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the shizzle => equipment => Topic started by: Scraggadoo on October 13, 2009, 12:37:32 pm
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Righto - now I'm stuck working a 9 to 5 job, I ain't going to let that stop me from getting out and getting some bouldering done. Problem is, I need a lantern to light up my sessions in the evenings.
Gas, electric or wind-up? What's the lowdown with these? Experiences and recommendations would be very welcome. Ideally it would be nice if it wasn't too big and fairly easy to transport around. Would also ideally like a good output lantern but at the same time don't want it to be too expensive spending loads on gas / batteries either!
I do have a headtorch - a myo xp which is pretty good but a lantern is so much nicer I think... Less weight and all that. ;)
Cheers
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Trawl through this thread (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8731.0.html).
Apparently head torches on the knees can be handy for illuminating foot holds (not tried myself though).
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http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8731.0.html (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8731.0.html)
Gas is the way to go for maximum light/portability, but I still feel more comfortable with my Yellow Monster (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8731.msg136874.html#msg136874) coz it doesn't involve any actual fire. Still £35 from Machine Mart (http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/rwl12-12v-rechargeable-fluorescent-lig/path/work-lights-floodlights).
I've been using the base/battery on its own as a power supply for camping trips
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http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8731.0.html (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8731.0.html)
Gas is the way to go for maximum light/portability, but I still feel more comfortable with my Yellow Monster (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8731.msg136874.html#msg136874) coz it doesn't involve any actual fire. Still £35 from Machine Mart (http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/rwl12-12v-rechargeable-fluorescent-lig/path/work-lights-floodlights).
I've been using the base/battery on its own as a power supply for camping trips
Ta. I did look in the equipment board for some inside info on them lanterns but it's obvious I didn't search hard enough, d'oh.
Hmmm I'm more inclined towards one of them dual fuel jobbies like the r-man's got... Need decent burn time on them! I'd still welcome any other comments / recommendations though, especially as it's been some time since there was a post on that thread.
Ta.
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the bomb shit is one of them dewalt worklights. not cheap but very good.
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One of these?
http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/tool_detail.asp?productID=11037 (http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/tool_detail.asp?productID=11037)
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thats a negatory good buddy.
one of these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140315818424&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT). they've stopped making em.
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would the coleman northstar 2000 dual fuel be any good? What about a suitcase generator could put your tunes on a brew up as well! :bounce:
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thats a negatory good buddy.
one of these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140315818424&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT). they've stopped making em.
Thats the thing you guys had when I bumped into you last year in Font huh? God I want one of them, you could light up El Cap with it.
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:jaw: That good? Hmmm :-\
Will have to do some serious thinking here. For it to work does it only need one battery or two? Them batteries ain't cheap either.
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thats a negatory good buddy.
one of these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140315818424&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT). they've stopped making em.
Thats the thing you guys had when I bumped into you last year in Font huh? God I want one of them, you could light up El Cap with it.
yeah thats the one. its pretty powerful, you can light say west wide story all the way to the topout with no worries. batteries are expensive i think. they'll run on one or two batteries - i think there was some debate about whether it runs one down before going on to the other or runs em in parrallel - banks will know.
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Any personal experiences of these two? I'm leaning towards these two purely because petrol is easy to get in the UK and you can probably buy a more petrol (9 or 10 litres) rather than pay 10 quid or so for two large propane canisters, which gives the same burn time for about 4 litres of petrol.
Dual fuel coleman (two mantle)
http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/shop/stoves-and-lanterns/gas-camping-lanterns/coleman-powerhouse-extra-bright-316115.html (http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/shop/stoves-and-lanterns/gas-camping-lanterns/coleman-powerhouse-extra-bright-316115.html)
Dual fuel Northstar coleman (two mantle)
http://www.worldofcamping.co.uk/shop/coleman_dual_fuel_northstar_lantern__521?utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=ProductSearch (http://www.worldofcamping.co.uk/shop/coleman_dual_fuel_northstar_lantern__521?utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=ProductSearch)
Don't know of any other reputable brands of lanterns so would appreciate any other personal experiences!
