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Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: ferret on June 04, 2019, 05:10:45 am
I would put it on sale
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: shark on June 04, 2019, 09:18:07 am
They are bags that have designs inspired by chalk bags rather than intended for use as chalk bags which is presumably ‘hot right now’ because of Free Solo
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on June 04, 2019, 09:24:39 am
True climbers only buy from the Derelicte Range.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mrjonathanr on June 04, 2019, 11:08:43 am
Looks good- but where does the toothbrush go?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on June 04, 2019, 11:11:49 am
 >:( :sick: :blink: :shit: :wall: :furious:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2019, 11:32:21 am
ebay bargain

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUTHENTIC-UNUSED-LOUIS-VUITTON-Monogram-Chalk-Backpack-Bag-Blanc-Canvas-M44616/333208979365?hash=item4d94cd87a5:g:iNEAAOSwrk1c536E

Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on June 04, 2019, 11:59:23 am
At least twelve year behind Japanese street fashion. I saw plenty of chalkbags used has handbags in ~2007
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on June 04, 2019, 12:11:00 pm
There's literally no subject that you can't one-up with a personal anecdote from another country is there jwi?  ;D
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on June 04, 2019, 12:30:43 pm
touché
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: danm on June 04, 2019, 03:25:44 pm
This isn't new by any stretch. Back in the late 80's a couple of my early climbing buddies went clubbing in London, and for a laugh wore rockboots, chalkbag and brightly coloured climbing tights. To their astonishment, a couple of other people there were similarly attired - turned out it was briefly rather fashionable. Real climbers doing it probably cusped it, as Grimer would say.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Coops_13 on June 04, 2019, 03:59:22 pm
I saw a guy walking round Denver the other day in punter climbing shoes, didn't look like a climber or he'd been / was going climbing.

But, you never know...
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mrjonathanr on June 04, 2019, 05:52:03 pm
This isn't new by any stretch. Back in the late 80's a couple of my early climbing buddies went clubbing in London, and for a laugh wore rockboots, chalkbag and brightly coloured climbing tights. To their astonishment, a couple of other people there were similarly attired - turned out it was briefly rather fashionable. Real climbers doing it probably cusped it, as Grimer would say.

Liverpool EBs sold a few ermm.. EBs to scallies for poncing about on scouse dance floors back in the 80s
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on June 04, 2019, 07:18:47 pm
touché

I, for one, am proud of you.

“Never let the grass grow under your feet” is a motto worth living by.*





* It’s just a shame that thing about “rolling stones” and “moss” is equally valid...




Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on June 04, 2019, 07:22:18 pm
Looks good- but where does the   toothbrush rolled up £50 note go?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on June 04, 2019, 07:25:51 pm
This isn't new by any stretch. Back in the late 80's a couple of my early climbing buddies went clubbing in London, and for a laugh wore rockboots, chalkbag and brightly coloured climbing tights. To their astonishment, a couple of other people there were similarly attired - turned out it was briefly rather fashionable. Real climbers doing it probably cusped it, as Grimer would say.

Liverpool EBs sold a few ermm.. EBs to scallies for poncing about on scouse dance floors back in the 80s

I remember an older scout, turning up for a night hike in EBs (circa 1978/79) and deriding our cheapo Black’s hiking boots and being pretty cocky about these “Fell running boots” he’d found on holiday in the Lakes. Us Cornish mini-bumkins were right impressed by these newfangled, lightweight, hiking boots; until somewhere around 20minutes into the hike when we turned off the road onto the grassy slopes of Rough tor...

Much giggling was to ensue.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: moose on June 04, 2019, 08:44:51 pm
I saw a guy walking round Denver the other day in punter climbing shoes, didn't look like a climber or he'd been / was going climbing.

But, you never know...

Perhaps he was entering a strongman competition, they sometimes wear climbing shoes. Unbeknownst to you, he walked around the corner and started to drag a truck.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Coops_13 on June 04, 2019, 09:27:58 pm
I saw a guy walking round Denver the other day in punter climbing shoes, didn't look like a climber or he'd been / was going climbing.

But, you never know...

Perhaps he was entering a strongman competition, they sometimes wear climbing shoes. Unbeknownst to you, he walked around the corner and started to drag a truck.
Hmm, looked to me like he'd just stumbled out of the local weed shop...
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on June 05, 2019, 09:38:07 am
I saw a guy walking round Denver the other day in punter climbing shoes, didn't look like a climber or he'd been / was going climbing.

But, you never know...

Perhaps he was entering a strongman competition, they sometimes wear climbing shoes. Unbeknownst to you, he walked around the corner and started to drag a truck.

Or lift Atlas Balls.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 06, 2019, 09:52:58 am
Hmm, looked to me like he'd just stumbled out of the local weed shop...

climber
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tomtom on September 05, 2019, 08:07:59 am
The golfer was weirder...
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on September 05, 2019, 08:18:01 am
The golfer was weirder...

I don’t want to know.

Naked Alex Honnold quite put me off my muesli.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tomtom on September 05, 2019, 08:30:55 am
The golfer was weirder...

I don’t want to know.

Naked Alex Honnold quite put me off my muesli.

Did you spit your nuts out?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on September 05, 2019, 09:01:20 am
The golfer was weirder...

I don’t want to know.

Naked Alex Honnold quite put me off my muesli.

Did you spit your nuts out?

I did.

All too fruity for 07:30 hrs.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on September 19, 2019, 04:39:55 pm
Imagine paying £215 for these. (https://www.ralphlauren.co.uk/en/climbing-chino-489659.html)
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on September 19, 2019, 04:42:25 pm
Oh my god there’s a tie too. (https://www.ralphlauren.co.uk/en/wool-tie-462246.html?dwvar462246_colorname=Navy%2FYellow&webcat=search#q=Climbing&lang=en_GB&start=1)  :lol:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: shark on February 22, 2020, 11:01:20 am
Sport Climbing Barbie released by Mattel in advance of Tokyo Olympics

https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2020/02/tokyo_2020_olympic_sport_climbing_barbie_doll_launched-72211
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tomtom on February 22, 2020, 04:48:06 pm
Sport Climbing Barbie released by Mattel in advance of Tokyo Olympics

https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2020/02/tokyo_2020_olympic_sport_climbing_barbie_doll_launched-72211

They did a good job. Looks just like you Shark 😃
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on February 22, 2020, 06:04:16 pm
Sport Climbing Barbie released by Mattel in advance of Tokyo Olympics

https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2020/02/tokyo_2020_olympic_sport_climbing_barbie_doll_launched-72211

I showed this to my 14 year old, climbing obsessed, daughter.

Eye roll of the century.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on February 24, 2020, 09:29:54 am
https://www.bananafingers.co.uk/chalk-accessories/black-diamond/nail-clippers

Kind of fits here. Amazing thing is they are out stock.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: HarryBD on February 24, 2020, 10:20:16 am
https://www.bananafingers.co.uk/chalk-accessories/black-diamond/nail-clippers

Kind of fits here. Amazing thing is they are out stock.

