, 02:59:40 pm
It's still in Oregon, so I have a couple more weeks to beast myself...

I'm actually feeling pretty strong at the moment, though I need to try to focus on bastard long hilly rides rather than shorter faster ones if I'm going to get around the Marmotte without collapsing.

Had planned to do some local races over the next couple of months, but am still a bit heavy for the hillier ones.  The Lewes crits it might have to be - they do have a reputation for being like cage fighting on bikes though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 15, 2011, 03:36:13 pm
Ah yes - thanks for reminding me Ben - Tweed Run pics and tale here - http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/2011/04/tweed-run-2011-chapter-one/ (http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/2011/04/tweed-run-2011-chapter-one/)

(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/tweedrun/paternosterdursley.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 16, 2011, 09:42:32 pm
Few more pics...

(http://www.englishcycles.com/bikepics/simont/simont8.jpg)
(http://www.englishcycles.com/bikepics/simont/simont9.jpg)
(http://www.englishcycles.com/bikepics/simont/simont10.jpg)
(http://www.englishcycles.com/bikepics/simont/simont4.jpg)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on April 18, 2011, 09:58:44 am
Err its missing some pedals!  :tease:

I dread to think how much its cost.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on April 18, 2011, 01:32:47 pm
Lovely.

What are the wheels?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 18, 2011, 10:29:43 pm
The wheels are Alchemy hubs, Kinlin XR300 rims, and Sapim CX-Ray spokes.  1498g and should be really tough.  24 / 28 spoking as far as I can remember...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on April 19, 2011, 11:28:00 am
well done.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on April 19, 2011, 03:45:45 pm
nitpicking/
that chain really doesn't match the other bling - would be better plain I reckon
/nitpicking

Otherwise she is properly stunning, 4K ish sounds like a bargain!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: bigphil on April 19, 2011, 11:01:24 pm
 :clap2: Stunning
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 20, 2011, 09:08:52 am
nitpicking/
that chain really doesn't match the other bling - would be better plain I reckon
/nitpicking

Otherwise she is properly stunning, 4K ish sounds like a bargain!

I semi agree.  The derailleurs would've been better black too.  I think it'll evolve a little over the next couple of years!

I was thinking about a KCNC alu / ti cassette, as they're pretty good value and the gold would also match in well, but a mate used one recently and lost a tooth after the second ride.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 20, 2011, 11:44:52 am
I like light stuff as much (if not slightly more) than the next man, but I’ve always thought that it wasn’t really worth messing with shifters, cassettes or mechs. Stuff from Shimano, Sram and Campag just works so well, and there is nothing more frustrating on a ride than a bike that doesn’t change gear properly.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 20, 2011, 03:16:42 pm
The Red cassette is a thing of beauty anyway...

Will probably stick little gold KCNC jockey wheels in though...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 21, 2011, 09:33:57 am
Tesco Rutland-Melton CiCLE Classic 2011 (http://vimeo.com/22579610)

Lovely video of the CiCLE Classic...

(I seem incapable of embedding it though)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on April 21, 2011, 10:04:15 am
Cool video.

I did the 100 mile Sportive connected to that event on the Saturday, somehow managed to get the 5th fastest time! We didn't have to ride the dirt sections though. Definitely recommended as an event.

It was a beautiful weekend for riding.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 14, 2011, 07:59:05 am
ive got some cyclocross bling on the way.

A friend of mine is starting up his own little wheel building company (huge experience building) and i am getting one of the first pairs.

Hope pro 3 to Ambrosio nemesis.
Challenge Fango mud tubs.

July and august are set aside for massive volumes of training.
I move to Toronto on September 1st and hope my training regime will pay dividends in the Ontario CX league.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on May 15, 2011, 10:01:22 pm
Don't they have a different kind of mud over there? Good luck with the move.

PS wheel pics when you get them please. Yoss seems to have abandoned us and I have to keep clicking on his blog to see cheeky new pics of his English
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/english4/english5.jpg)

Hey Yoss ! You forgot this in your sunglasses piece:
(http://www.angrybikeguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/andy-hampsten-snow-ride.jpg)

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 15, 2011, 11:01:33 pm
Sorry, baby and related activities causing problems with my attendance!

Picked up the bike from FedEx yesterday, and put it together in then afternoon.

First proper ride today.

Amazing and bizarre experience - kind of like your favourite armchair, but with a major injection of amphetamines.

Supposed training wheels are lighter and more aero than my old aero racing tubs.

It's a total stealth fighting machine, but curiously stable thanks to longer wheelbase and low BB.

More to follow...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on May 19, 2011, 04:13:10 pm
Anyone from Sheff seen this ?

http://www.rapha.cc/mobile-cycle-club#north1 (http://www.rapha.cc/mobile-cycle-club#north1)

Basically meet at Nonna's on Eccy Road, ride out (71k route in Peak) behind the Rapha van. After a bit its stops and there's free coffee and cakes.
Ride back in, get free pasta @ Nonna's and watch the end of the Giro stage in the bar.

I'm going to be doing the Saturday morning ride I think if anyone's interested ?


 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 20, 2011, 08:57:57 am
yeah,  those corporate fashion victims contacted my club to do a ride over here in cheshire  :sick:

more to the point...weds 15th june. Peak RC stoney time trial. 17 hilly miles. £7.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: gingerninja on May 20, 2011, 09:42:56 am
im not a roadie but yoss that bike looks pretty sick. loving the stealth black look with the gold chris bling.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 20, 2011, 05:20:55 pm
It does seem to be doing the trick of converting a few people who said they'd never want a road bike!

It's got gold brakes on it now too - they were the thing that was holding it all up.

Amazingly, I managed to win a competition for a weekend doing the Time-Megeve Mont Blanc sportive with GPM10 - so off to the Alps with it in a few weeks time. Then La Marmotte later that month, and hopefully around Lake Como in September.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on May 21, 2011, 08:30:01 pm
yeah,  those corporate fashion victims contacted my club to do a ride over here in cheshire  :sick:

more to the point...weds 15th june. Peak RC stoney time trial. 17 hilly miles. £7.

Typical joie de vivre response from a time triallist  :kiss2:
You wouldn't want to be enjoying yourself on the bike would you ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on May 22, 2011, 07:46:07 am
Amazingly, I managed to win a competition for a weekend doing the Time-Megeve Mont Blanc sportive with GPM10 - so off to the Alps with it in a few weeks time. Then La Marmotte later that month, and hopefully around Lake Como in September.

Wow! That's a nice prize. Just be careful through the tunnels, there were a few nasty crashes last year.

I'd hate to hear of anything happening to your bike you  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 22, 2011, 06:29:02 pm
yeah,  those corporate fashion victims contacted my club to do a ride over here in cheshire  :sick:

more to the point...weds 15th june. Peak RC stoney time trial. 17 hilly miles. £7.

