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Title: volcano madnesss
Post by: BB on April 16, 2010, 08:27:21 am
Due to all this volcano nonsense, the missus and I have had to sack off our trip to the Ariège. Instead we're going to spend a long weekend on the Eastern edges doing some easy trad. We'll be staying in Hathersage, so if anyone fancies a pint let me know. It would be good to meet some of the UKB peak chapter.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on April 16, 2010, 08:33:00 am
Should be some badass sunsets though cos of the high dust in the atmos. that is if it ever stops being wall-to-wall overcast.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Bubba on April 16, 2010, 08:48:33 am

It's rather fucked up our planned clubbing night in London tonight as Terrence Parker (and most likely Donato Dozzy) can't fly in :(

3 hour Surgeon set as a replacement but i'm pretty un-psyched now.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 16, 2010, 08:55:01 am
Supposed to be flying Monday, so fingers crossed it clears a bit by then, but if not c'est la vie.

Should be some badass sunsets though cos of the high dust in the atmos. that is if it ever stops being wall-to-wall overcast.

 :agree: Stayed annoyingly overcast last night at sunset, then by 23:00 it had all cleared and  you could see the stars.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: tomtom on April 16, 2010, 08:59:34 am
Supposed to be flying Monday, so fingers crossed it clears a bit by then, but if not c'est la vie.

Should be some badass sunsets though cos of the high dust in the atmos. that is if it ever stops being wall-to-wall overcast.

 :agree: Stayed annoyingly overcast last night at sunset, then by 23:00 it had all cleared and  you could see the stars.

Nice sunset driving over the M62 into Manc about 8pm last night....
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 16, 2010, 09:37:49 am
It's like a hazy summer day in Aberdeen, but you know it's not a hazy summer day because we don't get summers.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: magpie on April 16, 2010, 09:41:48 am
Same here, Chris, it's still baltic though and the sunset was a big letdown.

Sorry it's screwing up people's plans.  :(
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: tomtom on April 16, 2010, 10:11:18 am
Its a shame its messing up peoples plans, but the positive from it is that it will force people to use the train / ferry / other ways of transport and maybe take some of the onus away from air travel...
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 16, 2010, 10:43:53 am
That would be nice. Doubt it though.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 16, 2010, 11:10:33 am
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Should be some badass sunsets though cos of the high dust in the atmos. that is if it ever stops being wall-to-wall overcast.

Especially without contrails. Pretty much every decent landscape shot I've got has got a contrail it could do without. Although once the dust has settled persistent aerosols can have the effect of weakening sunsets.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on April 16, 2010, 11:25:24 am
I was reading galen's shit about dulled sunsets in 92-93 last night in GRVAAP. But have also read elsewhere they still got good colours but instead of direct alpenglow the colour would turn up quite a while after sunset and be a very diffuse affair, probably like that ridiculous light i had at the woolpacks. if we're going to get any of that shit I say bring it on.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 16, 2010, 11:35:55 am
Hmm, be nice but I doubt it. The aerosol effect was after a much bigger eruption though, and over a very long timescale. In the short term, I think we should be in for some WILD LIGHT.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 16, 2010, 11:38:42 am
Definitely an odd quality to it here today. Very bright, bit also a bit diffused? Have camera will go for a wander at lunchtime.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: tomtom on April 16, 2010, 11:41:28 am
I was reading galen's shit about dulled sunsets in 92-93 last night in GRVAAP. But have also read elsewhere they still got good colours but instead of direct alpenglow the colour would turn up quite a while after sunset and be a very diffuse affair, probably like that ridiculous light i had at the woolpacks. if we're going to get any of that shit I say bring it on.

Eruptions in this area before have been precursors to eruptions of Hekla - which is a very different kettle of fish.

Hekla is a bad ass muthafucker of a volcano with a long and violent history. It may look like a cute little lump but its blasted out shit loads (7.6km^3 of material in one eruption) in the past. If it goes (and theres evidence theres a kick ass size magma chamber beneath it waiting to go) then we could well see some significant ash fall, darkened skies let alone sunsets here in the UK (if the wind is in the right direction etc..)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Islande_volcan_Hekla_nord-ouest.jpg/800px-Islande_volcan_Hekla_nord-ouest.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekla)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Fiend on April 16, 2010, 11:46:58 am
Personally I wouldn't mind a 3 hour surgeon set...

Is it gonna screw up the friction anywhere?
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 16, 2010, 11:51:24 am
I reckon the top of the volcano that errupted wll be a bit slippery for a few days.

