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Title: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on January 21, 2009, 01:00:28 pm
I've just read the latest update on the the beastmaker blogspot and it looks like the fingerboard to end all fingerboards is tantalisingly close to production!

Anyone else have their name on the list?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on January 21, 2009, 01:02:18 pm
just a few...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on January 21, 2009, 01:05:30 pm
I'm not talking about "the register"  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on January 21, 2009, 01:11:32 pm
With their influx, I'm expecting market saturation to lead to yet more downgrades. Who cares, if Superman V2 can come to feel 6a, I'm happy.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: carlisle slapper on January 22, 2009, 01:10:29 am
first board was made this evening, pics will be up on the blog tomorrow, would have been up tonight but Ned's obviously too busy filling his head with useless biology facts for his exams.

just a few tiny adjustments (the pockets are 3mm out) and they'll be ready.
could be a good time for Ru and Dan to give an honest review if they feel like it, as they have the 99% finished ones?
Rich & lee you have the model before that doesn't quite have as much rounding on the pockets.
we've shrunk the pockets by 2mm since the last model, and increased rounding to 12mm radius, the monos are even more ergonomic also and the 3 finger pockets on top have 12mm round too.
I.e. its super comfy to do 1 arm pocket repeaters/encores

I'll be contacting people on the back order list personally and giving you a private payment address, some of you will have to wait until we get back from font i'm afraid. The payment info will then be made public/normal web purchase protocol once the back order is clear (this will be towards the end of february).

Thanks for everyones patience at our ineptness with deadlines, i got one rather smarmy email off one person (who clearly doesn't know much about cordiality and preserving their place in a queue) and thats it, can't wait to see a pandemic of Beast-itis hit the UK with avengence, malcs one armer will be a polished warm up  ;) (unless your names Moger and it is already)

Core climbing holds are just getting going too, which is going to be awesome

a very happy
mr V
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: The Sausage on January 22, 2009, 08:20:58 am
Much as I think we should all support the beastmaker boys and part with our hard earned cash, I think the belief that there is some sure fire route to strength and success is completely misguided. The only variables you can control are effort, motivation, planning and effort again. Similarly, if you buy a beastmaker (and if you need a new fingerboard, you should), and do your project, it's down to you, not a piece of wood.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on January 22, 2009, 10:08:53 am
very wise words indeed, for a minute i thought my beastmaker was going to do the climbing for me. dan maybe in the instructions you have a similar worded caveat to what the sausage has pointed out
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on January 22, 2009, 10:28:09 am
So you don't just plug it into a lightning conductor, insert your fingers into the monos, wait for a lightning strike and hey presto beast!?

Mr v, please cancel my order. The name is misleading.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on January 22, 2009, 11:42:33 am
Excellent news Dan  :great:

got one rather smarmy email off one person (who clearly doesn't know much about cordiality and preserving their place in a queue) and thats it,

I'm just re-examining my last email to you and i'm pretty sure my genuine enthusiasm couldn't have been misinterpreted as smarm!  ;) Phew!



Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: carlisle slapper on January 22, 2009, 01:22:08 pm
Joe speaks the truth, stuff doesn't happen by magic and its really easy to plateau when training hard, i wish someone would make a training device where, when stood under it you can see exactly what your bad at and areas of weakness which need addressed, once these are ironed out you then need new goals to prevent stagnation, in climbing finger strength is the foundation of this as it attaches you to the rock.

I wish i could train out all the imbalances in my hand on slopers,pockets & crimps using a campus rung but it takes alot of imagination to do so. Imagination which isn't always there at 5 in the evening before tea time or after a washed out day at the crag.

I don't think anyone on here takes a bit of playful tounge in cheek hyperbole seriously as most people arent completely delusional. What they should take seriously is a scientific method approach to fingerboarding (as anal as you think it may be) which has been delivering consistent results for me for the last 3 years i've been training on my own board, i've gone from barely being able to hang off 1 arm on the jug for repeaters to dragging a 10mm edge on repeaters as the end of my warm up. Next goal is to do it on the small pockets and so on and so on....

there is no "sure fire way to success" but last time i checked Lance Armstrong wasn't riding the tour on a penny farthing, he's got a carbon fibre wind tunnel tested machine with more investment in it than the whole of the history of rock climbing.

ALOT of effort, planning and more effort has gone into the creation of these as i geniunely wanted something better to train on, you don't build a motorised 4 axis CAD CAM machine by accident or with the incentive of a "quick buck" you build it to manipulate a smooth solid medium (wood) into angles that are otherwise impossible to uniformly create with other powertools

Joe's right, but hopefully the above should give an indication of where we're coming from. The buck doesn't stop here either with development...

if your seriously into training you'll need a pulley, counterweights, countdown timers and alot of motivation.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: richdraws on January 22, 2009, 01:36:15 pm
Get some more videos up on your site, with better lighting too and perhaps some oil?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on January 22, 2009, 01:38:19 pm
i wish someone would make a training device where, when stood under it you can see exactly what your bad at and areas of weakness which need addressed

Last night was my first real deadhanging session and the board did just that.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on January 22, 2009, 01:50:31 pm
Bring on the narrow avoidance of finger injuries, I'm fuckin psyched to get hanging.  :bounce:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: mctrials23 on January 22, 2009, 02:52:53 pm
It has been so long since the board was announced that I have convinced myself that when I finally get one it will make me like Malcolm Smith only stronger. I have based my whole training or lack there of recently on the arrival of the beastmaker.

Im slightly worried that im going to have to face up to the fact that im weak and puny and that a fingerboard, however sweet it may be, will not make me a beast.

Hopefully I should be on the shortlist for one of the first ones so will report back on the board as soon as I have had a week or so with it.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: The Sausage on January 23, 2009, 07:41:57 am
I just want to be clear that I am in no way being negative about the beastmaker. I think Dan's achievements prove it's worth. And I'll be buying one at some point I'm sure. I think Fingerboards are the most important training tool for climbers, and obviously having the best one out there is the way to go.

My post came about because we had been talking about the diet industry, and how people shop around for the 'right' diet, i.e. the one where they can eat all they want to, and lose weight. Exactly, it doesn't exist. As Dan says, it can be hard to be imaginative in your training after work, but his is where my point about planning (and goal setting) comes in. Devise your training plan on a sunday morning after some strong coffee. Write it down. Then stick to it on a tusday night, when you're feeling a bit knackered.

Take care out there...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: dave on January 23, 2009, 08:36:26 am
wise words there - i'm looking forward to the deadhanging chapter in your autobiography.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on January 25, 2009, 08:55:57 pm
Ok... I picked my board up this evening and I'm thoroughly impressed:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/beasmaker152.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/beasmaker159.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/beasmaker136.jpg)

I think the pictures speak for themselves really all I will say is; I was impressed with the Moon fingerboard when that came out, this blows it out of the water!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Ru on January 25, 2009, 10:03:03 pm
Awesome, good to see the Beastmakers are being unleashed.

I fully rate mine, but I'm busy getting ready for tomorrow's case so I can't write a full review now, although I have one half finished. I'll post one up as soon as I have a chance.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on January 25, 2009, 10:17:31 pm
Sweet. I can't wait for that special email from Mr. V!!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: north_country_boy on January 26, 2009, 01:52:01 am
Great News for the Masses who weren't lucky enough to get one of the last batch!  :thumbsup:

Had mine for about 3months and have been mightly impressed with it.....I will try post a bit more detail and opinion when I have more time.

However, If anyone is in two minds whether to buy a fingerboard/beastmaker, then believe me Its a  :goodidea: I'd say its made a fairly significant additional contribution to my climbing/training routine

Good work Guys, not sure how its going to effect my ability to hang in a pair of axes next week though!!!??
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on January 26, 2009, 08:05:44 am

I think the pictures speak for themselves really all I will say is; I was impressed with the Moon fingerboard when that came out, this blows it out of the water!

I see the new cameras working pretty well too.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on January 26, 2009, 11:54:49 am
I see the new cameras working pretty well too.

Ah you noticed? I've got a shed load to learn but I like it a lot!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on January 26, 2009, 12:51:26 pm
How hardcore is this fingerboard ? Would you have to be able to, say, one arm deadhang a first joint edge to get anything out of it ?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on January 26, 2009, 12:53:04 pm
No simon it would be fine for you.
Almost everything I've done on it so far has been 2 handed.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Three Nine on January 26, 2009, 01:12:54 pm
How much do they cost?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: richdraws on January 26, 2009, 01:15:43 pm
I have had my Beastfaker for about 6 months or so. I also have a moon finger board and have used a variety of metolius boards.
In comparison to the other boards the beastbaker is miles ahead of the competition.

The selection of holds on the beasthater are all useful and progressive, the slopers are a good example, I am at a stage where I can hang the 35's comfortably for repeaters and this has allowed me to break into holding the 45's. The way the slopers are made allows you to assist by pinching and/or nestling your index fingers. This allows me to get started on the path to properly holding the 45's. Big juggy monos are also brilliant for helping me build up to the shallow monos, the shallow monos are great to use as assistance for one armers!

The crimps are small enough without having the disadvantage of being painful, the moonboard crimps are painful and also conditions dependent, being wood I find no matter how warm or cold the house is I notice no difference (on any of the holds including the slopers). I have made a mess of my hands on the grit over the weekend but know I can get on the beasttamer and not make my fingers worse.

I am moving home soon (I hope) into my first house and I won't feel like I am hanging up an eyesore which is a definite bonus. I have long thought those metolius wooden ones looked great but the holds are wank, you could make a better finger board out of razor blades and egg cartons.

Beastraper fingerboards are the way forward people, get involved.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on January 26, 2009, 01:28:00 pm
How much do they cost?

 :google: (http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/products.htm) <--- Clickety-click

Although thats not overly helpful, but there are contact details on the site so you can ask them, and even order one  :o

EDIT : Price appears to be on the individual page £66 for the 2000 model.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on January 26, 2009, 02:54:33 pm
Gutted. As i'm not a Sheffield resident, i'll have to wait until after Dan gets back from font. I don't suppose there's someone on here i can bribe to pick me one up?!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: marty on January 26, 2009, 10:22:05 pm
 :bounce:

I want one! Please can you put me down on the list, and I will show you the money!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: jordysi on January 28, 2009, 08:56:42 am
shit martin does this mean you are going to train?????? :whistle:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: marty on January 29, 2009, 09:00:32 pm
shit martin does this mean you are going to train?????? :whistle:

I have been beasting since the New Year. Board, Ratho and even some bloody aerobic boll0cks. This week not great 'cos in London, and werks a bit of a mare...... Pick it back up at the weekend.

BTW, the rings in the garage are nails.


Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: marty on February 01, 2009, 02:53:22 pm

Anyone any ideas how I get one of these bad boys? beastmaster.co.uk is a bit light on detail.



Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: reeve on February 01, 2009, 03:51:48 pm
I believe (although could well be wrong), that the beastmaker's are out in Font, which is also alluded to on their blog. Think the mass distribution should commence in a couple of wks.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: mark_mcq on February 09, 2009, 12:37:42 pm
Anybody ever mounted one of these on an angled board? I have a 15 degree campus board and never use rung number 2 much and was thinking of replacing it with a beastmaker...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Krank on February 09, 2009, 01:00:23 pm
The Works Beastmaker is mounted on the campus board, it makes the 45 slopers pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: dave on February 09, 2009, 01:12:56 pm
i recon you're betting off using these things as designed - if you're set on mounting it on a CB then i'd use wooded wedges to mount it vertical, which is what i hear they're gonna do with the works one.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: neil h on February 09, 2009, 01:16:25 pm
ned and dan just delivered mine, we mounted it on a vertical wall, ned recons is too easy and should be at an angle, but would make the 45 slopers a bit hard to hang
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: dobbin on February 10, 2009, 10:00:31 am
Looky here :

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3374/3265525771_3ea8b2948c.jpg?v=0)

Beastmaker now officially the product of choice of Jerry Moffatt!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: webbo on February 13, 2009, 09:20:42 am
can anyone explain what encores are on training stuff.are we talkng french pull ups or lock offs at diffrent angles.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on February 13, 2009, 09:31:42 am
A set of repeaters, i.e. 7 7 second hangs with three seconds rest in between each hang, but each of the hangs is completed at a different lock angle so from the Beastmaker site, the set would be:
Pull on
Grab 1: Full Lock
3 seconds rest
Grab 2: arms nearly straight
3 seconds rest
Grab 3: arms ¾ lock
3 seconds rest
Grab 4: arms ¼ lock
3 seconds rest
Grab 5: arms half lock
3 seconds rest
Grab 6: arms full lock
3 seconds rest
Grab 7: arms nearly straight
collapse on floor holding fingers.

hope this makes sense.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chillax on February 13, 2009, 09:43:45 am
All the info is here, great article.
http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/Grip-article.htm (http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/Grip-article.htm)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: webbo on February 13, 2009, 10:51:59 am
cheers for that stubbs.yes i'd seen that chillax but couldn't work out if you did all the diffrent locks in one rep i.e. a french pull up.so i'm delighted to find out you get 3 secs between reps,nearly enough time to scratch your balls wonderful.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on February 13, 2009, 10:57:04 am
But each rep is only seven seconds - how much rest do you need?   ;)

Although I admit the last seven seconds of a set can seem like several minutes!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: benj_d on February 20, 2009, 10:30:21 pm
Just tried one a Climb Newcastle. It was excellent, I really want to order one now.

The bottom row monos are amazing!!!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: cruisie on February 28, 2009, 03:33:09 pm
just wondering if anyone can tell me when you can order one of these online
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: meatball on March 11, 2009, 08:35:46 am
Hi,

Does anyone have any info regarding the waiting list at present? Tried the email address on the website but had no joy.

Cheers
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Fultonius on March 11, 2009, 09:43:51 am
I got an email back from Dan after a week or so. Waiting list is pretty big and he'll get back to us when they're ready.

Be patient my son. :great:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on March 11, 2009, 11:02:51 am
In the meantime, here's a photo of mine to keep you going!  :thumbsup:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/3334334173_fc1b626501.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: meatball on March 11, 2009, 03:45:30 pm
In the meantime, here's a photo of mine to keep you going!  :thumbsup:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/3334334173_fc1b626501.jpg?v=0)
:furious: >:(

 ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: moose on March 11, 2009, 04:47:06 pm
How's that board suspended?  Is it being hung from a pull-up bar? 
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Drew on March 11, 2009, 04:57:16 pm
How's that board suspended?  Is it being hung from a pull-up bar? 

It's a Beastmaker, ipso facto it's magic. It's actually levitating!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on March 11, 2009, 08:12:58 pm
Yup, it's hung on an £8 argos pull up bar.

Dan and Ned haven't yet finished the machine to build the anti-grav suspensor unit.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: marty on March 12, 2009, 09:35:33 pm
In the meantime, here's a photo of mine to keep you going!  :thumbsup:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/3334334173_fc1b626501.jpg?v=0)

Your just showing off now.  :spank:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: marty on March 12, 2009, 09:37:34 pm
In the meantime, here's a photo of mine to keep you going!  :thumbsup:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/3334334173_fc1b626501.jpg?v=0)

You're just showing off now.  :spank:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dr T on April 07, 2009, 08:36:54 pm
picked up mine last week  ;D
maybe the first one south of the Watford gap
shame I've got a broken knuckle at the moment
 :'(
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: magpie on April 08, 2009, 10:08:43 am
I had a wee feel at one in The Works the other week and was very impressed.  They look and feel great.  :thumbsup:

Sadly, I didn't actually do any fancy training on it due to being inappropriately dressed at the time.  Next time I get my hands on one I will obviously do some serious crushing.   8)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on April 08, 2009, 10:21:06 am
I had a wee feel at one in The Works the other week and was very impressed.  They look and feel great.  :thumbsup:

Sadly, I didn't actually do any fancy training on it due to being inappropriately dressed at the time.  Next time I get my hands on one I will obviously do some serious crushing.   8)

You mean you didn't have your leggings with you?  I thought they were essential and you'd only left your wellies behind?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: magpie on April 08, 2009, 10:26:05 am
It was at night, we'd just popped in for a look, leggings are more day wear.  And I was wearing boots, just not welly boots.  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Mr Cat on April 08, 2009, 11:14:51 am
It was at night, we'd just popped in for a look, leggings are more day wear.  And I was wearing boots, just not welly boots.  ;)

Mmmm...kinky boots..?  :whistle:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Falling Down on April 08, 2009, 10:09:23 pm
So you don't just plug it into a lightning conductor, insert your fingers into the monos, wait for a lightning strike and hey presto beast!?

Err...

(http://gallery.me.com/bentye/100222/L1020057_2/web.jpg?ver=12392247450001)

 :bounce:


Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on April 09, 2009, 08:09:07 am
Calm down magpie.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: magpie on April 09, 2009, 10:10:25 am
 :lol:

Can you see me? *looks around suspiciously*
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Jaspersharpe on April 09, 2009, 11:02:52 am
Having used the one at The Works to warm up on a few times I must say that I agree with what everyone else is saying. The major plus with these boards is that they are so untweaky. Every hold feels as if you can pull as hard as you like on it without risking something snapping (unless your name is Paul B). The Beastmaker is a lovely piece of design and workmanship.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Three Nine on April 09, 2009, 01:56:17 pm
mine arrived in the post today! ace!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on April 09, 2009, 03:08:30 pm
Having used the one at The Works to warm up on a few times I must say that I agree with what everyone else is saying. The major plus with these boards is that they are so untweaky. Every hold feels as if you can pull as hard as you like on it without risking something snapping (unless your name is Paul B). The Beastmaker is a lovely piece of design and workmanship.

I wish I had the one with 'jugs', at least then I could use it whilst injured instead of it taunting me every time I walk past for a piss. Dan heard of my injury and immediately suggested I train Front 2, physio reckoned this wasn't a good idea.
Physio --- :devangel: --- Dan
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: benj_d on April 10, 2009, 11:44:52 pm
Major bragging about to happen........

