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the shizzle => shootin' the shit => Topic started by: Duncan Disorderly on November 25, 2021, 11:39:20 am
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I agree... I guess as climbing becomes more professional and these guys are actually able to make a living by just doing it these restrictions will probably become all the more frustrating... As you say there will be ways round it but it's definitely going to be more difficult for the forseeable (hence my "future looks bleak comment"...). Personally 90 days seems like bloody ages and I'd love to be able to swan off to some sun kissed crag for that long to do the thing I love... But then I'm a 47 year old dad with a job and a mortgage ;)
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Personally 90 days seems like bloody ages and I'd love to be able to swan off to some sun kissed crag for that long to do the thing I love... But then I'm a 47 year old dad with a job and a mortgage ;)
Haha I know right, 90 days is about 70 days beyond dream territory for most! Guess life is what you make of it though, if you can you should.
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Do the genuine elite who climb outside still do trips of that length? People like Ondra, Stefano and Megos seem to spend half their time at home training
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Do the genuine elite who climb outside still do trips of that length? People like Ondra, Stefano and Megos seem to spend half their time at home training
I get the impression that monumental trips are bit out of fashion because you get pretty detrained spending multiple months at the same place, trying the same stuff. It seems pretty common to do lots of 'short' (i.e 2-4 weeks) trips interspersed with periods of training to keep topped up.
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I think 90 days will be plenty for most of the UK crushers to get stuff done. Roughing it under a bridge or in a campsite like in the days of yore ( :yawn:) is really bad for your general conditioning.
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I think 90 days will be plenty for most of the UK crushers to get stuff done. Roughing it under a bridge or in a campsite like in the days of yore ( :yawn:) is really bad for your general conditioning.
Doesn’t everyone have camper-vans #vanlife nowadays?
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Even that is pretty shit for general conditioning I think. Obviously depends on luxury level but I can't imagine that one sleeps/eats as well as in a house and you can't do any training either. Would have thought the most efficient method is what the top operators seem to do- 3/4 week trip, then go away and train and come back to tick it.
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On a positive note, something that has struck me about both Hamish and Max Milne particularly is the shear brass balls on them! They both seem to be incredibly bullish / confident about their prospects as members of the elite, which is a little awe inspiring.
I've got a lot of time for Hamish after bumping into him (and Charlie) on a trip to Northumberland with Peewee a few years ago. He didn't quite know how to deal with Peewee having a full on meltdown next to him on various problems (most people would've been excited by just how close they were to getting up some good/hard stuff) but just kept his head down and got stuff done, quietly and calmly (the word bullish certainly wouldn't enter my mind). He was clearly talented but seemed to lack a bit of strength and power which has changed somewhat. Impressive.
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Do the genuine elite who climb outside still do trips of that length? People like Ondra, Stefano and Megos seem to spend half their time at home training
Agree with the point generally, but didn't Adam say he's going to Arco for 5 months? In that Magnus interview? Might have misremembered but I do remember being very surprised!
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Even that is pretty shit for general conditioning I think. Obviously depends on luxury level but I can't imagine that one sleeps/eats as well as in a house and you can't do any training either.
Worked for Honnold aka #thebestclimberintheworld.
You'd swear Europe was the only place to climb in the world. Yes, the new situation is not ideal, but once you've used your quote there are many other places to go.
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Other places are slightly harder to get ones camper van to though!
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Other places are slightly harder to get ones camper van to though!
And not as good as limestone in Europe.
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Do the genuine elite who climb outside still do trips of that length? People like Ondra, Stefano and Megos seem to spend half their time at home training
Agree with the point generally, but didn't Adam say he's going to Arco for 5 months? In that Magnus interview? Might have misremembered but I do remember being very surprised!
They have apartments for rent in Arco as well... and Stefano Ghisolfi lives there so I imagine there are some acceptable training facilities.
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Do the genuine elite who climb outside still do trips of that length? People like Ondra, Stefano and Megos seem to spend half their time at home training
Agree with the point generally, but didn't Adam say he's going to Arco for 5 months? In that Magnus interview? Might have misremembered but I do remember being very surprised!
I think so, but he’s also dedicated a lot of time to training for the Olympics and said he’s ready to spend a lot more time on rock now.
