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technical => computers, technology and the internet => Topic started by: account_inactive on November 23, 2007, 07:01:43 pm
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http://www.asuslaptop.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=Asus_Eee_PC_L
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4GB hard drive and 900 mHz processor? I doubt it...
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It runs on Linux. You can also plug in flash memory. Its about 23cm x 17cm
I'm not going to -ve Karma for not understanding reading more about these as I should have put in a link to the review
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49293507-1,00.htm
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Didn't check the size out as that's not usually what I think about with computers ;)
I did notice the Linux though, is that rare?
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I saw these reviewed the other week and am quite interested in them, they seem like decent specs for mobile computing and relatively cheap. I suspect that the development of this (and future products in a similar vein) has been instigated by the OLPC (http://laptop.org/) initiative. Was quite impressed and am seriously considering buying one (although have also been tempted by the OLPC buy one/give one initiative).
Didn't check the size out as that's not usually what I think about with computers ;)
There are different classes of computers, multi-processor grids, desktops and laptops and embedded systems. It sounds as though you assess computers based purely on the number of flops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flops) its capable of which is in my opinion ridiculous. A computer is a tool, and different situations require different tools.
A laptop should be portable. Over the years I've had a few different ones, and the one that I've kept isn't the highest spec (i.e. most "powerful"), its the most portable one, i.e. the smallest that allows me to connect to t'inter-web and do the things I need to do whilst on the move. If your serious about video editing or anything else that requires a bit more oomph your going to have a dedicated server/machine for doing it, not lug some brick around that tries and fails to have half the computing power of the behemoth that can sit under your desk.
As the "Web2.0" is slowly developing things seem to be moving away from the desktop to having your data and applications provided online, you therefore won't need massive computing power and hard drives, simply the ability to connect to the internet and the processing power that that entails. (Obviously there are security/privacy issues that each individual has to assess for themselves, etc. etc.)
I did notice the Linux though, is that rare?
Rare in what context?
There are millions of GNU/Linux users, hell, google even have a dedicated search engine to it (see here (http://www.google.co.uk/linux)), as they do for windows (http://www.google.com/microsoft.html), macs (http://www.google.com/mac.html) and BSD (http://www.google.com/bsd)
GNU/Linux is used all over the place on embedded systems. To cite a couple of examples of the top of my head....
Linksys (one of the most popular router manufacturers and part of Cisco) have used a customised GNU/Linux distro on their routers for years.
The Nokia 770 internet tablet uses an customised embedded GNU/Linux distribution.
Dell now provide the option to buy PC's with GNU/Linux pre-installed instead of Windows.
Morotorla, NEC, Panasonic, Samsong are all part of a foundation to develop embedded GNU/Linux systems (see Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_Linux) for more information). Even more detailed information/news on the range of embedded devices with GNU/Linux see here (http://www.linuxdevices.com/).
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Looks pretty sweet. Asus do some mint stuff and they are always spot on design wise
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It looks perfect for doing browsing/word processing/other low power stuff on the move. Small but not annoyingly small like a PDA can be sometimes.
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Would it be worth switching over to XP? and if so how well would this run. A big flash pen would probably boost the cache..............
I'm trying to figure out if it's worth just using Linux as most of the apps I would be using (word/movies/internet) are covered.
Thoughts?
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I see no reason why a good stripped down version of xp shouldn't work well on it.
I have no experience of linux but I'm sure slack-line will give you a 300 page essay on its benefits
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As it is part of my job to investigate new kit.... :great:...we recently ordered a few of these babies to investigate their possible use in schools. Should be with us soon. One thing we intent to do is try and put XP/Edubuntu/etc on one, and see what happens. I'll report back and if anyones in Shef and wants to see one in the flesh let me know.
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Would it be worth switching over to XP? and if so how well would this run. A big flash pen would probably boost the cache..............
I'm trying to figure out if it's worth just using Linux as most of the apps I would be using (word/movies/internet) are covered.
Thoughts?
A decent SD card (upto 32Gb, but pricey at that size) could boost storage capacity and might be less obtrusive than a flash pen (which would use USB slots), but this won't boost the cache per se. If there isn't an app already installed to do what you want then its relatively straightforward to install new (free & open-source) software.
The only disadvantages I can see to installing XP is that the site/reviews recommend going with the higher spec'd machine and at present you would have to buy XP separately (seems to be around the £80-90 for XP, which is very roughly 1/3 of the hardware cost!).
I have no experience of linux but I'm sure slack-line will give you a 300 page essay on its benefits
And here was me thinking I was being concise :) I don't have the inclination to write 300 pages anyway especially anyone can :rtfm: (well, not really the manual, but the tons of other Linux v's [whatever] articles that others have written ;) )
I see no reason why a good stripped down version of xp shouldn't work well on it.
One other thought is that Asus may well have customised the kernel for the hardware specification removing unnecessary bloat and reducing the amount of RAM it takes up (thus leaving more available for software). Obviously you could remove unnecessary software from XP, but how do you strip down the kernel being that they are closed source and only Micro$oft have access to this? Found this article on tweaking services (http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm) (although it suggests the performance gains are negligable) and goggling around on "XP kernel tweaks" suggest its to do with changing settings in the registry but having not touched windows in six or seven years I'm rather out of touch with these things.
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One other thing we may play with is putting Windows XP Embedded on one of these.
If you haven't heard of it it's a version of XP designed to run robots/kiosks etc.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/eval/xpe/default.mspx
As you can see here (http://download.microsoft.com/download/7/1/2/71252520-2bb9-43c3-891b-bc09bfdde152/DifferencesBetweenWindowsXPEmbeddedandWindowsXPProfessional.pdf) lots of 'vital' functionality has been stripped out such as:
- Windows XP tour
- Online product activation
- Out-of-box experience (welcome screens, setup wizards etc)
- Obsolete Windows Image Acquisition files
- MSN explorer
Yippee!!!
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Thread on the Asus Eee (http://www.eeeuser.com/) (.com so probably Asus showcasing their new product and enthused/disgrunteled owners).
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...and also a forum (http://forum.eeeuser.com/), includes discussion on getting XP running on it, as well as lots of linux geeks discussing getting their own distro installed or designing a custom distro as opposed to the Xandros (Debian based) distro which Asus have in fact paid licences for (albeit drastically cheaper than windows licenses).
One thing to note (not that many will care) is that Asus may be violating the terms and conditions of the GNU GPL as they've included a modified version of the wireless network driver in the kernel and are being rather reluctant to release the source code (see story here (http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15490/))
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Sweetness! Typing this on an Asus Eee PC. Only opened the box 10min ago so very much first impressions...
- Very cute
- Quite well built (for £200)
- Quite well specced (for £200)
- Screen is pretty small, definitely wouldn't want to use it all day. Although you can plug a monitor into it. Likewise, keyboard and touch pad are pretty small, but USB keyboards and mice should work, touch typing is a bit fiddly, currently annoyed that arrow up is where you expect shift to be, but this is a small point.
- This is an IDEAL first pc for a kid, and will go down a storm in primaries, especially for the cost. Definitely not a machine to be used all day, but as it costs less than most PDA's etc this is a great toy to bung in your bag and check the forums/email whilst sat in Starbucks/McD's/TheWorks[delete and replace with your local choice of free wireless supplier]
-Hopefully this will mean the end to stupidly overpriced UMPC's (£1000 anyone?)
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A few comparision shots between a MacBook, 15"MacBook Pro and the Eee PC. Tried uploading these from the Eee (the photo manager has an 'upload to Flickr... tool) but failed, may have been me rather than the machine.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2376/2068652074_0f77935f4b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2092/2068651882_1ba7651238.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2135/2068652148_c65d1da934.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2244/2068652248_147d7db66c.jpg)
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Must say it looks really good.
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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2244/2068652248_147d7db66c.jpg)
Is it me, or does it looks like one of those portable DVD players:
(http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/5334692A65UC231512X.jpg)
but an actual laptop?
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So after a bit of deliberation I went to Tottenham court and bought one of the few remaining. MicroAnvika (sp) sold out in 2 hours on their 1st delivery! So I paid an extra £10 which I guess I would have to pay in postage anyway.
