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Title: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: tomtom on November 04, 2018, 07:48:35 pm
Salutations erstwhile powerclubbers.
Right enough of that...

M: Shipley Glen with 3T. 3T had a great day - (I'll leave the details for his post) and I had a good time but (a) got pretty much nowhere on Red Baron - and ran out of skin/juice on another 7A+.

W: Anston. BetaBlocker psyche was high. Achievement was low. I got cross.

Thu > Fri Memorial Service near Oxted - long days of travel etc.. with wife and toddler. They stayed on in London, I had TWO nights of no baby :)

Sa: Up early - sketchy forecast (at the outset) so headed to BBG south. Met up with Dolly by the Rib. Never tried it - always wanted to. Conditions were not great - but had a good time, tried a few methods (including Dollys direct one which was too powerful for me) and worked on the snatch to the face crimp, which felt do-able before I got tired of the moves (physically) and moved on. Went to little rascal (never tried it before) and it felt hard. Moved on after losing some skin and went back to the prow in the quarry. By now every man, dog and university climbing club group seemed to be honing in on BBG South... anyway, had a weird first couple of go's on the prow where I felt really strong and did a couple of moves I'd not done before on it - then had core failure (I think) and gave up and went home. Had a day and a half pottering around the house, listening to football and doing little jobs - that I never get to do when the family is at home etc...
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Aussiegav on November 04, 2018, 09:22:53 pm
M:
rest & stretch
T:
indoor session @Awesome Walls.
warm up (40sec effort:20 sec rest) of
jumping jacks / burpees / brazilian kicks / in & outs / flutter kicks / Mountain climbers / push ups
hang board half crimp protocol
routes:
5+, 5+, 6a+, 6a+, 6b+, 6b, 6a+.
stretch

W.
rest & stretch

Th:
bouldering @awesome walls
warm up (40sec effort:20 sec rest) of
jumping jacks / burpees / brazilian kicks / in & outs / flutter kicks / Mountain climbers / push ups
hang board half crimp protocol
6 problems from V0 to V3.
then 8 problems V2 to V4 with 2 min rest between. concentrate on perfect form and completion.

stretch

F: rest & Stretch

Sa:
Indoor @Awesome Walls (fingerboard and 3x4 routes)
Good session, the PDSA on #fingerboard warm up is working well.
Good session at Awesome Walls today, the PDSA on #fingerboard warm up is working well.
stretch afterwards.

warm up (40sec effort:20 sec rest) of
jumping jacks / burpees / brazilian kicks / in & outs / flutter kicks / Mountain climbers / push ups
hang board half crimp protocol
max strength protocol

I managed to do three reps with 2 finger hangs off the shallow 2 finger pocket (#12) on the #Beastmaker. The first two reps were on the deep 2 finger pocket (#8). pleased with this.

finished with 2 sets of 3x4 routes on auto belay.
route grades 5, 4+, 5+.

Su.
core session.
5 rds of 1min plank, 10 V sit ups, 10 arches, 10 leg raises, 10 crunches, 20 knee to elbows.

off to El Chorro on the 14th.
route suggestions around 6a to 6b are welcomed via PM.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Murph on November 05, 2018, 07:16:48 am
Cheers TT

M-7k run, kbs, core
T-great hour or so session at a damp G with measles. Bovine went in a oner (again) and then a few goes on a wet ovine. Not sure but if it had been dry maybe it would have gone. It’s all about the moment anyway.
Later on I did something bad to my left shoulder with a 32kg kb. Oops.
W-6k run, stretches, core
T-5k run, tentative works session on the 6A/B circuit. Shoulder felt ok until suddenly it didn’t feel ok.
F-5k run.
S-9k run.
S-might have been able to get out but didn’t want to risk it and instead sorted out the garage so I can use my board and trx. It’s a useable space once again.

And that was it. That’s what a half term looks like. Seven days off work and managed an hour of contact time with a bit of wet rock and a bit of a shoulder tweak.  :shrug:

Also finally got hold of John Kettles Rock Climbing Technique. It’s concise and to the point. Full of actionable drills and self diagnosis. Really quite good. In contrast I always found self-coached climber a bit impenetrable. Doesn’t take long to get through it but really need to take it to a wall and actually do the self assessment tests and then work deliberately on the drills. Easier said than done.

Weight 64.9kg from 67.5k a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: duncan on November 05, 2018, 08:54:32 am

Also finally got hold of John Kettles Rock Climbing Technique. It’s concise and to the point. Full of actionable drills and self diagnosis. Really quite good. In contrast I always found self-coached climber a bit impenetrable. Doesn’t take long to get through it but really need to take it to a wall and actually do the self assessment tests and then work deliberately on the drills. Easier said than done.

Yes to all that. I need to work through it properly before I can draw any conclusions so I’m planning to do one drill every time I go to the wall. Movement is probably not my biggest weakness but I’m a bit 2D front-on at times and it’s not something I’ve tried addressing much. It will be interesting to see if I can increase my repertoire at all and to what extent this carries over to real-world stressful climbing.

STG: strength work (bouldering / fingerboard) 2-3 times a week. Manage aches and pains. Do a Kettle movement drill each time I go to the wall.
MTG: a proper 7b+ this year.
LTG: a classic Pembroke E5; 5.13 at 60

M - Siurana
T - Siurana (see 452)
W -
T - Vauxwall east. Bouldering to c.V2
F -
S - Vauxwall west. Bouldering to c.V2 including some non-slabs. Hip and knee strength work.
S - Remounted fingerboard and had a tryout to test the carpentry. Still a couple of degrees overhanging but seems solid and I can now hold the 13mm edges. Shoulder strength work.

Elbow, shoulders, hip and knee all creaky but felt like I was training nearly as much as rehabilitating this week.

Plan: shoulder, knee and hip strength/conditioning twice weekly. Gradually build up the bouldering, 2-3 per week.



Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Will Hunt on November 05, 2018, 09:39:16 am
M -

T - Evening Depot. Warmed up then 30 board for a bit. Repeated the thing I did last time which felt easy. Did another easier problem. Tried some stuff that Ben showed me. Don't think I did any of them but I was psyched to come back and try them again. Went back out into the main room and was messing about on a Wood near the end when I felt something in my trapezius go. Damn.

W - Agony. Couldn't drive to work so worked from home. This is an old injury that I think has nothing to do with climbing and everything to do with posture. Basically, I tweak something in my neck/shoulder and then I have lots of pain and tension in my trap for a few days after.

T - Improving. Some friends were going to the Glen for a lamp session so I went along to heckle/spot/dispense the locally accredited beta. Put my shoes on and spent a long time warming up by repeating most of the problems in the Manson's Wall area (which were new to the people I was with). I love this circuit because most of them are knacky and when you've done them a million times before you can path them and make yourself look much better than you are. Did one which I hadn't done before called Omo (the wall left of Daz without using the arete) which requires using the worst crimp you're ever likely to find on a 6B. Took a few goes. Also did an eliminate I've not thought to do before going up the dead centre of Manson's/Phil's Wall. Basically you use the right hand holds of Manson's and the left hand holds of Phil's. Climbs like a mirror image of Manson's and not much harder.
They then moved to try Red Baron and I had another look at the Roof, which I haven't looked at since early 2017. Disturbingly, I did do the moves through the roof, but never really well enough to satisfactorily get established on the lip. The crux of the climb for me is switching body direction to have the right heel on the lip of the roof. I can do this without cutting loose, but then I don't get my heel far enough back on the lip to the good bit where it really needs to be. I can do it with a cut loose but this is loads harder and you really need to have your left hand arranged on the crimp very precisely to hold on. It's obviously more draining as well which is not really what you want when you're aiming to finish up a 7A+ power problem. Doing it with the cut loose means you generally get your heel into the correct position.
Horribly, this was all a relative resounding success which means I will need to have another session on it. Probably not too frequently as it really rags the skin in a few weird non-tip places.

