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Title: ...such a drag!
Post by: Paul B on August 24, 2015, 03:56:28 pm
Apologies if this is a daft thread but recently, I've been having some serious problems with drag. Now, I'm not the heaviest of people but a recent weigh-in revealed I'm not as light as I'd imagined.

Over the past few sessions I've been on the various links into the Ashes and on the LHS (Sticky Wicket > Ashes) I was struggling above the last bolt to get my foot up, not because I was pumped but because it felt like someone had tied an anchor to my harness (perhaps I wrongly blamed my wife for short-roping me  :worms: )

The first time through the roof at Kilnsey (with in-situ extenders, including a roller) I couldn't lower off without back cleaning a number of draws!

For draws I've got a mix of Spirits and new WildCountry Proton draws which range from 12cm to 25cm.

In the instance above (S into A) I'd removed the first two draws, extended (2ft) a number of others including the Sticky belay but still had problems. The rope is a 9.5mm Mammut (it feels thinner than this).

Apart from turning to Ginsters for solace, what are the practical options to sort this out (as it's frustrating)?

It was noticeably better on the RH link which wanders less (bolting obviously plays a big part).
Title: Re: ...such a drag!
Post by: abarro81 on August 24, 2015, 04:08:18 pm
On Mandela you should have just dropped a rope from stood on the ledge at the top of the 6c+..
Title: Re: ...such a drag!
Post by: Fiend on August 24, 2015, 04:12:48 pm
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Meant to be pretty good for losing weight, yeah.

Longer draws lower down always seems sensible to me. With rollers on too.
Title: Re: ...such a drag!
Post by: tomtom on August 24, 2015, 05:27:59 pm
I was hoping this thread would be about smoking, or life as a transsexual... :(
Title: Re: ...such a drag!
Post by: T_B on August 24, 2015, 05:31:04 pm
I've got about 4 long q/draws with DMM Revolvers on and use them on sport (though originally got em for trad/alpine). They make a big difference.
Title: Re: ...such a drag!
Post by: Paul B on August 24, 2015, 05:53:46 pm
On Mandela you should have just dropped a rope from stood on the ledge at the top of the 6c+..

I did on a few goes up it but didn't fancy my chances of doing a 'Davison'.
Title: Re: ...such a drag!
Post by: jwi on August 24, 2015, 06:05:27 pm
Most of my climbing these days seems to be on 40 m pitches or longer. I apply the following:

1. Thin rope
2. Maximum of 4-5 short draws on a route, and only where they are absolutely needed to avoid hitting stuff. Rest is 17, 27 or 60 cm.
3. Two-rope, two-GriGri technique (or hauling through the lead-rope and dropping it down) on anything that has a ledge or a sharp bend.

Other than that, I don't know. Are the roller-biners really working as advertised? I tried a friend's roller-biner and couldn't tell the difference to a normal big cross-area biner.
Title: Re: ...such a drag!
Post by: Adam Lincoln on August 24, 2015, 06:09:47 pm
I just bought 18 of these and a few revolvers.

(http://www.v12outdoor.com/shopimages/products/extras/Alpha%20Sport%20QDs.jpg)
Title: Re: ...such a drag!
Post by: Kingy on August 24, 2015, 07:15:37 pm
Use the roller draws all at the bottom of the route where they are most needed. I had 3  on first 3 bolts of Full Tilt and was shocked at how quickly I plummeted earthwards when I dropped the 2nd crux. had them on the first 2 bolts of Mecca and first 3 of Monumental as well, also made quite a difference
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