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Title: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: SA Chris on September 28, 2012, 11:11:34 am
What's your most obscure oddity? Mine is probably the Guide for the Bouldering around Prescott, Arizona.

Anyone else got it, been there or even heard of it?

Second most is probably the 1991 MCSA Guide to Tonquani Kloof including Cedarberg and Boulder Kloof, but I think some people may have climbed there, or at least heard of it.

I suspect thesiger may out obscure me though.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: GCW on September 28, 2012, 11:16:52 am
Lancashire Rock?
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: slackline on September 28, 2012, 12:05:14 pm
I've this for Margaret River area in Western Australia which I doubt many have...

(http://www.thecrag.com/image/publication/00001/standard/7544641.jpg)

I've also some old ones like a 1950s guide to the Wicklow, 1920/30s ones for Langdale and some other areas in the lakes as well as couple from the 1950/60s Peak series (Froggatt and Stanage ones). Also got an early 80s guide for the circuits at Bas Cuvier.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: cheque on September 28, 2012, 01:00:39 pm
Leicestershire Climbs. Before I found it in a charity shop I had no idea that there was climbing in Leicestershire and thought it might be a cool idea for summer evenings as it's close to Nottingham. The book soon put me off this idea and I've never been to check any of the places out 'cos they look/ sound so bad- some aren't even crags. I've since given it to a friend who lives in Leicestershire. It had the same effect on her.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Fiend on September 28, 2012, 01:09:23 pm
I've climbed at 10 crags in Leicestershire. I reckon there must be at least a dozen good routes there.

West Midlands Rock, Lleyn, old orange Northern England guide, Cheesewring and South East Cornwall....all standard stuff....the difference is I've climbed quite a lot at them!
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: cheque on September 28, 2012, 01:11:46 pm
I've climbed at 10 crags in Leicestershire. I reckon there must be at least a dozen good routes there.

Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: SA Chris on September 28, 2012, 01:18:12 pm
Not been to any of the other places listed so far, except Cheesewring (and I think Helman Tor is in that guide?) but have heard of the climbing in all of them.

I should have said guidebooks to most obscure areas. I have the a Northumberland Guide from 1960s; Bowden Doors only gets a mention; I think there were access issues at the time though.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: andy_e on September 28, 2012, 01:19:08 pm
Wild bouldering in Yorkshire  ;D
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: GCW on September 28, 2012, 01:22:26 pm
Wild bouldering in Yorkshire  ;D

Technically, that's mine!!
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: SA Chris on September 28, 2012, 01:23:25 pm
Technically it's mine - even has my name in it (but sold to GCW)  And got a fair bit of use.

edit :doh - fixed
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: webbo on September 28, 2012, 01:24:17 pm
Recent developments on North Yorks Moors by Nick Dixon.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: GCW on September 28, 2012, 01:24:31 pm
Well, if you sold it to CCW I'm not sure what that's got to do with Nemo's copy  :lol:
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: erm, sam on September 28, 2012, 02:42:53 pm
I have got the first guidebook to Joes Valley bouldering, Utah. Hopelessly useless it is too.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: fried on September 28, 2012, 02:53:09 pm
I haven't got it or even seen it, although I know it exists or existed.

But I'd kill to have a look at the Portsmouth sea walls guidebook (c. 1990s) if anyone knows anything.
Title: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Oldmanmatt on September 28, 2012, 03:04:20 pm
I haven't got it or even seen it, although I know it exists or existed.

But I'd kill to have a look at the Portsmouth sea walls guidebook (c. 1990s) if anyone knows anything.
Saw it once (that was my main training venue in Uni days), never found out how to get a copy though... I do remember, most routes started with reference to their vicinity to the "do not climb on this ancient monument" sign...
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: slackline on September 28, 2012, 03:13:57 pm
Wild bouldering in Yorkshire  ;D

If thats the one by Barley & Baker (1997) I've a copy of that too.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: andy_e on September 28, 2012, 03:18:32 pm
It's not actually obscure, I was fishing for a GCW/SA Chris response. I hooked them both.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: GCW on September 28, 2012, 03:22:38 pm
That's karma, eh Chris?  :lol:
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: SA Chris on September 28, 2012, 03:28:36 pm
 :lol: indeed. Fate.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Stubbs on September 28, 2012, 03:28:43 pm
I've got this one for Kangaroo Point in Brisbane, not sure if it's particularly obscure, but it's certainly the worst crag I own a guide for!

(http://www.pinnaclesports.com.au/images/books_dvds/kp.jpg)
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Plattsy on September 28, 2012, 03:37:19 pm
You are right. KP is rubbish.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: SA Chris on September 28, 2012, 03:49:18 pm
Is that the "crag" in the picture? Is there nothing else nearby?
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Fiend on September 28, 2012, 03:55:16 pm
I've climbed at 10 crags in Leicestershire. I reckon there must be at least a dozen good routes there.

Any recommendations?