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They have apartments for rent in Arco as well...and Stefano Ghisolfi lives there so I imagine there are some acceptable training facilities.
Yeh this ^^
Ondra must be pretty comfortable now. Sure he can afford an apartment between him and his entourage. Can't imagine he'll be doing much #vanlife now, especially through the winter. And if he's losing power he can just nip to the wall.
Very different to sleeping in the dirt and doing a few chin ups on tree branches.
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Other places are slightly harder to get ones camper van to though!
...and are substantially more expensive with their own bureaucracy attached!
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You know, only being able to spend half the year climbing in the EU, I somehow think they'll cope with the hardship.
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On a positive note, something that has struck me about both Hamish and Max Milne particularly is the shear brass balls on them! They both seem to be incredibly bullish / confident about their prospects as members of the elite, which is a little awe inspiring.
Maybe they read Mastermind
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On a positive note, something that has struck me about both Hamish and Max Milne particularly is the shear brass balls on them! They both seem to be incredibly bullish / confident about their prospects as members of the elite, which is a little awe inspiring.
I've got a lot of time for Hamish after bumping into him (and Charlie) on a trip to Northumberland with Peewee a few years ago. He didn't quite know how to deal with Peewee having a full on meltdown next to him on various problems (most people would've been excited by just how close they were to getting up some good/hard stuff) but just kept his head down and got stuff done, quietly and calmly (the word bullish certainly wouldn't enter my mind). He was clearly talented but seemed to lack a bit of strength and power which has changed somewhat. Impressive.
Bullish is just how their social media stuff comes across to me, as well as what they seem to be doing. It's not meant as a slight. I could have said arrogant, which to be honest some of it is, e.g. talking about "[taking] over the circuit" (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CWVdHvGAkFk/?utm_medium=copy_link), or every time Max holds his hand to his ear in a comp, which to be honest I do find grating.
I'm really not criticising though, just observing that trying a 9b+ when you've only what two(?) 9as to your name is something I can only imagine someone with an extraordinary amount of confidence and self belief doing. That's certainly very impressive.
Anyway, on a different note I saw this post (https://www.instagram.com/p/CWszqUyMkcg/?utm_medium=copy_link) from Hazel today complaining about not being able to spend all winter in Spain. The heart bleeds for them with jealousy!
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You know, only being able to spend half the year climbing in the EU, I somehow think they'll cope with the hardship.
The comp climbers will need to save a chunk of that for comps, and may want to train in Europe too. First world problems obviously, but more of a PITA than if you live there or than how it used to be. Still, who needs freedom now we have our freedom back...
P.s. I'm not excited about the 'next gen' routes in the UK cos they'll largely be a bit shit compared to the ones in Europe and the US! Unless anyone has discovered a new wonder crag.
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I could have said arrogant, which to be honest some of it is, e.g. talking about "[taking] over the circuit" (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CWVdHvGAkFk/?utm_medium=copy_link), or every time Max holds his hand to his ear in a comp, which to be honest I do find grating.
I'm just glad that social media didn't exist when I was younger!
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You know, only being able to spend half the year climbing in the EU, I somehow think they'll cope with the hardship.
The comp climbers will need to save a chunk of that for comps, and may want to train in Europe too. First world problems obviously, but more of a PITA than if you live there or than how it used to be. Still, who needs freedom now we have our freedom back...
P.s. I'm not excited about the 'next gen' routes in the UK cos they'll largely be a bit shit compared to the ones in Europe and the US! Unless anyone has discovered a new wonder crag.
Fucks sake just get a year long visa, it isn't hard. You'll then have 1.25 years in Europe in, umm, 1.5 years. Whinging cunts ;)
And go and put up 9b+ FAs on world class Irish limestone mega caves that are super-quick drying and in good condition from April - September, unlike Spain. And it isn't far, or expensive, and no 90-day rule. Whinging cunts :)
No imagination, follow the herd, post about it on social media. Fuck off. :) :)
(the above is said -partly- tongue in cheek)
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And go and put up 9b+ FAs on world class Irish limestone mega caves that are super-quick drying and in good condition from May - September, unlike Spain. And it isn't far, or expensive. Whinging cunts :)
I knew you’d be on banging your Inis Mor drum as soon as Barrows said there were no good projects 😂 although I guess that is still EU rather than UK!
