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the shizzle => shootin' the shit => music, art and culture => Topic started by: Obi-Wan is lost... on March 02, 2010, 10:43:55 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8544150.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8544150.stm)
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Don't give up. The decision will be made by the Trust. Thompson can only make recommendations.
Email trust.enquiries@bbc.co.uk to complain.
Apparently the BBC is to halve web output to "leave space for others". This is fucking stupid. I don't mind paying my licence fee precisely because of things like the iplayer and radio stations like 6music.
I DO resent funding the shite that is the majority of the content on BBC1 which takes up over 40% of the licence fee alone and which I hardly ever watch.
Sack Mark Thompson. :wank:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/01/mark-thompson-overpaid (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/01/mark-thompson-overpaid)
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:agree:
my licence fee is being spent on something else if 6 music goes, my telly will be in the bin. All they commission now is a load of wank hosted by some tosser such as Jeremy Vine where everything presented is diametrically opposed. I blame the daily mail
During Tuesday's briefing, Mr Thompson said the report was about "putting quality first". :wank:
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I've put my recommendation to the trust that they can cut £800k off the budget easily by sacking Thompson immediately. I'm sure if I had a look at their finances I could find plenty of other ways to cut £100m without sacrificing "quality".
Getting rid of BBC Switch is also a disgrace. Quality programming for young people with no advertising will be replaced by what the commercial channels already churn out tons of. Imported US "teen" rubbish (often with Christian undertones) with adverts for shit every ten minutes. This is "leaving room for others" is it? Is Thompson in Murdoch's pocket or something?
Also, the trust recently recommended that Radio 2 should not alienate it's older listeners. With Radio 1 dumming down all the time and seemingly aiming it's content at 14 year olds what is there left for anyone 25 - 45!? 6music?.......oh hang on......
:furious:
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6 music is the best radio station on the air and the only one I ever find myself listening to...
Breakfast without Sean Keevney?
Boo...I say again, BOO!
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Check out the comments here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/02/bbc-strategic-review-cuts#start-of-comments).....
Just echoing what we're saying really.
It's not too late. Email the trust!!!
Having said that of course I just got an automated reply saying that they cannot guarantee a personal reply to every email BUT it's still worth a try.
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From @VizTopTips
BBC GOVERNORS, prepare for a possible Conservative Government by pre-emptively shooting yourselves in the foot.
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Arseholes. Have emailed the trust. 6 Music is the only reason I own a DAB radio.
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I don't pay the license fee (no television) and don't listen to 6Music but cutting it seems to be a traversty.
If the BBC is about anything it's about doing what the commercial sector does not consequently that would be grounds for getting rid of Radio1 and BBC1.
As has been pointed out cutting the packages of the top 50 earners in the BBC would make the required savings and cutting the money paid to 'talent' would save even more.
As for the argument that they'd go elsewhere, maybe but if one side stopped the arms race the others would offer less too.
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Maybe with the savings they could finally put 5 Live on FM?
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Apparently 6music only costs £6m a year.
I've already found an area where we could save about ten times that:
Two BBC bosses have racked up the biggest pensions in the public sector, together worth more than £14m.
Mark Byford, 51, the deputy director general, is to receive a pension of at least £229,500 a year from a pot valued at almost £8m. This could rise to more than £10m if he works at the BBC until the age of 60.
Alan Yentob, 62, the arts presenter and creative director of the BBC, has accumulated a pension worth £6.3m, giving an annual retirement income of £216,667 for the rest of his life, according to new research.
Until now it was thought that Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England, had Britain’s largest public sector pension. His pension pot is valued at £5.7m, paying a retirement income of £198,613 a year.
Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrats’ Treasury spokesman, said: “As more and more massive public sector pots are revealed, it only strengthens the case for reform. Taxpayers simply cannot afford to be paying lavish pensions for executives who are already extremely well paid.
“For teachers and nurses these schemes can deliver an appropriate pension, but these figures show that they can deliver obscene retirement packages for senior executives.”