Reminds me of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCvlCv1YDmM

I wouldn't mind spending a few quid on nail clippers if they aren't made of cheese but I really don't need a logo on there
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mark s on February 25, 2020, 10:00:08 am
Climbing and climbers have changed in my time out.
Im just glad the people i know and climbed with still hold on to the climbing i know and remember.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on March 06, 2020, 06:08:19 pm
Not so much weirdness, but very mainstream

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/sports/olympics/olympics-climbing-adam-ondra.html
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tomtom on March 06, 2020, 07:05:44 pm
Not so much weirdness, but very mainstream

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/sports/olympics/olympics-climbing-adam-ondra.html

Really good read that.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: crzylgs on March 06, 2020, 10:20:02 pm
I'm about half way through the article and Ondra's neck has been mentioned four times  :clap2:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 29, 2020, 04:56:55 pm
Not specifically climbing but somewhat....outdoorsy....and does seem to feature chalkbags...

https://launches.endclothing.com/product/crocs-x-nicole-mclaughlin-campsite-classic-clog-206905-blk?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=launches-crocs-x-nicole-mclaughlin-campsite-classic-clog-206905-blk
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Coops_13 on October 29, 2020, 05:00:05 pm
That is horrendous - let's see how many different objects from a christmas cracker we can put on a croc...
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: HarryBD on October 29, 2020, 05:26:36 pm
Trying to imagine how tricky it’d be to move on a bearing in those
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on October 29, 2020, 05:38:32 pm
Trying to imagine how tricky it’d be to move on a bearing in those

The way my back feels in the morning these days, I’d have no problem.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: JamieG on October 29, 2020, 05:47:28 pm
I've seen that designer's stuff before, she does lots of this sort of stuff not limited to just climbing/outdoors clothes.

https://www.instagram.com/nicolemclaughlin/?hl=en

I think it is supposed to all be a bit ridiculous and tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 29, 2020, 05:53:06 pm
Top pranks and jolly japes! That any small child could come up with....
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tomtom on October 31, 2020, 11:10:03 am
Not really weirdness - but this is probably the best place for this to go :)

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/oct/31/country-diary-boulderers-make-the-most-of-the-rocky-terrain?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on October 31, 2020, 11:46:49 am
Not really weirdness - but this is probably the best place for this to go :)

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/oct/31/country-diary-boulderers-make-the-most-of-the-rocky-terrain?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Double figures!

Who the Fark’s climbing F10’s? (I’m fairly certain the Ramp isn’t a V5)...
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tomtom on October 31, 2020, 11:53:27 am
Jim Perrin penned it.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Johnny Brown on November 02, 2020, 01:57:50 pm
Digiulian now drives a Bentley to the crag (https://www.bentleymotors.com/en/models/new-bentayga.html#5e0778e20c3d144dda1ec22e0f182f4d). Apparently. Is she wearing AP in there? Is that really the market?

Also, listed in must close during lockdown:

Quote
indoor and outdoor leisure facilities such as bowling alleys, leisure centres and gyms, sports facilities including swimming pools, golf courses and driving ranges, dance studios, stables and riding centres, soft play facilities, climbing walls and climbing centres, archery and shooting ranges, water and theme parks

Putting the result to one side for a moment at least it's proof that climbing has the attention of Whitehall.  :lol:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on November 02, 2020, 02:04:39 pm
Good spot.

A Bentley SUV no less  :lol:. Definitely the Greta Machaffie approved cross-America road trip ride.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wil on November 02, 2020, 03:19:14 pm
Quote from: Bentley
undefeated PanAmerican Champion since 2004

What's this all about? I had a look and it's actually a quote from her own website. Did she take part once and then never again?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Johnny Brown on November 02, 2020, 05:14:31 pm
No idea, but this is what she's wearing for comps this season (npsfw):

https://instagram.com/p/CE7AqMqAGjJ/

It's a relief this is all considered empowering nowadays and not just smutty dfbwgc fodder.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on November 02, 2020, 05:16:23 pm
It's a relief this is all considered empowering nowadays and not just smutty dfbwgc fodder.

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wil on November 02, 2020, 06:37:46 pm
Quote from: Bentley
undefeated PanAmerican Champion since 2004

My pedantry got the better of me and I had to look this up (which is actually quite difficult as the IFSC results database is so poor). It seems she was undefeated in the PanAm Youth Championships from 2004-2010. Naturally, being now an adult she will retain her undefeated status forevermore. It was interesting to see how many interviews trotted out different versions of this line without any context.

It led me to this excellent Americanism:
Quote from: some writer
Holding the world title for PanAmerican champion since 2004
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: shark on November 02, 2020, 08:37:13 pm
No idea, but this is what she's wearing for comps this season (npsfw):

https://instagram.com/p/CE7AqMqAGjJ/

It's a relief this is all considered empowering nowadays and not just smutty dfbwgc fodder.

I don’t get it. Mainly it’s just ridiculous. Also is it the case that wearing lingerie is meant to be sexy but simultaneously not objectifying at the same time? Can someone explain it to me to bring me up to date.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Doylo on November 02, 2020, 09:12:47 pm
No idea, but this is what she's wearing for comps this season (npsfw):

https://instagram.com/p/CE7AqMqAGjJ/

It's a relief this is all considered empowering nowadays and not just smutty dfbwgc fodder.

I don’t get it. Mainly it’s just ridiculous. Also is it the case that wearing lingerie is meant to be sexy but simultaneously not objectifying at the same time? Can someone explain it to me to bring me up to date.

Rest your brain OldBoy, it’s just attention seeking as usual.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy_e on November 02, 2020, 10:09:06 pm
Also is it the case that wearing lingerie is meant to be sexy but simultaneously not objectifying at the same time? Can someone explain it to me to bring me up to date.

A woman, by choosing to wear an item of clothing that makes her feel good, does not objectify herself. Only other people can objectify her.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on November 03, 2020, 07:08:56 am
Also is it the case that wearing lingerie is meant to be sexy but simultaneously not objectifying at the same time? Can someone explain it to me to bring me up to date.

A woman, by choosing to wear an item of clothing that makes her feel good, does not objectify herself. Only other people can objectify her.

Just so.

Also, if you ever get worked up about what clothes people wear: don't.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on November 03, 2020, 11:44:27 am
No idea, but this is what she's wearing for comps this season (npsfw):

https://instagram.com/p/CE7AqMqAGjJ/

It's a relief this is all considered empowering nowadays and not just smutty dfbwgc fodder.

I don’t get it. Mainly it’s just ridiculous. Also is it the case that wearing lingerie is meant to be sexy but simultaneously not objectifying at the same time? Can someone explain it to me to bring me up to date.

Had to Google what dfbwgc stood for; glad that's been consigned to history.

I think the lingerie thing works in two different ways. For one, women should be free and empowered to wear whatever they want / nothing at all, without being objectified or held up as sex objects by others. For two, athletic / muscular women are sexy / attractive. Which is kind of contradictory when it's paraded out in this way, trying to do both simultaneously, but there you go.

I think that's it anyway.

Doylo is probably on the money too.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 03, 2020, 11:52:28 am

Had to Google what dfbwgc stood for; glad that's been consigned to history.


Likewise. That thread should be scrubbed from the internet.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Steve R on November 03, 2020, 08:54:00 pm
Also is it the case that wearing lingerie is meant to be sexy but simultaneously not objectifying at the same time? Can someone explain it to me to bring me up to date.

A woman, by choosing to wear an item of clothing that makes her feel good, does not objectify herself. Only other people can objectify her.
:lol:
For a slightly different (read coherent and sane) view on objectification, this is a copy and paste from an ex forum contributor:

"wearing anything or doing anything doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Melanie Klein describes object - relations theory which summed part of this up followed by the interpersonal psychiatry of Harry stack Sullivan.  We are all objects that only exist in relation to others.
Hence when a tree falls in the woods with no one there to hear it, it doesn’t make sound."
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy popp on November 04, 2020, 07:27:17 am

Had to Google what dfbwgc stood for; glad that's been consigned to history.


Likewise. That thread should be scrubbed from the internet.

Heartened some newer members didn't even know what that thread was; embarrassed that getting rid of it took so much debate.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on December 06, 2020, 04:31:39 pm
https://latticetraining.com/product/lattice-the-send-blend/

For fucks sake! Prime candidates for ad space in London Climber though.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Coops_13 on December 06, 2020, 04:34:16 pm
Pretty sure I saw someone on IG post about some enriched coffee from physivantage. Can’t find it know and there weren’t details of what was added

Edit: Sadly it's just coffee: https://physivantage.com/products/send-blend-coffee?_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJyb3NzYWNvb3BlcjkyQGdtYWlsLmNvbSIsICJrbF9jb21wYW55X2lkIjogIkhTNThKYiJ9
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on December 06, 2020, 05:19:11 pm
You’d think they’d at least throw some beetroot juice in there.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: 205Chris on December 06, 2020, 06:36:53 pm
 
https://latticetraining.com/product/lattice-the-send-blend/

For fucks sake! Prime candidates for ad space in London Climber though.