Think if I was a sport climber, I’d still rather go to the Barcelona area and get some sun on the Balearic coast rather than get battered by the Atlantic! No spirit of adventure these days…
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Are those caves actually dry most of that time or just "dry" in that they're not seeping but covered in sea grease ming like most seaside caves?
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Dry and far less ming-prone than LPT. Which you'd know if you had any sense of adventure and exploration. :tease:
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Think if I was a sport climber, I’d still rather go to the Barcelona area and get some sun on the Balearic coast rather than get battered by the Atlantic! No spirit of adventure these days…
in good condition from May - September, unlike Spain.
I'll stop now. I don't really want to meet anyone out there.
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I think you’re pretty safe Pete unless Johnson builds his bridge!
One wouldn’t head to that area of Spain for the summer months, but it’s not like there aren’t tonnes of other well established options in Spain and France for that time of year.
Enjoy your adventurous solitude, I wonder if Steve Mac has convinced anyone it’s worth going since his visit?
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Tonnes of options for hard sport climbing in Spain and France through the summer - I mean yeah there's obviously loads of class stuff to enjoy.. especially the obvious higher and/or N.facing areas like Ceuse and a few others. But it isn't renowned for being the place Brits go through late spring/summer because a major part of the attraction of travelling to Spain and France in November through to April is it gives Brit climbers something they can't get in their own country at that time of year. In spring/summer there's tons of quality climbing to enjoy in the UK (and/or Ireland). You're coming across almost as if you're enthusiastically against the idea of checking out some climbing areas close to home during the drier warmer parts of the year because, you know, they could actually be pretty good.
You're right, stay away it's shite!
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Fucks sake just get a year long visa, it isn't hard. You'll then have 1.25 years in Europe in, umm, 1.5 years. Whinging cunts ;)
How would one go about getting a year-long visa..?
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Whinging remoaner c*nts. Next you'll be moaning about higher prices and less choice in the supermarkets...why can't you see it as a perfect opportunity to reduce food waste or something?
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For the record I am in no way in support of Brexit, just saying I don't think it's as bleak a picture as everyone is making out.
Anyway, kind of straying from the point. Yes some weans out there doing well.
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This ^. 90 days in 180 is no real-world constraint for 99% of people, except for a sub-group of those 99% who like to moan. For the other 1%, you can get a year-long extended visitor visa by applying to the French authorities. Or for the 0.1% (not really, it must be way higher among retired climbers and trust-fund climbers) you can just show the Spanish you have 27,000 euros in savings and get a year's stay. FFS it took me about 5 seconds to find this out.
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This ^. 90 days in 180 is no real-world constraint for 99% of people
Probably about the same proportion of the population who are young, male, black, and stopped by the police all the time - doesn't make it a great situation. I know plenty of people affected, not just climbers: my mum's neighbours with their small flat in Spain come to mind immediately. Supporting a policy that makes peoples' lives shittier (even if just a bit) and then calling them whingers* for saying that it is indeed shittier is pretty low, sorry Pete, it just is. (Thanks for your Ireland bolting efforts tho.)
Having said that, I've read that some Spanish politicians are talking about a making long stays easier for Brits, so I can imagine we might end up with a patchwork of different arrangements which make long trips easier than the shit deal we have right now, depending on what we can offer in return.
* even with the tired old "just banter" clause.
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This ^. 90 days in 180 is no real-world constraint for 99% of people
Probably about the same proportion of the population who are young, male, black, and stopped by the police all the time - doesn't make it a great situation.
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Not that I think you seriously were, but let's not compare racially motivated police harassment of minority groups with not being able to go on a 6 month+ international climbing trip without some extra admin.
That aside, Brexit is shit.
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It *is* mostly banter Sean - I’m not blind to the fact that spending 6 months climbing or in your Provence/Spanish second home is now a bit more difficult (but far from problematic, as I’ve pointed out).
With most things the outcome is rarely as bad as the imagined outcome. We’ll see won’t we.
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Not that I think you seriously were, but let's not compare racially motivated police harassment of minority groups with not being able to go on a 6 month+ international climbing trip without some extra admin.