I just got my Beastmaker for £48!!

I had one kept back at Climb Newcastle and they were selling them for £60 (which is great as it is). This week though, they had 20% of training stuff and other accessories!

I even said they didnt have to give me 20% off, but they did!  ;D
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on April 11, 2009, 07:41:04 pm
does your physio climb 8b and above? i think you should seriously start looking at another sport paul. maybe cultivating bonsai? watch those heavy scissors tho
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on April 12, 2009, 05:32:19 pm
Lee, I'm sick of wadding you you funny bastard. Please will you and Crouch combine your acerbic wittiness ' and make something useful out of it like a comedy?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: marty on April 19, 2009, 09:57:43 pm
Beastmaker turned up yesterday   - the slopers are sick!

Now those pockets - front two, middle two, back two you say???  :jaw:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomrix on April 21, 2009, 09:40:46 am
Marty, when did you order your beastmaker?

I ordered mine towards the end of March and was wondering how close they are to shipping mine.

Cheers
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: miki on April 21, 2009, 05:55:45 pm
In the meantime, here's a photo of mine to keep you going!  :thumbsup:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/3334334173_fc1b626501.jpg?v=0)

how stable is this solution with the pull up bar?
any tips to do a setup like this?
thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: marty on April 21, 2009, 07:45:35 pm
Marty, when did you order your beastmaker?

I ordered mine towards the end of March and was wondering how close they are to shipping mine.

Cheers

Originally contacted Dan mid-Feb, so you shouldn't be too far behind. Have you emailed Dan recently? He's pretty good at getting back.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomrix on April 21, 2009, 09:00:06 pm
Cheers Marty,
                   i will drop him an email tomorrow.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: meatball on April 22, 2009, 08:50:44 am
After sending Dan an email a while back, i got a reply last night. Just payed that man his £££. Roll on beastmaker  :bounce:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomrix on April 22, 2009, 10:40:17 am
Arrived at work this morning to the same email! ££££ paid and beastmaker on its way!!!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on April 25, 2009, 03:05:57 pm
Good shit guys. Had first sesh on it last night and wasn't dissapointed. Looking forward to the 3000 edition coming out so I can take that leap to 8c. Seem to be pleatueing on 8b with the 2000 ;)

Also, I got on ok with the 45 degree slopes but heard rumours that keith did a double from middle two slopey pockets to the 45's! Can anyone confirm this disgusting rumour?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: benj_d on April 25, 2009, 03:57:11 pm
Quote from: beastmaker blog

So far, Ru Davies has 1 armed the small pockets on the bottom rung, effort Ru!
Lots of people have 1 armed the bottom rung as a drag or crimp.
Ned's mate Rich has 1 armed the 1 pad mono on the bottom rung! BEAST!
and Keith has transferred from the slopey pockets to the 45degree slopers and held the swing, no tricks, its just brick. Effort Bradbury!
the 35degree sloper has been 1 armed a fair bit too.
(i'll be creating a far better records page in coming weeks which people can upload record claims themselves)

Is that confirmation?

I would be a cheap skate and not bother buying a 3000 (not that i'll be climbing hard enough for it). Just sand the holds on your 2000 series
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on April 25, 2009, 05:25:09 pm
Curiosity  got the better of me and had to text for confirmation. Yes it's all true how dismaying  :'(

Ben, I think my sarcasm for needing the next edition has been misconstrued! Nice one on post though.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: lagerstarfish on April 25, 2009, 07:22:05 pm
Beastmaker 2000 is the new Powerball (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,7489.0.html)

Lets see what that Akis can do on a BM2K. Where does your "spearfishing" get you now, fatso?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: benj_d on April 25, 2009, 10:05:26 pm
silly me, i completely missed your sarcasm.. hehe..

I have had my beastmaker for about two weeks now but it isnt mounted..

Here is one of the awful problems of being young (now i am using sarcasm).. I have a deal with my mother that if I can keep my bedroom very tidy then i can mount it to a powerbar (see the campus board thread for that) and use it in my room, instead of mounting it above the garage doorway into the brick where my old fingerboard was.

So far I have amazed myself at how tidy my room is!  :thumbsup: But I have been fully bribed yet...  :(
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomrix on April 27, 2009, 10:00:20 am
Mine arrived this morning!!!!!  :thumbsup: But can't play until i get home from work! :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomrix on April 27, 2009, 01:25:37 pm
Secondly is mine the first beastmaker to wing it's way to the deepest darkest depths of East Anglia?!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: village idiot on April 27, 2009, 04:27:17 pm
Quote
Secondly is mine the first beastmaker to wing it's way to the deepest darkest depths of East Anglia?!

Afraid not, one as been nestling in sunny southend-on-sea for the last couple of months!!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: mctrials23 on April 28, 2009, 04:04:42 pm
Had one in norwich for the last few months too.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Adam Lincoln on May 04, 2009, 09:49:17 pm
One Beastmaker now fully installed in Preston!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on May 04, 2009, 10:04:09 pm
adam are you aware that a 12 year old girl received 70% burns from a sunbed?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Adam Lincoln on May 04, 2009, 10:06:29 pm
adam are you aware that a 12 year old girl received 70% burns from a sunbed?

Mines spray on so it fine  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: carlisle slapper on May 06, 2009, 01:36:22 pm
What is the general consensus from people who have 2000series these then?

I.E. is everyone with a 2000series on here happy with them/ getting sufficient use out of them?

any decent critical feedback positive or negative will be much appreciated,

I.E have they warped at all? (we thicknessed the back to try and negate this as much as possible)

Are the top crimpy slots too big/ out of sync with the board grade?

has anyone used the 1000series prototype at the works and found it too be good/ crap? is it a good transition into the 2000?

Crucially has anyone actually got any stronger/ noticed gains? (or is mine and Ned's board just magic)


also if anyone has any questions about how to get the most use out of their boards i'll try and answer them as best as possible

If anyone has problems mounting them (ooh suit you sir) i'll write an article with all the different ways you can mount your beastmaker (ooh matron)


I have Pm'ed Bubba with a bribe as i'd rather not SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, its just this is probably the best place to gather thoughts on the boards.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dr T on May 06, 2009, 01:41:40 pm
have had mine for over a month now and can catagorially say I have experienced no strength change..
my not using it due to having a broken finger might have something to do with it...  :'(
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on May 06, 2009, 01:45:00 pm
What is the general consensus from people who have 2000series these then?

I.E. is everyone with a 2000series on here happy with them/ getting sufficient use out of them?

any decent critical feedback positive or negative will be much appreciated,

I.E have they warped at all? (we thicknessed the back to try and negate this as much as possible)

Are the top crimpy slots too big/ out of sync with the board grade?

has anyone used the 1000series prototype at the works and found it too be good/ crap? is it a good transition into the 2000?

Crucially has anyone actually got any stronger/ noticed gains? (or is mine and Ned's board just magic)


also if anyone has any questions about how to get the most use out of their boards i'll try and answer them as best as possible

If anyone has problems mounting them (ooh suit you sir) i'll write an article with all the different ways you can mount your beastmaker (ooh matron)


I have Pm'ed Bubba with a bribe as i'd rather not SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, its just this is probably the best place to gather thoughts on the boards.


The only thing I'll say, which I'm sure you're already aware is that when mounted at home they're very tricky to warm up for. I don't think there's anything you can do about it specifically but I do wonder if a 1000 would make it easier, for myself at least.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on May 06, 2009, 02:13:30 pm
I agree with Paul, but i thought it was just me being weak!

I'm right at the bottom end of the grade level for the 2000 and so I'm getting very little use out of the bottom rung.

I'm only concentrating on repeaters and dead hangs for front 3, front 2 and middle 2 so far, but I'm finding I can now stick holds I struggled with 2 months ago.

I feel like there's loads more I can get out of the beasmaker once I start to use more of the holds, but a gradual, progressive approach will probably serve me better from an injury avoidance point of view.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on May 06, 2009, 02:17:10 pm
forgot to mention that while I was using it, improvement on Back 2 and Mid 2 was very rapid. I went from barely being able to hang on my back 2 on the biggest slots to just about managing a full set of repeaters in about 4 weeks.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Jaspersharpe on May 06, 2009, 02:22:20 pm
forgot to mention that while I was using it, improvement on Back 2 and Mid 2 was very rapid. I went from barely being able to hang on my back 2 on the biggest slots to just about managing a full set of repeaters in about 4 weeks.

How long after this did your hand go into meltdown?  :-\

Funny you should mention the warming up thing as I've only used the one at The Works to warm up on and found it to be really good for this purpose. Odd.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on May 06, 2009, 02:29:36 pm
It wasnt caused by the BM directly I simply thought I had gained some open handing strength, which of course I have, just not enough to drag the holds on Powerhumps it would seem. Well enough to do that once but no more. Another period of fingerboarding and this injury could no doubt have been avoided.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomrix on May 06, 2009, 02:30:08 pm
Got mine last Monday (thanks) and have used it a few times. Although i may be imagining it because i doubt i have made significant strength gains in such a short period but it feels like i can use the holds more comfortably specifically the 35 degree slopers.

The wood and design is a god send as well. Extremely skin friendly which is ideal for my terrible skin, i can at last have a good session  with no skin related ill effects!

I definitely agree with Paul B. If you have the 2000 as a standalone training tool there isn't much on the board to warm up on. Luckily i have a woodie in my garage so i mince around on big jugs :P before hitting the beastmaker!!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: carlisle slapper on May 06, 2009, 03:18:04 pm
Cool, any other thoughts?

Warm ups:
The best way to warm up on it is to get an old chair and put it roughly2-3feet behind the board and stick a leg on it for your first hangs (with your other leg guarding against un expected pings (if you only have 1 leg this may be difficult, and a hard decision between warming up well or falling on your back might have to be made)),

I go 20 degree sloper, sets to: 1 hand jug 1 hand big slots , to dragging the slots, then crimping them, after a bit of a rest and shake of the arms i then move on to pockets front, middle, back, and then onto the 35 degree slopers.

I then sack the session off if i feel bad on these after a few reps. Or get crushing if it feels like i just about only need one arm (personal reference only)

I'd agree if your only using 50% of the board in general sessions it'll be harder to warm up on, so the chair/pulley/bungee option would help with this best.
I generally allow 30minutes to get fully warm and recruited/ to expect some power to start arriving in my arms, before that i'm quite patient.

Ideally the adaptions on the board should directly translate to holds strength outdoors if the holds replicate similar hand positions to what has been trained. If this is not occuring look at your most common grip positions outdoors, reduce them down and see where the power is coming from (quick test is to stand on some scales and see how much weight diff grips can take on 1 arm)
I intend to pikey a good greys anatomy diagram and explain where the power from each grip comes from (whilst consulting a specialist of course), but basically the different grips train different sections of the flexor digitorum, with crimping mainly being digitorum sublimis and open handing being digitorum profundus, (http://www.ganfyd.org/index.php?title=Flexor_digitorum_superficialis (http://www.ganfyd.org/index.php?title=Flexor_digitorum_superficialis)) more on this later (on the beastmaker site) and when i've actually found some papers outlining the differences (my initial research hasn't yielded much new info)

Initial gains should be fast due to nerve adaption (Horst,2003; will get my other/ better references when i get them off my other PC) however (from memory) this is a riskier period as the rest of the body takes time to adapt, (blood flow to tendon sheaths etc) I.E its better to cement a gain for a few weeks to allow for adaption than to try and push onto the harder grips. i learn't this myself the hard way when i tried to back to the slopey pockets twice in a row, i'm now only just getting onto the bottom normal pockets again for 1 or 2 hangs before jumping back onto the bigger pockets (4 months on)


Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dirty Lion on May 06, 2009, 03:38:37 pm
Noticed improvement in open hand strength quite quickly doing three/front two finger drags on the 35 slopers, doing repeaters with this is one of the best exercises on the board imo.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: stom on May 06, 2009, 03:41:27 pm
Been Using the works board twice a week for the last 3 weeks whilst I've been nursing an A2 injury better.  Defiantly seen some gains as I've gone from being only just able to hang the 45's with nestle to being able to do full 2 sets of 7x3 repeaters with a nestle.  Also mid 2 strength has improved as I've gone from using normal pockets in the middle to using 1 pad pockets on the bottom again for 2x 7x3 sets.  Seen smaller gains on front 2 and back 2 also.  Going to continue using the board for 1 more week then allow 3 weeks for adaption before prioritising again.

I should add that the boards are amazing!  Really comfy holds that dont damage your skin and well thougt out in terms of hold placement.  Any tips on transfering to hanging the 45's without a nestle would be much appreciated!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: giandaniele on May 06, 2009, 04:22:32 pm
Been Using the 2000 board 4 times a week since 5 week.
First 3 week essentially doing repetears (5 sec up - 10 sec down, 2 minute rest , 5 minutes rest x 2) on 7 different kind of prehension.
Following 2 weeks doing deadhangs on the same prehension (35 degree slopers, back 2, font 2, mid 2, index mono, pinky mono, middle mono).
Feeling strong especially on mono's.
No classical skin issues experienced with other commercial boards whit this kind of overload.
In my opinion the best board ever tried
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: carlisle slapper on May 06, 2009, 05:19:23 pm
@ Stom For transitioning onto pure 45 repeaters, use 2 thumbs rather than nestle, then 1 thumb, then things should start happening.

@Gianluca, glad to see your board arrived ok  :) , i'll put your comments next to the other 9a climbers and world cup winners who have said similar, (Malc, Jerome, Earl)

also i take it you have been doing  5 sec up and 10 down on the various monos? have you tried repeaters (7 seconds hang, 3 seconds rest, 6/7 repetitions?)
if so which do you prefer? From the looks of it 5up-10down could be a good way of progressing onto full repeaters on index/ pinky monos for me, as currently i need weight off on the 1 pad ones to complete a set of repeaters.

cheers for the feedback this is helping quite a bit, and it isn't purely a back slapping exercise.

Unfortunately we can't do much about production capacity until mid-late June (approx 30 boards a week) as we are unwilling to compromise on quality, also it'd be hard to work Dave at slave labour rates, seeing as though he flashed captains of crush No2 and can pick up a 8X4 foot sheet of 1inch thick ply by pinching it in one hand (try it) I'd rather he had time to chill out, make the odd brew and enjoy his job.

Also the wood is FSC approved/ sourced (i checked up on this, hence the logo appearing on the site)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on May 06, 2009, 07:17:52 pm
Word been using mine regularly since I got it (was that January?), noticed a serious improvement in open hand and pocket strength thanks to following the 3.2.1 action.  Gone from struggling to do a set of repeaters open handing the big rail to being able to do half a set three finger dragging the bottom rungs.  have been taking it pretty easy on the pockets (staying on the middle row)  as I'm a porker and am terrified of tweaking a long tendon.

Not had any trouble warming up, normally do some theraband, some press ups and then follow a similar series to what Dan said above.

For some reason I really struggle with the slopers - I thought I was OK on slopers, but I struggle to hold the 35's for more than a couple of seconds... i think I need to try another board to see if the Black Mouth is just particularly slick.   

Overall an excellent product - I find it quite inspiring to have the whole bottom row of pockets to work towards still.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: joeb on May 06, 2009, 08:03:34 pm
have had around 5 weeks training on mine, which is mounted in my car port, and it hasn't warped which i was a little wary of as it is fairly open to the elements (obviously it stays dry) but not as dry as indoors. Has really opened my eyes up to my weakest grip types. very skin and tendon friendly love it.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chicane on May 06, 2009, 08:35:29 pm

My Beastmaker has replaced a random mix of resin holds above my door frame and its great to be able to train without wreaking my skin. Also most of the holds are pretty hard for me so lots to work on....great product

believe the hype.....
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: GCW on May 07, 2009, 08:09:39 am
crimping mainly being digitorum sublimis
open handing being digitorum profundus

I would make the comment that this is an old school view which takes little or no account of the flexor chiasm, and its poorly understood function.  Whilst what you say is likely to have truth to it, I don't think it's as cut and dried as some people would have you believe.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 07, 2009, 09:31:17 am
What this thread needs is more SCIENCE.

"The FDP-to-FDS tendon-force ratio was 1.75:1 in the crimp grip and 0.88:1 in the slope
grip. This result showed that the FDP was the prime finger flexor in the crimp grip,whereas the tendon tensions were equally
distributed between the FDP and FDS tendons in the slope grip."


From "Estimation of finger muscle tendon tensions and pulley forces during
specific sport-climbing grip techniques"
Laurent Vigourouxa,Franck Quainea,Annick Labarre-Vilab,Franc-ois Moutetc  2005
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Richie Crouch on May 07, 2009, 10:27:30 am
With my past history of tweaky fingers I have been slowly breaking in to more difficult feats/training over the last few weeks. I set up my board in the wall I work at to ensure I can warm up fully for it so there is no excuse for not being prepared!

Found the 35's tricky to hang on at first but can now do full repeater sets on them dragging on the lip with front 3 and can almost 1 arm deadhang for more than a couple seconds. Finding the 45's nails still - as in I can't do more than a second! (might need to ask Jennings if he had anything to do with this  :please: ;)) Maybe it is the air temperature/humidity in the wall as it is in a loft with closed skylights and all the heat is rising up there?

I find the thin monos a lot easier to do repeaters on than the deep ones as my knuckles get in the way on the larger ones? Don't know if anyone else found this to be an issue... I find I have to really wrap my thumb around every other digit in a strange way to avoid my fingers resting on the board.

Went from struggling to 1 arm deadhang on the normal slots to doing almost 10 seconds on each arm after 4 weeks (no thumbs pressing against the board). I think this was more a case of discovering how to balance and not twist off them, than gains in fingerstrength.

Was struggling to 1 arm deadhang the incut rung in the middle on week 1 but can now 1 arm deadhang for a few seconds and do a 1 armer on the right arm when going well. Left arm is nowhere near though!

