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Title: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: cofe on October 22, 2009, 11:58:31 am
Lightroom 3 Beta (http://labs.adobe.com/downloads) now available to try, just in case anyone else on here uses the world's best photo management and RAW processing softwareTM.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 22, 2009, 05:26:40 pm
SCHICK-A-FUCKIN-DINK!
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: cofe on October 22, 2009, 08:56:42 pm
i just took adobe's fist.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 22, 2009, 09:34:11 pm
Hmm. You can't use a previous catalogue. In that case it's really just for testing, I'm not starting again...
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: slackline on October 23, 2009, 12:36:08 am
Hmm. You can't use a previous catalogue. In that case it's really just for testing, I'm not starting again...

Perhaps thats why its a beta release  ;)
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: cofe on October 23, 2009, 08:59:12 am
they did that with the version 2 beta. it's fair enough. i'll try it on a few images and see how it handles.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 23, 2009, 10:06:27 am
Noise reduction and improved RAW algorithms seem good. If the final version has correction for barrel/ pincushion distortion and soft proofing I'll be happily handing over hard cash.

Have they patched support together for Linux yet?
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Yossarian on October 23, 2009, 10:30:04 am
I was in the process of moving from iView to Aperture.

Aperture can't do what I really want though (at least I don't think it can), which is tethered shooting that allows you to view the shot with a decent grid - a bit like the Photoshop View>Show>Grid screen.

Basically, I want the equivalent of seeing the shot through an artificial ground glass screen with horizontal and vertical lines. 

Can you do that with Lightroom?
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: cofe on October 23, 2009, 10:35:58 am
sounds like something Capture One would do, no? I have no idea if it does…
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 23, 2009, 11:03:41 am
I didn't think it was, but apparently it is. I haven't watched it all but if you can switch to the crop function you get a choice of overlays including a grid.

Adobe Lightroom - Tethered Shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9p4LD1SqWo#)
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Yossarian on October 23, 2009, 01:01:01 pm
Ta, I will study later...

As an aside, have you ever hired a digital back for your MF camera?  I've been thinking about borrowing a Phase One.  I assume you could import those files via Lightroom rather than Capture One... 

(I've got Capture One LE, but I've never really bothered using it.) 

Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 23, 2009, 01:18:37 pm
No, I've got a Mamiya 645protl which is the manual focus version, I don't think any of the backs are compatible.

Since the D3x etc were released second-hand prices are tumbling though. I'm seriously thinking of swapping the body for the AFD and getting a P25. Another six months to a year and they should be pretty affordable - 3-4k now.

Capture one/ Phase one integration is supposed to be pretty good.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Yossarian on October 23, 2009, 01:52:59 pm
They were like 15 grand a couple of years back.  Wow...

I just want super big clean images for some poster-sized (around A2) specsheets.  I was going to do it on film, but when you add up all the scanning required it'll probably end up cheaper to hire a P+65 for 2 days.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 23, 2009, 01:58:12 pm
Got access to a 'blad?  [url]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/H101-P25-Phase-one-digital-camera-back_W0QQitemZ120484086654QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CamerasPhoto_DigitalCameras_DigitalCameras_JN?hash=item1c0d69437e]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/H101-P25-Phase-one-digital-camera-back_W0QQitemZ120484086654QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CamerasPhoto_DigitalCameras_DigitalCameras_JN?hash=item1c0d69437e] [url]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/H101-P25-Phase-one-digital-camera-back_W0QQitemZ120484086654QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CamerasPhoto_DigitalCameras_DigitalCameras_JN?hash=item1c0d69437e (http://[url=http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/H101-P25-Phase-one-digital-camera-back_W0QQitemZ120484086654QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CamerasPhoto_DigitalCameras_DigitalCameras_JN?hash=item1c0d69437e) [url]

Or last week you could get a P25 for 4k with a contax 645 thrown in...

Tempting eh?
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 23, 2009, 01:59:06 pm
I'm really having a shit time here without my firefox plugins.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: cofe on October 23, 2009, 02:05:26 pm
don't sweat it ken, your posts look swell.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Yossarian on October 23, 2009, 05:19:49 pm
Yeah, I use a Blad.

I've going to see the hire people as they've not tested Phase One backs with the Flex Body.