Drink the kool-aid!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mark20 on January 12, 2021, 08:54:22 am
The North Face x Gucci

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78wHAsOPNRs

Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Motown on January 12, 2021, 10:41:28 am
Like something out of Zoolander. The outdoors is so hot right now.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: M1V0 on January 12, 2021, 11:00:23 am
I liked the kayaking section the best, such speed considering they are only putting their paddle in the water on one side of the boat! Amazing how they keep in such a straight line too.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on January 12, 2021, 11:11:28 am
Where do you start? Is that genuine, or some April Fool type thing?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: galpinos on January 12, 2021, 11:24:18 am
I quite enjoyed it. Bonkers enough you know it's not meant to be realistic, quite liked the general vibe.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on January 12, 2021, 12:20:27 pm
I quite enjoyed it. Bonkers enough you know it's not meant to be realistic, quite liked the general vibe.

Are you kidding?

It’s deadly serious, they’re not just going after the Outdoor market, they’re following Hugo Boss into the Nazi uniform market.
Their Outdoor/Nazi/Paramilitary/tactical crossover range is ace! Half the crowd at the Capitol insurrection were dressed by Gucci!

Check out these two badass Operators, snapped mid-insurrection, deep inside the Capitol:

(https://i.ibb.co/SdP8PQ0/C57-C4049-4290-4-DD6-B27-D-28-BF15951-C0-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQHGHsm)

Edit:
Back in the ‘80s, my first wife had an uncle that dressed almost identically.
He was allowed home, with a carer, one weekend a month and holidays.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: highrepute on January 12, 2021, 12:59:10 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/SdP8PQ0/C57-C4049-4290-4-DD6-B27-D-28-BF15951-C0-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQHGHsm)

Some good marrows in that pic!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: AMorris on January 12, 2021, 01:12:36 pm
I don't hate the shoes though, gotta say. Waiting for the inevitable So ill Gucci collab so I can bust them out down the wall
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Yossarian on January 12, 2021, 01:19:41 pm
I want all of it, starting with the tent and the rucksack..
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: lagerstarfish on January 12, 2021, 01:51:04 pm
Reminds me of my wife's request for a decent rucksack that she wants to wear (ie doesn't look like sports equipment)   

(Troop London was the answer I won with)
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on January 12, 2021, 02:00:24 pm
Troop London

 8) Are Travel Fox still going?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on January 12, 2021, 02:00:57 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/SdP8PQ0/C57-C4049-4290-4-DD6-B27-D-28-BF15951-C0-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQHGHsm)

Is that... Is that a Raj style pith helmet? I can't figure out whether getting a black model to wear such a thing is empowering or awful.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: casa on January 12, 2021, 02:12:41 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :o :o :o :o :o
 :(
Seriously, is that for real ?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: csl on January 12, 2021, 02:33:12 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/SdP8PQ0/C57-C4049-4290-4-DD6-B27-D-28-BF15951-C0-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQHGHsm)

Is that... Is that a Raj style pith helmet? I can't figure out whether getting a black model to wear such a thing is empowering or awful.

No, it's this bucket hat https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/women/accessories-for-women/hats-and-gloves-for-women/bucket-and-sun-hats-for-women/cotton-fedora-with-gucci-label-p-6271744HK021400
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: AMorris on January 12, 2021, 02:38:07 pm
For a while I was wondering how on earth they made Stephen Merchant look a normal height.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on January 12, 2021, 03:11:53 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/SdP8PQ0/C57-C4049-4290-4-DD6-B27-D-28-BF15951-C0-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQHGHsm)

Is that... Is that a Raj style pith helmet? I can't figure out whether getting a black model to wear such a thing is empowering or awful.

No, it's this bucket hat https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/women/accessories-for-women/hats-and-gloves-for-women/bucket-and-sun-hats-for-women/cotton-fedora-with-gucci-label-p-6271744HK021400

Colonial-era bucket hat. Roger that.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on January 12, 2021, 03:26:19 pm
I want all of it, starting with the tent and the rucksack..

Surprised LNDN CLMBR aren't all over this, the look for the Shoreditch Boulderer.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tomtom on January 12, 2021, 03:34:24 pm
I want all of it, starting with the tent and the rucksack..

Surprised LNDN CLMBR aren't all over this, the look for the Shoreditch Boulderer.

I did forward the link to their editorial board - but they must have been having a whole grain chai latte break at the time and missed it...
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: macca7 on January 12, 2021, 04:11:00 pm
What the absolute fuck is any of that.........
The world is officially coming to an end! The worst part of it is someone is going to pay an obscene amount of money for that !
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: duncan on January 12, 2021, 04:20:15 pm
I saw a real live one of these a couple of days ago. Hampstead Heath not London Fields and the wearer looked a lot more Gucci than TNF. Tremendously exciting. Sadly for LDN CLMBR, they were going in the opposite direction and had passed before I could get my phone out with any degree of subtlety.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on January 12, 2021, 06:26:28 pm
The green and gold down jacket is amazing 😍
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on January 12, 2021, 06:34:48 pm
(https://media-vogue-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/media.vogue.co.uk/photos/5fe1c950a114b729243df09d/master/w_1024%2Cc_limit/GU699_TNF_PR%20CROPS_single%20image_150dpi_088.jpg)

Is this LDN CLMBR’s new North American correspondent?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on January 12, 2021, 06:38:13 pm
Well Sugar Ape.

"It’s kind of long here, yeah, but short here like it’s been done at random, but if you look closely, eh, you can see that it hasn’t, ‘cept you can’t tell that… and it’s got a few of these in it, yeah paint… lids.”
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on January 12, 2021, 08:27:20 pm
FFS  :sick: :shit: :sick:  :shit: >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mrjonathanr on January 12, 2021, 08:28:45 pm
Envy will get you nowhere Fiend.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Johnny Brown on January 12, 2021, 09:02:27 pm
(https://media-vogue-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/media.vogue.co.uk/photos/5fe1c950a114b729243df09d/master/w_1024%2Cc_limit/GU699_TNF_PR%20CROPS_single%20image_150dpi_088.jpg)

Is this LDN CLMBR’s new North American correspondent?

Given Yoss's response, in the light of this photo and the fact that LDN CLMBR has been suspiciously quiet of late, I'm now convinced Gucci took his parody account for real and hired him as creative director. If you need someone to play Kaspar Ruiz-Montano I'm in, this is key work if ever I saw it.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on January 12, 2021, 10:53:01 pm
(https://media-vogue-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/media.vogue.co.uk/photos/5fe1c950a114b729243df09d/master/w_1024%2Cc_limit/GU699_TNF_PR%20CROPS_single%20image_150dpi_088.jpg)

Is this LDN CLMBR’s new North American correspondent?

Shit isn’t that Barrows’s erstwhile partner in crime ‘39’ aka attack poodle!?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on January 12, 2021, 11:00:03 pm
(https://media-vogue-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/media.vogue.co.uk/photos/5fe1c950a114b729243df09d/master/w_1024%2Cc_limit/GU699_TNF_PR%20CROPS_single%20image_150dpi_088.jpg)

Is this LDN CLMBR’s new North American correspondent?

Shit isn’t that Barrows’s erstwhile partner in crime ‘39’ aka attack poodle!?

No crucifix.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Yossarian on January 12, 2021, 11:02:50 pm

Given Yoss's response, in the light of this photo and the fact that LDN CLMBR has been suspiciously quiet of late, I'm now convinced Gucci took his parody account for real and hired him as creative director. If you need someone to play Kaspar Ruiz-Montano I'm in, this is key work if ever I saw it.

Keep an eye out for the (severely delayed) issue 4 and all will be revealed...

(I have a book to finish that’s v overdue and as a result LDNCLMBR is also behind schedule)

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hbz.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/04/54bf0a318b60d_-_2_agyness-deyn-stephen-sprouse-de-35962249.jpg)

While we’re on the subject, I would’ve loved the Stephen Sprouse x LV collaboration graphics on a bouldering mat.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Teaboy on January 12, 2021, 11:25:17 pm

(https://i.ibb.co/SdP8PQ0/C57-C4049-4290-4-DD6-B27-D-28-BF15951-C0-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQHGHsm)


I'm just surprised Jurgen Klopp got mixed up in this
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on January 13, 2021, 12:17:43 am
wil.i.am staying on point though.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tomtom on January 13, 2021, 08:47:18 am

I'm just surprised Jurgen Klopp got mixed up in this

I’m not :) but that can’t be Klopp - no teeth on display
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Falling Down on February 09, 2021, 11:50:53 am
I want all of it, starting with the tent and the rucksack..