Cheers
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thats a negatory good buddy.
one of these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140315818424&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT). they've stopped making em.
Thats the thing you guys had when I bumped into you last year in Font huh? God I want one of them, you could light up El Cap with it.
yeah thats the one. its pretty powerful, you can light say west wide story all the way to the topout with no worries. batteries are expensive i think. they'll run on one or two batteries - i think there was some debate about whether it runs one down before going on to the other or runs em in parrallel - banks will know.
We haven't got round to figuring out exactly how the batteries drain yet, but I'm pretty sure they run parallel, if two are in but will work singly too. We keep meaning do to some SCIENtific timings, but always get distracted by climbing. The batteries are defo expensive.
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Call me a smart alec (or wrong) but this is simply SCIENCE of the GCSE level. Unless the light gets brighter when you insert battery number 2 then they've got to be working in parallel. So, same voltage and current but will last (roughly) twice as long.
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no, it could be draining one battery first, then switching to the other. What is your GCSE in? ;)
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they don't teach you about clever electronic switches and shit at GCHQ level SCIENCE
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yes, I suppose that's not totally unfeasible. As you were 8)
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i how much will you pay me not to tell what your degree is in.oh the embarrassment. :-[
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Stop having a go, start Googling:
UPDATE: 5-27-07 It's arrived and had some use so here's what you want to know that they don't print in the specs:
Cord Length - healthy 7 feet or about 8 feet depending on where you consider it starts (middle of underside)- If you add in the length to the distant outlet you might call it 9 feet as an extension/power strip
Runtime!
1 standard 18V dewalt pack (new) 1 Hour
2 standard 18V dewalt packs (new) 2 Hours, 10 minutes
2 XRP 18V battery packs 2 Hours, 58 minutes
Oh so close to 3 hours!
In all 3 cases, batteries had just finished charging (solid light) and
cord was unplugged. It is more efficient with 2 batteries than just one as the current on each battery is lower and thus it lasts longer. It drains them at the same time and charges them at the same time.
The lamp is just as bright on AC or DC, but starts a little faster on AC - once warmed up it runs the same on AC or DC. It does automatically switch from AC to DC source if you have at least one battery in it - which is really nice when someone on the jobsite unplugs your power cord or turns off the generator while you are using the light. You'll hear it click and the light will flicker to let you know it switched and AC is gone now. That feature alone is worth the difference in a dual charger and the light+dual charger+extension cord/GFCI
Worst case power draw (charging 2 XRP batts + running light) is about 1.5 amps @ 110 volts - the chargers draw much more than the light does. The nameplate specs 13.5 amps - my guess is that is the 1.5 amps for the chargers+light and 12 amps for anything you plug into the 3 outlets (2 on one side, one on the other) to get 13.5. The cord is heavy enough to handle anything on a 15A outlet.
Finally - the charger hold down clamps are not miracle workers - they keep the batteries in the charger most of the time but don't go swinging it into the truck bed or the clamps will release the batteries at the peak of your swing causing the two batteries to become airborne. On the other hand, you can pull a battery out with just one hand. Some might want more spring tension if you carry it around alot - thats personal preference.
Now the remainder of the review you can skip - it's shipping today - it's in stock - rumors of October, June, etc ship dates are not true, price has stabilized - I'd imagine the backlog is fullfilled - go buy it & enjoy it now that it is alive and shipping.
(review continues from amazon's 3rd "do you still want this" email quoting October 2007 ship date)
Now this is the perfect piece if you are a dewalt 18 volt user - charges 2 batteries at the same time, gives you 3 outlets w/ that all important gfci feature, probably has an extension cord but not sure how long - nice cord wrap, and a light that runs on AC or DC batteries. What more could you ask for? Shipping?
I ordered mine March 2 2007 and have responded "YES" keep it comming every time amazon asks if I still want it. I got a date now of Oct 8 2007(aparently firm) - I checked with other suppliers who say "in stock" only to find out it's "temporarily OUT OF STOCK" so amazon is not alone in this problem. That's when I wrote to dewalt on their website and asked them what is going on with the DC022 - great idea - poor dealer support.