Neck/shoulder was actually fine once I'd warmed up and, if anything, I think being mobile helped it.

F -

S - Wife was playing hockey in the afternoon so I managed a very brief sub-2 hour session at Earl. Wind was howling over the top but just swirling around the base of the crag so conditions were surprisingly decent. Warmed up on the multitude of easy bangers which Earl offers. I've never really thought about this before but Earl must be the most undervalued bouldering crag in Yorkshire? I'm not saying it's esoteric - plenty of people go. But my peers probably go once, maybe twice a year, and it doesn't seem to be on the radar at all of a lot of newer climbers. When you compare the quality of the climbs and the traffic against Almscliff or Caley, Earl seems disproportionately undertrafficed.
Anyway, did that Hammer Drop thing that Sutty added recently. The climbing is really very good, but the climb is spoiled by the dab potential. Some nice flowy moves out from the roof (someone should do a proper sit start) lead to a very big slap to the top - the crux is not dabbing on the block behind you. Had to remove the pad from the block for the send go. Well worth doing if you're there and you want to do another 7A - not really worth making the journey for. Moved onto The Flakes and was just getting into it and really enjoying the movement and working out the body positions when I took a flap of skin off my tip.

This is so frustrating. I knew my skin was thin (still, from Slipstones two weeks ago where a sharp mono put a hole in my index finger) and I'd purposely chosen the Flakes over Sloping Beauty as it's not really sharp. I don't know if the starting hold did it or the hold out left that I'd just slapped to. I'm going to have to be very careful with this as I've a weekend in Northumberland coming up in three weeks so can't afford any more skin fuckery.
Might start a separate thread about skin but I know it'll just be demolished by Chris and 2T making skin puns.

S - day out with the nipper. Took her to see the Haworth Brass Band. She absolutely loved it.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: tomtom on November 05, 2018, 09:42:24 am
Might start a separate thread about skin but I know it'll just be demolished by Chris and 2T making skin puns.

Too easy... fish in a barrel, side of a barn etc... ;)
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: cheque on November 05, 2018, 10:57:42 am
Rehab Diaries Week Eleven

STG- Leading HVS/ low 6s & carrying normal loads to crags by end Sept 2019.

M- Did some basic strength in the day- 3 sets of 5 pullups and 3 sets of 15 pushups. Surprised how easy the latter felt given I hadn't done any since my accident- I guess all the crutching I did contributed to that.

I then went back to Horseshoe Quarry for some hanging-on-a-rope mental training, determined to go to the top of the wall. Did it four times :dance1: The first was hard and I had to talk to myself the whole way up & down. A helicopter flew overhead when I was near the top and I had full-on flashbacks, feeling faint, gibbering etc. Each time I was coming down I was telling myself that I'd done well and that was enough for one day but when I was back on the floor I took a minute with my harness still on then went for it again. By the last go it felt normal. I can't tell you how happy I am with this session.  ;D

T- Rest.

W- Gym. Standard 30 minutes on the bike, increased the levels by 1 as usual to keep it desperate.

T- 3 sets of 6 pullups, 3 sets of 20 pushups. Walk in the evening.

F- Walk in the evening.

S- Walk around Lawrencefield area in the afternoon.

S- Foundry Autobelays AM. Did a 6a+ in the furnace surprisingly easily so just decided to "boulder on a rope" by working 6b+s that I wasn't going to get up. Had a great session and was making surprising progress on them. The combination of the strength- and fitness-recovery stuff I've been doing with the recent height-acclimatisation just seems to have put me back in a position where I can push myself in a meaningful way climbing-wise. For the first time since my accident I was falling off trying.

Went out testing my gimbal in the afternoon. This is the only time my back's properly hurt this week!

Great week altogether. Can't remember the last time I had so much fun at a climbing wall.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Will Hunt on November 05, 2018, 11:46:41 am
Rehab Diaries Week Eleven

STG- Leading HVS/ low 6s & carrying normal loads to crags by end Sept 2019.

M- Did some basic strength in the day- 3 sets of 5 pullups and 3 sets of 15 pushups. Surprised how easy the latter felt given I hadn't done any since my accident- I guess all the crutching I did contributed to that.

I then went back to Horseshoe Quarry for some hanging-on-a-rope mental training, determined to go to the top of the wall. Did it four times :dance1: The first was hard and I had to talk to myself the whole way up & down. A helicopter flew overhead when I was near the top and I had full-on flashbacks, feeling faint, gibbering etc. Each time I was coming down I was telling myself that I'd done well and that was enough for one day but when I was back on the floor I took a minute with my harness still on then went for it again. By the last go it felt normal. I can't tell you how happy I am with this session.  ;D

T- Rest.

W- Gym. Standard 30 minutes on the bike, increased the levels by 1 as usual to keep it desperate.

T- 3 sets of 6 pullups, 3 sets of 20 pushups. Walk in the evening.

F- Walk in the evening.

S- Walk around Lawrencefield area in the afternoon.

S- Foundry Autobelays AM. Did a 6a+ in the furnace surprisingly easily so just decided to "boulder on a rope" by working 6b+s that I wasn't going to get up. Had a great session and was making surprising progress on them. The combination of the strength- and fitness-recovery stuff I've been doing with the recent height-acclimatisation just seems to have put me back in a position where I can push myself in a meaningful way climbing-wise. For the first time since my accident I was falling off trying.

Went out testing my gimbal in the afternoon. This is the only time my back's properly hurt this week!

Great week altogether. Can't remember the last time I had so much fun at a climbing wall.

The mental training sounds like a good idea, Mike and it sounds like you're making it a positive experience rather than repeatedly forcing yourself to endure negative experiences which I don't think would help. I'm sure you're aware of this but the way you describe feeling on seeing and hearing the helicopter suggests PTSD (caveat: I am not a mental health professional). It sounds like you're managing it remarkably well but if it gets worse or perhaps if it doesn't improve then there is help out there. I'm sure Lagers or Webbo could point you in the right direction if you felt the need.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: AMorris on November 05, 2018, 12:09:19 pm
Been lurking this thread for some time so I thought it's about time for a post!

Recent trip up north to visit friends yielded a few good sessions on sandstone

S- A day in Thirlstane. Lovely and very impressive place with excellent, burly sandstone. Managed to drag my way up the amusingly named Jihad (7A) and Infidel (7B) before having a crack at Hardcore Superstar (7C). Unfortunately the tide seemed to race me to the finish line while working the moves and made the start unfeasible. I did consider downclimbing into the start above the sea to try it but thought better of it. While the tide blocked ascents of the problems closer to the shore I managed to spy a new line, which I climbed and named Welsh Marauder (~7A+). By the time I had enjoyed the beach and tried the easier problems etc the tide had gone back out again, allowing me to finish off Hardcore Superstar first try.

M- Back to Newcastle, and went for a climb in the new Valley wall. Great place with excellent panels. First time on a Beastmaker board and it revealed some hitherto unrealised weaknesses!

T- Rest. And pub crawl.

W- Valley again for some slab action, and skin ruining moonboarding.

T- Testing my topping out skills at Shaftoe. Nabbed ascents of some lovely lines on the font block, though I did not find the solution to Surprising Solution. Managed to get up Purely Belter (~7C/+ imo), which surely tested my lack of top out problem solving, which made it all the more satisfying. Also rolled over the top of Nebs Roof on the flash. First look at Bloodsport, which with one pad I did not fancy...

F- Rest. Back to Aberystwyth.

S- Training. Some promising ascents of my harder problems and progression on some projects.