This weekend it also emerged that the BBC has for the past decade rewarded senior executives with lavish receptions and leaving parties, with one farewell costing more than £150,000. The extravagant send-offs were not disclosed last month when executives’ expenses were published.
The Sunday Times asked Hargreaves Lansdown, the financial services group, to analyse BBC executive pensions after the corporation rejected a request under the Freedom of Information Act (FOI) to disclose the size of pensions held by executives below main board level. The BBC said the scheme was exempted from FOI because it is managed by a third party.
The analysis found that Mark Thompson, the corporation’s director general, has a second “hidden” BBC pension worth nearly £2.9m. No details of this pension, accrued between 1979 and 2001, appear in the BBC’s most recent accounts. They record only the pension rights he has earned since his appointment as director general in 2004, after a short spell at Channel 4.
Members of the BBC’s final salary pension scheme contribute 6.75% of their annual salary to the pension. The full cost of meeting these pension benefits far exceeds the members’ contributions.
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what is there left for anyone 25 - 45!? 6music?.......oh hang on......
Planet Rock on DAB of course. Alice Cooper's breakfast show is ace.
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I'll be gutted if this gets pushed through.
Aside from the inexplicable presence of George Lamb, 6music has been a beacon of hope. Only the odd evening dj (e.g. Radcliffe and Maconie) on R2 come close to offering something in the same vein.
Sure, 6music will get picked up by a commercial operator, but I cannot stand any radio with adverts - they will lose me as a dedicated listener straight away.
So little of what the BBC spends its (our) money on has any relevance or appeal to me, yet I still feel happy paying the licence fee precisely because of things like 6music, and good quality American imports like Mad Men (which I understand are also under threat as well).
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/02/bbc-strategic-review-mark-thompson (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/02/bbc-strategic-review-mark-thompson)
BBC Trust chairman Sir Michael Lyons said today if there was a big enough public response about the cuts then he would ask management to rethink its strategy.
"If we find that... there's massive public concern that we need to take account of then we will go back to the director general to rethink the strategy before it's approved," he said.
Email the trust!!!
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Email the trust!!!
Done.
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Email the trust!!!
Done.
ditto
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Ditto.
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also email: srconsultation@bbc.co.uk
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Was just going to post that cofe nice one.
There are three months to complain and they'd already had over 2500 yesterday. If everyone who listens to 6music (or doesn't but cares about this sort of thing) emails them then they will have to listen.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/01/bbc-6-music-complaints (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/01/bbc-6-music-complaints)
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Emails have gone - lets hope they see sense.
Chopping BBC3 or reducing its budget seems like the obvious solution to me.
Interesting to see shadow cabinet member, Ed Vaizey positioning himself as a supporter of 6music - seems a bit disengenuous to me given that much of the pressure that Thompson is feeling comes from the Murdoch empire, who lest we forget have just cosied up to the Tories - dare I speculate on the behind the scenes deals that were done with Cameron prior to New Labour being formally abandoned?
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Bit of a pain in the arse but it is worth filling this in too:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consultations/departments/bbc/bbc-strategy-review/consultation/putting-quality-first/getFirstPage (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consultations/departments/bbc/bbc-strategy-review/consultation/putting-quality-first/getFirstPage)
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http://www.petition.fm/petitions/6musicasiannet/1000/ (http://www.petition.fm/petitions/6musicasiannet/1000/)
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Dissent is building........
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/02/ben-bradshaw-tories-bbc-planned-cuts (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/02/ben-bradshaw-tories-bbc-planned-cuts)
More than 30 Labour MPs have signed a Commons early day motion saying it would be wrong to close 6 Music or the Asian Network and Tom Watson, the Labour former minister who tabled the motion, today urged the BBC to save the two stations.
John Whittingdale, the Tory MP who chairs the Commons culture committee, also said that the decision to close the two stations was "curious". He said the BBC should be "providing things that can't be found in the commercial sector".
Don Foster, the Liberal Democrat culture spokesman, also urged the BBC to think again about 6Music and the Asian Network.
"Today's report signals the end of the BBC roaming wherever it fancied. The decision to focus on high-quality UK content is welcome," he said.