1st impressions. WOW this (I'm typing on it at the mo) is a VERY small laptop. The build quality is amazing for the price. The OS is pretty shit as it feels like I'm using some sort of Fisher price toy. That being said it does have most of the software I would normally use. I'm going to put XP on here tonight (will post) as I don't really want to put a better version of Linux on (too much learning)
The keyboard is small and it's taking a bit to get used to. It's managed to pick up wifi very quick etc etc
So very very impressed for a second or travelling laptop
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I'm going to put XP on here tonight (will post) as I don't really want to put a better version of Linux on (too much learning)
You may find the forum I linked useful...
...and also a forum (http://forum.eeeuser.com/), includes discussion on getting XP running on it, as well as lots of linux geeks discussing getting their own distro installed or designing a custom distro as opposed to the Xandros (Debian based) distro which Asus have in fact paid licenses for (albeit drastically cheaper than windows licenses).
The default Xandros installation sounds rather crippled, but you can get away from this Noddy/Fisher price config (or so I read in a review, and I'm sure the forums have details on how to achieve this).
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I'm going to put XP on here tonight (will post) as I don't really want to put a better version of Linux on (too much learning)
Before you get XP on it, I highly recommend following at least the first bit of these instructions:-
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/11/06/eee-pc-tips-a-crash-course-in-linux/
There is a pretty much full version of Xandros Linux already installed, it's mainly limited by the 'easy mode' interface. The first section unlocks the 'full desktop'. Then it goes on to explain how to update stuff and install new applications. I'd never used Linux before but had it working pretty quickly. There's a couple of qlitches like 'confirm' buttons not being visable so you have to tab through to them and hope you get 'ok' not 'cancel'!
If you do proceed with XP we are going to have a play with either embedded (as mentioned before) or...
http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.html
Which should save quite a bit of space.
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these look really good, does anyone know if you can get a compatible ssh client? (Xstart or anything similar?) and has anyone had any experience using the os out of easy mode? It still looks a little downmarket on xp if i'm honest...
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I'm sure the upgraded version of Linux would be fine. I just want all my computers to be compatable having spent ages trying to work between a mac and a PC
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these look really good, does anyone know if you can get a compatible ssh client? (Xstart or anything similar?) and has anyone had any experience using the os out of easy mode?
it's got openssh-client installed.
others available like...
HSFTP
dropbear
Only used this for a couple of days in full desktop mode, and considering I'm no Linux expert probably not the best to judge. Pretty impressed so far, only limitations the screen size and keyboard as discussed below. got PhotoGimpShop, Audacity and a few games installed.
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Just realised my copy of windows is not sp2 so it goes to the BSOD when I try to install.
Having to download a new version...........
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I got a really got cut down version of xp sp2. was on demonoid but sadly this no longer exists
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I'm in the process of using nlite to downsize my copy.........
I think that tiny xp has plenty of bugs from what I gather
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It wasn't a tinyXP, I've tried a few out and all have been buggy except this one which works great
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Just finished the install :beer2:
Mangaged to cut down xp to the bare minimum and then installed the asus drivers
It's running very fast, but I'm yet to install any doc programs
Still very impressed :great:
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Nice. What have you left in?
would be keen to get a copy off you to try out
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Just finished the install :beer2:
Mangaged to cut down xp to the bare minimum and then installed the asus drivers
It's running very fast, but I'm yet to install any doc programs
Still very impressed :great:
Whats the boot time like? How does it compare to the default Xandros which (based on the reviews I read) was about 15 seconds?
How do other things compare like available disk space under each installation (with comparable software under both installs such as M$-Office/FireFox/PuTTY/etc.)?
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I find Putty to be pretty bollocks in general.
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I find Putty to be pretty bollocks in general.
Really, whats your beef with it?
I rarely use it these days as I touch windows about once every blue-moon (actually its slightly more frequent than that as the wife persists in sticking with windows so when something goes wrong I have to sort it out), but it has most of the basic functionality of OpenSSH (http://www.openssh.org/) which I use all the time between my work computer and home. It works well for a basic command-line ssh client and the complete bundle includes sftp and scp which are very handy for transferring things (securely). That said in the past I tended to just get work colleagues to install Cygwin/X (http://x.cygwin.com/) whenever they wanted to connect to my server.
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basically I tried using it in conjunction with xming to run Fluent (CFD software) which the university have on a unix system (iceberg). When doing this it won't open the GUI and just shows me a load of dots which is feck all use.
Xstart by hummingbird works perfectly, its annoying.
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basically I tried using it in conjunction with xming to run Fluent (CFD software) which the university have on a unix system (iceberg). When doing this it won't open the GUI and just shows me a load of dots which is feck all use.
Xstart by hummingbird works perfectly, its annoying.
Ahh okay. I guess thats more likely to have been a problem with xming though as thats the X server and the part which does the rendering for the GUI, putty just sits there and forwards the protocol, although obviously you've the experience . You must be at Sheffield University if your using iceberg (I use it too for work).
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I am...maybe it is xming, any good alternatives?
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I am...maybe it is xming, any good alternatives?
PM'd you some suggestions yesterday.
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(Thanks)
to bring this thread back on track: I saw dylan's eee pc the other night complete with its windows install, it looked really good and the switch on time is really quick although nowhere near as quick as the off time. It looked a shed load more classy in black as well.
Someone in my office ordered one after reading this thread...
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Now running one of our Eee's with an nLite-nd (get it?!) version of XP.
Stripped it down to about 200mb but then added hotfixes, and a few programmes like Firefox, AVG, Ccleaner.
Installed fine. Once it was up and running saw a large amount of the 4gig drive was being used, realized I still had hibernation running so turned that off, also experimenting with turning off the virtual memory(pagefile). Currently at 0mb and still seems to be running fine. Now XP is only using 1gig of the harddrive.
The only thing I did wrong was assumed that the built in webcam would have it's own driver so stripped out the windows default ones. D'Oh! Took a bit to get them back again, sorted now though.
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I'm sure dylan's machine was using way less than that but I may be wrong?
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I'm sure dylan's machine was using way less than that but I may be wrong?
Quite possibly, but I wanted to keep some standard functions like media player etc. You can definitely strip it down quite a lot more but you start to notice things are missing (like camera drivers) ::)
Boot time to login screen: 40s
shutdown: 14s
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Installed fine. Once it was up and running saw a large amount of the 4gig drive was being used, realized I still had hibernation running so turned that off, also experimenting with turning off the virtual memory(pagefile). Currently at 0mb and still seems to be running fine. Now XP is only using 1gig of the harddrive.
I was reading the eeeuser forums the other day and one strong thing that stood out was the fact that SSD's have a limited read-write life-time/cycle. So using it for swap/pagefile's is a very bad idea as the OS is then read-writing to the SSD and this drastically reduces the life of the drive. The default install doesn't have any swap partition (as is standard on Linux installs).
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Came across an interesting review of the Eee (http://hup.hu/node/48116), that had a short video showing Compiz-fusion (http://www.compiz-fusion.org/) (read: 3D eye-candy) running on the Eee after installing Ubuntu over the default Xandros installation. That I thought showed of the capabilities of the humble hardware quite well. Not bad considering there's not dedicated graphics card.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRP8fPcaSzI
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Anyone who's already bought one of these can now upgrade their RAM without voiding their warranty (http://usa.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=9223).
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any more feedback on these, especially running XP?
have ordered one, should be arriving today at some point.. am hoping to just use openoffice and other open source software to do what I need to but may 'have' to run XP at some point
also fancied sticking a bluetooth usb dongle in there + GPS puck and using it for satnav in the camper van
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any more feedback on these, especially running XP?
have ordered one, should be arriving today at some point.. am hoping to just use openoffice and other open source software to do what I need to but may 'have' to run XP at some point
also fancied sticking a bluetooth usb dongle in there + GPS puck and using it for satnav in the camper van
No feed back but a quick comment. If you want to use XP, then you will completely uninstall the Xandros Linux installation, I reckon you'd be hard pushed to get it dual booting. Thats not a problem as OpenOffice, Firefox and the majority of other OSS are available across platforms, but you will need to install them all yourself.
You may find the forums at eeeuser.com (http://www.eeeuser.com/) useful.
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If your careful with a soldering iron you can mod it lots including GPS. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/22/massive_eee_pc_mod/
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Looks like Elonex will be giving Asus a run for their money (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/19/elonex_guns_for_eee/).
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Looks like Elonex will be giving Asus a run for their money (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/19/elonex_guns_for_eee/).
HP seem to be jumping on the band wagon
Might be the better end of the market in terms of spec, and price!
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/hps-umpc-2133-revealed/ (http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/hps-umpc-2133-revealed/)
EDIT: Just found this too:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/review/2008/02/18/Vye-mini-v-S37B/p1 (http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/review/2008/02/18/Vye-mini-v-S37B/p1)
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Recent news:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/news/2008/03/04/CeBIT-2008-Asus-Shows-Off-8-9in-Eee-PC/p1 (http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/news/2008/03/04/CeBIT-2008-Asus-Shows-Off-8-9in-Eee-PC/p1)
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Looks like Elonex will be giving Asus a run for their money (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/19/elonex_guns_for_eee/).
I've had a brief play with a pre-production model of the Elonex One. First impressions weren't good. The keyboard does detach but as it's not touch screen it has limited functionality without it attached. When you do want it to stay attached it tended to drop off the models I saw. The connection looked extremely vulnerable. As well as build quality the One lacks many of the nice features of the Asus. There is no camera, SD card slot, monitor out port or built in mic. The software interface is not as polished as on the Eee.
There is cheap, then there is cheap. I wouldn't spend £10 on it as I saw it, let alone £100.
Reminded me of something like this from Argos/Vtech
(http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/161-3484441SPA68UC424976X.jpg)
....except not as well built.
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Keen to get one of the new Asus' when they come out, the better spec makes it more value for money and more functional.
Won't bother looking at the Elonex' if they're that shite, cheers Obi.
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/2550335787_a355c4a186.jpg)
Just taken delivery of this lot for some school projects! Unfortunately had to get the budget spent before the 9" versions were available, shame, still getting some more of them anyway.
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Just to briefly ressurect this thread I am currently browsing on my shiny new MSI Wind (well it's actually rebranded but it's an MSI Wind essentially) , and it's ace.
I'm no mega techie at all but it worked straight out of the box running XP, and is dinky and cute.
I managed to wangle mine for significantly less than the list price (£330 is RRP) and they are currently available in PC World (rebranded as Advent) for £270-ish
I'll report further as I use it a bit more but I would seriously consider it if you are looking for small mobile computing with a bit more storage than an Eeeeeeeeeee (well the earlier cheap ones anyway).
Seems to do well in reviews.
If anyone is thinking of getting one of these and had any questions ask away, although as I said don't expect techie levels of expertise....
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Just to briefly ressurect this thread I am currently browsing on my shiny new MSI Wind (well it's actually rebranded but it's an MSI Wind essentially) , and it's ace.
I'm no mega techie at all but it worked straight out of the box running XP, and is dinky and cute.
I managed to wangle mine for significantly less than the list price (£330 is RRP) and they are currently available in PC World (rebranded as Advent) for £270-ish
I'll report further as I use it a bit more but I would seriously consider it if you are looking for small mobile computing with a bit more storage than an Eeeeeeeeeee (well the earlier cheap ones anyway).
Seems to do well in reviews.
If anyone is thinking of getting one of these and had any questions ask away, although as I said don't expect techie levels of expertise....
Whats the battery life like? read a recent review and said good machine spoilt a bit by poor battery? Was thinking of getting one otherwise... T
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About 2 hours is what I'm getting out of it, which isn't great but to be honest I rarely use it without power so it's not really an issue for me. Otherwise brilliant little bit of kit.
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Since the Asus Eee started the trend for tiny mobile notebooks quite a few have come out.
A recent article at the Register (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/09/12/rh_bg_netbooks/) compared ten or so, and came with a handy PDF that compares the specs of the different models (http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/09/19/scc_table_3.pdf).
The Dell looks and sounds very nice and might be the one for me (when they get round to making it available without Vista :P)
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I thought Netbooks only ever came with Linux, or XP?
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That article says it's coming with Ubuntu.
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The Dell looks and sounds very nice and might be the one for me (when they get round to making it available without Vista :P)
Got one sat on my desk with XP (home!) on it. Looks quite nice.
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new one out next week, looks very nice
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/06/asus_eee_uk_release/ (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/06/asus_eee_uk_release/)
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Shick-a-dink. Might have a close look at one of these.
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Damn, the last article said it was to be released yesterday!
I'm in the market for a Netbook of sorts and I'm really struggling to pick EEE pc 1000HE, Del Inspiron Mini 10, Acer Aspire D150 10.1 etc... and now the EEE Shell.
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Yeah, not much to choose from on the specs. Anyone with hands-on experience post up please.
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Yeah, not much to choose from on the specs. Anyone with hands-on experience post up please.
I own a Samsung NC10. Had it for 4-5 months. Great. Cannot reccomend it highly enough. 6-8 hours battery - great keyboard - screen fine. Its replaced my previous full sized laptop (13" screen) no probs. Only £300 - 160gb HDD - upgraded the memory to 2gb.
Previously had a Dell mini9 - was 'ok' but unusable keyboard for anything more than two finger typing.
THe small form of the netbooks is great - ace for flights/trains esp when limited legroom. I can watch 4 hours+ of iplayer films on flight and still have battery left.
I use it for all my work - email, ppts, word docs etc.. and I write c# apps on it as well.
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I have to say the 1000 he looked like fischer price built it when I went into PC World. The Dell LOOKED the best but reviews are saying the 3g capability is a mixed blessing. The Acer has a great screen but the touch pads on all their models either have the keys to the left and right or are just plain shit.
PC World was quite funny, watching an assistant working out which was the lightest by picking them up. Trouble is, some didn't have the batteries in.
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Nice one, I had been looking at the NC10. Something slimmer would be nice, though I think the screen and keyboard will be clinchers for me. Will have to waste PC world's time comparing one day before buying on the net.
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I've got an Advent thingy (which is a pc world rebranded MSI thingy). I'm sure the newer things are whizzier and look cooler and all that but I have had no problems at all with it and would happily buy another one. It does everything I ask of it (which is mostly web stuff but I have edited video on it, although it really isn't ideal for this obviously). However battery life is not amazing, around the 2 hours mark.
The only thing I would say is I'm not sure I'd want a slimmer case (unless it was built out of something very flash and strong, and as such expensive), it's pretty dinky as it is and any thinner would be tres snappable IMHO. But then I'm not overly concerned with appearance or bleeding edge performance, I just wanted (and got) small, cheap and works.
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To muddy the waters further...............
I like my Toshiba (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,10382.msg185415.html#msg185415) very much. The Mrs finds the keyboard fiddly but then that's cos she can type properly and really quickly on a proper keyboard. I don't find it a problem.
Haven't upgraded the memory yet but for web browsing and doing bits and pieces of work it's very quick already. Had it running through the tv watching live football from one of those dodgy sites the other day and it worked a treat.
Haven't really tested how long the battery lasts but seems to be at least 3 hours which is fine for me.
As mentioned I like the fact that it doesn't look like a kids toy as well. Really smart.
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I had some spam from tesco direct yesterday - which had some pretty cheap deals in it - I think Jaspers Tosh was £239 - but might be wrong... T
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I went back to PC World tonight and the Acer D150 is currently winning with the 6 cell battery for about the best battery life. It's 100g more than the others and slightly fatter but that I can live with. The look of the Eee Pc 1000h would just frustrate me and I didn't get on well with the Dell's touchpad. Maybe the Eee Shell is the answer but I'm doubting there's likely to be anywhere to prod one for a while?
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I went back to PC World tonight and the Acer D150 is currently winning with the 6 cell battery for about the best battery life. It's 100g more than the others and slightly fatter but that I can live with. The look of the Eee Pc 1000h would just frustrate me and I didn't get on well with the Dell's touchpad. Maybe the Eee Shell is the answer but I'm doubting there's likely to be anywhere to prod one for a while?
Def have a look at the NC10. PC World had one in last time I wandered in.
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Not tonight.
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Not tonight.
My bad. It's Curry's on Chesterfield Road: Google Street View (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=s8+9ga&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=19.511067,44.824219&ie=UTF8&ll=53.355982,-1.477554&spn=0.004796,0.010943&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=53.355522,-1.478473&panoid=kNJ5S4YPg1MXK_RFZi7NnA&cbp=12,328.0366122826112,,0,5)
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Eee Shell is the answer but I'm doubting there's likely to be anywhere to prod one for a while?
Has anyone got a clue where these might pop up first?