All in all a great weeks climbing which has left me feeling refreshed and focused for the home straight of my PhD.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: tommytwotone on November 05, 2018, 12:20:19 pm
Goal: New Font 7anything, anywhere


Having complained about this thread becoming "Griff's Club" looks like this week it's "Glen Club".


M: Shipley Glen with TT, ostensibly to revisit Millstone Grip / Rudolph, which I'd bottled while on my own / with only one pad earlier in the month. Got to the crux 3rd go, had a rest and a swig of coffee and then did it the go after that. Quite exciting as my left hand crimp slipped / adjusted as I was mid-throw to the jug - not a place you want to be dropping off from out of control!


Went down to Red Baron area to show TT the stuff down there and ended up jumping on Phil's Wall, which I'd never got on with on account of its rep for being pretty reachy. After some quality beta tweaks from TT found myself on top of it. Made up. As I'm a shortarse I'm taking the full 7a+ for it.


T: Nowt.
W: Nowt.
T: Nowt.
F: Big Depot evening. Warmup on boulders, then tried a bit of easy campusing. Finished off the V5 that had been annoying me last time, only to find that the end moves (and crux) had been made easier. Hey ho.
S: Nowt.
S: Nowt.


Well happy to have ticked off my goal, first 7a I've done in a long, long time. Think it's a case of it just being something that suited my style but that doesn't stop me being psyched.




Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: 36chambers on November 05, 2018, 12:29:10 pm
Well happy to have ticked off my goal, first 7a I've done in a long, long time. Think it's a case of it just being something that suited my style but that doesn't stop me being psyched.

Nice one 3T :beer2:
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Nibile on November 05, 2018, 12:32:28 pm
Power Club

Mon - complex: deadlift x3 and farmer's walk x30" x10 70% (90 kg). Hard.
Tue - rest.
Wed - rest.
Thu - long board session with friends, big volume!
Fri - ab wheel static; overhead barbell lunges 4x3; overhead walk 30", high pulls x10, overhead walk 30" complex x 3, 36 kg. Brutal. Abs.
Sat - basket game a few months after injuring my right collateral ligament. Not bad at all.
Sun - weights, clean, press, high pull complex 10x10 20 kg, 10x1 30 kg. Farmer's 60% (80 kg) 1'x5. Tiring. Right knee very sore after playing with kids on Saturday night.

Glad about the climbing, managed a good volume and for me that's newsworthy. Also got to holds 19/20 on my infamous circuit at the end of the session. Not bad.
Concerned about the knee: was quite fine after playing basketball, but I think I strained it in the evening kneeling down while playing with kids. I hope it's not a meniscus again.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: cheque on November 05, 2018, 12:33:44 pm
first 7a I've done in a long, long time.

Rock on Tommy.   ;D

The mental training sounds like a good idea, Mike and it sounds like you're making it a positive experience rather than repeatedly forcing yourself to endure negative experiences which I don't think would help. I'm sure you're aware of this but the way you describe feeling on seeing and hearing the helicopter suggests PTSD (caveat: I am not a mental health professional). It sounds like you're managing it remarkably well but if it gets worse or perhaps if it doesn't improve then there is help out there. I'm sure Lagers or Webbo could point you in the right direction if you felt the need.

Oh yeah, I've still got mental stuff to go through, I just don't post about it on here. Since I've passed a critical point with the physical recovery it seems my brain's now got the space to deal with the unresolved mental issues. I'm waiting to get an appointment with an NHS counsellor at the moment and I've been allowed by my boss to work from home if I feel I need to- when I do I start early enough to give myself an early enough finish to get out while it's still light, hence the weekday walks etc. I post on here.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: yetix on November 05, 2018, 12:37:42 pm
2 weeks as I forgot to post last week:

M: Depot, working through yellows followed by some max hangs on 18mm and 8mm
T: Rest
W: Cave, ticked another 7A+ warming up then worked at RA and LF a little more, felt weak and tired on RA compared to the previous week. LF made some microgains though.
T: Rest
F: Moonboard ticking more benchmarks
S: Moonboard ticking more benchmarks - should have taken a rest day!
S: Rest

M: Max hangs on 18mm and 12mm (didn't have access to micros)
T: Rest
W: Depot, working through yellows followed by some max hangs on 18mm and 8mm
T: Social session at BUK, did a few laps of the easy circuit board and ticked a few few problems.
F: Rest
S: Cave, ticked 2 7Bs and pulled onto RA - didn't feel right so pulled on LF and made decent progress before somehow creating a crater in my finger from catching a hold wrong. Had a big rest and did a little belaying then started working the middle section of Left Wall High.
S: Indoors volume session at the depot with the other half for 90 mins followed by 30 mins on the 30, like the new holds added the board, might started using this a little more.

A couple of busy weeks looking at it combined with some illness, should probably try and reduce the volume a little this week really.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: shark on November 05, 2018, 01:46:05 pm
11.2-3 average 156.7lbs no change on last week

M.

T. Noon. Malham. Up with Paul, Guy and Ethan. Climbed with Guy. Cloudy, cool then cold and mint. Broke out new pair of Whites. 2 x F&EE then dogged up the Oak to warm up managing throw straight off. First go foot slipped at undercut by third bolt. Next go climbed well and got the horn but slipped off it. Walked to top of Cove and back. Felt nicely warmed up and focussed but redpoint attempt disrupted by James shouting beta just below me up to Paul on the Bat Route crux breaking my concentration and then Guy short-roped me as I was setting up for the throw. Lost my rag as evidenced in the unedifying video below where its pretty obvious who the real cunt is. Final go similar to first. Rest then attempt to do horn to top but not got the beans. Despite shenanigans and not having a breakthrough went away feeling more positive on how I felt climbing and looking forward to going back Friday

W Out to Stanage to go soloing. Felt unnerved on the VS’s to begin with then warmed into it. The Scoop may have been a first for me. Nice sunset, rock turned golden doing Easter Rib. All very Adam Long. 

T

F Cancelled going to Malham previous evening as forecast changed and looked like it would be too sunny like previous friday. Dragged my sorry arse back to Stanage Popular starting further along. Seemed to end up in situations Ive been in before. Failed on Second Wind (no mat, no spotter) but did Swings to its right which was a new one for me and very good. Got a small scare on Another Game of Bowls Sir Walter when my hand slipped in a rounded break when doing a move as it was a bit green but that wasn’t apparent from below. Did the first move Archeron but then bailed right doing a precarious toe traverse on the hand rail of the VS and Im sure that’s happened before as had repeatedly failing to do the small pop for the break on the first move of Morrisons Redoubt.Finished on Paucity which I’ve always enjoyed.
   
S

S Malham with Paul. Surprisingly mild. Conditions OK. 4 redpoints – 2 of them touching the horn. Disappointing. Going back for a final session for the year on Weds.   

Gutted about performance on the Oak this season especially as all other projects were subsumed to this as primary goal. Not really sure quite why I did so badly as came to it stronger and with a decent amount of climbing volume behind me. A major re-think required in how I’m going to prep for the Spring.


NSFW  :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFr0SJkqVhU
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: jamesturnbull97 on November 05, 2018, 01:58:10 pm
M. 

T. Malham x2 redpoints on Raining Bats and Dogs. First go off my usual stopper flick move at the end of the traverse. Second go feel the most solid I’ve been on it, managed to get all the way through to the bug move feeling really fresh and hit the hold perfectly but for some reason failed to hold on leaving me sat on the rope felling like that was the go I should have done it. 