"However, I am not convinced that using 6 Music and the Asian Network as sacrificial lambs to pay for it is the right approach. While the BBC has become overgrown in some areas and needs pruning, the licence fee payers must have their say about what's to go."
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What this needs is ONE PLACE where you can register your vote of displeasure. At the moment there is a facebook group, email the BBC, fill in a BBC questionaire, Fill in the link above from Jasper - this wont work unless there is ONE PLACE...
So everyone email your dissent to mick.ryan@ukc.com - he'll sort it all out ;)
Daftness aside, there needs to be one voice with many names behind it here. I've sent three emails and can't keep on filling in new things etc..
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I agree with the principle but it's bombarding the Trust from all angles that will work (if anything will).
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Just filled in the consultation. It's worth doing everything innit.
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Could well be the most important thing to do. They ask for constructive feedback and give you the chance to get your point across. Lest we forget, we pay for this shit.
Good blog about the DG's previous here.......
http://happilystupid.blogspot.com/2010/02/6music-asian-network-glr-and-mark.html (http://happilystupid.blogspot.com/2010/02/6music-asian-network-glr-and-mark.html)
Retard.
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Have now emailed both those addresses and filled in the form. Come on people do you bit, it's got to be worth it!
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Nearly 40,000 signatures on the petition. Apparently 100,000 members of a Save 6 Music group on Farsebook. MPs, record industry bosses and BBC staff all speaking out against Thompson's plans and The Trust saying they are willing to listen to public opinion.
I haven't felt so encouraged about a protest movement since Stop The War and that.........ah, never mind.
Seriously, I think there's a good chance that this can be stopped if enough people join in.
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Join in! Join in! Join in!
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What will become of Adam & Joe?
That said, were they coming back anyway?
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They're 'on a sabbatical', working on other projects. Joe is writing films.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0180428/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0180428/)
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and what about Boggins?
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Poor Boggins!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_beqQPcihvh4/Sx5gzZzrOwI/AAAAAAAAAlo/7ZAElYQ9mWg/s400/saveboggins.jpg)
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have send a strongly worded email too.
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Paxman grilling Thompson (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8546940.stm#id8540000/8546900/8546940)
:thumbsup: Love the person chuckling in the background towards the end when BBC4's schedule for the evening is being ripped to pieces.
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A key point to remember if you email the BBC trust is arguing against BBC senior salaries may deflate the weight of the argument...stick to the case in hand I think.
Good ammo includes the fact 6 and the asian network have several key features that match the stated BBC mission exactly: they are excellent value for money already; they fulfill needs not really met elsewhere; they both break new music to the UK audience; 6 in particular is a potential growth market (I suspect if more people knew about it would be way more successful and this storm will be good publicity).
I'll be amazed if they dont about-turn on 6. The asian network situation is more complex as it was set up as a 'stop gap' to encourage more music to be assimilated main-stream (not that thats what happened much to the shame of the BBC); even one of the consultants that helped set the station up recommened on R4 yesterday that this station should probably be closed and the content should be spread across more mainstream stations and channels.
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Adam Buxton asking Mark Thompson to step outside for a bit mano et mano (third down video) (http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/arts_entertainment/media/bbc+plans+to+axe+radio+and+online+content/3566982)
:thumbsup:
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Listener data for all BBC stations.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/mar/03/bbc-6-music-listening-figures#data (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/mar/03/bbc-6-music-listening-figures#data)
Scroll down for summary table.
So less people listen to 1extra, Five Live Sports Extra than 6Music. Can't believe that many people listen to BBC7?!
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Having fun with stats...compared total listener hours to total budgets to work out average cost per listener hours...
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R-lSdKwCWv4/S47sw6GS5HI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/g1eNZiCNL74/s800/BBC%20facts.jpg)
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoTGL85cw6u-dGlUaV9HNURRU19QNkVkNFI0NDd2M2c&hl=en_GB (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoTGL85cw6u-dGlUaV9HNURRU19QNkVkNFI0NDd2M2c&hl=en_GB)
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Interesting but the only stat necessary is that BBC1 alone costs approximately double ALL BBC radio output. The rest is quibbling over pennies really.
