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Title: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: dave on October 21, 2012, 10:06:07 pm
Whilst frying eggs on the rock at Froggatt this afternoon we spotted that someone has had a go the start holds of Joe's Slab, looks a right mess.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5wlHdQCQAACVzS.jpg)

They've also knocked off also a couple of smaller edges further left - thankfully not affecting any of the main problems.

Wouldn't have thought this was climbers, probably knobheads? Anyway, if you're out and about in the peak keep your eyes open.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 21, 2012, 10:41:30 pm
Worst I've seen since the stuff at RHS. Be interesting to get any reports as to when it was done, it's very hard to imagine it was anyone but climbers.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: Falling Down on October 21, 2012, 10:49:39 pm
 :'(
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: etjoset on October 22, 2012, 07:13:56 am
Yes, this is a disgrace. The chipped holds were there by midday on Sunday 14th October and were clearly made by repeated hammer blows, possibly using a chisel judging by their form. Other climbers were speculating that they might not have been there when they had arrived first thing that morning, though I got the impression that no one was really sure.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: Bonjoy on October 22, 2012, 08:44:15 am
We saw this noon yesterday. Also some damage to the base of Greengut which looked equally fresh (prised flake and chipped off corner). Smacked of random knobhead work.
Some twat trying out their brand new geology hammer?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: SA Chris on October 22, 2012, 10:33:58 am
Why would climbers make holds worse? I reckon some arse with a hammer.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: SamT on October 22, 2012, 11:26:39 am
 :furious:
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: tomtom on October 22, 2012, 11:35:21 am
Why would climbers make holds worse? I reckon some arse with a hammer.

+1
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: mark s on October 22, 2012, 11:47:46 am
looks like a 'karma' style attack,maybe someone with a grudge aganst climbers or a climber.
agree with the why make it harder posts
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: dave on October 22, 2012, 12:03:01 pm
The irony is it doesn't even make it any harder.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: Andy F on October 22, 2012, 01:00:25 pm
Why would climbers make holds worse? I reckon some arse with a hammer.

So... a arse with a hammer walking along a gritstone edge decides to whack away indiscriminately. Geologist?
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: andy_e on October 22, 2012, 01:04:55 pm
I think it was more likely a geochemist actually.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: Andy F on October 22, 2012, 01:13:06 pm
I think it was more likely a geochemist actually.

Why would a geochemist have any interest in some poncy soft rock?  :off:
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: andy_e on October 22, 2012, 01:17:34 pm
 :lol:

It doesn't look like a good sample piece would have broken off and I doubt most sensible geologists would want to take a sample, coated in chalk, of an entirely unremarkable sandstone.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: SA Chris on October 22, 2012, 02:13:20 pm
entirely unremarkable sandstone.

Now that's fighting talk.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: tomtom on October 22, 2012, 02:54:05 pm
entirely unremarkable sandstone.

Now that's fighting talk.

Its not even been called yet!

Maybe Dobbin has a new pscientific method for determining the angle of the tortoises trotter?
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: leeroy on October 22, 2012, 06:47:23 pm
We saw this noon yesterday. Also some damage to the base of Greengut which looked equally fresh (prised flake and chipped off corner). Smacked of random knobhead work.
Some twat trying out their brand new geology hammer?  :shrug:

that scar was on green gut isnt that recent (if were thinking same on, about a foot square near bottom.). noticed when first trying sole power a few weeks ago.

browns slab chipping looks similar to the damage at the bottom of power of the dark side a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: dr_botnik on October 28, 2012, 10:29:35 pm
Yeh, was there on sat 27th and had to chastise some kids throwing rocks down greengut, bit off putting when your climbing routes without a lid... noticed the damage (big flake chipped off) but thought at the time it wasn't their fault, can't see this being from a similar incident, can only be chipping  :icon_321:
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: SamT on October 29, 2012, 08:43:07 pm

actually - looking at the pics (haven't seen it in the flesh yet), could it not have been done by a falling stone, i.e. - free falls, hitting the hold (and the rock just above) knocking the edge of the hold off.

(I was at bowden doors of the summer and some tits had made a royal mess of the clean black wall below crater maker by hurling rocks at it repeatedly till all the rocks were smashed to bits  :wank: )
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: Gritlad on October 29, 2012, 08:50:22 pm
Think its most likely dickheads throwing stones. Would a falling rock not hit the ledge above first as it rolls down the slab? Could also be someone in a tantrum with a hex or a big cam hits the rock or similar in rage?
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: mark20 on October 29, 2012, 09:04:52 pm
Had a look yesterday morning, one of the 'chips' improves a small foothold / smear used on the foot traverse and problem left of Joe's Slab. Which make me think it was done delibrated by a climber.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: dave on October 29, 2012, 09:24:59 pm

actually - looking at the pics (haven't seen it in the flesh yet), could it not have been done by a falling stone,

Exceptionally unlikely, unless it was a massive stone of a much harder rock than grit, plus due to the angle of the rock no falling rock would hit these holds.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: SA Chris on October 30, 2012, 09:33:13 am

some tits had made a royal mess of the clean black wall below crater maker

Are you sure they were tits, and not swallows with coconuts?
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: SamT on October 30, 2012, 10:51:21 am
 :clap2:   ( I wish I'd been there to see them  :chair:)
Title: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: tomtom on October 30, 2012, 02:39:10 pm
Magpies with disco balls..
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: Offwidth on November 12, 2012, 04:12:15 pm
Went to have a look on Sunday and it makes the problem slightly harder for me as I tip-toed left along those chipped holds then stretched to the good crimps in the 'smile'. It's as easy for me to do it 'properly' again now with a smear and pull off smaller crimps. Don't some shorter climbers start on those edges (I'm not affected as I palm off from my left)?

The almost as depressing thing was the usual in-situ top-ropers skidding around and polishing Downhill Racer.

On the plus side a local called Paul showed me a lovely sustained traverse on the northern Pinnacle Boulder west face. Slap R to L along the main break avoiding any pockets above and below to finish in the recess. A tasty V2/5b/F6a with possibilities to extend to the NE arete that are too hard for me.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: Fiend on November 12, 2012, 05:42:12 pm
The almost as depressing thing was the usual in-situ top-ropers skidding around and polishing Downhill Racer.

Seriously?? In 2012??

Makes me feel a bit  :sick: :sick: :sick: , perhaps I don't miss the peaks as much as I thought.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: fried on November 12, 2012, 06:15:34 pm
At this rate all those chips will be polished out of it soon.
Title: Re: Chipping at Froggatt
Post by: Offwidth on November 14, 2012, 07:34:21 am
"I used that polished foothold" was one of the pieces of advice given without a trace of irony (having slipped off it several times and not even coming close to making the move).
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