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Title: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Bonjoy on January 04, 2011, 09:25:11 am
Another Millstone corker from the Farrar stable to report. Climbed yesterday. This is the vertical square cut arete forming the left side of the start of Great West Road (2nd arete left of Green Death if you only know the boulder probs) up its left side to a ledge at about 6 metres.
I’d abseiled and cleaned the line last spring on a wet day (was going to call it Brick Lane), but never got round to trying. Glad to see it go to a good home. It’s really rather good with a steady few moves at the start and then hard tenuous arete work with little for the left hand and a scary barndoor pop for an edge to finish.
Jamie got it on video so you can look forward to some stills, if you’re lucky  ;). Iain didn’t sound sure on the grade but suggested 8a as a best guess.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: nik at work on January 04, 2011, 09:40:04 am
The mighty Farrar ripping it up, oh yeah!
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: willackers on January 04, 2011, 09:53:19 am
Why keep telling us about these videos that we will never see?!?! Stop teasing us!  :'(

Good work on the send, sounds good......

Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: SA Chris on January 04, 2011, 12:48:21 pm
I think the vid / stills ref is a deliberate windup.

Sounds ace. Brick lane would have been a better name. Or the Perfect Angle.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: a dense loner on January 04, 2011, 02:06:28 pm
yes, i'm quite disappointed in iains lack of imagination this time. its a shit name, really shit
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Doylo on January 04, 2011, 02:09:56 pm
You got access to the vid dense?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Stubbs on January 04, 2011, 03:24:18 pm
Or at least L'angle Parfitt
(http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/artist-news/status-quo/rick-parfitt-lick-library-460-100-460-70.jpg)

Looks like a good bit of rock from the phototopo in the guide.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: willackers on January 04, 2011, 06:02:22 pm
I think the vid / stills ref is a deliberate windup.


Really?  ;)
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: dave on January 04, 2011, 07:35:59 pm
This looks about as badass a line as you're gonna get these days i recon. Awesome stuff from farrar monch. Any chance of finishing up adios amigos for an adrian berry style E10?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: GCW on January 04, 2011, 07:38:12 pm
Is it the left of the aretes in this photo:  http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=92968 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=92968)
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: cofe on January 04, 2011, 07:40:09 pm
yep, that's the one beast. the youngster is on fire!
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: a dense loner on January 04, 2011, 07:44:14 pm
You got access to the vid dense?
of course, i'm not a savage
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: jamesallum on January 05, 2011, 04:48:35 pm
An excellent show there from a man so rake like and long. I convey my congratulations and swish my Farrar mane hair piece with great pride. 
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: clm on January 05, 2011, 07:47:55 pm
can we break with tradition and petition him about the name? He could have gone 'l'angle plus que plus que parfait' if he was determined to name it all french.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 08, 2011, 09:16:17 pm
Repeated this today. Bit of a strange one - after an hour nobody had got anywhere climbing it on the left. Either we missed something crucial or its extremely morpho (Ryan is hardly short). Instead managed to do it more or less straight on, starting and finishing on the left. Unfortunately this is rather contrived as you can climb it on the right with the big shothole running down the right-hand side at about 6c+. Without it was fair bit harder, I thought perhaps 7a+/7b (similar to a big Angle Ben's), but the others thought harder. On the plus side the moves are very good and unlikely, but it is a total eliminate.

Here's nige with the moves:
(http://www.adamlong.co.uk/files/AL-millst-.jpg)

To get into the initial position you keep your left hand low, palming, and do a foot dyno. To top out you dyno your left foot up again then go out left to the seam, then right hand to top.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: cofe on January 08, 2011, 10:27:13 pm
So there's 3 potential ways of climbing it? Iain climbs it entirely on the left.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: dave on January 08, 2011, 11:55:00 pm
classic peak spotting there.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: andy_e on January 09, 2011, 12:00:22 am
L'angle Imparfait
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: SA Chris on January 09, 2011, 08:51:02 am
Nice stills, any vid?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Bonjoy on January 09, 2011, 11:48:47 am
I'll post up some sequence pics from the vid when i get a chance.
The way Iain did it involved getting two shit small edges quite far up and left then running feet up until RF is on pocket/pinchy bit of arete then bouleing for top edge with left.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Micky Connor on January 09, 2011, 12:37:04 pm
I'll post up some sequence pics from the vid when i get a chance.
The way Iain did it involved getting two shit small edges quite far up and left then running feet up until RF is on pocket/pinchy bit of arete then bouleing for top edge with left.

