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Title: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wipey Why on August 12, 2010, 02:10:59 pm
Supposed to be a velcro Dragon (maybe like the original ones)

(http://www.deadpointmag.com/sites/default/files/uploads/images/Blackwing.jpg)

Anybody know anything about these?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Ru on August 12, 2010, 02:24:08 pm
If these genuinely are a dragon with a velcro closing, and fit like a dragon, and everything else, like a dragon, but with velcro, then they are already my favourite shoe ever. They look quite dapper too.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cofe on August 12, 2010, 02:25:02 pm
i'd heard rumours about a downturned anasazi, demo-ed in Salt Lake last week. maybe this is it. lucks pretty michael jackson to me.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Richie Crouch on August 12, 2010, 02:30:01 pm
Would be nice to see a bigger picture of the Green Hornet shoe thats also in the making, I liked the sound of a laceup project too!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Ru on August 12, 2010, 02:32:46 pm
i'd heard rumours about a downturned anasazi, demo-ed in Salt Lake last week. maybe this is it. lucks pretty michael jackson to me.

No there's one of those as well, the Arrowhead or something. That might also be my favourite shoe ever. At least for the one season that they produce them.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: chris05 on August 12, 2010, 02:33:03 pm
The blackwing is a velcro version of the dragon, whilst the downturned anasazi is a seperate shoe, see here:

http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/5/455765-largest_anasazi_001.JPG (http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/5/455765-largest_anasazi_001.JPG)

There's also a new moc

Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wipey Why on August 12, 2010, 02:34:22 pm
lucks pretty michael jackson to me.

Shamone!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cofe on August 12, 2010, 02:40:35 pm
let's hope the 5.10 idiots don't discontinue the dragon lace-up then. those of us with weird feet need laces.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wipey Why on August 12, 2010, 02:41:04 pm
There's also a new moc

This one?
(http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/5/455645-largest_supermocc_025.JPG)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: chris05 on August 12, 2010, 02:42:11 pm
thats the one
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cofe on August 12, 2010, 02:44:50 pm
that looks decent too.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: chris05 on August 12, 2010, 02:47:30 pm
Looks like the prices may also go up (closer to sportivas) according to this site   :(

http://www.rockclimbing.com/Articles/Gear_and_Reviews/Outdoor_Retailer_Summer_Market_2010_Wrap-up_1134.html (http://www.rockclimbing.com/Articles/Gear_and_Reviews/Outdoor_Retailer_Summer_Market_2010_Wrap-up_1134.html)

the velcro's will retail for $145-150, whilst the mocs will be $110, so £96 and £70 respectively, unless prices are different in the US for climbing shoes? :-\
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Krank on August 12, 2010, 02:48:19 pm
Arrowhead Anasazi

(http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/5/455765-largest_anasazi_001.JPG)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Richie Crouch on August 12, 2010, 04:02:45 pm
Too many new shoes!

(http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/5/455675-largest_python_019.JPG) looks rather nice too
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Adam Lincoln on August 12, 2010, 04:16:10 pm
Indeed, the Shaman!
(http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/0/455660-largest_shaman_022.JPG)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Johnny Brown on August 12, 2010, 04:26:34 pm
Nice Adam. Evolv nearly got overlooked there.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Adam Lincoln on August 12, 2010, 04:32:36 pm
Nice Adam. Evolv nearly got overlooked there.

 ;)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Jim on August 12, 2010, 10:03:51 pm
lets just hope the tennies turn out to be amazing and not massive dissapointments like the last lot (jet-7 and teams)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on August 12, 2010, 10:31:02 pm
Hopefully Evolv will work on the aesthetics of the Shaman before putting it out. Climbing performance aside, no-one wants to look like they've just been sick on their shoes.

Disappointments Jim? I love the Jet7's (have had 3 pairs now) and now they're finally broken in (and a bit easier to get on) my teams are excellent.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Richie Crouch on August 12, 2010, 10:34:35 pm
^ what Stubbs said, although I do know a fair few who tried the Team's and didn't fancy the fit, so stuck to Dragon's. Always exciting to see new shoe ranges and work out next years shoe budget  :greed:
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cofe on August 12, 2010, 10:38:22 pm
i couldn't get teams on, and could barely get jet7s on (high arch/instep?). thankfully dragons are the shit. all these new shoes make me think they're going to bin dragons off like they usually do with their good shoes after a year or two.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on August 12, 2010, 10:55:14 pm
Thankfully my feet seem to be a similar shape to the five ten foot model!  I hear what you're saying about discontinuing the Dragon, hopefully they learn't their lesson after the V10, but who knows...
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Monolith on August 12, 2010, 11:14:26 pm
I'm still in my V10s. I refuse to believe they could make me a better shoe. These new Dragon variants do look a potential good consolation prize mind.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Carnage on August 12, 2010, 11:40:35 pm
Some of these look awsome. Hope they've on the shelves by the time I hit NYC at the end of Sept and I'll be able to stock up. ;D
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Jim on August 13, 2010, 07:19:06 pm
Stubbs & Richie, you're the only 2 people I've heard that say that.
Everyone I know with jet 7's use them as wall shoes and they bag out like mad and when I tried the teams on, I thought I was going to break them
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: robertostallioni on August 13, 2010, 07:21:39 pm
I'm in camp Crouch. No, literally.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Richie Crouch on August 13, 2010, 07:48:45 pm
I found them brilliant when broken in for font, being soft and also toe down so you can feel what your doing really nicely on steeper stuff as well as walls/slabs.They seemed a lot better than moccasyms on wall and slab climbs and more useful than teams on steeper stuff that didn't require crucial heels. Found the projects really good in font unless you had to pull on a heel where it came off a lot.

