UKBouldering.com
the shizzle => diet, training and injuries => Topic started by: as646 on December 13, 2013, 02:45:30 pm
-
It seems like all the people who are ridiculously strong are either freakishly tall skeletons or have the build of a thirteen year old girl. Now, I'm not fat by any stretch, but I used to do a fair bit of olympic lifting - though I have since stopped - and consequently feel I'm a bit of a heavyweight at 185 cm and 86 kg.
As I mentioned, I've stopped lifting, and have cut down my caloric intake, however I'm unlikely to lose a significant amount of weight anytime soon, as I'm already quite lean and I'm naturally well built even without lifting.
I feel like I struggle on moves where I've got a lot of my weight on a crimp. I've got upper body strength in spades, but not finger strength. Is this a situation in which I would benefit from Eva Lopez-style deadhang training on a fingerboard?
-
have the build of a thirteen year old girl.
Especially true of the 13 year old girls.
In a word, yes on the fingerboard.
And 86 kg at 185 cm isn't that heavy at all.
-
It seems like all the people who are ridiculously strong are either freakishly tall skeletons or have the build of a thirteen year old girl.
Really?
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/5255b341e4b02768cf820cbb/t/525d99f4e4b02bebac62e125/1381865992854/Sharma%20-%20home%20image.jpg)
-
Plus numerous other examples.
-
And 86 kg at 185 cm isn't that heavy at all.
For a climber 86kg is heavy.
-
I feel like I struggle on moves where I've got a lot of my weight on a crimp. I've got upper body strength in spades, but not finger strength. Is this a situation in which I would benefit from Eva Lopez-style deadhang training on a fingerboard?
I'm sure more knowledgeable people will chime in but you haven't said how long you have been climbing and at what grade you are climbing.
I would be wary of undertaking an intensive finger training regime if you haven't been climbing long as tendons take a long time relative to muscles to develop and you could expose yourself to injuries.
-
I don't think 86kg for a six footer is terribly heavy but it isn't light either. I'm about a stone lighter than that an at the same height, but then again I'm not massively built or done weights etc.
-
And 86 kg at 185 cm isn't that heavy at all.
For a climber 86kg is heavy.
You calling me a fat cunt? :)
FWIW I weight about the same (although I'll admit I'm almost a stone heavier than I used to be), but I'm about 20 cm taller.
-
Festively plump.
-
Insulation; nothing a couple of big winter days on the hills won't shift!
-
I am 81Kg but i am shit as well so not a great example.
However Jimmy Webb and Jan Hojer are our side of 80kg and seam to do alright.
Tom Briggs is a big lad and no slouch, Mike Adams must but 80kg or be made of carbon fibre.
-
Being a bit of a fat bastard
I'm already quite lean and I'm naturally well built even without lifting.
Uh HUH :???:
-
I'm 6ft and usually about 74kg
-
I'm in the 50s. Definitely shorter than most of you folk though.
I've never been fat but i have gone up to 60kg before while lifting and eating a lot and then down a few when i stopped eating so much. I found the increased muscle mass isn't worth the extra weight even if it's mostly in the upper body.
If you're well built but could stand to lose a pound or two it will make a difference and actually as long as you keep doing whatever was keeping you strong you wont lose much strength if any at all and you'll get a six pack out of it! Just don't over do it or depend on losing weight for long term gains obviously.
-
I'm 176cm and 89kg and quite light at the moment.... :strongbench:
-
Now, I'm not fat by any stretch, but I used to do a fair bit of olympic lifting - though I have since stopped - and consequently feel I'm a bit of a heavyweight at 185 cm and 86 kg.
As I mentioned, I've stopped lifting, and have cut down my caloric intake, however I'm unlikely to lose a significant amount of weight anytime soon, as I'm already quite lean and I'm naturally well built even without lifting
I'm 181cm, and I always thought I was fair enough at 76-80kg, didn't feel massive but certainly didn't think I could ever get down to weights of similar height friends - there are some obvious beanpoles amongst my peers who are my height or thereabouts and tip the scales in the mid 60s, and one or two around 70. I'd wavered between 76 and 80 for the best part of a decade and that seemed to be my natural weight.
Anyway, a few years back I managed by virtue of more sedentary jobs and commutes to move from "76-80" to "roundabout 80" and on a bad day to "well I could get down to 80 quite easily if I tried". So I decided to get stuck in, eat healthy, all that sort of jazz, combined with climbing more and in a more dedicated structured way (it didn't take much!).
End of the story is I now normally aim for 72-73, with maybe dreams of pushing to 70-71 if I've got a project or trip or whatever. This morning was just the good side of 72, although with Christmas coming I doubt it will stay there.
The point for me I suppose is that especially if you have only just stopped lifting you might e surprised where your weight ends up - like you I didn't think I had much room to work with, but have ended up making something of a paradigm shift in what weight I think is right for me. I probably will never reach 65kg, but then I have a sweet tooth and enjoy beer too much, at least know I sort of know what I can and can't do.