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Can't believe that many people listen to BBC7?!
Oi, leave BBC7 alone. I like their short stories.
How do they calculate these figures anyway? Am I right in thinking that they don't take into account the number of people who listen/watch on the web?
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total listener hours to total budgets to work out average cost per listener hours...
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R-lSdKwCWv4/S47sw6GS5HI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/g1eNZiCNL74/s800/BBC%20facts.jpg)
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoTGL85cw6u-dGlUaV9HNURRU19QNkVkNFI0NDd2M2c&hl=en_GB (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoTGL85cw6u-dGlUaV9HNURRU19QNkVkNFI0NDd2M2c&hl=en_GB)
oooh, :great: nice work :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Doesnt Adam and Joes podcast have 800k downloads a week or something crazy like that..?
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Can't believe that many people listen to BBC7?!
Oi, leave BBC7 alone. I like their short stories.
How do they calculate these figures anyway? Am I right in thinking that they don't take into account the number of people who listen/watch on the web?
I'd have thought that was perhaps the easiest way to quantify listeners/watchers since you have a record of every single request (albeit some may be multiple requests from the same person).
Far easier to quantify than the number of listeners to traditional radio/TV broadcasting where you're sending out a signal and anyone can pick it up. I believe that this aspect of consumerism is quantified by a subset of a few thousand houses around the country recording what they watch/listen and the numbers are then extrapolated (in a roughly linear manner).
Amusing Daily Mash take (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-%26-entertainment/bbc-angers-fans-of-the-idea-of-6-music-201003032520/)
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Doesnt Adam and Joes podcast have 800k downloads a week or something crazy like that..?
It was hugely popular, I just hope they continue wherever they end up next. Their old (pre-bbc) ones from XFM are still available somewhere. They're not as polished but they swear and stuff which is quite funny after listening to the BBC friendly ones.
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Their old (pre-bbc) ones from XFM are still available somewhere. They're not as polished but they swear and stuff which is quite funny after listening to the BBC friendly ones.
Grab them from XFM archives (http://www.xfm.co.uk/sectional.asp?b=onair&id=8850)....which just take you through to fucking iWank :furious: :wank: :furious: :wank:
www.adamandjoe.com (http://www.adamandjoe.com/downloads/bbc-6music-radio-show/) has their 6Music shows, but no XFM (as far as I've been able to find so far).
Looks like they could be back on 6Music (for at least one more show!) (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00r9vkl)
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(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2010/3/1/1267465128053/2-Information-is-Beautifu-001.jpg)
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£50 mil on CBBC?? A bunch of cartoons, puppets and sheltered employment for muppets?
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Just you wait my friend. In a few years that will sound like a bargain!
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So the budget for BBC Parliament channel is more than 6 Music?!?!? Only Sloper watches it. Scrap that and save 6 Music. Simple.
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Never mind that, 6 Music only costs 3 x Anne Robinson! WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!
Here's an idea. Televise her execution on PPV at £10 a shot. That should bring in at least £6m (at a conservative guess) and with the £3m saving on her salary you have the £9m to pay for 6 Music for another year.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/10/6-music-commercial-demographic-bbc (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/10/6-music-commercial-demographic-bbc)
What a load of shit.
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are they so out of touch? It's not a pop music station. Jesus.
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Don't worry guys, we've been assured that the BBC will be bringing more Music 6 type content to Radio 2 to make up for our loss. See, they've made a start by cutting their only good show, Radcliffe and Mackonie, from five to three nights a week! Hold on a minute... :-\
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Exactly: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/10/bbc-6-music-bruce-dickinson (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/10/bbc-6-music-bruce-dickinson)
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It's this crap about 6Music covering an "area" that the commercial stations already cover, or should be allowed to, or might do if they get rid of it er......or something, we're not really sure but we're sure we're right.
:shrug:
The argument (if you can even call it that) makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and even if it did then it would be wrong as no commercial station could ever be anything like 6Music.