Can use the slopey pockets on front and mid 2 but am yet to complete the full set of repeaters. Tried to hang them with back 2 but got shut down. Something to aspire to in the future  :thumbsup:

It's by far the best board I've trained on in terms of having a good range of holds and being super skin and joint friendly and I'm enjoying the progress on all fronts, just hope i can put it into play outside on the lime this year  :-\
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: GCW on May 07, 2009, 12:05:02 pm
The FDP-to-FDS tendon-force ratio was 1.75:1 in the crimp grip and 0.88:1 in the slope grip.

I think (for me especially) the most interesting part was:
Quote
The forces acting on the pulleys were 36 times lower for A2 in the slope grip than in the crimp grip
.


Other studies have shown no difference in power of 4 finger voluntary contraction between crimp and open (check out a few of L Vigouroux's stuff).  Therefore FDS+FDP function must remain equal (suggested to be around 420N).  So in crimp we assume FDS provides 152N and FDP 268N.  In open hand FDS gives 223N and FDP 197N.  Which supports the argument for varying grips when training.

The function of the chiasm (in part) is that FDS locks onto FDP during contraction, to form more of a single function unit.  You could argue that in the crimp, FDP is providing a higher proportion of force because FDS is acting more efficiently by locking the flexor units.  This is of course totally ignoring the fact that the intrinsics will also have input in flexion in the crimp.  You would expect FDP:FDS function to equalise in open handing as the need for chiasmatic and intrinsic function is lessened.

Really what we need is dynamic magic angle MR to see exactly what goes on in a non-static rig.  It's important to know where in the system the force is going to have a better understanding of this.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: mctrials23 on May 07, 2009, 01:25:48 pm
I have had mine a few months now and I love the thing. Really kind on the skin and good friction for the most part. It has improved my fingers a fair bit, especially since I have been training all the different groups.

One of the biggest gains I found was in using the 2 finger pockets. On my old moon board I used to train middle 2 and middle 3. Since getting the beastmaker I have started to train front, back and middle 2 and have seen some impressive improvements as a result.

I am at the lower end of the grade scale for the 2000 series but find that the only holds I cant handle are the slopey pockets on the bottom rail, the shallow monos on the bottom and the 45 degree slopers.

Are there any tips for the 45's because I find the 35's fine, I can hang them for a good long time before my strength gives out. The 45's however just feel like I am slipping off them. Any tips would be much appreciated.

All in all though this is deffo the best training tool I have bought. Cheers guys.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: nik at work on May 07, 2009, 01:31:12 pm
I've only briefly played on the works one and it felt luverleeeeee.

Out of curiosity though when people are saying then can hang or not hang the 45's, 35's, back 2 pockets etc etc etc are they talking one or two handed (i'm assuming one?)? Sorry for off topic-ness, but it would be nice to know everybody is talking about the same thing (i.e. one or two hands) and to know what that thing is.

Anyway I didn't notice any specific strength gains but then 10 minutes messing about is unlikely to yield much noticeable improvement...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: richdraws on May 07, 2009, 02:29:17 pm
Last year in October I was attempting to deadhang the incut rung (drag grip), I found I could get a few seconds out of my right hand and barely a second from my left. I went to font for 2 weeks came back and tried it (with a slight finger injury) and managed 10 seconds and could have got mebbe 2 more seconds on my left my previous 1 second increased to around 8 seconds.

Which is great but I have not managed to repeat it since.

Other than that one odd discrepancy I have been showing slow steady improvements on all the grips. I had the board set so it was slightly overhanging at first (accidently), but I took advantage of this to hammer the 35's and now I have it so it is very slightly tilted backwards. This made the 45's possible to hang without tricks [other than the few degrees cheat:)] for around 8 seconds. I am still shit at crimping but improving month after month.

I like the very slight sloper in the middle on top - its handy for single arm hangs. The big slots I find useful for warming up to crimping/open crimping as my fingers hate those positions.

Dan, have you looked into any method of incorporating pinches into the board design?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: benj_d on May 07, 2009, 02:39:43 pm
I will try and upload some pictures of mine tonight, I used Lagers design of attaching a fingerboard to a 'Powerbar' pull up bar. I am quite proud of it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on May 07, 2009, 03:50:36 pm
Nik I was talking about two hands, don't know about everybody else! the only holds I can use one armed are the big central jug and the incut rail.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: richdraws on May 07, 2009, 04:19:04 pm
Oh yeah, definitely one handed on those 45's.  8)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: carlisle slapper on May 07, 2009, 04:45:27 pm
What this thread needs is more SCIENCE, what top end climbing training needs is more science.

I hadn't read that study, infact this is only something i have begun to think about as a way of training recently, rather than it being the result of training.
 I've been trying for ages to find one into passive recruitment and the different areas of FDS & FDP which contract when using pockets/monos e.g. when you use a mono what is the max amount of muscle you can recruit? actively along the main tendon, as well as passively through the other tendons.

any thoughts Serpico GCW?

Mr Crouch, i'm gutted to hear that your knuckles touch on the monos as we designed the board with clearance, has anyone else had this problem? the problem should be less if you drop your fingers out the mono a bit (i know its worse but hey ho).
It was only Dolph's board which recieved the "special treatment" on the sanding front, It seems that weight/ muscle size has a big affect on hanging the 45s, i.e. they are easy when you can recruit alot of muscle to crush the flatness out of them, slightly sweaty hands help with the friction (i struggle with dry hands alot).

Hopefully Ru will turn up in a bit, as he's had a board for the longest just about, i think it's taken him a while to hang the 45s properly, but he can crush the pockets etc.

Richdraws- yes and yes, pinches correspond highly with the sloper strength too,
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: GCW on May 07, 2009, 05:26:33 pm
when you use a mono what is the max amount of muscle you can recruit

Honest answer?  Dunno.
Chao did research in 1976 (not on climbing I admit) which demonstrated the complexity of finger flexion.  They showed that power grip (making a fist) and pinch grips can be shown to involve the intrinsics, which give over 50% of power of the grips.  Now I admit it isn't directly comparable to your question, but intrinsic function must play a role.

Anyone got a few quid spare for some research?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: benj_d on May 07, 2009, 06:08:13 pm
Here we go!
(http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss229/ben__dawson/Beastmaker/P5020004.jpg)

(http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss229/ben__dawson/Beastmaker/P5020005.jpg)

(http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss229/ben__dawson/Beastmaker/P5020006.jpg)

(http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss229/ben__dawson/Beastmaker/P5020007.jpg)

Slightly different to Lagers design in that the blocks that stop it swinging arent easily adjustable.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: abarro81 on May 08, 2009, 12:06:34 am
What's the bit at the top which it hangs off (where the gaffa tape is)? Mine hangs off cord at the mo but want to change it to like yours so it's a few inches higher.. I went into a (not very good) hardware store but they didn't have anything which looked likely. (Also, where in broomhill/crookes end of Shef is a good hardware store to buy stuff like that?)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: benj_d on May 08, 2009, 12:40:52 am
Its a solid bit of wood just over an inch thick which fits the powerbar perfectly plus a longer bit of ply wood on the back of that to act as a hook. The tape was just to go over the screws, in case i knacked a finger tip while slapping for a sloper.

If you go on the "How to build a Campus Board" thread, that shows Lagers design. It is a bit clearer on how the whole thing is made.

Do you not have a B&Q or Maxwells nearby?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: lagerstarfish on May 08, 2009, 06:37:26 am
Abbaro, this  (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,3263.msg120207.html#msg120207)is my original design (no Beastmaker on it though). The top "hook" is a length of wood the same width as the top bar sandwiched between the main piece of ply and another piece which is just shorter than the width between the powerbar's bracket arms.

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Richie Crouch on May 08, 2009, 07:21:31 am
I had this same setup with a moonboard attached and found it still hung a bit low due to low doorways in my house, coupled with the fact it still flexed a little, it made it hard not to ping off the small crimps violently. Has anyone else using this setup had issues with the flex under load  :please:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: lagerstarfish on May 08, 2009, 07:43:03 am
I don't think the flex can be avoided with this set up. Jasper uses some filthy small crimps on his (same) set up, but from what I remember he has the board hanging at just less than vertical so that when you hang, the flex/stretch/creak brings it to just vertical.
Although I'm not sure he has done this deliberately - that would be quite a lot of forethought for someone so blonde.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Jaspersharpe on May 08, 2009, 09:56:19 am
Forethought?! Moi?! It's pure coincidence of course but it does seem to work.

Haven't bloody used it for months though due to injuries, illnesses and extreme laziness. My advice, wherever you mount your board do not put it next to your fridge. Especially if, like mine, it is always full of beer.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on May 08, 2009, 10:15:44 am
How do you fill a board with beer?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 08, 2009, 10:33:49 am
How do you fill a board with beer?

They do a complete range of boards for home brewing and fine dining: The YeastMaker and The FeastMaker.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 08, 2009, 10:44:37 am
What this thread needs is more SCIENCE, what top end climbing training needs is more science.

I hadn't read that study, in fact this is only something i have begun to think about as a way of training recently, rather than it being the result of training.
 I've been trying for ages to find one into passive recruitment and the different areas of FDS & FDP which contract when using pockets/monos e.g. when you use a mono what is the max amount of muscle you can recruit? actively along the main tendon, as well as passively through the other tendons.

any thoughts Serpico GCW?


Some stuff on recruitment in finger flexors:
http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/97/1/550 (http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/97/1/550)

I think that with a max effort there's a high degree of activation overflow so that all fingers are recruited, I know that it's not uncommon with monos to tear the muscle between the adjacent tendons as the finger under load is extended whilst the adjacent fingers are contracted - curling into the palm; creating shear across the muscle between the tendons.
As with all strength training it's not just about what you can recruit, it's also about what you learn to not recruit: angle specific increases in strength are due in part to increased inhibition of the antagonist.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on May 08, 2009, 10:47:31 am
How do you fill a board with beer?

They do a complete range of boards for home brewing and fine dining: The YeastMaker and The FeastMaker.

No GeeseMaker? Or is that in the pipeline?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 08, 2009, 11:02:26 am
What this thread needs is more SCIENCE, what top end climbing training needs is more science.


More SCIENCE:

http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/a2_pulley_biomechanics.pdf (http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/a2_pulley_biomechanics.pdf)

http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/a2_pulley_friction.pdf (http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/a2_pulley_friction.pdf)

http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/lumbricals.pdf (http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/lumbricals.pdf)

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tobym on May 08, 2009, 04:16:00 pm
What this thread needs is more SCIENCE, what top end climbing training needs is more science.


More SCIENCE:

http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/a2_pulley_biomechanics.pdf (http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/a2_pulley_biomechanics.pdf)

http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/a2_pulley_friction.pdf (http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/a2_pulley_friction.pdf)

http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/lumbricals.pdf (http://www.turntillburn.ch/cms/ttb/fileadmin/website/images/pub/ansc/lumbricals.pdf)




Serpico, what do you think of that 'turntillburn' thing, as a training aid? (apologies for thread-drift!)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 08, 2009, 05:31:37 pm

Serpico, what do you think of that 'turntillburn' thing, as a training aid? (apologies for thread-drift!)

A few years ago I was very into heavy dumbbell finger rolls, which is the same principle. I'd do 3 sets of 10 reps at about 30kgs and then get on the fingerboard. Back then I think my fingers were at their strongest. The only reason I stopped was because it got too painful rolling the bar up and down the fingers.
The only concern with their method is that you have to let the bar roll to your finger tips and I'd be worried about pinging off onto my back.
But generally I find that combining a non-specific exercise like that to build muscle with a specific one, like finger boarding, to recruit muscle works well.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: benj_d on May 08, 2009, 07:18:48 pm
he has the board hanging at just less than vertical so that when you hang, the flex/stretch/creak brings it to just vertical.
Although I'm not sure he has done this deliberately - that would be quite a lot of forethought for someone so blonde.

Mine is currently vertical by itself but when i am on it then its slightly overhanging, and even more so when someone heavier gets on it. I think it may need just a little bit more wood or something else on the back of the blocks that stop it swinging.

Also, I have never said thanks for the  :goodidea: Lagers. So... THANKYOU!  :great:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: lagerstarfish on May 08, 2009, 07:30:29 pm
Also, I have never said thanks for the  :goodidea: Lagers. So... THANKYOU!  :great:

You're welcome  :beer2:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on May 09, 2009, 11:48:37 am
I need some advice. I have done about 9 sessions since Feb doing 7 sets of repeaters on different grips on-the-5-minute as recommended then some longer hangs on the deep slots at the end. Some I can complete and others 3 or more out of the 7. Unfortunately I have had no improvement since starting except for the longer hangs at the end. The points of failure are remarkably consistent. I was hoping to have nailed this set of grips and moved onto something a bit harder by now. Am I being too impatient? - do I need to do it more regularly? - or do I need to change the session structure because it isnt working for me ?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: stom on May 09, 2009, 12:02:48 pm
9 sessions in 3 months? Without knowing more about your climbing/training patterns it sounds to me like your not doing enough volume on the finger board to see progression?  For me I'll spend about 2 sessions a week on various exercises for a period of 4 weeks whilst (spending another 2 sessions climbing either outdoors or in), I'll then prioritise something completely differant (like circuits or easy bouldering) for 3-4 weeks to allow any gains to become cemented before prioritising power related exercises again.

Remember to build up slowly though and once you start to see gains in one area back off a little so as to try to avoid injury.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on May 09, 2009, 05:52:16 pm
9 sessions in 3 months? Without knowing more about your climbing/training patterns it sounds to me like your not doing enough volume on the finger board to see progression? 

Counting it up 10 fingerboard sessions in 10 weeks - so about once a week as part of a mixed bag of systems training, outdoor redpointing, indoor bouldering and a little campusing. The fingerboarding is the only activity where I havent seen gains. I expected to be a able to have completed all the sets and making it more difficult by now rather than being stuck at the same number of reps. Would you not expect to make gains if you did it once a week (as part of a bunch of other stuff) ?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on May 09, 2009, 06:17:52 pm
is a little bit of everything the main factor here? Gains are going to be very slow if you're doing so many different things. Some of which no doubt hinders recovery and progression in others.
Hasn't it always been suggested to prioritise deadhanging in periods?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on May 09, 2009, 07:13:12 pm
is a little bit of everything the main factor here? Gains are going to be very slow if you're doing so many different things. Some of which no doubt hinders recovery and progression in others. Hasn't it always been suggested to prioritise deadhanging in periods?

I hadn't picked up on that - my impression was that deadhanging was an ancillary type session - that you added to other sessions or even after a day of climbing because it is so limited and specific.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: John Gillott on May 10, 2009, 11:41:38 am
9 sessions in 3 months? Without knowing more about your climbing/training patterns it sounds to me like your not doing enough volume on the finger board to see progression? 

Counting it up 10 fingerboard sessions in 10 weeks - so about once a week as part of a mixed bag of systems training, outdoor redpointing, indoor bouldering and a little campusing. The fingerboarding is the only activity where I havent seen gains. I expected to be a able to have completed all the sets and making it more difficult by now rather than being stuck at the same number of reps. Would you not expect to make gains if you did it once a week (as part of a bunch of other stuff) ?

When I've tried the 'repeaters' exercise I've found that it resembles a power endurance workout more than anything else (I should add that I'm very weak in that department so anything more than short boulder problems gets me pumped easily). Maybe the issue is that you're at the opposite end of the spectrum to me and that you're already near a plateau in this regard? - From previous discussions on UKC I remember you pointing out that your max redpoint grade is very high given your max (worked) bouldering grade. If it's strength gains you're after, maybe you'd be better off doing a sustained spell of one-handed deadhanging, on holds that only allow you do do one rep of 5 - 8 seconds?

On the other hand, maybe what you're doing is ideal - your redpointing is improving, which is, after all, what you're after. Perhaps the repeaters are sustaining your levels of PE and the small strength gains from the other exercises are giving you the extra bit you need to do better on the routes?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on May 10, 2009, 09:14:26 pm
Thanks John. With regard to one armed hangs I can scarcely do them on on second joint edges which I know you will find shocking. I bumped into 'Serpico' at crag and he has suggested trying training varied grips using sets of 4 x 20-30 sec hangs with 1 minute rests between hangs and then later in the week alternating it with a session of fingery campusing and foot-on campussing for recruitment. So I'll give that a try.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: John Gillott on May 13, 2009, 10:32:00 am
Can't hang a two joint edge one handed? - well, I need to invert the gentle put-down I once received: 'you're far too strong for the grade you're climbing.' In your case, you're far too weak for the grade you're climbing.

Do you or does anyone have any thoughts on the merits of various power endurance training programmes on a fingerboard? I realise that there are far better ways of training it, but it's not always possible for me to get to a wall or crag often enough.

Assuming 'repeaters' are a kind of lower end power endurance exercise there's that one. I've read that the jury is out on the merits of that exercise compared with the regime advocated by Goddard and Neumann, 25-40 second hangs to failure followed by up to a minute rest, repeated 12 times or so. Anyone got any experience of the effectiveness of either, or should I just settle for using the board to train strength and try to gain some endurance as best I can at a wall / through climbing?

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on May 13, 2009, 11:40:01 am
Assuming 'repeaters' are a kind of lower end power endurance exercise there's that one. I've read that the jury is out on the merits of that exercise compared with the regime advocated by Goddard and Neumann, 25-40 second hangs to failure followed by up to a minute rest, repeated 12 times or so. Anyone got any experience of the effectiveness of either, or should I just settle for using the board to train strength and try to gain some endurance as best I can at a wall / through climbing?