-
It seems like all the people who are ridiculously strong are either freakishly tall skeletons
freakishly tall - check!
skeletal - check!
strong - ....oh bugger
-
I am 178cm and 69.8kg, (and getting lower).
My body composition is not good enough, which is why I still consider myself too heavy.
Still more fat then I want, even though I am not so weak for a person with my characteristics.
Start eating well (not shit) and do the right kind of exercise for what you want, and your body will adapt.
-
So basically the only really fat climbers are me and John Dunne and you're all skinny bastards... :wave:
-
Don't forget Brian Blessed - he nearly got up Everest - that's higher than the likes of Ondra and Sharma have ever climbed. After all, height gained, as speaking to colleagues at the works Christmas Lunch reminded me, is the acid test of any rock climber (one had been up Ben Nevis - put me in my place).
-
So basically the only really fat climbers are me and John Dunne and you're all skinny bastards... :wave:
No I'm well on my way to becoming fat twat. Currently creeping over 12 stone and only 5'8".
-
"Creeping over"??
Lucky fucker!! I've been around that or over for 4 years now, at the same height >:( >:( >:(
-
You have an excuse that you can't walk more than 10 foot due to a medical condition. I can burn 2 to 5,000 calories on bike ride some days a nd in still getting fatter.
I reckon if I didn't climb and bike I would be one of those rather over weight folk who they have to demolish the house to get than out
-
You have an excuse that you can't walk more than 10 foot due to a medical condition. I can burn 2 to 5,000 calories on bike ride some days a nd in still getting fatter.
I reckon if I didn't climb and bike I would be one of those rather over weight folk who they have to demolish the house to get than out
Biking was weird for me. A few years back I was riding 20-30hrs (300-400 miles) a week and watching what I ate and still gaining weight. If I run I lose weight..... Something about the two causes my body to respond differently. I think it's the weight bearing aspect...
-
:agree: I don't know what the science is, but for me running is much better at keeping my weight down than cycling.
-
People here need more beer and pies.
-
No I think you misunderstood if I burn off 3,000 cals. I sort of think its ok to consume 4,000 cals and blame it on a slow metabolism. :alky:
-
No I think you misunderstood if I burn off 3,000 cals. I sort of think its ok to consume 4,000 cals and blame it on a slow metabolism. :alky:
Ahh, :agree:
-
It all depends on what you wanna do, and your constitution of course. For 180 cm. I was 55kg, some years ago, when my only calorie intake was from beer, and burning fat on my meth intake. When I was at the climbing gym I did 500-600 meters at my max level. Then a year ago I got sober, ate healthy food (lots) and was suddenly at 75kg in a few months, no sport at all. At that time I took up climbing again and went to 67kg with a fat % of 12,7. Now I excel more in bouldering and also in chuffing my level rose with 6b to 7b+, but after one route I'm pumped as hell.
So you have to see. What is making up your weight. The muscles or the fat. Muscles are heavier than fat BTW. Do you need the muscles (e.g. bouldering) or are you into route climbing where the lighter is the better.
Power to weight ratio and endurance to weigth ratio are the keywords IMO.
As it sounds from your description, you"re a healthy person, and maybe according what you wanna do, some minor tweaks will help.
And fingerboarding will always help, but be conservative and do not overdo it.
-
Once you stop lifting.. And no cheating power reps for old times sake ;)
And... I'm presuming you have left previous super high protein fest diet choices behind....
The muscle bulk will fall.
But, if you are the stocky build... Then just go with it... AND be really careful with yr finger tendons.... As above it takes yrs to get tendons to tolerate the power of muscle in climbing...
5 ft 7, 72 kg fat, 69 thin ( mid summer), 29 inch waist and 38 inch chest... Was 64kg when I sport climbed as hard as I could.... 15 yrs ago. For bouldering losing that 3 kg makes all the difference.
*GSOH, non smoker, no pets, looking for...... *
-
:agree: I don't know what the science is, but for me running is much better at keeping my weight down than cycling.
I'm doing hill marathons and getting fatter. I don't cycle. QED?
-
Wierd one for me too... I take up road biking... Lose loads of gut fat 4 years ago... And put on weight.. ( large thighs.. Esp as I'm the short stocky model ;) )
But I start to run 3 times a week at the beginning of the year, I lose 2 kg in 6 weeks... No diet change... Wtf???
-
Might be that long distance running burns more fat, and does not create as much muscle tissue as cycling. Don't know.
-
It seems like all the people who are ridiculously strong are either freakishly tall skeletons
freakishly tall - check!
skeletal - check!
strong - ....oh bugger
C'mon Moose - you have a limpet like crimpness..
-
:agree: I don't know what the science is, but for me running is much better at keeping my weight down than cycling.