That aside, Brexit is shit.
No, obviously not! More criticising the argument that losing some rights isn't important because not many people ever availed themselves of those rights. It's a doubly crap premise as it's clear quite a lot of Brits did indeed use those rights, even if just once in their lives, hence all the internet chatter about how to find a workaround.
It *is* mostly banter Sean - I’m not blind to the fact that spending 6 months climbing or in your Provence/Spanish second home is now a bit more difficult (but far from problematic, as I’ve pointed out).
With most things the outcome is rarely as bad as the imagined outcome. We’ll see won’t we.
Banter is usually quite different from being funny.
I think you miss the difference between being free to do something, and being a supplicant. Still, freedom eh, I'm drinking it in.
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Think most people can cope with minor inconvenience or extra ball achey admin if there are other benefits to make up for it Pete. After all, no one has said the limits on travel are catastrophic in isolation.
But when there is literally nothing positive to show from us leaving the EU, and a hell of a lot other shitty extra inconvenience on top of a massive hit to the economy - for people who voted to actively harm this country to then say “stop whinging it’s not that bad” is a bit fucking rich.
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Looking forward to Pete’s scheme where he temporarily lends youth wads £30k so they can get their Spanish visas sorted.
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Good scheme! 5% seems fair.
Ali, that seems logically inconsistent. The ‘extra benefit’ of the increased ‘ballache’ admin (of applying for a 12-month visa or proving you have €27,000 savings) is, obviously, staying in schengen for 12 months instead of 6.
The fact that you didn’t used to have to do that is separate from the fact that now, you do.
Leaving the EU happened, and many of you hate that fact. But that is the reality.
Also.. Croatian sport crags would appear to be a future destination for climbers hanging around outside schengen while their day-counter resets.
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Ali, that seems logically inconsistent. The ‘extra benefit’ of the increased ‘ballache’ admin (of applying for a 12-month visa or proving you have €27,000 savings) is, obviously, staying in schengen for 12 months instead of 6.
He's referring to the benefit of brexit, not the benefit of the visa. Which you seem to know but makes your response defunct.
This is a very strange argument given that everyone basically agrees with the fact that things are a bit more of a pain - especially if young and with limited savings or a need to work (either via a job there or working remotely) - but not a total disaster given other destinations and some longer visa options.
The volume of the moaning is no doubt a bit louder than reflects the precise issue, because people are throwing out the odd disgruntled moan at the whole thing, due to things like:
- having been locked out of Europe entirely for a period earlier this year due to Brexit/COVID combo
- reduced ability to live/work/retire abroad without being rich
- friends/family impacted by these things (e.g. as I understand it my uncle/aunt in law got f*cked by not earning enough to get Spanish residency)
- having extra faff at work due to added export faff
- getting stung for extra charges when buying from the EU
etc... If you kick me in the balls and I wake up tomorrow with sore balls, I'll still be pissed you kicked me in them even if it's done and I can't do anything about it. :lol:
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But that’s exactly my point Alex - it’s an argument against Brexit. And brexit has happened. So it’s an argument against something that has happened.
Lamenting a past reality, that no longer exists and isn’t coming back, isn’t a productive use of time and doesn’t offer any value in negotiating the present reality.
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The fact that you didn’t used to have to do that is separate from the fact that now, you do.
Leaving the EU happened, and many of you hate that fact. But that is the reality.
So Barrows should get on board with you kicking him in the balls, because it happened?
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I wouldn’t be happy if I were kicked in the balls, nor do I expect people who didn’t want to leave the EU to be happy that we left the EU.
As for ‘get on board with me kicking him’, in the context of travelling to the schengen area I don’t know what you mean, probably because it’s meaningless. Get a 12-month visa etc, don’t get a 12-month visa etc. Those are currently your options.
Edit: perhaps some people think I’m ascribing to other people what I think they should believe. I’m doing no such thing - I fully understand other people’s point of view about the EU and their upset at their preferred option not being the reality. I’d hope others would do the same in reverse by not ascribing beliefs and emotions to me that I don’t hold. (I actually wouldn’t have cared very much if the ref had gone the other way and would happily have gone on with life, perhaps thinking it was an interesting opportunity lost but hey-ho. But that probably doesn’t fit people’s agendas of a ‘leaver’. Anyway this is way OT, my fault).