I am a little unclear on what repeaters are training but I'm not convinced its PE as its generally understood. I don't know where Dan Varian got the idea for repeaters from or what he thinks they are good for but in this article by "Rock Prodigy" http://tinyurl.com/ysdh82 (http://tinyurl.com/ysdh82) a similar repeater structure is recommended under Advanced hangboard workout and Rock Prodigy is using it for training forearm hypertrophy ie getting stronger through muscle growth. To specifically train PE using your board for cicuits are going to be better than using a fingerboard. Try a cicuit you can last 90 secs on and repeat a few times and make it harder as you get betterer is a structure Gresham recommends. Its what I would do in the lead up to a sport climbing trip. Re one arm hangs talking again to Serpico it may be a weakness in the shoulder rather than the fingers that requires work. He went from struggling to one arm a first joint edge to comfortably doing it for 7 seconds following various dumbell exercises.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: John Gillott on May 13, 2009, 12:04:35 pm
I'd guess that Serpico might well be right - I know quite a few climbers who seem to be a good bit stronger than me in the fingers by all conventional climbing measurements, but who struggle with one arm deadhangs.

That's interesting (RP on repeaters and hypertrophy). Yes, setting laziness aside, in a masochistic kind of way I don't mind circuits on a bouldering wall; just a matter of getting to a wall often enough and when it's quiet enough (to avoid annoying everyone else who's trying boulder problems).

Any thoughts on the Goddard and Neumann fingerboard regime for PE? Would it spoil the effect if instead of just hanging I did pullups for the required length of time (assuming that failure still occurred in the fingers rather than the arms)? If it makes no difference whether one hangs or does pullups, this exercise does seem remarkably similar to the very old school way I used to train as a kid: fingertip pullups on a door frame with a minute's rest in between sets. Before you know it I'll be trying to implement a very small fraction of Stevie Haston's training regime if I'm not careful...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: reeve on May 13, 2009, 02:38:57 pm
John, re. PE on a fingerboard, myself and Abarro were talking about something similar to what you are considering. I did a kind of intervals with repeaters exercise: A set of repeaters lasting 1:10, followed by 50sec rest then repeat. For some of the hangs I was locked off at various heights, but about half straight armed to make sure it was my fingers which failed, as you point out. This felt pretty intense and definitely got a similar burning sensation in my forearms as more conventional PE circuits on a board do, however I only did one session like this so can't really report on its application to real life. Hope that's of some use, even if it just adds to your musings!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: John Gillott on May 13, 2009, 03:12:07 pm
Cheers reeve, that does sound pretty intense! I guess if you add up the rests within the repeaters you get a bit more of a break than at first appears: 49 seconds (call it 50) on and 70 off in each two minutes, so not far from the Goddard and Neumann ratio.

A further thought occurs to me re going to failure. I quoted Goddard and Neumann about going to failure, and on checking that is what they say, for each set. This seems different to the advice given by Gresham and others for circuits on a bouldering wall where the idea is that you just complete / just fail (ie it's touch and go) on the last set only, and each set contains the same moves.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: St Hubbins on May 13, 2009, 03:47:48 pm
Has anyone got/had metolius simulator and bought a beastmaker?

How much better is it really? Are the slopers that delicious?

(Sorry if its been brought up already but search didn't flag it, and I can't be arsed to read 8 pages)

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Krank on May 13, 2009, 03:59:11 pm
It depends, do you wanna drive a ferrari or a pile of shit. Beastmaker is way better and yes the slopers are uber lovely.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: John Gillott on May 13, 2009, 04:00:15 pm
Yes, I've now got both up at home.

One advantage of the Beastmaker is that it's made of wood. In addition to the obvious, that it's kinder on the skin, you also get a similar grip in most temperatures.

The slopers are a lot better, partly for the above reason, but also because there are two distinct useful slopers for training. One set of 'slopers' on the Metolius board is really just nice rounded holds rather than slopers.

Most of the holds have more rounded edges for the avoidance of tweaks and the range of small holds is a lot bigger and better (they're also that bit smaller, comparing the bottom rows of the two boards).
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: St Hubbins on May 13, 2009, 04:32:51 pm
(http://news.climbnewcastle.com/uploads/beastmaker.jpg)

Yeah man, just found this pic. I'm ordering one!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Falling Down on May 13, 2009, 09:25:24 pm
I can't be arsed to read 8 pages)

You might want to spend some time reading the training bumph on the website..  :read:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: marty on May 13, 2009, 09:39:14 pm
Has anyone got/had metolius simulator and bought a beastmaker?

How much better is it really? Are the slopers that delicious?


The slopers are awesome, but I am really stuggling to hang the second set; The third set ... forget it . :'(
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on May 13, 2009, 10:08:23 pm
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The slopers are awesome, but I am really stuggling to hang the second set; The third set ... forget it . :'(

I can only assume they they ride up with wear as I can hang the slopiest ones (nesting) at the Floundry but not on my own one (or the Foundry one when it was first put up).

Potential there for confusing with progress.. or an incentive to keep trying.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: benj_d on May 13, 2009, 10:35:32 pm
Has anyone got/had metolius simulator and bought a beastmaker?

How much better is it really? Are the slopers that delicious?

(Sorry if its been brought up already but search didn't flag it, and I can't be arsed to read 8 pages)



I had a metolius simulator, or should i say have. Anyone want one?  :shrug:

Yeah, the beastmaker is far better. Too many unnecessary holds on the simulator. As said before the beast is much more skin friendly. I found the slopers on the simulator a bit silly, some really big rounded ones which half of my friends who dont climb can hang and then some pretty hard slopers which i had to brush like mad so i could hold them. The slopers on the beast are 20 deg, 35 deg and 45 deg i think so if your sloper strength is quite poor you can move up a level after mastering one set of slopers.

(http://news.climbnewcastle.com/uploads/beastmaker.jpg)

Yeah man, just found this pic. I'm ordering one!

Andrew Porter of Climb Newcastle... What made you want it from that picture...  :-\
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Falling Down on May 13, 2009, 10:39:00 pm
I'm at the 7a/7a+ end of the 7a-7c climbers that the board is aimed at and can only do hangs and repeaters on the big slots, 20 deg slopers, big pockets and a combination of the little edges/bigger edge on the bottom row.

My board is mounted in an arch at home and there's a step 2ft back that I can use to take off a little weight with my toes on both or one foot so I'm using this assistance to do hangs and repeaters on the 35 degree slopers, back 2 fingers in pockets and small edges and have noticed gains in a week on these holds.

I'm finding a stopwatch, detailed notes and sticking to the same regime really useful to gauge progress.   The board itself is brilliant and very easy on the fingers if you use it right.

I also reckon a major step forward is in the experimenting that Dan and Ned have done on different grip types and how to train.  It sounds a bit daft but based on what I've done so far I just know that I'm going to get better at climbing over the next year because of the way the board and the training is structured and that is a big motivator.

Simon - I've done a couple of hour long sessions early morning before work and then gone climbing in the evening feeling recovered.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Krank on May 14, 2009, 08:58:36 am
Re one arm hangs talking again to Serpico it may be a weakness in the shoulder rather than the fingers that requires work. He went from struggling to one arm a first joint edge to comfortably doing it for 7 seconds following various dumbell exercises.

I have the same problem with hanging 1 armed, but i feel i should be able to do it. Do you know what shoulder exercises Serpico was doin to sort his shoulders out. Cheers
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on May 14, 2009, 09:43:26 am
Simon - I've done a couple of hour long sessions early morning before work and then gone climbing in the evening feeling recovered.

Effort. I can scarcely hold a cup of coffee in the morning. Double sessions are the way forward but lunch and evening for me.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Adam Lincoln on May 14, 2009, 09:57:57 am
With regard to one armed hangs I can scarcely do them on on second joint edges

Me either, and i doubt you will find many people that would say i have weak fingers!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on May 14, 2009, 10:11:18 am
but when alls said and done you do have weak fingers
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Adam Lincoln on May 14, 2009, 10:20:14 am
but when alls said and done you do have weak fingers

So it seems. But least they can only get stronger with the beastmaker.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Doylo on May 14, 2009, 10:22:29 am
i've got a big cock
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: travs on May 14, 2009, 10:24:03 am
There is a little trick to making one arm hangs a lot easier. If you engage the shoulder muscles as if you are trying to pull the opposite free shoulder up into a horizontal position prior to hanging the egde you should find the hang much easier. I would try this slowly though by easing the feet off the floor as it may well depend on your shoulder strength. ;D
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on May 14, 2009, 10:28:34 am
i'm a big cock

:)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 14, 2009, 11:28:53 am
There is a little trick to making one arm hangs a lot easier. If you engage the shoulder muscles as if you are trying to pull the opposite free shoulder up into a horizontal position prior to hanging the egde you should find the hang much easier. I would try this slowly though by easing the feet off the floor as it may well depend on your shoulder strength. ;D

I thought I was the only one who'd stumbled across that trick, it was a revelation for me when I first did it.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 14, 2009, 11:30:24 am
i've got a big cock

Still? I'd heard it'd escaped and been run over.
Is it still popular with the hens?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: John Gillott on May 14, 2009, 11:44:31 am
There is a little trick to making one arm hangs a lot easier. If you engage the shoulder muscles as if you are trying to pull the opposite free shoulder up into a horizontal position prior to hanging the egde you should find the hang much easier. I would try this slowly though by easing the feet off the floor as it may well depend on your shoulder strength. ;D

I find hanging two handed on a slightly lower hold then dynamically moving one hand into the desired hold before releasing the other hand works a treat as well at engaging the muscles. This might be a bit easier on the Metolius board mind - wider slots to jump into.

Adam: I didn't realise you'd let your shoulders wither away ;-)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Adam Lincoln on May 14, 2009, 12:01:45 pm
There is a little trick to making one arm hangs a lot easier. If you engage the shoulder muscles as if you are trying to pull the opposite free shoulder up into a horizontal position prior to hanging the egde you should find the hang much easier. I would try this slowly though by easing the feet off the floor as it may well depend on your shoulder strength. ;D
Adam: I didn't realise you'd let your shoulders wither away ;-)

I thought they were pretty strong too.  ??? Still gives me something to work towards!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: mctrials23 on May 14, 2009, 12:13:13 pm
I'm at the 7a/7a+ end of the 7a-7c climbers that the board is aimed at and can only do hangs and repeaters on the big slots, 20 deg slopers, big pockets and a combination of the little edges/bigger edge on the bottom row.

My board is mounted in an arch at home and there's a step 2ft back that I can use to take off a little weight with my toes on both or one foot so I'm using this assistance to do hangs and repeaters on the 35 degree slopers, back 2 fingers in pockets and small edges and have noticed gains in a week on these holds.

I'm finding a stopwatch, detailed notes and sticking to the same regime really useful to gauge progress.   The board itself is brilliant and very easy on the fingers if you use it right.

I also reckon a major step forward is in the experimenting that Dan and Ned have done on different grip types and how to train.  It sounds a bit daft but based on what I've done so far I just know that I'm going to get better at climbing over the next year because of the way the board and the training is structured and that is a big motivator.

Simon - I've done a couple of hour long sessions early morning before work and then gone climbing in the evening feeling recovered.

Does this just mean that I have really really shite technique. My limit outdoors is 7a at the moment and I can do repeaters on most holds bar the 45 slopers, monos and the slopey 2 finger pockets. I can hang the 45s for a few seconds and the 35 are good for most things. I can deadhang the mono, both the deep ones and the shallower ones. What does it all mean?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on May 14, 2009, 12:19:30 pm

What does it all mean?

It means that fingerboarding isn't the be all and end all in climbing.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: John Gillott on May 14, 2009, 01:23:40 pm

What does it all mean?

It means that fingerboarding isn't the be all and end all in climbing.

There must be loads of super slopey gritstone 7a+s to 7b+s with mctrial23's name on them. When my my crimping cousin tells me of the latest limestone horror show he's done I always ask him how he's getting on with Zippatrocity (not that I've done it) or something a bit easier but equally impossible for him. Gotta let them know which problems are the true measure measure of all things.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 14, 2009, 02:32:01 pm
[quote author=Krank link=topic=10876.msg200415#msg200415 date=1242287

I have the same problem with hanging 1 armed, but i feel i should be able to do it. Do you know what shoulder exercises Serpico was doin to sort his shoulders out. Cheers
[/quote]

Pullups
DB Bent over rows (arms out to side - squeezing shoulder blades together) or Hanging rows
DB Upright Rows
DB Chest press on Swiss ball or push ups on Swiss ball
DB Military press

DB = DumbBells.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on May 14, 2009, 02:41:05 pm
Do you rate Swissballs serpico?
They've always seemed like a bit of a gimmick to me in the way they're generally used. If you're doing Chest press then that should be the focus, not secondary core work?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Krank on May 14, 2009, 02:48:18 pm
Cheers Serpico, will get onto some of these tonight.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Fultonius on May 14, 2009, 03:12:02 pm
Do you rate Swissballs serpico?
They've always seemed like a bit of a gimmick to me in the way they're generally used. If you're doing Chest press then that should be the focus, not secondary core work?

I would've thought using a swissball for pushups will help to build all the shoulder stabilisation muscles?  :-\
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 14, 2009, 03:22:16 pm
Do you rate Swissballs serpico?
They've always seemed like a bit of a gimmick to me in the way they're generally used. If you're doing Chest press then that should be the focus, not secondary core work?

Definitely not a gimmick, just go into any hospital physio therapy dept.
If you just want to work the prime movers and get big then a Swiss ball will definitely hold you back in terms of the weight you can push, but in terms of functionality, and in particular the stabilisers, Swiss balls are excellent.
Push ups on a Swiss are excellent for the rotator cuff.
They're also really cheap and convenient.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tobym on May 14, 2009, 03:33:23 pm
There is a little trick to making one arm hangs a lot easier. If you engage the shoulder muscles as if you are trying to pull the opposite free shoulder up into a horizontal position prior to hanging the egde you should find the hang much easier. I would try this slowly though by easing the feet off the floor as it may well depend on your shoulder strength. ;D

Are you able to explain this any differently, as I am having trouble trying to picture this, mind you, would struggle to hang 16.3 stone on anything :'(
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 14, 2009, 03:53:33 pm
There is a little trick to making one arm hangs a lot easier. If you engage the shoulder muscles as if you are trying to pull the opposite free shoulder up into a horizontal position prior to hanging the egde you should find the hang much easier. I would try this slowly though by easing the feet off the floor as it may well depend on your shoulder strength. ;D

Are you able to explain this any differently, as I am having trouble trying to picture this, mind you, would struggle to hang 16.3 stone on anything :'(

If me and Travs are talking about the same thing then it's like trying to reach up to a hold with your free hand. If you deadhang on your left arm your right shoulder would normally be lower than your left, reach up so that your right shoulder is at the same level as your left.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on May 14, 2009, 03:55:52 pm
Feet or hands on the swiss ball for the pressups Serpico?  Or feet on one and hands on another  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tobym on May 14, 2009, 03:56:32 pm
ok, got it.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: i.munro on May 14, 2009, 03:59:20 pm

DB Bent over rows (arms out to side - squeezing shoulder blades together) or Hanging rows


Perhaps you can shed some light here.
My physio is advising me that my rotator cuff(RC) problem is that my shoulder blades are 'winging'.
That is to say (as I understand it) that rather than sitting where they should they are rotated
so that the edge nearest the spine is too far back & the other edge is too far forward.
She also says that this is a very common problem among climbers
& she has told me to do RC work with my shoulder blades apart.

On th other hand whenever you read about this stuff it says the same as you (ie squeeze them together). :shrug:
Any thoughts are welcome.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 14, 2009, 04:03:22 pm
Feet or hands on the swiss ball for the pressups Serpico? )

Both are good, but hands on the ball is a bit easier (for me) and a more rotator cuff specific.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 14, 2009, 04:16:02 pm

DB Bent over rows (arms out to side - squeezing shoulder blades together) or Hanging rows


Perhaps you can shed some light here.
My physio is advising me that my rotator cuff(RC) problem is that my shoulder blades are 'winging'.
That is to say (as I understand it) that rather than sitting where they should they are rotated
so that the edge nearest the spine is too far back & the other edge is too far forward.
She also says that this is a very common problem among climbers
& she has told me to do RC work with my shoulder blades apart.

On th other hand whenever you read about this stuff it says the same as you (ie squeeze them together). :shrug:
Any thoughts are welcome.


Depends on your exact condition. This is pretty common amongst climbers:
http://www.healthline.com/blogs/exercise_fitness/2006/10/thumbs-can-show-tightness-that-leads.html (http://www.healthline.com/blogs/exercise_fitness/2006/10/thumbs-can-show-tightness-that-leads.html)
More stuff here, particularly regarding scaption:
http://www.athletikspesifik.com/climbing-shoulder.html (http://www.athletikspesifik.com/climbing-shoulder.html)
Stick with your physio's advice, they've examined you and know the specifics of your particular condition.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: i.munro on May 14, 2009, 04:23:52 pm


Stick with your physio's advice, they've examined you and know the specifics of your particular condition.


Thanks & I intend to. Just pointing out that that 'squeeze' is easy to misinterpret.
(At least for me)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on May 14, 2009, 04:43:31 pm
Definitely not a gimmick, just go into any hospital physio therapy dept.

Cool, I didn't realise your shoulder stuff was for rehab/physio recommended... I've found my core gets hit enough when I'm doing the big lifts as it is!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Falling Down on May 14, 2009, 04:45:19 pm
Feet or hands on the swiss ball for the pressups Serpico?  Or feet on one and hands on another  ;)

I do my pressups (3 sets of 20 or 2 sets 6 clappers) with toes on the ball, feet at 90 degrees and really lock my core to stop the ball wobbling.

Supermans with one foot on the ball, the opposite hand on the floor with the other hand and foot both elevated are badass hard.

I'm a big fan of the swiss ball for weights work too.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: richdraws on May 14, 2009, 04:54:15 pm
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Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on May 14, 2009, 04:58:42 pm
Definitely not a gimmick, just go into any hospital physio therapy dept.

Cool, I didn't realise your shoulder stuff was for rehab/physio recommended...