I'm doing hill marathons and getting fatter. I don't cycle. QED?
no idea :shrug:
-
how long have you been climbing?
what grades are we talking about?
indoors or outdoors?
of course fingerboarding is going to make a difference, but so will other stuff
183cm @ 93kg, well hung, GSOH, climbs like a bag of potatoes, 6A indoors, 7A on grit, 6B on lime, can't crimp so open hand everything, advanced stages of male pattern baldness
-
I'll be able to put the effects of weight loss to the test today. I seem to have lost around 10% of my body weight in the last month (a bit of a mystery, admittedly very busy and stressed at work but not eating any less so far as I can tell). If I can escape the wind, I hope to get back on the grit for the first time in a while and try some previously elusive projects. Don't have great hopes..... closing my front door and opening the microwave oven feel strenuous to my palsied limbs at the moment!
-
how long have you been climbing?
what grades are we talking about?
indoors or outdoors?
of course fingerboarding is going to make a difference, but so will other stuff
183cm @ 93kg, well hung, GSOH, climbs like a bag of potatoes, 6A indoors, 7A on grit, 6B on lime, can't crimp so open hand everything, advanced stages of male pattern baldness
Thank you for making me feel so much better on a particularly shite Saturday.
I've been nursing a shoulder injury for two months and am now 10kg over my ideal/normal and unable to climb over V4/5 indoors (what's outdoors?).
Going stir crazy, building things in the training room and not being able to try/use it. Watching the resets and not being able to try.
183cm, 84kg and rising....
-
183cm 73kg. At my lardiest I was pushing 80kg. I think most of my weight loss is due to drinking less and eating a lot less meat (lass is vegetarian)
I've lost a fair bit in the last 2 years, which, combined with doing not a lot of traninig but plenty climbing, I have managed to maintain the bouldering level that I had a few years back when I was bouldering 3 times a week and fingerboarding. ~7A/B
In fact, thinking back, my most continuous period of fingerboarding was when I was recovering from knee surgery. At that time I was around 79kg and I could hang the 45s for 30 secs. Training heavy.
Hopefully this winter I can capitalise on stronger tendons and a lighter body to make some proper bouldering ganis. I'd like to break into the upper 7s as I've never got up anything harder than 7B (straight up) or 7B+ (traverse).
I also think (fairly subjectively) that I've been less prone to injury than I was, but I'm finding it harder to recover after an indoor session now.
30, PSOH, Loud, opinionated, know-it-all pain in the ass. Likes long walks of short piers and long stands.
-
you bulimic's need to try and keep a good meal down. 95kg (probably be in triple figures by next year :) )
-
you bulimic's need to try and keep a good meal down. 95kg (probably be in triple figures by next year :) )
Last night I had 5 pints of ale, pub dinner and a kebab on the way home. I'm trying Jim, I'm trying.
-
Thanks for all the replies. I've been climbing just over a year; both indoors and on grit I'm consistently around 6B-6C, with the very occasional 7A if it suits me. I'd like to start making headway into the 7s.
I reckon if I eat less and make sure I disregard the call of the iron, I'll eventually be able to get down to 80kg, but I doubt I'll manage much below that.
In the meantime, I'll definitely look to start spending some time on a fingerboard. I presume EL is for more advance climbers who already have a fair amount of strength in their fingers. Any recommendations for a decent beginners program?
-
178cm x 63-65kg .... no excuses there for me unfortunately.
178cm and 78kg... :slap:
*wanders off with a bag of crisps in his hand knowing why he's a lard arse
-
I'm 65 kg and 172 :-[, but I've been 11 kg heavier years ago doing lots of weights in the 10/15 reps range.
I started to become stronger as I dropped running and cycling and started concentrating on good training and correct eating.
Getting fatter with cycling is very common. In fact, all the guys I know, that cycle, are far from good shape. It's a catabolic effort and losing muscle mass in most of the body is the logical consequence. This progressively lowers the metabolism, as it's related to muscle mass and its needs. It's a downward spiral, lower metabolism means that every calory that you eat goes into fat. So you eat less, you keep lowering the metabolism, and so on.
Many studies show that high intensity interval training or weight lifting are a lot better at losing fat. Higher metabolism, highest post workout consumption, etc.
Plus, you look better on the beach.
This is very simplified but you get the idea.
One year? Your body will need years and years to adapt to climbing! One year is too early to worry about fingerboarding, dieting, changing body composition etc, especially if you already climb 7a.
Take it easy, think long term and give your body the time it needs.
Leave the call of the iron for when you'll be older! (This is what I tell myself...)
-
I'm 180cm and 81kg and consider myself a tad burly! I'm hoping to drop to about 75kg but will only achieve this when I put some effort in. Which may not be for some time due a niggling foot injury.
Very depressing as I declared this to be the winter of crushing! Crushing cans for recycling more like!
-
I'm 1.85 and 75kg and I'm fat. That's 'cos I've got the thinnest legs and arms anyone's ever seen*. I reckon I could drop another 3kg if I could just stop eating curry, kebabs and friiiieeed chicken.