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To continue the Barrows ball kicking analogy, perhaps a more interesting logical question is how long is it reasonable to bear a grudge against the person who kicked him in the balls?
Personally whilst I think Brexit was fucking stupid I don't get exercised by it these days in the same way Barrows/Ali do. Maybe because I hadn't really had the chance to go to Europe for longer than a few months I just don't miss what I never experienced?
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Personally whilst I think Brexit was fucking stupid I don't get exercised by it these days in the same way Barrows/Ali do. Maybe because I hadn't really had the chance to go to Europe for longer than a few months I just don't miss what I never experienced?
If only it were the case that trustifarians being unable to vanlife through Spain indefinitely was the only ill that Brexit visited on us.
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I think that Alex is winning the debate as to whether European travel is more difficult after Brexit.
Pete is definitely ahead when it comes to suggesting pragmatic approaches to mitigate the obvious impacts of Brexit on European travel: ideas include (i) get visa, (ii) don't bother and (iii) have E27k
(I agree with Sean, rights and freedoms have value even to those who do not directly exercise those rights. Surely choosing not to do something is very different from being unable to do it.)
My mate Andy hit me in the balls with a cricket ball when I was 15, I still hate the fucker now three decades later.
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My mate Andy hit me in the balls with a cricket ball when I was 15, I still hate the fucker now three decades later.
:lol:
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But that’s exactly my point Alex - it’s an argument against Brexit. And brexit has happened. So it’s an argument against something that has happened.
Lamenting a past reality, that no longer exists and isn’t coming back, isn’t a productive use of time and doesn’t offer any value in negotiating the present reality.
Given that Euroscepticism/Brexit was a political movement based on a 40-year complaint about something that had already happened, it seems a little rich to ask pro-Europeans to shut up less than a year into our delightful post-EU life. Especially since moans like "immigrants took all our jobs" turn out to have been bollocks whilst "Brexiters stole my rights" is an accurate description of the present reality.
But more to the point, our relationship with the EU is an on-going thing. Our Vote Leave government are literally trying to change the Brexit they negotiated at the moment. There's plenty of room for a Brexit that included a sane and sensible rather than antagonist relationship with the EU, and more freedom of movement for us could and should be a part of it. I'm sure the Spanish would be up for this. But first we'd need a government that didn't blame everything on foreigners...
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I wouldn’t be happy if I were kicked in the balls, nor do I expect people who didn’t want to leave the EU to be happy that we left the EU.
As for ‘get on board with me kicking him’, in the context of travelling to the schengen area I don’t know what you mean, probably because it’s meaningless. Get a 12-month visa etc, don’t get a 12-month visa etc. Those are currently your options.
Edit: perhaps some people think I’m ascribing to other people what I think they should believe. I’m doing no such thing - I fully understand other people’s point of view about the EU and their upset at their preferred option not being the reality. I’d hope others would do the same in reverse by not ascribing beliefs and emotions to me that I don’t hold. (I actually wouldn’t have cared very much if the ref had gone the other way and would happily have gone on with life, perhaps thinking it was an interesting opportunity lost but hey-ho. But that probably doesn’t fit people’s agendas of a ‘leaver’. Anyway this is way OT, my fault).
What I meant Pete is that you're OK with people being unhappy about leaving and the effect that's had on travel within the Schengen area, but if they vocalise that, it's whining (because a less good alternative exists)/fruitless whereas it's simply an expression of that unhappiness/anger/frustration. To me, those two things don't add up and you see it all over the Leave/Remain divide:
"if we leave X will happen/be shit"
"no, it'll be fine"
LEAVING
"look X is now shit"
"Well, we've left so get on board, it's happened"
I find it very tedious.
If only it were the case that trustifarians being unable to vanlife through Spain indefinitely was the only ill that Brexit visited on us.
Exactly.
Back to travel, having been lucky enough to travel both in the EU and USA the latter is far more stressful in terms of staying on the right side of the rules. We opted not to go for the extended visa (~6M) as the pass/fail rate was alarmingly high and if you happen to fail, you're no longer eligible to use the ESTA.