Is 'bouleing' a recognised term for a dynamic move with a high barndoor potential?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 09, 2011, 06:42:19 pm
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running feet up until RF is on pocket/pinchy bit of arete then bouleing for top edge with left

Think I ended up in this same position, but it wasn't much of a boule tbh. Maybe being from the midget demographic does have some advantages...
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Bonjoy on January 10, 2011, 09:25:56 am
The boule in question.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5126/5341905641_25b01a7882_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5203/5341905645_9a32d2fb98_b.jpg)
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: GCW on January 10, 2011, 09:45:00 am
That doesn't look barn doory at all.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: a dense loner on January 10, 2011, 10:48:34 am
just spoke to iain and he said he climbed it on the left since any other way you can escape into the huge drill hole, to miss this out really would be contrived
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Fiend on January 10, 2011, 11:10:37 am
I think we need some clear proof of the entire sequence....
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: SA Chris on January 10, 2011, 11:19:19 am
Yes, using some sort of motion based photography system. Should technology allow such a crazy concept to exist yet.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 10, 2011, 11:32:11 am
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just spoke to iain and he said he climbed it on the left since any other way you can escape into the huge drill hole, to miss this out really would be contrived

Had a chat with him last night over a couple in the norfolk arms, the furthest right hold is the same on both sequences. So either you contrive not to use any holds further right, or you contrive not to use the easiest sequence. Seeing a pattern? Its contrived. A shame, because the moves are great.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: cofe on January 10, 2011, 11:33:11 am
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just spoke to iain and he said he climbed it on the left since any other way you can escape into the huge drill hole, to miss this out really would be contrived

Had a chat with him last night over a couple in the norfolk arms, the furthest right hold is the same on both sequences. So either you contrive not to use any holds further right, or you contrive not to use the easiest sequence. Seeing a pattern? Its contrived. A shame, because the moves are great.

Is it not just the arete without the shot hole? That seems logical enough.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 10, 2011, 11:43:54 am
Yeah, I suppose it is. Logically contrived.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: dave on January 10, 2011, 11:50:23 am
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just spoke to iain and he said he climbed it on the left since any other way you can escape into the huge drill hole, to miss this out really would be contrived

Had a chat with him last night over a couple in the norfolk arms

Isn't that a bit rude? What did that couple say about it?

Iaiaiaian's way sounds least contrived to me. His way he wouldn't have the eliminated hold just to the side of him, he's have it way out of sight and presumably (crucially?) out of grabbing distance round the arete.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 10, 2011, 12:22:59 pm
Yeah. But in the Venn diagram of holds used my sequence sits entirely within his. His uses one hold extra for a harder sequence.

Its similar to Ben's Wall at RHS I guess. Either you can do it the normal way and avoid the arete, or you can do the harder left-hand rockover way for a less contrived sequence. Which does everyone do?

Maybe we need to stick a bonus tag on the crimp out left.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: cofe on January 10, 2011, 12:28:18 pm
I'm just going to mark it as 'Project' in the guide. Or call it Bohemian Grove.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: a dense loner on January 10, 2011, 12:40:44 pm
Unfortunately this is rather contrived as you can climb it on the right with the big shothole running down the right-hand side at about 6c+. Without it was fair bit harder, I thought perhaps 7a+/7b (similar to a big Angle Ben's), but the others thought harder. On the plus side the moves are very good and unlikely, but it is a total eliminate.

you can't reach the shothole climbing it the original way. your body is on the left the whole way. its an entirely seperate problem with no chance of escaping to easier territory.
its like getting rid of don and archangel and just getting the tick for going au cheval
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: cofe on January 10, 2011, 12:43:34 pm
Unfortunately this is rather contrived as you can climb it on the right with the big shothole running down the right-hand side at about 6c+. Without it was fair bit harder, I thought perhaps 7a+/7b (similar to a big Angle Ben's), but the others thought harder. On the plus side the moves are very good and unlikely, but it is a total eliminate.

you can't reach the shothole climbing it the original way. your body is on the left the whole way. its an entirely seperate problem with no chance of escaping to easier territory.
its like getting rid of don and archangel and just getting the tick for going au cheval

to be fair to dense, for once it seems he does have a point?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Ru on January 10, 2011, 12:49:00 pm
you can't reach the shothole climbing it the original way. your body is on the left the whole way. its an entirely seperate problem with no chance of escaping to easier territory.