If you have one of these, please tell us what date and YEAR you got it. I'd like to meet someone who owns one of these babies. So far it hasn't been seen in a tool store around my house. I saw it at a tradeshow early on.
*IF* dewalt responds to me, I'll follow up with an update here.
**UPDATE**
Dewalt did call me back and explained they have had a very high demand for the DC022. This corresponded well with stores showing it "in stock" saying it was really backordered when I tried to make an order - their inventory system was not as up to date as Amazon's.
Mine was shipped on 5/22/07 (ordered about 2 months ago) - will update when it arrives, but it's looking like the date of "october" we were all given is not comming true as they are ready to ship NOW (today) and not on backorder status any more.
5-24-07
Amazon shipped it 2-day air coast to coast and it arrived today, just in time for some weekend attic work. As for the chargers, they operate independently so when blinking don't expect both LEDs to blink at the same time, one will no doubt be faster. A friend asked about cord length - it's about 7 feet, heavy guage rated for 13.5 amps with a clip to make it stay on the wrap and a strain relief on the back of the DC022 body.
The lamp itself doesn't seem to care if it's running on AC or DC - there's a green LED in the photo I added under user submitted photos that tells you AC is hot if no batteries are charging. Other than that the one switch on the lamp head is all that you get. The lamp starts in two stages.
Everything this does is relay activated. When you plug it in you can hear a relay click setting it up to charge and run on ac. Starting the lamp clicks the start relay for about a second followed by another click as the run relay clicks in. It doesn't matter if you are AC or DC operating, the lamp still has its start/run relay set and operates the same way, comming to full output in 1 second (50% immediately while starting).
One nitpick - if the gfci is blown there is no red flag or lamp to say reset it - the only clue you have is that its plugged in and the green led is dark saying no AC present - hit the reset and things click again.
I bought the 2-pack of XRP batteries with this and plan to use it to wake up the batteries on their first 3 charges/discharges so after that I'll know what to expect in runtime. Dewalt publishes an hour, but does not qualify if that is 1 pack or 2 (likely 1 @ 18v). The runtime I get with 2 new XRP batts should be the best possible, so that's next after charging. Dewalt also doesn't tell you if it drains both batteries together or one at a time - I should be able to tell more later using a battery simulator on it.
One last note - the price dropped 4 bucks after the backlog was cleared so now's the time to buy in and join the first 1700+ owners. It looks like Dewalt delivered to Amazon early on this after some emails. No shipping and no tax means I'm not buying from my local tool dealer for dewalt with Amazon's in stock selection and buying power.
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i how much will you pay me not to tell what your degree is in.oh the embarrassment. :-[
Eye'm takin it you'res aint in english. ;)
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Very subtle Jas, I almost missed it...
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i how much will you pay me not to tell what your degree is in.oh the embarrassment. :-[
Eye'm takin it you'res aint in english. ;)
being born and dragged up in west yorkshire.the queens english ain't my first language.
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Sorry. It was a cheap shot but I couldn't resist. :-[
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i wouldn't worry the cheaper the better.
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There speaks a true Yorkshire upbringing.
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Bit the bullet and got meself a Coleman's Dual Fuel Northstar jobbie. Wasn't cheap but it is bright as fuck and I can recommend this. Lights up the darkest corners of my garden at night without any visibility issues.
Runs off petrol and last ages, about a pound's worth will last you a good 7 hours on the maximum setting (14 on the not so bright setting).
Only downside is it needs pumping every now and again, which is more faff than one of those electric lights. Something to consider... It does however pump out a bit of heat so will be nice to warm up those hands at night if it's freezing.
Will update with experiences in use!
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How straightforward is it to get lit in the first place. I used to have a big paraffin pump up job (20 years ago) and it was a right farce to get get going.
