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technical => computers, technology and the internet => Topic started by: tomtom on April 25, 2012, 09:38:41 am
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Hello,
I'm a big fan of cloud storage/online backup being a dropbox user for a couple of years and having used Mozy/Carbonite for online file back up for 4 years or so... I've also been beta testing Bitcasa (which promised unlimited backup...)
But in the last day or two the market has shifted somewhat with first Microsoft revamping/launching/whatever its Skydrive product and Google releasing/updating etc.. google drive...
I've just been playing with skydrive this AM - and it installed and works fine on all my machines (inside and outside of various work firewalls) - any experience of the other? The pricing of the google and MS products look similar - and better than Dropbox for the 100gb options... (c.£3 month)...
TT
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Might be issues with Google Drive........
http://m.zdnet.com/blog/btl/how-far-does-google-drives-terms-go-in-owning-your-files/75228 (http://m.zdnet.com/blog/btl/how-far-does-google-drives-terms-go-in-owning-your-files/75228)
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Not tried anything other than Dropbox and Box (as the later were offering 50Gb free when they released their Android app). One feature I like of Box is that you can mount it as a local file system (under Linux at least, can't be arsed searching for the HowTo I followed as it wouldn't be of interest to anyone, but it involves using the devfs filesystem to mount WebDAV resources). Setting this up to periodically automount and sync with a given directory makes backing up hassle free and means there is no need to have a dedicated program open and running all the time.
With regards to Google Drive, you'll retain ownership, but Google can use anything you upload to Drive for promoting any of their services (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/how-far-does-google-drives-terms-go-in-owning-your-files/75228) presumably without remuneration.
On the plus side if anything the competition will push Dropbox & other services prices down :clap2:
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Google is clearly as bent as a nine bob note. Dropbox still works fine for me, so I'll be sticking with that for the timebeing. Plus it's easy enough to expand Dropbox free storage - my current 5+ gb is more than enough.
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Just clocked on Twitter that you may be able to get 25Gb free on SkyDrive (https://twitter.com/#!/reghardware/status/195070916034699264) if you sign up soon. No other links I'm afraid.
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Nice one slackers, I just did that.
EDIT - bollocks, Sky Drive app doesn't work on XP. No use to me as my work PC runs XP and is unlikely to change any time soon.
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windowslive/forum/skydrive-files/not-valid-win32-application-when-installing/8c93833f-4fd5-45ff-a0b0-bca5c3221fa5 (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windowslive/forum/skydrive-files/not-valid-win32-application-when-installing/8c93833f-4fd5-45ff-a0b0-bca5c3221fa5)
File size upload limit using the website is 300GB but 2GB using the app.
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Thanks for that Slack
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Just clocked on Twitter that you may be able to get 25Gb free on SkyDrive (https://twitter.com/#!/reghardware/status/195070916034699264) if you sign up soon. No other links I'm afraid.
a couple of clicks and that's sorted
thanks for that Slack-man
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Nice one slackers, I just did that.
EDIT - bollocks, Sky Drive app doesn't work on XP. No use to me as my work PC runs XP and is unlikely to change any time soon.
Worked my XP machine. I was already signed-up, unbeknown to me, perhaps this matters?
Thanks slackers.
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I was already signed up. You managed to download the app on an XP machine?
The website works but you can only upload files up to 300MB whereas if you download the app that increases to 2GB.
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I was already signed up. You managed to download the app on an XP machine?
The website works but you can only upload files up to 300MB whereas if you download the app that increases to 2GB.
Ah no - not the app. - just increasing the storage capacity. A 300Mb limit is a hobble but when I finally join the 2010s computing world I hope I will be able to download the app. and the 25Gb will still be waiting for me...
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Can't seem to find this free 25GB. Assume offer has expired?
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Click "Sky Drive" click "manage storage". Shows the options for upgrading. If the free one's not there any more then presumably it's expired cos that's where it was.
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Aye, its gone. Got the upgrade on me Julie's existing account, but no option when I signed up.