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There's plenty of room for a Brexit that included a sane and sensible rather than antagonist relationship with the EU, and more freedom of movement for us could and should be a part of it. I'm sure the Spanish would be up for this. But first we'd need a government that didn't blame everything on foreigners...
On this I fully agree.
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Pete is definitely ahead when it comes to suggesting pragmatic approaches to mitigate the obvious impacts of Brexit on European travel: ideas include (i) get visa, (ii) don't bother and (iii) have E27k
Not really.. the underlying point is that, despite protestations by people I labelled moaning cunts in a spirit of tongue in cheek banter (Paul..), for 99% of climbers in the context of going climbing in the schengen area there aren't any obvious impacts of brexit.
For the tiny cohort of trustifarian vanlifers and time-rich retirees, there are still perfectly workable options.
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Personally whilst I think Brexit was fucking stupid I don't get exercised by it these days in the same way Barrows/Ali do. Maybe because I hadn't really had the chance to go to Europe for longer than a few months I just don't miss what I never experienced?
I did. I drove down to Spain with a car load of stuff and no real plans. Found a job within a month and ended up staying for 5 years. F*cking migrants! The fact that can no longer happen still makes me sad and a bit angry, especially when there are no upsides to Brexit to balance out all the shit. Less than a year into it I'm ok with still being pissed about that.
Lamenting a past reality, that no longer exists and isn’t coming back, isn’t a productive use of time and doesn’t offer any value in negotiating the present reality.
Irony overload! The only reason we're in this mess is because of all the fuckwits that were looking back with rose tinted spectacles wishing their non-bendy bananas were weighed out in lbs and the Empire still controlled a quarter of the globe.
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Not really.. the underlying point is that, despite protestations by people I labelled moaning cunts in a spirit of tongue in cheek banter (Paul..), for 99% of climbers in the context of going climbing in the schengen area there aren't any obvious impacts of brexit.
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/11/uk-holidaymakers-to-pay-6-visa-fee-to-visit-europe-after-brexit/
Mobile roaming charges returning.
These are the obvious tangible ones at the moment but how long before travel insurance goes up to cover medical eventualities, longer queues at passport control, more stringent border controls etc.
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I for one hold Pete entirely responsible for Brexit.
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Personally whilst I think Brexit was fucking stupid I don't get exercised by it these days in the same way Barrows/Ali do. Maybe because I hadn't really had the chance to go to Europe for longer than a few months I just don't miss what I never experienced?
I did. I drove down to Spain with a car load of stuff and no real plans. Found a job within a month and ended up staying for 5 years. F*cking migrants! The fact that can no longer happen still makes me sad and a bit angry, especially when there are no upsides to Brexit to balance out all the shit. Less than a year into it I'm ok with still being pissed about that.
In 2003 I travelled to NZ and lived there for a year on a visa, doing fuck all work and just climbing. In 2004 I moved to Canada and lived there for 4 years on successive 12-month visas, doing bits of work and mostly climbing. I really don't get what the moaning cunts (TIC) are moaning about. You can travel the world on visas climbing, including the schengen area. The freedom to have adventures, travel and generally swanning around doing whatever the fuck you want is still there. I'm not sure the mindset is as strong though. The moaning seems to be coming from a small subset of over-privileged folk with limited horizons who seem to view only being able to spend 6-months per year in schengen - which actually can be extended to 12 months - as some kind of prison of their freedoms to explore the world. Excuse me while I go and play my tiny non-existent violin.
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Not really.. the underlying point is that, despite protestations by people I labelled moaning cunts in a spirit of tongue in cheek banter (Paul..), for 99% of climbers in the context of going climbing in the schengen area there aren't any obvious impacts of brexit.
Until the border guard doesn't do a good job of stamping your passport (I'd seen it before Snr Barros brought it up on here)? Or, they're with Three so get until Mar next year before Go Roam gets binned and they're with everybody else? Or, the fact you get slammed into a much bigger queue upon arrival? Granted I've seen bigger problems in life but these are all a pain in the arse and they're pretty obvious to me.