*this isn't a challanger, I'm sure someone has thinner wrists than me. At school people used to queue up to put their hands around them. Yes, I'm still in therapy, no, there was nothing else to do down south before we were old enough to start taking drugs.
-
I'm 192cm and currently equalling the lardiest I've ever been, 109kg. A couple of people here appear to be half my weight.
The weight gain, like others here, is due to health problems - for the last 15 months. But bear in mind that I'm broad shouldered and 90kg for me is light as fuck. The current weight sucks, and it is effecting my climbing - although not a lot, but when I can take up the running again it'll go and I'll be stronger than ever.
-
182cm - 65kg. Still shit.
-
I feel like I need to make you all feel better, 186cm, 109kg and I love bouldering, should I give up now or get liposuction?
Just got back into bouldering again for a couple of months now, indoors only, haven't been outside for 2-3 years, struggling up 6A/6A+ at the moment.
Could definitely shed some weight, although i'm not an uber fat-bastard a lot of it is muscle, physical job, powerlifting/strongman style training has definitely bulked me out more than your typical climber.
200kg deadlift, 350kg tyre flips, 130kg bench press etc to offer some perspective on it...
When I stopped previously I wasn't as strong but I was around 6 kilos lighter, used to manage 6b/6b+ on occasion, the problem I find myself suffering from right now is that I am a lot stronger, but the finger strength is missing and my technique has definitely gone to shit in all that time off, so I find my fingers flaking out before everything else on my body usually.
Climbing twice a week a the moment, easing back on the strength training a little bit and fingerboarding gently seems to be helping speed things up am I doing the right thing, or should I wind it in to once a week and do a shit ton of finger strength work?
It seems to be going ok and i'm learning a lot more fun techniques this time round from other much more experienced climbers i've been hanging out with.
-
Watch year finger tendon pulleys James, take a while to readjust...
-
Could definitely shed some weight, although i'm not an uber fat-bastard a lot of it is muscle, physical job, powerlifting/strongman style training has definitely bulked me out more than your typical climber.
200kg deadlift, 350kg tyre flips, 130kg bench press etc to offer some perspective on it...
Crikey... what's the "physical job" - do you work at an anvil factory?! You must be one of the few climbers who has maybe one pair of rock shoes for comfort, one for performance... and one for the truck pull!
-
My mentality is that it's my winter coat and I'll shed it after Christmas. 188cm and about 90kg. Want to get down to 80kg for the summer.
Was at the depot notts today flailing about, decided that I'm doing the Eva Lopez, as in pulling pn big holds with added weight (hopefully I'll get more gains than shark!!)
-
5 ft 7, 72 kg fat, 69 thin ( mid summer), 29 inch waist :-\ and 38 inch chest... Was 64kg when I sport climbed as hard as I could.... 15 yrs ago. For bouldering losing that 3 kg makes all the difference.
*GSOH, non smoker, no pets, looking for...... *
Did you cut and paste that off your profile on Bubba's website :bounce:
-
Maybe he wants us to buy him some trousers for Christmas?
-
What we seem to have here is other than Moose, Tom,Tom and Ian v is a lot of old fat piss head boulders
There is an easy solution to this but I for one should not be the one to give advice. Having done an hour and half on the weights,then an hour on the turbo followed by going out for lunch panini and chocolate brownie. On returning home 2 single malts and crisps, the pittas stuffed with cheese and humous washed down with white wine and I'm only getting started. :2thumbsup:
-
178cm x 63-65kg .... no excuses there for me unfortunately.
Anorexic sport climber...
-
180 ish and about 83kg
not fat, just a touch of insulation round the kidneys but otherwise just big round the chest and shoulders.
can't crimp anything small but have still bouldered 7c on a few occasions, would consider myself a solid 7b(+) climber.... on stuff that suits so grit, font and a bit of llamberis mountain rock
Have tried to drop weight before but whenever I got under 77ish I just got ill a lot.
Over time I've just consoled myself to the fact I'm not going to be an all rounder, that coupled with the fact I do like the gym... you've got to do what's right for you, as I said trying to drop weight made me ill the whole time, being a little heavier but healthier has allowed me to climb harder.
oh and I don't drink so that's not an issue......
Rambling reply over...
-
What we seem to have here is other than Moose, Tom,Tom and Ian v is a lot of old fat piss head boulders
I've refrained from quoting my own numbers as they're pretty sickening - people would be wondering why I'm either / both not (a) in hospital (b) climbing a lot harder! Weight vs height is a pretty blunt tool to assess climbers - I was bouldering at my best when I was around 8kg heavier (but didn't have a job - grit four times a week - no climbing walls - no injuries).
-
178cm x 63-65kg .... no excuses there for me unfortunately.
Anorexic sport climber...
Actually in terms of bmi, that's about 20/21. Perfect.
-
178cm x 63-65kg .... no excuses there for me unfortunately.
Anorexic sport climber...
Actually in terms of bmi, that's about 20/21. Perfect.
yeah well apparently I'm over weight w a bmi of 25.6
frankly a useless measure when it doesn't consider muscle mass...