It's not, things like the push ups on a Swiss are, but I was making the point about Swiss balls generally not being a gimmick and are used extensively by PTs.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on May 14, 2009, 05:01:09 pm
Yeah went through a phase of using a swissball at the gym when i was working away from home - doing the supermans and swapping hands and feet over after ten seconds and doing three reps each side was one of the best core exercises I did, never thought about it in terms of shoulder stability thought - good shit.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: milksnake on May 15, 2009, 04:20:56 am
just got an email saying mine was ready for postage, logged onto the payment site only to find it dosnt accept my shitty debit card...  :furious:
dammit, i'm sure we'll sort something out but what a bummer...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: superfurrymonkey on May 18, 2009, 01:17:51 pm
I'd just like to say thank to Dan etc for the swift delivery of my beastmaker it's up and I'm going to nail myself to the 45 degree slopers as this is probably the easiest way to hang them.  :-\
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on May 18, 2009, 02:16:08 pm
I'd just like to say thank to Dan etc for the swift delivery of my beastmaker it's up and I'm going to nail myself to the 45 degree slopers as this is probably the easiest way to hang them.  :-\

How you going to hammer in the second nail then?

(Neil - young ones - circa 1985)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: milksnake on May 18, 2009, 02:24:06 pm
yeah, problem solved, should be on its way shortly,  ;D
happy bunny now. I feel like a kid on christmas eve.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: superfurrymonkey on May 18, 2009, 02:49:11 pm
Good point I'm going to go away and use my head and see if I can come up with a solution   ;D
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: milksnake on May 19, 2009, 03:21:18 am
perhaps you could modify a helmet so thast it has the head of hammer attached to it, then hammer the nails through you hands before headbutting yourself to the board?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Falling Down on June 23, 2009, 11:10:55 pm
I'm at the 7a/7a+ end of the 7a-7c climbers that the board is aimed at and can only do hangs and repeaters on the big slots, 20 deg slopers, big pockets and a combination of the little edges/bigger edge on the bottom row.

I took a spirit level to the board on Sunday after trying to hang the 45 deg slopers and thinking 'That's utterly desperate....'

Turns out the wall/arch I've hung my board on was about 10 degrees overhanging so it's no wonder everything felt hideously tricky.  I've since remounted with shims to straighten the board to vertical and I can now do repeaters/hang on the 35 degree slopers, smaller pockets and the outside edges on the bottom rung.  Still can't hang the 45 deg slopers though.

I've been easing in assisted hangs on the back two on my rock rings and beastmaker and can feel gains already.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on June 24, 2009, 04:34:57 pm
Q for Beastmaker HQ- what are we talking record times for hanging the 45s a)with nestle b) without.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: KH on June 24, 2009, 10:46:44 pm
Tom,

I want to see this 17 second hang on the 45's.  Get it video'd.

What's you're secret to hanging them then?  I can't even 2 arm hang the 45's, I just keep slipping off!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on June 24, 2009, 11:26:19 pm
Eh up Kev. With nestles it's really not impressive at all and to be honest it's not even really that useful I suppose because a) I climb on grit around 1 day a year and b) I don't think I've ever spent 17 seconds or longer affixed to a problem. The only vaguely comparable sloper I need to hang in the long term is that of The Thing. Pretty sure there's people hanging them with nestles until the clocks go back?

P.S. I hope you don't think I'm one arm hanging them!?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: KH on June 25, 2009, 12:03:57 am
No Tom, I knew it was using both arms, but based on the fact that I can't stay on the 45's for a split second, I was very impressed with 17 seconds!

Hope all is well up north!  Will be up to see you all soon.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Falling Down on June 25, 2009, 07:26:53 am
Hope this isn't another faulty powerball incident :-)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Richie Crouch on June 25, 2009, 08:25:57 am
Nah I have watched the Mills in action and its sadly true! I can just about do 8-10 seconds now  :boohoo:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Andy F on June 25, 2009, 10:15:00 am
Surely you can do more than that Rich? I can do 10 seconds on the 45 and I'm as strong as wet tissue.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on June 25, 2009, 10:43:12 am
Having hung off several beastmakers now, comparison between different beastmakers seems a bit pointless as they seem to vary so much. Not sure if this is down to amount of use/grain in wood/amount of brushing or what, but I've found a variation from barely being able to hang 35s to being able to hang the 45s for 15 seconds quite easily,
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on June 25, 2009, 12:33:14 pm
We went from thinking ours had been tampered with a la Andy Jennings to wondering if the panel was warped it was mounted on to stop making excuses and crushing.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: superfurrymonkey on June 25, 2009, 01:32:31 pm
Having hung off several beastmakers now, comparison between different beastmakers seems a bit pointless as they seem to vary so much. Not sure if this is down to amount of use/grain in wood/amount of brushing or what, but I've found a variation from barely being able to hang 35s to being able to hang the 45s for 15 seconds quite easily,

I've tried 3 and the one I have at home is harder to hang than the two at the mill might have something to do with the damp at the mill but the grain on the easiest one is more pronounced for sure.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: nodder on June 25, 2009, 05:56:11 pm
While it is sure to be true that different ones feel diffrent, (especially with the slopers) don't you think this could come under the heading of taking it too far?  Part of what I like about the beastmaker board is the attempt to throw grades around for hangs, it shows a healthy keenness to hang for hangings sake, while also taking the piss a bit and measuring progress at the same time.  I thought so anyway.

Perhaps there could be a league with away fixtures so you can take an average off ten diffrent boards in a variety of weather conditions...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on June 25, 2009, 06:14:43 pm
Yeah don't get me wrong, it wasn't owt but an observation, and really only affects the slopers. The beastmaker has certainly made hanging more enjoyable and it's made me stick with a hanging programme way longer than I did on the moon one. I think this more than anything shows the quality of the product.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on June 25, 2009, 06:29:22 pm
In agreement Nodder. Never been psyched for a fingerboard to the extent of this one. Feels like a pair of satin breasts in hand. Which is why I probably spend so much time fondling them.

Was your thirty seconds without a nestle nodder?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: nodder on June 25, 2009, 06:44:57 pm
It was indeed, and for once i have video evidence ::) Although it could hardly be called interesting.  It was on the right hand mill board will try the left next time, and then will go to mr super furry monkey's house. :goodidea:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on June 25, 2009, 06:54:18 pm
Glad you've set the benchmark!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: superfurrymonkey on June 25, 2009, 08:03:13 pm
It was indeed, and for once i have video evidence ::) Although it could hardly be called interesting.  It was on the right hand mill board will try the left next time, and then will go to mr super furry monkey's house. :goodidea:

 :lol: You are welcome anytime  :whistle:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on June 25, 2009, 08:15:28 pm
Is your house something of a soft touch then is it? Expect the hoardes to come flocking!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: superfurrymonkey on June 25, 2009, 08:25:00 pm
Is your house something of a soft touch then is it? Expect the hoardes to come flocking!
Mine is a hardcore homo erotic training palace (hopefully this will put Nodders off coming round and showing me up  :whistle:) actually made some progress on the 45's in the last hour by hanging on 35's with 20kg hanging between my legs!  ;D
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on June 25, 2009, 08:26:58 pm
Mine is a hardcore homo erotic training palace

Is that why you had Crouch over for a few days then is it!? Thought it was weird he was unable to speak any longer when he got back from that weekend.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: superfurrymonkey on June 25, 2009, 08:33:09 pm
Mine is a hardcore homo erotic training palace

Is that why you had Crouch over for a few days then is it!? Thought it was weird he was unable to speak any longer when he got back from that weekend.

 :lol: Yea we watched 300 that got us psyched then we trained till we dropped, it got pretty sweaty I can tell you!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: superfurrymonkey on June 25, 2009, 09:00:14 pm
Where's everyone at with the two finger slopers ?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dr T on June 25, 2009, 09:15:25 pm
Where's everyone at with the two finger slopers ?
on my arse, on the floor
 :-[
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: saltbeef on June 25, 2009, 09:31:22 pm
Where's everyone at with the two finger slopers ?

nowhere.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Richie Crouch on June 25, 2009, 10:26:17 pm
Been trying to double off them to the 35's in vain, battling with violent grease off this week due to the weather or something  :whistle:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on June 26, 2009, 03:33:55 pm
seems like this time i'll have to come north for a fingerboarding holiday.
who needs rock when you have a beastmaker.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Falling Down on July 02, 2009, 09:18:12 pm
 :agree: It's been that hot this week here...

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2595/3682713068_5b3e073333.jpg?v=0) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/derbyshire_ben/3682713068/)

Beastmaker + Rock Rings + Wolfgang + Jerry = Psyche + Power
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: meatball on July 03, 2009, 08:30:50 am
Been trying to double off them to the 35's in vain, battling with violent grease off this week due to the weather or something  :whistle:

Crouch, your stronger than both Tom an I, and apparently we can both double onto the 35's without much trouble  :P ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: DubDom on July 06, 2009, 02:37:04 pm
If someone dares, you could try hanging using that weird combination of chalk and syrup that parallel bars gymnasts use to help them grip on the wood of the P bars, don't think your board would ever be the same, but you'd stick the slopers for sure, independent of conditions I reckon!!!!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: GCW on July 06, 2009, 02:39:32 pm
You mean Pof?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on July 06, 2009, 03:09:47 pm
The 45 pockets I've become fine with but only when taken with 3 fingers. Presuming a few sessions eliminating a digit on each hand should remedy this. Mind you, this recent grim humid spate is pretty inhibitive eh.         
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: mctrials23 on July 06, 2009, 03:44:46 pm
I got the impression that 3 fingers in the 2 finger 45's wasnt quite cricket because you end up wedging your fingers in there to keep you in rather than your strength. I can hang those with 3 fingers, cant hang the 45 sloper though.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on July 06, 2009, 04:11:46 pm
Exacto, hence using three fingers on one hand, two on the other until you can just use two fingers on each hand. Hard to say with current weather conditions how you could fare given less saturated atmospheric conditions. Sure many people are under performing as a result.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: richdraws on July 06, 2009, 05:27:49 pm
I put the angle of my beastmaker right yesterday as I was managing to hang the 45's at my slabby angle for 20 seconds or so. I can still hang it for about 7-8 seconds and can probably manage more when I get used to it. But I swear this muggy weather is making it easier, I reckon that come winter I will be be slipping off the 45's like I was last winter. I find the slopey pockets alarmingly difficult to hold.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: rodma on July 14, 2009, 12:09:02 pm
Got mine at cliffhanger, thanks Ned and Dan :great:

Really looking forward to getting on it  :)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on July 14, 2009, 01:58:20 pm
Will you ever see daylight again?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: rodma on July 14, 2009, 02:15:25 pm
Will you ever see daylight again?

Maybe at next year's cliffhanger  :-\
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Andy F on July 14, 2009, 03:24:33 pm
But I swear this muggy weather is making it easier

Bizzarely I find the 45's get easier the hotter they get, i.e. the more you hang and the hotter the wood feels, the easier it is to hang  :o At first I can barely pull up or hang them (when the wood is cold), after a few tries the wood warms up and becomes much grippier  ???
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: richdraws on July 14, 2009, 05:27:35 pm
I did 3 pull ups on it on a muggy warm day last week. I am piss weak, but the weather is a good ego boost. Is anyone else suddenly crushing the 45's?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: milksnake on July 15, 2009, 12:20:40 am
yeah, been trying for ages, and then realised my board wasnt hung vertically, they seem easy now i've sorted it.
 it was slowly pulling out the wall cause i made a shoddy job of hanging it. Was wondering why i seemed to be getting worse, thought i might have been overtraining!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: RED_BULL on July 17, 2009, 08:30:08 pm
I think my beastmaker might be on a slight overhang? Not really sure, it doesn't seem so, maybe im just weak  :lol:   I can't really hang the 45 at all on mine, but was at the works the other day and their beastmaker is piss compared to mine. 45's are well easy on that and the 2 finger sloper holds are piss... Is this beacause the works one is easy or is mine just hard? I managed to hang the 2 finger slopers on mine the other day for about 5 seconds which up until then i thought was a long way off PSYCHED!!! Probably won't help but i'm feeling more confident for the BLCC's because of that  :P

ROBZ
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: joeb on July 23, 2009, 09:18:33 am
Just thought i would post something that helped me recently get through an annoying plateau in improvement on my beastmaker. Was really struggling to get away from using my pinkie as a support for one arm encores on some of the smaller holds but have made it through. By doing a normal set of encores with my pinkie on, I then add 10 kgs pull on to my deep lock position and perform a really slow negative rep. This really has allowed me to start eliminating that little finger. I find plateau's really frustrating so help this helps someone. By the way some quality rest times between efforts on this is really important, as well as rest between sessions themselves.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: abarro81 on August 23, 2009, 11:03:28 pm
Right then beasts (already made, or currently under construction), what do people think about how gains on the slopers transfer to other grip positions and stuff where you haven't got half your hand on the hold? The way it feels like I'm half trying to crush my fingers into them makes me wonder if they'll be really useful for pinch strength, but I'm not sure if I might just be trying to convince myself of this 'cos I like hanging on them... Thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: adam_NE5 on August 24, 2009, 01:13:26 pm
Hi People,

I've got a Beastmaker board on order at the moment, can't wait to rip into some training on it!!!!
Regarding training what do people reckon on how best to go about it, is a training regime better or just playing on it randomly alot, in the past I have used other training methods but have found that its hard to stick to a schedule!

Any thoughts?

Adam
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: richdraws on August 24, 2009, 02:01:03 pm
Yeah, just play about on it and hope for the best and don't bother reading the masses of useful information on their site is probably best.  8)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: adam_NE5 on August 24, 2009, 04:49:25 pm
Yeah, just play about on it and hope for the best and don't bother reading the masses of useful information on their site is probably best.  8)
I actually read through all of their advice on training methods prior to ordering my board, I was wondering more what people thought with regards to how best to structure the training, you will notice if you have a hunt about on the Blog that Dan Varian comments on how missed deadlines with regards to  recovery only serve to antagonise. Maybe the same applies to training?

thanks for your input though!  8)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on August 24, 2009, 09:58:48 pm
you could have a structured random method? ie know how many days that week you're going to train on it, know roughly what you want to do and change if things aren't going as well as hoped on a particular grip

no abarro, you're out of your mind. how can holding a sloper improve your pinch grip? unless you've got a cheeky thumb on ;) btw all the people that hold the 45s at the works with your fingers over the top and then loudly declare how piss they are aren't really doing anything useful apart from working my core
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Falling Down on August 24, 2009, 11:26:03 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Somebody's Fool on August 25, 2009, 12:34:02 pm
btw all the people that hold the 45s at the works with your fingers over the top and then loudly declare how piss they are aren't really doing anything useful apart from working my core

That's the trouble these days, Lee. Tiny minded behaviour, despite displaying normal sized craniums.

Their time would be infinitely better served by hanging off the motherboard by a pair of monos for six and a half seconds and then loudly declaring how every female in the place is now wet. Before nipping off for beans on toast and a nap.

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on August 25, 2009, 01:06:07 pm
I can't wait to see Lee's gains in the flesh and bitches in tow.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Jeff25 on September 30, 2009, 12:10:00 pm

Find i cant hang the 45s on my beastmaker or even get anywhere close to hanging them.  :spank:
- i've checked its verticaly hung.

However, went to the WestWay wall and was able to hang theirs no problem. Do Beastmakers improve with age/differ widey, or is it more likely that the WWys board is not hung correctly.

Wasnt a conditions thing either.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: dave on September 30, 2009, 12:13:20 pm
did you check westways was also plumb vertical?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: nodder on September 30, 2009, 01:46:45 pm

Quote
Find i cant hang the 45s on my beastmaker or even get anywhere close to hanging them. 
- i've checked its verticaly hung.

However, went to the WestWay wall and was able to hang theirs no problem. Do Beastmakers improve with age/differ widey, or is it more likely that the WWys board is not hung correctly.

Wasnt a conditions thing either.


http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/Lets_talk_about_grades.pdf (http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/Lets_talk_about_grades.pdf)

Everything is now clear.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: cofe on September 30, 2009, 08:00:39 pm
<stupid question alert> thinking about getting a beastmaker but the only place I can put it is in the kitchen above the doorway. do peeps reckon it will be ok with steam and shit? don't want to be slipping off it 25 hours a day.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on September 30, 2009, 09:19:40 pm
<stupid question alert> thinking about getting a beastmaker but the only place I can put it is in the kitchen above the doorway. do peeps reckon it will be ok with steam and shit? don't want to be slipping off it 25 hours a day.

The reverse if anything. I found spit is better than chalk for hanging wood.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Doylo on September 30, 2009, 09:24:27 pm
<stupid question alert> thinking about getting a beastmaker but the only place I can put it is in the kitchen above the doorway. do peeps reckon it will be ok with steam and shit? don't want to be slipping off it 25 hours a day.

You got a 25 hour steam room in yer kitchen, strange. yeah should be fine
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: cofe on September 30, 2009, 09:52:10 pm
<stupid question alert> thinking about getting a beastmaker but the only place I can put it is in the kitchen above the doorway. do peeps reckon it will be ok with steam and shit? don't want to be slipping off it 25 hours a day.

You got a 25 hour steam room in yer kitchen, strange.

you'd love it word. proper stark bollock naked steam room homme scene.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Jeff25 on October 02, 2009, 09:33:58 am
did you check westways was also plumb vertical?

Nope. I assumed that a highly organised, efficient and professional outfit like the West Way crowd appear to be wouldn't have made such a schoolboy error...

On a separte note, wife decided its time to turn the heating on in the mornings which resulted in me hardly able to hang the 35s! - not until i tried Simons cheeky spit technique and was away on my repeaters...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Doylo on October 02, 2009, 11:12:02 am
<stupid question alert> thinking about getting a beastmaker but the only place I can put it is in the kitchen above the doorway. do peeps reckon it will be ok with steam and shit? don't want to be slipping off it 25 hours a day.

You got a 25 hour steam room in yer kitchen, strange.

you'd love it word. proper stark bollock naked steam room homme scene.