Wore Jet 7's for pretty much most things in magic last year and in the cave all year till I wore through the crozzly rubber on top of the right toe. Good shoes and had 2 pairs of them.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: tomtom on August 13, 2010, 07:52:07 pm
Five Ten Blackwing   8)
 
What a brilliant name for a rock boot. It makes me think of some stealth attack helicopter...

(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/topgay6.jpg)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: robertostallioni on August 13, 2010, 07:58:11 pm
Better than,

"Yeehah, MadRock Jester's dead."
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: tomtom on August 13, 2010, 08:05:48 pm
Better than,

"Yeehah, MadRock Jester's dead."

 ;D deserves a wad for sharpness....
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: BB on August 14, 2010, 09:43:56 am
"You can be my blackwing man anytime"
"Bullshit, you can be mine"
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: benpritch on August 14, 2010, 11:22:54 am
Stubbs & Richie, you're the only 2 people I've heard that say that.
Everyone I know with jet 7's use them as wall shoes and they bag out like mad and when I tried the teams on, I thought I was going to break them

teams are amazing. like V10s but way better IMO
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Phil-p on August 15, 2010, 10:13:21 pm
Hi Richie, wot site was it that you found the info on the new sportivas. They look the dogs
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Richie Crouch on August 16, 2010, 10:51:06 am
It was just a photo off the same page all of the 5.10 photos were linked from:

http://www.rockclimbing.com/Articles/Gear_and_Reviews/Outdoor_Retailer_Summer_Market_2010_Wrap-up_1134.html (http://www.rockclimbing.com/Articles/Gear_and_Reviews/Outdoor_Retailer_Summer_Market_2010_Wrap-up_1134.html)

Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on August 16, 2010, 11:31:32 am
The heel on the velcro dragons looks a bit dodgy, like the kind that leave a massive air gap everywhere but on your achilles?

The arrowheads however; Potentially NSFW.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Doylo on August 16, 2010, 05:54:51 pm
I like my teams but they are too hard to get on (resulting in inevitable eventual rippage)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on August 16, 2010, 06:00:25 pm
The heel on the velcro dragons looks a bit dodgy...

It looks exactly the same as the heel on my Dragons, question?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on August 16, 2010, 06:08:57 pm
earlier ones had a different heel, voila:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/DSC00201.jpg)

For me, those ^ fit better than the new style, which I'm still avoiding breaking in and actually, for everything recently I've been favouring whites anyway.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on August 16, 2010, 06:44:58 pm
Ah yeah I had some of those, but any self respecting punter has worn those out by now!  The plasticy bits where the laces run broke on mine.

I actually prefer the new heel as the old ones went a bit too squidgy for my liking.

Can imagine you've been favouring the blanco's, not much call for a downturned toe on Preposterous Tales!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on August 16, 2010, 07:02:11 pm
I was meaning during the trip and on relevant stuff. Any boot will do for the trad grade I'm climbing at maybe even ones with nails.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cofe on August 16, 2010, 08:24:26 pm
i prefer the old heel too. the gap in the rubber allowed the diagonal rubber strip to grip and hold the heel much better. now they're just plastered in rubber and (slightly) less secure/precise I feel.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on August 17, 2010, 01:35:22 pm
Dudes. Having had all of these on my feet (albeit sitting on the floor at a tradeshow) I have to say the Blackwings appeared mostly gash. It felt much more like a softened and lightened Jet7 than a Dragon. On he other hand, they haven't even decided which rubber to put on so they maight be substantially changed before (if*) they come out.  *Word is they may be dropped.

The Hornet seemed the Dogs. Much improved on the project. 4mm rubber and similar stiffness to the Team but possible to get into without tearing your middle fingers off.

The Arrowhead sample was too big for Tim and I to be able to be sure how we felt about it. Probably very commercial and not bad but neither of us were excited by it. We'd really need to climb in it to be sure it's not a Matador.

The Lace-Up dragon is still going to be in the line.

I'm told there is an outside chance of us getting pairs to test so will let y'all know how we get on if we do.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on August 17, 2010, 01:52:18 pm
Did you see these?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KCpkTLUIzzE/TFxIo1e3TzI/AAAAAAAAHEQ/k-apHUCYssk/s1600/Five+Ten+Quantum.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KCpkTLUIzzE/TFxIo1e3TzI/AAAAAAAAHEQ/k-apHUCYssk/s1600/Five+Ten+Quantum.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KCpkTLUIzzE/TFxIo1e3TzI/AAAAAAAAHEQ/k-apHUCYssk/s1600/Five+Ten+Quantum.jpg)

They look like a Dragon with an Anasazi heel; are they just trying a load of different concepts out?

(From http://climbingholdreview.blogspot.com/2010/08/new-stuff-august.html (http://climbingholdreview.blogspot.com/2010/08/new-stuff-august.html) )
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on August 17, 2010, 02:02:40 pm
Did you see these?

They look like a Dragon with an Anasazi heel; are they just trying a load of different concepts out?


Yep. Very crudely they are a downturned version of the Verde last. Very definately not a Dragon. What the pictures aren't really showing is how assymetric (or not) things are.

The Arrowhead and Quantum were both pretty conventional straight lasts with a downturn. The Quantum felt promising to us so perhaps the Arrowhead also would be decent in the right size. Both seemed like a decent choice for the modern youngster who thinks they need a downturned shoe for bouldering but really isn't man (or woman) enough for Dragons or Teams.