Moonshot, Beacon Hill
Starship Trooper, Beacon Hill
Mango, The Brand
Sailaway, The Brand
Virago, Craig Buddon
Sorcerer, Forest Rock
Saucy, Forest Rock
Definitely Not, Forest Rock
Chequered Slab, Markfield
Plain Sailing, Markfield
Baptism, Markfield
Central Route, Oaks Pinnacle
Central Crack, Pocketgate Quarry

+ harder stuff at the Brand and a couple of decent sport routes at Hangingstone.

All assume good condition, and appreciation of short esoteric outcrop/quarry routes, YMMV etc etc
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: tregiffian on September 28, 2012, 03:57:20 pm
Watch out for stones through your windscreen at Markfield.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: rich d on September 28, 2012, 04:06:42 pm
I've kind of got the guide for pont d'espagne in the pyrennees. Had to photocopy it in the library in Cautarets. Guess that's fairly obscure. 
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: cheque on September 28, 2012, 04:09:20 pm
Thanks for that Fiend.  :thumbsup:

Watch out for stones through your windscreen at Markfield.

These are the sort of comments that have kept me away from Leics so far! Is this from rockfall, local kids, angry residents or some other pitfall I'm too naive to imagine?
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Stubbs on September 28, 2012, 04:11:06 pm
Is that the "crag" in the picture? Is there nothing else nearby?

Yes, and no respectively, especially when you don't have a car!  It's floodlit so provides a change from the wall for post work climbing in Brizzy. Polished to Stoneyesque levels!
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: TobyD on September 28, 2012, 04:44:31 pm
I think i may have one to a limestone sport area near Krakow, Poland. It wasn't that great (book or climbing)

I have a home-print copy of the South Devon and Dartmoor supplement produced by Moorland Rambler in Exeter, that's quite obscure.

A Czech guide to Tisa and Ostrov? I can't understand enough of it to know if it is obscure. :shrug:
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: fried on September 28, 2012, 06:03:59 pm
I haven't got it or even seen it, although I know it exists or existed.

But I'd kill to have a look at the Portsmouth sea walls guidebook (c. 1990s) if anyone knows anything.
Saw it once (that was my main training venue in Uni days), never found out how to get a copy though... I do remember, most routes started with reference to their vicinity to the "do not climb on this ancient monument" sign...

It was mine too, when I couldn't scrounge a lift to Purbrook.  Fun trying to get a session in before the coastguard spotted you.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Johnny Brown on September 28, 2012, 06:41:21 pm
I've got four different Lleyn guides.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: SamT on September 28, 2012, 06:50:00 pm

Probably this

(http://gpam.free.fr/escalade/sites/topos/images/topo_ceou.jpg)

or this

(http://www.harropianbooks.com/harropian/images/items/175x400/371.jpg)
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: rodma on September 28, 2012, 07:12:33 pm



Probably this

(http://gpam.free.fr/escalade/sites/topos/images/topo_ceou.jpg)


Snap :)
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: SamT on September 28, 2012, 07:15:13 pm

 ;D

I was a bit gutted back in 1991 to discover that this wasn't Ceuse when we arrived  :wall:
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: tregiffian on September 28, 2012, 08:13:18 pm
Can`t do the quote thing - stones thrown by kids at Markfield. It wasn`t a one off but was a few years ago.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: rodma on September 28, 2012, 09:16:35 pm

 ;D

I was a bit gutted back in 1991 to discover that this wasn't Ceuse when we arrived  :wall:

Was in the vicinity with family a couple of years ago, so escaped to ceou with mrs rodma for a couple of afternoons to get sore feet, gripped and roasted by the sun. i'm sure it's a great venue if you like that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Muenchener on September 29, 2012, 08:10:46 pm
I've climbed at 10 crags in Leicestershire. I reckon there must be at least a dozen good routes there.

You're ahead of me then. I've only climbed at about half a dozen crags in Leicestershire that I can think of off the top of my head. But my Leicestershire Climbs was the 1970s yellow one, which was already a great rarity when I bought it circa 1980.

Any recommendations?

Moonshot, Beacon Hill
Starship Trooper, Beacon Hill
Mango, The Brand
Sailaway, The Brand
Virago, Craig Buddon
Sorcerer, Forest Rock
Saucy, Forest Rock
Definitely Not, Forest Rock
Chequered Slab, Markfield
Plain Sailing, Markfield
Baptism, Markfield
Central Route, Oaks Pinnacle
Central Crack, Pocketgate Quarry

Pocketgate is a SSSI with Pre-Cambrian rock of great geological / palaeontological significance and climbing there is *very* banned.

Quote
+ harder stuff at the Brand and a couple of decent sport routes at Hangingstone.

All assume good condition, and appreciation of short esoteric outcrop/quarry routes, YMMV etc etc

There used to be some decent routes at Huncote (e.g. The Rack, 3rd ascent me) and Whitwick too, long since landfilled.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Drew on September 30, 2012, 11:46:11 am
I think I've still got a copy of the guide showing the bouldering on the main building of Bangor Uni.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: ianvincent on September 30, 2012, 11:59:18 am
I once had a guide book for here:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4127/5107841319_e3c3eae3d3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/barelyreal/5107841319/)
The Bunker, Berlin (http://www.flickr.com/photos/barelyreal/5107841319/#) by tchihaya (http://www.flickr.com/people/barelyreal/), on Flickr

Bolted routes on Blockhouses and Flak towers around Berlin.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Doylo on September 30, 2012, 04:33:09 pm
I've got a guide for a random little Christian Core bouldering area in Northern Italy called Triora, don't think many people have heard of it.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: chummer on September 30, 2012, 09:12:45 pm
Never heard of it Doylo
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: AndyR on October 01, 2012, 12:31:52 am
I once had a guide book for here:



Bolted routes on Blockhouses and Flak towers around Berlin.
I used to have the guidebook for Finedon Slabs in Northamptonshire - an old iron ore loading bay constructed of concrete. Those ones in Berlin look like El Cap by comparison...
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: SA Chris on October 01, 2012, 08:05:32 am
still concrete though.

This looks a lot more pleasant

https://www.scottishclimbs.com/wiki/Blantyre_Towers (https://www.scottishclimbs.com/wiki/Blantyre_Towers)
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Nibile on October 01, 2012, 12:40:57 pm
I've got a guide for a random little Christian Core bouldering area in Northern Italy called Triora, don't think many people have heard of it.
Mostly famous for a diplomatic incident a few years ago, when in full summer Mauro Calibani went and flashed "Mano Aperta", that Core had given 8a. Turns out it's only 7b+/c but at the moment it caused a bit of a shock.

mano aperta flash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEj6e3W_P_M#)
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Doylo on October 01, 2012, 01:34:57 pm
I've got a guide for a random little Christian Core bouldering area in Northern Italy called Triora, don't think many people have heard of it.
Mostly famous for a diplomatic incident a few years ago, when in full summer Mauro Calibani went and flashed "Mano Aperta", that Core had given 8a. Turns out it's only 7b+/c but at the moment it caused a bit of a shock.

mano aperta flash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEj6e3W_P_M#)

Ye Danny Cattell did it when we were there, he was only 15 or so. Core 8a down to 7b+!!!  :o

Good video ha ha
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Pantontino on October 01, 2012, 03:36:12 pm
I once had a guide book for here:



Bolted routes on Blockhouses and Flak towers around Berlin.
I used to have the guidebook for Finedon Slabs in Northamptonshire - an old iron ore loading bay constructed of concrete. Those ones in Berlin look like El Cap by comparison...

I had that guide too - very strange 'crag'. I went there in 1983 for some reason.

Once when I was working for DR Climbing walls back in the early 90s I was asked to go back to a spray concrete lead tower that we had previously built at a military base near Carlisle. Myself and Rennie climbed all the routes and possible variations then I had to write a guidebook to it. Lovely sunny couple of days - almost felt like we were down at Trevallen (almost).
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: AndyR on October 01, 2012, 05:23:39 pm
I once had a guide book for here:



Bolted routes on Blockhouses and Flak towers around Berlin.
I used to have the guidebook for Finedon Slabs in Northamptonshire - an old iron ore loading bay constructed of concrete. Those ones in Berlin look like El Cap by comparison...

I had that guide too - very strange 'crag'. I went there in 1983 for some reason.


That must have been in the heady days of route development there! I was there after all the 'classics' had been established - probably 1987ish. I only went once - not a patch on Slawston...
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: fatdoc on October 01, 2012, 09:09:30 pm
... The first print of Colin Kirkus, how to climb... Or the 1978 climbers guide to pontesford rocks, Shropshire.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Offwidth on October 04, 2012, 09:54:52 pm
Wappy Spring guidelet, somewhere in Staffs I think. I'd be amazed if more than a handful of folk have heard of it.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: andy_e on October 04, 2012, 10:10:03 pm
I've got the beginnings of an attempt to document my favourite eliminates at Henry Price.
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: tregiffian on October 09, 2012, 10:44:30 am
Please, has anyone seen, owned or heard of a guide to the Palisades along the Hudson above NY? The word is that access is denied but there may be something from underground ??????
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: IS2 on October 14, 2012, 09:04:11 pm
The cleadon hills ......
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: IS2 on October 14, 2012, 09:08:17 pm
Can ' t lay my hands on it at the moment but an early 70's Castle Eden manuscript is in the loft somewhere!!! I believe the guide has outlived the crag!!
Title: Re: Your Most Obscure Guidebook
Post by: Muenchener on October 14, 2012, 10:46:55 pm
Can ' t lay my hands on it at the moment but an early 70's Castle Eden manuscript is in the loft somewhere!!! I believe the guide has outlived the crag!!

Pah! That's normal in Leicestershire.
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