The warmth was nice though (and the gentle hiss, but you might not hear that)
I made a reflector out of a tinned potato tin (bigger than a bean tin) that stopped me shining light into other peoples faces and probably sent more light where it was wanted. Fitted between glass and surrounding wire frame.
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It's pretty straightforward to get it lit. There's a piezo-electric ignition that runs off a single AAA battery. First time I ever tried it wouldn't light up however, and there was a rather worrying petrol mist accummulating in the lantern. Thankfully common sense prevailed and I switched it off and left it for a bit.
After arsing around with it I just got a lighter, lit it and stuck the flame up holes in the base of the lower bit of the globe and it lighted instantly. The holes are actually there for matches if the piezo electric bit fails / battery is dead or you just can't be arsed with it.
A rather large yellow flame comes up and actually spouts outside the top of the lantern through the top cover but this dies down within 20 seconds or so to a bright light. It takes longer the first ever time you use it though.
I have lit it up on other nights after that with the piezo electric element and no trouble with it. It doesn't take long to get going, only 20 seconds or so and it looks kind of cool when it's first starting up. A good time to scare the shit out of others "Run for your life!!!"... ::)
If you wanted to make your own reflector like you say it may prove difficult as the wire frame that comes with it fits quite closely to the lamp. If you google coleman lamp reflector you should easily be able to construct one along similar lines using a tinne potato tin. The lantern puts out a decent amount of light when off the ground (a reflector might help when on the ground).
I'll try to get pics of sessions with it if I can, although I am no photography expert...
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has anyone used one of these http://tiny.cc/lissc (http://tiny.cc/lissc) Coleman lanterns? Are they any good?
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Yeah, I've got a couple of those. Not bad when combined with a couple of head torches. And they're very warm, which can come in handy when its absolutely baltic. Wouldn't be the brightest compared to other stuff on this thread. You've got to be a bit careful with the mantles and the glass surrounds too as they're not the most robust. On the plus side they're quite small and light to carry, which is why I got them. Don't fancy hauling some massive piece of kit all the way up to the boulders in Glendo (yes I'm a lazy git).
They're a good compromise if you've got to do a bit of a walk in. If you're planning on night-sessioning at more easily accessible crags, maybe you might want to think bigger? If you've got the bucks to spare, those Northstar jobbies look the mutt's nuts..
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right!this is the bottem line.if its steep/roof then gas is gona help.anything else consider an electric light.we've found the hope vision 2 or 4 mounted on a camera trip[od to even be sufficient for boulder probs or head point e7,s.combined with the gas this is the ultimate combo.the swinging point is price £170-£300for the hope but guess it depends on ure plastic allerge.hope his helps.may the moon be with you. ;D ;D ;D
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Do they not work for E6 or E8 then or should I just give you this now?
(http://i37.tinypic.com/21ju4d1.jpg)
;)
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:wank:
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Yeah I'd refrained from using that smilie but perhaps it would have been more appropriate. Ta.
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:boohoo: :off:
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:lol:
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thats a negatory good buddy.
one of these. they've stopped making em.
Thats the thing you guys had when I bumped into you last year in Font huh? God I want one of them, you could light up El Cap with it.
These are back in stock now - if I understood correctly they weren't available for a while.
7 left on ebay from the original link - well 6 now cos I just bought one :)
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_tAPUVH8YW7s/SwwQQ0LVZII/AAAAAAAAAIs/aZ-EVeGKYR0/light.jpg)
If only it would stop raining I could have a go with it
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just let me know dude...
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I picked up one of the machine mart yellow monsters in Leeds last weekend.
Also not had a chance to try it yet cos it hasnt stopped raining here for a week. I did however take the opportunity to carry it on the train from Leeds to Inverness via Norwich!
Those dewalt lamps do look good though...
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mad journey mate!!
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First session with the yellow monster this week. Pretty impressed, maybe not quite as bright as I was hoping but it spreads the light over a wide area and the battery seems to last well. Good value I would say at 35 notes.
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We've been using the smaller DC020 modell, which absolutely rule. The same amount of light in smaller package.