For the descerning Lady or Gentleman in the non-punter category I reckon Dragon, Team and Hornet will be the big guns in the armoury.


And before anyone asks. We did see the super-moc. It looked awful, felt good to me and bad to Tim so we're reserving judgement for now.

The high-top anasazi velcro (forget the name) I absolutely will not discuss. I have standards to uphold.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on August 17, 2010, 02:18:40 pm
Thanks man, it will be interesting to see which ones they run with, and good news about the Dragon staying on the lineup!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on August 17, 2010, 02:30:57 pm
they need to get rid of that purple ASAP, someone might think you were wearing Scarpa slippers or something daft.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on August 17, 2010, 02:57:52 pm
they need to get rid of that purple ASAP, someone might think you were wearing Scarpa slippers or something daft.

What, you don't want to look like you're wearing a pair of purple pythons on your feet? I kinda liked it. Perhaps I'm wierd.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wipey Why on October 12, 2010, 08:57:58 am
It would appear that Five Ten have started selling the Blackwing. There are Male and Female versions  :-\

http://www.rockcreek.com/five-ten/blackwing-womens/ (http://www.rockcreek.com/five-ten/blackwing-womens/)

http://www.rockcreek.com/five-ten/blackwing-mens/ (http://www.rockcreek.com/five-ten/blackwing-mens/)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on October 12, 2010, 11:06:22 am
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/DSC00201.jpg)

(http://www.rockcreek.com/images_products/colors/five-ten/1166_03_092010b.jpg)

Looks good to me.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 12, 2010, 11:14:17 am
Not the most technical looking toe I've ever seen on a boot though...

(http://www.rockcreek.com/images_products/colors/five-ten/1166_06_092010b.jpg)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wipey Why on October 12, 2010, 11:22:52 am
The female version would appear to be slightly different

(http://www.rockcreek.com/images_products/colors/five-ten/1166_03_092010b.jpg)

(http://www.rockcreek.com/images_products/colors/five-ten/1168_03_092010b.jpg)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on October 12, 2010, 11:25:07 am
Not the most technical looking toe I've ever seen on a boot though...

Spade is the new downturned!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on October 12, 2010, 11:30:06 am
Not the most technical looking toe I've ever seen on a boot though...

Spade is the new downturned!
that shape reminds me of what Jet 7 builds look like on my feet.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on October 12, 2010, 11:33:45 am
I just had a look at my Dragons, Jet 7's and Teams from above and they all look similar to this. Waiaiaiaiaian did say that

Quote
I have to say the Blackwings appeared mostly gash. It felt much more like a softened and lightened Jet7 than a Dragon.

probably won't stop me buying some if they make it to these shores!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Jaspersharpe on October 12, 2010, 11:43:18 am
You have a problem (and I'm not talking about veganism).
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on October 12, 2010, 11:51:01 am
You might remember (from the dim and distant past) that when you go climbing regularly, you wear shoes out  ;)  They're all pretty knackered except for the teams. But yes, I do have a shoe problem...
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cofe on October 12, 2010, 11:51:16 am
leave him alone Jasper, short people have feelings too.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on October 12, 2010, 09:42:46 pm
I just had a look at my Dragons, Jet 7's and Teams from above and they all look similar to this. Waiaiaiaiaian did say that

Quote
I have to say the Blackwings appeared mostly gash. It felt much more like a softened and lightened Jet7 than a Dragon.

probably won't stop me buying some if they make it to these shores!

I did, and I stand by it. On the other hand, I tried a sample and who knows what it will morph into.

I'm genuinely amazed if they are on sale somewhere already. Only a fortnight ago they weren't certain which rubber was going on (Mystique, C4 and POnyxx were all mooted).

Lastly, if they get here, we'll stock them, whatever I thought of the sample. I gave up trying to decide which to stock and they still haven't got me trial pairs of the Hornet and Arrowhead so I'm just taking the easy way out and stocking the whole damn FiveTen line.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on October 12, 2010, 11:12:27 pm
Emailed the store, they're expecting the arrowheads in Jan. I 'was' thinking of getting nats folks to pick up a pair whilst they're over there but if they're 'softer and lighter' (how the f*ck?), then it'll be pass from me.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Moo on October 13, 2010, 12:58:32 am
wiain you haven't been talking to barnsey about your buying plan have you?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on October 13, 2010, 11:50:00 am
wiain you haven't been talking to barnsey about your buying plan have you?

Would that be Barnsey the teacher? If he's gonna duck out someone has to fly the flag. Although I thought V12 were the masters of what I'll call the "we'll have it" school of buying rockshoes  :)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cheque on November 10, 2010, 05:16:43 pm
The Five Ten website has new shoes on it. (http://fiveten.com/products/product-search/tag/footweartype/Microns_m23/)

No sign ofthe Supermocc, but some others mentioned in this thread are there.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on November 10, 2010, 05:27:53 pm
Green 'Hornet' - Nov '10
Arrowhead - Nov '10
Blackwing - Dec '10 (err didn't someone link these for sale somewhere else already?, also the Womens version only goes down to a UK4 which seems idiotic)
Anasazi LV lapis teal - Nov '10
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on November 10, 2010, 05:43:16 pm
Green 'Hornet' - Nov '10
Arrowhead - Nov '10
Blackwing - Dec '10 (err didn't someone link these for sale somewhere else already?, also the Womens version only goes down to a UK4 which seems idiotic)
Anasazi LV lapis teal - Nov '10

Only in Fivetenland I suspect. For those of us in the real world I'll put my money on April, which is when the new shoes always arrive, irrespective of alleged due dates.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on November 10, 2010, 05:45:54 pm
which are you intending on stocking  :-\ ?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on November 10, 2010, 07:06:41 pm
which are you intending on stocking  :-\ ?