I thought that was exacly what JB's sequence did - start on the left and used the same holds to swing right?

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its like getting rid of don and archangel and just getting the tick for going au cheval

Or it would be if climbing Archangel a cheval was the easiest sequence. But's not.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Nigel on January 10, 2011, 12:49:16 pm
My take on this line is that it is an eliminate, albeit a very logical and easy to describe one i.e. the arete sans shothole on the right. This being the case, Adam's solution is perfectly valid, and as it seems to be easier, then for me that should be the basis for grading it. I felt that Adam's way would be in the region of 7c.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 10, 2011, 12:56:51 pm
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to be fair to dense, for once it seems he does have a point?

He might have a point worth hearing if a) I hadn't had a long discussion with Iain about it last night and b) he had the first clue what my sequence involved and c) he had done a single move on it to decide for himself where the holds naturally lead.

Edit: I see Nige has posted and, incredibly, ticks all those boxes too! Lets listen to Dense though.

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Or it would be if climbing Archangel a cheval was the easiest sequence. But's not.

And what would you know about that?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: cofe on January 10, 2011, 12:59:55 pm
I'm getting bored of this. This is write up for guide:

L’Angle Parfait 7c
The impressive, vertical square-cut arête around and left of Green Death is climbed predominantly on its left-hand side, avoiding the vertical shot hole around right. Steady moves at the start are followed by hard, tenuous arête work, before a scary barn door pop for an edge at 5m to finish. Iain Farrar


Last chance...
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Ru on January 10, 2011, 01:02:38 pm
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Or it would be if climbing Archangel a cheval was the easiest sequence. But's not.
And what would you know about that?

So it is the easiest sequence?

Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: slackline on January 10, 2011, 01:06:50 pm
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Or it would be if climbing Archangel a cheval was the easiest sequence. But's not.
And what would you know about that?

So it is the easiest sequence?

If you're a show pony perhaps?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 10, 2011, 01:10:51 pm
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Or it would be if climbing Archangel a cheval was the easiest sequence. But's not.

And what would you know about that?

So it is the easiest sequence?

So Don Whillans said.

Yeast Bums Dogs 7b+
The impressive, vertical square-cut arête around and left of Green Death gives a good 6c+ using the vertical shot hole on the right. Better and harder is to eliminate it with cryptic, tenuous arête work either direct or via an edge out left.
Iain Farrar


Quote from Iain 'I did think someone like you or Nige would be able to do it an easier way with some fancy smearing'.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Ru on January 10, 2011, 01:12:44 pm
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Or it would be if climbing Archangel a cheval was the easiest sequence. But's not.

And what would you know about that?

So it is the easiest sequence?

So Don Whillans said.


I stand corrected.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: cofe on January 10, 2011, 01:14:23 pm
Sorted.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: erm, sam on January 10, 2011, 01:34:18 pm
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tenuous arête work
Wow. Work! Is it just me, or is there something unaspirational about that phrase?  It makes it sound like climbing the arete is er, work when it should be fun. Doesn't it? Maybe it is some modern bouldering terminology I haven't kept up with but it feels a bit odd. Not that I expect the guidebook rewritten to my exact spec or anything.

Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Bonjoy on January 10, 2011, 01:37:11 pm
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Or it would be if climbing Archangel a cheval was the easiest sequence. But's not.

And what would you know about that?

So it is the easiest sequence?

So Don Whillans said.

Yeast Bums Dogs 7b+
The impressive, vertical square-cut arête around and left of Green Death gives a good 6c+ using the vertical shot hole on the right. Better and harder is to eliminate it with cryptic, tenuous arête work either direct or via an edge out left.
Iain Farrar


Quote from Iain 'I did think someone like you or Nige would be able to do it an easier way with some fancy smearing'.
I'm sure his exact wording was "...someone like you or Nige with your silky footwork" An important distinction to make I feel.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Somebody's Fool on January 10, 2011, 01:55:05 pm
I was fairly tipsy by the time the exchange took place as I was the wrong side of two pints of Moonshine, but I'm pretty sure his exact phrasing was:

 '...someone like you or Nige could have worked out an easier sequence because it's frightening how silky your footwork is!'
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: nodder on January 10, 2011, 02:02:52 pm
I wasnt there but are you sure it wasnt

"I knew some twat would ruin it, my ways much better shame you couldn't do it"

?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Nigel on January 10, 2011, 02:28:18 pm
I was fairly tipsy by the time the exchange took place as I was the wrong side of two pints of Moonshine, but I'm pretty sure his exact phrasing was:

 '...someone like you or Nige could have worked out an easier sequence because it's frightening how silky your footwork is!'