-
1.90m and 76kg.. was down to 72kg in November, but winter seems to have led to more booze/food/weight :)
-
1.90m and 76kg.. was down to 72kg in November, but winter seems to have led to more booze/food/weight :)
That sounds about it. And even you should go down back to 72.
-
1.90m and 76kg.. was down to 72kg in November, but winter seems to have led to more booze/food/weight :)
Do you struggle to travel upwind?
-
Just weighed myself for the first time in many, many years.
1.79 and just over 68. Heavy for me but mighty glad to be under 11 stone.
-
I usually put half a stone on in winter but hoping to minimise it this time as dieting is grim.
-
Thanks for the Advise FatDoc, maybe i'll forgoe the casual fingerboarding stuff here and there, probably safer!
Moose, I'm a Steadicam Operator and sometimes Camera Crane Technician, that translates to walking/running/sprinting around with 20-25kg of equipment attached to my body all day or when I work on the cranes, building/dismantling, moving, adjusting and helping to operate Camera Cranes, usually around 18-30ft in length and anywhere up to a few hundred kg in weight including the counterweights....fun times :)
-
1.90m and 76kg.. was down to 72kg in November, but winter seems to have led to more booze/food/weight :)
Do you struggle to travel upwind?
All my toughest ascents have been with a significant updraft ;)
-
Just out of interest, when did it start being socially acceptable to quote your height and weight purely in metric? Did we lose a war with France or something when I wasn't looking?
-
Just out of interest, when did it start being socially acceptable to quote your height and weight purely in metric? Did we lose a war with France or something when I wasn't looking?
Mais ouis, Rodney.
-
Appologies!
Height: 0.959 Austrian Klafters (or 0.000 327 364 507 07 Leagues)
Weight: 1.712 Bags of Portland Cement (or 56 328.107 988 Scruples in more common units)
hope that helps...
-
Just out of interest, when did it start being socially acceptable to quote your height and weight purely in metric? Did we lose a war with France or something when I wasn't looking?
Mais ouis, Rodney.
Fibonacci my son.
-
Must admit I have no idea when people talk about kgs.
Welcome back JamesD btw. Good effort struggling up 6As at your size, that's my current level but I have no excuse.
-
Is there a weight/height equivalent of the Bitcoin rivalling UKB currency: the "fuck all"?
-
Must admit I have no idea when people talk about kgs.
[noembed]Who ever bought a kilo of anything? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1fq75aWtY)[/noembed] (skip to 2:40)
-
Exactly. Baking is really important.
-
this is the most encouraging thread in ages!
6'2" and touch over 15 stone. Put on just ovre half a stone since October. Probably cause I've looking after the mini 19s since then full time.
bouldering at the mini works is back to about average. blacks 6a. at about 14.5 i was doing sport 6b/c and E2. Up until a tweaking my fingers on LPT and sulking for a month.
trad failures is usually pump out so weight makes a significant difference.
-
Getting Baked is really important.
-
Just out of interest, when did it start being socially acceptable to quote your height and weight purely in metric?
1965 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_Kingdom)
-
I think one key is where the weight is too. I'm fairly light at 188cm and ~70kg but thats mainly because I have tiny chicken legs and all my muscle is located on my back and arms, as such I tend to be a fairly burly climber with lank.
So just get in a wheelchair and start atrophying those legs, after all they're just there to guide you whilst campusing the problems
-
I find stuff like this pretty interesting I'm 181 cm
I've always been heavy since mid 90's probably between 102 - 115kgs pre that prob 90-95kgs
Post 95 I've climbed up to V7/V8 normally dynamic vs power and fairly constantly v4/v5 . Admittedly I've spent a lot of time climbing I've been fortunate on the injury front with no finger injuries over that time .
Personally I think once your over V5/6 weight is an issue however up to that point technique and and an ability to climb efficiently will get you a long way .
Obviously ditching weight will probably unlock higher grades however life is to be lived and I like career , eating , drinking , family and Socialising .
Like everything life is a trade off and I'm happy with what I can get done climbingwise with all the other things I enjoy going on at the same time . I think like everything people should make a call on what they want and then accept the consequences.
-
I'm 45 years old, 182cmish (5.11 and a half - I'm sure I used to be 6ft but seem to have shrunk as I've hit middle age) and currently 86kg (at least that's what the old scales at my mother's house said at the weekend).
I climbed pretty well for me on saturday so I was surprised to see such a heavy weight - mind you previous dabbling with dieting has made me realise that I'm normally at least a quarter stone lighter in the morning, and those scales are probably not very accurate.
My weight does fluctuate a lot - basically, the less I drink mid week, the lighter I get and the better I climb. Last year I dropped a load of weight off and went down to 80kgs for a bit - climbing felt easy for a few months, but I soon crept back up to my more natural 'fit' weight of just above 13 stone. Last winter I had a bad finger injury so just went winter climbing; luckily it was a strong year conditions wise so I got out loads and again the weight dropped off me.
