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Title: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Johnny Brown on July 18, 2022, 01:29:46 pm
The Peak Park have just announce the closure of access land due to fire risk. Public rights of way remain unaffected.

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Fire risk closure to Access Land - Extreme Red Heat Warning ⛔️

The risk of fire on the #PeakDistrict Moors has now reached a critical level, unseen for many years. As a result, public access has been suspended from all Access Land until this risk has reduced.

Access Land can be indicated by signs similar to those shown above, and temporary closure signs may also be in place. Whilst the fire risk remains exceptional, Access Land should not be entered until further notice.

Public footpaths are unaffected.


I'm just working on clarifying this for crag access. Obviously the most important thing is not to start fires, so no smoking or bbqs or discarding glass, and use common sense.

As real as the issue is this is very much a blunt stick and crags are often on sites that can be ambiguous, with crags adjacent to rights of way traditionally ok - however post-Covid I suspect there may be a zero tolerance vibe from the righteous demographic. That aside...

All of Burbage should be ok except Leaning Block on Higgar and Secret Garden.

Roaches same but I would not be surprised if the Wildlife Trust interpret it as a climbing ban - there was a big wildfire here in recent years.

Froggat and Curbar are not actually access land but reached by right of way, so should be unaffected.

Bamford and Derwent likely closed completely, assuming someone informs the Insta-hordes.

Baslow closed. Birchens closed.

Gardoms not access land, but reached by crossing it unless you come up from below.

Stanage depends on your definition of adjacent and right of way; Crescent arete to Causeway area ok. The public footpath on top doesn't appear to be an actual RoW, and the path below High Neb etc is not exactly adjacent, but has remained open when the access land is closed for grouse breeding. But Popular end may be closed.

'All access land' would suggest it affects the Dales too - Ravensdale, Moat buttress, Cornice WcJ and Central buttress most obviously.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Johnny Brown on July 18, 2022, 01:36:11 pm
PS it should be revoked as soon as it rains.

Edit: or possibly when the temps drop as forecast. Doesn't look like guaranteed rain anytime soon.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: edshakey on July 18, 2022, 02:06:00 pm
Doubt too many climbers will be affected - who tf wants to climb on grit in 39°C  :sick:

Hopefully there aren't any BBQing idiots out this week, would be a huge shame to have a fire take hold from something so easily preventable.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Wellsy on July 18, 2022, 02:20:00 pm
Out of interest do you reckon that means you'd not be able to get to Slippery Stones? Guessing not
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Johnny Brown on July 18, 2022, 02:31:31 pm
I would say that would be fine as there is a public right of way to within a short distance.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Fiend on July 18, 2022, 02:45:40 pm
Doubt too many climbers will be affected - who tf wants to climb on grit in 39°C  :sick:
That was my first thought!! Not gonna be missing mint connies.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: SA Chris on July 18, 2022, 02:55:58 pm
Punters will punt regardless of weather.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Johnny Brown on July 18, 2022, 03:09:51 pm
Picture that is emerging that this was not really Peak Park decision based on risk-on-the-ground, but an automatic measure based on the Met Office warning. Given that is expected to only last today and tomorrow, they won't be putting signs up just 'raising awareness'. So should be revoked as soon as temps return to normal.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: matt463 on July 18, 2022, 03:10:26 pm
My friend said he spotted a fire on/near Broomhead moor just now
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Johnny Brown on July 18, 2022, 03:10:44 pm
Ah shit.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Johnny Brown on July 19, 2022, 05:06:09 pm
Latest from PDNPA: "restrictions are now anticipated to remain in place for a further number of days"
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: cheque on July 19, 2022, 06:54:38 pm
There’s a fire at Ladybower (https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/ladybower-reservoir-fire-live-updates-7354375) apparently.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: danm on July 19, 2022, 10:06:25 pm
Yeah, lots of smoke and haze visible when driving over the Snake this evening on way back from Manc. Bad scenes.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Carliios on July 19, 2022, 10:52:12 pm
Yup - just went for a walk round the village and it was very hazy and could smell the smoke in the air. Hoping they’re able to /were able to stop the fire   :(
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: slab_happy on July 20, 2022, 11:57:02 am
Latest from PDNPA: "restrictions are now anticipated to remain in place for a further number of days"

That does seem understandable owing to fire services being a bit busy with significant parts of the country being on fire right now.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Carliios on July 20, 2022, 07:22:33 pm
Looks like the fire at ladybower may have been started by a camping stove, honestly not even surprised by how dumb some tourists can be https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-derbyshire-62231899
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Felix14 on July 20, 2022, 07:35:29 pm
Saw the ladybower fire this afternoon or what was left anyway, still smoking lots. Also glimpsed a much larger fire towards woodhead pass as well. Helicopter with a big bucket went over head.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: Johnny Brown on July 21, 2022, 10:34:41 am
Has been pretty damp overnight thankfully.
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: matt463 on July 21, 2022, 04:37:15 pm
Saw some people with a fire yesterday evening at Damflask - mind boggling, not least because of how hot it was I can't imagine a reasonable rationale for needing a fire...
Title: Re: Peak Access moorland closed due to fire risk
Post by: JamieG on July 25, 2022, 10:41:57 am
https://twitter.com/peakdistrict/status/1551482687340351489

Apparently all open again. Good news.
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