I was stone cold sober, and I believe Ian's word's were:

'...someone like you or Nige could have worked out an easier sequence because it's frightening how snazzy your footwork is!'
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 10, 2011, 04:48:14 pm
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tenuous arête work
Wow. Work! Is it just me, or is there something unaspirational about that phrase?  It makes it sound like climbing the arete is er, work when it should be fun. Doesn't it? Maybe it is some modern bouldering terminology I haven't kept up with but it feels a bit odd. Not that I expect the guidebook rewritten to my exact spec or anything.

Right you are.

Yeast Bums Dogs 7b+
The impressive, vertical square-cut arête around and left of Green Death gives a good 6c+ using the vertical shot hole on the right. Better and harder is to eliminate it with a cryptic, tenuous mini-break at Centre-parcs, either direct or via an edge out left.
Iain Farrar


We should do everything by committee. The names would certainly improve.

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I was stone cold sober, and I believe Ian's word's were:

'...someone like you or Nige could have worked out an easier sequence because it's frightening how snazzy your footwork is!'

According to the recording on my phone, Iain's exact words were:

'...someone like you or frightening Nige could have worked out an easier sequence because it's how snazzy your silky footwork is!'

though if I play it backwards, its more like 'yyyoooaaassstt boooaaaammmmsss hoooooonndds'
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Jaspersharpe on January 10, 2011, 05:00:29 pm

  mini-break at Centre-parcs,


I thought he said he wanted it to sound fun?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 10, 2011, 05:02:43 pm
The fishing is free and the kids are taken care of. What more do you want?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Jaspersharpe on January 10, 2011, 05:16:41 pm
An owl sanctuary.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: tomtom on January 10, 2011, 05:23:30 pm
coming in spring 2011 apparently...
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Will Hunt on January 10, 2011, 10:35:04 pm
Dragging this back to Archangel au cheval am I wrong in thinking that it was climbed like that by Don on top rope with tyre rubber strapped to his legs making it easier than a conventional layback up the left side. Clearly a point of aid. Tut tut.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 10, 2011, 10:53:51 pm
The toprope? I know, its a fucking disgrace.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 19, 2011, 06:01:40 pm
Longle Parfait got a couple more repeats today. Much to my dismay they didn't include me, so I think its fair to say I got lucky last time and the grade is around 7c.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: cofe on January 19, 2011, 06:18:23 pm
Who did it? Anyone do it on the left?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 19, 2011, 06:35:35 pm
Ned & BBGuns. I'm not sure the left way is likely to get much attention, its just the same holds but a worse sequence, and morpho.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: a dense loner on January 20, 2011, 02:13:20 pm
oh this is good, repeated by adam, ned, and bransby. yes i can see how you 1st thought 7a+/b. varian or adams next? maybe 7a
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 20, 2011, 04:44:31 pm
I thought 7a+ because last time, once I had the idea on the sequence, I did it immediately. Having since seen the great and good struggle to emulate my feat I'll gracefully accept that both my vision and ability did exceed my estimation.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: clm on January 20, 2011, 09:20:01 pm
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tenuous arête work
Wow. Work! Is it just me, or is there something unaspirational about that phrase?  It makes it sound like climbing the arete is er, work when it should be fun. Doesn't it? Maybe it is some modern bouldering terminology I haven't kept up with but it feels a bit odd. Not that I expect the guidebook rewritten to my exact spec or anything.

Right you are.

Yeast Bums Dogs 7b+
The impressive, vertical square-cut arête around and left of Green Death gives a good 6c+ using the vertical shot hole on the right. Better and harder is to eliminate it with a cryptic, tenuous mini-break at Centre-parcs, either direct or via an edge out left.
Iain Farrar


We should do everything by committee. The names would certainly improve.

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I was stone cold sober, and I believe Ian's word's were:

'...someone like you or Nige could have worked out an easier sequence because it's frightening how snazzy your footwork is!'

According to the recording on my phone, Iain's exact words were:

'...someone like you or frightening Nige could have worked out an easier sequence because it's how snazzy your silky footwork ego is!'

Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: a dense loner on January 21, 2011, 11:13:35 am
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to be fair to dense, for once it seems he does have a point?