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Eee Shell is the answer but I'm doubting there's likely to be anywhere to prod one for a while?
Has anyone got a clue where these might pop up first?
Due to go on sale on the 15th (http://www.slashgear.com/asus-eee-pc-1008ha-shell-arriving-may-15th-in-uk-0642942/), some places are already taking pre-orders (i.e. Amazon) (http://www.slashgear.com/asus-eee-pc-1008ha-up-for-uk-pre-order-3042403/) (NB Shell == Eee PC 1008HA).
Keeping my eyes open, as may be getting one for the wife (if they do it with Linux on, or even if they don't, I'll just install it :guilty:)
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Thanks slack---line delivery time 1-2 Months... Hmmmm Very Confused still.
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-eee-pc-1008ha-shell-gets-unboxed-0843236/ (http://www.slashgear.com/asus-eee-pc-1008ha-shell-gets-unboxed-0843236/)
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One thing I'm wary of though is that it has 802.11n wireless (as many other laptops do). The main problem with this is that the standard is yet to be ratified by the IEEE, so its subject to change, whether this is at the hardware or software level I've no idea, but it may mean that it won't work when the standard is finally ratified. :devangel:
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and I didn't have much luck with 'n' in my flat.. would I likely suffer the same?
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That could actually be the route cause, but its hard to say.
Might want to check out this little beauty (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/08/review_netbook_acer_aspire_one/). Looks good, decent size/price/spec too. I may have changed my wife's mind for her :)
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another one, slightly cheaper due out soonish
http://www.t3.com/news/hannspree-unveils-its-hannsnote-netbook-range?=38829 (http://www.t3.com/news/hannspree-unveils-its-hannsnote-netbook-range?=38829)
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I'm typing this from my nice shiny new AOD150. It seems great however;
- Why do manufacturers insist on putting so much crap on a computer even before you've got hold of it?
- Its all good and well to prompt me to make a backup disc but without an optical drive thats not so simple, put one in the damn box you cheap sods!
- (If you get the 6 cell battery, it protrudes a little more than the standard battery)
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(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/Acer001.jpg)
There's a pic of the ACER D150 with the 6 cell... I'm liking it a lot and the battery life is outstanding.
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I agree with Dylan
probeware (http://www.jssw.net/web_e/) Gillette razor (http://www.no1supply.com) Gate valve (http://www.asian-valve.com) ed hardy shirt (http://www.sogobiz.com)
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I agree with Dylan
probeware (http://www.jssw.net/web_e/) Gillette razor (http://www.no1supply.com) Gate valve (http://www.asian-valve.com) ed hardy shirt (http://www.sogobiz.com)
:spam: :off:
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Insta-ban.
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anyone used the newish eee PC 1000HE yet?
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(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/Acer001.jpg)
Careful there Paul, you might create a temporal paradox!
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In response to Jim's suggestion that all things Netbook should be in here rather than the MemoryBits thread, I'm linking my comment (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,12024.msg207703.html#msg207703) about a super cheap (£130) Acer Aspire One Netbook (http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Grade_A2-_Acer_One_A110L_netbook_in_Blue_A2-LU.S030A.096/version.asp). I thought it was super cheap, so got one. Yes it's not got a lot of RAM, but it's pretty tidy in all other respects.
I can recommend it for the price!
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@Drew : Installed Eeebuntu (http://www.eeebuntu.org/index.php?page=faq) on the Acer One last night, piece of piss.
Just follow the instructions here (http://www.liliputing.com/2008/12/how-to-install-eeebuntu-with-a-usb-flash-drive.html) to get the ISO (I went with Standard) onto a USB stick.
- Back up anything on the laptop that you want to keep to an external drive, you are going to wipe the HD
- Put the USB stick in and reboot the Acer One
- Reboot the Acer One and hold down/press repeatedly F12 on boot to get into the boot menu
- Choose to boot from the USB device
- Play around a bit
- Click on "Install" (can't remember where this was, but its fairly obvious
- Go through each self-explanatory step (with one exception, see below)
- Reboot when done and restore all your data.
The one exception is the partioning of the HD. Because the Ubuntu family (of which Eeebuntu is a member) is a binary based distribution it has 'releases' (that seem to get ridiculous names under Ubuntu, but thats by the by). The point is that you may want to upgrade to a newer release in the future. As with M$-Windows (which basically got the idea from *NIX systems originally) this can be facilitated by having your OS on one partition and your data on another (if the default Linpus install had been done like this then you wouldn't have had to back up your data).
My recommendation (and what I did with mine) was to reduce the current partition to 10Gb and set it to be root (which means its mounted as '/' in the pull down menu). I left the 1Gb of Swap partition (its like page-file under M$ and is used when RAM gets full, although its painfully slow), and the remainder of the partition I set to be mounted as '/home' which is where all the User files will be saved. Both partitions were formatted as Ext3 a journalised file system that is particularly robust and simple to recover from crashes.
Just ask if you have any questions.
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Just ask if you have any questions.
What's the minimum size I can afford to use as a partition for the OS? I've only got the 8Gb Solid State Drive, but will be getting a SDHC card for most files to be stored on.
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is the ssd 2.5" drive size? ie can you take it out and put in a normal laptop hard drive?
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To be fair I very much doubt its a true SSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) as even at 8Gb they come in at ~£40 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Index.aspx?NT=1-0-18-476-0) minimum (typically closer to >£100), more likely its a form of Flash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory).
Anyway, the live CD/USB that you boot from prior to installing is ~800Mb and if you never install another application you'll be fine with a 1Gb partition for the OS (installed into '/') and leaving the rest for '/home'.
You can try and find out exactly what hardware you have by using the command 'lshw' from a terminal. From the help page...
DESCRIPTION
lshw is a small tool to extract detailed information on the hardware configuration of
the machine. It can report exact memory configuration, firmware version, mainboard
configuration, CPU version and speed, cache configuration, bus speed, etc. on DMI-
capable x86 or IA-64 systems and on some PowerPC machines (PowerMac G4 is known to
work).
If its installed then simply type 'lshw -html > hw-list.html' and you will have the file hw-list.html that you can view in a browser with exceptionally detailed information on the hardware on your system. If its not in the default install it might be on the "live" disc that you'd be installing from, or after installation you can likely install it using the Synaptics package manager.
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Nokia are releasing a netbook (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/24/nokia_booklet_3g/).
And it sounds like the N900 'net tablet' (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/25/nokia_n900/) will help to further blur the line between computers and phones. Looks pretty 8)
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Netto have a netbook on offer (http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/cd96933d#/cd96933d/1) for £150 at the moment - might be of interest to someone?
1.2 Hz, 7 inch screen, 30GB hd, 1GB RAM, XP bla bla bla
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Netto have a netbook on offer (http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/cd96933d#/cd96933d/1) for £150 at the moment - might be of interest to someone?
1.2 Hz, 7 inch screen, 30GB hd, 1GB RAM, XP bla bla bla
I was in tesco's yesterday and they had £100 off a few netbooks...
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This is great. They really will be about £30 by the time I need to get one for the sprog (to break).
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He'll only be interested if it looks like a phone, but can play CDs
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..........and Spongebob.
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(http://ultragraphicsonline.com/onlinestore/images/spongebob.gif) (http://www.asseenontv.com/prod-pages/images/SpongeBobPhoneBackOpen.jpg) (http://www.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/26/5/AAAAAqUr-j0AAAAAACZQbg.jpg)
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And it sounds like the N900 'net tablet' (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/25/nokia_n900/) will help to further blur the line between computers and phones. Looks pretty 8)
Officially announced today (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/27/nokia_n900/).
I like Nokia phones + I love GNU/Linux == N900 for me :D
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/08/27/n900_01.jpg)
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/08/27/n900_03.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE)
Video makes it look well "smart" :bounce: Think I'll be looking to get one of these when my contracts up later in the year :bounce:
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back to netbooks.
I got my eee 1000HE a few weeks ago, I bought it 'openbox' from ebuyer cos it was a bit cheaper than brandnew and came with all full warrenty etc.. it was practically brand new
It had a graphics/screen fault so I sent it back and they sent me out another one that was actually brand new so saved a few quid there.
Anyway, I love it, the battery live is simple outstanding and it works great straight out the box.
I've just upgraded the memory to 2gb 800mhz and will be putting windows 7 on it in the next few days.