Here are some movies where they are used.
Three DC020 (in the climbing part):
Orhem - Pojkarnas Brigad (http://www.vimeo.com/7885850)
Three led sticks VS one DC020:
Ågesta - Dewalt vs Claes Ohlsson (http://www.vimeo.com/6365376)
One DC020 and multiple led sticks:
Ågesta - Två fingrar... (http://www.vimeo.com/6447234)
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Three DC020 (in the climbing part):
Orhem - Pojkarnas Brigad (http://www.vimeo.com/7885850)
That's a quick way of fucking up the rock! Good thing that's not in Britain.
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indeed. twats.
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It might not be the most politically correct way of quickly drying november wet rock.
At least it was quite bright while doing it.
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No. We tend to wait until it's dried naturally. At most, we might use a towel, and a small amount of chalk. Or if you're Pete W, you might also shove some t-shirts in there too.
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It might not be the most politically correct way of quickly drying november wet rock.
At least it was quite bright while doing it.
Jens, is that you? :-\
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Nope.
If it was I would have bolted the problem afterwards and made a poll on 8a asking if it was lifestylish and then become pissed when people didn't agree with my ideas/actions.
And of course, we would have made a new visitor record which I would have pointed out in a news item.
:thumbsup:
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Do you know if you can use any Dewalt battery for the DC022?
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Do you know if you can use any Dewalt battery for the DC022?
I definitely use 12V, 14V and 18V with mine but I think the 24V have a different shaped connection.
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I definitely use 12V, 14V and 18V with mine but I think the 24V have a different shaped connection.
Andy,
Do you get a longer running time with higher voltage batteries?
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The light is noticably brighter with higher voltages, but the important thing to look out for is the Amp Hour (AmpH) rating, this varies in my batteries from 1.2 to 2.6 and will majorly affect their running time, and cost.
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You've just reminded me that I've been meaning to PM you about a problem at Kennelgarth Wall. I'll send that when I get the chance.
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Hi all, Sorry to bump such a old topic but I thought it would be better than starting a new one!
I was pretty much decided on picking up the Coleman northstar petrol lantern after reading this thread when I stumbled on one of the Devalt things for 56 quid here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DEWALT-DC022-AREA-LIGHT-110v-DOUBLE-CHARGER-7-2-18v-/390194580252?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5ad968cb1c (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DEWALT-DC022-AREA-LIGHT-110v-DOUBLE-CHARGER-7-2-18v-/390194580252?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5ad968cb1c)
I already have a 110V transformer so that's no issue.
Do many people on here use these? I'm guessing its not the easiest thing to carry around, and I'm pretty worried about the battery life, especially in the cold. Can you get away with one battery as they are pretty expensive! (Around 50 quid each for the 18V)
Also I've never bouldered at night, Do you manage to go through the winter on dry nights, or does it end up damp and grim. Its a good chunk of money what ever you buy so I want to make sure it will get used!
Thanks for your help,
Andy.
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Hi all, Sorry to bump such a old topic but I thought it would be better than starting a new one!
I was pretty much decided on picking up the Coleman northstar petrol lantern after reading this thread when I stumbled on one of the Devalt things for 56 quid here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DEWALT-DC022-AREA-LIGHT-110v-DOUBLE-CHARGER-7-2-18v-/390194580252?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5ad968cb1c (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DEWALT-DC022-AREA-LIGHT-110v-DOUBLE-CHARGER-7-2-18v-/390194580252?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5ad968cb1c)
I already have a 110V transformer so that's no issue.
Do many people on here use these? I'm guessing its not the easiest thing to carry around, and I'm pretty worried about the battery life, especially in the cold. Can you get away with one battery as they are pretty expensive! (Around 50 quid each for the 18V)
Also I've never bouldered at night, Do you manage to go through the winter on dry nights, or does it end up damp and grim. Its a good chunk of money what ever you buy so I want to make sure it will get used!