Typical joie de vivre response from a time triallist  :kiss2:
You wouldn't want to be enjoying yourself on the bike would you ?

lets get this straight, this is the first (and only) time trial i have entered. (i do not want to get a name as a tester!!). But it is the furthest thing that you can get from a traditional time trial whilst doing a time trial...that make sense?? no? this is not a flat drag along a duel carrageway - have a look at the route and tell me you dont want in! i think percy did it last year??

I am top of the list of people who are only out for a good time on a bike believe me! cyclocross all the way!!

(Still not a fan of Rapha).  :kiss2:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on May 22, 2011, 06:49:06 pm
cyclocross all the way!!


That would be type 2 fun then?  ;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on May 22, 2011, 08:35:17 pm
yeah,  those corporate fashion victims contacted my club to do a ride over here in cheshire  :sick:

more to the point...weds 15th june. Peak RC stoney time trial. 17 hilly miles. £7.

Typical joie de vivre response from a time triallist  :kiss2:
You wouldn't want to be enjoying yourself on the bike would you ?

lets get this straight, this is the first (and only) time trial i have entered. (i do not want to get a name as a tester!!). But it is the furthest thing that you can get from a traditional time trial whilst doing a time trial...that make sense?? no? this is not a flat drag along a duel carrageway - have a look at the route and tell me you dont want in! i think percy did it last year??

I am top of the list of people who are only out for a good time on a bike believe me! cyclocross all the way!!

(Still not a fan of Rapha).  :kiss2:

Waddage for your empasioned anti testing stance mate  :)
Just needed a bit of reassurance
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on May 22, 2011, 08:58:42 pm
I did do it last year - a revelation! I'm not doing it this year though, as I've been out on my bike less than 5 times since the birth of the second sprog (I'll be back, though)!

So, its not a typical time trial - very lumpy course. Obviously the majority of competitors were hardened testers (miserable bastards  ;)) with their shite £250 cars and their amazing £5000 bikes in the back wrapped in duvets... but it was cool, in an insanely painful way. I turned up totally unprepared, and entered the 'athletes competition' for gimps on normal road bikes without any low-pro adornments, and basically put myself through it like you wouldn't believe for the best part of an hour, whilst a bunch of proper bicyclists shot past me like I was almost stationary (which I almost was)! Defo a two tier event, with the obvious serious competitors (with the odd pro in there to spice it up) and then the lower echelon of punters like me who just want a bit of a challenge.

All that said, if I was anywhere near fit enough for getting around the course in under an hour I'd be back in again this year...!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on May 22, 2011, 09:11:25 pm
If the weather is anything like today then it will be a very unpleasant hour indeed.

This morning was some of the least pleasant 4 hours I've ever spent on a bike. Luckily I had a group to shelter in though. Give me 35 degrees and sunshine any day.

Good luck Chappers. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 22, 2011, 10:34:30 pm

I'd hate to hear of anything happening to your bike you  ;D

Well, I had a crash on the new bike today.

Roundabout.  Old bloke entering from my left, didn't look - drove straight across my path.  I braked very hard, started locking up, started rotating then began to fall over.  I swear I was sure I was going under his wheels.  In that split second I had already accepted that a broken leg or pelvis would be bearable, as long as I could keep my head up and away from danger. 

I think I just clipped the back of his rear door before hitting the ground.  He drove off, and no-one got his number. 

By some absolute fucking miracle I managed to escape with barely a scratch.  The bike is pretty much fine - the bar tape and hood on one side is a little scratched, and the saddle had taken a bit of a wallop, but apart from that it's all ok I think.

I was fucking shaken up though - still managed to get to the end (I was about 95 miles into a 106 mile sportive) but I was not feeling good at all... The guy behind me who stopped to give me his details just in case said that he'd thought I'd had it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on May 22, 2011, 11:00:14 pm
Fucking hell Yoss - hope you (and your bike) are OK
Are you sure he saw you ? - I mean did he deliberately drive off afterwards knowing what he'd done ?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on May 23, 2011, 01:18:49 pm
I think it's more likely that he remained oblivious throughout the whole thing.  There was a big four-wheel drive behind me, so it wasn't as if there was a bike and nothing else he should slow down for.

He just drove straight across - I think he didn't look at all.  The driver behind said he had nearly overtaken me before the roundabout, and he was convinced that guy would've driven into him too. 

I have never ever been as fucking terrified, resigned to serious injury, and experienced such a horrible eyes streaming rage emotional reaction before... Fucking cunt.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on May 24, 2011, 08:26:49 pm
Im really sorry to hear that yoss. gutted.
shit driving pisses me off so much, i saw a motorcyclist narrowly avoid getting killed today. these idiots need to be stopped!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on May 29, 2011, 07:40:12 am
including the tit who thought it was ok to squeeze through between me and the oncoming juggernaut on double white lines yexterday
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on June 02, 2011, 12:01:15 pm
Rapha Continental &ndash; The Movie (http://www.vimeo.com/24290169)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: jfw on June 02, 2011, 02:14:48 pm
Font - but not as we know it....

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=15247 (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=15247)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on June 30, 2011, 02:09:45 pm
Back on topic:

Quote

I shave my legs twice a week. It's hard the first time you do it. But I'm very lazy. For a team photo in December I just did the fronts.


 David Millar (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jun/26/this-much-i-know-david-millar)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on June 30, 2011, 05:05:46 pm
I'm very excited.
I've just been to see Nigel Wilson at JF Wilson cycles http://www.wilsoncycles.co.uk/shop/index.php (http://www.wilsoncycles.co.uk/shop/index.php) about a custom frame build.
I talked through what I wanted and how best to get it and I'm going in next week to be measured up for it.
Plain gun metal grey with just a little postage stamp sized JF wilson kite logo on the top of the head tube, a slightly larger diamond at the bottom of the seat tube with the kite and the words "Handbuilt in Sheffield, South Yorkshire, Great Britain" No other logos, stickers or anything.
Apparently I won't believe how good it will be  ;D
The downside is that it will take 2 months
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on July 01, 2011, 11:33:24 am
anyone after a tacx sirrus soft gel turbo trainer??
who is up for some punishment??

seriously though, im moving to canada, and the weight/cost ratio of this does not work out too well.
great condition, (tiny spot on the cable where the wheel rubbed it once but still works perfectly). £130ish new.

offers...

chris.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 04, 2011, 12:46:31 pm
Rode the Marmotte on Saturday...

Missed gold by an hour or so - didn't have much choice about the speed i was going all day - more a case of survival!

Glandon and the Alpe were bastards. Telegraphe / Galibier were much more enjoyable.

Rode up Ventoux twice last week too - probably not the most effective tapering programme, but an amazing hill.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on July 04, 2011, 01:00:04 pm
Effort.

I've only ridden the climbs individually, not all on the same day, but I found the first time I went up the Glandon, it was total hell. Second time around, when I knew the profile and what to expect it wasn't as bad.

As for L'Alpe. I love it, but it just hurts so much. Especially when it ramps up again briefly going to bend 8.

All these things add up to the fact that I'd never ride the Marmotte. I'm too weak in the head to sign up for guaranteed suffering.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 04, 2011, 03:25:18 pm
I didn't know what to expect from the Glandon, and I wasn't feeling that great mentally either - couldn't stop worrying about all the hills still to come.  Plus there was the usual crazy French / iTalian hordes going berserk from the start (and probably blowing up later), which convinced me I was even slower.  Losing altitude twice was a bit depressing too.  Still - it was quite cool towards the top...

I raced up the Telegraphe - must've overtaken four or five hundred people.  The descent to Vallois was pretty miniscule though - thought there was going to be more time to recover there!

The Galibier went on and on, but I had a load of goodies stuffed in a bag in a van at the top, so was quite happy to push on relatively hard.

Bloody contact lens fell out entering the first big tunnel on the section back to Bourg - same thing had happened on the descent of Ventoux too.  I thought I was going to die - had to put sunglasses back on, so was riding through the bloody tunnel with blurry headlights flying in the other direction.  It felt like I was floating - had no idea how close I was to the RH wall!

Anyway, vaguely fancy it again, but I would plan on being at least 10kg lighter and a good deal more powerful too. Would be nice to go under 8 hours...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on July 05, 2011, 12:58:20 pm
Those tunnels are pretty scarey when you can see properly.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on July 26, 2011, 10:50:22 am
We've just come back from watching the Tour up Alpe d'Huez, had some big rides planned too but we both come down with a cold (well, I had man flu obviously), so only managed to drag myself over the Galibier once and up Alpe d'Huez once.

I loved the hills, riding Alpe d'Huez with 100s of others and 1000s of spectators lining the road was brilliant despite the overdose of Beechams and Lemsip, just so gutted I couldn't do more.

Atmosphere in the town was brilliant all week too; every vaguely flat bit of grass or dirt had a tent or motorhome on it. I reckon the hill was actually full when we arrived a week before the tour.

The Podium
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee345/TLR99/biking/Alpedhuez2011-2098.jpg)

The pain of Alpe d'Huez after 3500km of racing.
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee345/TLR99/biking/Alpedhuez2011-2102.jpg)

Hero Hoogerland looking well heeled.
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee345/TLR99/biking/Alpedhuez2011-2124.jpg)

L'autobus
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee345/TLR99/biking/Alpedhuez2011-2139.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on August 05, 2011, 06:38:30 pm
great photos there, thanks!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on August 10, 2011, 10:03:25 pm
I've just signed up for this charity ride on 16th Oct organised by Claremont Sports Medicine in Sheffield and the Downing brothers. http://csmapc.co.uk (http://csmapc.co.uk)
Might be of interest to sheffield roadies
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on August 12, 2011, 11:08:39 am
(http://www.saltedmackerel.cc/images/english1sml.jpg)

Finally got the Enve 6.7 wheels on it...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tlr on August 12, 2011, 09:11:21 pm
Ok, yep, that's pretty nice.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on August 13, 2011, 08:23:34 pm
Very nice, Yos.

Here's a short bit of footage from a 24hour time trial - for all those who think that testers are mental, here's the proof. Stick it out to the end where they have to lift him off his bike. 541 miles on a lumpy course in 24 hours...... nuts!

East Sussex 24 Andy Wilkinson. 541 miles. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tix9iF3reSE&feature=player_embedded#ws)

And whilst I'm on, we're off to Tenerife for a week at the end of September - anybody care to recommend some good rides - we're on the west coast.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mikester on August 14, 2011, 06:54:21 am
Wilko is a legend - truly a great athlete, and a nice, modest bloke to boot. And he's in his late 40s now! I think his LEJOG record still stands as well.

As for Tenerife...we stayed down south a couple of times where the riding was a bit limited. Nonetheless,  the ride up Teide is the obvious challenge, whether from N or S it's a great climb: sea level to > 2000 m is hard to achieve many places. Some of the minor roads in E of island were lovely too, but didn't explore very much - just up and Teide a lot!

We now go to Lanza a lot - beautiful roads, really varied, spectacular riding and a good cycling scene.

Right off up the the Izoard now...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 16, 2011, 09:48:06 pm
Well Bradley is back.

Good to see La veulta has picked Brits abroad capital to start the race.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cycling/14541419.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cycling/14541419.stm)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Adam Lincoln on September 27, 2011, 08:22:27 pm
Just joined the darkside!  ;D

(http://www.cycleshow.co.uk/ExhibitorLibrary/82/ribblegranfondo_2.jpg)

This is now getting sold as i just don't have the time anymore. When i do go out, its on the mountain bike. Bike is still as new!  :'( Looking for just over a grand before i pop it on ebay, if anyone knows someone after a road bike.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on September 28, 2011, 11:27:28 am
i'd keep it mate.

When it's too muddy for MTB you will keep fit, you will be able to push a way bigger gear / be more stable / go faster on  MTB once you've a few  1000km of road under your belt.

You'll find the time  - just not at the moment. Not worth loosing all that cash on the sale... unless you need that cash obviously.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: heelhookofglory on September 28, 2011, 12:11:54 pm
When it's too muddy for MTB...

Pardon?  :jab:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: chappers on September 28, 2011, 09:02:45 pm
Just joined the darkside!  ;D

(http://www.cycleshow.co.uk/ExhibitorLibrary/82/ribblegranfondo_2.jpg)

This is now getting sold as i just don't have the time anymore. When i do go out, its on the mountain bike. Bike is still as new!  :'( Looking for just over a grand before i pop it on ebay, if anyone knows someone after a road bike.

with cosmic carbone wheels, and a carbon campag group set? you must be losing some money to sell if for a grand, keep it!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Adam Lincoln on September 28, 2011, 09:25:30 pm
Got a cycle ops turbo trainer for sale also if anyone is after one. The classic one.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Mark Lloyd on October 17, 2011, 09:14:23 pm
Managed to haul myself around The Ride of The Falling Leaves yesterday heres a link to the route http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/42672304 (http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/42672304) for all you sheffield based roadies up for a training ride.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: The Aaronator on November 03, 2011, 10:53:56 pm
Apologies if this is a re-post... Mrs Aaronator posted it on my FB page after I spent a little to much time polishing my new road bike. It tickled me...

Performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn29DvMITu4#ws)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on November 11, 2011, 06:20:01 pm
http://p.twimg.com/Ad97gm3CEAEMws2.jpg (http://p.twimg.com/Ad97gm3CEAEMws2.jpg)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on February 06, 2012, 11:33:21 am
Two year ban for Bertie but Armstrong's case dropped

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/06/alberto-contador-ban-tour-cycling (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/06/alberto-contador-ban-tour-cycling)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/03/lance-armstrong-doping-investigation-closed (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/03/lance-armstrong-doping-investigation-closed)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: lukeh on February 06, 2012, 12:41:58 pm
As a newcomer to the sport I find it incredible that the Contador case has only just been 'resolved'..