Get me a ticket i'm en route!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: cofe on October 02, 2009, 11:48:14 am
just show your nob at the door and you're in.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 08, 2009, 09:55:00 pm
Yo mothers.

Finally getting round to whacking my beastmaker up having spent the last month in serious negotiating with the wife. Few questions however.

First thing is where I've bargained to put the beast. It's going on my wall above the living room door. The door has a surround that is 1 inch deep so my beastmaker sits flush with it when placed above it. I figured this wasn't going to be perfect as the surround will get in the way when I'm using the board. So I have got some wood that's about 2 inches deep that I can whack on the wall then whack the board on to it. My only concern is whether the wall will be able to take it as I'm gonna be hauling my 13 stone frame off something that's 3 inches out from the wall. I was planning on using about 3-4 inch screws with raw plugs to attach the extra wood. Any thoughts folks?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: nik at work on October 09, 2009, 08:44:50 am
A three inch screw going through a two inch bit of wood will only have one inch in the wall, and that aint much. Get some proper thru-bolts and it will be fine. I'll find you a link this evening, just about to go out...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tunaficiency on October 09, 2009, 08:52:31 am
hi golt within 20 minutes of receiving my beatmaker id already put it up and pulled it down twice !!!  the king of diy, my girlfriend couldnt understand how i could fail to repair a toilet seat in two years. Anyway it may be because my brickwork is a bit
crumbly but if you go direct into the brickwork like i did then the screws provided with
the beastmaker might be on the wimpy side. But on the beastmaker site they give some advice on installing above a door frame recommending a 1/4 inch ply panel
onto the brickwork then mounting two blocks on the panel and then mounting the beastmaker onto the two blocks. For the rawplugs and screws id err on the side of caution i used 4 mil rawplugs i weigh 9st12 and it didnt survive 1 session so go beefy
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 09, 2009, 09:04:34 am
Cheers for the reply folks.

I'm going to rethink my plan a little, I need some better tools before I get cracking!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: dave on October 09, 2009, 09:05:02 am
I'd try and use at least the rawlplugs that require an 8mm masonry bit (I think that means #10 or #12 screws).
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chris j on October 09, 2009, 09:23:51 am
For the rawplugs and screws id err on the side of caution i used 4 mil rawplugs i weigh 9st12 and it didnt survive 1 session so go beefy

I probably went OTT when I put up my fingerboard but I put attached the board & a campus rung to an 18mm ply panel and then attached the ply panel to the brickwork with an 8mm diameter expansion bolt in each corner.

Hasn't fallen down yet...  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: rodma on October 09, 2009, 01:06:41 pm
For the rawplugs and screws id err on the side of caution i used 4 mil rawplugs i weigh 9st12 and it didnt survive 1 session so go beefy

I probably went OTT when I put up my fingerboard but I put attached the board & a campus rung to an 18mm ply panel and then attached the ply panel to the brickwork with an 8mm diameter expansion bolt in each corner.

Hasn't fallen down yet...  ;)

Sounds like you did it right

I put 18mm ply above the door surround (with packers behind to get it plumb), using 4No 10mm diameter frame fixings that were 100mm long and then screwed the beasty directly onto the ply.

I also skewed the fixings inwards towards one another (by about 20degrees), which really makes it next to impossible to pull it off the wall.

Proper job  :)

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chillax on October 09, 2009, 06:02:06 pm
Mine arrived this morning  :thumbsup:

Going have to be a bit creative in mounting it as I'm in campus digs and they don't take too kindly to folk drilling into the walls. I'm thinking an 8 foot A-frame made out of 2x2 might do the trick. Anyone tried something similar or have any advice?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on October 09, 2009, 07:46:16 pm
The door has a surround that is 1 inch deep so my beastmaker sits flush with it when placed above it. I figured this wasn't going to be perfect as the surround will get in the way when I'm using the board.

Mine sits on the frame this way and I haven't found it gets in the way - but I am an imperfectionist
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Monolith on October 09, 2009, 11:16:27 pm
Mine arrived this morning  :thumbsup:

Going have to be a bit creative in mounting it as I'm in campus digs and they don't take too kindly to folk drilling into the walls. I'm thinking an 8 foot A-frame made out of 2x2 might do the trick. Anyone tried something similar or have any advice?

Take a peek through Doylo's blog. Good few entries back and you'll see a foolproof solution to your problem. Just mount it to a piece of appropriately sized timber and affix as detailed in said post. Boom.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chillax on October 09, 2009, 11:43:58 pm
Boom indeed. Look out tendons! Cheers.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on October 18, 2009, 12:13:17 pm
As usual I'm coming into this late.

1. Are they for sale in a shop in Sheffield?
2.*full lock* in the training regiemes... that my be an issue as I will be placing it in my garage, on a roof beam, ( finishing holds for coming off my board - old school!) any experience people?
3. If not for sale in shops then is there still a long wait? As I smell the fun of a new toy, so have lost all rational patience.
4. for sale link on the beastmaker site aint workin, though I'm stuck at work ( yes, I have seen the weather.. thankyou  >:() behind the NHS firewall of doom
5. anyone found a cheap BIG clock in a supermarket with a large secondhand? I cant see solo sessions with a stop watch not working out.
6. the sessions no doubt are full on... if you fail what to do? Increase rest betewen reps?, do less in total? or do less repeaters / encores per hold? I see myself failing..  :-[


Cheers.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on October 18, 2009, 12:25:22 pm
Oh yeah, does it come with the training suggestions printed out?

Just trying to save on paper.

ta..
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on October 18, 2009, 03:30:24 pm
Oh yeah, does it come with the training suggestions printed out?

Just trying to save on paper.

ta..

Print it them out whilst you're behind the firewall of doom at work  :P
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on October 18, 2009, 11:17:54 pm
Quelle surprise, the beastmaker site shop works fine at home  ;D

I got me ordered a 1000, no point in aspiring to goals I'll never achieve.

Excited!!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on October 19, 2009, 08:33:23 am
You are behind me in the waiting line then. Will let you know when / if mine arrives.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chillax on October 19, 2009, 12:07:35 pm
Mine took about 2 weeks. Got it mounted last friday and its worth every penny.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2009, 08:46:03 am
Just got email saying it's been dispatched. Huzzah.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Serpico on October 28, 2009, 08:56:23 am

5. anyone found a cheap BIG clock in a supermarket with a large secondhand? I cant see solo sessions with a stop watch not working out.


Not a big clock, but these are good for timing intervals like repeaters.
http://uk.ebid.net/perl/auction.cgi?mo=auction&auction=17921487&from=googlebase (http://uk.ebid.net/perl/auction.cgi?mo=auction&auction=17921487&from=googlebase)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: John Gillott on October 28, 2009, 10:42:46 am
a metronome is a useful alternative. If your fingerboard is within earshot of your computer there are online ones you could use.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on October 28, 2009, 11:21:05 am
Might be a app for your phone too.

I've got the Symbian App RoundTimerX (http://www.brothersoft.com/mobile/roundtimerx-12221.html)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: jwi on October 28, 2009, 05:24:28 pm
I used audacity, a simple recording application for mac, and made a click-track and recorded myself counting out the reps....
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on October 28, 2009, 09:35:19 pm
Cool.

Will look into the above.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: lagerstarfish on October 29, 2009, 09:42:35 am
I used audacity, a simple recording application for mac, and made a click-track and recorded myself counting out the reps....

I'd like one with Joanna Lumley and Charlotte Green counting out the numbers and offering little words of encouragement
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on October 30, 2009, 03:27:40 pm
I have in my hands a finely chiselled work of art, hewn lovingly from a once living tree by the hands of a craftsman.

Bring it.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on November 03, 2009, 08:52:19 pm
Oh Lordy,

Email
says shipped... Very very excited!!!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on November 03, 2009, 08:57:00 pm
OK, I've been toying with getting one of these for a few months...
But.. I'm a bit confused by the beastmaker site.. should I go for the hard core version (2000..) or punter version (1000..) I'd hate to get the harder one and find it too thin/slopey to use (would that really be the case?) conversely, to get the punter model and find its all too large! I've got a few 7a's ticked but nowt harder than a 7a+...
Any advice from beastmaker keepers welcome...
T
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Steve R on November 03, 2009, 09:09:42 pm
I reckon you'd be fine with the 2K tom.  A couple have made it to our flat lands now and mine should arrive soon if you wanted to try one out?  I'd toyed with getting one for a while too.  Then I had a session on Tom M's and I ordered one the next day...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on November 03, 2009, 09:43:47 pm
Me gone punter...

Me old...

Me happy with a cautious training aid that will help without ripping my fingers off..

Me just want to be a little better, try hard to get there and not get hurty...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: robertostallioni on November 03, 2009, 09:46:51 pm
Me Tarzan, you Jane?

(http://www.adverbox.com/media/campaigns/2006/07/hansaplast1.jpg)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on November 03, 2009, 09:54:32 pm
Me thinks you wrong...

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on November 03, 2009, 10:23:46 pm
Tomtom if you can get to the depot when you're in/near Leeds we've got a 2000 at the Depot you could have a pull on and see what you think. The 1000 still has some pretty small holds on with the befefit of some comfy jugs for warming up
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on November 04, 2009, 07:16:39 am
Tomtom if you can get to the depot when you're in/near Leeds we've got a 2000 at the Depot you could have a pull on and see what you think. The 1000 still has some pretty small holds on with the befefit of some comfy jugs for warming up

Doh -  :wall:

Why didnt I think of that! Great idea Stubbsy..
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on November 04, 2009, 08:15:20 am
I think unless you are solid at above 7a the 1K will do you fine. I like the two slopey jugs for warming up on and doing normall pullups.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tobym on November 04, 2009, 03:16:16 pm
But will the 1k make you a beast? is there a flaw in the Boys' company name?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on November 04, 2009, 03:50:57 pm
Beastation is all relative.

BTW, can anyone tell me what a "french pull-up" is

see http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/Grip-article.htm (http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/Grip-article.htm)

(is this an open goal for funny responses?)

:)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on November 04, 2009, 03:57:20 pm
weak dave inadvertently answered my question?!

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,12866.0/topicseen.html (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,12866.0/topicseen.html)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: galpinos on November 04, 2009, 03:59:23 pm

BTW, can anyone tell me what a "french pull-up" is


Often called a Frenchie.

Pull up an lock off chin above the bar/hold. Hold position for 3 secs, lower down to straight arms (slightly bent and engaging shoulders obviously). Pull straight back up to chin above bar and when lower down to half way (arms at 90 deg), hold for 3 secs then finsh lowering down to straight arms. Pull straight up again to chin above bar then lower down to arms at 120 deg, hold for three seconds then lower to bottom.

This is one rep.

Basically pull ups with a lock off on the way down starting at the top, then at arms 90 deg then at arms 120 deg.

Fun.

EDIT: Beaten to it!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on November 04, 2009, 04:01:37 pm
Cheers anyway - feel free to edit for comedy value!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on November 04, 2009, 10:59:03 pm
Mines here.

Fast delivery.

Wood feels great, getting installed as a stand alone on rafters but above board ( old school finishing hold) and to do the frenchie pulls on.

A beautiful piece of wood.

I'm well psyched, hoping not to hurt myself.. Will be cautious, as the holds are soooo not painful need to be sensible or I could hurt my tendons.. Huge temptation to go mad!!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chris05 on November 05, 2009, 09:21:05 am
Aggghhh this is torture. Had an email saying mine had been dispatched last Tuesday but still dont have it. Guess its due to the postal strikes but keen to get beasted up.....
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on November 05, 2009, 08:14:47 pm
I've been stroking mine... a lot. final resting place getting sorted tomorrow...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chris05 on November 11, 2009, 03:02:50 pm
I finally have it in my hands, just need to get strong now... oh and develop some technique

Looks great tho
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on November 13, 2009, 03:44:55 pm
Just had first wall session in about a month - fingers felt noticeably stronger than last session, after 2 weeks of light beastmakering. Had to stop session as skin on fingers was raw.

Not to say it's revolutionary, just better than it would have been had I done fuck all for the last 2 weeks.

Breaking myself into the routine gently - need to start pushing it a bit now.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on November 23, 2009, 04:24:12 pm
..... but not too much. Had a go at deadhangs on back 2, don't think I will try that again in any hurry. Leave it for a week for fingers to recover :(
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Jaspersharpe on November 23, 2009, 04:43:09 pm
Careful.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on November 23, 2009, 06:32:25 pm
Indeed. I blame keith for getting me too psyched :)

I don't really, just be being a fucking nugget and letting curiosity get the better of me.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Barratt on December 07, 2009, 12:14:41 pm
If you can't count - and you have an iphone - this might be of help.

"Round Timer" find it on itunes store. Not a freebie, but only £0.59.

In essence, allows you to set number of rounds, a countdown time to start, round time and rest time. Makes a noise (you can set it to whatever or record you own) at each change point.

So for beastly types:

Rounds 6
Countdown time (to get ready) 5 secs
Round time 7 secs
Rest time 3 Secs

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on December 07, 2009, 12:28:45 pm
If you can't count, don't have an iPhone but do have a Nokia SymbianOS phone then similarly you can try RoundTimerX (http://www.brothersoft.com/mobile/roundtimerx-12221.html)....for free  :thumbsup:

(I suspect they're one and the same application as this one is written in Java).
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on December 07, 2009, 12:30:14 pm
Waddage if someone can identify and android app that does the same.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Luthor on December 08, 2009, 02:12:22 pm
Hi

Got my beastmaker mounted :-) and trying to work out when best to build repeater sessions into the week.

On a night when I'm going to the wall (e.g. medium circuit at works with lots of standing around chatting kind of session) would I be better off doing a fingerboard workout before or after??

I'm guessing after as would be fully warmed up but not basing this on anything other than gut instinct..

Cheers

Lex

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on December 08, 2009, 02:19:14 pm
Sounds like you'd benefit from less standing around and chatting  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Luthor on December 08, 2009, 02:24:21 pm
Sounds like you'd benefit from less standing around and chatting  ;)

Yeah left myself open to that!  :)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Barratt on December 08, 2009, 02:54:52 pm
I'd just give up if I were you Lex.

Perhaps take up Cricket, lots of standing around for ya  ;D

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: superfurrymonkey on December 08, 2009, 05:31:57 pm
I was using mine on my rest days from climbing. High intensity very low volume say a set of repeaters two max and then stop and the same the next day, third day climbing my contact strength was amazing and I managed this routine for 3 weeks. I'm having a few days rest now as my arms are knackered which is a shame as my fingers feel fine.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Krank on December 08, 2009, 10:18:10 pm
I was using mine on my rest days

I like that, training on a rest day, genius ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: clgladiator on December 08, 2009, 11:50:43 pm
I was using mine on my rest days

I like that, training on a rest day, genius ;)

I'm doing the same, its seems to be working for me too! Maybe this rest day malarkey is overrated  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Snoops on December 09, 2009, 09:06:39 am
I was using mine on my rest days

I like that, training on a rest day, genius ;)

 Let the Moffatt speak: "[John] Bachar […] taught me the importance of rest days. You can take it for granted that people will train; it's when and how much they rest that's variable. Too much training is as bad as not enough."

I'm doing the same, its seems to be working for me too! Maybe this rest day malarkey is overrated  :thumbsup:

 The Moffatt:" [John] Bachar […] taught me the importance of rest days. You can take it for granted that peo¬ple will train; it's when and how much they rest that's variable. Too much training is as bad as not enough."
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on December 09, 2009, 10:47:02 am
The Moffatt:" [John] Bachar […] taught me the importance of rest days. You can take it for granted that peo¬ple will train; it's when and how much they rest that's variable. Too much training is as bad as not enough."

I refer you to Patxi Usobiaga's training regime. 2500 moves a day, 7 days a week for 3 months. Rest days are for the weak!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: reeve on December 09, 2009, 11:56:14 am
I bet he can't wait for the end of that three month cycle so he can get his rest day and hit the beastmaker
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: fatdoc on December 09, 2009, 12:13:38 pm
The Moffatt:" [John] Bachar […] taught me the importance of rest days. You can take it for granted that peo¬ple will train; it's when and how much they rest that's variable. Too much training is as bad as not enough."

I refer you to Patxi Usobiaga's training regime. 2500 moves a day, 7 days a week for 3 months. Rest days are for the weak!

What's this Patxi bloke ever done on grit?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: account_inactive on December 09, 2009, 12:20:44 pm
These are the daddy's of interval timers
(http://www.training-timers.co.uk/gymbossarrows.jpg)

Although you can also use this on your computer and it's free

http://www.fileheap.com/software-sweatshop-exercise-timer-download-21607.html (http://www.fileheap.com/software-sweatshop-exercise-timer-download-21607.html)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tobym on December 09, 2009, 03:10:35 pm
Yup, got one of those, use it for TABATA protocol sprints and Kettlebell swings, I can vouch for it's effectiveness.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: BB on December 09, 2009, 03:18:14 pm
Waddage if someone can identify and android app that does the same.

I'd wad myself but a) I can't and b) it wasn't very difficult as it's called the same as the iphone app!

Android folks can just do a search on the market place for 'round timer'. It's the first result. It's $0.99 but i figure it's worth it.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on December 09, 2009, 03:22:58 pm
I manage ok with a clock on the wall with a second hand, or the free stopwatch on my Android to be honest, counting helps take my mind off the forearm burn!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on December 09, 2009, 03:31:33 pm
Waddage if someone can identify and android app that does the same.

I'd wad myself but a) I can't and b) it wasn't very difficult as it's called the same as the iphone app!

Android folks can just do a search on the market place for 'round timer'. It's the first result. It's $0.99 but i figure it's worth it.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on December 16, 2009, 03:38:16 pm
5. anyone found a cheap BIG clock in a supermarket with a large secondhand? I cant see solo sessions with a stop watch not working out.