Thanks for your help,
Andy.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dewalt-DC020-Area-Fluorescent-Worklight-/180556356059?pt=UK_BOI_Lights_Lighting_ET&hash=item2a09ff59db#ht_600wt_913 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dewalt-DC020-Area-Fluorescent-Worklight-/180556356059?pt=UK_BOI_Lights_Lighting_ET&hash=item2a09ff59db#ht_600wt_913)
i have one of these, is a bit lighter but no charger. if you already have dewalt charger will save you a bit of bulk. battery life fairly poor. you will need a few batteries for a long sesh and turnoff between goes?
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I've got one of those bigdrew - not sure if its the same as yours Ben ?
Very good light - lasts about 50 minutes per battery
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Got the northstar petrol lantern - it was brighter than I expected when I first got it. Haven't put it to use bouldering yet, though that is the intention next week. I don't see it presenting any issues though, and even took it camping in the past. It was great (consider I need to see people to communicate/lipread because of my deafness).
The construction seems pretty rugged too. I've had it in my car boot for some time and it's got thrown about going down the many country lanes, and still works fine, no leaks of petrol either.
You had any personal experience? Maybe hook up with others and check it out (feel free to do so round here in the south lakes, where I am!)
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We generally carry quite a few batteries. I have 6 of various sizes. We regularly use two lights at the same time, and we rarely get through them all, but I think it would be frustrating and hard to concentrate if we had to clock watch all the time. I haven't noticed a massive drop in battery life in the cold.
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I think I'm going to fork out for one of the Devaults. I'd rather have the smaller of the two but it costs 20 quid more and I'd have to buy a changer on top of that!
Andy, did to pick up the various batteries of Ebay? Is there much of a difference in brightness and run time. The 18V 2.6Ah ones seem to be the best available but they cost a chunk!
Others go for half there price...
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Can anyone suggest a good head mounted torch for night bouldering? Are they sufficient on their own or is an extra light source required such as the ones mentioned above?
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Andy, did to pick up the various batteries of Ebay?
Hell no. I don't have that much spare cash.
Andy, Is there much of a difference in brightness and run time. The 18V 2.6Ah ones seem to be the best available but they cost a chunk!
The light is noticably brighter with higher voltages, but the important thing to look out for is the Amp Hour (AmpH) rating, this varies in my batteries from 1.2 to 2.6 and will majorly affect their running time, and cost.
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Just forked out 150 quid for a light and two of the 18v * 2.6Ah batteries from ebay. Can't wait to have a play. Hopefully they will keep me going for a couple of hours at least.
Mind me asking where you got the batteries from. I've spen ages looking around and ebay prices generally seemed the best.
Thanks all.
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with dewalt as far as i know you can buy just the internals of the battery which saves you a few quid. li ion is the only way to go these days though. they last longer charge faster and love the cold.(just dont let them get to hot)
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Just forked out 150 quid for a light and two of the 18v * 2.6Ah batteries from ebay. Can't wait to have a play. Hopefully they will keep me going for a couple of hours at least.
You should comfortably get a couple of hours out of those.
Mind me asking where you got the batteries from. I've spen ages looking around and ebay prices generally seemed the best.
My mate's brother works for DeWalt.
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Sorry to drag this topic up again. I thought i'd better add my tuppence worth as I consulted this a lot when considering buying a lantern. I ended up buying the dewalt DC022 and a couple of batteries (2.6ah 18v) and i can honestly say its brilliant. its easy enough to stuff in a bouldering matt, it'll light to the top of my 3 story terrace house and the light only starts to fade 2 mins before its going to die. its basically meant i can get out on the grit mid week instead of being limited to the plastic.
And don't worry about the price tag because it cost so much i try and use it at every oppertunity!
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I have been thinking about getting a DC022 for a while now so thanks for the knowledge rootask. How much did your batteries set you back and how long do they last?
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They were £95 for two off ebay. you can probably get a better price if you know some tradesmen but my friends are all hairdressers :-* I reckon I get about two and a half hours out of them and thats if I leave the light on constantly. to be honest they've been holding their charge better as i've been using them more so its hard to say.
Get one they're great