W. YYFY!! Early morning session at Malham for one last ditch effort, rock felt cold warming up on Consenting but not too bad to cope with. First redpoint fought my way through the trav getting to the clip not feeling anywhere near of fresh as Tuesdays go but really fired up knowing that this was probably my last good go on it for the year. Stuck the big move for the first time then don’t think I’ve ever been so worried about dropping a route fighting though the last few tricky moves to the crimp rail where a quick extremely tense shakeout ensued before to final few move to the belay. Absolutely made up to have got it done just in the nick of time, by far the hardest route I’ve done and one of the best too. Just planted the seed even more for getting on Rainshadow in the couple of seasons.

T. Met Mina at Manchester airport to jet off for a month of crushing (hopefully) in the RRG

F. First day in The Red, took it relatively easy to just get moving and recover from a bit of jet lag. Met Tanya and Neil at the Motherlode and had a good mileage day on the warm up wall and undertow wall.  11c, 11a, 12a, 12a, 12b, 12d, 12b all onsight best of the bunch was probably Harvest, the rock is amazing and you get ridiculously pumped! Awesome to see Tanya smash out 40 ounces of justice while chatting with Neil most of the way up.

S. Purgatory. A couple of really nice 5.11 warm ups then Mina wanted to try Lucifer 14c to scope out as a proj for the trip so though I may as well try it as well, had a couple of goes ad did all the move so has potential but it’s deciding how long I want to spend on one route when there’s the whole of the RRG to go at. I’ll give it another session see how it feels from there.

S. Beer Trailer Crag. Wouldn’t normally do three days on but the forecast look a bit sketch for Monday and it was Tanya and Neil’s last day so was nice to climb with them again. Fun bouldery 12a to warm up, failed on another stern 12a warm up. Then with good start beta from Neil both flashed amazing 12d (Darkness Falls) through some steep roof systems. Managed to finish off by fluking are ways up Falls City a pretty sort punchy 13b 3rd go. Psyched for a rest day now.

 

Made up to get RBAD done and relieved have got done before The Red, just! First impressions of the RRG are very good, keep turning up a new crag and seems to be amazing routes everywhere, hard to know where to begin.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 05, 2018, 03:31:00 pm
Good work Cheque, TTT and James. Must go and do Red Baron/try RRR this winter.

M - rest.

T - rest.

W - fingerboard and core. Dreadful on the fingerboard which was disappointing; kept sliding off the holds. Note to self; turn radiator in hall off on Wednesday mornings! Going to stick with the current routine of repeaters until I am properly done with routes until the spring. Can anyone recommend a max hang protocol to follow over the winter? I have a BM 2000 and a lattice rung to mess around on but no micros or similar ratty holds. Presume this would tend towards adding some weight to a given hold, perhaps bottom outside on the 2000? Ideas welcome.

T - Depot. Contributed to the Steve Dunning retirement fund by taking out a monthly pass, which should also ensure I go a few times a week consistently. Unfortunately I'd woken up with my back in spasm and could barely move. Significantly better by the time I went to the wall but mostly did circuits to minimise pain potential.

F - rest.

S - Malham. Predator. Same story; 3 goes up but shut down on the heel sequence around the ear. Better above and below it though. Soft old shoes didn't help matters; decided to try the stiffer ones the next day.

S - Back again. Really slick on the bottom half now but no joy. Best go was the last one where I hit the wafer sidepull but didnt hang it to get the heel up. Had a rest and lowered down to the rest before linking it from there through the heel sequence; the first time I have done that section of climbing not off the rope, if that makes sense. New shoes better!

Slightly irritating to get shut down on one sequence when the rest has come together so well, but c'est la vie. Will be back next weekend if the weather allows it to stay dry, but more likely than not its a job for the spring. I don't need to get stronger for it, just fitter, but getting both stronger and fitter would be nice and open doors elsewhere on the crag.

Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: nai on November 05, 2018, 04:54:45 pm
Some Good arrows this week, nice on fellas

Half term innit

M nowt

T - System board. OK but couldn't move on small crimps at the end. Intended to do core as well but the fight to keep feet in place at full stretch seemed to have already done the trick.

W rest

Th - Anston, decent session including a flash* of 2t's new link, The Wookie, thought it was a bit easier than he did
* having done all the individual moves before but not in that order.

F - Leg day (Squats, lunges, hip thrust and sack swing).  Core

S - 10s hangs & TRX. This was session 9 of this block, seem to be levelling off so maybe time to switch protocols. Need to decide whther to go for Repeaters or Max hangs.

S rest

Missed AeroCap this week and everything else was squeezed in but not bad consdering.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: SA Chris on November 05, 2018, 04:57:52 pm
Back from Florida holiday at 14 st. 14st! not really been close to that in about 5 years.

Anyway, back on the wagon. On Monday i realised Saturday was the first round of Winter Bouldering League,and I hadn't even done so much as a pullup 3 1/2 weeks.

M- fingerboard session - actually felt OK.
T - nowt
W - after taking kids guising I managed to get a short wall session. Actually felt I was moving reasonably well, but couldn't even do a single campus move on the biggest rugs. Disappointing
T - nothing, felt achey
F - nothing felt OK.
S - comp. Actually climbed OK, just one error using duff beta on an easy problem, all the hard stuff just shut me down like everyone else.  Crowded though, proper having to elbow in on probs. Finished 3rd i think.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: nai on November 05, 2018, 04:58:23 pm
Going to stick with the current routine of repeaters until I am properly done with routes until the spring.
Can anyone recommend a max hang protocol to follow over the winter?

I'd have a thonk about whether you want to be doing repeaters while you're also trying to redpoint. I stick to 10s hangs @ c95% during performance phases so that I'm retaining strength wothout exhausting myself, then mix up repeaters, max & sub max during training phases.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 05, 2018, 05:16:11 pm
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I'd have a thonk about whether you want to be doing repeaters while you're also trying to redpoint.

Interesting. My logic was that I have the required finger strength to do the moves but not the endurance; the tank is a bit empty by the time I get to the hard section. I concluded that weighted repeaters on a reasonable edge might help this, and very soon after starting doing them I was on redpoint as previously hard moves weren't gassing me. Might just be coincidence though. Either way I've likely only got one more weekend left before it gets wet probably!

I forgot to say that im trying to use all my fingers on the holds whether doing repeaters or max hangs as the pockets on the BM2000 are tweaky I find.

When you say max, what does this entail in practice?
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: nai on November 05, 2018, 05:58:56 pm
Ok, I use it mid season as a method of not losing my gains rather than trying to gain endurance, I'd probably do some laddering or something if I wanted an endurance top up.

Max to me is doing hangs to failure and aiming to hang for 6-10s. I start at a point I can manage 6s then stick at that until I manage 10s then up the weight.  Cycle that with Repeaters and 95% 10s hangs.
 
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Will Hunt on November 05, 2018, 07:01:56 pm
Felt nicely warmed up and focussed but redpoint attempt disrupted by James shouting beta just below me up to Paul on the Bat Route crux breaking my concentration and then Guy short-roped me as I was setting up for the throw. Lost my rag as evidenced in the unedifying video below where its pretty obvious who the real cunt is.
NSFW  :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFr0SJkqVhU

Right, I'm just popping out to Malham with a full gut and some bog roll. Brb.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: teestub on November 05, 2018, 07:17:12 pm
Felt nicely warmed up and focussed but redpoint attempt disrupted by James shouting beta just below me up to Paul on the Bat Route crux breaking my concentration and then Guy short-roped me as I was setting up for the throw. Lost my rag as evidenced in the unedifying video below where its pretty obvious who the real cunt is.
NSFW  :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFr0SJkqVhU

I assume you know James from being a fellow midweek climber, perhaps a polite word before you set off would have lead to you being in a better frame of mind? No excuse for the hosing from Guy though!
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Will Hunt on November 05, 2018, 07:19:41 pm
Disappointing. Going back for a final session for the year on Weds.   