If anything the friction will improve as it will be a bit cooler for a few days. I don't think there is going to be any actual noticeable fallout though.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: tomtom on April 16, 2010, 11:52:06 am
Personally I wouldn't mind a 3 hour surgeon set...

Is it gonna screw up the friction anywhere?

Naa, if we get enough of it the landings will be just like snowballing  ;D

(http://www.cgrove417.org/fry/science/Volcanoes/VolcanoGraphics/VolcanicAsh.jpg)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: magpie on April 16, 2010, 12:10:40 pm
The sky has a kind of lilac tinge here, I don't know if it is ash related or I am just confused by it being a shade of blue rather than grey. ;)

Look at this! 
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y61/asdf25/flights2.jpg)

The website (http://www.flightradar24.com/) keeps crapping out because it's so busy, but it's worth a look if you can get on.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: GraemeA on April 16, 2010, 12:56:27 pm
Some jammy bastards called PercyB and LucyA are getting an extra day or 2's bouldering in Portugal as a result
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: GraemeA on April 16, 2010, 12:59:31 pm
Some jammy bastards called PercyB and LucyA are getting an extra day or 2's bouldering in Portugal as a result

And some twat called Dolly is also benefiting  ;)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 16, 2010, 01:53:33 pm
Just got an email from our neighbours, meant to be flying in from Florida tomorrow, earliest they can now get back as far as heathrow is next friday.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 16, 2010, 01:57:08 pm
Shame insurance never covers natural disaster, still at least they get an extra weeks holiday.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: magpie on April 16, 2010, 02:09:54 pm
My dad and brother are 'trapped' at the house in Spain, I reckon they are fairly upset about it if the gloating picture messages featuring tapas and copious amounts of drink being consumed in the sunshine are anything to go by.  ::)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: DaveC on April 16, 2010, 03:42:11 pm


Eruptions in this area before have been precursors to eruptions of Hekla - which is a very different kettle of fish.


Wrong association. Eyjafjoll's activity in the past has sometimes been related to eruptions of it's near-neighbour Katla rather than Hekla. The danger from Katla is more from 'jokalhaup' - glacier melt induced flooding - than from the direct impact of volcanic products.
The last eruption of Eyjafjoll 200 years ago actually did not trigger any eruptions from its neighbour and so far there is no evidence it will trigger anything this time either.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Falling Down on April 16, 2010, 03:54:20 pm
Scotland's verdict on the Volcano

Sky News / I Hate Iceland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mHZgP9vkc#ws)
 
 :alky:

Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: LucyB on April 16, 2010, 05:02:11 pm
Some jammy bastards called PercyB and LucyA are getting an extra day or 2's bouldering in Portugal as a result

Earliest flight we can get is next Friday  ;D

Downside is it's pissing it down right now, and the insurance won't pay out. The villa owners are lovely though, letting us stay the extra week. Looks like weather getting better from tomorrow.

See you next weekend!

Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 18, 2010, 11:45:40 am
Live webcam of volcano (http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-valahnjuk/) (not very exciting really though).
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 18, 2010, 12:17:06 pm
Fresh eruptions yesterday...

(http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/2010107-0417/Iceland.A2010107.1320.1km.jpg)

Supposed to be flying Liverpool-Geneva tomorrow, not looking likely!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: mark s on April 18, 2010, 12:51:17 pm
Andi turnip is stuck in spain,he did always say he fancied living there.think he's starting get a bit pissed off now tho.having book then re book flights.lucky tho as he stayin at his parents house.he better off than me I'm drivin around cheshire fucking oaks car park with missus.wants a birthday prez! Not lookin good for a few days at least for him gettin back .
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: mark s on April 18, 2010, 12:54:49 pm
And she like a bear with a sore head today
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 18, 2010, 09:35:23 pm
Mates were meant to fly back from Bishop today, looks like the earliest flight they can get now is 4th May.

Guess we won't be seeing you this week FD?
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: fatkid2000 on April 18, 2010, 09:49:10 pm
My Dad is stuck in Spain - apparently Ferries / coaches / Euro-tunnel etc are 4-5 times plus the normal prices.

Think FD went via Ferry to Font.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: tomtom on April 19, 2010, 09:10:47 am
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs518.snc3/27205_537064294787_309601139_2038104_514334_n.jpg)
Facebook so hopefully it'll work..
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on April 19, 2010, 09:21:23 am
I don't see how banning sea anemones will help get anyone home.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 19, 2010, 09:41:34 am
No longer going to Madeira now (supposed to fly at lunch time).

