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the shizzle => shootin' the shit => Topic started by: Obi-Wan is lost... on February 16, 2010, 09:06:53 am
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This made me spit out my cereal...
I like the notion of this blunt technological camouflage, where it looks as if you're doing one thing while you're doing the exact opposite. Here's another idea. Modern 3D cinema technology works by ensuring your left eye sees one image while your right sees another. But they could, presumably, issue one pair of specs comprising two left-eye lenses (for children to wear), and another with two right-eye lenses (for adults). This would make it possible for parents to take their offspring to the cinema and watch two entirely different films at the same time. So while the kiddywinks are being placated by an animated CGI doodle about rabbits entering the Winter Olympics or something, their parents will be bearing witness to some apocalyptically degrading pr0nography. The tricky thing would be making the soundtracks match. Those cartoon rabbits would have to spend a lot of time slapping their bellies and moaning.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/15/charlie-brooker-ebook-convert (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/15/charlie-brooker-ebook-convert)
Sorry, couldn't find the old 'Brooker' thread.
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Some good comments as usual too.
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He's at it again...10min in first episode and he's a genius
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/black-mirror (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/black-mirror)
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Not quite sure what I think about that. A bit too twisted for my tastes.
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Well observed I thought, but also a bit shit. Hopefully the other two will be better.
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I thought it was fucking dynamite.
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I loved it! I feel pretty sure that Brooker must be clinically insane; I hope he doesn't seek treatment.
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Arse, I meant to try and catch that. Ah well at least I might remember to set Sky+ for the next two.
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Arse, I meant to try and catch that. Ah well at least I might remember to set Sky+ for the next two.
No need its on-line (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/black-mirror)
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I saw that but the port on my laptop which the internet cable plugs into has broken, so I am only on Wi-Fi at home at the moment which means it can be a bit shit to watch stuff online or do any streaming.
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Ah ok, when I have that problem I hit play then pause, it'll then buffer some of the video (leave for 5-10minutes depending on how good your connection is) and then hit play again, should help resolve some of the buffering issues.
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Thoughts on 15x10^6 merits etc?
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Thoughts on 15x10^6 merits etc?
I switched over to watch the news after 1/2 hour of nothing eventful.. I guess it could all have been slow character/monotony/plot building stuff, but it didnt grab me. Good production values and some nice touches with the future tech and credits going up and down etc.. forced to watch adverts etc.. but both me and MrsTT's Dad didnt feel any urge to persist after 1/2 hour...
I normally like Brooker things too.. (missed last weeks..)
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thought last night's was really good. a bit Requiem for a Dream at times (but thankfully not quite).
just a shame it was on immediately after the rather sobering footage of the japanese quake/tsunami.
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Thoughts on 15x10^6 merits etc?
not as good as 'national anthem', but future quite spot on if that is all our world is currently based upon. inadvertantly sold himself out, whilst leaving that girl to enjoy more cock
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I think it is a bit more of a slow burner than the first, still good but didn't have the same impact (probably no accident that National Anthem was picked to be screened first). I did like how it left many questions unanswered.
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I thought it was far better than “National Anthem”.
Good themes that were nicely symbolised, strong lead character, well acted in general and a thoroughly depressing ending that wasn’t the feel good cop out I thought it was going to be.
Maybe a little too obvious but I guess that made the messages clearer. Also a couple of the characters were too one dimensional but with the time span I guess the peripheral roles can’t really be fleshed out.
My only complaint would be I felt a bit down after it and when I flicked over to MOTD2 I caught the highlights (I really don’t think this is the right description) of Rovers chucking away 3 points in 6 minutes. That really helped! :wavecry:
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a thoroughly depressing ending that wasn’t the feel good cop out I thought it was going to be.
From Brooker? Yeah good luck with that! ;)
I enjoyed it, nice sets etc, clever integration and appliance of mostly existing tech. Kinect etc. I did want him to kill someone though, maybe the guy on the bike next to his, or one of the judges.
Killing one of the judges but then taking their place because the ratings went sky high, would have been a good ending.
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Kinect etc.
I laughed at some of the ill-thought-out choices by C4 of what to show during the commercial break, like dance to Abba in front of your Wii, or guitar hero 37 or whatever it was. Oh the irony etc.
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Kinect etc.
I laughed at some of the ill-thought-out choices by C4 of what to show during the commercial break, like dance to Abba in front of your Wii, or guitar hero 37 or whatever it was. Oh the irony etc.