He might have a point worth hearing if a) I hadn't had a long discussion with Iain about it last night and b) he had the first clue what my sequence involved and c) he had done a single move on it to decide for himself where the holds naturally lead.

Edit: I see Nige has posted and, incredibly, ticks all those boxes too! Lets listen to Dense though.

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Or it would be if climbing Archangel a cheval was the easiest sequence. But's not.

And what would you know about that?
thats weird because
a) starting the day after your little chat with iain i sat in a 20ft sq cold box with him for 2 days then drove to glasgow and back down for another job, ie we spent a lot of time in close proximity. i drew the line at anal sex but was ok using a rubber fist on him. he told me that your sequence had nothing to do with his climbing the arete and he originally tried like this however you could easily go to the shot hole so he didn't continue since he wanted to climb it on its left hand side. all people need to do is go to millstone, its quite obvious what to do
b) you told me your sequence and i'm quite confident in the ability of my ears
c) when everyone finished laughing cos i didn't trust my right foot on the first move for a few attempts i got to the second undercut jug with my right and came over with my left. not the crux i grant you but a few moves more than one. i left it since a)i knew i wouldn't do it and had no interest in going back and b) i really have no interest climbing on grit, sacrilige i know but not everyone likes the same things.

on 2 brief asides, what has where the holds naturally lead got to do with anything? its 2011, the description could be "climb the arete on its fucking left" its quite simple if you don't climb it on its left then you haven't climbed it on its left
the other aside i know nothing about don et al, what i do know is that climbing don is not climbing archangel is not climbing au cheval. again its quite simple
i do believe iains other words were does the show pony sit at home waiting for new probs to be done in the peak so he can go and immediately downgrade the ones he can do?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: hairich on January 21, 2011, 11:32:44 am
i am off ill today.that made me lol.confident in the ability of my ears,fucking genius.i am still laughing whilst typing.thanks lee
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 21, 2011, 12:25:57 pm
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on 2 brief asides, what has where the holds naturally lead got to do with anything? its 2011, the description could be "climb the arete on its fucking left" its quite simple if you don't climb it on its left then you haven't climbed it on its left

Oh, for fuck's sake Lee, this is getting ridiculous. So you know what Iain did, but you don't know what we did?

IAIN DIDN'T CLIMB IT ENTIRELY ON THE LEFT. OH NO HE DIDN'T.

Both sequences pull on, then go to the big undercut well on the right - a few inches from the shothole in fact. For both sequences this is the furthest right hold on the problem. See Ryan's hand here -

(http://adamlong.co.uk/files/AL-millst-2408.jpg)

Is this 'entirely' on the left or not? Or is it 'a cheval'? At this point, and this may be a shock - Ryan could be on either sequence. From here BOTH sequences bring the right foot in to frog the arete. For BOTH sequences this enables hands to match on the arete, right hand above left. BOTH sequences then reach out to small crimps on the left wall, place right foot high - on the same hold, then go to top. The difference being mine uses left hand on the pinch Iain uses with his right. Big fucking difference. Clearly Iain's sequence is a shining paragon of logic and purity, whereas mine is a shitty cop-out.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: account_inactive on January 21, 2011, 12:46:12 pm
Sorry, can someone explain what's going on.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: SA Chris on January 21, 2011, 12:57:55 pm
Someone did something and then someone did the same thing but differently. Then someone else did it too.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: tomtom on January 21, 2011, 01:02:00 pm
Someone did something and then someone did the same thing but differently. Then someone else did it too.

And.. someones got something on video of someone on something but someone wont let anyone see what someone videoed of someone on something.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: grimer on January 21, 2011, 01:12:23 pm
I've not done it. I've never even tried it. In fact, I've got a video of me never even trying it.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: a dense loner on January 21, 2011, 02:13:03 pm
i want to see the video of you not trying grimer, otherwise i simply won't believe you, unless of course you show someone we all trust and they tell me you're not trying it

as for the other i couldn't really care either way. just pointing a couple of things out that i was told, since iain doesn't look on net. as someone else said it's not that good a problem however you do it
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: grimer on January 21, 2011, 05:28:25 pm
Only two pepole have seen the video. One is dead, the other has gone mad. What more can I say? Therefore I simply refuse to upload it. However, I do have a video of someone watching the video which clearly shows credulity on the part of the observer and I'll show you that.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: tomtom on January 21, 2011, 05:30:12 pm
Only two pepole have seen the video. One is dead, the other has gone mad. What more can I say? Therefore I simply refuse to upload it. However, I do have a video of someone watching the video which clearly shows credulity on the part of the observer and I'll show you that.