Heading to Devon/Cornwall instead and popping over to Lundy for the day tomorrow  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: uptown on April 19, 2010, 09:47:10 am
It's happy happy joy joy here at UTtowers. Living on a flightpath has never been so quiet. There was some ash on the holds at our 'hush hush' crag yesterday. Long live the staycation.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 19, 2010, 10:12:40 am
Think FD went via Ferry to Font.

Falling Down (FD) not fatdoc (fd) - it's like differentiating grading systems :)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: magpie on April 19, 2010, 10:21:32 am
My Dad is stuck in Spain
Mine too.  :'(  The first flight they can get appears to be 1st of May!

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apparently Ferries / coaches / Euro-tunnel etc are 4-5 times plus the normal prices.
This is really pissing me off, it's just profiting from people's misfortune and need to get home.  >:(
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Dolly on April 19, 2010, 10:23:48 am
I think we'll just have to tough it out over here for a little longer.  ;D
Spent yesterday on the beach as I'd had 3 days on but will probably head out to some nice cool granite later via coffee bar and buns.
Having said that the bloody sun's just come out again so its on with the shorts and sunblock  8)
I am working as well on the laptop....
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 19, 2010, 10:30:32 am
Its suprising to find out how much we all fly really. This week was to be the first time I've ever flown for a short business trip, I didn't feel it was justified and am pretty glad its been cancelled. The empty skies over the weekend were great. Personally I'd love this to go on for a few months and give us all a lesson in just how unnecessary a lot of air travel is.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Jim on April 19, 2010, 10:33:37 am
easy to say that when your not stuck at some airport on the other side of the world
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: fatboySlimfast on April 19, 2010, 10:35:27 am
Was up at Stanage end on Saturday, amazing skies with no vapour trails at all
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: uptown on April 19, 2010, 10:36:55 am
Its suprising to find out how much we all fly really. This week was to be the first time I've ever flown for a short business trip, I didn't feel it was justified and am pretty glad its been cancelled. The empty skies over the weekend were great. Personally I'd love this to go on for a few months and give us all a lesson in just how unnecessary a lot of air travel is.

Utg and JB in agreement shocker!  :o
Jim - people shouldn't be flying somewhere they don't want to be - if they're stuck somewhere they want to be for a little longer than expected what's the hardship?
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 19, 2010, 10:40:22 am
Skies over the Roaches on Saturday were nice and clear, which was good as a couple of friends were getting married at the Three Hosreshoes.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4530378331_79c7324716.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slackline/4530378331/)

Unfortunately the grooms brother couldn't make it over from Barcelona, and a few others couldn't make it either, one being stuck in Lisbon, the other on Kalymnos.  The guy on Kalymnos turned round, got back on the ferry and went back for some more climbing (and is likely still there enjoying himself).

You don't have to sit in the airport waiting for the next flight (particularly when there is no indication of when that might be), just go with the flow and enjoy the windfall of a few more days in a foreign (and hopefully nice!) place.

Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 19, 2010, 10:41:57 am
Quite. If it goes on for weeks there will be other ways of getting home for those who HAVE to. I tried to book trains for Grenoble this week, but it would have been 3X the cost of flying. How have we created a situation where I can afford the plane but not the train? It needs sorting and an event like this maybe just the short sharp shock required.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on April 19, 2010, 10:45:01 am
if they're stuck somewhere they want to be for a little longer than expected what's the hardship?

I bet being stuck somewhere for an extra week, costing you an extra week's accomodation (booked short notice no doubt at a premium), and extra week's leave from work, and missing god knows what at home must be a barrel of laughs, especially if you're on a tight budget. I'm guessing no-ones travel insurance will cough up.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Falling Down on April 19, 2010, 10:52:47 am
Think FD went via Ferry to Font.

Falling Down (FD) not fatdoc (fd) - it's like differentiating grading systems :)

 :)

Just trying to figure out my week ahead now, I may be catching the train to Aberdeen this afternoon...
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 19, 2010, 10:53:55 am
Shit happens, get home a week later, incurring some extra expenses or die flying back.  :-\

I do think that given yesterdays test flights in various countries there has been excessive caution exercised in this instance, but I'd rather have seen that than tens of thousands of planes dropping out of the sky.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Jaspersharpe on April 19, 2010, 10:57:56 am
I do think that given yesterdays test flights in various countries there has been excessive caution exercised in this instance, but I'd rather have seen that than tens of thousands of planes dropping out of the sky.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/today/tomfeilden/2010/04/is_it_safe.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/today/tomfeilden/2010/04/is_it_safe.html)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 19, 2010, 11:17:58 am
Yep, thats a good thing, like I say I'd rather incur cost/wasted money than die going somewhere.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: uptown on April 19, 2010, 11:19:16 am
if they're stuck somewhere they want to be for a little longer than expected what's the hardship?