Yeah and the 'head in the box' John Lewis ad running was genius.
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I thought it was far better than “National Anthem”.
Good themes that were nicely symbolised, strong lead character, well acted in general and a thoroughly depressing ending that wasn’t the feel good cop out I thought it was going to be.
Maybe a little too obvious but I guess that made the messages clearer.
Agreed. Any point he was trying to make last week got lost behind the desire to shock. Not the case last night: much sharper.
I bet most of the ad placement during it last night was intentional by some very savvy ad agencies. Or maybe I watch too much Mad Men.
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a thoroughly depressing ending that wasn’t the feel good cop out I thought it was going to be.
From Brooker? Yeah good luck with that! ;)
By "feel good cop out" I was thinking he'd top himself, so more "feel good" in what I imagined was a brooker sense.
Killing one of the judges but then taking their place because the ratings went sky high, would have been a good ending.
I think I'd have found that less depressing.
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The other thing I wanted to see was a tiny flicker of the 'view' in the last scene to show it still wasn't 'real'.
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I found it claustrophobic and had the urge to run outside afterwards and breathe in fresh air and look at some trees! :lol:
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I thought it was excellent; a really claustrophobic Orwellian scenario (having to pay to not be bombarded by a wall to wall talent show beamed into your room), with scary similarities to the way we live nowadays.
It was also very moving at times and the acting was superb.
Loved that closing shot with the main character staring out at a beautiful, but fake forest landscape.
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I enjoyed National Anthem but it was a rather sub-Brass Eye trip down a well-trodden path.
By comparison, 15 million merits, was far a more imaginative and risky venture, but he nailed it. Beautifully made and acted, rather touching in a manner unusual for sci-fi. Disturbed by giving voice to how, in my darker moments, I feel things are rapidly going. Nice touch how the reward for Bing's compliance was a slightly bigger cell with better rendered artificial scenery; he lost his soul to upgrade to a gilded cage. The tone rather reminded me of the sci-fi sections of David Mitchell's Ghostwritten and Cloud Atlas.
Maybe Charlie Brooker has a future in film? Who'd have thought that a few years ago, when his output consisited of short, funny rants about shit telly. I can't think of many critics who've successfully dared to put their reputation on the line like that.
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well put. Cloud Atlas is sat on my desk, maybe its time.
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I thought it was very interesting, and well done, but it always seems a little strange, or uncomfortable to me, to observe a critical perspective of media driven society by watching the telly. Remember: The revolution will not be televised.
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I thought it was very interesting, and well done, but it always seems a little strange, or uncomfortable to me, to observe a critical perspective of media driven society by watching the telly. Remember: The revolution will not be televised.
A bit like Why Don't You Just Switch Off Your Television Set And Go Out And Do Something Less Boring Instead? - a telly programme showing you things to do instead of watching telly:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/titles/whydontyou.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/titles/whydontyou.shtml)
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well put. Cloud Atlas is sat on my desk, maybe its time.
Awesome book, best writer of his generation.
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:jab:
I thought it was very interesting, and well done, but it always seems a little strange, or uncomfortable to me, to observe a critical perspective of media driven society by watching the telly. Remember: The revolution will not be televised.
It is televised. Itv4 on a Monday night. Cav was on the last one.
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i know it wasn't written by cb (was produced by him though) but i thought this might be a good place to say how good i thought black mirror was last night.
really amazing writing, direction and acting. one of the best uk made for tv things i've seen for ages.
anybody else hovering over the facebook delete button this morning?
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yeah it was really good. Written by the 4lions/peepshow dude.
What I've liked about all three in the series is they're the kind of thing you watch and then a day later you're still thinking about them.
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f*cking cheating ar$e whor£
that is all
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last night's was the best yet. so good. and scary.
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Haven’t managed to catch any of the other ones but thought the one last night was great, very clever. Need to ‘re-do’ the end bit again on 4OD and use pause to see if the rapid succession of images which flash up as he removes the grain give any clues to how things ended with his wife – which will be life imitating art.
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Haven’t managed to catch any of the other ones but thought the one last night was great, very clever. Need to ‘re-do’ the end bit again on 4OD and use pause to see if the rapid succession of images which flash up as he removes the grain give any clues to how things ended with his wife – which will be life imitating art.
ooo. good heads up on that....didnt even notice the flashback bit
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Agree with all comments, top quality. Nice use of architecture and tech to depict a not too distant future.