Question;
what is the best way to go about completely backing up the hard drive so I can restore it if I need to make another warrenty claim?
I think obi-wan recomended macrium reflect in another thread, has anyone used this? it seems fairly easy to back up, how do you go about restoring? does it create a bootable dvd or pendrive?
anydone it or recomend another bit of software?
cheers
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Sounds like you got a right bargain there Jim :thumbsup:
This little beauty from Dell gets a fairly decent review from El Reg (http://)
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/09/03/2100_3.jpg)
You can even purchase it free from viruses and save yourself £50 (http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/business/4x_latit_2100/fs.aspx?refid=4x_latit_2100&s=bsd&cs=ukbsdt1) (thats like twenty fuck alls you can spend on beer instead!).
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You can even purchase it free from viruses and save yourself £50 (http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/business/4x_latit_2100/fs.aspx?refid=4x_latit_2100&s=bsd&cs=ukbsdt1)
and I suppose you'll be telling me that the 80GB hard drive will give you just as much storage under Umbongo as the 160GB one will under XP?
;)
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Umbongo
;D
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Dell prices look ok until you see that they don't include delivery or VAT.
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Dell prices look ok until you see that they don't include delivery or VAT.
Looks a bit clunky too - and only 2 hours from the battery (standard) ouch...
Still very happy with my NC10.... seems to do more than the Dell, for less and is older :shrug: (apart from touch screen should you want one...)
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You can even purchase it free from viruses and save yourself £50 (http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/business/4x_latit_2100/fs.aspx?refid=4x_latit_2100&s=bsd&cs=ukbsdt1)
and I suppose you'll be telling me that the 80GB hard drive will give you just as much storage under Umbongo as the 160GB one will under XP?
;)
Well it depends on the block size you choose when partitioning your HD. If you go for a large block-size and only store very small bits of data (read files) then you'll find that because a block can't be shared between different bits of data you'll have lots wasted. If you were going to have lots of small files on a system then you'd do well to go for a smaller block-size to avoid wastage. Thus potentially there can be a lot of wasted disk space on any computer system.
And since when you buy a system pre-installed with M$-virus-ware you don't get the opportunity to specify the block size (although the same is true with the alternative, but its easy and free to re-install, choose your filesystem of choice and specify the block-size).
(https://themixingbowl.org/static/img/smilies/geek.gif)(https://themixingbowl.org/static/img/smilies/geek.gif)(https://themixingbowl.org/static/img/smilies/geek.gif)
Hadn't clocked the battery life was so poor, had looked at the six-cell option which is more reasonable. More usefully it indicates that you can haggle over the price in the review I meant to link above (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/07/review_netbook_dell_latitude_2100/page4.html).
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Hadn't clocked the battery life was so poor, had looked at the six-cell option which is more reasonable. More usefully it indicates that you can haggle over the price in the review I meant to link above (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/07/review_netbook_dell_latitude_2100/page4.html).
Having an 8 hour battery life is really useful... Couple of times I've gone to work and forgotten the charger, no problem. Transatlantic flights.. easy.. Just having it sat around thehouse means you dont have to worry about charging the thing up or having leads everywhere.. If you 100% the cpu it drops to c.3 hours but great for normal use..
I Like the idea of a touch screen though...
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Having an 8 hour battery life is really useful... Couple of times I've gone to work and forgotten the charger, no problem. Transatlantic flights.. easy.. Just having it sat around thehouse means you dont have to worry about charging the thing up or having leads everywhere.. If you 100% the cpu it drops to c.3 hours but great for normal use..
I Like the idea of a touch screen though...
Long battery life and touch screens are pretty much incommensurable given that the display eats roughly 1/3 of all power. The following (poorly constructed and unreferenced graph) is from the Gentoo Power Management Guide, clicky if you're geek enough to be bothered about tuning your linux systems for greater power management efficiency...
(http://www.gentoo.org/images/energy-budget.png) (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/power-management-guide.xml)
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Sounds like you got a right bargain there Jim :thumbsup:
This little beauty from Dell gets a fairly decent review from El Reg (http://)
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/09/03/2100_3.jpg)
You can even purchase it free from viruses and save yourself £50 (http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/business/4x_latit_2100/fs.aspx?refid=4x_latit_2100&s=bsd&cs=ukbsdt1) (thats like twenty fuck alls you can spend on beer instead!).
I've got one of those with the long life battery and touch screen. I was impressed with it until I saw a NC10. Still not convinced by the touch screen as it's not a 'tablet' in that you can't really write on it very easily. It is chunky especially with the big batt. The NC10 battery hardly sticks out at all, not sure how they have done it.
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how you getting on with your acer toby?
any one got any recomendations for cheapish net books with a slightly bigger screen (11"ish)?
my parents love my eee and can't put it down when they're round and I've got instructions to make it happen at their house
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how you getting on with your acer toby?
Good, prefer it to the work Dell. Not as good as an NC10 but half the cost. However Win7 isn't happy yet so may have to revert back to XP.
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what up with win 7 on netbook?
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I had problems building my eee 900 with win7 RC1 - it turned out it was because i had used a checked build. So happy with Ubuntu that I'm waiting for actual Windows7 before I bother again. Is this still october?
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Win7 worked fine on NC10. Smooth. The display brightness buttons dont work out of the box, but I suspect that could be patched/worked around. I'm just lazy and wanted to see how programs would work on it.
T
PS, anyone have a spare copy of OSX 10.5.6 they'd like to let me use/have/buy?
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PS, anyone have a spare copy of OSX 10.5.6 they'd like to let me use/have/buy?
Going for dual-booting (or tripple booting) with OSx86 then?
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PS, anyone have a spare copy of OSX 10.5.6 they'd like to let me use/have/buy?
Going for dual-booting (or tripple booting) with OSx86 then?
Yup :) could be quad booting if I went for Linux too ;)
I'll probably put it on a Dell laptop I have from work, as the wifi card on the NC10 has to be changed for OSX (otherwise a clean install apparently), and as its a works machine if I f*ck it up its no problem...
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Im using win 7 x64 RTM on my big computer and now on my HTPC with media center and apart from some codec issues relating to surround sound I can't really fault it - its great.
Will be putting win 7 x86 on my eee 1000HE when I get a spare hour or 2
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Hmmmm. Dual Core Netbook from Acer (http://www.trustedreviews.com/laptops/news/2009/09/10/Acer-Unveils-Acer-Ferrari-One--AMD-Congo-Based-Netbook/p1)
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I'm getting my daughter a netbook any minute now to replace her 3.5kg room heater of a P4 laptop, and wanted a bigger screen than 10". The Samsung NC20, Eeepc 1101 and acer aspire one 751 seem to fit the bill.
The 751 seemed really slow and a bit fragile (but cheaper), so heading towards the Samsung or the 1101. Any beta on these models or indeed Samsung? I'm inclined to the EeePC by reputation and battery life.
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my eee 1000he has amazing battery life, put windows 7 on it now and a 2gig ram upgrade as well and it runs like a dream although has only a 10" screen
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NC10 still going strong - 7 months old now, still feels fine. Not seen the NC20, but I'd certainly be happy getting another Samsung..
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Not tonight.
My bad. It's Curry's on Chesterfield Road: Google Street View (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=s8+9ga&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=19.511067,44.824219&ie=UTF8&ll=53.355982,-1.477554&spn=0.004796,0.010943&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=53.355522,-1.478473&panoid=kNJ5S4YPg1MXK_RFZi7NnA&cbp=12,328.0366122826112,,0,5)
Did anybody else notice the pikey masturbating in the foreground of this street view?????
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Nokia to release Netbook (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/09/nokia_booklet_germany/)
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/10/09/nokia_booklet_3g_resized.jpg)
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The new Nokia Booklet 3G will be a Windows-based machine
NokiaBlog (http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/08/24/nokia-booklet-3g-mini-laptop-unveiled/)
Sad but sensible, given the way Windows has replaced linux on every single commercially available netbook.
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The new Nokia Booklet 3G will be a Windows-based machine
NokiaBlog (http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/08/24/nokia-booklet-3g-mini-laptop-unveiled/)
Sad but sensible, given the way Windows has replaced linux on every single commercially available netbook.
