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the shizzle => equipment => Topic started by: Drew on July 16, 2009, 03:26:44 pm

Title: Dragon's, but not as you know it!
Post by: Drew on July 16, 2009, 03:26:44 pm: (http://www.dmmclimbing.com/uploads/ray/Dragons_DMM_cams.jpg)

It may be chuffing gear, but it's super sexy, and they look like they're gonna be good! DMM are producing a single stem, twin axle, double dyneema sling camming device, which they've named the Dragon (http://www.dmmclimbing.com/news.asp?nid=216&ngroup=1).
Title: Re: Dragon's, but not as you know it!
Post by: tobym on July 18, 2009, 08:38:21 pm: Nice 8)
Title: Re: Dragon's, but not as you know it!
Post by: Will Hunt on July 19, 2009, 12:33:37 am: I would understand these better if you were to say why they were better than camalots or tech friends.
Title: Re: Dragon's, but not as you know it!
Post by: Drew on July 19, 2009, 12:37:10 am: Quote from: Will Hunt on July 19, 2009, 12:33:37 am
I would understand these better if you were to say why they were better than camalots or tech friends.

Same overall range, better camming angle, and lighter. Happy now?
Title: Re: Dragon's, but not as you know it!
Post by: tobym on July 19, 2009, 09:52:34 pm: Quote from: Drew on July 19, 2009, 12:37:10 am
Quote from: Will Hunt on July 19, 2009, 12:33:37 am
I would understand these better if you were to say why they were better than camalots or tech friends.

Same overall range, better camming angle, and lighter. Happy now?

And Welsh :dance1:
Title: Re: Dragon's, but not as you know it!
Post by: SA Chris on July 20, 2009, 08:42:30 am: Quote from: Drew on July 19, 2009, 12:37:10 am
better camming angle

Better as in wider range, or better as in better holding power?
Title: Re: Dragon's, but not as you know it!
Post by: galpinos on July 20, 2009, 10:01:47 am: Quote from: SA Chris on July 20, 2009, 08:42:30 am
Quote from: Drew on July 19, 2009, 12:37:10 am
better camming angle

Better as in wider range, or better as in better holding power?

Holding power as far as I'm aware. I think the "optimum" for holding is 13.something and camalots are 14 degrees. The new dragons have the 13.something degree camming angle with the wide range of the camalot in a lighter weight package.

Sounds good.
Title: Re: Dragon's, but not as you know it!
Post by: Drew on July 21, 2009, 12:01:06 am: Quote from: galpinos on July 20, 2009, 10:01:47 am
Quote from: SA Chris on July 20, 2009, 08:42:30 am
Quote from: Drew on July 19, 2009, 12:37:10 am
better camming angle

Better as in wider range, or better as in better holding power?

Holding power as far as I'm aware. I think the "optimum" for holding is 13.something and camalots are 14 degrees. The new dragons have the 13.something degree camming angle with the wide range of the camalot in a lighter weight package.

Sounds good.

13.75 degrees, I believe Camalots are about 14.5 (I have heard they're not a constant camming angle,which would be weird if true)
Title: Re: Dragon's, but not as you know it!
Post by: SA Chris on July 21, 2009, 05:59:23 am: 13.75 is the same as WC Friends?

Would be wierd in Ripalots ^tm if cam angle wasn't constant.