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Haven’t managed to catch any of the other ones but thought the one last night was great, very clever. Need to ‘re-do’ the end bit again on 4OD and use pause to see if the rapid succession of images which flash up as he removes the grain give any clues to how things ended with his wife – which will be life imitating art.
they don't, they're all :hug: moments + :lets_do_it_wild: with her (and for once 4OD is actually fully working).
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Looks like last weeks episode is already coming true (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15970019)
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2012 Wipe is worth catching on iPlayer. On for four more days.
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Word, good call.
Also on a Brooker note, anyone see on Sky/bought the DVD of Touch Of Cloth? If you haven't, you should, its well futile.
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Anyone see weekly wipe?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=Charlie%20Brooker's%20Weekly%20Wipe (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=Charlie%20Brooker's%20Weekly%20Wipe)
Same old classics had me creasing, though the guest bits seemed quite forced. Doug Stanhope, he can do angry :bow:
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Black Mirror Series 2 starts Monday
http://www.channel4.com/microsites/B/black-mirror/index.html (http://www.channel4.com/microsites/B/black-mirror/index.html)
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Anyone see weekly wipe?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=Charlie%20Brooker's%20Weekly%20Wipe (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=Charlie%20Brooker's%20Weekly%20Wipe)
Same old classics had me creasing, though the guest bits seemed quite forced. Doug Stanhope, he can do angry :bow:
Agree about the guests this week, but Doug Stanhope is a winner. I saw him do a live show in manchester about 18 months ago. One of the greatest stand ups of all time imo.
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I thought last nights weekly wipe was pretty weak. Stanhope and Shitpeas were good as usual though
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I thought last nights weekly wipe was pretty weak. Stanhope and Shitpeas were good as usual though
Myabe having a kid has dulled the blade a bit
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I thought last nights weekly wipe was pretty weak. Stanhope and Shitpeas were good as usual though
It was a bit hit and miss but I did crack up at the numbers segment at the start. The two lads in animal onsies saying they had no spare money.....
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so last night's Black Mirror was fairly mind bending. Hard to say what I would do in a similar situation, I know what the common sense approach would be but could you help yourself?
Without giving too much away to those who havent seen it I would say this type of service is just around the corner, people already use social media as interative grave stones as it is.
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But very few pieces of software have passed the Turing test, let alone a personalised version of it.
Not that its not possible I just think there are (quite) a few more corners to go around.
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But very few pieces of software have passed the Turing test, let alone a personalised version of it.
Not that its not possible I just think there are (quite) a few more corners to go around.
I hope the day never arives
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Fuck I forgot about black mirror last night.
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Thought black mirror was pretty cool this week although wasn't sure if the end was a bit lame? I couldn't decide and still cant.
They'll have to pull something special out to beat 'The Entire History of You' from the last series. I seriously cant remember anything better on TV than that in a very long time. It made my brain melt...
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I really enjoyed last night's BM. Intriguing one-step-away-from-where-we-are-now stuff with plenty of emotional heft.
(okay, I accept it's a pretty big step...but who's to say what those fiendishly clever boffins will come up with next - probably just another crap phone/ipad type thing but...)
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Fuck I forgot about black mirror last night.
4OD should sort you out
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That was intense, the best yet?
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Totally fucking Mexico.
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That was intense, the best yet?
yes.
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Awesome.
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This week's black mirror was pretty cool. I wish there were more in a series.
I almost fell off my chair after this from the first couple of minutes of this week's weekly wipe:
'I don't know about you but when I ate a burger I used to think mmm what a tasty disc of compacted tissue scrapings blasted off a cows rotting carcass with a high pressure hose in a fly blown abattoir ringing with the incoherant howls of simple beasts dying from a single boltgun shot to the forehead. But now it turns out it might not be as appetising as that'
Amazing.
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This is a good read on the same subject.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/17/bad-meat-meteors-awesome-footage (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/17/bad-meat-meteors-awesome-footage)
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more food for thought on the subject.
CAUTION - GRAPHIC SLAUGHTERHOUSE FOOTAGE. NOT AN EASY WATCH
If Slaughterhouses Had Glass Walls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2UMp9fsAJo#ws)
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Watched slaughterhouse stuff at school around the age of 12-13 (in Geography classes if I recall correctly). Good to know where food comes from and that people have thought about making sure the suffering involved is minimised (unless its halal or kosher :wank: ).