Thats a circular argument though, being that netbooks came out as low spec , low budget devices. But people complained about not having windows, but Vista was too resource intensive to run smoothly, so the specs started increasing (although overall thanks to Moores law the price hasn't rocketed) just so that people could run windoze on them. Sticking windows on also bumps the price up by at least £50 (rough guess at OEM license)
Last night I saw someone in the Riverside just down from the Foundry using an Acer Aspire One, he'd ditched the default Linpus and gone with Kuki Linux which was handy as I've not been impressed with Eeebuntu on the Aspire One that I bought and am looking to switch.
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Last night I saw someone in the Riverside just down from the Foundry using an Acer Aspire One, he'd ditched the default Linpus and gone with Kuki Linux which was handy as I've not been impressed with Eeebuntu on the Aspire One that I bought and am looking to switch.
Which edition of Eeebuntu have you got?
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so netbooks got more powerfull for the sole purpose of running windows?
nothing to do with just technology getting better?
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Get with the program Jim, Linux is so amazing hardware requirements are going backwards. In two years Slackers will be running a 386. With moore's law running the other way he'll actually get paid to take it out of the shop. Suck on that Gates!
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so netbooks got more powerfull for the sole purpose of running windows?
nothing to do with just technology getting better?
Actually, I'm inclined to agree with Slackers on this one. The technology in Netbooks is pretty basic in comparison to modern day laptops (of similar prices). The only difference is the size, and power consumption. Yes the processors are impressive at how little power they consume, but in order to run Windoze these Netbooks have required more RAM (you can now get up to 2GB), bigger Harddrives (Windoze versions always have big, slow, noisy HDD's, instead of sexy, sleek, silent, SSD's). So really, Windoze has caused a step backwards in technology.
Caveat: When technology improves sufficiently that 256GB SSD's are financially viable, the dual-core low-power processors are finally integrated, and a cut-down version of Windows7 allows longer battery life, then the Windoze versions will be at the cutting edge. Right now, that edge, is pretty damn blunt. In fact, it's more like the Blind Date sloper!
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I think the future may be something like Android. I use my netbook for two purposes: 1. as a regular computer - word processing, spreadsheets, writing some programs some basic image manipulation and 2. As a glorified phone - for tweeting, quickly reading web pages.
For 1, I'm happy that it takes 30 seconds to boot etc.. because the task I want to do will take a while, and I'm happy with my MS applications for doing all of the above
For 2, I would like something thats on instantly (even in sleep/push mode) and for twittering and www any browser is good enough...
So I think theres a place for regular MS things (1) AND something thats really simple and quick - maybe this is a flavour of linux, maybe Android (is that linuxy?)
For what my opinion is worth, I think Linux has come along way since I last used it heavily (which was 7-8 years ago) but I still think its just not as easy to work with as the MS products. Maybe thats because everyone is more used to MS :shrug: I dunno, but thats how I see it. With the netbooks Linux had a real chance to reach out to the masses, and I think they've largely voted with their feet.... whether thats due to MS indoctrination or Linux just not being as good (however you define good..) I dont know...
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I've got to disagree strongly with some points here, you can run any OS on a SSD, I'm not sure what your trying to imply by your statement?
The main problem with SSD's is that they are very expensive and have a relatively short life span at the moment (which is why I don't have one).
I'm sure the technological improvements to make them cheap and long lasting are just round the corner when every netbook will have one (not just the $$$ ones) irrespective of the OS they run.
Having lots of memory isn't only benaficial for running your OS, its good for everything. I've got 2gig in my netbook, big deal. You can probably get 4gig.
I'm really not sure what point your making Drew? how is it a step backwards, they are faster, longer batteries, better resolution & brighter screens, quieter, infact everything that you would want them to be.
Tomtom - your happy for something to take 30 seconds to boot up? you must be the only one, 10 seconds is too long for me. I should be getting just under that when I've done a few tweeks. And I can have my netbook instant on (about 2 seconds) from sleep.
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SSD's are so expensive, that it's not financially viable to go for anything bigger than the 8Gb I've got in mine, but I wouldn't want a bloated OS (XP) filling up a massive portion of that, when I can have a slimline Linux distro which takes about half a gig. Also if a netbook had an SSD and a Windows OS, it would be very very pricey.
Memory is useful (I may well upgrade from 512Kb, to 1 or maybe 2 Gb, but if I was running XP, it would be deathly slow with any less than 1 Gb.
My point is that the Netbooks running XP, don't have the shiny new components like SSD's, as they would be far too expensive. They also require far more processing power, and memory in order to actually run, hence the Linux Netbooks can get away with lesser power, but newer technology. I may be focussing a little too much on SSD's, but they are (to my mind) the major factor in why a Netbook is a vast improvement over a standard Laptop. They require less power, they are (virtually) unaffected by dropping the Laptop, they are silent, they don't heat up to anywhere near the same extent as a HDD. To my mind, they ARE the difference between a Netbook, and a Laptop.
My just my 2 peneth worth.
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Get with the program Jim, Linux is so amazing hardware requirements are going backwards. In two years Slackers will be running a 386. With moore's law running the other way he'll actually get paid to take it out of the shop. Suck on that Gates!
:lol: I've been using the same desktop for eight years and have only just upgraded recently (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slackline/3971011395/#). The laptop I use (a Dell Lattitude X300 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slackline/3711714683/#in/set-72157621195245451/)) is a similar age and runs fine (its actually thin and small enough that I can't be arsed with getting netbook).
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Having lots of memory isn't only benaficial for running your OS, its good for everything. I've got 2gig in my netbook, big deal. You can probably get 4gig.
Yes lots of memory is good, especially when your OS hogs it all :P
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SSD's are good in principle, but not all SSDs are created equal... I looked into this a while back, and you have to watch the read-write rates, especially on the cheap ones. A friend has one of the earlier ee-pc****'s and its SSD really bogs it down - very slow on the read/writes.
Prices are coming down, amazon had 64gb for £120 - and a higher speed 32gb for £105... Nearly worth changing the HDD on this NC10 - but not yet!
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exactly, another 6 or 12 months and it'll be worth getting a SSD. I'll be putting them in every computer I own to run the OS off. For now they aren't really up to the task properly (except maybe some of the really expensive ones) and definately not worth the money.
8 gig SSD, its not really a proper SSD its just flash memory really. Mobile phones have more storage than that.
My copy of XP is less than half a gig and will happily run off 128 or 256 SD ram
running windows 7 on my old dell inspiron 1300 laptop which runs fine.
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My EEE netbook has a 20Gb SSD, I run a mega cut-down version of XP (I used nlite to get rid of all the bollocks windows shite), so it uses sod all ram. Think the XP install is now below 300Mb...
I love the SSD, it's the reason I bought the laptop. The machine is virtually silent and the standard basic battery lasts for 8 hours!
I am thinking of trying EEEbuntu on it though, I'm curious as to why Slack---line doesn't like it???
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My EEE netbook has a 20Gb SSD, I run a mega cut-down version of XP (I used nlite to get rid of all the bollocks windows shite), so it uses sod all ram. Think the XP install is now below 300Mb...
I love the SSD, it's the reason I bought the laptop. The machine is virtually silent and the standard basic battery lasts for 8 hours!
I am thinking of trying EEEbuntu on it though, I'm curious as to why Slack---line doesn't like it???
Sorry for the late reply.
Its not that I don't like it, but I had installed it on an Acer Aspire One (can't remember what model). I opted for the 3.0 Base install version which worked fine, but upon updating some of the software the wireless no longer worked. I did some "root"ing around and found that reverting to the 2.6.28-13-generic (http://forum.eeebuntu.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=3323) kernel resolved this initially, but subsequently other updates broke it again. This may be down to some of the changes in the suspend method, or the eepc-acpi-util modules (which sit in the system tray and are involved in managing config/power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acpi)). See posts in this thread (http://forum.eeebuntu.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3965&start=75).
Its actually not my netbook, I bought it for £150 and was going to punt it on on ebay for a profit, but my neighbour said he would have it off me, so I missed out on turning a profit, but am happy helping him with this tricky problem. The beauty of Linux is that there are so many different distributions, so I've switched it to Kuki (http://www.kuki.me) (another Ubuntu based distribution) which by default uses the GNOME wicd daemon/applet for managing network interfaces and it seems to be doing fine).
All of that said, as you have a true Eee netbook I reckon you'll be fine, but make sure you read the various HowTo's on upgrading that are mentioned in the threads I've linked, otherwise you might find things are broken.