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I've not read this fully yet, but it looks like a decent comparison of cloud storage services (http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/24/2954960/google-drive-dropbox-skydrive-sugarsync-cloud-storage-competition)
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I've not read this fully yet, but it looks like a decent comparison of cloud storage services (http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/24/2954960/google-drive-dropbox-skydrive-sugarsync-cloud-storage-competition)
First I've seen that includes SpiderOak too (have installed on computer & phone but not used, which is why I've not commented on it).
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Well, I've susbscribed to the 100gb skydrive option.. (107 including the free 7gb...) and its uploading now... I tried that and the Gdrive and preferred the way skydrive worked... I also wasnt too sure what Google were saying about the ownership/being able to look at the data etc.. Perfect for me, as I have range of docs, files, programming shit scattered accross three machines at the moment - and I can now keep in one place and share etc...
Anyway, seems to be a bargain at £30.50 for a year... I feel a bit for Dropbox as they are 7-8 times more expensive now - and have a great product.. Maybe they should have taken up on those Apple takeover offers when they were on the table...
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I think Dropbox is brilliant, I'm using it for so many things now - just a free account and running two businesses through it. All they need to do is introduce a cheaper deal (who needs 100Gb - 25 would be ample) and I think they'll stay top.
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Not tried this but clocked it on another forum I post on as to how to maximise your Dropbox free storage....
Here's a tip: A few months ago, Google sent me a £75 AdWords voucher that I had no use for. Instead, last week I made some Dropbox ads with my referral link, each signup gets you +500MB. Bumped up my referral bonus to the maximum +16GB available, used up £6.08 of the credit. So now have 24.88GB free, which includes some other one-off bonuses (including the "getting started" bonus).
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£30 for 107gb is really cheap.. Having paid c.£80 for 50mb Carbonite backup in the past and £100 yr (soon to expire) for Unlimited Mozy back up - the MS deal is a bargain..
The only issue I have is that its linked to windowslive/hotmail username/passwords etc.. which dont have the best of records. Still theres nothing there of any use to anyone and it keeps cached versions on the PC's etc...
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Still worth checking out the skydrive 25GB thing btw, seems like I must have clicked on skydrive at some stage wondering what it was because when I checked today, it turns out I'm apparently a 'loyal skydrive customer' (with no files uploaded) so deserve free space!
For xp/linux users, it looks like the skydrive is usable without the program (or the web interface) by adding as a mapped network drive. Seems a bit hit and miss, (mostly miss at the moment), will edit this if I ever get it working...
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How Clean is Your Cloud (http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/climate-change/cleanourcloud/Clean-our-Cloud-Report/) (via a link from Stubbs).
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One feature I like of Box is that you can mount it as a local file system (under Linux at least, can't be arsed searching for the HowTo I followed as it wouldn't be of interest to anyone, but it involves using the devfs filesystem to mount WebDAV resources).
Just clocked this as a method of mounting Box shares under Win7 (not tested by me)....
Windows7 install:
My Computer - Map network drive - choose a custom network location.
Type: [url]https://www.box.net/dav[/url] or http://www.box.net/dav
If everything goes well, you’ll get a popup window asking you for your credentials. Type your username, which is the email you use to log in to Box.net, as well as your password.
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Good knowledge Mr Slack.
I've just tested this and it works using https://www.box.com/dav
The strange thing is that it's showing: 6.74GB free of 34.9GB but if I log in via box.com it's showing the real picture which is 752k used of 50GB. Weird.
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Partition size/usage is mis-reported under Linux too, but read-write works fine so I've not been too bothered.
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And you can also grab an extra 3Gb of space from Dropbox (http://blog.dropbox.com/?p=1165).
Upload some really large pictures then delete them to use the space for something else. :2thumbsup:
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This might be of interest to somebody. Using your Box storage as a free incremental backup solution. This assumes Windows 7 but I'm sure it'll work on other flavours too.
- Grab Netdrive (http://www.netdrive.net/) (free for home use) and follow this guide (http://technativity.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/connecting-to-boxnet-with-netdrive.html) to mount your Box storage space as a normal windows drive.
(I know you can just mount the Box space as a network drive (see posts above) but if you do that then Crashplan can't use it, it needs to think it's a local drive)
- Now grab Crashplan (http://www.crashplan.com/). Crashplan is free for use with local folders and other computers.
- Setup Crashplan to backup whatever you want and select the Folder option. Select the drive that is mounted with your Box storage.
- Voila, 50GB of free incremental backup space. Crashplan is a "set it and forget it" app that will just perform backups as required.
I'm sure this will be possible with other cloud services too so you could build up space as required.
Edit - this doesn't actually work. Crashplan reports it has backed up but box rejects the backup file due to the individual file size. Am working on a solution with other backup services...
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A windows version of rsync (http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp) would probably work mounting box.net as a network drive (it certainly works under Linux).
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Dropquest II (http://blog.dropbox.com/?p=1194) quiz/comp to bump up your free Dropbox storage.
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This might be of interest to somebody. Using your Box storage as a free incremental backup solution. This assumes Windows 7 but I'm sure it'll work on other flavours too.
Edit - this doesn't actually work. Crashplan reports it has backed up but box rejects the backup file due to the individual file size. Am working on a solution with other backup services...
If you don't know about it already I've used Karen's Replicator (http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp) to backup to network drives. It replicates the file structure rather than have a backup file. I'll try it myself when I can.
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Aye, its gone. Got the upgrade on me Julie's existing account, but no option when I signed up.
25gb is back on offer. Me and the misses signed up last night.
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Further if you don't see the upgrade straight away when u join. use it once (put a document in) and come back to it. You'll get the 25 gb offered then
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Edit - this doesn't actually work. Crashplan reports it has backed up but box rejects the backup file due to the individual file size. Am working on a solution with other backup services...
If you don't know about it already I've used Karen's Replicator (http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp) to backup to network drives. It replicates the file structure rather than have a backup file. I'll try it myself when I can.
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As does the rsync solution I posted (and its efficient, only syncing the portions of files that have been modified).
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I forgot to update the above post, Crashplan works happily with Google Drive, as there's a 10gb file restriction. That said, I'm only backing up 3gb of data so far.
Will check out the other things you've posted.
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As does the rsync solution I posted (and its efficient, only syncing the portions of files that have been modified).
Missed that, thanks, I'll have a look
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Should highlight that I've only successfully used rsync under Linux (no M$-Win system to try it on, so there may be subtleties that crop up).
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Owncloud.org (http://owncloud.org/)
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The Rolling Stones - Get Off of My Cloud (1967) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3F4GmbHl5g#)
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Anyone tried this?
http://www.mypcbackup.com/ (http://www.mypcbackup.com/)
Just found it while googling so I've no idea if it's any good but it looks like unlimited free storage and automatic updating of files..... which sounds good.
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I wouldn't trust them if they can't even design a proper website. I use Zovo.co which was free for the first year then about £20 I think. But I'm also a bit wary of them so tend to only upload photos and music, keeping docs backed up elsewhere.
Something that occurred to me a while back is a brilliantly simple scam would be to create a free 'secure' online back up service, and just nick personal and financial details from the files people upload to you. And if i've thought of it I'm sure plenty of crims have already.
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Ta.
This looks as if it will be a useful read when I find the time to get round to it:
http://www.cloudpro.co.uk/iaas/cloud-backup/2839/choosing-online-backup-service?page=0,0 (http://www.cloudpro.co.uk/iaas/cloud-backup/2839/choosing-online-backup-service?page=0,0)
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Having had a quick skim of those reviews, this looks good:
http://www.livedrive.com/ForHome/#CompareProducts (http://www.livedrive.com/ForHome/#CompareProducts)
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Having had a quick skim of those reviews, this looks good:
http://www.livedrive.com/ForHome/#CompareProducts (http://www.livedrive.com/ForHome/#CompareProducts)
Sounds like Zovo is a reseller which uses the Livedrive back end.
http://www.onlinebackupdeals.com/livedrive/zovo-online-backup-launched/ (http://www.onlinebackupdeals.com/livedrive/zovo-online-backup-launched/)
They are quite a bit cheaper than Livedrive so may be worth a look.