Humans evolved as omnivores.
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We were taken on a tour of a slaughterhouse at school. I wonder if that still happens. People should know exactly where food comes from and how its produced, including fruit and Veg.
Someone surveyed a load of inner city kids on a food production, and got responses such as 'where do potatoes come from? ...tesco'.
Agree with you on cruelty for religious purposes.
A big issue with food production is the exploitation of agricultural workers, especially the third world cash crops. Hopefully fairtrade is bringing about change though.
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Slaughterhouses regardless of M.O. are full of animal welfare issues.
Saying one way is more humane than the other is subjective.
I think it's highly likely the animals know what's coming.
I eat meat.
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For the record I am nearly vegetarian but thought the quote was good at highlighting how stupid the outrage at the horse thing is. If you buy 99p lasagne the meats hardly going to be from a good place.
Having said that there's been stuff in the papers about meat labelled organic/free range etc which is slaughtered at terrible places so its all a bit of a minefield. Ultimately unless you raise and kill an animal yourself you'll never know. I think it would be a good thing for meateaters to do. I've not by the way, although my vegetarian partner thinks i should.
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A good step in that direction, is i keep rescued battery and barn hens in my garden proper freerange. They have escaped hellish misery and got a good life. They each lay one two eggs a day. They pay for themselves, and cost very little to feed, plus i control what they eat.
If anyone fancies trying back garden hen keeping, happy to help with questions and advice.
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Slaughterhouses regardless of M.O. are full of animal welfare issues.
Saying one way is more humane than the other is subjective.
If I were offered the choice between having a bolt shot into the brain that kills me instantly (at least in a very high percentage of times) or the option of being hung up, my throat slit and left there bleeding I know which I'd choose.
Its well worth every single bit of a slaughtered animal being used rather than going to waste.
Its a massive luxury that western societies can even consider the welfare of animals, many countries don't have enough animals (or vegetables) to feed everyone in the first place.
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Its a massive luxury that western societies can even consider the welfare of animals, many countries don't have enough animals (or vegetables) to feed everyone in the first place.
More people die worldwide from overeating related diseases than famine these days. The welfare issue is also an interesting one - the goats in the sahel being shepherded and eating what green vegetation they can find (for example) look to live a better life than a lot of animals in western countries. It's the industrialisation and mechanisation of the meat industry that has lead to welfare problems.
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More people die worldwide from overeating related diseases than famine these days.
Really? I did not know that, do you have a source of statistics on this please?
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:off: but the sources Stubbs has provided are...
Lancet Article (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61766-8/fulltext)
Only skimmed the abstract and I'm not sure it actually reports absolute numbers, rather percentages affected by certain risk factors (so you'd need to look up population sizes within each country).
More articles (http://www.thelancet.com/search/results?searchTerm=global+burden+of+disease&fieldName=ArticleTitleAbstractKeywords&journalFromWhichSearchStarted=)).
I suspect the WHO Global burden of disease (http://www.dcp2.org/pubs/GBD) might be useful too, as will searching for age-adjusted standardised mortality rates (yet to do this).
Anyway, I'll quit with the :offtopic:
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Anyway, I'll quit with the :offtopic:
Is this worth moving to a seperate topic, I hadn't read it any of this good stuff, as I thought the thread would have spoilers about Black Mirror.
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It's a pretty interesting (off) topic. I'd be a little bit amazed if more people really do die from causes related to over-eating than from causes related to under-availabilty of food.
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Worth a topic split I think.
I dread to think of the amount of horsemeat that will needlessly go down the pan in the wake of this news story. And all so that those buying a 99p lasagne can breathe easy in the knowledge that they'll be eating their way to sat fat coronary oblivion using only the worst quality meat from animal A rather than animal B.
Agree with Slackers that if an animal is going to be reared and slaughtered then every shred should be put to one use or another. That's what sausages are for!
A friend of mine is (or certainly was when I discussed it with him) of the opinion that those eating meat should be prepared to slaughter and butcher it, if not actually do it. I don't go quite as far as that but I think that all partaking should understand the process and accept that it might not be the prettiest part of the food chain.
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It's a pretty interesting (off) topic. I'd be a little bit amazed if more people really do die from causes related to over-eating than from causes related to under-availabilty of food.
It's a grim ponderance. Perhaps most of the starving people died before the study was commissioned.
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It's a pretty interesting (off) topic. I'd be a little bit amazed if more people really do die from causes related to over-eating than from causes related to under-availabilty of food.