Perhaps I'm a bit touchy as any discussions with my family where there's a tangible downside I get some vague shrug and a "they'll sort it out" :tumble:
I'm not saying that there aren't alternatives or ways round the 180-day limit, simply that there are now more barriers to long periods of travel within the Schengen area (which is a fact) and that's something I think is a bit of a shame/shit.
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I like how, within the space of a day, Shark's thread celebrating the youth of today has descended into the usual back and forth :lol:
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No it hasn't
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No it hasn't
Oh ffs! It has happened, so just suck it up.
It’s so obvious that once done, it cannot be undone…
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Fucking remus, always moaning about things that have long since past.
p.s. Tesco mobile and a couple of others still had free roaming last time I looked, though the list is dwindling rapidly. (And since it's only a bit of a pain in the ass to buy European SIMs or pay £5 per day for the privilege of replying to work emails from the crag you're not allowed to moan when they also disappear)
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Fucking remus, always moaning about things that have long since past.
p.s. Tesco mobile and a couple of others still had free roaming last time I looked, though the list is dwindling rapidly. (And since it's only a bit of a pain in the ass to buy European SIMs or pay £5 per day for the privilege of replying to work emails from the crag you're not allowed to moan when they also disappear)
GiffGaff are are still doing EU roaming. 20Gb limit /month
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Edit: I fully understand other people’s point of view about the EU and their upset at their preferred option not being the reality. I actually wouldn’t have cared very much if the ref had gone the other way and would happily have gone on with life, perhaps thinking it was an interesting opportunity lost but hey-ho. But that probably doesn’t fit people’s agendas of a ‘leaver’.
Missed this first time around what with your late edit.
There is no equivalence here between just shrugging your shoulders when the status quo doesn’t change vs the monumental upheaval that Brexit will continue to cause for decades and people being pissed off about that.
There has to be a fucking good reason to move away from the status quo, especially one which brings A LOT of benefits to the country. The fact that even the most ardent Leavers can’t now articulate what we’ve gained from Brexit other than some nebulous concept of ‘sovereignty’ shows what a pointless and self-defeating exercise it has been.
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(I actually wouldn’t have cared very much if the ref had gone the other way and would happily have gone on with life, perhaps thinking it was an interesting opportunity lost but hey-ho.
Lucky for us we didn’t lose that opportunity, any point me asking for more info of what this opportunity is?
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I don't understand how it could ever be anything but nebulous - like any social construct, sovereignty is nebulous! Even money, human rights, and the law don't fundamentally exist other than as nebulous concepts in human imaginations. The concept of a sovereign country having political independence is (somewhat, not massively) important to me. But as Sean rightly points out what you do with that independence matters. This is way OT.
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Fucks sake, UKB has many more than enough threads of old people grumbling about politics. Can a mod delete all this shit so the decent original thread might have chance?
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Agree, delete or move. Apols for having the wrong view everyone ::)
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Are those caves actually dry most of that time or just "dry" in that they're not seeping but covered in sea grease ming like most seaside caves?
Yeah fuck Spain, they're gonna be mint this week: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59540474
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Dickhead :)
The vids were from a solo bolting trip I did in December 2019, I wanted to see what a mild winter storm was like. The cliffs in the first vid and the cave in the second are a good 45m+ high. Only got half a route bolted (the upper half!).
For scale:
(https://i.imgur.com/Pdx21s5.jpg)
https://vimeo.com/653869134
https://vimeo.com/653873794
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No it hasn't
Oh yes it has
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oh no it bloody hasn't
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...longer queues at passport control, more stringent border controls etc.
We have that already for example at passport control going between Schengen and non- Schengen areas at Schipol and other EU airports where we can't use the e-gates any more as we've been shunted from the EU/EEA queue to the 3rd world undesirable queue... Typically this year it's added 45 minutes to an hour to my connection times. Don't understand why we haven't returned the favour and moved EU passport holders into the rest of the world queue at Heathrow. :shrug:
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I don't need to know that. I have a tight transfer at Schipol in late January, sweating already.
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It's a pain in the backside, especially while there's been fewer flights and less choice in connections. Coming from Europe to the UK is generally quicker, but then you have the lottery of how long the queue is at D8 for the UK Covid paperwork check - that can be 5 minutes or stretch down the concourse past the next gate...
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Flying late on a Wednesday night, so hopefully off peak.