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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by Tony on Today at 01:20:45 pm »
There are always opportunistic people with unsavoury/offensive/illegal views
Sorry to be pedantic here, but I’m pretty sure it is (currently..) legal to hold any view, just not always to publically write or say it , or make stickers
It was shorthand but since you seemed to have understood the point being made I think I need not add more.

FYI: it is illegal to incite hatred and there all sorts of public order offences around protests
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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by mark20 on Today at 01:15:42 pm »
There are always opportunistic people with unsavoury/offensive/illegal views
Sorry to be pedantic here, but I’m pretty sure it is (currently..) legal to hold any view, just not always to publically write or say it , or make stickers
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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners
« Last post by SA Chris on Today at 01:11:52 pm »
For me it wasn't a case of needing to raise money or it motivating me to do it, I just saw it as an opportunity to help an organisation that I strongly believe in (as did my gran who voluntarily manned the RNLI lifeboat shop until her mid 90s and died not long before i ran the race). Other people have other motivations. Do what you feel is right for you, but don't judge others on their motivations for challenging themselves.
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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by Oldmanmatt on Today at 01:06:50 pm »
I think maybe Mike's point is that even Jews who are out protesting against the war in Gaza don't feel safe if they don't join in with things like, say, "from the river to the sea..." (I certainly wouldn't join in with that; I'm not Jewish).

My brother lives in London and some people were celebrating in the streets in the wake of 7th October. He's also shared some graffiti that appeared in his local park: a spray-painted star of David with the word "scum" underneath.
Even pre-7th Oct in 2021 I had to report some stickers that had appeared in suburban West Yorkshire. A load of mad conspiracy shit, including one of the star of David and the words "Britain Is Under Occupation".

I’m fucking done with extremists of all stripes.
Protesting or fighting for basic freedoms and simple human rights? Crack on, I’m with you.
Rosa, wasn’t advocating the genocide or oppression of others, only the obvious injustice of segregation. Aka, protesting for basic human rights and freedoms.
Any right minded person can see the Oct 7th was wrong, just as the same person should see the subsequent response in the same light.
I work with a Palestinian who is ardently anti-Hummus (for the Google bots, I think he enjoys crushed Chickpeas). I know plenty of Muslims who are passionately anti-religious extremism, despite being devout.
Aside: I traveled to Amsterdam last Nov with an Egyptian friend, who became vocal and (frankly) embarrassingly confrontational, with some Dutch Muslims at immigration, because of how they were dressed and their obviously strict attitude to Islam. Arguing with them about whether theirs was a true interpretation of the Koran. Then endured a long rant about how “these people” discredit his entire religion and the people of the middle East in the taxi to our hotel.
I’ve heard all kinds of different opinions from Muslims regarding Israel and Palestine. Many that surprised me.
There is obviously a huge difference between various groups of Israelis, with the current situation massively protested there.
I’m becoming an anti-extremist, extremist…
(That’s a weak joke, not an actual position).
Fed up with idiots who think extreme acts will solve anything. They just make things worse and make resolution a pipe dream and the lives of ordinary people miserable.
Ultimately, idiots who provoke confrontation are just handing ammunition to those who would like to see all forms of protest eliminated. I absolutely draw a line between legitimate protest against injustice and advocating for discrimination or violence against A.N.Other group.


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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by Tony on Today at 01:06:37 pm »
I think maybe Mike's point is…

I think your and Mike’s points both conflate legitimate peaceful protest with bigoted and/or antisemitic behaviour.

There are always opportunistic people with unsavoury/offensive/illegal views who will try pervert a legitimate movement. These people don’t disappear by banning protests. You also have to weigh up the pros and cons of banning protests. It’s a pretty slippery slope to authoritarianism.

I would also highlight the very small number of arrests made at these protests relative to the number of protesters. (There are arguments that there have been too few arrests but, even multiplying by 10 is still small numbers.)
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news / Re: significant repeats
« Last post by ferret on Today at 12:46:46 pm »
Or maybe it was Janja reading Solly's UKC article!

https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2024/03/climbing_the_fontainebleau_big_five_in_a_day-73626

I was referring to him posting the article a month ago but the video a day after this discussion
Maybe the article inspired Janja which inspired this discussion which inspired Solly to post the video.
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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by mark20 on Today at 12:46:14 pm »
Even pre-7th Oct in 2021 I had to report some stickers that had appeared in suburban West Yorkshire. A load of mad conspiracy shit, including one of the star of David and the words "Britain Is Under Occupation".
the guy who made the stickers (but didn’t necessarily place them) is now in prison for 2 years
So the CPS at least take this sort of thing very seriously
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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners
« Last post by lukeyboy on Today at 12:35:55 pm »
That's an interesting perspective on it, thanks for sharing.

I guess anyone sponsoring you isn't funding your race but they are enabling you to get a place at all (given ballot odds are low) which I'd say is more valuable than the fairly reasonable £60 or so for your entry. In this sense you are quite directly benefiting from everyone else's charity.

It's a fair point about people sometimes needing a nudge/opportunity to donate to charity, though equally some people may be in a position of not really being able to afford to and feeling socially obliged.

I appreciate this a matter of personal opinion and that I'm very much at the 'the onus needs to be on the fundraiser to do something genuinely worth sponsoring' end of the scale.
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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners
« Last post by T_B on Today at 12:21:56 pm »
It depends how you communicate it.

I’ve worked in ‘Adventure Travel’ for 25 years so no-one is more cynical than me when it comes to people asking for sponsorship for eg their exotic holiday!

I ran London for myself but thought it was an opportunity to raise money. There are a lot of people out there who just need an excuse to donate to charity. You’re not pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes and it’s not like you’re asking anyone to fund your race. I do think with London there’s such a massive element to the event around charity that it’s a no-brainer to raise some cash (unless maybe if you do lots of other charitable work/fundraising in other areas).
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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by Will Hunt on Today at 11:53:52 am »
I think maybe Mike's point is that even Jews who are out protesting against the war in Gaza don't feel safe if they don't join in with things like, say, "from the river to the sea..." (I certainly wouldn't join in with that; I'm not Jewish).

My brother lives in London and some people were celebrating in the streets in the wake of 7th October. He's also shared some graffiti that appeared in his local park: a spray-painted star of David with the word "scum" underneath.
Even pre-7th Oct in 2021 I had to report some stickers that had appeared in suburban West Yorkshire. A load of mad conspiracy shit, including one of the star of David and the words "Britain Is Under Occupation".
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