I mean, in a sport struggling against an image that doping is common this seems pretty weak. To convict someone of doping a year and a half after the incident, and then issue them with just a two year ban seems crazy. He may lose two titles but he has still been able to compete and stay in shape for 3/4 of his ban. By the sound of it he wont even miss all of the grand tours this summer...

Maybe(/hopefully) some who follow the sport more closely'll be able to correct me but this seems to have shown cycling and the anti doping bodies powers in a pretty poor light...

On the bright side, I'm still looking forward to another summer of (watching) quality racing!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on February 06, 2012, 02:15:40 pm
some who follow the sport more closely'll be able to correct me but this seems to have shown cycling and the anti doping bodies powers in a pretty poor light...

Definitely.

Just saw an interview with Eddy Merckx on Eurosport saying that he thought that cycling had just succeeded in making themselves look stupid with this incident. Everybody basically accepted that the amount of substance found in Contador was almost negligable and not able to produce a positive effect on his performance and very few other sports would have done anything about it so you wouldn't even have known that it happened.

The fact that it took so long to resolve, further makes the UCI look stupid, which is thier fault for having such a stupid system.

The UCI doesn't have the power to ban a rider for anything. It is the riders national federation that has to ban the rider. Then if the UCI doesn't agree with the result then they can take it to the CAS for appeal and it is accepted that everybody will accept the final decision of the CAS and go with that. On top of that the UCI claim that they don't have enough money to employ more than 1 or 2 lawyers and so it takes forever for them to process the case.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on February 06, 2012, 03:48:18 pm
From what I read on the cycling weekly site. The UCI don't seem convinced Contador took the stuff intentionally.Which is why they probably back dated the ban.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on February 06, 2012, 07:02:45 pm
What really bugs me is that mini-shrek is now credited with the tour win. All the clueless journalists banging on that he should have won anyway if his chain hadnt come off...happily ignoring the fact that the whole peleton waited six minutes cos he cant stay on a bike. Bloody downhill shy pipecleaner.
And an astounding, and according to the tests clean, giro performance has been discredited.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on April 08, 2012, 02:56:04 pm
Go Boonen!
Title: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cofe on April 08, 2012, 03:23:30 pm
Just watched it on Eurosport. Awesome!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on April 08, 2012, 03:35:59 pm
Really enjoyed that, can't believe 4 sky boys couldn't pull him back. Was convinced it was a tactic to let him dangle at 30 seconds and tire himself out, but he just wore them down.  :strongbench:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on April 10, 2012, 11:56:12 am
That race was epic.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on April 10, 2012, 05:04:08 pm
Very good aaronator. But I think this just trumps it.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=hgCqz3l33kU (http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=hgCqz3l33kU)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: ianv on April 13, 2012, 01:20:01 pm
http://www.bigringriding.com/post/20966776702/boooooooonen-fuck-yeah (http://www.bigringriding.com/post/20966776702/boooooooonen-fuck-yeah)

Pretty god vid from the omega pharma team. I was at the Ahrenberg and Boonen was not ahead at that point.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7063/7056976295_463fde58a2.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37621241@N05/7056976295/)
010 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37621241@N05/7056976295/#) by ianvincent (http://www.flickr.com/people/37621241@N05/), on Flickr

Those cobbles looked brutal, especially for the slower/knackered guys at the back  :'(

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7279/7057064235_2cd46513a6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37621241@N05/7057064235/)
IMG_3197 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37621241@N05/7057064235/#) by ianvincent (http://www.flickr.com/people/37621241@N05/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on April 29, 2012, 11:07:45 pm
can't believe no one has commented on this. Wiggins - what a mutant. today beat Cadel by 01:45  in 16.5km! with a slipped chain!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on April 29, 2012, 11:17:41 pm
I'd missed this completely! beast!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on April 30, 2012, 09:00:24 am
I didn't see Cuddle's TT but he has definitely been taking it relatively easy for the rest of the week, but Wiggo did kill it yesterday, despite his stupid Osymetric chain rings!  Young Talansky gave him a run for his money though, one to watch!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on April 30, 2012, 09:40:11 am
Really impressive to see how he's learnt from the last three years. After crashing out of the Tour last year I remember seeing comments about how he'd wasted lots of opportunities to take other wins, as he'd focused exclusively on the Tour.

This year, even if he breaks some part of his spindly body in the first week, he's already had a good year! Unlike Cadel, and the Schlecks, who have either been ill, unmotivated or unfit.

Mind you, I'm not sure how he can even walk down a cobbled street without these ankles just snapping:
(http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/getty/14/fullj.12ea98487bec2a346782bf39caa1693e/12ea98487bec2a346782bf39caa1693e-getty-510591249.jpg)

Talking of the Schlecks, wasn't Bruyneel threatening to send Fränk to the Giro without Andy some months ago? Now it's announced that Fulsgang has had a "training accident" and will be replaced in the Giro team by... Fränk   :-\
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: underground on May 05, 2012, 01:19:23 am
Tesco Rutland-Melton CiCLE Classic 2011 (http://vimeo.com/22579610)

Lovely video of the CiCLE Classic...

(I seem incapable of embedding it though)
Are they riding 'proper' road bikes? You see my friend might just have become inspired to try one, but he is also thinking of doing the morning commute which a lot of the way of could be done on bridleways... Part of me keeps telling him to do as much of the off road as possible, and the other part says fucking have it, get used to it like those London couriers etc....

So, this friend is torn between a road bike, with 2 chainrings and a 'cross bike with a triple and all the screw holes....
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 06, 2012, 05:19:06 pm
Compact chains and acarbon frame. Don't leave the road, and find a hilly route home.

The imortal words of Webbo om
N here...

Hills are be savoured

Your friend will learn agreat deal from the experience.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: underground on May 06, 2012, 08:51:39 pm
My friends thinks that sounds expensive, and wonders what he should look out for in terms of potential used good buys?

And is that all-carbon, or forks with an alu frame?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 07, 2012, 09:09:01 pm
You could consider a cross bike - there's a few around with disc breaks now.

Or go for the proper roadie experience on a 53/39 & man up.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: underground on May 07, 2012, 09:29:31 pm
Proper roadie experience it's to be. On a Bianchi
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 07, 2012, 09:34:44 pm
Be warned, fatkid has thighs of steel....

When's the breaking in of the virgin ride?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 07, 2012, 09:56:31 pm
At least some Italian heritage there.

My new chris king wheel set arrives this week.

I'm currently thinking of a new road bike. It looks like disc breaks will become the norm once the uci gives in, when they do I'm very tempted with a parlee.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on May 07, 2012, 10:09:59 pm
You damn bastard... Doing occasional roadie  50km training Runs to help me DH. Mtb I've got ever more scared of riding hard on the road...