I tried running a few years ago and enjoyed it but I don't think it made me lose much weight. My flexibility worsened (really noticeable on techy vertical stuff) so I knocked it on the head.
My other top tip - apart from not drinking mid week - is to just reduce every meal portion you have by a quarter. You can eat what you like, so don't get pissed off with strict food rules. Simple but effective.
I boulder about 7A+ or 7B outside these days (and reckon I could seige 7B+ if I got psyched by a particular problem). Indoors I generally get my arse kicked a lot but amusingly I am currently in 6th place in the Indy Wall winter bouldering aggregate competition. I'm sure most of that is down to good tactics, but it's still funny to be a fat old git pulling a respectable score.
-
I have started keeping half an eye on my weight given I now can't climb half as much as I used to. I'm fairly heavy for my height and build - 76kg at 5' 8.5". Question is should I start trying to lose a few kilos for bouldering, or should I keep it on to better survive the few winter climbing days I might get?
-
people should make a call on what they want and then accept the consequences.
it'll never catch on
-
I have started keeping half an eye on my weight given I now can't climb half as much as I used to. I'm fairly heavy for my height and build - 76kg at 5' 8.5". Question is should I start trying to lose a few kilos for bouldering, or should I keep it on to better survive the few winter climbing days I might get?
Bashing through the winter days will shave off any excess weight, if you think you'll get out enough. Otherwise, you run the perfect cross-training facility - just demonstrate lots of rescues wearing warm clothing, or go around rigging, de-rigging and generally doing the donkey work.
-
went down to 80kgs for a bit - climbing felt easy for a few months, but I soon crept back up to my more natural 'fit' weight of just above 13 stone.
Mixing grading systems in one sentence is totally unacceptable.
JB, I think carrying an extra few pounds for winter routes makes no difference, I still feel fucked after a big day out if I've got some weight on or not; it's still a few extra kg you have to carry in and up the route. I only notice any weight loss in the week following a big day out anyway?
-
went down to 80kgs for a bit - climbing felt easy for a few months, but I soon crept back up to my more natural 'fit' weight of just above 13 stone.
Mixing grading systems in one sentence is totally unacceptable.
JB, I think carrying an extra few pounds for winter routes makes no difference, I still feel fucked after a big day out if I've got some weight on or not; it's still a few extra kg you have to carry in and up the route. I only notice any weight loss in the week following a big day out anyway?
Apologies - I still think in imperial so slipped up (I've no real idea what 80kgs means).
I have two conflicting theories about winter climbing heaviness. When I'm overweight the walk ins feel harder (they're always hard, but these things are relative after all) and I sweat more, so end up feeling cold on the belays. As the season goes on I get fitter and lighter. The walk ins feel easier and I don't sweat as much, but because I'm carrying less insulating fat I still end up feeling cold on the belays! Last season I really felt this change - by Easter I was super fit but after one chilly day I was discussing clothing layers with my mate and realised he had an extra layer on. In the end I added a layer, but walked in with the bare minimum on. Seemed to work. Oh, and having a super warm belaying jacket helps!
-
I can't recommend Brynje base layers highly enough. Wear these and never again feel the clammy damp coldness seeping into your bones as your belay stint turns into a semi-hanging mind-game of all the songs you can think of by artists beginning with G, H, I......
http://www.brynje-shop.com/index.html?language=en (http://www.brynje-shop.com/index.html?language=en)
-
I can't recommend Brynje base layers highly enough. Wear these and never again feel the clammy damp coldness seeping into your bones as your belay stint turns into a semi-hanging mind-game of all the songs you can think of by artists beginning with G, H, I......
http://www.brynje-shop.com/index.html?language=en (http://www.brynje-shop.com/index.html?language=en)
Interesting.
I have noticed that you seem remarkably unaffected by winter coldness. I had put this down to some sort of innate toughness, but now I see that it is all based on good technology. (Obviously if I try out this fancy base layer and am still freezing cold I'll have to concede that you are considerably tougher than me...)
-
Are you saying my helly from 2002 is substandard?
Any particular one from the range for "typical" UK winter conditions?
-
An innate stubbornness, 10 years of lying in cold mud being told 'my skin's waterproof', and the best Noweigan wicking underwear money can buy = above average resilience to cold weather. Also I'm always psyched out of my tiny mind to be winter climbing!
Love the feeling of getting hill fit for winter-climbing, hard to get in Wales though with the short conditions windows.
SAChris - I use the 'Super Thermo long sleeve shirt', and the 'super thermo 3/4 length hose'. They're the dog's bollocks :thumbsup:
-
Are you saying my helly from 2002 is substandard?
I'm sure it smells substandard!
-
Good info and this thread has had a bit of a hijack, sorry!
-
Love the feeling of getting hill fit for winter-climbing, hard to get in Wales though with the short conditions windows.