You can see why that bird is tipped to take over from Mark Thompson in the future as she's as clueless and out of touch as he is (and almost has the same name).
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Don't worry guys, we've been assured that the BBC will be bringing more Music 6 type content to Radio 2 to make up for our loss. See, they've made a start by cutting their only good show, Radcliffe and Mackonie, from five to three nights a week! Hold on a minute... :-\
Exactly: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/10/bbc-6-music-bruce-dickinson (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/10/bbc-6-music-bruce-dickinson)
:wall: :wall: :wall: :furious: :furious: :furious:
Is Thompson being paid by Murdoch to do as bad a job as possible so that the BBC is in such a state that the Torys can justify scrapping it? I can't see any other explanation for some of his decisions. The idiots are winning.
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It's this crap about 6Music covering an "area" that the commercial stations already cover, or should be allowed to, or might do if they get rid of it er......or something, we're not really sure but we're sure we're right.
:shrug:
Surely the logic of this argument would call for the immediate axing of utterly shit for brains tat such as Strictly Come Dancing, the combined saving from which would pay for 6 Music many times over, not to mention clearing space in the schedule for some actual real life public service broadcasting. Crap such as Strictly is pure 100% commercial station fodder, why is the BBC wasting money on it when it is supposed to exist to provide quailty content rather than chase ratings?
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Yep. That's exactly why every justification they try to make for these nonsensical decisions falls flat on it's face like a contestant in "Hole in The Wall" (another 'quality' BBC1 programme).
As you say, if the BBC stopped making Strictly then ITV would buy the rights and continue to make EXACTLY the same show. Eastenders likewise etc etc
It just does not make sense. At all.
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It just does not make sense. At all.
I believe this is known as the Chewbacca Defence (http://vodpod.com/watch/1462411-the-chewbacca-defense-clips-south-park-studios)
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Yet another email/petition angle to bombard from (http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/BBCcutsSO?js=true) (guessing quite a few people already got an email about this though).
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STOP THIS MADNESS!!!! (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/11/bbc-digital-radio-after-6-music?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) :wall:
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The DG preparing for his interview with Paxman...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSE2XvwkXV0&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSE2XvwkXV0&feature=player_embedded#)
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David Bowie wades into the fray,
http://adam-buxton.co.uk/ad/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/CHNAGES-FOR-6-MUSIC-EDIT.mp3 (http://adam-buxton.co.uk/ad/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/CHNAGES-FOR-6-MUSIC-EDIT.mp3)
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The consultation on this closes today from what I've just heard. Worth a few minutes to send an email or fill in the questionaire. if you haven't already.
Emails to :-
srconsultation@bbc.co.uk
Questionaire at :-
https://consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/departments/bbc/bbc-strategy-review/consultation/consult_view (https://consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/departments/bbc/bbc-strategy-review/consultation/consult_view)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/may/24/6-music-bpi-aim (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/may/24/6-music-bpi-aim)
The BBC are getting it from all angles on this and rightly so. 47% increase in listeners, awards, hit all targets, good value for money............there's not one argument left to close the station (not that there was a valid one in the first place).
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Have just filled in the questionaire.
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yep, cheers for the link to the questionnaire. Just hope it makes a difference (I'm not very hopeful)
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Was always optimistic about this because of the massive number of complaints etc.
From @callummay (who works for the BBC) on Twitter:
Just heard some news about 6Music. Frustratingly, not allowed to say what it is for a bit. But put it like this: HIP HIP HOO-BLOODY-RAY!
Looks good.
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Awesome! Don't have to pay the petrol money to drive down to london and beat the beeb director general repeatedly with my otherwise pointless dab radio
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Just heard on 5 Live that its "saved for the time being", made my day... beastmaker sessions wouldn't be quite the same without Marc Riley's show..
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/05/bbc-6-music-saved (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/05/bbc-6-music-saved)
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Proper kick in the teeth there for Thompson. Every one of his arguments completely rubbished!
A rare victory for common sense. :bounce:
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Hoooo-fucking-ray!
Best piece of news I've heard for months
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10507286.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10507286.stm)
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Thats great news. :thumbsup: