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the shizzle => diet, training and injuries => Topic started by: Jim on February 24, 2009, 02:28:48 pm
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Trying to stop the increasing waist line by some sensible eating,
after some recommendations for some quick, easy, low carb, tasty and generally healthy meals that aren't going to bulk me out even more.
For snacks we have toasted wholemeal pitta with homous or tomato/aubergine dip as a good alternative to crisps/choclate/biscuits
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Get down with some chilli action (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,9330.0/all.html) as it increases metabolism through themogenesis (http://www.news-medical.net/?id=40568) (note caveats about quantities though!).
Plain flour tortilla's and some decent salsa, or just some hot salsa/dipping sauce for the pitta breads.
If you can bear them Rice cakes make a very low calorie snack. If you can't, just get the Marmite version and that'll make them just about bearable :P
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I know you don't want to hear this but stop drinking so much beer; completely empty calories. Other changes will be a drop in the ocean compared to what this might do for you.
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I know you don't want to hear this but stop drinking so much beer; completely empty calories. Other changes will be a drop in the ocean compared to what this might do for you.
Paul B speaks sense beast, maybe try eating brown bread, instead of white with a pound of butter on as well.
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I remember reading that Ewan McGregor lost weight for his role in Trainspotting by switching from beer to G&T's.
Some might consider G&T's a bit (http://www.themixingbowl.org/static/img/smilies/gay.gif) but personally I love it, very refreshing, and it gets you quite sozzled, but must be accompanied with a slice (lemon, lime or both when pushing the boat out). Second only to B%C3%A9n%C3%A9dictine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9n%C3%A9dictine) and Tonic on ice.
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Ginger is meant to speed up the metabolism too. Definatly avoid the beer.
My snacks nowadays:
Chopped veg dipped in Hummus/Salsa
Avacado on toast (Sounds weirdo but suprisingly nice) mash a ripe avacado with some fresh lime juice, pinch seasoning then spread on granary bread
Soya Nuts
Baked Aubergine slices with the yoghurt & tahini dressing (in the Ramsay Fast food book)
Tins of Fish
Medjool Dates when i want some something sweet
But avoiding beer may be good idea ;D Mind you, there are some lagers that are better than others. Doesn't Holsten pils have fewer calories as 'all the sugar turns to alcohol'?
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I remember reading that Ewan McGregor lost weight for his role in Trainspotting by switching from beer to G&T's.
Some might consider G&T's a bit (http://www.themixingbowl.org/static/img/smilies/gay.gif) but personally I love it, very refreshing, and it gets you quite sozzled, but must be accompanied with a slice (lemon, lime or both when pushing the boat out). Second only to B%C3%A9n%C3%A9dictine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9n%C3%A9dictine) and Tonic on ice.
Does it not need to be slimline tonic though???
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I remember reading that Ewan McGregor lost weight for his role in Trainspotting by switching from beer to G&T's.
Some might consider G&T's a bit (http://www.themixingbowl.org/static/img/smilies/gay.gif) but personally I love it, very refreshing, and it gets you quite sozzled, but must be accompanied with a slice (lemon, lime or both when pushing the boat out). Second only to B%C3%A9n%C3%A9dictine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9n%C3%A9dictine) and Tonic on ice.
Gin and Tonic is the drink of champs. I always end up moving onto it later in the night, cos I feel a bit bloated after too many beers.(http://www.themixingbowl.org/static/img/smilies/gay.gif)
Try not too eat carbs after 6pm aswell, gives your body time to digest, which is doen't do when your asleep. Make sure you have a big healthy breakfast, this stops snacking in the day. And as I never tire of telling the women at work, who sit around all day eating Weight Watchers spag bol, you only really lose weight when you use more calories than you put in.
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My mate (Dancing John of the bellyflop finish video fame) has lost a shed load of weight doing this (http://www.everydiet.org/diet/neanderthin). While still keeping up a healthy intake of beer.
Lagers, you've been trying this too haven't you?
It makes sense and certainly seems to work.
Gin and Tonic is the drink of champs.
Treble gin and tonic, the drink of kings. Only to be consumed with one's little finger thrust out in a posh manner.
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Gin and Tonic is the drink of champs.
Treble gin and tonic, the drink of kings. Only to be consumed with one's little finger thrust out in a posh manner.
I usually aim for a 50/50 mix myself.
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Make sure you have a big healthy breakfast, this stops snacking in the day.
Does this actually work for you? The bigger the breakfacst I have the earlier I get hungry! I stopped eating porridge for breakfast before work as I always ended up being starving by about half ten!
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porridge works well for me or did.
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I often find I'm not actually hungry but just thirsty and unaware of it. A pint of water normally sorts this.
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I lost 2 stone this year by doing a few things differenty;
Porridge in the morning with maple syrup
Snacking on fruit, but trying to not snack
Not drinking as frequently (was never heavy but 1/2 bottle of wine once or twice a week)
Not eating any carb-centred meals, and if eating dinner after 6 having loads of protein and veg and almost no carb
not eating the bulls*!t sandwiches they sell in hospital/university, buying loads of precooked and cut chicken breat and making my own (with brown bread.. saved a tonne of cash too)
that was pretty much it and it made a monster difference. Feel loads better as well. Previous diet wasn't bad per se just full of carbs and funny portions.
I agree that smaller portions of porridge/breakfast make me hungry earlier. I used to have museli with yoghurt and nuts and all that jazz and was starving at 10.30, a smaller bowl of porridge is sound till about 1 now.
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I often find I'm not actually hungry but just thirsty and unaware of it. A pint of water normally sorts this.
Very good point this, since I stopped drinking as much water, I get a lot more hungry, drinking it whilst eating fills you up more too. Tea is also good for this.
Does this actually work for you? The bigger the breakfacst I have the earlier I get hungry! I stopped eating porridge for breakfast before work as I always ended up being starving by about half ten!
Seems too, I have a big bowl of muesli with nuts, bananas and other schizzle, but my mate swears by porridge, don't oats boost serotonin though?
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I lost 2 stone this year by doing a few things differenty;
Porridge in the morning with maple syrup
Snacking on fruit, but trying to not snack
Not drinking as frequently (was never heavy but 1/2 bottle of wine once or twice a week)
Not eating any carb-centred meals, and if eating dinner after 6 having loads of protein and veg and almost no carb
not eating the bulls*!t sandwiches they sell in hospital/university, buying loads of precooked and cut chicken breat and making my own (with brown bread.. saved a tonne of cash too)
that was pretty much it and it made a monster difference. Feel loads better as well. Previous diet wasn't bad per se just full of carbs and funny portions.
I agree that smaller portions of porridge/breakfast make me hungry earlier. I used to have museli with yoghurt and nuts and all that jazz and was starving at 10.30, a smaller bowl of porridge is sound till about 1 now.
Virtually identical to what my mate has done.
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Soup!
Works really well as a partial appetite suppressant. Keeps the stomach feeling full for a disproportionate length of time (for the amount of food). They can be grim, but a cup-a-soup or equivalent can stave off the pangs for ages. I've been told its essential locker equipment for coppers.. for those need to eat but no time keep you going type moments (e.g. when the doughnut shop is closed). Mind you, theres a massive woman at work who eats nothing but soup so maybee its not doing her much good.
I've also given up bread in the last couple of years and felt much better for it.. no need to have butter in the fridge then! I too snack on pitta's/houmus/salsa....
I find that my weight creeps up gradually over a few months by 1/2 to 1 stone, then I'm ill for a bit and it all drops off!
Or... for improving climbing.. as friend of mine pointed out, why try to loose 1/2 stone in weight, when if you use your feet better (e.g. a dab/smear) you can easily lift 1/2 stone weight from your fingers (not always but he does have a point..)
Failing that, liposuction, diuretics and laxatives. That'll do nicely :)
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I've also given up bread in the last couple of years ..... I too snack on pitta's
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I've also given up bread in the last couple of years ..... I too snack on pitta's
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Pitta's are what is known as unleavend or flatbreads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unleavened_bread), as are roti/chappati/naan/etc. Basically they don't contain yeast to make them rise (although confusingly the Wikipedia article on Pita's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pita) indicates that a small amount of yeast is used traditionally in Greece).
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I've also given up bread in the last couple of years ..... I too snack on pitta's
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Pitta's are what is known as unleavend or flatbreads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unleavened_bread), as are roti/chappati/naan/etc. Basically they don't contain yeast to make them rise (although confusingly the Wikipedia article on Pita's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pita) indicates that a small amount of yeast is used traditionally in Greece).
Thanks Slackers, thats what I meant - given up leavened bread.. I find eating anything like a sandwich makes me full (OK) but then sleepy about 30-60min after then really hungry again 2 hours later. If I have a bowl of salad/cous cous/rice type thing I'm fine... I dont get the same effect from Pittas as I do from normal bread. Its probably just me, but I dont miss bread at all.. In fact lifes quite a bit easier not having to buy fresh bread (ending the disappointment when finding the loaf in the cupboard is stale/mouldy) no butter, no crumbs and no toaster. Maybe I'm just strange!
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OK, heres a food/diet related question...
I enjoy a good curry with fairer half every now and then, and whilst she's more than happy piling on the pounds wading through Nan's and her Chicken TIkka Massala :'( I like to be a bit careful.
So, whats the healthy(er) curry option. I normally stick to a veggy curry of some description - which I normally find better anyway from a good curry house, and something like a saag or bombay aloo, along with some plain rice. Hmm now feeling very hungry writing this! Whats the best curry option?
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Cook your own a curries and don't use Ghee.
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The stone that I've managed to shift in the last 2 months has been mainly due to ditching high carb foods and eating more meat, fish and green veg. It was the legendary Dancing John who inspired me to look into the Paleo/Neanderthal/Caveman diet thing.
I've paid no attention to fat content yet (I really like eating fat). The first 3 days or so of not eating many carbs gave me a little headache, but since then I don't get the strong hunger pangs that I used to get when it was time to eat
Meals have been mostly simple; piece of fish/meat/chicken with loads of veg (not potatoes). I usually cook more than I need so that I have leftovers for snacks and breakfast. Been having things like bacon and eggs, omlettes, leftover steak for breakfast - favourite quick breakfast is 3 slices of salami torn up and dropped in a nonstick frying pan, heated until the fat starts to sizzle out of it then chuck on 2 beaten eggs and cook until, well, cooked. Getting used to lunch without bread has taken some effort, but now I appear to have become a bit intollerant to it. Cans of fish and salad are my default lunch if I haven't prepared owt else. A fish from the chip shop on its own and try to eat as little of the batter as possible was today's treat.
I've been eating more eggs than ever before (12 per week) and am unsure that this is a good thing. A 2 egg omlette with bits of salami or left over meat chucked in along with veg has become a regular meal when I can't be arsed to think of anything else.
I'll post more later
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Whats the best curry option?
For me its been best to have one veg curry (no potatoes) and one meat/chicken and no rice or nan. Leaves me very full and satisfied and sticks to my low carb quest.
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My other curry recommendation is Punjab, Rusholme (http://www.rusholmecurry.co.uk/viewrest.php?id=27) ;)
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Aldi have good (and cheap) frozen chicken breasts, tuna steaks, pieces of salmon and white fish. if I'm still hungry at the end of a meal I cook a piece of one of these (steamed is good) and eat until I'm not hungry - saving the left over bit for the morning/lunch.
Aldi's frikadellen (ready cooked) are great to have in for quick snacks/lunch. They also do some nice pieces of hot smoked salmon with different herbs/spices.
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Aldi have good (and cheap) frozen chicken breasts, tuna steaks, pieces of salmon and white fish. if I'm still hungry at the end of a meal I cook a piece of one of these (steamed is good) and eat until I'm not hungry - saving the left over bit for the morning/lunch.
Aldi's frikadellen (ready cooked) are great to have in for quick snacks/lunch. They also do some nice pieces of hot smoked salmon with different herbs/spices.
Lagers, do you eat until you are full or until you are not hungry any more... going by the latter can be important too.,..
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Try and avoid sauce based curries as much as possible, the sauce is usually heavy in fats (and they are bad fats). Cook using paste or curry powder and use chopped tomatoes or puree watered down as a base.
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I'm still not sure about the whole carb embrago thing - while I have absolutely no background in SCIENCE, I thought that if you stuck the the low-GI carbs in sensible amounts then they were considered OK. A guy I climbed with reckoned that lean meat with low GI carbs and veg was pretty sensible.
I've recently switched to brown rice instead of white, wholemeal pasta etc and it does seem to mean that I last longer between meals.
Back on topic, how about looking at some vegetarian cookbooks? I've got a couple of cracking chickpea / lentil based recipes that are really tasty and healthy as well.
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Some great input here - thanks.
The thing with brown or wholemeal rice/pasta as well is that it tastes a lot better better than white rice/pasta
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The Boss is on the Slimming World diet, the new version. SHe's done really well and lost a stone.
Anyway, you can basically eat as much fruit, veg and meat as you want as long as it isn't deep fried. You're supposed to avoid using oil and shit but the basic idea is sound. No sugary shit/chocolate etc, and limited alcohol. I've cut down from <ahem> beers a day to one, and I've lost 5kg in a month or so. Otherwise I'm doing little different.
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I've just had an amazing homemade thai green curry with rice and in keeping in line with the spirit of the thread, washed it down with vino and 5 pancakes then some cholocate truffles. Score. ;D
On a more sombre note, I have been attempting to improve my daytime diet by large breakfast, a banana mid morning and then a tin of tuna + a couple slices of cheese and more fruit for lunch. Then another larger meal in the evening. (This does usually involve carbs but I don't seem to suffer from a slow metabolism yet!)
I drink a bit too much caffeine at the moment but I am sure this helps speed the metabolism allowing for more carbs to go in without the adverse effects... need some science :shrug:
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I've lost 5kg in a month or so. Otherwise I'm doing little different.
Thought you were looking slim in your St Bees vid. ;)
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Some great input here - thanks.
The thing with brown or wholemeal rice/pasta as well is that it tastes a lot better better than white rice/pasta
Indeed - and I don't think it's *that* bad to eat a balance of them, compared to say all the Atkins shit you hear about, which might make you lose weight but with the compromises of dog-breath, lack of energy and increased cholesterol. Actuallly, hang about, ignore me - that description could be me and I'm not even on the Atkins...
Oh, and if you fancy falling off the wagon, while searching for a recipe I just came across the recipe for 'Mozzarella in carozza' that my old Italian housemate made for us once...safe to say it breaks pretty much every rule that's been laid out in this thread to date.
Nice though...http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/mozzarellaencarozza_89236.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/mozzarellaencarozza_89236.shtml)
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has been mainly due to ditching high carb foods and eating more meat, fish and green veg. It
I can vouch this. I needed to drop some lard accumulated from 6 months on the bench and ditching the starchy carbs (white bread/rice/pasta) and eating more meat was key.
Also I ditched the beer and moved on to the Voddie and Slimline. Doesn't do you any favours asking for this in some of the Aussie pubs i've been in, but the effect on ones lard deposits is worth a few black eyes. ;)
I know the jurys out but I also munch a couple of CLA caps with each meal. I'm not sure about all the fat burning waffle that goes with them but I think (which is very important with any borderline placebo) they can be beneficial in increasing lean muscle.
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I am 17 and I dont have to care about these things. Its great...
Saying that, I do try to eat more fruit and veg and to not eat more than enough to satisfy my hunger. Looking at my father, I may have to prepare well...
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Ditch basmati in favour of large grade bulgur wheat. Wheat itself is also great and about as low GI as it gets, soak it overnight - lightly boil in the morning, rinse it cold and make salads with chopped fresh tomato and fresh red chilli: very filling indeed.
Poach or steam as much as you can tolerate (which makes veg a bore but pimp it w/ stuff like pickled ginger, fresh coriander and a little shoyu soy sauce to keep the interest up). Reduce your salt intake as much as you can w/ out cramping out.
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'Im Indoors always takes the mick out of my books, but a couple are really useful. 'The Food Doctor Everyday Diet' by Ian Marber is excellent, basically it's just replacing starchy carbs with complex carbs (ie veg!), pretty much along the lines of what a lot of people have been saying.
Carol Vorderman's 'Summer Detox' is a bit more involved if you actually follow it - no booze, sugar, meat, dairy, caffeine or processed foods for 2 weeks. Everything is lightly cooked or raw, but you can eat as much as you like. I usually lose quite a lot of weight, and feel great (after the dreadful sugar/ caffeine withdrawal headache at day 2). Disclaimer: last time I tried it, I got pregnant :jaw: That Vorderman has a lot to answer for...
Both books are particularly good for getting ideas for a variety of foods so it doesn't get too boring.
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last time I tried it, I got pregnant
I think I will avoid it then. Men's maternity wear is very unflattering.
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Any diet which requires the person to completely remove a particular food group is bonkers.
A balanced diet with everything in moderation and a good dose of regular and varied exercise should be more than sufficient.
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Any diet which requires the person to completely remove a particular food group is bonkers.
A balanced diet with everything in moderation and a good dose of regular and varied exercise should be more than sufficient.
:agree: how anyone can consider cutting beer and curry out of their diet is beyond my imagination :shrug:
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Just returning to the serotonin-oats hypothesis... where did you hear this, sounds interesting.
I know that cheese is a precursor for serotonin.. tryptamine I think?
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Just consumed a monumental smoothie made on the guild premises. I didn't realise until I started drinking it she had put a shit load of ice cream in it. Smoothie culture is getting a bit like this though isn't it? Put a fuck load of fruit in the mix and then add ground up beefburgers and whatever else you want. Besides, surely smoothies have too much natural sugar in them in the individual portion sizes they seem to come in?
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Just consumed a monumental smoothie made on the guild premises. I didn't realise until I started drinking it she had put a shit load of ice cream in it. Smoothie culture is getting a bit like this though isn't it? Put a fuck load of fruit in the mix and then add ground up beefburgers and whatever else you want. Besides, surely smoothies have too much natural sugar in them in the individual portion sizes they seem to come in?
UoL serve smoothies? I guess the ammount of fruit you need to make a smoothie make them a bad regular choice for almost anyone who eats fruits/veg as part of their normal diet. But seriously, where is this smoothie joint on campus?
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Indeed they do and currently £1.00 for a large one (it's huge!). In the guild main room. Thinking about it, it might have been frozen yoghurt..
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Just returning to the serotonin-oats hypothesis... where did you hear this, sounds interesting.
Google Scholar (http://scholar.google.co.uk/) returns very little on this, but oats were used in a study of serotonin in rats brains as a diet that is poor in tryptophan (the sutdy is from 1977 and the full article is available here (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/119627394/PDFSTART)).
I know that cheese is a precursor for serotonin.. tryptamine I think?
Again Google Scholar (http://scholar.google.co.uk/) is your friend (http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=cheese+serotonin&btnG=Search) (although you will generally find that not all of the papers are accessible, some have restrictions and so forth, but older papers tend to be available, and Google Scholar often lists a site where the paper is hosted by the author(s) if they have stuck a copy up on their web-site).
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carbs in evening myth?
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=42;t=000320;p=0 (http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=42;t=000320;p=0)
Paleo, atkins etc are diets that are "weird" enough to make you put a bit more thought in to what you're eating which can be a good thing (and restrictive enough to mean you probably consume less calories which can also be good).
I don't buy in to the "science" behind paleo that it is better or worse than other diets - i.e. that your body will necessarily run optimally on this combination of foods. I also love carbs!
My take on the matter is that if you are getting adequate (not excessive) nutrients and calories then your diet is probably ok.
Low GI seems a good way of avoiding peaks and troughs of blood sugar (and associative hunger/cravings) - its worth remembering that even high GI carbs can be balanced out when eaten with a protein (or other low gi source) source - so the traditional meat, potatoes 2 veg isn't as rubbish as we might expect given all the hi tech diets we have now.
My other thought is that humans are incredibly adaptive and have survived/evolved to be able to live/eat a lot of places, we have been farming (and eating grains and dairy) for a while now - a diet of seal blubber may not suit you if you live on the med and similarly a diet of olive oil and tomatoes may not be ideal if you live in the arctic.
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Besides, surely smoothies have too much natural sugar in them in the individual portion sizes they seem to come in?
Apparently they do. Massive amounts of sugar, not much roughage.
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Paleo, atkins etc are diets that are "weird" enough to make you put a bit more thought in to what you're eating which can be a good thing (and restrictive enough to mean you probably consume less calories which can also be good).
I'm not so sure, I reckon they are as likely to help form bad eating habits than anything else. And, Atkins specifically, will fuck up your metabolism and stuff (yes, that's a technical term) really badly if you don't stick to it long term. I did it a few times as a quick fix and while it really does shift the weight fast it also means you will pile it back on as soon as you start eating normally again, often faster than you did before.
I've heard really good reports about South Beach and GI diets, they seem to be a lot more balanced than the more extreme carb cutting ones that were popular a few years back.
I know that cheese is a precursor for serotonin.. tryptamine I think?
Cheese makes you happy, that's real SCIENCE. 8)
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mags - i love carbs and couldn't imagine anything worse than an atkins/paleo style diet - think I was just trying to say that, that type of diet does seem to suit some people (and they wax all lyrical bout it).
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i love carbs
This is definitely my biggest dietary problem, though fortunately my speedy metabolism (for the moment) means I don't bulk up much.
Been struggling a bit to eat sensibly while trying to control my spending - most of the cheap delights I've been consuming over the last month or so have involved cheap stodge and a lack of fresh veg (pasta, jacket potatoes, beans on toast, cottage pie etc...), think I need to have a bit of a rethink.
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Don't dismiss good frozen veg - cheap, easy to prepare and often in a better state than some fresh stuff.
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Good point - and frozen peas can double as a handy ice pack for mashed up shoulder / elbow...bonus!
Oh, and here's the link to the low-gi veggie cookbook I borrowed from the library a while back - some good stuff in there: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Low-GI-Vegetarian-Cookbook/dp/0340923113/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235570741&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Low-GI-Vegetarian-Cookbook/dp/0340923113/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235570741&sr=8-1)
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Diets are a waste of time ultimately. All this "paleo" diet shit is rubbish.
In evolutionary terms, humans have evolved just the same as many other animals, in so much as a limiting factor in the survival of an individual (and in turn the expansion of the population) is determined, as Malthus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Malthus) posited and Darwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin) developed, by the availability of resources. Thus, most early humans lived off of what they could scrape together. Yet when there was a glut of food (e.g. a particularly good season which meant there was lots of fruit/veg and with a bit of time lag animals that were hunted), then an evolutionary stable strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionarily_stable_strategy) (coined by Maynard-Smith and developed by many, including John Nash) is to deposit as much fat as possible when there is such a glut, as it benefits the individual when things then get a bit more frugal in winter/next year/a few years down the line.
Switch forward a few milenia and we are now masters of our world and can produce an excess of food. The consequence is that people have a tendency to over-eat, and the direct consequence of this is that the excess calorific intake gets deposited as fat in anticipation of times when there is less food available. But there is no such time, so people keep on over-eating and depositing/retaining the excess as fat.
As stated above its a relatively simple equation of calories in v's calories out. Individuals differ in their basal metabolic rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolism) but once thats accounted for its simply a case of whether you exceed your basal requirements in terms of calories in comparison to your calorific expenditure.
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It may be rubbish from a historical / geographical / anthropological point of view but if it works, it works.
Fortunately I don't have to worry about any of this shit anyway. What food group does the Sainsbury's cherry bakewell fall into as i just ate four of em?
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wabohydrates.
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I've recently been living on Dahls.
Ok, there's a fair bit of oil in them as a base (fry up the spices, garlic and onion to start) but then the rest is just a load of lentils, veg and sometimes fish.
Still quite high carb as I bung a load of potatoes in to many of them - should probably cut this down.
I'm not really losing weight as I'm being a total lazy twat recently (trying to earn cash!) but I do feel a hell of a lot healthier. They are also cheap, filling and very very tasty :)
One thing has always puzzled me about so many people advocating porridge - isn't porridge actually quite high fat for a cereal? I was checking packets and seeing a figure close to 10% fat :-\
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It may be rubbish from a historical / geographical / anthropological point of view but if it works, it works.
I agree if it works it works, but trying to dress things up with pseudo-scientific bullshit justification is just a waste of time. Understand systems for what they are and how they work. I read that "paleo" diet link and thought to myself "what a load of whitewash", in essence what its getting at is true in so much as people of that time had limited resources in terms of food, but it neglected to suggest (and this is where what I'm positing falls down as there is no hard evidence to support it*) that had Paleo/Neolitihic man had access to a glut of food they would have gorged on it for as long as possible and deposited the excess as fat, and that we are lumbered with our evolutionary history and have the same propensity, and that is the crux of the issue.
Ultimately the same end result of the "paleo" diet could be achieved as effectively if you just counted the calories you are taking in against the calories you're expending, as that is all the "diet" is achieving by forcing you to exclude food that has a high-calorific content (or is of such consistency in terms of carbs/protein/fat that your body deposits it as fat over processing it), thus reducing your intake of calories whilst your expenditure remains the same (unless you're exercising above what you would normally do at the same time as being on the diet).
Those lunch-time :beer1: have done me the world of good!
* That said it still seems reasonably valid to me, and there are studies of animals in ecological systems to suggest that when there is a glut of food the individuals (and therefore the populations that they constitute) take advantage of the glut, gorge themselves, reproduce etc. etc. etc.
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mags - i love carbs and couldn't imagine anything worse than an atkins/paleo style diet - think I was just trying to say that, that type of diet does seem to suit some people (and they wax all lyrical bout it).
I think we're probably saying the same thing in a different way ;) I agree the diets can work - for pretty much anyone that can stick to the plan - but I don't think people realise how much of a temporary fix they are, you're screwed once you go back to eating the good stuff again.
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What you're forgetting slackers is how a person's diet affects a their appetite. Obviously in order to lose weight you need to consume less calories than you lose. But there are hard ways and easy ways to reduce the amount you eat.
Think about it; if you ate 1700 calories of junk food a day you would still lose weight if you remained reasonably active, but you'd be starving for most of the time, and more likely to go off the wagon. Eating less processed food and simple carbs allows you to reduce your calorie intake without feeling so hungry, which is why I think that the paleo diet and things like that are so successful.
Like Jasper said: if it works, it works. You can come up with a theory about it later!
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What you're forgetting slackers is how a person's diet affects a their appetite. Obviously in order to lose weight you need to consume less calories than you lose. But there are hard ways and easy ways to reduce the amount you eat.
Think about it; if you ate 1700 calories of junk food a day you would still lose weight if you remained reasonably active, but you'd be starving for most of the time, and more likely to go off the wagon. Eating less processed food and simple carbs allows you to reduce your calorie intake without feeling so hungry, which is why I think that the paleo diet and things like that are so successful.
Like Jasper said: if it works, it works. You can come up with a theory about it later!
Thats the wrong way round. Appetite affects the diet, not vice versa as you're proposing. scrubbed this out as after cogitating on what I wrote below its basically a circular argument, diet/appetite are inextricably linked.
What I think you're getting at is that the stomach is of a finite size, and once full, a "signal" is sent to the brain by the stomach to say "Things are getting pretty cramped in here, best stop shovelling stuff down your gullet"*. Now its clearly obvious that if something that takes up a lot of space but has low calorific content (e.g. cous-cous) is eaten then overall you will feel full with less calorie intake, and you then go about your normal life expending said calories. Contrast this to eating a gorgeous curry cooked in lashings of Ghee and you might feel full at the point at which the same volume of food has been imbibed, but per unit weight you have ingested more calories, and in order to budge them you're going to have to do more activity than you normally would to shift those calories.
This still boils down to calories in/out though. Whether you feel satiated is a separate matter and one that can be addressed by your choice of food type (or pure will-power alone!).
* This is why eating slowly is a good thing, pausing every so often when you're eating and not shoveling food down your neck as quickly as possible in a race to clear your plate first, it allows your body time to realise when its full, and prevents you from over-eating. Yet another symptom of modern society where time is of the essence and things must be rushed.
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I've recently been living on Dahls.
Ok, there's a fair bit of oil in them as a base (fry up the spices, garlic and onion to start) but then the rest is just a load of lentils, veg and sometimes fish.
I hope you've got a strong air freshner inside the cab of your lorry!
;)
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After a while of having the most disgusting arse around, my guts have now settled down and got used to their new farty diet :)
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Whether you feel satiated is a separate matter and one that can be addressed by your choice of food type
...which is exactly what the paleobollox diet does for me
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What I think you're getting at is that the stomach is of a finite size, and once full, a "signal" is sent to the brain by the stomach to say "Things are getting pretty cramped in here, best stop shovelling stuff down your gullet"*.
When I have eaten less for a while on trips or whatever it feels like your stomach shrinks and it doesn't take much to make you feel full.
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Whether you feel satiated is a separate matter and one that can be addressed by your choice of food type
...which is exactly what the paleobollox diet does for me
Exactly, but it doesn't need dressing up under the pretence of some pseudo-science (although I'm probably ignoring the fact that someone is trying to make some money out of selling a book on the subject, so they need to sex it up in some manner to get those people who think gullible has been removed from the dictionary to part with their hard-earned readies).
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When I have eaten less for a while on trips or whatever it feels like your stomach shrinks and it doesn't take much to make you feel full.
Recreational drug use is another way of losing weight but perhaps not the most conducive to a fit and healthy lifestyle.
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When I have eaten less for a while on trips or whatever it feels like your stomach shrinks and it doesn't take much to make you feel full.
Recreational drug use is another way of losing weight but perhaps not the most conducive to a fit and healthy lifestyle.
I wasn't advocating undereating but pointing ouit that the 'finite' size of the stomach that Slack-line referred to can change - or at least it seems to.
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When I have eaten less for a while on trips or whatever it feels like your stomach shrinks and it doesn't take much to make you feel full.
Recreational drug use is another way of losing weight but perhaps not the most conducive to a fit and healthy lifestyle.
I wasn't advocating undereating but pointing ouit that the 'finite' size of the stomach that Slack-line referred to can change - or at least it seems to.
This is why precisely "diets" don't work, but a change in life-style does, as the later induces a long-term change in your physiology/metabolism, whereas a diet is a short-term solution that when finished results in the pounds piling back on as Magpie has pointed out.
That said a theres nothing wrong with a good dose of acid/shrooms every now and again (helps re-affirm your place in the cosmos, man) and they are far more effective when taken on an empty stomach (https://themixingbowl.org/static/img/smilies/acid.gif)
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Fair enough slackers, I thought you were saying the diet was bollocks, not just the theory behind it! That's certainly possible, and it would be good to see more empirical research in nutrition on a par with what's done in medicine. It would also make it harder for people to make money calling themselves nutritionists, despite no qualifications whatsoever...
Sorry, this has been a bit off topic - more of a "are diets effective" thread. My tip is to eat a few portions of oily fish a week, or to take fish oil tablets now and then. Since I started doing this my fingers seem to be much less stiff in the morning after a hard session.
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It was just a lame "trips" gag. :-[
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I can't believe Jim's thread has spawned four pages of sound advice. I can just picture him sprawled on the sofa, chubby fingers scrolling over the trackpad, bottle of real ale clutched in his other hand and face smeared with doughnut grease, thinking 'So I can't just take a pill? Well fuck that Kes.'
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* This is why eating slowly is a good thing, pausing every so often when you're eating and not shoveling food down your neck as quickly as possible in a race to clear your plate first, it allows your body time to realise when its full, and prevents you from over-eating. Yet another symptom of modern society where time is of the essence and things must be rushed.
Eh what? When I shovel my food down it's not because of socio-economic pressures, it's because I'm bloody hungry and my instincts are kicking in.
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* This is why eating slowly is a good thing, pausing every so often when you're eating and not shoveling food down your neck as quickly as possible in a race to clear your plate first, it allows your body time to realise when its full, and prevents you from over-eating. Yet another symptom of modern society where time is of the essence and things must be rushed.
Eh what? When I shovel my food down it's not because of socio-economic pressures, it's because I'm bloody hungry and my instincts are kicking in.
I was referring to a different subset of society, such as these fine young man...
(http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/08/fat_kid.jpg)
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One thing has always puzzled me about so many people advocating porridge - isn't porridge actually quite high fat for a cereal? I was checking packets and seeing a figure close to 10% fat :-\
Can somebody give me the lowdown on porridge then? Is it really that great?
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I know it gives me heartburn, even when it's juust right.
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I imagine Jim on the floor, stuffed to the gunnels w/ rice crackers and rye breads, low fat cheeses, pulses of all kinds, fresh fish; fresh vegetables everywhere, fruit strewn across the deck as if his living room were an orchard... Barrels of organic ale against the wall; and a small child contantly ferrying only the healthiest, low fat snacks to him on a near-constant basis...
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One thing has always puzzled me about so many people advocating porridge - isn't porridge actually quite high fat for a cereal? I was checking packets and seeing a figure close to 10% fat :-\
Can somebody give me the lowdown on porridge then? Is it really that great?
Some info from the British Nutrition Foundation (http://www.nutrition.org.uk/home.asp?siteId=43§ionId=419&parentSection=322&which=) on cereals in general.
Typical contents in 100g of porridge (http://www.fitandtrim.co.uk/calories_porridge.html)
Aunties take seems to be quite positive (http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/mostof_oats.shtml)
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Hmmm looks like I need to find a better source of porridge - they are quoting it at about 2.5% fat.
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I've certainly found that cutting down on the amount of alcoholic beverages consumed has made a big difference. I do feel a little bit empty though of an evening when used to the extra calories. It's certainly help me trim down a bit, but doesn't stop my body from fighting back every couple of weeks by making me buy pork pies and then force-feeding them to me.
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^^ Yeah, I know what you mean, and so far, the only solution I've found is to drink mint tea one after the other non-stop all night.
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It's certainly help me trim down a bit, but doesn't stop my body from fighting back every couple of weeks by making me buy pork pies and then force-feeding them to me.
Aren't you genetically preprogrammed to crave lard / deep fried products at least once a week? Wonder what a deep fried pork pie would be like? (eyes glaze over, stares into distance).
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I can't believe Jim's thread has spawned four pages of sound advice. I can just picture him sprawled on the sofa, chubby fingers scrolling over the trackpad, bottle of real ale clutched in his other hand and face smeared with doughnut grease, thinking 'So I can't just take a pill? Well fuck that Kes.'
that's not far from the truth although I am going to stop eating all the fried breakfasts at work and have wholegrain cereal instead, Also going to cut out all the toast I tend to snack on, especially with the lake of molten butter I like on the top, cut back on spuds and stodgy stuff and just have meat/fish with shit loads of green veg, eat only wholemeal rice and pasta and start eating more fruit.
Also I am going to alternate daily between beer and gin and tonic, this way I should half my beer intake.
Going to the crag yesterday having only had 3 wheatabix for breakfast and not eating all day back fired when I got home, demolished tea in under 3 minutes and then proceeded to heat up the previous nights remains, consume that in super quick time and then spend the rest of the night prowling the cupboards. Also found myself today being starving and consumed an enormous amount of food.
It certainly doesn't help working shifts either.
keen for some tasty low carb recipes:
here's one to get you going, this is very tasty and from one of Jamie Oliver's books:
Jamie's recipe for Sirloin of Beef with Pak Choy, Soy Sauce and Ginger, from his book "Happy Days with the Naked Chef" - Serves 2.
2 x 225gr / 8oz sirloin steaks
sea salt and freshly ground black pepper
2 pak choy or bok choy (even spinach or any other greens will do)
8 tablespoons soy sauce
1/2 a garlic clove, finely grated
1 thumb-sized piece of fresh ginger, peeled and finely grated
1 fresh chilli, de-seeded and finely grated
juice of 1 lime
2 tablespoons olive oil
On a very hot griddle pan, cook your seasoned sirloin steaks until medium or to your liking. Place on a plate and allow to rest for 2 minutes, then cook your greens in salted boiling water until tender. While hot, douse the steaks with the soy sauce, and sprinkle with the garlic, ginger, chilli, lime juice and olive oil. When the greens are cooked, simply divide on to 2 plates, slice up the sirloin steaks, place on top of the greens and drizzle with any of the infused sauce left on the resting plate. A fantastic dish.
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It certainly doesn't help working shifts either.
So true - I eat absolute crap while on nights, but am quite good otherwise.
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I used to eat shit on shifts, but then I made an effort and did myself little boxes of food to take. It just requires some organisation and it's a lot better than a lot of the shit the NHS had to offer up.
Seriously though Jim, alcohol is a big factor in weight. I was super dubious about reducing alcohol- I wondered what I'd do with my evenings instead of chugging 6 pints. Now I'm drinking 1 a day, I've lost weight and gained pounds.
In fact, I've probably lost some of the weight I gained when I quite the fags.
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I am going to stop eating all the fried breakfasts at work and have wholegrain cereal instead, Also going to cut out all the toast I tend to snack on, especially with the lake of molten butter I like on the top, cut back on spuds and stodgy stuff and just have meat/fish with shit loads of green veg, eat only wholemeal rice and pasta and start eating more fruit.
:thumbsup: Hopefully its a long-term change in lifestyle rather than a "diet" (unless of course you are only seeking short-term gains).
Also I am going to alternate daily between beer and gin and tonic, this way I should half my beer intake.
Logical + 8)
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Diets That Reduce Calories Lead to Weight Loss, Regardless of Carbohydrate, Protein or Fat Content (http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/diets-reduce-calories-lead-weight-loss-regardless-carbohydrate-protein-or-fat-content-18959.html)
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Diets That Reduce Calories Lead to Weight Loss, Regardless of Carbohydrate, Protein or Fat Content (http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/diets-reduce-calories-lead-weight-loss-regardless-carbohydrate-protein-or-fat-content-18959.html)
At last some SCIENCE to validate the bleeding obvious.
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wholegrain cereal
As a side note, I have been told that wholegrain cereals, wheatabix, bran flakes etc can harm your lower digestive tract unless you drink at least a pint of water with them. No idea how true this is, but can't do any harm drinkign more water just in case.
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Diets That Reduce Calories Lead to Weight Loss, Regardless of Carbohydrate, Protein or Fat Content (http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/diets-reduce-calories-lead-weight-loss-regardless-carbohydrate-protein-or-fat-content-18959.html)
At last some SCIENCE to validate the bleeding obvious.
They really needed to give some descriptives regarding the weight and BMI of the participants. I suspect that as you approach lower weights (your BMI isn't over 30, or even 25) then protein-carb-fat-fibre makeup becomes more pertinent to weight loss goals. I.e. if you're really overweight, the composition of the diet is less important simply a gross reduction in calorific intake or less saturated fats. I suspect that this study was on overweight-to-obese people simply for funding reasons, you're unlikely to see this kind of long-term clinical trial being carried out on healthy people looking to lose some weight. For the average fit-but-a-bit-overweight climber, I think nutrient makeup is still more important than simply reduction in calorific intake. Although the two usually go hand in hand.
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a collegue of mine went to her g.p. re diet and losing weight.
"doctor i eat lots of fruit and veg and only wholemeal bread,in fact i don't eat anything unhealthy but i'm not losing weight"
"try putting less in your mouth my dear"
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Diets That Reduce Calories Lead to Weight Loss, Regardless of Carbohydrate, Protein or Fat Content (http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/diets-reduce-calories-lead-weight-loss-regardless-carbohydrate-protein-or-fat-content-18959.html)
At last some SCIENCE to validate the bleeding obvious.
They really needed to give some descriptives regarding the weight and BMI of the participants. I suspect that as you approach lower weights (your BMI isn't over 30, or even 25) then protein-carb-fat-fibre makeup becomes more pertinent to weight loss goals. I.e. if you're really overweight, the composition of the diet is less important simply a gross reduction in calorific intake or less saturated fats. I suspect that this study was on overweight-to-obese people simply for funding reasons, you're unlikely to see this kind of long-term clinical trial being carried out on healthy people looking to lose some weight. For the average fit-but-a-bit-overweight climber, I think nutrient makeup is still more important than simply reduction in calorific intake. Although the two usually go hand in hand.
Well, that is just a blog report of a scientific paper and I'd imagine the details are in the paper, I'll see if I can get a copy from the NEJM if you're interested.
BMI isn't a particularly good index of obesity (for starters muscle is heavier than fat). Waist-hip ratio is a stronger indicator, or an electronic measurement of your body-fat composition is ideal. And by focusing on an extreme end of a distribution you over-emphasise the effects, but in theory they should hold true for others on the more frequent range of body morphisms.
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Also I am going to alternate daily between beer and gin and tonic, this way I should half my beer intake.
Now that's a diet.
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Looked at the study and 25% were overweight and 75% obese (defined by BMI). Agreed on the limitations of BMI, mine has been over 30 whilst at under 15% body fat. Still think that the advice of 'just eat less - regardless of composition' is less applicable for people who are approaching normal weight, and even more so for people who excercise frequently.
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A pint of Stella contains 250 calories
A pint of Gunniess contains 210 calories
A pint of Ale contains around 170-200 calories
A single measure (25ml) of gin with normal tonic contains around 120 calories
A single measure (25ml) of gin with slimline tonic contains around 56 calories
You do the math!
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A pint of Stella contains 250 calories
A pint of Gunniess contains 210 calories
A pint of Ale contains around 170-200 calories
A single measure (25ml) of gin with normal tonic contains around 120 calories
A single measure (25ml) of gin with slimline tonic contains around 56 calories
You do the math!
250 > 210 > 170-200 > 120 > 56 :P
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But all the pints are at least twice the booze content of the single gins - so to get as p*ssed (and get the same taste) the normal tonic is one of the worst. Only through the magic of diet tonic can the G&T diet (tm) really deliver results!
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Most of the G&T calories come from the tonic though, so the simple answer is, less tonic more gin, meaning less calories more pissed up. A single measure of gin with a mixer is utterly pointless in every sense.
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Exactly. It's the Drink of Kings you want (see above).
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Single Malts are also a good low calorie option, unfortunately not a very cheap one though.
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i find pernod and pepsi max a good diet drink.alcohol and something to speed up your metabolism.
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i find pernod and pepsi max a good diet drink.alcohol and something to speed up your metabolism.
Why not ditch the Pepsi Max and mix your Pernod with some over-caffeinated sugary drink company from Thailand which contains amphetamines :P
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Single Malts are also a good low calorie option
220 calories per 100ml, and you don't waste any extra calories mixing it. :alky:
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I've lost 7kg in 7 weeks by doing the following:
No booze.
Snacking on nuts seeds and dried fruit. (Don't seem to feel so hungry at lunch and in the evening.)
Healthy lunches (which I did before I suppose. Fairly protein heavy - either tuna or sardines or chicken or tofu or pulses, with sprouting beans, spring onions, baby tomatoes, etc, etc, chillies, olive oil, vinegar or lime juice, etc, etc.
Root veg other than potatoes.
Little or no dairy.
Nothing sweet really, but I didn't do that before either.
And about 7 - 8 hours of cycling a week.
I would probably have achieved the same with no booze and more exercise.
I'm sure you could mix it around a little.
Maybe replace the cycling with masturbation, and swap the boozing for eating.
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And about 7 - 8 hours of cycling a week.
Maybe replace the cycling with masturbation, and swap the boozing for eating.
Do you recommend an additional 7-8 hours a week on top of usual duties? Jesus.
Fairly protein heavy
No shit.
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Well, if you run into problems with skin loss you could always try stacking wanking with a bit of fisting...
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Well, if you run into problems with skin loss you could always try stacking wanking with a bit of fisting...
Always about the fisting with you :lol:
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It's all in the fist...
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This may be the present for the man who has everything...
Kapow Fist (http://youthline.ca/lineart/paige_gratland.htm)
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i find pernod and pepsi max a good diet drink.alcohol and something to speed up your metabolism.
Why not ditch the Pepsi Max and mix your Pernod with some over-caffeinated sugary drink company from Thailand which contains amphetamines :P
i'll nip to the coop in market weighton to get a can then.
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It's all in the fist...
dont you mean "the fist's all in it"?
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i haven't had an alcoholic drink for nearly 3 years and i don't miss it. i feel better for it and i worked out it was pointless really! i don't try preach or tell others not to, but the effects and the general feel good motivation you have is so good.
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Very brave of you coming out the closet like that :)
Good on you though, admirable.
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I don't think that's bravery in action Chris, I went from years 18 to 23 w/ out a drop and after showed a fairly indifferent attitude to our favourite drug. No great shakes. My pot noodle intake during that time was deeply regretable, mind...
:lol:
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( I was implying he was gay)
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I tend to feel really great when I'm having a drink
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I lost 6 lbs in the last week just by buying some new scales..... Would love to put it down to alcohol abstinence though!
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you can lose more weight by not actually standing on the scales.
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I gave up beer once and ended up smoking greenery more, then i gave up smoking completely but ended up drinking more. I am now worried that if i gave both up i would end up getting into fisting, like Yossarian.. :P
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I've lost 7kg in 7 weeks by doing the following:
7kg in 7 weeks is way too fast. Either you're losing lean mass with that or its water weight. I think what a lot of people have missed on this thread is that "weight" is non descript, as a climber you don't want to lose weight you wan't to retain your LBM whilst getting rid of your fat b*stard tyre.
Otherwise just get into fisting like the others on here :shrug:
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oh come on, paul, we know you love it too :spank:
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I dunno. I was under the impression that 2lb a week was about ideal. That's what most bodybuilders seem to try to aim for. Or that's what I was led to believe anyhow. I've probably lost a bit of muscle, but I'm not training anything other than my legs at the moment anyhow, so I'm not really bothered. (I think losing a kilo a week might be a bit fast if you've only got a kilo or two to lose i.e. your good self, whereas those of use who are / were packing a bit more can happily lose it at a more rapid weight.)
What I am concerned about is that my silver Dior trousers no longer fit.
Anyone got any good pie recipes?
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This lot (http://www.pieminister.co.uk/) make an exceedingly fine range.
mmmmmm pieminister...
(http://www.theploughtaunton.co.uk/images/pie.jpg)
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And they have an online shop *drool*
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I gave up booze at 30 im 32 now and lost so much weight (without changing my diet) that im thinner than i was at 19 to 21. Although the fact that I now drink coffee by the bucket load may have contributed to developing some sort of hummingbird metabolism. Ive got to say it was the easiest way ive ever lost weight, cant say giving up the drink was particularly easy though and a new positive outlook on life with increased motivation didnt automatically turn up with it.
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(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2821/510aecbbf65310ee306ab61.jpg)
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what the fuck are you smoking?
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lol, that there is the food of champions my friend... I applaud you.
Have you ever tried deep frying one of those mothers!?
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That pizza burger is so wrong it's right :thumbsup:
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Over my breakfast of yoghurt, fruit and coffee, I quite fancy a slice of that.
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Awesome.
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Gotta hand it to you Houdini, that is the best thing ever.
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Okay, quick serious question.
Generally I am not too fussed about diet, and generally I eat okay apart from a slight penchant for processed pork produce. I kinda understand the basics of meat, fish, cheese, veg, fruit, fat, protein, vitamins etc.
I just want to know a teeny bit about carbs. They are fuel, right? Eat them in various forms and they give you energy to do stuff, eat too many and your body stores them as fat (mmm, fat).
Given an averagely active climber's lifestyle (wall twice a week, trad two days a week, gentle run once/twice a week, swim once/twice a week), what sort of carb intake is good?? And what sort of carbs are best, and when??
Pasta / rice / cereals / bread / etc etc??
Keep it simple for me please :)
Ta.
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Simplistic explanation of Good Carbs. (http://www.goodcarbs.org/#what_are_good_carbs)
The links down the right hand side of that page have some basic, easy to understand stuff too.
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So basically brown/green good, white bad. K. Can do that.
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And tatties, which are brown / white depending on you point of view.
I love a good Venn Diagram
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fruitnveg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fruitnveg.png)
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I love a good Venn Diagram
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fruitnveg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fruitnveg.png)
:lol: Thats hilarious...
You say tomato, I say tomato!
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So basically brown/green good, white bad. K. Can do that.
In simple terms, yes.
The easiest thing is to just swap to wholemeal / brown stuff rather than regular / white in the case of pasta, bread, cereal and don't eat sugary or fatty carbs, like cake and muffins and crisps, all the good shit basically.
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what the fuck are you smoking?
Sorry to burst your bubble Squire, but I don't smoke anything, not even kippers.
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So basically brown/green good, white bad. K. Can do that.
Word - low GI good (slow burn of energy), high GI bad (ride the crazy pancreatic insulin / blood sugar rollercoaster)
Anyway, back OT (and apologies for the LOOK AT ME-ness of this), last night I made a vert tasty veggie curry with...
Red onion
Red pepper
Handful of mushrooms, chopped
Can of chopped toms
Carton of passata
Some rogan josh paste (careful to avoid the oily shit in the jar)
Cubed sweet potato
Can of lentils
Can of borlotti beans
Shazam - very tasty, dead healthy and as a bonus I think the net cost was about £3 and was enough for me, wor lass and some leftover for tea tonight.
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The easiest thing is to just swap to wholemeal / brown stuff rather than regular / white in the case of pasta, bread, cereal and don't eat sugary or fatty carbs, like cake and muffins and crisps, all the good shit basically.
So id the 230g slab of brown cadburys fruit and nut choccy I have consumed today OK then?
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Totally; it's from the brown group rather than white. It has nuts for protein and stuff and fruit, one of your 5 a day.*
*This may not be actual SCIENCE
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Sweet (literally).