The whole caboodle. The lot. Every goddamn one of them. Even the abomination I cannot name but which Dean Potter helped design.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on November 10, 2010, 07:19:57 pm

The whole caboodle. The lot. Every goddamn one of them.

Awesome, I'll take one pair of each of the ones not made of cow!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: robertostallioni on November 10, 2010, 09:51:21 pm

Blackwing - Dec '10 (err didn't someone link these for sale somewhere else already?, also the Womens version only goes down to a UK4 which seems idiotic)

Unlucky Stu/Ru
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Ru on November 11, 2010, 10:03:56 am
Unlucky Stu/Ru

Ho ho ho. My feet aren't that small! Size 4 is fine.

Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Nibile on November 12, 2010, 05:08:05 pm
which are you intending on stocking  :-\ ?

The whole caboodle. The lot. Every goddamn one of them. Even the abomination I cannot name but which Dean Potter helped design.
and that's how a man speaks.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Nibile on November 12, 2010, 05:51:13 pm
must say that the Hornet looks very good.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: tommytwotone on November 14, 2010, 10:34:29 pm
I note the Hornet uses "Mystique" rubber.

So so so scandalous.

(http://www.plong.com/MusicCatalog/M/Mis-Teeq%20-%20Mis-Teeq/Mis-Teeq%20-%20Mis-Teeq.jpg)

Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: dave on November 15, 2010, 08:53:35 am
From reading the martketing nonsense-platitudes on their site can anyone actually tell me what the real difference between the dragon and hornet is supposed to be? Other than just making sure you've got 2 colour options to co-ordinate with any outfit?

Ditto arrowhead and blackwing.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: peewee on November 15, 2010, 11:05:59 am
From the pictures it looks like the toes are a lot less technical, looks more like an optimus prime toe.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on November 15, 2010, 11:39:54 am
Comparing the Dragons and Hornets on plan the lacing looks very different (curved on the hornets)

On the other two the heels look different on plan but I can't see a lot else.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: dave on November 15, 2010, 11:44:42 am
I suppose the big question is which ones will still be on their product lineup in a years time, and which ones will l be buying for £50 out of a bargin bin.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: sidewinder on November 18, 2010, 10:24:52 am
Initial sponsored athlete so possibly somewhat impartial report on the phantoms (lace anasazi with downturned toe)
http://fiveten.com/community/blog/10676-bret-johnston-tries-out-the-new-quantums (http://fiveten.com/community/blog/10676-bret-johnston-tries-out-the-new-quantums)
I wish when I bought (or in this case got given) shoes I randomly received extra pairs of new models in the delivery box.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: weakdave on November 18, 2010, 02:14:29 pm
I might put an order in and see what turns up!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Emyrr on January 11, 2011, 08:46:24 pm
http://www.bananafingers.co.uk/fiveten-blackwing-p-945.html (http://www.bananafingers.co.uk/fiveten-blackwing-p-945.html)

Price is pretty eye-watering!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wipey Why on January 11, 2011, 08:57:37 pm
http://www.bananafingers.co.uk/fiveten-blackwing-p-945.html (http://www.bananafingers.co.uk/fiveten-blackwing-p-945.html)

Price is pretty eye-watering!

Ouch!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Doctor Lokov on January 11, 2011, 09:16:16 pm
Ludicrous would be closer to the mark!  :jaw:
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Drew on January 11, 2011, 09:40:11 pm
Better get used to it. Everyone (except maybe Boreal) are going to be around that price.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on January 11, 2011, 09:47:38 pm
"Going to be" as of when?  Outside still seem to have relatively cheap prices after the VAT rise http://www.outside.co.uk/cgi-bin/psProdSrch.cgi?formCategory=Rock%20Boots&formBrand=All&search_text=&srchType=&orderColumn=price&orderPriceOrder=desc (http://www.outside.co.uk/cgi-bin/psProdSrch.cgi?formCategory=Rock%20Boots&formBrand=All&search_text=&srchType=&orderColumn=price&orderPriceOrder=desc)

as do V12 http://www.v12outdoor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=168&page=1&sort=4d&oscsid=372c7274e5f937839de99aa5794abb29 (http://www.v12outdoor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=168&page=1&sort=4d&oscsid=372c7274e5f937839de99aa5794abb29)

Are we talking about as new models come in?  I might buy a couple of pairs of teams now then!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wipey Why on January 11, 2011, 10:04:56 pm
Are the prices supposed to go up with the introduction of the new shoes?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Drew on January 11, 2011, 10:11:33 pm
Well Teams are discontinued in the UK I believe (hence you can find some in the sale). Most prices will be going up across the board. Climbing shoes are going to look like the biggest rise (if anyone wants, I can tell you how good value they really are, and how 120 is the proper price).

When I said everyone, I don't know that for sure, but don't be surprised by some shoes going up by 20 quid.

As for when... basically as soon as any given shop gets it's first delivery of the New Year probably.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on January 11, 2011, 11:05:22 pm
My policy on price increases is always that I try to do it when I have about equal numbers of shoes bought in at the old and new price. That way we are neither profiteereing, nor losing out amssively while we wait for the last pair of size 15 clown shoes to go.
In this case, likely timing looks to be around the end of this month. The official change in RRP was Jan 1st. The new models coming in that we didn't previously stock are going to have to be at the new RRP.