Gutted about performance on the Oak this season especially as all other projects were subsumed to this as primary goal. Not really sure quite why I did so badly as came to it stronger and with a decent amount of climbing volume behind me. A major re-think required in how I’m going to prep for the Spring.

I want to weigh in here. If this is your attitude then don't bother making the trip, go and do something else. You're talking about it like its already a foregone conclusion that you won't get up it. You had a really good session earlier in the week. There's no reason you can't achieve that same level, or better, level of performance on your next session.

I have followed your Oak campaign over the years off and on and in the past I've thought you were on the verge of doing it. That's not from seeing you in it, it's just from reading your posts. This year I've been thinking you won't do it - again, that's just from reading your posts. I don't think you believe you can do it. I've not read Jerry's book, but it doesn't take a sports psychologist to know that this is not a winning attitude. I suggest that before your next trip north you record yourself screaming "I AM JERRY MOFFATT; I AM THE BEST" and listen to that on repeat on your drive.

Also, what Stubbs said. I found it distracting in the video. You definitely should have said something before setting off.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: petejh on November 05, 2018, 07:36:35 pm
I thought you looked good and sharp on that lower wall Simon, and counter to those suggesting trying to be in a 'better frame of mind' - which hasn't done the trick for you to date - I think a more angry, even slightly aggressive and forceful frame of mind might serve you better provided you can channel it into the moves and not at your belayer/fellow climbers.. The Oak's a power route after all, need a bit of forcefulness unless it's within your comfort zone. Maybe go on the days you're most pissed off and unleash it into the moves!
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: teestub on November 05, 2018, 07:45:57 pm
‘Better frame of mind’ does not have to mean zen like calm, like someone way smarter than me said, routes have been climbed in every state of mind. What I did however mean is not distracted, which is not going to help you at any point.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Steve R on November 05, 2018, 07:47:20 pm
F - .....hip thrust and sack swing)...

Are you treating these as separate protocols?  With correct form, the latter should be epiphenomenal to the former....

sorry going for a session on my board now
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Doylo on November 05, 2018, 07:54:16 pm
I usually find when I try and get angry with something I climb shit. It’s that sweet spot between aggressive and relaxed that you need. Not easy to find. I find it hard with people chatting especially about inane stuff.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: shark on November 05, 2018, 07:59:52 pm


I assume you know James from being a fellow midweek climber, perhaps a polite word before you set off would have lead to you being in a better frame of mind?

Yes but having a word like that can break my concentration and makes you feel self-conscious though I nearly did and have done on other occasions. I thought he was about to stop. A few grunts usually gives enough of a hint but this time it didn’t.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: 36chambers on November 05, 2018, 08:06:51 pm
the catwalk sounds like a barrel of laughs
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: dunnyg on November 05, 2018, 08:12:28 pm
Ill lend you a rope if you want a change of scene from the grit
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: shark on November 05, 2018, 08:12:41 pm
I thought you looked good and sharp on that lower wall Simon, and counter to those suggesting trying to be in a 'better frame of mind' - which hasn't done the trick for you to date - I think a more angry, even slightly aggressive and forceful frame of mind might serve you better provided you can channel it into the moves and not at your belayer/fellow climbers.. The Oak's a power route after all, need a bit of forcefulness unless it's within your comfort zone. Maybe go on the days you're most pissed off and unleash it into the moves!

Thanks Pete - yes I need to be forceful and not hold back as well as being really precise - the interesting challenge is being both. And remembering to breathe and do all those subtle body moves and move initiations. To climb like you really care and don’t care at the same time. Does your head in
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: shark on November 05, 2018, 08:16:36 pm
I usually find when I try and get angry with something I climb shit. It’s that sweet spot between aggressive and relaxed that you need. Not easy to find. I find it hard with people chatting especially about inane stuff.

This
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: teestub on November 05, 2018, 08:25:17 pm

Yes but having a word like that can break my concentration and makes you feel self-conscious though I nearly did and have done on other occasions. I thought he was about to stop. A few grunts usually gives enough of a hint but this time it didn’t.

More or less self conscious than shouting ‘shut up’ and then ‘cunt’? Was there a reason you had to climb in the next few minutes? If something isn’t right on something you’ve spent so much time on, it seems daft to waste a redpoint burn when you could just take 10 and get back into the correct frame of mind.

Sorry for joining the ‘telling Shark what to do on the Oak’ quiz, but this seems like it could be a small learning point.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: abarro81 on November 05, 2018, 08:28:33 pm
Weirdly enough, I think I find silence more distracting than inane background chat/beta. I've had to chat shit in rests plenty of times just to relieve the pressure of the silence of half a crag stopping a watching. Telling people to be quiet, whether beforehand or during, would probably totally raz me out and pile the pressure on.. but I can see why others might be different
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: measles23 on November 05, 2018, 08:34:58 pm
Weight 64.9kg from 67.5k a few weeks ago.

Fucker, thought I was beating you for once - those bulging delts make you look fatter somehow

65.8kg

M- nul
T- Griff’s club with murph; silly wet though murph crushed bovine and I did ovine; linked mutton bustin to peel off the soaked sloperjug at the end of the hardness..
Secondary fingerboard session - 6 sets bw or +10 on bm2k smalls.
W- nul
T- Strength Asylum: Superset DL/1 armers - 8 sets DL up to 210 (small numbers compared to last spring but 3.2BW - a right grinder but the Beast was egging me on, so found some deep well of vanity to help lock it out). Managed good quality +10kg 1 armer on left; slightly less convincing on right..
Stoke AW 2 hrs - totally shut down by glassiness from using antihydral 6 days previously (teestub was right)
F- nul
S- surprise day pass - Griff’s club 3hrs - still silly wet, but linked mutton bustin to fall off the wet pinch at the top; not quite sure what I’m trying to prove here, as climbing wet isn’t really fun although it’s beginning to look as if it could happen..
Secondary fingerboard session - 10 sets bw or +10kg on bm2k smalls
Strength Asylum 60 min treadmill
S- Strength Asylum - 8 sets DL with 4 singles at 180; trying to alter setup to stop leaning forward too much. 3 sets bw 1 armer singles
Stoke AW 3 hrs mainly v3-v5 white circuit to start getting head into comp mode for next Wednesday .. Glassiness now worn off at last

Bellowing baldy fail:
https://vimeo.com/299078506 (https://vimeo.com/299078506)
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Doylo on November 05, 2018, 08:40:45 pm
Weirdly enough, I think I find silence more distracting than inane background chat/beta.

That’s why you need the Real Thing soundtrack on  ;)
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: shark on November 05, 2018, 08:42:26 pm
More or less self conscious than shouting ‘shut up’ and then ‘cunt’? Was there a reason you had to climb in the next few minutes? If something isn’t right on something you’ve spent so much time on, it seems daft to waste a redpoint burn when you could just take 10 and get back into the correct frame of mind.

I’m not an introvert and that’s not the point.

I was in the right state of mind and ready to go ie in the zone. Asking for quiet would have broken the spell. Got warmed up with a long walk to top of Cove, done some fingerboard recruitment, stripped off and ready to go. So went.

As I said I thought James was about to stop and if not then notice that I’d started.

Anyway the reason I fell off was that Guy short roped me.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: tomtom on November 05, 2018, 08:47:14 pm
Weirdly enough, I think I find silence more distracting than inane background chat/beta.

That’s why you need the Real Thing soundtrack on  ;)

I know someone who works in an open plan office wearing noise cancelling headphones playing coffee shop background noise... (from an app)

When I’m really in the zone nothing around me distracts me... shouts of encouragement register and help - but equally laughter/general chatter doesn’t matter.