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Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: T_B on January 21, 2011, 05:31:41 pm
I can't be bothered to read all the posts above, but why doesn't he just reach that nice looking runnel thing with his right hand?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 21, 2011, 05:32:39 pm
Because that would make it a damn good 6c+, and its 2011 and that's too easy to bother with.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Moo on January 21, 2011, 05:49:49 pm
who belayed the person who we can watch watching the video?
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: tomtom on January 21, 2011, 05:52:37 pm
who belayed the person who we can watch watching the video?

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Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: grimer on January 21, 2011, 05:54:24 pm
You're always onto a winner with monkey pictures.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Fiend on January 21, 2011, 06:14:00 pm
Genius. This discussion is quite probably better than the problem / line / variations.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: cofe on January 24, 2011, 09:33:25 am
Had an email from Young Iain. He tried to register and post, and failed, so he's asked me to post up for him, inc the vid:

Quote from: Young Iain Farrar
ok yoots you've finally managed to draw me in to posting on the net.... here's what i have to say...

first and most importantly.... Dense did not fist me with his rubber fist... its true,   we did share a room in the Glasgow Etap but my arse was the same size in the morning as it was when i went to sleep... so unless he used his rubber babby's fist or his lazy lamb and a handkerchief soaked in chloroform i think i'm safe... 

second.....  the whole point of the problem for me and the fellas i tried it with was to climb the arete on its left hand side, we toyed with getting the pinch how adam did (with the left hand) but it brings you round to the right and you then have to eliminate the shothole and the crack...climb it the other way and it doesn't feel at all eliminate and the moves are also  excellent.  As for the morpho thing.. jamie and dan both got to the second crimp out left from the same foothold as me and they are not tall.....

....and remember its bouldering, its for fun... go and climb both versions, they are both valid in their own way.

here's the video to show that i am actually on the left hand side....

http://vimeo.com/19119074 (http://vimeo.com/19119074)

Adam, we will have to agree to disagree about which version is the most worthwhile, but lets have no more defamatory comments or i'll have to come round and take your dignity with denses'  rubber fist.........the big rough one..... :-o

peace and love,

iain.

Young Iain (http://vimeo.com/19119074)
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Jaspersharpe on January 24, 2011, 09:59:01 am
Had an email from Young Iain. He tried to register and post, and failed

Of course! :lol:
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Fiend on January 24, 2011, 10:01:11 am
Word Iain. Thanks for posting that video. Forget all the shite about pride vs. secrecy vs. internet vs. WHO REALLY GIVES A SHIT. It's just nice to see some cool climbing of a new problem -SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Looks like a good problem that way. Sounds like it would be a good problemn both ways.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 24, 2011, 10:14:50 am
The only defamatory comments were about Dense sticking his oar in.

The problem with that vid is you can't see the massive jugs round to the right used for the start (see my photo on p3). When I turned up, having heard 'it was climbed entirely on the left' I was surprised to see them chalked. If you use them, then you are choosing not to use the shothole, no question. Check out Iain's position at 7-8 secs. If that's on the left then so was our version. We just did that with for half a move more - left foot a bit higher. As I've laboured above, you than swing left as per Iain, and do a similar last move. I've not trying to do down what Iain did here, its just clear to me that these are two sequences on the same eliminate. If anyone wants to climb the arete entirely on the left the challenge is still there.

The best problem here is the arete with the shothole. Then you only have to eliminate bridging up the 5c corner. 6c+ - dynamite. Get to it.


Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: 205Chris on February 26, 2011, 08:54:01 pm
The best problem here is the arete with the shothole. Then you only have to eliminate bridging up the 5c corner. 6c+ - dynamite. Get to it.

A couple of us did this today (with the shothole). JB is not wrong, it's a class problem this way for those who may not possess the necessary skills for the harder variants.

We may not have been using the best sequence but it felt at least 7a to us. Probably worth mentioning as well that you need a decent pad stack for the jump off the jug unless you fancy soloing the rest of an E2.

Definitely a good addition to the Millstone / Owler tour circuit.
Title: Re: [Peak][Millstone][L'angle Parfait][8a]
Post by: Nan on June 07, 2011, 09:50:47 pm
Vid of the shothole method, wicked problem this way.  Sorry it took so long to upload it and link it.
L'angle Parfait (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FoWcJTqrjM&hd=1#)
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