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Cool - thanks for the links. Will get downloading a copy to try out.
The netbook originally came with another linux disty (can't remember which one), but I needed Photoshop CS3 on it and couldn't be doing with pissing around with WINE so just stuck a copy of nlite XP on it. Now however, I have CS4 on another laptop so was thinking of blowing XP away and going back to linux as the EEE is just used for surfing now.
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Got EEEbuntu running on my netbook, really liking it so far. And I didn't have any issues with WIFI after installing the updates, bonus!! :great:
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Just bought a Samsung N130 for the frau @ €250, though neither of us have the skills to make it lean and quick, yet.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41pDoTvg%2B4L.jpg)
Seems OK so far.
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Top Netbooks of 2009 (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/07/koy_2009_netbooks/) as reviewed by El Reg.
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Interesting project pre-Google Chrome OS, http://www.jolicloud.com/ (http://www.jolicloud.com/) invite only currently (still waiting for mine)
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Looks interesting, unusual to have an FOSS thats invite only, even when its still in development.
Unfortunately I expect Chrome OS/Android (or however it ends up) will dominate.
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Top Netbooks of 2009 (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/07/koy_2009_netbooks/) as reviewed by El Reg.
damn it!!!!
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I take it you've just bought one?
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no, i've only got the 2nd best notebook.
I' don't do 2nd best
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I have the older EEE901 and it's great (keyboard a little frustrating at times being so small).
More mobile phone/computing news:
HTC 2010 Android roadmap leaked (http://www.androidguys.com/2009/12/07/leaked-htc-roadmap-reveal-5-new-android-handsets-headed-for-t-mobile/)
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Link isn't working for me Tris?! :shrug:
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Ooops, sorry - updated now, thanks :)
More, bigger pics (http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/30036/htc-2010-road-map-leaks)
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Link isn't working for me Tris?! :shrug:
Here let me (http://tinyurl.com/yhaa6z4)....
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The Bravo looks the shizzle....
Under "Performance", there's just one handset - the very intriguing-looking Bravo, which will have a 1GHz Snapdragon processor, large 3.7-inch AMOLED touchscreen, a 16GB microSD card and 1400mAh battery. It's due to arrive in April.
It's labelled as HD ready, and should be able to capture 720p video through its 5.0 megapixel autofocus camera, which also comes with a welcome flash. It'll be packing Android, as well as an optical trackpad, and "Dolby" is listed under "special features", suggesting that high-end audio is also on the cards.
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4G goes live in Scandinavia today (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/14/lte_deployment/)
offering ten times the speed of 3G, promising speeds between 20 and 80 Mb/sec at 2.6GHz
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Interesting project pre-Google Chrome OS, http://www.jolicloud.com/ (http://www.jolicloud.com/) invite only currently (still waiting for mine)
Jolicloud is no longer invite only, a year ahead of Chrome OS. Installed on my Aspire One fine, automatically partitioned the HD and sets up dual-boot. Only had a brief play but looks nicely designed and quite intuitive.
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Interesting project pre-Google Chrome OS, http://www.jolicloud.com/ (http://www.jolicloud.com/) invite only currently (still waiting for mine)
Jolicloud is no longer invite only, a year ahead of Chrome OS. Installed on my Aspire One fine, automatically partitioned the HD and sets up dual-boot. Only had a brief play but looks nicely designed and quite intuitive.
That looks cool - am downloading...
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Interesting project pre-Google Chrome OS, http://www.jolicloud.com/ (http://www.jolicloud.com/) invite only currently (still waiting for mine)
Jolicloud is no longer invite only, a year ahead of Chrome OS. Installed on my Aspire One fine, automatically partitioned the HD and sets up dual-boot. Only had a brief play but looks nicely designed and quite intuitive.
I'm hoping its as easy to get off as it is to get on!
Why the hell doesn't it offer WPA1 in network manager? I had the same sh*t with Ubuntu and it being a faff with my broadcom wireless card on a previous laptop. Pre-beta I suppose but even so :spank:
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'Cause WPA is more than five years old? Providing your router is newer than 2006 theres no reason why WPA2 shouldn't be available as since then it has been mandatory to have WPA2 (http://www.wi-fi.org/news_articles.php?f=media_news&news_id=16) built in.
Might be worth looking to see if you can ditch Network Manager and install WiCD (http://wicd.sourceforge.net/) instead, its far superior and is the app of choice for most these days over Network Manager.
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'Cause WPA is more than five years old? Providing your router is newer than 2006 theres no reason why WPA2 shouldn't be available as since then it has been mandatory to have WPA2 (http://www.wi-fi.org/news_articles.php?f=media_news&news_id=16) built in.
Might be worth looking to see if you can ditch Network Manager and install WiCD (http://wicd.sourceforge.net/) instead, its far superior and is the app of choice for most these days over Network Manager.
WPA2 wasn't there either slackers... just WEP
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'Cause WPA is more than five years old? Providing your router is newer than 2006 theres no reason why WPA2 shouldn't be available as since then it has been mandatory to have WPA2 (http://www.wi-fi.org/news_articles.php?f=media_news&news_id=16) built in.
Might be worth looking to see if you can ditch Network Manager and install WiCD (http://wicd.sourceforge.net/) instead, its far superior and is the app of choice for most these days over Network Manager.
WPA2 wasn't there either slackers... just WEP
Thats wank!
Mind you I see little point to encryption anyway since with enough packets sniffed someone can hack you're network anyway (I've an application (http://www.symbian-freeware.com/download-barbelo.html) on my phone that does this). This doesn't mean that you're bank details will be stolen when using your laptop to do internet banking though as the connection the the banks server is made over Secure Socket Layers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security#SSL_versions_1.2C_2.2C_and_3). Simply that someone can piggy back on your network.
I try and avoid this by...
a) filtering MAC address' on the wireless router's access list
b) periodically checking to see if anyone's sneaked on and booting them off if they have
...which again is fallible as you can sniff the MAC address thats being used on my wireless devices and spoof it.
Ultimately any and all wireless networks are susceptible to piggy backing.
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Is there really a need for a specifc OS for netbooks anyway? This just seemed like Ubuntu re-arranged.
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Is there really a need for a specifc OS for netbooks anyway? This just seemed like Ubuntu re-arranged.
There tweaking is to get things optimised for the hardware, things like compiling packages with specific C-compiler flags that are optimised to the CPU's architecture, and including drivers that work with the specific wireless cards etc.
Sliming down on the package bloat that exists in binary distributions is beneficial too as it means less RAM will be used leaving more for actual work.
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Fair enough, the wireless splitter nonsense in Ubuntu did my head in.
The fact that my netbook is both more powerful and has more storage that my desktop probably clouds my judgement on whether anything needs slimming down for them ;D
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Why the hell doesn't it offer WPA1 in network manager? I had the same sh*t with Ubuntu and it being a faff with my broadcom wireless card on a previous laptop. Pre-beta I suppose but even so :spank:
I'm glad I held off from installing it - my older 3com wireless router uses WPA1 also.. thanks for posting this :beer2:
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OLPC tablet (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8428147.stm)
Looks pretty sweet, just hope its more successful than the original! :P
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These look pretty cool, the screen being the best bit... (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/354691/dell-mini-5-internet-slate-video-first-look)
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(http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/nec_hello_kitty_lavie_2x.jpg)
You know it makes sense! (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2007/jun/07/hellokittynot)
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The key part of the spec is obviously that it has 299 Swarovski crystals, rather than the Windows Vista Home Premium operating system, 1GB of memory, 100GB hard drive, or unnamed processor (a Mobile Sempron 3400+).
:lol:
It's shit and it costs over a grand!
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The key part of the spec is obviously that it has 299 Swarovski crystals, rather than the Windows Vista Home Premium operating system, 1GB of memory, 100GB hard drive, or unnamed processor (a Mobile Sempron 3400+).
:lol:
It's shit and it costs over a grand!
What do you mean its shit! >:( its PINK and has diamonds and hearts and everything...!
is 299 Swarovski crystals a code name for a new release of Linux?
;)
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It'd better be cos it comes with Vista.
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Nice colours, how long do you think it will take before the jewels start falling off from taking it out of a laptop bag? I give it 1 week :)
Oops - silly me, you wouldn't want to take it anywhere anyway!