Now I need to consider a new road bike  wheel set and all, just to  get a 15 yr old technology that actually makes me stop.this has has been a loooong time comin IMO

Arse....

About time, are they any good?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 07, 2012, 10:19:16 pm
Colnago's top end bike - p59 ? Is disced up. I think cannondale have one as well.

Think the only major issue from a stress / metal fatigue  is reworking the front forks.

Oh fatdoc - you have heard about electronic shifting?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on May 07, 2012, 10:25:45 pm
You damn bastard... Doing occasional roadie  50km training Runs to help me DH. Mtb I've got ever more scared of riding hard on the road...

Now I need to consider a new road bike  wheel set and all, just to  get a 15 yr old technology that actually makes me stop.this has has been a loooong time comin IMO

Arse....

About time, are they any good?
I've got a day01 steel framed crosser with alfine hub and discs. It's very good fun despite Norton warning me that they are what Southerners use for mountain biking. I've taken it onto Parkwood springs and Graves Park a couple of times and it's fine both on and off(gently) road. Stopping power is good as you'd expect and I didn't really notice the weight.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on May 08, 2012, 01:41:59 pm
Just bought one of these http://www.orbea.com/gb-en/bicis/modelos/orca-slt/#presentacion (http://www.orbea.com/gb-en/bicis/modelos/orca-slt/#presentacion) .This was with the money I got in compo when I got knocked off.
I went for a compact as I felt age and general decrepitude's was making it harder to get up them hills. I liked the idea of a life time guarantee on the frame, alot of companies only offer a couple of years.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: underground on May 09, 2012, 09:05:34 pm
Well, I did my first 10 miles last night. It was great - kind of a bit harder and a bit easier to pedal at the same time. It was a nice feeling to be sort of 'propelling' myself even in the easier gears rather than the way it seems on a mountain bike, spinning like f**k and crawling along up a hill. I didn't feel like I wanted to stop, nor waste the momentum I could carry even on harder stretches. I found that at 30mph downhill, it felt really fast, and although there was no way I was close to using all of the big gear or close to spinning out, I couldn't really pedal much harder/faster. A road bike is certainly no magic replacement for hard work but I'm going to enjoy putting it in.

Also found that my mini pump wasn't up to the job of 100 psi plus, nor were my cheap Decathlon shorts or DH gloves at cushioning me from the road, and skate shoes / toe straps are shit. And why you don't see roadies in baggy DH shorts or carrying a Camelbak.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on May 09, 2012, 09:26:49 pm
Underground get some proper pedals & shoes. The power transfer is so much better.

I'm near back to full fitness 15 min 25 for froggart hill - just another 1/2 stone to shift.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on May 20, 2012, 04:57:54 pm
giro today was fucking amazing!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on May 20, 2012, 06:25:45 pm
Yes it was. I find the Giro is generally more exciting than Le Tour.

More proper mountain stages and more people prepared to give it some aggression.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mikester on May 20, 2012, 06:38:48 pm
Just bought one of these http://www.orbea.com/gb-en/bicis/modelos/orca-slt/#presentacion (http://www.orbea.com/gb-en/bicis/modelos/orca-slt/#presentacion) .This was with the money I got in compo when I got knocked off.
I went for a compact as I felt age and general decrepitude's was making it harder to get up them hills. I liked the idea of a life time guarantee on the frame, alot of companies only offer a couple of years.

Nice wheels Webbo. I went for a compact too last year because I'm a wuss. Can't say I've really missed 53x11 around here, but confess to using the the 34x25 in the Moors. Oh yeah :strongbench:

First time out on the road bike for months today - the mind was willing but the body resisted for the whole of the paltry two hour ride. Got caught up in the bloody Yorkshire Road Race Champs as well - felt like a right wally as I crested a hill flanked by spectators, photographers, team cars etc.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dutch on May 20, 2012, 10:31:12 pm
Looking for a bit of advice really and figured here might be as good a place as any to ask. Was thinking about getting back into some road cycling having not really done any for the last 6-7 years and was wondering if anyone had got any ideas on a decent bike(£600-700). Have looked at the usuals, specialized, cannondale, bianchi but not sure about others eg. Felt. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on May 21, 2012, 09:39:45 am
At that price range, I'd also look at Boardman, they are said to be good value for money.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: clm on May 21, 2012, 05:38:13 pm
GET BACK TO THE CITY!!  :furious:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on May 21, 2012, 10:18:42 pm
GET BACK TO THE CITY!!  :furious:
;D
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on June 13, 2012, 10:09:00 pm
USADA have charged Lance Armstrong with providing blood samples consistent with EPO use or blood transfusions in 2010 triathlon season.

Will this confirm what we all suspect?
Title: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tomtom on June 13, 2012, 10:23:03 pm
Just read Washington post article (soz no link) which suggests he was part of a large well organised doping ring going back to 1999... Lots just coming out on this and he's been barred from competing in Triathlons (his new game..)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on June 13, 2012, 10:47:27 pm
USADA have charged Lance Armstrong with providing blood samples consistent with EPO use or blood transfusions in 2010 triathlon season.

Will this confirm what we all suspect?

lets just fookin hope its the tip of the iceberg
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on June 13, 2012, 10:53:57 pm
Just read Washington post article (soz no link)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/lance-armstrong-faces-fresh-doping-charges-from-usada/2012/06/13/gJQAefnPaV_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/lance-armstrong-faces-fresh-doping-charges-from-usada/2012/06/13/gJQAefnPaV_story.html)

Banned from triathlon sounds like a reward rather than a punishment  ;)

Quote
In the 15-page charging letter obtained by The Post, USADA made previously unpublicized allegations against Armstrong, alleging it collected blood samples from Armstrong in 2009 and 2010 that were “fully consistent with blood ma­nipu­la­tion including EPO use and/or blood transfusions.” Armstrong has never tested positive.