For those that have somehow missed that price increases are going to happen: the very simplified story is that RRP of anasazis and most new models is £100-£105.

BTW Teams are still firmly in the line up. I have good stock.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Stubbs on January 11, 2011, 11:14:00 pm
Apologies for not including your shop in my post above wiain http://www.cragxclimbing.com/ (http://www.cragxclimbing.com/) always come through with the goods!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on January 12, 2011, 02:19:52 pm
BTW Teams are still firmly in the line up. I have good stock.

any more info on which shoes you're likely to have in/when? I know this is 5.10 so usual caveats apply.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on January 12, 2011, 09:41:33 pm

any more info on which shoes you're likely to have in/when? I know this is 5.10 so usual caveats apply.

Not really, sorry. They were all due on the 1st Jan but usual caveats..... I get about three days warning now when things ship. I know that a box of Dragons and Sirena left Belgium today, for example. That's the third delivery so far this year but it has all been current lines. I'd still have to guess March for the new, more exciting stuff.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wipey Why on January 13, 2011, 01:21:53 pm
Just had a chat to Banana Fingers who said their prices will be going up in the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Doctor Lokov on January 13, 2011, 06:14:31 pm
On the bright side: A motivation to get on the campus board :great:
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on January 31, 2011, 05:42:04 pm

any more info on which shoes you're likely to have in/when? I know this is 5.10 so usual caveats apply.

Arrowheads are being shoe-horned into the stock room now. Blackwings, hornets et al are still in the ether.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: robertostallioni on January 31, 2011, 06:03:54 pm
Whats the preliminary diagnosis, Iain?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: mrjonathanr on January 31, 2011, 07:37:41 pm
Over £100 for a pair of rock shoes as standard?? :o Bring back those old machined EBs I used to buy mail-order for a tenner :'(
Preliminary diagnosis, looking grim:
That your credit card is on life-support, FUBAR BUNDY.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on January 31, 2011, 07:49:39 pm
Whats the preliminary diagnosis, Iain?

I tried them on tonight; first impressions were they're a very orange, reasonably soft downturned shoe. They fit reasonably well but not as well as dragons and to me at least it seems like you can't get them tight enough around the toes; naturally as they're velcro's and not laceup's.

I don't really understand where they fit in as Dragons or normal velcro's seem more appealing depending on your needs (or wants) rather than something mushed up in the middle. Having said that I'd rather these than Jet7's or Projects any day of the week.

I'm in need for a decent soft-ish shoe at the miunute as the current lineup is:
Dragons (one nearly done and a boxed probably undersized pair)
Whites (one rotting pair, one exclusively used on slate)
Verde's (baggy tradding boot)

none of which perform well on Grit, but that could be the feet they're on!

I'm still hoping the Quantum's will be dynamite, not that I need another slightly downturned stiff pair of shoes  :shrug:
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 31, 2011, 08:54:42 pm
I could do with some boots I can actually heel-hook in, are there any with good heels that don't have banana toes?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: duncan on January 31, 2011, 09:44:39 pm
Over £100 for a pair of rock shoes as standard?? :o

I recently found a receipt for a pair of Boreal Vectors, a pretty technical shoe in it's time.  £65 in 1995.  Until very recently you would pay no more than that for a pair for 5.10 velcros.  Shoe prices have hardly changed in 15 years. 
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: mrjonathanr on January 31, 2011, 09:49:29 pm
Yeah I had some of them, a bit clumpy I thought. Not a patch on the £10 EBs :P
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on January 31, 2011, 10:08:39 pm
I could do with some boots I can actually heel-hook in, are there any with good heels that don't have banana toes?

New 5x's?
LV's?

The quantums look like they'll be less down-toed than say a dragon? Hornets look like an un ripened bannana!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Jim on January 31, 2011, 10:17:39 pm
I could do with some boots I can actually heel-hook in, are there any with good heels that don't have banana toes?
The best fitting heel I have found are on solutions
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Drew on January 31, 2011, 10:26:52 pm
I agree, however I think the heel on the dragon works better.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Jim on January 31, 2011, 10:29:06 pm
I've only ever used mk1 dragons, have got a brand new pair of mk2's in the box waiting to test.
I think now 5.10's are £100+, once my new verdes and dragons expire, I will be buying solutions
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on January 31, 2011, 10:31:20 pm
The best fitting heel I have found are on solutions

I guess 1 out of 2 points met isn't such a bad thing  :shrug:
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: mrjonathanr on January 31, 2011, 10:33:21 pm
Scarpa Instinct laces at Rockover for £65
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Jim on January 31, 2011, 10:38:24 pm
The best fitting heel I have found are on solutions

I guess 1 out of 2 points met isn't such a bad thing  :shrug:
yes but solutions are softer and less down-toed than dragons so could be used on a greater variety of angles
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on January 31, 2011, 10:42:11 pm
I recently found a receipt for a pair of Boreal Vectors, a pretty technical shoe in it's time.  £65 in 1995.  Until very recently you would pay no more than that for a pair for 5.10 velcros.  Shoe prices have hardly changed in 15 years. 

I understand some of the motivations behind it but it seems a very drastic price hike looking at shoes over the counter, the word recession is still happily bouncing about.

Surely it would have been better to phase this in gradually instead of making up for 15 years worth in one swoop?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: rainbow on January 31, 2011, 10:58:12 pm
I could do with some boots I can actually heel-hook in, are there any with good heels that don't have banana toes?
The best fitting heel I have found are on solutions

I have the same problem, whilst the heel is solid on the solutions you can't heel hook on edges or anything sharp and pointy. Admittedly very problem specific.
Any news on the Evolv newbies? Always wondered what the predators were like.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Adam Lincoln on January 31, 2011, 11:23:19 pm
Any news on the Evolv newbies? Always wondered what the predators were like.