I liked the brown sandals and socks.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy popp on February 09, 2021, 12:04:58 pm
I want ... the tent.

The tent pitched on the steep slope overlooking the nice flat, grassy plateau.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on February 11, 2021, 07:10:11 pm
haha! the lengths I go to to avoid a bivy...
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on February 11, 2021, 07:40:53 pm
haha! the lengths I go to to avoid a bivy...

Here you go.

Might be a bitch hauling it, mind. You’ll need three Shredded Wheat for brekkie that morning.

 https://www.wired.com/2015/07/cliff-hanging-sleep-pods-take-glamping-new-heights/ (https://www.wired.com/2015/07/cliff-hanging-sleep-pods-take-glamping-new-heights/)
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on February 11, 2021, 10:32:43 pm
I noticed uniqlo have included a "random climber on wall" on their facebook pop-up ads, but can't see it elsewhere.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on February 12, 2021, 01:36:09 am


https://www.hermes.com/ca/en/story/280087-hermes-fit-campaign/


I rather like that!
How "off the mark" do you think it actually is? Great choice of wooden holds too  ;)
It seems they're actually appealing to a certain aesthetic style sense in various activities, rather than say taking climbing per se out of context.

I don't think it would be too farfetched to imagine Moon trying to reach out to other markets, and including a bit of climbing in that way.

Some great flexibility too.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on February 12, 2021, 08:25:43 am

This?
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1408607215878243

In fairness to Uniqlo, I would guess a lot of climbers/ skiers/ hikers/ etc use their stuff outdoors, so videos like that aren't wholly bogus. Their base layers and down jackets are decent quality and pretty good value, at least if purchased in Japan - I don't know whether pricing is as competitive overseas?
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No, it was just a pic. They have very limited presence in outdoor market here as far as I know, but LNDN CLMR fashionistas may prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Evil on February 12, 2021, 08:06:11 pm
Uniqlo's ultra stretch denim is a bargain alternative to boulder denim...
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on March 08, 2021, 10:38:42 pm
This ad just popped up on my Instagram feed. (https://www.instagram.com/p/CL7Q4OOsTW-/?igshid=1i7nefsfytwxf)  :lol:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy popp on March 09, 2021, 05:49:36 am
At Helsby of all places.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on March 09, 2021, 08:21:46 am
At Helsby of all places.

#staylocal
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mark20 on April 25, 2021, 04:51:05 pm
First ever “Vertical fashion show” bouldering competition
https://www.instagram.com/p/COFNorar3JK/?igshid=1fycmqrys8ew0
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on April 25, 2021, 07:10:26 pm
This ad just popped up on my Instagram feed. (https://www.instagram.com/p/CL7Q4OOsTW-/?igshid=1i7nefsfytwxf)  :lol:
Always liked those trainers but the trousers are dismal and WTF is that even an advert?? Totalbumbleshite.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on April 25, 2021, 07:44:40 pm
First ever “Vertical fashion show” bouldering competition
https://www.instagram.com/p/COFNorar3JK/?igshid=1fycmqrys8ew0

Sponsored by a company called Jason's Sourdough  :clap2:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: turnipturned on May 06, 2021, 12:59:28 pm
I always wondered when ‘non climbing specific’ lifestyle brands would explicitly venture into bouldering apparel. Probably happened before, but thought this was interesting. A sign of things to come?

https://www.elementbrand.co.uk/mens-collection-future-nature/
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on May 06, 2021, 01:14:47 pm
It's all "lifestyle sport" brands "seeping" into other markets - common among "board" sports (Quiksilver a prime example), interesting enough that bouldering has sufficient profile to be recognised now though.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on May 06, 2021, 01:41:25 pm
Quote
Future is Nature and Bouldering is Rad!
Future Nature salutes the styling and teachings of the great outdoors counterculture pioneers.
Inspired by the vibrant and eclectic style of 70's and 80's Californian hippy hikers and misfit rock climbers.
Mixing abstract rock formation patterns with vivid highlight colours, only a spring wilderness can naturally create.
Field tested on location by French bouldering champions Léo Avezou and Maelys Agrapart, this eco-conceived, versatile collection serves both urban utility and casual outdoor adventure.
Go outdoors more, Future Is Nature!

So much irony packed into one short paragraph.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on May 06, 2021, 01:56:06 pm
To be fair to them it passed a field testTM, on locationTM, by two bouldering champs. Must be :thumbsup:

   
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wil on May 06, 2021, 02:39:13 pm
Have they just discovered a cache of goalkeepers' shirts from the 1990s?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: lagerstarfish on May 06, 2021, 10:58:25 pm
Quote
Future is Nature and Bouldering is Rad!
Future Nature salutes the styling and teachings of the great outdoors counterculture pioneers.
Inspired by the vibrant and eclectic style of 70's and 80's Californian hippy hikers and misfit rock climbers.
Mixing abstract rock formation patterns with vivid highlight colours, only a spring wilderness can naturally create.
Field tested on location by French bouldering champions Léo Avezou and Maelys Agrapart, this eco-conceived, versatile collection serves both urban utility and casual outdoor adventure.
Go outdoors more, Future Is Nature!

So much irony packed into one short paragraph.

"on location" being an indoor bouldering wall
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: HaeMeS on May 19, 2021, 11:58:55 am
More luxury vertical fashion by Fendi this time:

(https://static.www.fendi.com/mediaObject/fendi/mustsee-man/summer-vertigo-man/summer-vertigo-man-def/summer-vertigo-man-module1/original/summer-vertigo-man-module1.jpg)

(https://static.www.fendi.com/mediaObject/fendi/mustsee_woman/summer-vertigo-woman/summer-vertigo-woman-final/summer-vertigo-woman-categories1-desktop/original/summer-vertigo-woman-categories1-desktop.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Serpico on May 19, 2021, 12:20:16 pm
More luxury vertical fashion by Fendi this time:


Is it just coincidence that 'Fendi' is an anagram of UKB's own fashion guru Fiend?
Probably.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: remus on May 19, 2021, 12:33:25 pm
Is it just coincidence that 'Fendi' is an anagram of UKB's own fashion guru Fiend?
Probably. Definitely not.

Did you see those compression socks? Definitely an undercover arm of Fiend Enterprises PLC.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on May 19, 2021, 01:08:20 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CO0N5Vuipqt/?utm_medium=copy_link

Also saw the shoes in this one and wondered whether they might be getting a call from the La Sportiva IP department!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on June 14, 2021, 04:05:57 pm
There is just soooooooo much to unpack here. It's an outdoor brand incepted by Ant Middleton, Alan Partridge, and Tommy Robinson.

https://thrudark.com/blog/op-skyefall/
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: galpinos on June 14, 2021, 04:13:41 pm
There is just soooooooo much to unpack here. It's an outdoor brand incepted by Ant Middleton, Alan Partridge, and Tommy Robinson.

https://thrudark.com/blog/op-skyefall/

Wow! That is........ quite something.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: erm, sam on June 14, 2021, 04:15:03 pm
I saw a bloke wearing a Thrudark jacket walking his dog, sorry, doing recon with his dog on the road along the bottom of Stange, sorry, doing an incursion into rugged terrain, the other week. He looked well hard, sorry, soft.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: crzylgs on June 14, 2021, 04:33:03 pm
There is just soooooooo much to unpack here. It's an outdoor brand incepted by Ant Middleton, Alan Partridge, and Tommy Robinson.

https://thrudark.com/blog/op-skyefall/

I lasted 2s on that website before the laggy mouse animation was doing my head in and I quit. Good job to the big brains who made that design choice.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Duma on June 14, 2021, 04:34:08 pm
Aslan Steel (ThruDark Videographer)

amazing
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on June 14, 2021, 04:52:10 pm
There is just soooooooo much to unpack here. It's an outdoor brand incepted by Ant Middleton,

I see Foxy from that SAS show is one of their ambassadors (who also include Nims and Mingma so fair play).

I’m guessing you’re not their target audience Will!