I also find that getting angry does not help my performance when ‘redpointing’ something... all my hard stuff has been done when calm, calculated, smooth and precise. Well that’s what if felt like anyway.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Bradders on November 05, 2018, 08:58:44 pm
Can anyone recommend a max hang protocol to follow over the winter? I have a BM 2000 and a lattice rung to mess around on but no micros or similar ratty holds. Presume this would tend towards adding some weight to a given hold, perhaps bottom outside on the 2000? Ideas welcome.

I made the best gains of my life doing a really simple protocol as ably described by Monkey Boy in the below video.

https://youtu.be/eKwkKaKluuk

I did that in the lead in to last year's grit season, along with climbing on the Depot boards, lots of TRX and just getting out.

More recently I've been mixing it up by doing weighted repeaters in varying hold types and found these beneficial. I think I'd probably agree with you that at this stage, your best bet to squeeze out a tiny little bit extra is to do power endurance as that recruits quicker than strength.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Doylo on November 05, 2018, 08:59:59 pm
I’ve never tried something for 10+ years but I know that after multiple months spanning a year or two on one climb it gets increasingly hard to overcome the fact that you’re so used to failing on it.  You’ve almost trained the failure over 100s of attempts. It’s like muscle memory in reverse.  Your mind and body expects to fall as it has done so many times. Finding a way through this is the crux, and it’s gets magnified the longer it goes on.  10+ years is long time of instilled failure to overcome.  For me the best solution would be to keep it as fresh as possible- short campaigns.  Climb on plenty of other stuff and always trying to find the edge in training that make help the breakthrough.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 05, 2018, 09:01:40 pm
I usually find when I try and get angry with something I climb shit. It’s that sweet spot between aggressive and relaxed that you need. Not easy to find. I find it hard with people chatting especially about inane stuff.

From the Grampians guide, a photo caption reads: "Andrew Lindblade enjoying 'that serene feeling of simultaneous calm and aggression' that only hard climbers and mass murderers seem to experience."
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: shark on November 05, 2018, 09:09:29 pm
One thing I’m going to do is cut it short in the Spring if I don’t get through the horn move in 4 or 5 sessions.

Psychologically if I had ticked one or more of my other projects over the summer then that would have been a great boost. But I didn’t
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: lagerstarfish on November 05, 2018, 09:15:31 pm
Felt nicely warmed up and focussed but redpoint attempt disrupted by James shouting beta just below me up to Paul on the Bat Route crux breaking my concentration and then Guy short-roped me as I was setting up for the throw. Lost my rag as evidenced in the unedifying video below where its pretty obvious who the real cunt is.
NSFW  :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFr0SJkqVhU

Right, I'm just popping out to Malham with a full gut and some bog roll. Brb.

If you ever need a belay, Will, give me a shout
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Bradders on November 05, 2018, 09:25:11 pm
Going to quit lurking on these threads given the recent resurgence:

M - finished work late and got out to Caley at about half 6. Parking totally empty which I thought was weird. Freezing cold conditions but really humid, the combination of which probably explains the empty lay by. Anyway, tried Pedestal Arete Sit. Had 6 goes from the start and dropped the move to the RH dish every time. Couple of goes felt engaged on it and then something would pop. Frustrating. Probably shouldn't have bothered given how humid it was.
T - lunchtime 2 rounds of a circuit of weighted pull ups (x3r @ 20kg), dips (same reps/weight) and TRX Is & Ts
W - rest
T - 4km run at lunch, then very short circuit at the Depot as a warm up for Friday. Literally did a few blues, a couple reds, couple purples and a yellow then stopped
F - Crookrise. Finally tried Ron's II and managed the flash having watched a friend go up first. Then Razor. People seem to have found this easy but I didn't. Fourth session albeit with mitigating factors (training the day before, thin skin from trying other things, unmitigated fear of pinging off the razor, losing my finger tips and impaling myself on the jagged rocks below) always not helping previously. Anyway, did it about fifth go. Still found it terrifying getting my foot up, just feels so bunched. Pleased I don't have to do it again. Then first session of the season on Sole Fusion (tried it briefly on two occasions last whilst working other things). By this point in the day the sun was unrelentingly warm with zero cloud cover and barely any breeze. Massive progress though. Hitting the lip on the jump every go and stuck it a couple of times. Best go was getting my heel up imperfectly meaning it slipped off as I went to bump my RH up to the next sloper.
S - evening Depot session. Managed two yellows and got very close on three others.
S - evening 3km run

Very much looking forward to getting back up to Sole in cold conditions.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Wood FT on November 05, 2018, 09:32:57 pm
I thought you were climbing really well that day, sharp and accurate. Inspired me to try harder, sounds like sucking up but it’s true. I think redpoint aggression is a good thing, and if some of that spills out because I absently minded short-rope you, then so be it.

Anyway, like making a shit round of teas at work, I won’t get asked to belay again, my bouldering grade will increase, I’ll then move to Bishop and become an expert highball boulderer. Having gained the necessary level (v12/13) I will then make a triumphant return to the UK to solo the Oak, this will be filmed by Hot Aches productions and include numerous shots of me topless in Nige’s basement, talking about the journey. At the belay, I’ll clip in and suddenly be congratulated by Shark, who had been hiding inside the undercut by Chiseling.

Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Footwork on November 05, 2018, 09:38:27 pm
this is the best power club in ages.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: tomtom on November 05, 2018, 09:55:55 pm
this is the best power club in ages.

It’s because we’ve all had our beetroot juice like good little soldiers :)
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 05, 2018, 10:27:26 pm

I made the best gains of my life doing a really simple protocol as ably described by Monkey Boy in the below video.

More recently I've been mixing it up by doing weighted repeaters in varying hold types and found these beneficial. I think I'd probably agree with you that at this stage, your best bet to squeeze out a tiny little bit extra is to do power endurance as that recruits quicker than strength.

Thanks, that looks like the ticket! Might have to use the lattice rung at home and a campus rung at the wall to ensure some sort of consistency. What depth is the bottom outside on the 1000?

How long did you do it for? Or did you periodically retest yourself and add more weight to suit?
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: TobyD on November 05, 2018, 10:31:24 pm
Rehab Diaries Week Eleven

Isn't it peculiarly irritating how often helicopters seem to pop up if you have uncomfortable memories of them.

However, a brief plug: https://www.yorkshireairambulance.org.uk
Sell Christmas cards and stuff to raise funds, if anyone is in the market for some.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: shark on November 05, 2018, 10:44:19 pm
Anyway, like making a shit round of teas at work, I won’t get asked to belay again

I might find myself in a similar situation after this..
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: measles23 on November 05, 2018, 11:10:29 pm
Thanks for the video Simon - it does actually look like a really cool route, I can see why it’s captivated you..

Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: shark on November 05, 2018, 11:12:54 pm
Thanks for the video Simon - it does actually look like a really cool route, I can see why it’s captivated you..

The moves are amazing
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Yossarian on November 06, 2018, 09:43:41 am
Weight: 88ish kg

STG: 147, 7ANYTHING, weight down to 85kg
MTG: 7anything
LTG: 8something

M: Felt well-rested and (relatively) strong after lighter end to previous week. Markedly better on my various 45 board problems, and then touched 146 on the campus board - YAY! I think the main reason I didn’t hang it was surprise / shock. Couldn’t repeat it, but nice to know that I should get it next time.
T: Yoga / stretching. Fairly close to flat palms on floor, and side splits improving too.
W: Another good board session. Good progress on something I initially thought was going to be way too hard. Also, need to start doing some other people’s problems I think...
T: Max hangs and weighted pull-ups. Up to +32kg for both.
F: Yoga / stretching
S: New set of shorter problems at the wall, so started trying to flash stuff and then got imbroiled in some frustrating harder things. Didn’t realise how tired I was till I got home.
S: Felt a bit fucked. Ate too much of wife’s birthday cake.