I bet being stuck somewhere for an extra week, costing you an extra week's accomodation (booked short notice no doubt at a premium), and extra week's leave from work, and missing god knows what at home must be a barrel of laughs, especially if you're on a tight budget. I'm guessing no-ones travel insurance will cough up.

utg and Dave in non-agreement shocker. Read that word in bold Dave, your scenario suggests the fictitious party doesn't want to be there. JB's right - it's a sad state of affairs when flying is the cheapest travel option available.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 19, 2010, 11:27:02 am
Snow fell in Aberdeen this morning, wonder if it's related?
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Jim on April 19, 2010, 11:31:55 am
Dave and JB are both right.
Public transport is shit and overpriced. no wonder everyman and his dog has a car, its cheaper to run than getting the bus/train etc...
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on April 19, 2010, 11:33:44 am
if they're stuck somewhere they want to be for a little longer than expected what's the hardship?

I bet being stuck somewhere for an extra week, costing you an extra week's accomodation (booked short notice no doubt at a premium), and extra week's leave from work, and missing god knows what at home must be a barrel of laughs, especially if you're on a tight budget. I'm guessing no-ones travel insurance will cough up.

utg and Dave in non-agreement shocker. Read that word in bold Dave, your scenario suggests the fictitious party doesn't want to be there. JB's right - it's a sad state of affairs when flying is the cheapest travel option available.

Do you recon loads of people will want the cost of their holiday ballooning wildly, want their kids to miss a week of school etc? For those with nothing to rush back to and plenty of cash I'm sure its not a hardship.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 19, 2010, 11:35:54 am
Oh n00o0o my holiday's been extended! And I've got the perfect excuse! What will I do00o0!? Get a grip Dave.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on April 19, 2010, 11:38:57 am
Grip this girlfriend.

(http://kiwipolemicist.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/giving-the-finger-gorilla.jpg)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Stu Littlefair on April 19, 2010, 12:22:16 pm
If you fly with an EU airline, then the airline has a legal responsibility to provide you with food and accommodation until a replacement flight has been organised.

Those people desperately stranded on climbing holidays will be able to claim expenses back for their food and hotel etc, directly from their airline. Their insurance shouldn't come into it.

Good luck with Ryanair mind, just go straight to suing the fuckers
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on April 19, 2010, 01:33:07 pm
I thought they had some getout on natural disasters though? Obviously ryanair are so tight they're probably docking their staffs wages while they can't fly.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: grumpycrumpy on April 19, 2010, 01:37:48 pm
Its suprising to find out how much we all fly really. This week was to be the first time I've ever flown for a short business trip, I didn't feel it was justified and am pretty glad its been cancelled. The empty skies over the weekend were great. Personally I'd love this to go on for a few months and give us all a lesson in just how unnecessary a lot of air travel is.

Utg and JB in agreement shocker!  :o
Jim - people shouldn't be flying somewhere they don't want to be - if they're stuck somewhere they want to be for a little longer than expected what's the hardship?
And if they're stuck somewhere they don't want to be ? ...... Because they flew there for work and are now stuck in a place where the beer is £7.50 a pint and gives you the sharts ...... What then ? .....   
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 19, 2010, 01:43:09 pm
I'm sure if you're there for work you'll get recompensed. If there's a real need to get back, fly to southern France then hop on a train, bus or hire a car. Then consider a job that doesn't involve flying.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Stubbs on April 19, 2010, 01:43:53 pm
Some guy on the radio said he dropped 2.5g's on a taxi from Barcelona to Calais to get back to Glasgow, surely that's only a decision that can make sense in a chemically altered state?!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 19, 2010, 01:50:42 pm
Well I've not set off for Devon/Cornwall yet as I'm sat at my parents travel agents in Sunningdale whilst they try and help people find alternatives.


If you fly with an EU airline, then the airline has a legal responsibility to provide you with food and accommodation until a replacement flight has been organised.

Those people desperately stranded on climbing holidays will be able to claim expenses back for their food and hotel etc, directly from their airline. Their insurance shouldn't come into it.

This legal repsonsibility only kicks in once you've checked in, if you haven't checked in, you're on your own, so only people affected in the first few hours will have this to fall back on.