There’s quite a few of these sort of fashion/outdoor brands out there now, this ones seems to be aiming for a slightly different market to the usual Shoreditch one.

I wonder if the kit is actually any good, it doesn’t look horrendous and seems be made out of the right sort of materials. Eye watering prices though!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on June 14, 2021, 04:55:11 pm
LDNCLMR are all over this I hope.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on June 14, 2021, 05:20:23 pm
I wonder if the kit is actually any good, it doesn’t look horrendous and seems be made out of the right sort of materials.

I’d only heard of the brand before this from the bloke who films for Nims Dai’s Instagram. He/ they went up Everest in it so I guess it works.

Not sure this is really an example of climbing going mainstream though? Just seems like an outdoor brand marketing at the presumably lucrative ex/ current/ wannabe- forces demographics (edit: also football casuals), albeit hilariously to the rest of us. I can’t see anything specifically rock climbingy on there (although it is quite dark) and the link between mountaineering and the army is well established.

Given that all the Berghaus marketing I see these days is along the “hipsters scowling in turquoise cagoules” variety I guess they’ve sensed a gap in the market. “Trust is Earned” is literally an old Berghaus slogan- my other half has an older jacket with it on the label.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on June 14, 2021, 05:23:58 pm
So that bunch of ambulatory penises are touring around Storr and Neist in a pair of fucking Range Rovers with a massive entourage testing out 900 quid jackets and 125 quid shorts??  The very same places I visited in 15 quid trackie bottoms??

What a bunch of massive twats including anyone who buys into that shit. I hope their fucking Range Rovers crash into the sea.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on June 14, 2021, 05:35:01 pm
Fucking hell if we can't laugh at this then what can we laugh at?

Quote
ThruDark team will road move directly to the Scottish Highlands at first light whenever Bazza has had his Belly Buster Breakfast from the local spoon and done a shit. We will move directly to our forward mounting base Air BnB on the Isle of Skye and brief all relevant individuals on the week’s activities go to the pub. Day 1: ThruDark team will move by road to Sligachan for a morning vehicle shoot and area recce mooch. Upon completion we will move to a local undisclosed waterfall location. The afternoon/evening will consist of Neist Point and the Lighthouse. Day 2: ThruDark team will road move drive to Quiraing – Needles in the morning for a sunrise shoot and trail hike followed by a visit to Tallisker Bay for an evening shoot photoshoot that would make an influencer blush/scramble. Day 3: ThruDark team will break into 2 groups. Group 1 will complete the Inn Pinn climb and group 2 will concentrate on vehicle specific content more excruciating photoshoots with the Range Rovers. Day 4: ThruDark team will move to The Storr for a first light climb walk up to the viewpoint because the only climbing on the Storr is fucking harcore and never gets repeated. The afternoon/evening will include a high abseil scenario in an undisclosed location this means we're lost.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: battery on June 14, 2021, 06:16:36 pm
Fucking hell if we can't laugh at this then what can we laugh at?

Quote
ThruDark team will road move directly to the Scottish Highlands at first light whenever Bazza has had his Belly Buster Breakfast from the local spoon and done a shit. We will move directly to our forward mounting base Air BnB on the Isle of Skye and brief all relevant individuals on the week’s activities go to the pub. Day 1: ThruDark team will move by road to Sligachan for a morning vehicle shoot and area recce mooch. Upon completion we will move to a local undisclosed waterfall location. The afternoon/evening will consist of Neist Point and the Lighthouse. Day 2: ThruDark team will road move drive to Quiraing – Needles in the morning for a sunrise shoot and trail hike followed by a visit to Tallisker Bay for an evening shoot photoshoot that would make an influencer blush/scramble. Day 3: ThruDark team will break into 2 groups. Group 1 will complete the Inn Pinn climb and group 2 will concentrate on vehicle specific content more excruciating photoshoots with the Range Rovers. Day 4: ThruDark team will move to The Storr for a first light climb walk up to the viewpoint because the only climbing on the Storr is fucking harcore and never gets repeated. The afternoon/evening will include a high abseil scenario in an undisclosed location this means we're lost.

Road move.... Really... Road fucking move???

Thought Fiend's rant was a bit ott until I read that.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on June 14, 2021, 06:40:59 pm
Me? OTT? Seriously though their "area recce" is gonna look fucking epic when they're all being laughed at by a bunch of weeg weekend trippers necking gallons of Bru in crocs and football shorts whilst their toddlers run riot and someone has to go for a piss behind the Range Rovers.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: battery on June 14, 2021, 07:31:17 pm
Me? OTT? Seriously though their "area recce" is gonna look fucking epic when they're all being laughed at by a bunch of weeg weekend trippers necking gallons of Bru in crocs and football shorts whilst their toddlers run riot and someone has to go for a piss behind the Range Rovers.

If they're Weegies don't forget the Bucky.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on June 14, 2021, 07:34:41 pm
(https://i.gifer.com/4tN5.gif)
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wellsy on June 14, 2021, 07:42:07 pm
There is just soooooooo much to unpack here. It's an outdoor brand incepted by Ant Middleton, Alan Partridge, and Tommy Robinson.

https://thrudark.com/blog/op-skyefall/

Ooooh so that's what a Real Man wears, cool good to know good to know
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Moo on June 15, 2021, 09:26:52 am
They seem to spend an awful lot of time 'Road Moving' for an outdoor brand.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wil on June 15, 2021, 10:03:34 am
The whole thing reads like an incredibly elaborate April fool. I'm actually quite impressed with how consistent and targeted their branding is! Also "Aslan Steel" - I'd pay for a name like that.

I think the Skye trip is particularly good. Besides the Inn Pinn they just visited the same tourist photo spots your Gran would but made it sound like the Eiger.

I was on Skye a few weeks ago and there were quite a few of this sort about - the 21 reg Land Rover with rooftop tent, two matching gun dogs and all suspiciously clean. Although there's an odd crossover between the wannabe tactical-wearers and the pastel shades and deck shoes wealth.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on June 15, 2021, 10:39:16 am
The guys that run Thru Dark, are alright. The SAS Who Dares Wins crowd weren’t there at the beginning, they’ were just “ambassadors”, this recent (past two years) marketing tilt is a pretty naff and I think they and their producers have gained significant influence in the brand.
It works, mind you, the lads are doing way better out of that, than they were from just making Ally kit for contractors, especially as those roles diminish.

Anyway, the real veteran preferred kit is this :
 https://www.jottnar.com/pages/about-us (https://www.jottnar.com/pages/about-us)

Because, neither SAS nor SBS are the real mountain troops of the UK military, despite their respective specialist troops/units. That role still falls to the M&A W Cadre, and the RM, more broadly, even if they are a shadow of their former presence. Given current tensions with near peer adversaries, they are seeing some revival.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on June 15, 2021, 11:31:05 am
That Thrudark website! Basically playing on fears that the world is a dark and hostile place. The whole vibe of 30-something bear grylls-alikes tactically advancing across hostile terrain to a road RV followed by relocate to forward operating base..  To non-bellends AKA as going out for a walk in the hills followed by a pint and back to the hostel. :lol:

Reminds me of a t-shirt I once saw a squaddy wearing: Don't Just 'Go'. Invade!.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on June 15, 2021, 09:31:45 pm
They should have definitely got you and OMM as authentic models  :P
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on June 15, 2021, 09:38:29 pm
Fucking hell if we can't laugh at this then what can we laugh at?

Quote
ThruDark team will road move directly to the Scottish Highlands at first light whenever Bazza has had his Belly Buster Breakfast from the local spoon and done a shit. We will move directly to our forward mounting base Air BnB on the Isle of Skye and brief all relevant individuals on the week’s activities go to the pub. Day 1: ThruDark team will move by road to Sligachan for a morning vehicle shoot and area recce mooch. Upon completion we will move to a local undisclosed waterfall location. The afternoon/evening will consist of Neist Point and the Lighthouse. Day 2: ThruDark team will road move drive to Quiraing – Needles in the morning for a sunrise shoot and trail hike followed by a visit to Tallisker Bay for an evening shoot photoshoot that would make an influencer blush/scramble. Day 3: ThruDark team will break into 2 groups. Group 1 will complete the Inn Pinn climb and group 2 will concentrate on vehicle specific content more excruciating photoshoots with the Range Rovers. Day 4: ThruDark team will move to The Storr for a first light climb walk up to the viewpoint because the only climbing on the Storr is fucking harcore and never gets repeated. The afternoon/evening will include a high abseil scenario in an undisclosed location this means we're lost.

Brilliant. Road move  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: moose on June 15, 2021, 10:27:03 pm
I'd like to know the difference between "high abseil scenario" and "abseil", and "trail hike" and "walk". I feel like I'm missing out on some intense experiences. 
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: webbo on June 15, 2021, 10:31:14 pm
I'd like to know the difference between "high abseil scenario" and "abseil", and "trail hike" and "walk". I feel like I'm missing out on some intense experiences.
Shirley the difference will depend on the outfit you are wearing.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on June 15, 2021, 10:48:05 pm
They should have definitely got you and OMM as authentic models  :P

I’ll admit to still owning (and using) an NI patrol bergan and also having an olive coloured 40ltr Wisport, but I won’t do “tactical” or ‘tacticool” and my favourite, goto, mountain jacket, is, in fact, my North Face Mountain Jacket, that I bought in 1990, to replace the Berghaus Serac, that I still own (but is too warm to climb in) that I bought in 1987…
(I did buy a Rab, supposedly to replace the MJ, ten years ago, but it wore out (in, like, no time) and now I just use it around town).


Oh, yeah. My tarp, from my bivi kit, is cammo (the old DPM), but that’s because I saw it on Amazon for £4.99.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on June 15, 2021, 11:12:33 pm
They should have definitely got you and OMM as authentic models  :P

I'd end up court-marshalled..
..I mean fired.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on June 16, 2021, 08:27:28 am
I'd like to know the difference between "high abseil scenario" and "abseil", and "trail hike" and "walk". I feel like I'm missing out on some intense experiences.

You are. And if you have never been on a non-motorised all terrain transport recce sortie (scenic mountain bike ride) you've never lived.   
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wellsy on June 16, 2021, 08:29:12 am
Jottnar stuff is apparently very legit and indeed for that price I'd hope it was. They don't go into that tacticool oPeRaToR shit though do they, just doing dangerous stuff in the mountains.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on June 16, 2021, 09:19:30 am
Jottnar stuff is apparently very legit and indeed for that price I'd hope it was. They don't go into that tacticool oPeRaToR shit though do they, just doing dangerous stuff in the mountains.

Amen
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on June 30, 2021, 09:30:09 am
Wait for it… (https://www.instagram.com/reel/CQMXSVdBRPb/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on June 30, 2021, 10:20:57 am
Blink and you'll miss it, but yeah  :o :-\ :shrug: :w00t:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on July 30, 2021, 12:14:09 am
I saw it on FB, but was on hol so didn't post it here. If it was all expenses paid I'd sign up.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petekitso on August 12, 2021, 02:20:29 pm
https://arcteryx.com/gb/en/shop/quiver-bucket-bag

not a chalk bag,  simply  a chalk bag inspired design . . .

Some £180 'soft shell' shorts also  available.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wil on August 12, 2021, 02:38:27 pm
They clearly got the idea from Crags 1976, issue 5:

(https://factortwo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/letter-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on August 12, 2021, 02:40:05 pm
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Barbie-GJL75-Sport-Climber-Doll/dp/B07Y92BXP3

the tie in arrangement on the backing card is one I've not tried before. Fortunately.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on August 13, 2021, 02:35:08 pm
That's fantastic. You can see the thought process: "okay, this thing [belay device] is involved in the process somehow, and it ... goes on the rope? and the rope is tied to the harness? ... that kind of looks right, that'll do."
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on September 07, 2021, 03:45:38 pm
Imitation climbing shoes that make real climbing shoes look like a bargain. (https://www.moncler.com/en-gb/men/accessories/shoes/nirmal-khaki-G20924M7050002T14200.html)
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mr chaz on September 07, 2021, 03:57:21 pm
That whole range is  :o

See also: found a pair of pink anasazis in the local TK Maxx
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on September 07, 2021, 04:03:15 pm
Damn, out of stock in my size.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on September 07, 2021, 04:23:36 pm
That whole range is  :o

There’s an interesting story behind the company- they were a genuine outdoor clothing company for fifty years, apparently made the first down jacket, equipped Lionel Terray and Olympic skiing teams etc. then were bought out after they hit hard times and turned into a fashion label for the sort of people who want an authentic-looking downj but don’t want people to think that they paid less than four figures for it.  :lol:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: AMorris on September 07, 2021, 05:24:47 pm
scrolling down and being met with a line of expressionless NPCs was an unnerving experience
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on September 07, 2021, 05:39:42 pm
I can cope with the £2k puffa jackets but it's the hats that are really blowing my mind.

https://www.moncler.com/en-gb/genius/shop-moncler-genius/2-moncler-1952-man
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on September 07, 2021, 05:59:25 pm
Unfortunately that blue down puffer hat/cap doesn’t seem to be available. I wonder whether it comes with the down jacket? That fluffy one looks perfect for grit connies.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on September 07, 2021, 06:58:18 pm
Summer limestone/mountain crags/sea cliffs:
https://www.moncler.com/en-gb/men/accessories/hats-and-beanies/bucket-hat-golden-yellow-G10923B7020053A6912H.html

Grit season warmth without compromising on style:
https://www.moncler.com/en-gb/men/accessories/hats-and-beanies/wide-brim-hat-cathay-spice-G20923B00005899GG18B.html

Can't find that latter one in blue puffa anywhere though  :'(
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on September 07, 2021, 07:36:43 pm
My other half’s got recently bought a sewing machine and is getting into “upcycling”. Might see if she can knock me up one of those fleece pith helmets from an old jacket.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: moose on September 07, 2021, 08:51:21 pm
It's like that Balenciaga stuff that footballers are fond of - for £3k you can purchase a hi-vis jacket with a logo on it.  I'm tempted to put in an order to Arco for a load of their £20 versions and contract a screen printer.

https://www.balenciaga.com/en-gb/reversible-parka-yellow-660125TYD337204.html (https://www.balenciaga.com/en-gb/reversible-parka-yellow-660125TYD337204.html)
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on September 07, 2021, 09:40:43 pm
I can cope with the £2k puffa jackets but it's the hats that are really blowing my mind.

https://www.moncler.com/en-gb/genius/shop-moncler-genius/2-moncler-1952-man

The £190 Beanie, or the £140 Baseball Cap?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on September 08, 2021, 11:06:53 am
Imitation climbing shoes that make real climbing shoes look like a bargain. (https://www.moncler.com/en-gb/men/accessories/shoes/nirmal-khaki-G20924M7050002T14200.html)
Thank you cheque (and subsequent link posters) for souring my day by making me aware of this utter bollox. Literally and exactly 10x overpriced on everything. And most of it, and the gormless models, looks bloody mediocre too. This sort of drivel makes me wish everyone involved including anyone who buys it gets ground down into budget dog food.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on September 08, 2021, 11:08:35 am
Imitation climbing shoes that make real climbing shoes look like a bargain. (https://www.moncler.com/en-gb/men/accessories/shoes/nirmal-khaki-G20924M7050002T14200.html)
Thank you cheque (and subsequent link posters) for souring my day by making me aware of this utter bollox. Literally and exactly 10x overpriced on everything. And most of it, and the gormless models, looks bloody mediocre too. This sort of drivel makes me wish everyone involved including anyone who buys it gets ground down into budget dog food.