I love that feeling too - one day last winter I actually managed to keep up with Tim Badcock's furious marching rate. It was like I'd reached another level of existence. Can't remember what route we did that day, but it felt easy in comparison.
(Oh, and apologies to the original poster, we appear to be talking about winter climbing...)
-
Ha, good tangent! So the consensus is lose the weight and buy better underwear. Damn. My thought was less about feeling good on the day and more about not feeling fucked/ getting ill after a couple of monster days. I could just make sure the car is full of food and ensure the long drive home is a non-stop binge of scranning snacks and quaffing chocolate milk.
-
Ha, good tangent! So the consensus is lose the weight and buy better underwear. Damn. My thought was less about feeling good on the day and more about not feeling fucked/ getting ill after a couple of monster days. I could just make sure the car is full of food and ensure the long drive home is a non-stop binge of scranning snacks and quaffing chocolate milk.
I imagine my definition of 'carrying a bit of fat' is quite different to yours! Carry on nailing the chocolate milk shakes - best recovery fuel ever.
-
Choose strawberry - that way you can eat chocolate too and not feel too ill.
-
Choose strawberry - that way you can eat chocolate too and not feel too ill.
ALBERTO FROG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHcl8fsRhRM#)
-
Brilliant!
-
189cm, 90kg here - have managed to claw my way up 7C but only if it's reachy as fark :)
-
5 feet 10, 10.6 stone (178cm 67Kg). Finger strength never an issue, PE and all-day effort is.
38 now and I've been the same weight since 17, with a minor trip up to 11.5 stone during a donner-and beer-propelled year in my twenties.
-
5 feet 10, 10.6 stone (178cm 67Kg). Finger strength never an issue, PE and all-day effort is.
I hear counselling can do wonders for premature ejaculation.
(Really though, what is PE? Power-endurance?)
-
Pulmonary edema.
-
In my day it was Phys. Ed.
-
By the by - in terms of rapid weight loss, I was actually quite impressed by the Insanity workout.
Even after the first period (5 weeks), i'd lost 2 inches from the waist, and almost, almost lost the spare tyre, although it was reduced to an inner tube.
Didn't eat that differently aside from maybe skipping some snacks as I was on a health binge.
The depressing thing is how quick it comes back when you stop doing any aerobic stuff and hit the festive drinks & cakes.
I started the T-25 plan, but it felt a bit tame after Insanity
-
I'm 6 foot (182cm) and 13 stone (82kg), 44 years old. Wearing 30-31 inch jeans.
As a cyclist of 20 years I'd dispute the comment earlier than cyclists put fat on, they usually put leg muscle on and their bodys become coiled knots that are bloody hard to flex. ;) I'm pretty lean - down at 12% last time I worked it out (IIRC), my weight is basically in my legs.
I quite fancy loosing about a half stone but wont give up cycling completely so am trying to go a little leaner, there is half a stone I can loose. I'm cutting out the muesli and drinking leangreens instead for breakfast. God my farts are gonna stick of rotten veg! :sorry:
-
I'm 5'7" and 57kg and I eat so much shite it's quite unbelievable.
Pringle, anyone?
-
I'm 6 foot (182cm) and 13 stone (82kg), 44 years old. Wearing 30-31 inch jeans.
I think this shows the problem with a lot of BMI stuff. You're 7kg heavier than me but have a slimmer waist for the same height.
I do dress like a gangsta though.
-
I'm 5'7" and 57kg and I eat so much shite it's quite unbelievable.
Pringle, anyone?
Peephole Pringle?
I used to be like that until mid 30s.
-
I used to be like that until mid 30s.
Yeah, I'm 24 so bets are on as to how many years of fantastic metabolism I have left...
-
Then : 1.8m and 55.6 kg
Now 65 kg
Most of the difference is due to the fact I have some leg muscles now!
-
Can all you skinny bastards go and find your own thread - this is strictly a fatty's zone.
If you're less than 70kgs every crimp must feel like your hanging off a bivi ledge!
-
I used to be like that until mid 30s.
Yeah, I'm 24 so bets are on as to how many years of fantastic metabolism I have left...
It's in the post - by the time you hit 30 just looking at a cake will add an inch to your waist.
-
Try pastys... Even more effective. I should know,
-
Can all you skinny bastards go and find your own thread - this is strictly a fatty's zone.
If you're less than 70kgs every crimp must feel like your hanging off a bivi ledge!
Hovering a mere 0.7kg above this at the moment and my body feels like it is craving food to get back up to 72 after upping the intensity outside in the last week whilst eating less. Hopefully won't get ill before Saturday so I can take advantage of the sending weight where everything feels a tad juggier!
-
Can all you skinny bastards go and find your own thread - this is strictly a fatty's zone.
If you're less than 70kgs every crimp must feel like your hanging off a bivi ledge!
I second the motion!
-
By the by - in terms of rapid weight loss, I was actually quite impressed by the Insanity workout.