It's a grim ponderance. Perhaps most of the starving people died before the study was commissioned.
More likely they died in childhood before they could develop obesity related diseases.
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And all so that those buying a 99p lasagne can breathe easy in the knowledge that they'll be eating their way to sat fat coronary oblivion using only the worst quality meat from animal A rather than animal B.
Not to mention salt, MSG, half a dozen E number flavours and colourings, "filler" and whatever other crap goes into it.
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Anyway, back on topic...
That was intense, the best yet?
yes.
Someone pointed out the other day that last Mondays episode is in essence just a rehash of....
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ee/Running_Man_Theatrical_Poster.jpg/220px-Running_Man_Theatrical_Poster.jpg)
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Just imagine if Waldo really existed (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/beppe-grillo-italian-elections) :blink:
Noted that last nights was based on an original idea for Nathan Barley by Chris Morris and someone else who's name I didn't catch & don't have time to look up. Life imitating art or art imitating life?
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The other name was Charlie Brooker!
They co wrote all of Nathan Barley together. Maybe it was something they were considering for the talked abiuy 2nd series that never got made?
I rewatched NB again quite recently as all the edisodes are on 4od. Considering the year it was made and that it was pre facebook there are some pretty good predictions of where social media and the internet were going. It's really funny as well.
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The other name was Charlie Brooker!
They co wrote all of Nathan Barley together. Maybe it was something they were considering for the talked abiuy 2nd series that never got made?
I rewatched NB again quite recently as all the edisodes are on 4od. Considering the year it was made and that it was pre facebook there are some pretty good predictions of where social media and the internet were going. It's really funny as well.
Chris Morris is often years ahead of the curve..
2005 http://www.trashbat.co.ck/t12/index.html (http://www.trashbat.co.ck/t12/index.html)
2012 http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-beam-1090224/review (http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-beam-1090224/review)
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Yeah yeah yeah, where's the number 5 button? It's the most popular!
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http://m.guardian.co.uk/media/shortcuts/2013/feb/18/death-social-media-liveson-deadsocial (http://m.guardian.co.uk/media/shortcuts/2013/feb/18/death-social-media-liveson-deadsocial)
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Christmas special :popcorn:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29407090 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29407090)
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Brooker + chap from Madmen + lady from Game of Thrones + "Yuletide techno-paranoia".... oh yes!
It's like Santa has been using some dastardly mind-reading device... I'm now expecting as the Christmas Day film a special edition, even-more festively bad-ass version of Die Hard.
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Brooker + chap from Madmen + lady from Game of Thrones + "Yuletide techno-paranoia".... oh yes!
It's like Santa has been using some dastardly mind-reading device... I'm now expecting as the Christmas Day film a special edition, even-more festively bad-ass version of Die Hard.
could have been the snowing on Christmas day morning if it'd been the blonde one with the dragons
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Black Mirror xmas spesh tonight at 9 on C4. Get startled yeah.
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I'm worried it'll be another dystopian future-shock that'll shit you up. I'm bored of dystopian TV now, it's all that seems to be on.
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I love screenwipe - and enjoy his columns - but the Black Mirror shizzle leaves me, well.. meh...
In the culture rankings I am tesco's basic yoghurt though...
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Thought that was good, not disappointed. Same kind of territory as before but really well put together and executed.
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Enjoyed it very much. The Black Mirror episodes are always thought provoking and, when they come along, make you realise how mundane TV is. Unless you're watching Question Time or Newsnight or something else specifically current affairs related you are never challenged to think, and certainly not outside the status quo.
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Question Time?! All that ever makes me think is "please shut up".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tUqRBiMVo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tUqRBiMVo)
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Yup. Staged question wank. 5 times more celebs appear than scientists... Which do you think are more important to society?
Tv is not there to make us think. It's there to entertain and inform us.
C4 news is the best in depth current affairs show imho, though it has a left bias. It's the ying to skynews superficial right wing yang.
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Newsnight has really gone down hill since tinsel tits has taken over, I'm rarely in to watch C4 news but wouldn't be suprised if it's now between given that NN has that fucking cvnt monkey iKatz as editor.
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Can't believe I've only just stumbled across www.tvgohome.com (http://www.tvgohome.com). Brooker is truly a contemporary genius, some of this stuff is fifteen years old yet, like Barley, is still relevant.
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New series of Black Mirror now on Netflix