If you've not left the country on a holiday you'll likely be able to get most of your flight costs back as the airlines have been unable to provide a flight that you had booked on.

If you have "travel insurance" companies have a clause which means that natural disasters (or as they call them "Acts of God"  :wank:) aren't covered by the policies.  So you'll likely loose out on your car-hire, accommodation and so forth.  Which really sucks as to my mind such unforseen circumstances are one of the reasons why you take out an insurance policy policies in the first place (the other being injuries and such like).

To rub it all in the UK body of insurance companies had a meeting a few days ago, just to reassure themselves that they're not going to be paying out, err, well I'd have been amazed if they'd have changed their minds, what was the point in meeting.

People might not want to have to stay wherever it is that they've been holidaying (or at work) and incur extra expense, but realistically what is the alternative?  Trains are pretty much all booked, although the SNCF have announced 80000 extra (and more importantly cheap/reasonably priced) seats between Paris and London (read earlier on the BBC).  There simply aren't alternative flights.  There is no one responsible for a volcano erupting, that might be hard for people to grasp in the blame culture/sofiety that seems to prevade these days, but I'm sure the same people would be suing the arse off the airlines and government agencies if they had permitted flights when it was known that the ash cloud has the potential to fuck things

What really sucks is the hike in prices that public transport and hoteliers seem to think is ok (some of my parents clients can afford this, but others in their hotel in Egypt can't and, get this, they've been evicted by the police  :o :shrug: :wank:).

Some guy on the radio said he dropped 2.5g's on a taxi from Barcelona to Calais to get back to Glasgow, surely that's only a decision that can make sense in a chemically altered state?!

Hope the poor taxi drivers doesn't get searched at border patrol on the way back.


Now, time to see if I can watch the snooker online.

Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 19, 2010, 02:03:09 pm
Not to worry, the navy are going to help get people back (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8628878.stm#id8620000/8629200/8629270)

In the meantime you can console yourself with an ode...

from the poet laureate (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8629938.stm#id8620000/8629900/8629938)

And in no uncertain terms should airline companies get get bailed out by tax payers (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8629674.stm).  They can go bleating to their insurers who will tell them the same thing as tourists get told.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: bobkatebob on April 19, 2010, 02:12:30 pm
Well it all can't be that bad regards getting over the channel.

Work know I have a ticket going spare on the Eurostar tonight, posted on here as well, nobody interested at all.

it's not like I was asking for mega bucks either, just didn't want to see it going to waste.

I also booked my Eurotunnel on Friday evening for Saturday afternoon. the price was actually cheaper than I expected for travelling on a Saturday booking the day before.

I could have booked the Ferry, they were having no problems as long as it was for a car and not foot passenger.

Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Stubbs on April 19, 2010, 02:23:20 pm

I could have booked the Ferry, they were having no problems as long as it was for a car and not foot passenger.

I guess that's because people don't generally take their car with them when they fly to places?
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: JohnM on April 19, 2010, 02:23:56 pm
Never tell people at your place of work that you own a car.  Now a professor in my university department wants me to pick him and some other stranded colleagues up from Portsmouth and drive them back to Liverpool :furious:!  Although I reckon the compensation will be generous so it might not be all bad.  Apparently there are no hire cars available in the country!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 19, 2010, 02:29:44 pm
There is at least one good thing to come out of the disruption (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8629160.stm#id8620000/8629600/8629617-audio)  :P

Apparently twitter and facebook have popular car-pooling trends/groups going.

@JohnM : WTF do these people not have any family to help them out.  On a Profs salary they could no doubt easily afford a few nights in Portsmouth.

Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: grumpycrumpy on April 19, 2010, 02:37:06 pm
I'm sure if you're there for work you'll get recompensed. If there's a real need to get back, fly to southern France then hop on a train, bus or hire a car. Then consider a job that doesn't involve flying.
You make it sound so simple ......  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: my arse off .......
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 19, 2010, 02:49:02 pm
Its really not such a big deal though is it? People just can't cope without a concrete itinerary. Big deal, wait it out, do something different. Europe is not such a big place; nor a week a long time.  We didn't fuckin have planes not so long ago!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: JohnM on April 19, 2010, 02:53:20 pm
I can't believe the first thing Aled asked Moyles in that recorded conversation was "what are you going to do about clean clothes and socks" and he said "I think I might have to get them laundered in my hotel"!  What a nightmare!  FFS what is wrong with some people?
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 19, 2010, 03:06:46 pm
Its really not such a big deal though is it? People just can't cope without a concrete itinerary. Big deal, wait it out, do something different. Europe is not such a big place; nor a week a long time.

Easy to say when the situation is not really affecting you in any big way.

For example, a colleague's brother just flew to NZ to attend a wedding, and the bride and groom are both stuck in the UK. Big deal? To them it probably is.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: slackline on April 19, 2010, 03:10:10 pm
It sucks, but they'll get married somewhen else, and will have a good day (see above, wedding I was at Saturday had several people missing who bride and groom would have liked to have been there, including the grooms youngest brother who was to e an usher).

Yet to hear a viable alternative to just putting up with it.  And as there isn't one, there's no point moaning/bitching about it.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 19, 2010, 03:14:51 pm
A pain in the arse? Yes. A BIG DEAL? No.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 19, 2010, 03:15:31 pm
Having a few people missing from a wedding is one thing, having bride and groom missing is another.

They are accepting it, but saying it's not a big deal from the comfort of your own home / office / Iphone at your local crag is easy to say.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 19, 2010, 03:16:49 pm
So what do you define as a BIG DEAL? A dying relative for example?
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: tomtom on April 19, 2010, 03:16:57 pm
Hopefully this week (or more) without flights will make us (as a nation) re-evaluate how much we use air travel - and whether we need to use it so much. I'm as guilty as many about how often I fly for cheap trips away - but I do think its something we've got used to and this is a useful reminder that we dont 'need' to fly about as much as we do at present (well did a week ago!). Time for re-evaluation.

A healthy thing for the country and Northern Europe, especially given the impact of aviation on anthropogenic global warming. Viva la staycation.. The other healthy thing for Europe of course will be if Ryan Air goes bust as a consequence!

Its bad for all the people left in the lurch - and this will (is) reveal what shits the Insurance industry are about this. No-one will be covered - the 'act of god' is there for good reason - so that an earthquake, volcano, tusnami whatever will not bankrupt the insurance company! Airlines also have no responsibility if a flight is cancelled due to weather or act of god.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: tomtom on April 19, 2010, 03:18:27 pm
In amongst some cool volcano pictures http://ow.ly/1AbQf (http://ow.ly/1AbQf)
Check out that craglet/boulder!
(http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/files/2010/04/volcano5.jpg)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 19, 2010, 03:21:48 pm
Likely be basalt and utter choss, but you never know...
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: tomtom on April 19, 2010, 03:25:24 pm
Likely be basalt and utter choss, but you never know...
:agree: looks cool though!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: GraemeA on April 19, 2010, 05:24:07 pm
If you fly with an EU airline, then the airline has a legal responsibility to provide you with food and accommodation until a replacement flight has been organised.

Those people desperately stranded on climbing holidays will be able to claim expenses back for their food and hotel etc, directly from their airline. Their insurance shouldn't come into it.

Good luck with Ryanair mind, just go straight to suing the fuckers

Some one told me that if you have a return booked then they must give you some compo for hotels etc BUT if you have 2 single fares booked (which is seemingly what you get with budget flights) then you are on your own
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: tomtom on April 19, 2010, 05:56:59 pm
If you fly with an EU airline, then the airline has a legal responsibility to provide you with food and accommodation until a replacement flight has been organised.

Those people desperately stranded on climbing holidays will be able to claim expenses back for their food and hotel etc, directly from their airline. Their insurance shouldn't come into it.

Good luck with Ryanair mind, just go straight to suing the fuckers

Some one told me that if you have a return booked then they must give you some compo for hotels etc BUT if you have 2 single fares booked (which is seemingly what you get with budget flights) then you are on your own

I think someones already posted this, but if you've checked in - then its the airlines responsibility. But if not then they only have to give you either another flight (as soon as they can) or a full refund. Hence these spawny geets on a school trip to China who find themselves in a 5 star hotel in Shanhai at BA's expense... (they'd got as far as the boarding gate).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/apr/19/volcano-strands-british-students-chinese (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/apr/19/volcano-strands-british-students-chinese)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 19, 2010, 06:02:08 pm
Scottish airspace at least should be opening in the morning.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: clm on April 19, 2010, 09:22:20 pm
peeps i know stuck in china till the 27th and japan till the 1st. Jammy swines. Why o why didnt i go abroad.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Jim on April 19, 2010, 09:55:12 pm
because you'd rather be here with me, your 1 friend  :shag:
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 20, 2010, 09:03:30 am
Scottish airspace at least should be opening in the morning.