Bizarrely I've lost around 6kg in around a month for no reason I can fathom other than stress at work. No material difference in my diet so as as I can tell. The only change is timing - lots of work means I'm generally not eating my lunch until around 5pm and my tea at around 9.30-10pm. The work itself is largely driving and then clambering around sites - not sedentary but I wouldn't have thought it burns too many calories (I investigate fires rather than putting them out!). Anyone know of any science to explain it - I always thought stress resulted in more fat deposition. Bit worrying, though thankfully things seem to have stabilised - not as though I had much weight to lose (last two days, 58.9kg, 191cm, or 6'3", 9st4lb)
-
By the by - in terms of rapid weight loss, I was actually quite impressed by the Insanity workout.
Bizarrely I've lost around 6kg in around a month for no reason I can fathom other than stress at work. No material difference in my diet so as as I can tell. The only change is timing - lots of work means I'm generally not eating my lunch until around 5pm and my tea at around 9.30-10pm. The work itself is largely driving and then clambering around sites - not sedentary but I wouldn't have thought it burns too many calories (I investigate fires rather than putting them out!). Anyone know of any science to explain it - I always thought stress resulted in more fat deposition. Bit worrying, though thankfully things seem to have stabilised - not as though I had much weight to lose (last two days, 58.9kg, 191cm, or 6'3", 9st4lb)
I have a certain, paranoid, reaction to such information.
As a concerned fellow UKBer could I suggest you take a trip to the GP?
Better a wasted check-up than something missed.
Unexplained weight loss is always something to take note of.
-
70kg is still bloody light, minimum weight into fatty's club is 14 stone!
-
By the by - in terms of rapid weight loss, I was actually quite impressed by the Insanity workout.
Bizarrely I've lost around 6kg in around a month for no reason I can fathom other than stress at work. No material difference in my diet so as as I can tell. The only change is timing - lots of work means I'm generally not eating my lunch until around 5pm and my tea at around 9.30-10pm. The work itself is largely driving and then clambering around sites - not sedentary but I wouldn't have thought it burns too many calories (I investigate fires rather than putting them out!). Anyone know of any science to explain it - I always thought stress resulted in more fat deposition. Bit worrying, though thankfully things seem to have stabilised - not as though I had much weight to lose (last two days, 58.9kg, 191cm, or 6'3", 9st4lb)
I have a certain, paranoid, reaction to such information.
As a concerned fellow UKBer could I suggest you take a trip to the GP?
Better a wasted check-up than something missed.
Unexplained weight loss is always something to take note of.
:agree: and especially when you've not much extra to lose.
-
Stress has stopped me eating in the past - to the point where I would exist on lucozade and topic bars until late at night when I could trick my body into accepting a squareish meal...
But that was pretty extreme and it sounds like you're eating the same amount (at different times) and not really burning that much off more than before... as the others said - GP?
-
Bizarrely I've lost around 6kg in around a month for no reason I can fathom other than stress at work.
Stress can burn a lot of calories, at one point something similar happened to me, I wouldn't worry. Or, you have a tapeworm :2thumbsup:
-
I have the same thing. I always lose a few pounds when going through a high stress period with no major changes to anything else. See NNFN from this time last year!
-
Then : 1.8m and 55.6 kg
Now 65 kg
Most of the difference is due to the fact I have some leg muscles now!
Ian I can't believe you ever weighed as much as 55.6 kg !
-
Bizarrely I've lost around 6kg in around a month for no reason I can fathom other than stress at work.
Stress can burn a lot of calories, at one point something similar happened to me, I wouldn't worry. Or, you have a tapeworm :2thumbsup:
The worrying thing is that the nearest I've had to a YYFY! this grit season came in my new lighter form. Last weekend at Almscliff I finally managed a petty little project of mine (South Cave Traverse, low break only eliminate, no real idea of grade - solid F7b?). I'd been trying it on and off since last year and last weekend it felt a piece of piss..... My Venn diagram of "mental well-being" and "physical health" is a bit tragic at the moment!
-
I'd agree with the others and go see a doc, it can't be good for you weighing sub 60 at 6"3! I recall having food poisoning a couple of summers back and going on a trip at 67kg and it felt horrendous for the first few days before my constant gorging pushed it back up slightly! Do you not feel too light headed to pull hard?
-
Ian I can't believe you ever weighed as much as 55.6 kg !
Big bones!
Moose, do you feel ill or under the weather? if so go see someone. If you just feel lighter and stronger then, get in and take advantage :thumbsup: Caveat: I probably have a higher threshold to being shocked by low weight than most people.
-
Bizarrely I've lost around 6kg in around a month for no reason I can fathom other than stress at work.
Stress can burn a lot of calories, at one point something similar happened to me, I wouldn't worry.
I'm sure this is well-meaning, but as I'm sure Moose is well-aware, all medical advice on t'interweb is to be regarded as suspicious at best. Can I just echo Oldmanmatt et al and suggest you get yourself checked out. I work in healthcare, BTW.