Not sure I understand this
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tomtom on June 14, 2012, 08:43:23 am
Its interesting as my reading of the article was that he has supplied 'suspicious' but not illegal (etc..) samples. I think he's been banned/nicked as being part of this larger scale doping ring, where they have no fluid evidence, but I think some of the other cyclists involved have given testamony to the effect he was involved.
Thats a crap summary, but I've just got up ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on June 14, 2012, 08:50:53 am
From what I read on Cycling weekly. The evidence USDA are using is the same evidence that State Department? had but they dropped their case against him as I guess they felt it wouldn't stand up in court. Also I read that Hincapie was now denying he had made a statement saying he was a witness to Armstrong doping. 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cofe on June 14, 2012, 10:43:01 am
I haven't had time to check, but wasn't the Justice Dept's inquiry technically a fraud investigation? Can't remember the distinction. I'll try and look it up later when I've a bit more time.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on June 14, 2012, 10:54:21 am
I think the previous investigation was to see if government funds (through USPS) had been used to fund doping, and they didn't find enough evidence of this.  This new one seems to be more about the individuals involved, including the doctors, managers and riders.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: finbarrr on June 15, 2012, 07:06:07 am
http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-wants-to-tell-nation-something-but,17973/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-wants-to-tell-nation-something-but,17973/)

"it's funny because it's true"
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mikester on June 15, 2012, 09:24:44 am
Quite a nice summary of the Lance soap opera:

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8051461/usada-actions-lance-armstrong-start-series-events-strip-tour-de-france-titles (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8051461/usada-actions-lance-armstrong-start-series-events-strip-tour-de-france-titles)

Shame that he (or rather, his controversy) overshadows everything else happening in cycling and triathlon. I notice that the WTC - the greedy, exploitative lot that they are  - dropped him like a hot potato when this new shit-storm brewed, just as they didn't embrace him until the former one had cleared.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on July 28, 2012, 01:53:14 pm
so, break has 2 minutes with 80 odd k to go, should come together for the mall. but team GB have made all the running so far, will cav have enough left? surreal seeing all the british road signs when watching cycling.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on July 28, 2012, 03:46:59 pm
fuck.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: rich d on July 28, 2012, 03:49:32 pm
Following it on twitter as out with family, gutted we've lost it. This was the bit of the olympics I was looking forward to.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: richieb on July 28, 2012, 04:04:13 pm
Gutted.  Equally gutted about the TV coverage which was pretty awful.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tomtom on July 28, 2012, 04:15:32 pm
Gutted.  Equally gutted about the TV coverage which was pretty awful.

+1 +1
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: tregiffian on July 29, 2012, 09:17:39 am
1. There was no Plan B.
2. What happened to Froome?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mr__j5 on July 29, 2012, 10:15:18 am
1. There was no Plan B.
2. What happened to Froome?

5 people in a team isn't really enough to have a plan B and still have the best plan A that you can.

Froome did his job. He rode as hard as he could when he was supposed to, until he had no legs left. Even if plan A had worked, I wouldn't have expected Cav to have any lead out, because they would have all been spent from chasing the break down.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mark s on July 29, 2012, 12:44:38 pm
i have entered this www.legbreaker.co.uk (http://www.legbreaker.co.uk) on july 22nd.81 very hilly miles and i'm led to belive quite a few old school rock athletes are doing it.so i'm trying to get some fitness so i don't get my ass kicked.
however last weeks sessions of interval training resulted in the fitness gain of a chest infection. :wall:

a reply to a very old post,my uncle used to climb alot it the peak.he then moved to la palud and had a climbing shop.he came over for the leg breaker a couple of times,i think he did it with basher.
he rarely climbs now,spends all his time cycling.

as a teen ager,i did a fair bit of cycling.did a couple of hill climb races.
all the cycling on the tv at the moment has re ignited a flame,ive always enjoyed bikes though.i think id have to loose a few stone though to be competitive.

any recommendations for sites for finding second hand bikes?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 29, 2012, 08:32:57 pm
In a reply to a reply. I know your uncle Pete well and at the Leg breaker I think your mum was there with him.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mark s on July 30, 2012, 06:37:39 pm
oh right,cool.he was over again a few weeks ago.he has got my mum obsessed with cycling,she watched every stage of the tour and all the mens road race.she hasnt riden a bike for years though
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on July 30, 2012, 09:45:58 pm
I'm not a big Vino fan, but local rider down this way wrote this - nicely balanced alternative viewpoint - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/jul/30/london-2012-olympic-alexandr-vinokourov (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/jul/30/london-2012-olympic-alexandr-vinokourov)

I was desperately hoping for a GB win, but in retrospect I think the Olympic road race should be something that's won by a clever breakaway. If Gilbert's solo effort had happened later and stuck I would've been delighted. Poor Cancellara too.

The Women's race finished exactly how the men's ought to have done.

I wish we had a rider (or two) as good at classics style racing as Cav is at sprinting...

Mark - what's your budget?!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on July 31, 2012, 08:42:06 am
oh right,cool.he was over again a few weeks ago.he has got my mum obsessed with cycling,she watched every stage of the tour and all the mens road race.she hasnt riden a bike for years though
I heard he's been left millions by a forgotten aunt, so he can now afford trips back to the old country.
No longer will he be known as Hard up Harrop. ;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on July 31, 2012, 08:28:48 pm
I think the problem with Vino is that he still denies getting the transfusions. His win was what he is good at - a classic one day break away using his head.

At least somebody like Dave Millar is very up front about his past mistakes - at times abig too much .

I think it was too much to come to this type of race and think it could be won like a tour stage. For me le tour is a bigger deal - what Brailsford has done is remarkable and it looks like there is some future to the team with Froome. I think Cav will move - some are suggesting a green and yellow campaign is possible - I doubt it is with Schleck and Contador back next year.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Yossarian on August 01, 2012, 08:56:52 am
I reckon you're right - I think Cav will announce a move by the end of the month...

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mark s on August 07, 2012, 10:31:57 pm
just spent what seemed like ages trying to find the bike i used to have when i did alot of cycling.
it was a raleigh Elix.it was in the 1989 lightweight catalogue. ooh when i was a lad
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mikester on August 17, 2012, 07:42:21 pm
Somehow missed this one, but Andy Wilkinson recently beat the 12-hour record with, wait for it...317.912 miles. Not bad for old man eh?! Most mortals are pretty chuffed with a sub-hour 25 mile TT, but the thought averaging over 26 mph for 12 hours makes me feel ill.  Legend.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/534256/wilkinson-smashes-12-hour-time-trial-record.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/534256/wilkinson-smashes-12-hour-time-trial-record.html)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 22, 2012, 07:59:12 pm
Well the post Olympic politeness of car drivers seems to have ended. Had a bit of an argument with some tosser who was trying to drive his car into my back wheel - coming down a hill at 25 mph. I was in traffic so try as he might there was no where for him to go!

During the Olympics everyone was so courteous when I was riding to work I found it a bit disturbing! 
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 24, 2012, 06:56:42 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19364384 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19364384)

So is this Armstrong confessing that he was a cheating idiot - which I'm sure is how the French will see it.