But might close again after a fresh spew. Sleet today. Lovely.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 20, 2010, 09:05:52 am
Last night's news was hilarious, those warships nosing round the channel not sure what to do. Bring on the ash!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 20, 2010, 09:15:03 am
I liked the clips on Radio 1 of various newsclips of people trying to pronounce the glacier.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: mark s on April 20, 2010, 11:03:20 am
All through this I've been in contact with andi,at 1st he was booking flights then cancelling them.then it wud b may!!! Before he could get a flight.he has given up on planes.All this navy rescue is pre election propaganda.A few hundred ppl is fuck all.I'd fetch him from dover but all the ferries are booked up.said he can't find any info off of what to do.said its everyman for himself now.
I can't see any end to this soon.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Nigel on April 20, 2010, 11:17:31 am
said its everyman for himself now.

What a great image. AndiT sycthing through the thronged holidaymakers of Calais, cutlass flashing, piling up a highway of bloated corpses behind him. Come on Andi!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: mark s on April 20, 2010, 11:25:07 am
Haha brilliant.swinging his size 5 friend around in one hand and 2 size 1 nuts in the other :-)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: galpinos on April 20, 2010, 11:29:11 am

Just heard a plane go over to land at Manchetser. Not sure what it's doing though, apart from giving false hope to people in the terminals, as the airport is still shut till 7pm.

Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Jaspersharpe on April 20, 2010, 11:57:39 am
said its everyman for himself now.

What a great image. AndiT sycthing through the thronged holidaymakers of Calais, cutlass flashing, piling up a highway of bloated corpses behind him. Come on Andi!

Women, children and long haired Staffordshire gritstone heroes first!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: mark s on April 20, 2010, 12:03:13 pm
I think he has probably pulled it all out now or its like gandalf's with all the stress.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Eddies on April 20, 2010, 12:04:48 pm
Half of my office ran to the window this morning and all pointed and wowed at a plane flying over... I do work in Stoke on Trent tho!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 20, 2010, 12:35:08 pm
I do work in Stoke on Trent tho!

Indeed. Pointing implies some sort of manual control over digits.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Eddies on April 20, 2010, 10:05:29 pm
Im sure if there where any to hand bones would have been thrown!
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj228/eddiesniper/2001-a-space-odyssey-1.jpg)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Paul B on April 21, 2010, 01:33:28 am
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4537844806_2604efc09a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rebba/4537844806/)

Not a bad shot
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: mark s on April 21, 2010, 06:07:32 am
Bloody hell can see my 1st contrail for a week,looks like coming from the states
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on April 21, 2010, 10:48:37 pm
Read today that even though EU regs say they've got to provide food and accom for delayed passengers, Ryanair have announced that they're gonna refund ticket prices and that's it. Apparently its ok to flaunt the law these days if you do it openly with a "fuck everybody" victorian workhouse attitude. Shouldn't really be surprised, as this is the same company that doesn't even supply its aircrew with water to drink during flights.

CUNTS!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Paul B on April 21, 2010, 10:58:23 pm
Read today that even though EU regs say they've got to provide food and accom for delayed passengers, Ryanair have announced that they're gonna refund ticket prices and that's it. Apparently its ok to flaunt the law these days if you do it openly with a "fuck everybody" victorian workhouse attitude. Shouldn't really be surprised, as this is the same company that doesn't even supply its aircrew with water to drink during flights.

CUNTS!
is it the same for "natural disasters" as insurance companies use that as a get out (although they didn't with my car in the floods)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: lagerstarfish on April 21, 2010, 11:28:07 pm
When I saw that PaulB had posted on this thread I felt sure that it would have been due to him being on
A: the only plane to fall out of the sky due to ash
B: the list of 3 people being sued for making the ash cloud
C: some grim industrial island populated by sex starved 20 stone leather clad joy-boys which doesn't have another flight out for 12 months

Thank god he's OK
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Houdini on April 21, 2010, 11:57:58 pm
Loved every minute of it.   Mostly as this ugly fucker stopped hedge-cutting directly over my pad at 2pm every goddamn day

(http://www.luftfahrt.net/galerie/photos/2003/10/1049722882_F-GSTB_Airbus-Super-Transporter-(Beluga.jpg)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Paul B on April 22, 2010, 12:09:03 am
what the hell is that thing? It looks like a blimp mated with an (ugly) boeing.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: lagerstarfish on April 22, 2010, 12:29:27 am
That's the Hunchback Dolphin Plane. Brought onto this earth to make pug dogs look not-quite-so-fucking-ugly mainly by being much bigger and more annoying than any lap-style dog can ever be.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 22, 2010, 09:41:54 am
It's the Mekon's plane.