The new Predators and Talons both have a nice tight fitting heel. Certainly on my feet. Then again, so did the Dragons. As for the Shaman, won't be around for another few months yet.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on January 31, 2011, 11:24:01 pm

Surely it would have been better to phase this in gradually instead of making up for 15 years worth in one swoop?

Word. I told them that but they had backed themselves into a corner. They had already published their Autumn prices when the incoming EU saless manager got given an ultimatum over their UK pricing by the accounts people. He couldn't change the prices because of the 'outdoor' shops and their infernal catalogues. So he had to do the whole lot in one fell swoop. (At least that is th unifficial official story)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on January 31, 2011, 11:34:56 pm
Whats the preliminary diagnosis, Iain?

I haven't had a chance to do more than pull them on my feet so it's a tad early to say. What I can tell you: The toe profile is not an Anasazi toe. It looks more similar to a dragon or team but it seems lower volume. They are softer than I expected - I thought the stiffness would be similar to a VCS but they're much softer. They're red.

I tested a demo pair a while back and they felt excellent but had no stiffener so had very little edging power with my feet under me. I thought they'd get stiffened up to make a more edgy shoe. The apparently soft midsole leaves them surprisingly close to dragons, teams et al. On the other hand, the lower volume fit might make them a good dragon alternative for skinnier feet.

***This is all cased on a whole 5 minutes on my feet. I climb in them tomorrow and decide I was talking shite***
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wipey Why on February 01, 2011, 09:04:54 am
Any news on the Evolv newbies? Always wondered what the predators were like.

The new Predators and Talons both have a nice tight fitting heel. Certainly on my feet. Then again, so did the Dragons. As for the Shaman, won't be around for another few months yet.

I had a pair of the new talons after finding the previous version of them amazing. I would say the heel is ok, but not great. The featured rubber they have put on it is not great for a lot of situations.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: dave on February 01, 2011, 06:20:13 pm
I could do with some boots I can actually heel-hook in, are there any with good heels that don't have banana toes?

To be honest I thought the velcro heels (before they fucked about putting cuts in them a few years back etc) were as good as anything else.

Dragon heels are good but will come apart at the many seams if you actually pull hard on stuff with them.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Richie Crouch on February 02, 2011, 01:35:37 pm
Just wondering Iain...

Have you found the latest deliveries of Dragon's to feel fairly narrow in comparison to older ones? I tried on a pair today that got dropped off from Beris and they felt super narrow at the toe joint with my foot balling out over the outside edge a fair bit.

Was going to buy a new pair to break in for a trip in April but might have to wait and hope the Hornets are out by then and aren't as narrow!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on February 02, 2011, 05:34:22 pm
Just wondering Iain...

Have you found the latest deliveries of Dragon's to feel fairly narrow in comparison to older ones? I tried on a pair today that got dropped off from Beris and they felt super narrow at the toe joint with my foot balling out over the outside edge a fair bit.

Was going to buy a new pair to break in for a trip in April but might have to wait and hope the Hornets are out by then and aren't as narrow!

Our January delivery of Dragons hasn't arrived yet - all our Dragons were delivered pre-Christmas. Joe and I just tried some on and they feel the same. It would be a big surprise if they had changed the shape since then without any warning.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Richie Crouch on February 02, 2011, 06:01:03 pm
Nice one. I think the pre christmas ones we had felt fairly tight too (the ones with the bobbly laces) as I remember Holger saying the exact same thing about the width of them.

There's quite a big difference in comparison to the older ones I've got with the old style laces.

Just tried the 9's we have, which felt the same as the 8.5 in length but a normal fit on the sides, sorted.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Drew on February 02, 2011, 06:23:13 pm
Are you saying that the fit on 5.10 shoes changes between each shoe? Shock horror!
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on April 04, 2011, 01:13:05 pm
Just got word that the blackwings are on their way from FiveTen europe. Will let ya'll know if they have turned out reet or deserve the name cackwing.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: dave on April 04, 2011, 03:11:52 pm
Will let ya'll know if they have turned out reet or deserve the name cackwing.

or "wackbling"
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on April 05, 2011, 05:41:05 pm
Initial reports on the wackbling are that it ain't a velcro Dragon. (I thought it was for the first five minutes of wearing them but the lads over-ruled me and on reflection they're right). The last is wider in the base of the toes and higher voume in the instep.
They feel more like a softened lightweight Jet7, which is pretty much what we thought after trying the sample. On the plus side, they didn't feel nearly so cack as the sample.

So, the initial assesment is: Not a train crash, but not a Dragon.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Ru on April 05, 2011, 06:44:06 pm
So whats the current nearest thing to a jet 7?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cheque on April 05, 2011, 06:50:31 pm
(http://www.fiatplus.com/images/P/MATRA-P5.jpg)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: namnok on April 05, 2011, 07:16:18 pm
looks like more rubber than the 7s
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on April 05, 2011, 08:35:30 pm
So whats the current nearest thing to a jet 7?