Great to get tangible sense of improvement on the campus board. Generally feeling pretty knackered though, so maybe time for a lighter few days.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Will Hunt on November 06, 2018, 10:05:44 am
Thanks for the video Simon - it does actually look like a really cool route, I can see why it’s captivated you..

The moves are amazing

Is that move that Guy so callously drags you off the infamous "throw to Horn"? That's the crux, yeah?
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: shark on November 06, 2018, 10:26:37 am
Yes, that’s the throw for the horn which is the single hardest move for me and shorties.

The redpoint crux is arguably in the middle of the top traverse holding a Gaston and coming into a side pull which I’ve got past once as well.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Will Hunt on November 06, 2018, 10:32:36 am
Yes, that’s the throw for the horn which is the single hardest move for me and shorties.

The redpoint crux is arguably in the middle of the top traverse holding a Gaston and coming into a side pull which I’ve got past once as well.

Interesting. I've seen footage of the Oak before but never from a camera angle that shows just how short and bouldery it is. If it helps with your self belief, the fact that you've done it 2nd bolt to top, with such a low 2nd bolt is a good proof of concept that you definitely can do it.

I'm going to go as far as to speculate that if you were to do it, and then come back a few weeks later in decent connies and have another go at repeating it without all the pressure and the expectation to fail, you would do it straight off.

Come on, Shark! When you come back from Malham tomorrow you are going to have ticked The Oak!
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 06, 2018, 11:10:16 am

The moves are amazing

It does look really good, although brick hard clearly. Incidentally you're climbing way quicker on that bottom wall than in previous efforts. Got to be good.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: tommytwotone on November 06, 2018, 11:49:25 am
That's the crux, yeah?


That and (from reading reports of this season's attempts), stopping his feet from slipping off.


#uklimestoneproblems
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: SA Chris on November 06, 2018, 12:07:43 pm
#naesloppyploppin'
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: tommytwotone on November 06, 2018, 12:45:04 pm
I'm just amazed that with the contributors to this thread (I'm looking at you Chris, Tom...) nobody's made any lowbrow jokes regarding
Shark getting pulled off by Guy.

First I've heard of someone getting tugged off before getting the horn.

[I'll get me coat]
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: SA Chris on November 06, 2018, 01:18:05 pm
Too easy, like shooting Sharks in a barrel.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Bradders on November 06, 2018, 04:18:47 pm
I made the best gains of my life doing a really simple protocol as ably described by Monkey Boy in the below video.

More recently I've been mixing it up by doing weighted repeaters in varying hold types and found these beneficial. I think I'd probably agree with you that at this stage, your best bet to squeeze out a tiny little bit extra is to do power endurance as that recruits quicker than strength.

Thanks, that looks like the ticket! Might have to use the lattice rung at home and a campus rung at the wall to ensure some sort of consistency. What depth is the bottom outside on the 1000?

How long did you do it for? Or did you periodically retest yourself and add more weight to suit?

I actually just used the bottom edge on the Beastmaker 2000 as that was all I had. Also, I had it mounted on a pull up bar which meant it had a definite slight tilt downwards. Not by much but noticeable when hanging.

I started in March 2017 building up a really big base of fingerboarding, just doing regular (weekly) sessions of repeaters, always in a four finger half crimp, at sub-maximal loads; generally 5 seconds on 5 off for 6 reps. I find this really helps improve my base levels and is great for preventing tweaks which I used to get all the time.

Then in June I did my first 1r max test and managed 12-13s or so at 14kg added. I kept doing repeaters for a few weeks, and then in August started back on the max hangs, doing one or usually two sessions a week, just 5 sets of 10s hangs at 14kg to start with, and by mid-October 2017 had increased up to being steady for 10 seconds at 21kg added.

I'm very aware that those numbers pale into insignificance when compared to others on these threads. Finger strength has always been a real weakness for me though and through November - December I managed things like Tourniquet, Queen Kong Sit, Jason's Roof and Sideliner. Can't say that was definitely a result of the fingerboard as none of those are massively dependent on finger strength, plus I did a really high volume of work (for me) on the TRX and board as well as I say, but I like to think it made a difference.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 06, 2018, 05:24:42 pm

I actually just used the bottom edge on the Beastmaker 2000...

Then in June I did my first 1r max test and managed 12-13s or so at 14kg added. I kept doing repeaters for a few weeks, and then in August started back on the max hangs, doing one or usually two sessions a week, just 5 sets of 10s hangs at 14kg to start with, and by mid-October 2017 had increased up to being steady for 10 seconds at 21kg added.

I'm very aware that those numbers pale into insignificance when compared to others on these threads. Finger strength has always been a real weakness for me though and through November - December I managed things like Tourniquet, Queen Kong Sit, Jason's Roof and Sideliner. Can't say that was definitely a result of the fingerboard as none of those are massively dependent on finger strength, plus I did a really high volume of work (for me) on the TRX and board as well as I say, but I like to think it made a difference.

Thanks for that, really interesting. I may be a weak route climber but those numbers look pretty good to me. I attempted to do a set of repeaters on that edge with 10kg added last week and got totally spanked, probably managed about one rep total!

Will spend a session working out where to start when I get back from Spain in a few weeks and get stuck in. If it helps me get up an 8A over the winter then all the better, but should give a pretty good base for the routes next spring with luck.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Fiend on November 06, 2018, 06:27:14 pm

I actually just used the bottom edge on the Beastmaker 2000 as that was all I had. Also, I had it mounted on a pull up bar which meant it had a definite slight tilt downwards. Not by much but noticeable when hanging.

Which edge is that? The 10mms  on the outside?
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Murph on November 06, 2018, 07:12:25 pm
There Beastmaker fingerboard holds go down to c14mm smallest. Both 1k and 2k, and my measurer says the smalls on the 1k are smaller than on 2k. It’s why I never put my 2k up.

Great thread this.

10 seconds at 21kg added.
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I managed things like Tourniquet, Queen Kong Sit, Jason's Roof and Sideliner.

Thanks for posting this Bradders. Amazing things to tick. It’s a reminder that I really need to work on my weaknesses!!!
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Bradders on November 06, 2018, 07:57:23 pm
Thanks for that, really interesting. I may be a weak route climber but those numbers look pretty good to me. I attempted to do a set of repeaters on that edge with 10kg added last week and got totally spanked, probably managed about one rep total!

Will spend a session working out where to start when I get back from Spain in a few weeks and get stuck in. If it helps me get up an 8A over the winter then all the better, but should give a pretty good base for the routes next spring with luck.

Start slow and build up gradually I reckon. Best of luck with it, glad someone else finds this stuff interesting  :lol:

Which edge is that? The 10mms  on the outside?

The smaller of the two edges you can get four fingers on.

Thanks for posting this Bradders. Amazing things to tick. It’s a reminder that I really need to work on my weaknesses!!!

Ha cheers. I can't touch anything on Peak Lime.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Murph on November 07, 2018, 09:45:19 am
Bradders, I re-read your post and think I had misunderstood. The smalls on the 2k are bottom but the small(er?) smalls on the 1k are higher up. My amazement was a case of mistaken fingerboards.

So I had been thinking 8A+ at +21kgs was some next level Dave Graham / Harry Potter shit :bow:

But half crimp +21 on those little holds is pretty damn strong I reckon. It’s certainly stronger than me. Sure I hang +40 on those holds when I’m going well but I don’t do it in half crimp and couldn’t dream of it. On this forum I’m pretty certain I am one of the strongest (ie crappest) climbers for my grade (7B with one exception) but sounds like you are lots stronger than me certainly in half crimp.