I found myself in a similar situation, so went into Argos (the shame) and they have a wall clock for a princely sum of £3.49. stock code 255/3586. Couldn't deal with queues though, will go in when it is quieter.

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500001801&langId=-1&searchTerms=2553586 (http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500001801&langId=-1&searchTerms=2553586)

As a note, 46 people have reviewed this clock on their website. Have they not got better things to do?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on December 16, 2009, 04:53:28 pm
they've probably got more things to do than the 10 or so entries about stopwatches we've had on this thread
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dr T on December 16, 2009, 06:06:58 pm
I manage ok with a clock on the wall with a second hand, or the free stopwatch on my Android to be honest, counting helps take my mind off the forearm burn!

not sure if anyone else has suggested it but I use a metronome set to 60 beats per minute....
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: sidewinder on December 17, 2009, 03:18:40 pm
Going to break my long term lurking to share this timer, which is great if you can see your computer screen
http://www.speedbagforum.com/timer (http://www.speedbagforum.com/timer)
which I have been using with my beastmaker, lets you save various options, you can get it to count in so you have time to get to the board.

Had 7 months off climbing/life due to non climbing related surgeries and recoveries, so am pretty much as weak as you get also hadn't mounted my board in my new rental house due to deposit return fear, however after seeing the beastmaker pdf on mounting I was inspired to do this

(http://unumc.org/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=5&image_id=2252)

Which is a removable door frame insert on which everything is mounted, goes up and down in about a minute.  I have also been following the beginner regime 2/3 times a week that Ned and Dan posted on the Works website (repeaters 4 finger, 3 finger, slopers) and have already (within a fortnight) noticed improvement.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Krank on December 17, 2009, 04:21:32 pm
Quote
Your order from beastmaker.co.uk has shipped

YYFY on its way to my castle as i type. Bless you beastmaker folk, you truely have made xmas special.

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: sidewinder on December 18, 2009, 09:24:54 am
Going to break my long term lurking to share this timer, which is great if you can see your computer screen
http://www.speedbagforum.com/timer (http://www.speedbagforum.com/timer)
btw this may be a slackers linux question but does this timer beep for anyone else, it doesn't on my linux box and I don't have windows/other OS to test it.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: dave on December 18, 2009, 09:31:15 am
not sure if anyone else has suggested it but I use a metronome set to 60 beats per minute....

quick show of hands everyone who owns a metronome?  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on December 18, 2009, 09:53:04 am
quick show slow rythmic wave of hands everyone who owns a metronome?  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on December 18, 2009, 09:54:55 am
For 2 (and 3) finger pockets, is it better to curl non used fingers under or point them up straight?
Or does it make no difference?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dr T on December 18, 2009, 11:31:24 am
quick show slow rythmic wave of hands everyone who owns a metronome?  ;)

:wave:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dr T on December 18, 2009, 11:32:47 am
For 2 (and 3) finger pockets, is it better to curl non used fingers under or point them up straight?
Or does it make no difference?
for me straight up - chafe my knuckles if I curl them under  :(
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: iain on December 18, 2009, 11:54:40 am
For 2 (and 3) finger pockets, is it better to curl non used fingers under or point them up straight?
Or does it make no difference?

I curl them as for me it makes a massive difference to how hard I can pull. There might be something mechanical about not being able to pull as hard if the other fingers are open.

The downside is that I think it places a lot of stress between the working and curled fingers.

But it feels oh so good when it works  ;D
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: superfurrymonkey on December 18, 2009, 01:04:54 pm
I have a metro sexual gnome is that any good?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chillax on December 18, 2009, 01:34:17 pm
I have a metro sexual gnome is that any good?

Only if he can keep good time
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dr T on December 18, 2009, 02:34:03 pm
quick show slow rythmic wave of hands everyone who owns a metronome?  ;)

:wave:
we all do (http://www.metronomeonline.com/)  ;D
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tunaficiency on February 08, 2010, 02:40:23 pm
ive found that 12/8 time on the 35 s then a waltz bridge section on the monos worked wonders.  Seriously ive been hitting the beastmaker about twice a week  started with the works beginner sessions then ive progressed on to the intermediate with a few tweaks, i combine this with a tweaked nizza session including one arm lock-offs on the jug and 25's and alternate the two. My fingers feel fine but my wrists feel a little tweaky any suggestions for strengthening them up or treating them, no need for the obvious one, thanks
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on February 08, 2010, 04:08:50 pm
Try the second set of dumbell complex exercises on this video: Istvan Javorek Complex and other exercises (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7iJsEUQzRU#)

(The first set is pretty good to do as well while you are at it)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: miki on March 01, 2010, 06:25:37 pm
last week i started doing some repeaters and had some problems focusing on the stopwatch hanging bellow the board while doing it.
i´ve seen some messages in this thread related to stopwatch applications, but none seemed adequate for the program i´m following.
so i decided to do an alarm type of application that beeps every second and that you can setup with the number of seconds ( active, rest, rest between series ) and number of series and reps. today i did my first session with it and was ok.
if anyone has a mobile phone that runs java ( i have an old nokia 6233 :P ) and is looking for something similar will send you the jar file.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on March 01, 2010, 06:37:12 pm
last week i started doing some repeaters and had some problems focusing on the stopwatch hanging bellow the board while doing it.
i´ve seen some messages in this thread related to stopwatch applications, but none seemed adequate for the program i´m following.
so i decided to do an alarm type of application that beeps every second and that you can setup with the number of seconds ( active, rest, rest between series ) and number of series and reps. today i did my first session with it and was ok.
if anyone has a mobile phone that runs java ( i have an old nokia 6233 :P ) and is looking for something similar will send you the jar file.

RE: timers... Anyone here ever watched 'Gregorys girl?' (great film btw...) in that theres a scene where one of the yoofs is developing photos (of naked nurses) in a darkroom and counts 'one elephant' 'two elephant' etc.. to count the seconds. because - as it says in the film - it takes about a second to say one elephant - and its hard to say it any faster! Works for me  :)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on March 02, 2010, 07:36:58 pm
i finally lost my beastmaker virginity, thanks to maisonbleau.
i have to say it's by far the best fingerboard i ever pulled on. its shapes are never painful and they allow to train full hard core without skin or pain problems. it shocked me, because i found out i can comfortably hang on the monos, a thing that i had never done before.
yyfy.
beastmaker forever, i am trying to convince my friends ot buy one for their gym, otherwise i'll buy mine and i, only, will become strong.
beasts.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chicane on March 13, 2010, 12:21:10 pm
Crank round timer for iPhone currently free on app store. I went on to get the 59p one and spotted it

looks good and will do the 7 secs on 3 off for the repeaters.

Cheers

matt
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Charlie T on April 08, 2010, 12:16:30 pm
just placed an order for a 1000, cant wait to get some more training in!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 16, 2010, 07:11:58 pm
I HAVE IT.
I HAVE IT.
IT CAME.
I HAVE IT.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 17, 2010, 02:16:40 pm
as each one of you can easily imagine, since i got the board i couldn't help but think about putting it on and starting training.
so i had a quick look on the beasts' website to check various mounting options, and after a day long reflection, i decided the best solution was a hydraulic system that could lower down the board with a simple button. then i came out with this fine example of craftsmanship, that i dubbed "the italian fix".
you take the doorframe, you drill in a bunch of screws and you are golden in 5 mins.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4528236026_a2c05c1218_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on April 17, 2010, 04:44:07 pm
I believe the italian fix method is used in the production of Fiats?

Nice one, get on it my friend.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on April 17, 2010, 05:45:14 pm
I believe the italian fix method is used in the production of Fiats?

A piece of my dashboard fell off the other day. It wasn't small either.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 17, 2010, 07:41:04 pm
I believe the italian fix method is used in the production of Fiats?
exactly, with seven screws they make two complete cars.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: dm on April 24, 2010, 01:55:42 am
A quick search suggests that no one has mentioned the GymBoss timer:

http://www.gymboss.com/ (http://www.gymboss.com/)

Perfect for repeaters and whatnot.

Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tobym on April 24, 2010, 08:30:25 pm
A quick search suggests that no one has mentioned the GymBoss timer:

http://www.gymboss.com/ (http://www.gymboss.com/)

Perfect for repeaters and whatnot.

Sorry, was mentioned several pages back ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on April 24, 2010, 11:19:03 pm
A quick search suggests that no one has mentioned the GymBoss timer:

http://www.gymboss.com/ (http://www.gymboss.com/)

Perfect for repeaters and whatnot.

Sorry, was mentioned several pages back ;)

I've heard they break incredibly easily (much like myself)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: csurfleet on April 26, 2010, 09:17:24 am
I've had one for a few months now without issue, and its been covered in chalk and battered repeatedly off the wall when timing ARC sessions...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chris05 on April 26, 2010, 12:07:24 pm
 :agree:

I've also had one for six months or so, it seems to be going strong, very useful.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: dm on April 27, 2010, 01:13:04 am
Sorry, was mentioned several pages back ;)

Oops, I searched for "gymboss" and got no hits.  My apologies.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 27, 2010, 09:55:32 pm
could someone help a beastmaker noob?
despite having had a look on their website, i still don't get the "dragging" and the "nestling" type of hold.
i don't want to put a new beastmaker tick on my 8a.nu scorecard, and then find out i cheated! 
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Mi|es on April 27, 2010, 10:08:42 pm
I believe nestling (for say the 45 deg slopers) is where you have three fingers on the 45 degree holds and the index finger of each hand on the 35 degree holds, not entirely sure about 'dragging' though.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: andybfreeman on April 27, 2010, 10:44:25 pm
my reading of it is:

dragging = open handed
nestling = jamming your index finger against the edge of the next sloper along

are you one arming the 45s the nibile?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chris05 on April 28, 2010, 09:13:41 am
 :agree: That was my understanding

Is anyone else finding conditions are poor on the beast at the mo? I've had to revert from the spit method to using chalk for the slopers!  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chicane on April 28, 2010, 09:18:50 am

This handy diagram may help

http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/grips.JPG (http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/grips.JPG)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 28, 2010, 09:57:36 am
thanks for the replies guys!
i only had one session on the beast, in which i was so psyched that i fried my right elbow!!!
damn those perfect holds, you can pull so hard without hurting your skin that you're gonna hurt your body if you don't pay attention. and i didn't!!! too much psyche innit.
i tested the holds, and i found out my many weaknesses. i am defo stronger half crimped and openhanded than full crimped. i'll work the baCK TWO! i could one arm a few holds, the best feat being the right eye (3 fingers openhanded), but for a very short time.
i have a long long way to go, but i have plenty of time, the gym is already boiling and it will close in one month.
iron and wood for the summer.
destruction for the autumn!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Three Nine on April 28, 2010, 10:06:58 am
Nibile - if its not a rude question, how hard do you boulder? I'm not trying to make a point or anything (as per the 5 one-armers thread!) Its just interesting for my personal understanding of how training of this sort relates to climbing performance.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 28, 2010, 02:11:14 pm
yo!
it's a bit hard to tell how hard i climb at the moment, because i don't get many chances to go climbing on new problems, but i can say that, on my style of problems, i can flash or do in a few tries 7b/+, and i have redpointed various 8a here and there, but not in 2010. yet.  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: JamesD on April 28, 2010, 02:44:36 pm
8a  :o

Beast  :bow:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 28, 2010, 04:00:43 pm
james,
thank you. but i have to point you at the fact that many, and i say many ukb'ers that post regularly on here, boulder much harder, i mean solid 8b, regularly. so again thank you, but be sure that the true beasts are others!!!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on April 29, 2010, 07:54:35 am
nibs ure a gentleman as always


regards other peoples posts on a few things about training, and comparisons of how hard people climb outdoors etc. this really winds me up/amuses me constantly. they are not the same thing nor in many cases directly related. a lot of people on here ave a bee in their bonnet about outside climbing, ure not a wad unless u climb some form of slab horror, or crack horror, or etc etc. however from my own point of view, regards training etc i'm not remotely interested if a 7stone man climbs something on small holds, i'm not shocked. an 8 stone man being able to hang onto an overhanging route for longer than the average man, again i'm not shocked. i like training cos i think its hard, not cos i like to move smoothly over one or two rock types. to me a 12 stone man putting his finger into a mono n lifting his body up is much more impressive than most things that go on, nearly everyone else has different views this is good since there's no way i'd want to sleep with most other peoples perceptions of beauty either. so says an adonis with a spoon.

so those that poo poo training, why don't u just fuck off
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 29, 2010, 08:34:38 am
You need to go on ukfingerboard.com instead Dense, you'd be right at home.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on April 29, 2010, 09:43:39 am
or how about www.ratemybody.com (http://www.ratemybody.com) ?

(a genuine site, possbily NSFW, blocked at my work anyway, but so are most things).
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 29, 2010, 10:28:52 am
Q: How many 36 year-olds look as good as Dense?

A: Most of the ones who climb.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on April 29, 2010, 10:55:46 am
36? Must have had a tough paper round! :)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Johnny Brown on April 29, 2010, 10:57:11 am
He's been 36 for the last four birthdays now I think.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on April 29, 2010, 05:13:24 pm
maybe all 36 yr olds do but wait 2 yrs then we'll see

i've not fingerboarded for 8 mths, again another popular myth
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: k2ted on April 29, 2010, 05:27:25 pm
or how about www.ratemybody.com (http://www.ratemybody.com) ?

(a genuine site, possbily NSFW, blocked at my work anyway, but so are most things).

could also try www.ratemyrack.com (http://www.ratemyrack.com)     

be careful anybody under 18 out there.....
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on April 29, 2010, 07:55:57 pm
maybe all 36 yr olds do but wait 2 yrs then we'll see

i've not fingerboarded for 8 mths, again another popular myth

Your were using the motherboard like a giant fingerboard the other night 'muscles'...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on April 29, 2010, 11:51:15 pm
thats different :whistle:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: anoread on July 08, 2010, 10:45:05 pm
I've just been doing some counter-weighted middle finger, bottom rung mono encores (well trying). It really hurts. My skin is screaming by the third rep. Any ideas? I've been doing a bit of sand papering which may be helping, but it still smarts rather.

Is training in some loops of tape a good alternative?

Muchos Gracias
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Fultonius on July 09, 2010, 08:47:33 am
Are you already solid at all the other holds? All the 2's? Big monos?

Or did you go out, buy a beatmaker and think "Fuck Yeah, gimme some of the that tendon wrecking, skin tearing, mutherfucking mono action"   :wave:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Simon_W on July 09, 2010, 01:14:10 pm
pretty solid yes. encores coming on well on the 2's. I haven't really tried the big monos much, I aways seem to be slipping out of them. Are they supposed to be easier?!  :kiss2:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on July 09, 2010, 01:36:50 pm
on the same note, wednesday I did a brief session of max deadhangs and tests.
I am progressing.
I seem to find the small monos not easier to hang as far as the hang itself, but easier to position your fingers in the best way in order to hang them, rather than the slopey monos.
on the slopey, my index, ring and pinky can't fit properly under the small gap between the upper part of the board and the lower.
so, I will go on like this: 10"x6 sessions with hangs and pull ups, twice a week. then one max deadhang session (mostly one armed).
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Fultonius on July 09, 2010, 02:57:51 pm
pretty solid yes. encores coming on well on the 2's. I haven't really tried the big monos much, I aways seem to be slipping out of them. Are they supposed to be easier?!  :kiss2:

Maybe it's just a case of multiple personality disorder?  :shrug:

Do you normally have skin issues? I've only hung the lower monos a few times - I need to catch the fold at my last knuckle over the edge or I can't hang it. It does hurt a bit. Hmm. Maybe use more counterweight for a few weeks till the pain threshold increases?  :-\
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on July 09, 2010, 03:29:20 pm
loops of tape won't really be a good alternative i don't think. is your board in a warm place? i don't like using the mono's in the heat, just feels wrong. what has caused u to sandpaper? skin or wood? my fingers get bruised underneath if i do them for any length of time but it is what it is :bounce:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SiW on July 12, 2010, 06:15:22 pm
I do seem to be having an indentity crisis. **** knows how I managed that. Sense of self now stable.

The sandpaper... On my skin mainly, I have a lot of thick skin around the top joint crease which is gets mangled when I hang, particularly on the front 2. Thinning it down seems to help it splitting open and generally reduce pain.

The main problem I seem to have is knowing when to call it a day, it takes me at least 3 days to recover from my usual board work-out.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Fultonius on July 12, 2010, 07:02:17 pm
How about just busting out 3 sets of 10 seconds until your skin gets used to it? (without taking weight off)



The sandpaper... On my skin mainly, I have a lot of thick skin around the top joint crease which is gets mangled when I hang, particularly on the front 2. Thinning it down seems to help it splitting open and generally reduce pain.


Helping it split open? Reducing pain? Surely splits hurt like hell, no?

If you've got really thick skin, maybe some climb-on or similar might help make it more supple?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SiW on July 13, 2010, 12:52:32 pm
How about just busting out 3 sets of 10 seconds until your skin gets used to it? (without taking weight off)

That's not a bad idea, thanks. It's got to be worth a try.
I actually fashioned a couple of mono rails to go on the back of my board over the weekend, to try and get something more comfortable.
Good concept, poor results. Will need to have another go with a better idea of the shape required.

Just to clarify. Splitting skin - yes it hurts. sandpaper to help avoid splitting
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Fultonius on July 13, 2010, 10:03:18 pm

Just to clarify. Splitting skin - yes it hurts. sandpaper to help avoid splitting

It all becomes clear...  :bounce:

Was just doing some back-3 repeaters on the big rail (open hand). After the third set I couldn't bend my fingers.  :o

They're fine now, no pain or anything, just seemed to seize up. Could only manage set of 4 reps though weak weak weak!  :spank:

Also, does anyone else find a beastmaker session really hammers the middle finger?

If you do a mix of front 3, back 3, front 2 and mid 2 your middle finger is getting it every time! Also, because the middle finger is a bit longer, it's always got a slight bend. I can often feel the PIP joint getting a bit thrashed!

Any thoughts on the matter?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: chillax on July 14, 2010, 12:24:20 pm
I find that too. Also on the middle slopers, and especially in my RH middle finger when openhanding the smaller rungs. But I suppose for almost every functional grip type when climbing the middle finger is in play, so thats consistent with what you're actually training for.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on July 18, 2010, 08:42:25 am
i also find my sessions hammering my middle fingers, i like to call it planning :P
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on July 21, 2010, 07:45:26 pm
on the matter...
the beastmaker simply works.
it fucking works.
it fucking fucking works.
YYFY.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4816148028_1829dfb5d2.jpg)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dr T on July 21, 2010, 09:12:27 pm
on the matter...
the beastmaker simply works.
it fucking works.
it fucking fucking works.
YYFY.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4816148028_1829dfb5d2.jpg)

beast

 :bow:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on July 21, 2010, 09:36:17 pm
what do u mean beast? i always thought thats how nibs slept?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on July 22, 2010, 09:30:57 am
Lats like a bat, sleeps like a bat.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Krank on July 22, 2010, 10:06:25 am
come on Nibs, make an effort, no straight arms no tick ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on July 22, 2010, 10:09:52 am
come on Nibs, make an effort, no straight arms no tick ;)
sad but true krank, sad but true.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: JamesD on July 22, 2010, 10:12:04 am
Flipping hell, I can do that on a pullup bar, but on a fingerboard, on monos.....  :jaw:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: a dense loner on July 22, 2010, 10:18:29 pm
they don't ave any holds for less fingers
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on July 23, 2010, 07:13:49 am
they don't ave any holds for less fingers

Next step would be to one-arm front lever a mono, now that would be impressive!

(http://www.theshortspan.com/photo/jg5.jpg)

Incidentally thats from a good interview with Gill (http://www.theshortspan.com/features/johngill.htm).  I wonder if he did yoga?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tobym on July 23, 2010, 09:00:22 am
they don't ave any holds for less fingers

They do, in between the holds.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on March 30, 2011, 12:35:25 pm
as you may have read in the blog, I'm training a little bit of power endurance on the Beast, to climb my projects. I hate it. I'm sure you'll love to see me suffer this much. it's alot worse than it appears on the vid...
two minutes on the beast (http://www.vimeo.com/21663404)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on March 30, 2011, 12:42:51 pm
That fold you get on your back above the tat is wierd? One day I will be able to hand the slopers...

Has anyone found that a BM session actually helps tweaks in hands etc? I had some pain across the back of my hand for about a week and a half; hurt when doing pressups or mantles etc. Gave it a week of rest, short beastmaker session last night, and feels much betteer today.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: robertostallioni on March 30, 2011, 01:32:28 pm
I like the Beastmaker adornment. Very Christmassy.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: slackline on March 30, 2011, 01:57:51 pm
You should submit that video to their Bring out your Dead Hangs (http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/2011/02/01/bring-out-your-dead-hangs/).
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Jaspersharpe on March 30, 2011, 03:03:55 pm
Has anyone found that a BM session actually helps tweaks in hands etc? I had some pain across the back of my hand for about a week and a half; hurt when doing pressups or mantles etc. Gave it a week of rest, short beastmaker session last night, and feels much betteer today.

Exercise is good for you. £5 please.  :P

I've had a dodgy shoulder on and off for a while. Since I started training on the BM it feels much better.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on March 30, 2011, 04:02:30 pm
£5 bargain. Much cheaper than lagerfish enterprises for similar services.

How much do you charge for handjobs? he does them for a tenner and a bag of chips.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on March 30, 2011, 05:30:15 pm
£5 bargain. Much cheaper than lagerfish enterprises for similar services.

How much do you charge for handjobs? he does them for a tenner and a bag of chips.

Do you have to give him the chips, or do you get free chips with the handjob (it could make or break the deal...)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on March 31, 2011, 09:00:59 am
Well I buy but we share them, as a kind of bonding thing.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Jaspersharpe on March 31, 2011, 09:24:42 am
See now I know you're lying. Lagers would never share the chips.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on March 31, 2011, 12:41:21 pm
could you please stop talking about handjobs between males while eating chips, after my video? it makes me VERY uncomfortable.
 :yes:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: lemony on March 31, 2011, 12:43:57 pm
could you please stop talking about handjobs between males while eating chips, after my video? it makes me VERY uncomfortable.
 :yes:

Hmmm... I'd assumed they'd have saved the chips for after, surely it would put you off your stroke otherwise?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Fultonius on March 31, 2011, 01:25:36 pm
could you please stop talking about handjobs between males while eating chips, after my video? it makes me VERY uncomfortable.
 :yes:

Hmmm... I'd assumed they'd have saved the chips for after, surely it would put you off your stroke otherwise?

 :chair:

Shirley you'd want the extra pleasurable sensation of chip grease, salt and vinegar so you'd have the chips first?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on March 31, 2011, 01:42:14 pm
Never heard of the vinegar strokes?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 01, 2011, 10:08:43 am
yet more fun...
Untitled (http://www.vimeo.com/21757873)
BRING OUT THE CHIPS.
brrr------- shiver-----------
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Gus on April 01, 2011, 10:28:59 am
That's f*cking cool!!!!   :strongbench:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Jaspersharpe on April 01, 2011, 12:15:22 pm
Hey Lore, have you ever thought that a lack of power might not be your weakness?  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 01, 2011, 12:42:47 pm
 :???:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: gremlin on April 01, 2011, 12:55:17 pm
What about the left arm?  :P
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 01, 2011, 12:58:14 pm
fair question Grem!
the answer I could give is that it would have been too boring to watch also the left one, the true reason is that my left arm is so much weaker than the right that it's definitely not worth.
it's between 1/3 and 1/2 of my right arm power, depending on the exercise.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: account_inactive on April 01, 2011, 12:59:47 pm
This is why you need Largers on the handjobs  :P
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: gremlin on April 01, 2011, 01:01:34 pm
fair question Grem!
the answer I could give is that it would have been too boring to watch also the left one, the true reason is that my left arm is so much weaker than the right that it's definitely not worth.
it's between 1/3 and 1/2 of my right arm power, depending on the exercise.

Still, pretty impressive!  :)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: butters on April 01, 2011, 01:33:43 pm
This is why you need Largers on the handjobs  :P

Could it be that he is already doing so but only with the right hand? :o Would explain the weakness in the left arm...  ;)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Pebblespanker on April 13, 2011, 10:13:36 am
Love the motivational blackboard dude!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: nodder on April 14, 2011, 01:36:17 pm
So you hang around on the board and work out which bits of you are weak, then what?  say your left arm is lacking in comparison to your right on any deadhang or system problem, do you
a-  add more reps on your left to force it to catch up or
b-  do you reduce reps on your right to let your left catch up
c-  Think oh well it will sort its self out
 :shrug:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on April 14, 2011, 03:59:10 pm
i keep going full power on each, so they'll never be even. a good way is to always train the weak one first. in my case I've given up, despite all my efforts my left arm is a lot weaker, i think also because i badly broke my collarbone when 15 and it healed badly, it's higher than the right one and with a totally different curve. even my deltoid is different from this. for sure i won't stop training the stronger one to level them down! sorry typing from phone.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: nodder on April 14, 2011, 04:14:23 pm
having mused upon this today, I decided to get scientific... So I measured my forearms and biceps left on each being 1/4 of an inch smaller than the right, so I must need to hypertrophy some more musclues into my left arm?  Assuming this is correct I should do 10reps x 4 sets of one armers extra twice a week on left arm? Just do the normal stuff on the right hand.  Yes that will do it, now to find a massive counterweight. 
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: robertostallioni on April 14, 2011, 04:21:50 pm
DOYLE!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: nodder on April 14, 2011, 04:24:41 pm
As a counterweight might have to be cjd doylo doesnt dare go to the mill before losing his blub.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Paul B on April 14, 2011, 04:32:44 pm
what a board...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: miso soup on September 05, 2011, 07:44:41 pm
Thread resurrection, I have some terminology questions.  I haven't read the whole thread because it's epic so apologies if this has been answered already, but what is 'nestling' exactly?  And is 'dragging' just open-handed?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on September 05, 2011, 07:46:57 pm
Nestling is (AFAIK) where you snuggle the edge of your fingers against the sticking out side of the sloper next to the one you are hanging..

dragging is (again AFAIK) dragging your fingers accross the board/hold (e.g on a sloper again) - not open handed.

But I'm probably wrong!
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: miso soup on September 05, 2011, 07:56:17 pm
Okay, like holding the slopers with your whole fingers on them?  I actually only discovered recently that it's easier if you just use the tips.  Nestling never even occurred to me, I'll be giving the 45s another shot with this new beta, cheers.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on September 05, 2011, 09:49:33 pm
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkDcNcBUzevGAGCfa1TvbR9PPnPf7UlHn-pMETewSK4g5ZlON7Eg)

Cant find the original...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: miso soup on September 05, 2011, 10:00:49 pm
That's so low-res I can't actually read it, but thanks.  I've now read the whole thread and the question was asked and answered on page 15.  I'm now wondering what encores are though...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: cheque on September 05, 2011, 10:34:28 pm
None of the explanation stuff seems to have survived the transition to the current Beastmaker site, but here (http://web.archive.org/web/20100125004733/http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/Grip-article.htm)'s an archive of the page that explains encores. I can't find a bigger copy of the grip terminology picture either, sadly.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: miso soup on September 06, 2011, 11:58:03 pm
Got it, cheers.  Turns out I can do a lot more than I thought on the old BM2k. :)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dolly on September 26, 2012, 08:33:58 pm
I'm pretty much always motivated to climb on a board or wall, but I really struggle with training on my Beastmaker. Just done a sess tonight but I find it incredibly boring and I find it hard to get the motivation to go on it in the first place and then complete the session. What does anyone else do in terms of motivation to get on it in the first place and then stick with it ?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: shark on September 26, 2012, 08:41:37 pm
What does anyone else do in terms of motivation to get on it in the first place and then stick with it ?

Write down what you did. Beat it next time. And repeat
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Three Nine on September 26, 2012, 09:31:07 pm
Its boring but all you have to do is dangle - it doesn't really take too much effort. Watch tv or listen to music at the same time?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Stubbs on September 26, 2012, 09:39:10 pm
it doesn't really take too much effort.

You're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dolly on September 26, 2012, 09:57:44 pm
What does anyone else do in terms of motivation to get on it in the first place and then stick with it ?

Write down what you did. Beat it next time. And repeat
You mean beat it by more reps, longer hangs etc ?
Title: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on September 26, 2012, 10:07:36 pm
Smaller holds...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Sasquatch on September 26, 2012, 10:08:49 pm
it doesn't really take too much effort.

You're doing it wrong.
That's what she said..... :P

What does anyone else do in terms of motivation to get on it in the first place and then stick with it ?

That usually shows up later in marriage.....

Seriously though, my motivation is directly related to why I want stronger fingers.  The more tangible and immediate the reason, the easier it is to train.  For example, my motivation is low right now because the outdoor season is just about done and I've pretty well done all the really hard projects I will be able to this year.  I'm hoping to set up a trip to Bishop(for  The Mandala) in February so that I'll have a good solid tangible goal to use for motivation.  Otherwise I find my motivation low until about February, which is when I start looking forward to the spring/summer season.

Just doing it to get stronger is not enough motivation for most people (At least not at first).
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on September 27, 2012, 06:37:25 am
Sometimes motivation comes after. For me the "problem" could be the opposite: I want to do something but my body says no. In this case I simply start my warm up and usually I can put in a session. For motivation varying is crucial, so maybe you could see FB as a different thing to do when you don't feel like climbing.
For instance I recently went back to training one arm dead hangs after a lomg time, and I found that the summer training - most board climbing - really paid off. My left arm is much stronger and the right one has impoved as well. So now I'm hitting it.
I stuck to the "less is more" again, dropped all the pockets except back two and train just back three, front three, small rung half crimp and the central incut rung.
It seems to work, I can't wait to go at it again today.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: rodma on September 27, 2012, 06:50:07 am
I train almost exclusively at home now and don't struggle with motivation too badly, or so i thought anyway. I just think about whatever i am going to attempt the following weekend on rock, think about how cool it would be to get a new pb on the board, think about nibs etc.

Mrs rodma struggles a bit more though and relies on posters of arnold for assistance, but when her bubble bursts and she realises we are just standing around in the boxroom, so does mine.

Training when it is hard to find the motivation is the hardest thing to do. You need to generate some from somewhere deep within, fingerboarding is not exciting on it's own but as others have alluded to, progressing is.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: biscuit on September 27, 2012, 09:37:02 am
Having a goal is essential or else what are you doing it for ? It gives you the motivation - depending on how much you want the goal i guess.

In the past i have stuck a picture of my goal route above the BM to remind me of why i am suffering.

Bit like sticking a fat picture of yourself in speedos on the fridge door to keep you away from snacks  :P
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Dolly on September 27, 2012, 03:06:22 pm
Cheers for the replies - I'll get in my speedos then
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Wood FT on September 27, 2012, 03:18:42 pm
...but when her bubble bursts and she realises we are just standing around in the boxroom, so does mine.


   :lol: yep, it's like walking in on yourself
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 28, 2013, 03:16:59 pm
I could probably google, but I'm a lazy fucker tbh.

What rawl plugs are best for using when mounting the beastmaker with the screws supplied directly onto breezeblock wall above a doorway?

Thanks
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: GCW on August 28, 2013, 03:31:50 pm
By "breezeblock", do you mean the big grey crumbly ones like this?

(http://we-get-hitched.com/shop/images/breeze_block.gif)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 28, 2013, 03:40:09 pm
Um, I think so. Are there any other kind? Looks a bit darker than that maybe.

It's the outside wall of the house, inside the garage if that makes sense. Everywhere else it's covered with pebble dash harling
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: neilslim on August 28, 2013, 04:19:01 pm
There are other kinds of breeze block, if its the 'outside' wall its more likely to be cinderblock. Which is a bit darker...
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 28, 2013, 05:40:48 pm
Looks and sounds about right, thanks. So, mounting to cinderblock then?
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: GCW on August 28, 2013, 05:57:22 pm
The reason I asked was that those blocks are usually pretty brittle and a rawl plug may not be the best option, you may need something a little more heavy duty.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 28, 2013, 06:10:14 pm
I was wondering the same thing, hence the question. Any suggestions of other mounting alternatives would be great. Screwing into or hanging off wooden doorframe not an option.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: neilslim on August 29, 2013, 12:07:18 am
Something like this?

http://www.confast.com/articles/cinder-block-fasteners (http://www.confast.com/articles/cinder-block-fasteners)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 29, 2013, 08:45:14 am
I had thought of something like that, but the holes in the board are set up for a countersunk screw, and something like that would stick out and get in the way? Not keen on modifying the board unless I have to.
Title: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on August 29, 2013, 08:49:36 am
I had thought of something like that, but the holes in the board are set up for a countersunk screw, and something like that would stick out and get in the way? Not keen on modifying the board unless I have to.

If you mount the BM on a sheet of ply, then you can use the wood screws (supplied) to screw the BM into the ply, then bolt the ply to the wall etc.. (I'm sure you get my drift..)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 29, 2013, 09:00:23 am
Guess that's a work around if I can't find an easier way.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 29, 2013, 12:24:46 pm
Colleague at work brought in one of these as a solution?

http://www.screwfix.com/p/fischer-nylon-hammerfix-6-x-40mm-pack-of-50/57635 (http://www.screwfix.com/p/fischer-nylon-hammerfix-6-x-40mm-pack-of-50/57635)

Reckon it would work?

Anyone want 44 of them? :)
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: rodma on August 29, 2013, 12:37:08 pm
Hi Chris

I used that type of fixing to fix ply to a brick wall, to which i then fixed the beastmaker. Iused 8mm 100mm long hammer fixings.

Are you sure that your garage is breezeblock and not concrete block? can you work out the thickness by measuring the doorway depth and subtracting the depth of facings etc.

If it is solid block, the type of fixings you have suggested are correct. B&Q sell smaller packs of them for a ridicuous mark-up. you'll need to ensure that they are long enough to get proper purchase in the block and if you are tring to use these straight through the beastmaker, you'll have to widen the pre-drilled holes first.



Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 29, 2013, 12:39:45 pm
Cheers, I'll have a look. Either cinder or concrete, either way I reckon that's the way to go.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: IanP on August 29, 2013, 03:03:30 pm
I would definitely recommend going for the ply to the wall / beastemaker to ply option.   A piece of suitable ply should cost less than £5 from a diy shop and fixing it to the wall allows much more flexibility for multiple and / or failed fixings than attaching the beastmaker directly.  Once the ply is attached fixing the beastmaker is trivial.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 29, 2013, 03:13:51 pm
hmm, you've got me thinking now. Add a a big sheet of ply with a few t nuts, a few holds... Shame there's an ankle snapping set of 3 stairs below.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: gme on August 29, 2013, 04:11:20 pm
I have seen less correspondence over building a new bridge over the Thames!!!

Modern man? :slap:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: SA Chris on August 30, 2013, 10:17:54 am
Wow Gavin, you are so rugged.
Title: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on August 30, 2013, 10:29:53 am
Sorry, have I missed something? Been moisturising..
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: Nibile on August 30, 2013, 02:03:28 pm
When I saw this thread resurrected, I was super excited. Maybe someone had done some incredible feat, trying to emulate which, I could spend a few months and get a few injuries and niggles?
Very disappointed now.
 :tease:
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: gme on August 30, 2013, 02:19:59 pm
Me as well but all we got was something from B&Qs DIY tips series for pensioners.
Title: Re: Beastmaker
Post by: tomtom on August 30, 2013, 03:59:21 pm
Me as well but all we got was something from B&Qs DIY tips series for pensioners.

Very pleased you said for and not from there ;)
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