 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mekon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mekon) for any youths who don't know what I'm talking about).
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Jaspersharpe on April 22, 2010, 10:59:49 am
Amazingly, Ryanair have backed down (http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/ryanair-agrees-to-compensate-ashcloud-passengers-1951007.html).
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on April 22, 2010, 11:11:33 am
I'm almost enough of a cynic these days to believe that they always intended to bide by the regs, but they know if they pretended for a few days that they wouldn't it'd be a lot of free publicity for them. Either way......FUCKING CUNTS.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Jaspersharpe on April 22, 2010, 11:18:48 am
I wouldn't put anything past that fucker O'Leary.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: john horscroft on April 22, 2010, 11:43:22 am
Amazing!  Any kind of govt interference they don't like, they kick and scream until they're sick - natural disaster that infringes their ability to screw the public make a profit, they expect a governement bail out -

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE63I1EW.htm (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE63I1EW.htm)
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: magpie on April 22, 2010, 02:53:17 pm
Amazingly, Ryanair have backed down (http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/ryanair-agrees-to-compensate-ashcloud-passengers-1951007.html).
Yes, but since it's now impossible to check in online they can still skin everyone for £40 each when they have to check in at the airport, so I doubt they're too worried about paying the compensation as they'll no doubt get a large proportion of it back through scamming folk another way.   :wank:
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Percy B on April 24, 2010, 09:03:43 pm
We got back from Portugal last night having had to spend an extra week because of flight cancelations. It wasn't much of an amazing extra weeks holidays when you have the stress and expense of trying to work out the best way of getting home when there are no flights, and any that are put on could potentially be cancelled at a moments notice. If our flight yesterday had been cancelled, we would have had the joy of a 28 hour train journey to Paris (next Wednesday - earliest available) with our 2 year old sat on our laps in a standard seat - no sleeping cars on the train. Then a Eurostar to London, then a massively ocverpriced train to Sheffield and a taxi ride home to pay for, before driving back over to Liverpool to collect our car. Not my idea of fun really. We had to book all these tickets anyway as a backup plan, and have lost out big style as a result.... the refunds on tickets are normally only a percentage of what they cost (and in Portugal you can pay on a card, but you get your refund in cash - here's your 550€ Mr Bishton in 10€ notes!)
I, for one, have never been so glad to get on an Easyjet flight as I was last night. A extra weeks holiday full of stress and uncertainty, an extra grands worth of expense that you haven't budgeted for, and a load of extra hassle with work (particularly for the missus) isn't the massive jolly bonus that some people assume it might be....

WTF Gordon was doing sending the Ark Royal into the Channel, God alone knows. Maybe he just wanted to try deploying some big warships before he gets booted out?
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Bubba on April 24, 2010, 09:09:51 pm
Maybe he just wanted to try deploying some big warships before he gets booted out?
:lol:
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: clm on April 25, 2010, 07:04:41 am
apparently the budget airlines have to leave one card which they dont charge for using. Its called escape and you can get it from phones 4 u. No booking charges apparently. You pay a tenner then can top up what you want. Jims mate said.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: SA Chris on April 25, 2010, 08:47:16 am
We got back from Portugal last night having had to spend an extra week because of flight cancelations.

Volcano shit aside, how was the trip?
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: Percy B on April 25, 2010, 08:41:08 pm
Very nice thanks. Not a huge amount of boulders, but perfect for a weeks trip..... ::) Takes a day or two for the skin to adapt to the grain, but some great little areas.
(http://www.climbnewcastle.com/news/uploads/news302.jpg)

Pic nicked off the Earls website - I've just realised why he was so keen to spot, the cheeky twat!
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: dave on May 16, 2010, 10:17:19 pm
HA HA! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8684683.stm) Only peanuts to them really, but its the thought that counts, cunts.
Title: Re: volcano madnesss
Post by: DaveC on May 23, 2010, 04:38:06 am
Wrong association. Eyjafjoll's activity in the past has sometimes been related to eruptions of it's near-neighbour Katla rather than Hekla. The danger from Katla is more from 'jokalhaup' - glacier melt induced flooding - than from the direct impact of volcanic products.
The last eruption of Eyjafjoll 200 years ago actually did not trigger any eruptions from its neighbour and so far there is no evidence it will trigger anything this time either.

OK, maybe the first signs of life from next door - the first notes of the "Jaws" music may be appropriate about now.
http://www.volcanolive.com/volcanolive.html (http://www.volcanolive.com/volcanolive.html)
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