Or has he just got sick and tired of trying to clear his name with the authorities?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cofe on August 24, 2012, 09:15:49 am
Feels like he's still playing the game - tactics. He doesn't have to go to arbitration, USADA have to show their cards (I think), and it now goes to the UCI. He seems too aggressive/competitive, with a load of dosh and too much to lose to simply fold. Or maybe he has just folded? Dark day for cycling anyway.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: butters on August 24, 2012, 09:51:23 am
Pretty damning piece on the Guardian website (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/aug/24/how-lance-armstrong-strongarmed-cycling)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: dave on August 24, 2012, 10:08:16 am
what amazes me is how its gone on for this long without him getting busted before - not that the writing hasn't been on the wall for years, but you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: saltbeef on August 24, 2012, 10:40:05 am
what Dave said.

surely the onus is on the anti-doping agencies and the various federations to police things properly. the contador affair is another prime example. backdating his ban so essentially only having 6 months off. nonsense.

i still think lance has done a lot of good things - look at livestrong.

on another note about cheating. what about unrepentant drug cheat Valverde! the gall of the man! "sky should show respect when the leader falls!" you fell off after they had sped up, and where was your respect for your fellow competitors when you denied them the chance to stand on the podium when you were doped up! unbelievable.
anyway as cofe says a sad day for cycling.

Venga Froome Dog!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: lukeh on August 24, 2012, 11:30:11 am
I only started following road races a few years ago, so missed Armstrong's career, and the racing of his era. Came across this article though which paints him in a pretty damning light - chasing down a rider purely because he testified against one of his doctors, then upon returning to the peloton making a 'lips zipped' gesture. Surely that is an admission in itself?

http://www.bicycling.com/news/pro-cycling/armstrong-hunts-down-rider (http://www.bicycling.com/news/pro-cycling/armstrong-hunts-down-rider)

All in all I just wish the various governing/anti doping bodies would fast track doping cases. Having them drag on and on does nothing for the sport.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: DaveC on August 24, 2012, 12:43:33 pm
This quote from the Guardian blog is really quite astonishing and clearly indicates that at least some in the press are not concerned about litigation: "We may never finally know what deals were done to hush up the alleged positive tests Armstrong gave, though we have our suspicions. "
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cofe on August 24, 2012, 12:50:36 pm
It's not that amazing it's gone on so long. He's never failed a drug test, and the only people who've spoked out publicly have failed them (e.g. Landis), effectively erasing their credibility. I'd be surprised if this is the end of it.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: dave on August 24, 2012, 01:13:27 pm
Aye, and Michael Jackson never failed a paedo test.

How much smoke do we need before the presence of a fire is beyond reasonable doubt?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Jaspersharpe on August 24, 2012, 02:01:51 pm
More here...

http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/aug/24/lance-armstrong-wada?cat=sport&type=article

It all looks completely damning but isn't it pretty clear now that the majority of riders at that time were at it? The fact that they are more likely to declare a non result than attempt to find a clean winner for those titles certainly points to that being the case.

If this is so and most of the top boys were doping when Armstrong won his titles then wasn't he technically still the best?
;)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: 205Chris on August 24, 2012, 02:32:04 pm
It all looks completely damning but isn't it pretty clear now that the majority of riders at that time were at it? The fact that they are more likely to declare a non result than attempt to find a clean winner for those titles certainly points to that being the case.

If this is so and most of the top boys were doping when Armstrong won his titles then wasn't he technically still the best?
;)

It does seem like the USADA have something of a vendetta against Armstrong though. I think it's fairly clear that most riders at the time were hepped up on goofballs. If you strip Armstrong of his titles and declare a non result where do you stop? No one's called out any other winners from the the pre-Armstrong era and I find it hard to believe they were all clean. I've just finished reading David Millar's biography and it seems like riders were positively encouraged to dope by their teams. Riders would dope out of season or miss certain races to avoid testing positive.

I'll be interested to see if the USADA ever release the evidence they have.

For anyone intrigued by the whole doping affair then Breaking the Chain is well worth a read.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: 205Chris on August 24, 2012, 05:17:44 pm
USADA didn't waste any time then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19369375 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19369375)

Dark day indeed
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on August 24, 2012, 05:27:05 pm
 
USADA didn't waste any time then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19369375 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19369375)

Dark day indeed
I thought only the UCI had the authority to strip them?
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: 205Chris on August 24, 2012, 05:35:09 pm
USADA didn't waste any time then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19369375 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19369375)

Dark day indeed
I thought only the UCI had the authority to strip them?

You're right, but from the Telegraph:

Quote
Travis Tygart, USADA's chief executive, left no doubt that was the next step, saying the UCI, the sport's governing body, was "bound to recognise our decision and impose it" as a signer of the World Anti-Doping Code.

"They have no choice but to strip the titles under the code," he said.

On Friday, the International Cycling Union said not so fast. The UCI, which had backed Armstrong's legal challenge to USADA's authority, cited the same World Anti-Doping Code in saying that it wanted the USADA to explain why Armstrong should lose his titles.

More here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9497792/Lance-Armstrong-to-be-stripped-of-Tour-de-France-titles-within-a-week-after-refusing-to-contest-doping-charges.html)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stabbsy on August 24, 2012, 06:23:38 pm
So, here's a bit of (not entirely scientific) research from this lunchtime. If you take all the TDF results from 1996 onwards and get rid of those who have been caught doping (I've included Armstrong and Ullrich in this list), here's your list of TDF winners :-

1996      Luttenberger
1997      Olano
1998      Julich
1999      Escartin
2000      Beloki
2001      Beloki
2002      Beloki
2003      Zubeldia
2004      Kloden
2005      Leipheimer
2006      Pereiro
2007      Evans
2008      Sastre
2009      Schleck (A)
2010      Schleck (A)
2011      Evans
2012      Wiggins

Of those; Olano, Escartin and Kloden have all been linked with positive tests or "questionable" doctors. Beloki and Pereiro had links with scandals but (I think) were cleared. Also, Leipheimer tested positive for something as an amateur.

In 1996, 2000 and 2005, only 1 of the top 6 was "clean". In recent years, the proportion of clean riders has increased. Hopefully, this isn't just that we haven't had long enough to discover the truth.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cofe on August 24, 2012, 06:37:49 pm
A tweet from the Tour back in July, the day they went over the Tourmalet, Aubisque etc.

Wiggins & co today climbed at 1680m/h for 24:28 (~6W/kg). VAM issues aside,compare to historical Tour performances:  (https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/225697706218246144)

(https://p.twimg.com/AyHW3jZCUAAHywR.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mark s on August 30, 2012, 09:13:51 pm
have been told i can use an uncles bike when i want to.lovely all carbon look kg381 frame and camp groupset.
ive done nothing cardio based for a few years now,had a quick 20 minutes on it today.i was ok riding.when i got off i though my saliva had been swopped for treacle.
shall try and do a bit but dont wont to end up with a cyclist build.so think im going have to keep the calorie count super high on riding days.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Nibile on August 31, 2012, 06:30:41 am
No wonder it felt hard, with a bike that weighs 381 kg...
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: 205Chris on August 31, 2012, 07:55:59 pm
Another Brit wins a stage of a grand tour.

Stephen Cummings in La Vuelta today.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on August 31, 2012, 08:25:44 pm
Shame Chris Froome is losing touch with the red jersey - think his season of supporting Wiggo is catching up with him. His time will come though.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: slackline on September 24, 2012, 11:49:03 am
Blink and you'll miss it....