When I next allow myself to get on the fingerboard I’ll turn up here with some more comparable numbers. Of course, I think you said before that you aren’t so hot with drag because of pinkie length. Maybe this drag handicap is a crimp advantage  :shrug:
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: AMorris on November 07, 2018, 02:20:51 pm
There Beastmaker fingerboard holds go down to c14mm smallest. Both 1k and 2k, and my measurer says the smalls on the 1k are smaller than on 2k. It’s why I never put my 2k up.

Never knew this, cheers! How much smaller are they?
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Bradders on November 07, 2018, 02:29:01 pm
Aha fair enough, I can unquestionably confirm that I am not Dave Graham :lol:

I've no idea really, it'd be great to see numbers from other people to compare.

I actually did a 5 set session just yesterday (spoiler alert for next week's PC) and am now steady completing every rep in half crimp at +25kg on those holds. I've not done them for a while, just been focusing on repeaters, but that feels pretty close to my max. Not tried going any higher.

All that said, how you can hold them with an extra 40kg hanging off you, regardless of grip type, is mind boggling to me!
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: yetix on November 07, 2018, 03:49:55 pm
I believe 2k has 14mm edges and the 1k has 12mm edges
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Murph on November 07, 2018, 04:03:56 pm
When I measured it a while back it was with a fabric measure and it’s difficult to measure exactly because of where the back rounds up and the lip rounds down etc. There wasn’t so much as a mm difference when I measured mine and I reckoned the 1k was eversoslightly smaller than the 2k. I was measuring to see whether there was actually any point in taking down the 1k and remounting a 2k. For the purpose of that test, no there wasn’t.

Bradders - thanks for the sneak peek at next week’s entry :)
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: tomtom on November 07, 2018, 04:14:49 pm
Size of hold interests me for this - as given the tip of my fingers (where bone comes to press on flesh and onto hold) is only about 10mm across (depth) then the difference between hanging a 15 to 10 to 6mm edge is about pain endurance and maybe building up some tougher cartridge around the tip... I guess what I’m saying is that the mechanics of the bones, muscles and tendons means you’re not actually having to pull anything any harder with much smaller holds - it just hurts your tips more.

Imagine your finger tips are sky hooks - putting them on a 2, 5, or 10mm edge doesn’t actually alter how much force is being pulled through the hook (your hands/fingers). That’s probably a really crap analogy :D

Well that’s my musings about it...
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 07, 2018, 04:32:18 pm
To be honest, I don't really like the bottom outside on the 2000, its just slightly too small for comfortable hanging. Bottom outside on the 1000 is perfect. I think for the vast majority of people a 2000 is overkill, myself included, but that didn't stop me  getting one! The 1000 has better edges but the 2000 has better slopers. I'm just too weak to hang them.

Maybe the perfect combination is a 2000 and a campus rung, although as Bradders has demonstrated sticking with the bottom outside on the 2000 should get results!
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: 36chambers on November 07, 2018, 05:39:25 pm
Size of hold interests me for this - as given the tip of my fingers (where bone comes to press on flesh and onto hold) is only about 10mm across (depth) then the difference between hanging a 15 to 10 to 6mm edge is about pain endurance and maybe building up some tougher cartridge around the tip... I guess what I’m saying is that the mechanics of the bones, muscles and tendons means you’re not actually having to pull anything any harder with much smaller holds - it just hurts your tips more.

Imagine your finger tips are sky hooks - putting them on a 2, 5, or 10mm edge doesn’t actually alter how much force is being pulled through the hook (your hands/fingers). That’s probably a really crap analogy :D

Well that’s my musings about it...

Sorry if I've misunderstood, but if you're grip position is anything like the classic weight-force-seesaw diagram, the further the weight from the pivot the greater the force. So a smaller edge would require more pull.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Will Hunt on November 07, 2018, 06:06:06 pm
Can we counteract this boring fingerboard chat with either another Shark tantrum or somebody curling out some sewer serpents under Careless Torque? Cheers.

 :tease:
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Steve R on November 07, 2018, 06:09:34 pm
I think he's saying the area that's loaded when 1/2 crimped, ie. the area that would leave a fingerprint after a hang is ~10mm deep. therefore any edge size that goes from just able to accommodate fingerprint depth (~10mm) up to still inside first joint and therefore necessitates same grip type (~15mm) should, in theory, be the same.  In practice, I guess the grip type changes a little between these two extremes (eg. crimp angle drops a little on biggger edge giving a bigger 'fingerprint'?)  which is why a ~15mm edge will empirically be easier than a ~10 mm edge.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Steve R on November 07, 2018, 06:44:02 pm
actually, having re-read what Tom wrote, he is saying all the above (I think) but also that as edge size becomes < fingerprint depth the principle stands and you should still be able to put the same force through the smaller edge as you could a 10 or 15mm edge (but for pain, etc.).  This bit I disagree with. ;D  Exactly how max force decays with smaller edge size beyond this proposed 'sub fingerprint depth inflection point' is probably best investigated practically but i doubt it's linear.  (it would be linear if it was as simple as force,lever, pivot type system.)
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: tomtom on November 07, 2018, 06:55:22 pm
Yes ish Steve. Imagine your finger tip is a screwdriver end/tip and it’s being pointed slightly down into the hold (as per a good 1/2 crimp) then if you have a splodge of cartilage under the tip of the screwdriver then there is no difference between a 5mm hold and a 20mm hold (in terms of force down on the tip) except the cartilage is deformed more or less etc (representing pain :) ) but the force acting on the screwdriver tip (your bones tendons and muscles) are the same on all holds.

As long as your fingers chisel to the back of th me hold of course. And you’re right - larger holds give you more freedom to juggle your finger position so you are using all 4 uneven length screwdrivers to full effect :)

Sorry Will. No copracious tales from me. However check out ratemypoo.com
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Bradders on November 07, 2018, 07:06:52 pm
Maybe the perfect combination is a 2000 and a campus rung, although as Bradders has demonstrated sticking with the bottom outside on the 2000 should get results!

I do somewhat regret my arrogance in buying the 2000 over the 1000. The latter seems like the far more versatile board.
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Steve R on November 07, 2018, 07:14:07 pm
ah ok, well explained.  Don't you think though if you remove the flesh and cartilage and then do the same hang just on the now exposed bone, the 'boneprint' where force was applied on the edge would still look closer to a fingerprint than a discrete, screwdriver tip-like point?
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Murph on November 07, 2018, 07:18:37 pm
Tom I think your deformation is more truer for a four finger open hang. There the difference between small and very small comes down to how well your fingertip skin deforms/friction/conditions and so on.

Really need to get the micros up in the dojo and set aside a development weekend to test strength benchmarks on all the holds.

Oh, and, back on topic, go Shark!
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: cheque on November 07, 2018, 07:46:41 pm
Really need to get the micros up in the dojo and set aside a development weekend to test strength benchmarks on all the holds.

You really don’t.  ;)
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: abarro81 on November 08, 2018, 07:33:37 am
IIRC someone did a study on this, and strength on big holds transferred down to about 5mm, beyond which pulp density became a key factor. I.e. TT is right below 5mm but wrong above it.. given that 5mm is tiny, we can assume that strength is strength and all other excuses are just that unless you're on an 8B crimp fest
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 08, 2018, 08:47:55 am

I do somewhat regret my arrogance in buying the 2000 over the 1000. The latter seems like the far more versatile board.

Fortunately the climbers ego is such that a post on ukc offering a swap will likely get results should you feel that way inclined. Its how I ended up with my 2000!
Title: Re: Klubo Potenco 453 2018 23rd Oct - 4th Nov 2018
Post by: Nibile on November 08, 2018, 05:02:52 pm
Really need to get the micros up in the dojo and set aside a development weekend to test strength benchmarks on all the holds.
I think a weekend will be barely enough to start tolerating the pain...
I put back up some 5 mm edges in the garage mainly to feel again that early '90s vibe, but I rarely use them, if not for tests.
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