Nice find Tom, I know you've pre-ordered it :whistle:
PS things looking good so far for tonight. Will text you later...
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I bought myself a packet of tutti fruiti and a tube of Bostick and decided to make my own! With the added bonus I can eat them if I get any blood sugar cravings...
Though I thought I was going to have to order one last night after MrsTT spilt 1/2 glass of Pinot Grigio over the laptop.. thankfully the lid copped most of it and it seems to be working fine after a night on the radiator drying off...
T
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Apple iPad unveiled (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/355114/apple-ipad-tablet-unveiled-at-last)
Already getting slated... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100127/tc_afp/usitcompanycomputermediaappleoffbeat_20100127225212) :lol:
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Google release images of their
iPad ripoff tablet pc (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/355237/is-this-googles-answer-to-the-ipad)
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HTC's first android phone supporting flash (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/355588/htc-desire-brings-flash-to-android)
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We had our Lenovo account manager in this morning. He showed us this (http://gizmodo.com/5440054/lenovos-ideapad-u1-is-one-smart-dual+processor-laptoptablet-hybrid) baby, looked pretty cool.
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We had our Lenovo account manager in this morning. He showed us this (http://gizmodo.com/5440054/lenovos-ideapad-u1-is-one-smart-dual+processor-laptoptablet-hybrid) baby, looked pretty cool.
Now that's clever. Google one looks good too, bet it doesn't cost $99 though, or whatever they said it will cost.
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this is in Aldi next thursday, looks like good value
http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/2827_13240.htm (http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/2827_13240.htm)
although as the owner of a 10" netbook, I wish I had bought a 12" netbook
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How come, Jim? I use the 10" whilst sat in front of the TV*, just for general surfing. The desktop is there for anything needing a bigger screen. What do you rue about your lack of 2"?*
*fnaaar fnaaar
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I've got the 10" asus 1000he and my mum has got the 12" version (1008ha or something), having used both, its just a much better screen size and makes it so much more usable. The perfect size for a laptop IMHO
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:agree: I also have an NC10 for sale if anyones interested...
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I suppose it depends what you're doing. Sitting looking at UKB (as I am now, and do most of my life) is fine on a 10" screen. I suppose if you have fat fingers the keyboard may a be a little on the small side. :lol:
I think if it was my only computer I'd go for a bigger screen, but as a 3rd computer/ boy's toy I find the 10" pretty good.
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i agree with what your saying but if you have used a 12" netbook you would wish you had bought one instead
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Seems like the Microsoft Courier (http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet) was another piece of vapour-hardware.
http://www.businessweek.com/idg/2010-04-29/microsoft-kills-courier-tablet-project.html (http://www.businessweek.com/idg/2010-04-29/microsoft-kills-courier-tablet-project.html)
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New Iphone demo goes well (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Technology/New-Iphone-4-Launch-Turns-To-Ifail-As-Tech-Glitch-Snafu-Embarrasses-Apple-Boss-Steve-Jobs/Article/201006215645670?f=rss) :lol:
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that did sound funny on the gaydian blog...
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Cisco joins the Android tablet scene with a unit aimed at teleconferences (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/enterprise/359089/cisco-tablet-targets-teleconferencing-execs)
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Yet another manufacturer joining the Android tablet scene (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/359206/lg-says-android-tablet-arriving-this-year)
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Chris Anderson and Michael Wolff are idiots.
What a load of shit
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I wrote this in a thread yesterday, but the majority of these "apps" are simply taking the HTML (i.e. Web) data and reformatting it for display within the application. If you remove the Web on which they are based the apps won't work.
Obviously email (IMAP/POP3 protocols) and Instant Messaging are outside this remit, but Twitter, Farcebook, BBC News, RSS Feeds, New York Times are simply doing this.
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Even I understand that.
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I agree with that, as there are two components that always need distinguishing style and content. All these apps are doing is change the style in which the content is presented, and as you highlight controlling what is/isn't presented.
But for the article to call this the decline of the web and say its dead is nonsense, you'd still need a method of marking up content so that it can be presented correctly and I don't see HTML being replaced anytime soon (although perhaps XML will increase).
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:agree:
shock news, Jim & Slackline agree on something relating to computers ;D
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I knew there had to be a small patch of common ground somewhere :hug:
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(http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/fainting.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/JoJo_LV_Lover2/Gifs/faint2.gif)
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The internet and its various protocols, be it POP3/IMAP/HTTP/FTP/RSYNC/GIT/etc. are continually evolving!
The web is indeed a layered system of hypertext markup language transferred from a server for display in a web-browser via its own hypertext transfer protcol with style/formatting often separated and specified by cascading style sheets (all CSS does is make it easier to control the formatting used in various html elements so that say <h1> is always a given font/size so css is really just html). Javascript is a clever way of changing html on the fly. PHP/Perl/Python/Ruby/etc. and other such scripting languages are all on the server side of things and are a smart way of getting data from databases/organised files and getting it formatted into html/xml, blah blah blah, I should get on with some work really :oops:
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You have quite the bludgeoning argument style, Slackers ...
Fish are still evolving but they have got a bit left behind since vertebrates decided to leave the water and have a go on land <or insert better Richard Dawkins type anecdote here>.
Ahh, evolution, another of my passions. I doubt you'd ever hear Dawkins saying something like that because whilst fish are indeed still evolving, they've not been 'left behind' as it implies that there is a goal/direction to evolution but there isn't, evolution is adaptation to changes in local environmental conditions. Fish haven't been 'left behind' because they are quite well adapted to the environment that they live in. Small changes are still accruing within a given population in response to changes in local environmental conditions (including other flora and fauna), but there is no goal other than to leave more off-spring (/copies of your genes) in the next generation.
Anyway, I'm not really trying to argue with you, its just that I thought the article was sensationalising nothing , but then thats always the case with journalism. All its really saying is that more people are using smartphones with their specialised apps for formatting viewing html instead of a traditional browser which is no surprise as ten years ago there were no such phones, and more recently there has been a big increase in the proportion of people who own and use smartphones, and in no way signals the death of the "web", just another facet to it.
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It would be interesting to see the same graph, but overall usage, rather than percentage.
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Some of the linked articles are worth reading too...
How the Web wins (http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/how-the-web-wins/)
Native v's web apps (http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/08/how-do-native-apps-and-web-apps-compare/)
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Also worth bearing in mind that the data is only based on US traffic.
Look at the world as a whole and you will likely see a very different picture.
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Probably been posted before but this is the first time I'd seen it (via Twitter):
Why the internet will never catch on (from 1995). (http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2010/02/27/newsweek-1995-buy-books-newspapers-straight-intenet-uh/)
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thinking about upgrading the netbook to a subnotbook.
contenders are
asus 1215N or the dell m101z?
anyone any experience of these?
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Jim, do you have any suggestions as to which netbooks are worth looking at right now? My folks are after something but the market seems huge.
Samsung N150 plus or somesuch? (Win7 starter would be beneficial as that's on their desktop!)
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I'd be amazed if anyone buys enough laptops from the plethora that are on the market to be able to give a balanced overview of whats good and whats not. Reviews are the way forward and I find the The Register Hardware Reviews (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=netbook+review+2010+site%3Awww.reghardware.com) to be fairly comprehensive.
The only laptop/netbook I've bought in the last ten years I tweeted you about, but got my wife earlier this year an HP DM1, keyboard is 92% of normal size (and small keyboard is most people's gripe with netbooks, certainly hers) but its still very slim/small and battery life is good (plus it came with some weird "7" OS on it that I wasn't allowed to remove).
She loves it and has been very happy, its had no problem connecting to home/any wireless network, powerful enough for browsing/word-processing/presentations/etc.. Not tried with photo/video editing, but then you wouldn't be considering netbooks if you were wanting to do this sort of stuff seriously (as you already know so I'll stop trying to tell you how to suck eggs).
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Jim, do you have any suggestions as to which netbooks are worth looking at right now? My folks are after something but the market seems huge.
Samsung N150 plus or somesuch? (Win7 starter would be beneficial as that's on their desktop!)
As I've said many times I find a 10" net book slightly too small. I got my parents the 12" asus ee pc (1201 i think) and they and I love it.
The 2 I have suggested above (asus 1215n or del m101z) seem to be the best price/performance available at the moment and I will probably by one of them in the near future
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ta (sausage fingers)