I might try a 903SWC too - they're meant to be the shit.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on October 23, 2009, 06:39:23 pm
Smaller, older sensor, but only £1500 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KODAK-DCS-PRO-PLUS-DIGITAL-BACK-HASSELBLAD-555ELD-MINT_W0QQitemZ130321359525QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFilm_Cameras?hash=item1e57c222a5)!

Like I said, another year and these will be worth fuck all, just because a Sony whatever has more pixels... crazy.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on June 08, 2010, 03:54:20 pm
I've said it before, I'll say it again...

SCHICK-A-FUCKIN-DINK (http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshoplightroom/)
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on June 08, 2010, 04:10:12 pm
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When friends or clients post comments and ratings on your Flickr galleries, you can immediately see their feedback in the Lightroom 3 Library alongside your image

Oh God.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: slackline on June 08, 2010, 04:23:29 pm
 :lol:

That'll be one of those "must have" features where all the license money is going to.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: cofe on June 08, 2010, 04:24:23 pm
does it show trophies and medals too?
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Control freak on June 09, 2010, 12:55:11 am
Noise reduction and improved RAW algorithms seem good. If the final version has correction for barrel/ pincushion distortion and soft proofing I'll be happily handing over hard cash.

Looks like your prayers have been answered
Lightroom 3 released (http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2010/archives/10697)
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Bubba on June 09, 2010, 01:36:22 am

I'd heard that the import in LR3 was a big step backwards from 2, i.e. slow and clunky.

Anyone used it yet?
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Paul B on June 09, 2010, 01:44:01 am
No specifics but a lot of the tutorials I've watched seem to use photo mechanic for import for speed (is bridge an alternative, I've heard mention but never bothered)...

You can probably find out in a few weeks Bubba  ;D
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on June 09, 2010, 08:22:05 am
Hmm. I've played with it in the beta release, and thought it was an improvement. I doubt very much if the actual import is slower given the increases in speed elsewhere, just that the interface is a little more involved.I thought it was a good thing - I'm sure once your default is set it'll be just a case of clicking ok threes times like it always was.

The other option is for instant imports is shooting tethered.

Bridge is log. Not used mechanic but why introduce another stage to the process? I use LR for the full workflow now, card to customer.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on June 09, 2010, 08:24:26 am
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Looks like your prayers have been answered

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and soft proofing

Not quite. Guess they had to hold something back for LR 4.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Paul B on June 09, 2010, 12:48:53 pm
Bridge is log. Not used mechanic but why introduce another stage to the process? I use LR for the full workflow now, card to customer.

Itscertainly not relevant for me that for sure but from what I've seen if you're mass importing then it saves a significant amount of time has very good backup facilities etc.
I think lightroom seems pretty slow at importing things already but maybe I'm just being impatient.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: cofe on June 09, 2010, 01:25:37 pm
life is too short to use bridge.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: slackline on June 09, 2010, 01:37:36 pm
How do you cross rivers then, do you wait for Charon?
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: cofe on June 09, 2010, 01:38:25 pm
Who's Sharon? Can she fly?
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: slackline on June 09, 2010, 01:46:35 pm
No, he has a boat though (and a dog called Cerebus).
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Control freak on June 10, 2010, 05:56:09 am
Bridge is log. Not used mechanic but why introduce another stage to the process? I use LR for the full workflow now, card to customer.

Id agree -- Lightroom all the way unless I have to use PS specifically for something that I cant get done in Lightroom (which unless Im doing a portrait for print or something like that is not all that often)

Even mini bridge in CS5 sucks - its ridiculously slow at enumerating and rendering the thumb nails. My computers pretty fly so youd expect it to be fairly quick

On a separate note, if anyones using CS5, ACR 6.1 has just been released
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: Johnny Brown on June 10, 2010, 08:59:12 am
LR and ACR use the same rendering engine - updates are always parallel.

I don't have any issue with LR import speed old or new. You can start developing the first file whilst the rest are being imported. I suspect photo mechanic is used by folk rapidly trying to cull 2000 shots from a football match down to three selects.
Title: Re: Lightroom 3 Beta...
Post by: dave on June 10, 2010, 09:13:43 am
Bridge is slow, I only use it these days for once in a blue moon for keywording to make sure they're still readable by adobe shit in the future, for example when lightroom finally gives you soft proofing etc. On a similar note, can you apply ICC profiles to files in LR?

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