:shrug: The wackbling (thanks Dave, I like that one) seems Jet7 like in shape but we are Dragon and Anasazi wearers so a Jet7 fan may spot differences we didn't. Wackblings seem lighter so might soften up quicker but I'm guessing now. We won't really know as much as I'd like about any of the new shoes until many more have gone out of the door and we've had feedback from people we can rely on.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: dave on April 05, 2011, 08:51:49 pm
The wackbling (thanks Dave, I like that one)

my pleasure.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on April 08, 2011, 01:42:11 pm
I noticed that Cragx have the new Talons in (for those that posted earlier on), not to mention the range of spine-less offerings from 5.10  ;D
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: account_inactive on April 08, 2011, 03:22:46 pm
Jet 7's are my favorite shoe for everything (apart from limestone sport routes) so was gutted to find out they were being discontinued.  The Arrowhead feels like a Jet 7 but without a decent heel and any rubber on the upper toe.  The Blackwig (you can have that for free Ru) is slightly narrower than the Jet 7 at the toe and heel, but fits somewhere between them and the Dragon.

I hope that these are the shoe that I've been looking for (Teams would not fit my feet) and that they don't stop making them in the next few months!

.................oh and I'm the same size in Dragons/Blackwing (6.5) and half a size smaller in Whites/Jet 7's
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: dave on April 11, 2011, 09:34:03 am
slight tangent iaiaian, but when you are getting these badboys in? They look well specious.

(http://fiveten.com/images/stories/jreviews/10094_101701_1295988249.jpg)

Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on April 11, 2011, 01:18:23 pm
slight tangent iaiaian, but when you are getting these badboys in? They look well specious.

(http://fiveten.com/images/stories/jreviews/10094_101701_1295988249.jpg)

I refer the RH gentleman to the answer I gave much earlier in this thread. I cannot discuss that shoe in public. It would be like asking your gran how best to comit an act of bestiality.

Speaking more generally, we are getting in every model of shoe and have no idea when they will eventually turn up.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cofe on April 11, 2011, 01:24:15 pm
nice to see Stevie Wonder has joined the 5.10 design team.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Fultonius on April 11, 2011, 01:31:03 pm
Jet 7's are my favorite shoe for everything (apart from limestone sport routes) so was gutted to find out they were being discontinued. 

Jet 7s are still on the 5.10 website, when are they being/have been discontinued?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Wood FT on April 11, 2011, 04:23:54 pm
Can you pump the tounge on those warlocks? Look sheet
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on April 13, 2011, 12:11:28 pm

Jet 7s are still on the 5.10 website, when are they being/have been discontinued?

Last year.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cofe on April 30, 2011, 08:20:55 pm
Anyone got/used those pink Quantum things? A downturned pink Anasazi (apparently).
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on May 02, 2011, 11:02:42 pm
Anyone got/used those pink Quantum things? A downturned pink Anasazi (apparently).
Not convinced by the downturned pink comparison (but then it is better than decribing a lightweight Jet7 as a velcro dragon, but I digress). They're way softer than anasazis - similar to a Dragon p'raps? and much lower volume than most of the others.  We have them in our shrine. Come and have a play.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on May 03, 2011, 09:00:05 am
A downturned pink Anasazi (apparently).

Thats just bollocks. I thought they looked fantastic, and they do fit quite well but the toe is softer (IMO) than the dragons and straightens out with the slightest pressure.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Fultonius on May 03, 2011, 09:32:21 am
A downturned pink Anasazi (apparently).

Thats just bollocks. I thought they looked fantastic, and they do fit quite well but the toe is softer (IMO) than the dragons and straightens out with the slightest pressure.

A bit Jet-7ish then?  :-\
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on May 03, 2011, 03:52:00 pm

A bit Jet-7ish then?  :-\

Not in fit. My memory of the Jet7 was that it was pretty high-volume. The Quantum is distinctly slim and low volume. Softness may be similar - I thought the Q was a bit softer but it's hard to be sure from just quick trials of the shoes.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Greg C on May 18, 2011, 02:31:00 pm
I assume this is the same for other shops, but we noticed a classic Five Tenism with the sole units on these shoes:

http://fiveten.com/products/footwear-detail/10098-blackwing (http://fiveten.com/products/footwear-detail/10098-blackwing)

On their website 5.10 say the Blackwing comes with a Mystique sole, whilst their own picture shows it with a C4 sole... but here's the best bit: our stock has HF soles, like the Dragon.   :geek:
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Drew on May 18, 2011, 02:37:36 pm
And don't expect the sizing to be different to anything else. Just found a pair of 6.5's which are more like 7.5's. Fortunately found a pair of 6.5's, which are actually 6.5's. Joy.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: cofe on May 18, 2011, 02:43:16 pm
as long as they don't come with boreal or scarpa rubber i'm sure they're fine.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Paul B on May 18, 2011, 03:22:08 pm
Incidentally I got to try out some Quantum's at a boot demo last night (Keenus is raving about them on his recent blog) and found them to feel like Dragons, but not quite as good, with a worse heel.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: RobinB on June 06, 2011, 06:23:07 pm
Anyone worn the Quantums for any length of time and know how much they stretch? I was thinking of buying some today but wasn't sure how much stretch to allow for.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Ru on June 08, 2011, 06:36:03 pm
Can anyone give me a heads up on arrowhead sizing vs regular velcros?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Krank on June 09, 2011, 08:09:01 am
Can anyone give me a heads up on arrowhead sizing vs regular velcros?

mine are quite a bit smaller than the velcros. I wear a 9.5 in velcros as a nice tight shoe and my 10.5 arrowheads feel very tight, they seem more like a 9 in velcros. They have taken a long while to break in but that might be because there so tight, im not sure. The Arrowheads are also much lower volume and feel quite a bit stiffer than the velcros.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Scouse D on June 09, 2011, 09:00:59 am
Can anyone give me a heads up on arrowhead sizing vs regular velcros?

mine are quite a bit smaller than the velcros. I wear a 9.5 in velcros as a nice tight shoe and my 10.5 arrowheads feel very tight, they seem more like a 9 in velcros. They have taken a long while to break in but that might be because there so tight, im not sure. The Arrowheads are also much lower volume and feel quite a bit stiffer than the velcros.