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Indeed they are, nice one.
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Yet another option Sugarsync (http://www.sugarsync.com/index.201205a.html) (applications for mobile devices available).
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Went with Zovo which is part way through uploading and backing up all my shit for £20 a year.
Already been really really useful as just now I was able to log on at a client's and get some figures from another client's tax return which I needed to send to someone.
;D
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Excellent :) Yup cloud storage is the mutts nuts for me.. I've been able to share folders with co-workers, and Skydrive (other brands are available) makes a nice montage for contents of photo folders if you want to share them (and a download all option for the person viewing...). All in all making my life easier... :)
Now if it were able to mark these 8 essays for me before 4:15 so I could go to the pub....
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Share files upto 2Gb quickly and easily with a very simple clean interface with WeTransfer.com (https://wetransfer.com/).
(/via Ray Wood on Twatter)
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I've also been beta testing Bitcasa (which promised unlimited backup...)
BitCasa (http://www.bitcasa.com/) still offering unlimited storage (currently free, but due to change "Starting in early 2013, Bitcasa will remain free up to 10 GB, or $10/month for infinite storage.")
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So Google have given me free cloud storage for 20,000 songs, which frees up space elsewhere nicely. Presumably this is a loss-leading ruse to try to sleepwalk me into using an iTunes style music player which is actually a shop?
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Thtas the way I've read it.
Nicely thought they provide what they say 20,000 song storage. So I've backed up most (but not all as some exceed the individual files size) 16yrs of Essential Mixes, tons of other >30minute mixes, plus the ~6500 tunes I've ripped myself.
Worth noting there may be some issues with backing your own tunes up though, as they use a form of song matching, so if there is an existing version of a song you are backing up then it doesn't upload your version and instead uses theirs. This means you may end up with sanitised versions of your music (http://www.droid-life.com/2012/12/24/googles-scan-and-match-feature-isnt-a-fan-of-explicit-music/).
Still for less than one fuck-all I'm not complaining.
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Bitcasa was log in Beta (12 months ago) couldn't run .exe's in its folder.. Probably all been sorted now but I gave up and got Skydrive instead.
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Rumour has it skydrive is going to do something similar for mp3's stored on it..
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Bitcasa was log in Beta (12 months ago) couldn't run .exe's in its folder.. Probably all been sorted now but I gave up and got Skydrive instead.
I can think of good reasons not to permit executables to run from network drives. It should be read/write only.
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Thanks Kim....50Gb Free (http://www.mega.co.nz)
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Thanks Slackers
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OwnCloud (http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/24/meet-owncloud-5-the-open-source-dropbox/)
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BitTorrent Sync (http://labs.bittorrent.com/experiments/sync.html)
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That's not cloud storage though is it, or am I missing something? Just syncs between two machines?
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That's not cloud storage though is it, or am I missing something? Just syncs between two machines?
I think the idea is that it is like cloud storage - but stored on many many computers around the world (like torrents etc..)
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No, I don't think it does that either unless you own and sync many, many computers. It just uses torrents to sync between you computers.
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Quick question for all Cloud loving people on this thread.
What do you put on Cloud storage?
Do you trust the security?
bkb...
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Quick question for all Cloud loving people on this thread.
What do you put on Cloud storage?
Do you trust the security?
bkb...
Everything. Yes.
Far more secure and safe than having everything on a spare HDD in a cupboard... imho
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Yeah I've been backing everything up to Zovo for nearly a year now. It's excellent.
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Yeah Zovo seems to be working well for me to. I also have been using my Skydrive for some specific tasks. I got the free 25gb upgrade so have been using the desktop sync tool to upload. The only downside is you can't current schedule to sync overnight (when my connection is unmetered). If you didn't get the free upgrade the standard size of Skydrive is 7gb which is less useful but still worth having.
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That's not cloud storage though is it, or am I missing something? Just syncs between two machines?