You’re just upset because now everybody knows where you buy your trousers…
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: AMorris on October 04, 2021, 12:26:52 pm
Dunno where this observation would live (puterwatch?), but I immediately thought of this thread when I saw it. At the wall yesterday I saw some lad with a very fresh looking ankle tattoo saying "Climb more, climb happy" next to a red pocket. Let me reiterate, not a drawing of a bit of rock, or the outline of a mountain or a tree, a red plastic pocket. I left shortly after.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Ross Barker on October 04, 2021, 01:15:12 pm
Could've at least picked a cool hold like the so-ill baby head.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: User deactivated. on December 30, 2021, 09:56:17 am
La sportiva high fashion collab:

https://www.zegna.com/uk-en/product.ermenegildo-zegna-male-zegna-with-la-sportiva-tx-top-mountain-boots-black-11.5.10527779/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=uk_en_feed&utm_term=google_shopping&ds_cid=71700000089602224&gclid=CjwKCAiAzrWOBhBjEiwAq85QZySE1yCIvEp_riwm7epw_I86A1lOC2Vh6GKUXpl8Dw63Vo8mJH_c7BoCXfoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on March 22, 2022, 12:21:40 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbWFBilMZ-F/

Where to begin............
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: danm on March 22, 2022, 01:37:15 pm
That's awful. I mean, who apart from Hot Henry Barber climbs in white jeans?
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on March 22, 2022, 02:05:33 pm
DAVETHOMAS09 of course!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on April 14, 2022, 08:19:39 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CcVAsWhopUZ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Margo Hayes will burn you off in some £800 trainers.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Coops_13 on April 14, 2022, 08:59:10 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CcVAsWhopUZ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Margo Hayes will burn you off in some £800 trainers.
That video was atrocious
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Ged on April 14, 2022, 09:09:10 pm
Good lord. I hope Margo is getting paid very well for that.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Steve Crowe on April 14, 2022, 09:29:03 pm
That's awful. I mean, who apart from Hot Henry Barber climbs in white jeans?

Streaky.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on April 14, 2022, 10:32:18 pm
Can't wait to see what climberisms does with this.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bonjoy on April 28, 2022, 01:52:15 pm
Tomoa Narasaki is now a Snickers Hero.
 https://www.instagram.com/p/CcxYcuCvyWt/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: sxrxg on May 05, 2022, 04:31:06 pm
https://www.zara.com/uk/en/tenaya--climbing-shoes-p02978001.html

You can now match your climbing shoes with your fashionable logo sweatshirt and eye colour stick   ::)


Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on May 05, 2022, 04:51:47 pm
I wondered where Fiend was getting his vests.
https://www.zara.com/uk/en/faded-effect-t-shirt-p04770105.html?v1=173717359&v2=2070391
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on May 05, 2022, 06:27:15 pm
that look is so hot right now
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on May 06, 2022, 10:28:17 am
Oi, I'm not quite THAT bland  >:(

P.S. Mostly Decathlon, hth.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on May 19, 2022, 04:25:55 pm
Evidence, if it were needed, that speed climbing sucks.

https://youtu.be/N2RvDf09fJs
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dexter on May 19, 2022, 04:44:03 pm
Got to give them a few extra jugs because it would look bad if they can't make it up the "speed" route
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Carliios on May 19, 2022, 05:21:15 pm
Evidence, if it were needed, that speed climbing sucks.

https://youtu.be/N2RvDf09fJs

Think they missed out the speed in speed climbing  ;D
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: seankenny on June 01, 2022, 05:50:04 pm
Spotted this gem in a UKC puff piece on climbing in Sicily. There is some bouldering with a B&B nearby:

“Here you will find all sorts of services dedicated to climbers: Driving, crash pad rental, a climbing wall, yoga, pole dancing and a jacuzzi, and the food is really good.”

Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on June 02, 2022, 10:06:08 am
pole dancing
It is not a sport it is a way of life.

I got curious and checked. Apparently we have 5 pole-dancing studios open to public in Toulouse. Should be compared to 10 climbing walls.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on June 02, 2022, 10:10:38 am
Maybe pole sessions are a new way of cross training climbing fitness..
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on June 02, 2022, 01:04:55 pm
Ever tried pole-dancing? It's absolutely nails. My gf is good at it, used to do comps etc. Got me to try some of the moves once - inverts, basic shoulder mounts and stuff, set-up into flags etc. (no way could I flag) - one of the toughest bodyweight workouts for core, shoulders and legs I've ever tried. Shame it looks so camp or it'd be fantastic strength and mobility cross-training for climbers!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: seankenny on June 02, 2022, 02:28:10 pm
I’ve no doubt that pole dancing is well hard and takes a lot of strength and skill. Not dissing the activity in the slightest, more that my average climbing trip is with a bunch of 30-60 year old men…
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: T_B on June 02, 2022, 03:29:04 pm
My mate is a physio and used to work in Spinal injuries at the Northern General. Put it this way, it was notable how many pole dancers he treated.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on June 02, 2022, 03:32:04 pm
Ever tried pole-dancing? It's absolutely nails. My gf is good at it, used to do comps etc. Got me to try some of the moves once - inverts, basic shoulder mounts and stuff, set-up into flags etc. (no way could I flag) - one of the toughest bodyweight workouts for core, shoulders and legs I've ever tried. Shame it looks so camp or it'd be fantastic strength and mobility cross-training for climbers!

I genuinely enjoyed watching these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEm078s0Xws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9o8Vmh7Nyk

A lot of these sorts of videos can be like "haha! these people who are specialized in this sport are bad at this other sport which has diametrically-opposed requirements!"

Whereas with this, there's enough overlap (grip strength, upper body strength, flexibility, etc.) that each group can really engage with the other activity (and try things you'd never normally teach people on their first day, like bat-hangs) then comment interestingly about the differences.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on June 02, 2022, 10:02:00 pm
Ha good vids. I'm remembering how bruised my bony shins and ankles were from clamping like my life depended on it. Amazing how regulars seem to be able to stay attached by little more than one nonchalantly hooked leg or elbow while spinning, upside down. Reckon this would be right up Fiend's street for some elbow rehab cross training, cammo leotard scenes...
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on June 02, 2022, 10:15:20 pm
Oi!!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on August 10, 2022, 04:50:36 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSspRSGc4Dk

I watched this whole trailer and got progressively more and more confused about how they think climbing gear works and what they think the rope is for. Amazing.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on August 10, 2022, 07:13:33 pm
Who cares, that looks great!  :lol:
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on August 10, 2022, 09:51:25 pm
Dear fucking god I was eating my dinner when I somehow chose to click on that. If I'm up half the night with indigestion I'm blaming you slab_happy!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on August 10, 2022, 10:22:35 pm
Very strange, reminds me, have we had this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99xxJeBN0-E
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on August 10, 2022, 11:09:39 pm
The Ledge one looks rad. Reminds me of that Si o' Connor blog.

Quote
You bump into Malcolm Smith and Andy Earl at the Ibrox wall. Andy tells you that Malc has finally sent the project they have both been working on. Malc gives you a comprehensive description of the moves, saying it was a bit tricky, and calls Andy 'a weak Geordie git'.

You are messing about on the Dumby boulders, and Dave MacLeod asks if you would mind spotting him for five minutes. After he sends the prob, a sweet 7c+, you ask what he's been up to, and he tells you about an XI, 11 route he has just done in the Northern Corries.


You read a post by Si O'Conor on a web forum. He reports that he has just done Britain's first E17 on a previously unknown crag on the Isle of Skye. The route is 110 metres long with multiple V13 cruxes, and a V16 crux right at the top. Si hadn't planned to solo onsight the first ascent of this new route, but was forced to, as he was being pursued by an elite squad from the Special Boat Service.

The SBS were pursuing him because Si had just been involved in a violent fight with a group of hill shepherds and tractor men in the Isles Bar. Unknown to Si, the shepherds and tractor drivers were actually undercover special services agents. Despite their extensive combat training, and martial arts skills, they were no match for Si who had put them all on the waiting list at the Portree Cottage Hospital A + E department.

The avenging SBS squad pursued Si out of Portree, heading northwards along the A855. He tried to confuse his pursuers by talking very loudly to himself in Swedish, and generally pretending to be from Sweden. Unfortunately this gambit only enraged his pursuers further, and they were gaining on him at every step.

Fortunately for Si, Scott Muir was driving past in his pretendy 4x4 and offered Si a potentially life saving lift. Unluckily for Si, and luckily for Scott, Si refused the lift in a fit of pique and went bounding off across the Bealach Mor. The SBS, sensing their quarry was proving too fast and furious for them, called in air support in the form of a Royal Marines Sea King, a pair of Sea Harriers and a passing Nimrod.