Not trying to be deliberately contrary but the arrowheads feel much softer than velcros to me, a very nice soft slipper. Size-wise I took the same in arrowheads to velcros
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Krank on June 09, 2011, 09:14:20 am
i couldnt get my feet in the 9.5 Arrowheads i tried, 5.10 sizing ect ect.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: wiain on June 09, 2011, 11:29:23 pm
Can anyone give me a heads up on arrowhead sizing vs regular velcros?

Half to full size less generous. I'm 6 in velcro and iirc needed 7 in Arrowhead. I'm 7.5 in Dragon if that helps. CragX staff in general shifted half a size rather than a full size.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Nibile on June 10, 2011, 04:27:42 pm
I found this pic of the new machine they use af 5.10 to stitch the size to the shoes.
(http://www.rateyours.com/blog/uploaded_images/lottery_machine-727064.jpg)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Ru on June 20, 2011, 05:32:08 pm
Got some Quantums as they fit my feet a little better than the Arrowheads. I'm pretty impressed with them and I'm pretty sure that they'll become my go-to shoe for pretty much everything apart from smeary grit (VCS) and major toe-scumming (teams) and possibly tiny tiny limestone edges on vertical rock, although fresh from the box they're good on them too.

The heel is good to my mind, but then I like the VCS heel, which is vastly underrated I think. The heel is a bit more dragony than the VCS, but of general VCS design.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Fiend on July 07, 2011, 10:54:17 am
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrowheads.

In Ratho Tiso for £82.50 instead of £110. I had to buy a pair.

They fit my feet verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry nicely. Downturned but snug without cramping. The uppers are pretty soft which makes them easy to get into.

I went for a size 7, I normally take 6.5 in VCS browns. The 7s fit with optimum tightness straight away so I am a bit concerned that they will stretch, however people keep saying they fit smaller so maybe they will be okay.

I think they might fit my broad flippers better because they are a bit less super-pointy than some shoes, there seems to be nuff space for extraneous toes. So that might be worth bearing in mind.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: butters on July 07, 2011, 11:04:19 am
The 7s fit with optimum tightness straight away so I am a bit concerned that they will stretch, however people keep saying they fit smaller so maybe they will be okay.

Just wear two pairs of socks if they bag out...  ;)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: RobinB on July 10, 2011, 07:18:32 pm
As per Ru's comments re the Quantum - I have also bougght a pair and for my narrow feet the heels are a particularly good fit - better than Dragons for example. If they were a bit stiffer and had some tackier rubber (am I the only person who doesn't really get on with the Onyx version of Stealth?) they would be spot on
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: boulderingbacon on July 11, 2011, 11:06:41 pm
so they need better rubber and be stiffer does that not make them a bit  :shit:
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: TobyD on July 12, 2011, 09:32:40 pm
(am I the only person who doesn't really get on with the Onyx version of Stealth?)

it seems a tad harder and less 'predictable and feely' than C4 in my opinion.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: DaveyDave on July 12, 2011, 09:36:50 pm
Punter me to your heart's content, but I reckon the Mystique on my teams can stick to things better than the C4 or Onyxx shoes I've got...
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Jim on July 12, 2011, 11:37:18 pm
horses for courses etc...
Title: Re: Five Ten Black
Post by: Drew on May 22, 2012, 11:27:20 am
Hmmm... renaming of the Blackwing? New version of the Team? Ladies and gentlemen, I present the Black.


(http://fiveten.com/images/stories/jreviews/12510_1183-01-1337356568.jpg) (http://fiveten.com/products/footwear-detail/12510-team-510r-black)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: dave on May 22, 2012, 11:34:40 am
They'd look awesome with white rubber.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Drew on May 22, 2012, 11:48:51 am
Ala white wall tyres?

(http://memex.naughtons.org/wp-content/Whitewall.jpg)
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: dave on May 22, 2012, 12:29:14 pm
Aye. I'm still on the lookout for a pair of those boreal indos from the late '90s with pale grey rubber.
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Nibile on May 31, 2012, 12:44:27 pm
So what's the difference from the Team apart from a horrible - in my opinion - choice of colours?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Moo on May 31, 2012, 02:57:31 pm
it's the new team I think they've relaxed the fit a little bit
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: RobinB on June 17, 2012, 06:29:46 pm
I've been wearing a pair of Blackwings for a couple of months and quite like them for steep stuff and indoor walls. They seem to be slightly narrower and the toes are more pointy than Dragons, and fit my (narrow) feet quite well

I was thinking of buying another pair before they are (inevitably) discontinued - has anybody tried the women's version and be able to comment on how they compare with the men's version - I assume they will be even narrower and lower volume?
Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: Jack.G on October 25, 2012, 12:11:29 pm
Was going to replace my Arrowheads but considering a change to Blackwings, any ideas on the size difference if any. I believe 510 advise a full size up?

Title: Re: Five Ten Blackwing
Post by: thrashhard on October 28, 2012, 07:35:00 am
I was a normal Streetshoe size in Arrowheads and would go with the same for teams. Uk 8 Street Uk 8 in arrowheads
In blancos, vcs and verdes i need to downsize to a UK 6,5.
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