If one of the devices is server space in the cloud (e.g. Amazon S3 or similar) then you have your data backed up in the cloud.
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It'll be great for private, secure p2p networks for file-sharing between mates, etc.
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Far more secure and safe than having everything on a spare HDD in a cupboard... imho
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Been worrying about backups and have a hdd somewhere on a shelf with a 1 year old back up on. I'm using dropbox and google drive for work stuff but would really like a proper full cloud backup...
Yeah I've been backing everything up to Zovo for nearly a year now. It's excellent.
Taaadaaaa - :great:
Just signed up and got a free account (by recommending on Faceache - see http://zovo.co/social/ (http://zovo.co/social/) )
Cant wait to get it set up tomorrow and get everything backed up.
Is it particularly memory/cpu intensive - I find having both dropbox and google drive running is starting to slow things down.
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Zovo looks awesome but I wonder why it has such a low profile - e.g. hard to find recent reviews, no comparisons to the big backup services, fairly inactive twitter account, etc. Just makes me wonder if they'll still be about in 5 years time.
I went for Crashplan which so far has been great on the (luckily) few times I've needed to find a file that I thought had been lost for good. It is however £150 to backup with no space / number of computer restrictions so a lot dearer.
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Copy (https://www.copy.com/home/)
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Copy (https://copy.com?r=NQvH6G)
Better still use the above modified link or this one (https://copy.com?r=NQvH6G) and you get an additional 5Gb (and so do I for each referral).
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people still happy with Zovo?
anything else I should consider?
We use the free space on Google drive and Skydrive for photos, but I could do with a shed load more space to backup my video files
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I'm still using Zovo and it's great.
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I'm still using Zovo and it's great.
Me to, although I did read they were having problems. Their twitter support feed has been pretty quiet lately. I imagine if they did stop trading we would be given the option of moving accounts to Livedrive. Remember like any backup to try restoring something from backup every now and then, otherwise its not a backup.
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If you have a onedrive (formerly Skydrive service) and paid to get more than the free allowance the price has just been halved...
But the real bonus is that if you subscribe to Office365 - you get 1TB of onedrive rolled in for free... masses.
(I think thats £59 to 79 a year depending on how many PC's)
(if you are in education its £59 for 4 years sub to Office 365)
(you also then get the full iOS/Android office aps for your tablet)
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Hmm aren't you all at all concerned about 'the man' reading all your data? :whistle:
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Hmm aren't you all at all concerned about 'the man' reading all your data? :whistle:
Nope. I'd rather she/he read it than me lose it all by spilling tea on my laptop (as happened in the past). I suspect they could (and can/have) whether or not I use cloud storage...
Don't worry - I've heavily encrypted the pictures of you and Lagers hot-tub session....
(http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2009/11/9/10/fifteen-fat-people-in-a-hot-tub-10851-1257781868-2.jpg)
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(that looks a little like a chubby Shark grinning on the left.... ;) )
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Hmm aren't you all at all concerned about 'the man' reading all your data? :whistle:
Nope. I'd rather she/he read it than me lose it all by spilling tea on my laptop (as happened in the past). I suspect they could (and can/have) whether or not I use cloud storage...
Germany may bring back typewriters in wake of spy scandals (http://www.newsweek.com/germany-may-bring-back-typewriters-wake-spy-scandal-259140)
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Yes but I'm an academic not a politician. :P interesting concept though - apparently each machine has unique characteristics so if a types memo is copied they can tell where it came from...
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Those with a Livedrive account might want to read this... oops...
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/27/livedrive-facing-legal-action-after-closing-cloud-backup-accounts (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/27/livedrive-facing-legal-action-after-closing-cloud-backup-accounts)
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Carbonite (http://www.carbonite.com/)
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I used Carbonite from beta onwards for a few months.. meh.
Might have improved vastly of course...
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Only threw it in the ring as I'd not heard of it and someone on another forum was considering it (value seems good).
meh.
Can't say I get particularly excited about any cloud storage myself.