Jauregui on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/49997914)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Falling Down on September 24, 2012, 02:19:59 pm
That's great.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Percy B on October 03, 2012, 08:36:03 pm
Cut and pasted from the judgement in the Floyd Landis v The UCI court case - paragraph ii is comedy gold!


EASTERN VAUD DISTRICT COURT
Case postale 496 Rue du Simplon 22 1800 Vevey 1
2012/051
JUDGMENT BY DEFAULT
entered by the
CHAIR OF THE CIVIL COURT
JO11.016233
on 26 September 2012
in the case
Union Cycliste Internationale, MCQUAID Patrick and VERBRUGGEN Henricus versus LANDIS Floyd Cease and desist order
OPERATIVE PROVISIONS
*****
Chair: Mrs Catherine PIGUET Clerk: L. Huser
The Chair of the Court,
ruling immediately in a closed hearing:
I. upholds in large part the petition of 29 April 2011 lodged by the Union Cycliste Internationale, Patrick McQuaid and Henricus Verbruggen against Floyd Landis;
II. forbids Floyd Landis to state that the Union Cycliste Internationale, Patrick (Pat) McQuaid and/or Henricus (Hein) Verbruggen have concealed cases of doping, received money for doing so, have accepted money from Lance Armstrong to conceal a doping case, have protected certain racing cyclists, concealed cases of doping, have engaged in manipulation, particularly of tests and races, have hesitated and delayed publishing the results of a positive test on Alberto Contador, have accepted bribes, are corrupt, are terrorists, have no regard for the rules, load the dice, are fools, do not have a genuine desire to restore discipline to cycling, are full of shit, are clowns, their words are worthless, are liars, are no different to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, or to make any similar other allegations of that kind;
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: neilpearsons on October 08, 2012, 07:47:29 pm
Couple of photos of Foundry manager (and former rock climber...) Neil Bentley on the Monsal Hill climb yesterday. He finished 3rd Vet.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4267019967712&set=a.1686181608366.92498.1652433230&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4267019967712&set=a.1686181608366.92498.1652433230&type=1&theater)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: neilpearsons on October 09, 2012, 06:37:31 pm
A slightly better photo here http://www.flickr.com/photos/veloshooter/8071106664/#in/set-72157631731208123/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/veloshooter/8071106664/#in/set-72157631731208123/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: cofe on October 09, 2012, 09:39:59 pm
Martyn Ashton - Road Bike Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmJtYaUTa0#ws)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Palomides on October 10, 2012, 07:41:09 am
Things that mildly annoy me in the morning #236:

Putting two layers on over bibshorts, then 10 minutes later realising that I need a poo.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dolly on October 18, 2012, 10:57:52 pm
Off to Italy a week tomorrow for 8 days of roadie heaven in the italian October sun. Staying here www.hoteldory.it (http://www.hoteldory.it)
Very excited at the thought of Italian food ,riding on quiet roads without idiots in cars and coming back lighter and without finger tweaks in time for the real grit season.
Must be great to be you Nibs :)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: finbarrr on October 19, 2012, 09:30:53 am
don't know if this has been posted before, but it didn't come up in a quick search:

91 rules for racers

http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/ (http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on October 19, 2012, 01:44:54 pm
Anyone in Yorkshire who for some strange reason doesn't want to climb tomorrow:  The Rapha Supercross is on in Skipton http://www.rapha.cc/super-cross (http://www.rapha.cc/super-cross)  I went to the Ally Pally one last year and it was a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: mark s on October 29, 2012, 08:43:02 pm
CTT National Hill Climb Championship 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-vF8DFORu8#ws)


skip to 2.33 rider #50  neil bentley
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 07, 2012, 10:24:43 pm
According to bike radar Wiggo has been knocked off his bike in Chorley & may have broken ribs.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 08, 2012, 05:24:54 pm
& may have broken ribs.

He hasn't.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatdoc on November 08, 2012, 08:55:31 pm
Fingers..

Not good.

Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: lukeh on November 08, 2012, 10:08:23 pm
and a day later Shane Sutton has worse luck.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20262117 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20262117)

hopefully it'll get a positive debate going at least.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on December 02, 2012, 09:17:01 pm
Need something warmer for rides in this chilly weather. Anyone got any recommendations or ones to avoid? Probably a softshell like this Mavic one maybe
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=87109 (http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=87109)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 02, 2012, 09:22:20 pm
I've got a assos wind block top expensive but it must be 15 years old now and still works well.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on December 02, 2012, 10:38:27 pm
I'm guessing this may be the wrong Asos...
http://m.asos.com/mt/www.asos.com/Etudes/Etudes-Vertige-Jacket/Prod/pgeproduct.aspx?iid=2371860&cid=3606&sh=0&pge=0&pgesize=12&sort=-1&clr=Multi (http://m.asos.com/mt/www.asos.com/Etudes/Etudes-Vertige-Jacket/Prod/pgeproduct.aspx?iid=2371860&cid=3606&sh=0&pge=0&pgesize=12&sort=-1&clr=Multi)
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: webbo on December 03, 2012, 09:24:23 am
Not at all works really well with a newspaper shoved down the front.
I did look on chain reaction at the other Assos and the modern equivilent seems to be the Airjack 851. If you need to look at how much it costs you can't afford it. Scarey prices.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Stubbs on December 03, 2012, 09:35:01 am
At the risk of this sounding like a climbing shoe thread, fit is quite important with these jackets, and it can vary quite drastically from company to company.  If you can get to a bike shop and try some on you'll be better off.  As with all bike stuff you seem to able to spend just about as little or as much as you want to!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Dutch on December 10, 2012, 10:10:22 pm
Gore bike wear stuff is pretty good. The bro got me a windstopper softshell through work. Really toastie and the sleeves zip off for milder days- pretty handy.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: BB on December 10, 2012, 10:58:07 pm
Campagnolo clothing is 50% off pretty much everywhere at the moment as they're phasing the clothing line. You could do a lot worse.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: lukeh on April 14, 2013, 05:42:31 pm
On Sunday 21st of April, ITV have coverage of Liege-Bastogne-Liege if anyone is up for getting an early season cycling fix!
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Duma on August 29, 2013, 09:19:21 pm
Tony Martin -  :bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: fatkid2000 on November 08, 2013, 11:31:05 am
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/sheffield-dad-killed-on-his-bike-was-one-of-a-kind-1-6226678 (http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/sheffield-dad-killed-on-his-bike-was-one-of-a-kind-1-6226678)

I'm sure some of the regular sheffield roadies are aware of this.
Title: Re: Leg shavers anonymous
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on November 14, 2013, 04:55:14 pm
Second hand road bike being auctioned for charity, one careful owner...
http://www.tchc.org.uk/pages/603 (http://www.tchc.org.uk/pages/603)

Tempted to have a punt, he's the same height as me...:drool:
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