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Only threw it in the ring as I'd not heard of it and someone on another forum was considering it (value seems good).
meh.
Can't say I get particularly excited about any cloud storage myself.
Indeedy.. I've still got 80% of my 1TB of onedrive empty (I even populated it with MrsTT's extensive kitten and hen do photo collection..)
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I'll admit to having been fairly excited about Dropbox at times, just because it's so damn good.
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Anyone got any recent recommendations regarding online backup services? Been using Zovo for a couple of years for £20 a year but they were always a bit of a fly by night reseller, they sent me an email with a invoice to renew but there is now obvious way on the email or website to pay them! (other than signing up as a new customer). They aren't responding to emails so tempted to ditch them and use someone a bit more established.
Backblaze looks good for not much more ($50/£35 per year). Also I have access to an unlimited Google Drive so might have a play with Google Sync and that, anyone doing similar?
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New price plan for encrypted SpiderOak One Cloud storage (https://spideroak.com/solutions/spideroak-one)
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Daplie your own personal cloud (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/daplie-the-cloud-system-to-take-back-the-internet#/)
Although it doesn't solve the problem of off-site backup storage and is really just a home NAS which has been configured to allow you to access it remotely.
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My wife has a question that I have no idea about but we reckon the good folk of UKB will have the knowledge. Here it is:
"I have 8GB of files in dropbox but want to transfer them to Onedrive. I've signed up for the £1.99/month Onedrive subscription for 100Gb of cloud storage which should be more than enough but I'd like to know the easiest way to transfer files from dropbox to Onedrive? And is there a method I definitely SHOULDN'T use?!"
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My wife has a question that I have no idea about but we reckon the good folk of UKB will have the knowledge. Here it is:
"I have 8GB of files in dropbox but want to transfer them to Onedrive. I've signed up for the £1.99/month Onedrive subscription for 100Gb of cloud storage which should be more than enough but I'd like to know the easiest way to transfer files from dropbox to Onedrive? And is there a method I definitely SHOULDN'T use?!"
Easiest way would just be to have a machine that's signed in to both the old dropbox account and the new onedrive account then copy and paste from the dropbox folder to the onedrive folder. The limiting factor will be upload speed to onedrive, if you're in a rush you could take your laptop somewhere with a fast internet connection.
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Perfect, thanks Remus. That's what she'd suspected but just wanted to check she wasn't missing something obvious.
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I've got about 120GB of guidebook material backed up to a one drive account whose annual subscription is coming up for renewal. It'll be £60 which feels like a lot for an Office subscription I no longer really need and a backup which I rarely ever touch. I can't bump down to the cheaper plan without deleting a load of stuff (the limit is 100GB) so I'm looking for a cheaper alternative.
Google have cheap cloud storage options for infrequently accessed data called Coldline or Archive storage but these options look geared towards commercial operations.
Any suggestions?
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I've got about 120GB of guidebook material backed up to a one drive account whose annual subscription is coming up for renewal. It'll be £60 which feels like a lot for an Office subscription I no longer really need and a backup which I rarely ever touch. I can't bump down to the cheaper plan without deleting a load of stuff (the limit is 100GB) so I'm looking for a cheaper alternative.
Google have cheap cloud storage options for infrequently accessed data called Coldline or Archive storage but these options look geared towards commercial operations.
Any suggestions?
Have you stored in uncompressed or as a zip file? If the former, you may be lucky enough that compressing it drops the size suitably for qualifying for the 100GB version
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Google Drive:
https://one.google.com/about/plans?gclid=Cj0KCQiAnfmsBhDfARIsAM7MKi0qyQGmk9Dr4O2RpoPN3ZstXPM8_cg1No9rtKA29tWwyV0JPvv8atAaAtQVEALw_wcB
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Thanks both. Drive is such an obvious solution :slap:
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Open offer to anyone involved in guidebooks or similar: feel free to drop me a line if you need help with anything like this in future. I'd be happy to sort out some sort of archival storage option via climbing-history.org, as long term preservation of this kind of material is something Im pretty interested in.