Si knew the odds of him escaping were lengthening now, and had the genius idea of putting his beloved 5.10 Moccasyms on to the back paws of his equally beloved collie, and commanding it to head off across the moor, walking on its hind legs. The SBS pursuit squad followed what they thought were Si’s footprints, and were surprised and dismayed to apprehend a collie wearing rock slippers, a flat cap and smoking a roll up.

Opportunely for the SBS, one of the Sea Harriers had managed to acquire the fleeing and now bare footed Si, using its experimental infra red target acquisition pod. The Nimrod swooped low across the moor, and air dropped a selection of SAS specification trials bikes to his pursuers. The squad tore the parachutes from the motorbikes as they landed, and roared off after Si. The chase was on again!

Uncharacteristically, Si began to panic, as he realised that his only escape route was looming malevolently in front of him. It was a massive black cliff, incredibly overhanging, and unusually for a sizeable rock formation, it had no holds whatsoever.

Although the light was fading now, Si vaguely remembered the cliff, having ridden by it once on the pillion of Birkett's Africa Twin. Sadly, he had been temporarily blinded back then by the light reflecting off Gaskins head as he cycled past on a Raleigh Chopper, and so had no clear recollection of the crag topography.

Any ascent would have to be a first sight onsight solo. Just his style. The approaching cacophony of screaming two stroke engines and intermittent small arms fire brought his attention back into the present. There was nothing else for it; he would have to scale the cliff. He would have to do it barefoot though, having given his Moccasyms to his dog.

He would have to do it drunk as well, because he had consumed the entire case of Talisker that he had won in the air guitar competition that evening in the bar. That was why the fight had broken out with the bogus agricultural workers in the first place, when one of the fake tractor drivers had suggested that Angus Young looked stupid in a primary school uniform.

It got even nastier when an incognito Marine declared Brian Johnson was way better than Bon Scott. Si had stretched a few necks in the bar tonight. He craned his neck upwards and surveyed his route to freedom. It was a real death or glory job this one. It was going to be even harder than the sit down start to Ama Dablam that he had done last week.

He pulled himself, footless, on to the first matchstick slopers, and floated up the positive sharp crimps on a soaring arete. He then took a jolly out left across the main wall steeply to a course of gnarly slopers. Then a bit of balance ballet up the left arete to a mantel. He was getting into his rhythm now, using poor low holds on to an undercut and using dynamics to get onto the poor edges left, and then the large gripless sloping ledge into the centre of the face.

He used every dynamic trick he knew, dancing across tiny undercut slopers, deftly dodging the laser guided bombs from the Sea Harriers and the arcing tracers from the Sea King door gunner. He flashed across a line of toe smears and a small rail of two finger undercuts leading to a scalloped hold and made a huge lunge, locking off this to make a leap for some tiny quartz thimble pockets.

Pausing briefly to rescue a small girl wrapped in a duvet, he used a hard dyno to get into the rail of high undercut edges and set out along these to make an extremely hard drop down move catching the fingertip sidepulls and toe smears simultaneously to trend rightward along these where the holds ran out.

He spanned the void and gained the high shallow mono finger pockets at full stretch then followed the awesome desperate seam right to razor finishing pockets on the areted corner. As he leapt triumphantly on to the top of the cliff, the full moon slid out from behind a bank of cloud and illuminated the route of his unbelievable ascent.

The Sea King swooped towards his lofty perch, and Si, alert as ever, even after twelve bottles of Talisker, leapt cat-like into a convenient crevice. However, as he looked out from his lair, he could see that the door gunner had swapped his belt fed machine gun for a megaphone.

Si heard the words echo out across the coire 'We don't know who you are, but your incredible climbing skills have amazed us all. Sir, on the rock we salute you!' Si looked down into the coire. The SBS squad were saluting and cheering, and as he looked back up at the helicopter hovering in front of him, the Sea Harriers victory rolled around it, the pilots faces beaming with admiration. Even the Nimrod did a fly past, with everyone waving from the windows. At least it looked like they were waving.

Si felt a sudden twinge of disappointment. None of his regular documentary team had seen his greatest climb ever. His usual entourage of itinerant trawlermen, decorated war veterans, and bewildered girlfriends who routinely photographed and videoed his every move on the rock hadn't captured his most amazing ascent for posterity.

Aha! Si had a sudden thought. He shouted to the crewman in the Sea King doorway. 'Did you get any pictures?' The crewman replied through the megaphone. 'We recorded the entire episode in the utmost detail in both ultra high definition still and video photography across the electromagnetic spectrum from infra red to ultraviolet. We will of course archive all this material, but I'm afraid no member of the public will ever be allowed access to it. Official secrets, sir, I'm sure you'll understand. As far as we are concerned now, amazing though your climb was, officially it never happened.'

The Sea King wheeled away into the Hebridean night, the downwash from its rotor blades beating against the impossible steepness of the cliff. Si couldn't believe it. No one would believe him. It was beyond belief. Maybe he could knock something up in Photoshop.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on August 11, 2022, 06:40:03 am
I made it about an hour into The Ledge and then had to stop. At first it was high on the 'so bad it's good' spectrum, but it didn't take long to just be bad.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on August 11, 2022, 08:21:14 am
Who cares, that looks great!  :lol:

The annoying thing is that "two people get stranded on top of a very high thing and have to work out how to get down" could be a great premise for a thriller, if it wasn't so clear that the makers have no idea how physics, rope or buildings work.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on August 11, 2022, 08:49:18 am
or phone signals!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on August 11, 2022, 08:52:34 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMkHpji9Y_8 I've still not made it to the end of this. I had to stop watching as it was late, and haven't been bothered enough to find out what happens. Also started off so bad it's good.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: seankenny on August 11, 2022, 01:36:18 pm
Wtaf was that?!
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on August 11, 2022, 08:00:37 pm
Who cares, that looks great!  :lol:

The annoying thing is that "two people get stranded on top of a very high thing and have to work out how to get down" could be a great premise for a thriller, if it wasn't so clear that the makers have no idea how physics, rope or buildings work.

It gets a 4 star review in the Guardian!

https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/aug/10/fall-review-wildly-effective-survival-thriller-delivers-seat-edge-suspense
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 18, 2022, 10:23:13 am
NATO are doing athlete ambassador collaborations now.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cj1LiZ3rOU2/

Can't wait to see the YouTube videos.

Rock Climber VS Type 45 Destroyer. YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: edshakey on November 06, 2022, 01:10:13 pm
https://www.lacrux.com/en/klettern/raffle-wallet-from-bibliography-rope-by-stefano-ghisolfi/

Raffle: wallet made of bibliography rope by Stefano Ghisolfi

Weirdness makes up for lack of mainstreamness, but no clue where else this fits!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on November 06, 2022, 05:46:10 pm
That fits here I think! Not sure why one wants a random F9b+ rope wallet but each to their own at least it's recycled.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Monolith on November 07, 2022, 12:51:44 pm
I think it's a great initiative.

You'll be able to buy a hat made from the undies I was wearing when I climbed The Edge Problem soon.

Link in bio, like and share, tweet about it, follow me on Insta, subscribe on Youtube, tell someone on the bus. 1 entry per action.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Duma on November 20, 2022, 11:42:48 am
Perhaps not the right thread, but couldn't find anywhere else to put it, and the last few posts on TR buying UKC are brilliant and deserve sharing
https://instagram.com/memesforchristianclimbers?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on November 20, 2022, 10:29:04 pm
Saw this on the high street, random and tenuous.

https://www.santander.co.uk/personal/savings-and-investments/investments/get-advice-on-investing
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on December 14, 2022, 07:10:37 pm
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CjDRYeCgrfy/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: webbo on December 14, 2022, 07:19:00 pm
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CjDRYeCgrfy/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Stick that on UKC and there will be a massive debate about whether bespoke hand made shoes are unethical.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mark20 on December 15, 2022, 10:46:56 pm
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmMySoGrUcH/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This actually looks great  :lol:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: battery on December 15, 2022, 10:51:11 pm
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmMySoGrUcH/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This actually looks great  :lol:

I'm going to open a book on how many times I get sent this from friends/family....

Does look quite good though!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on December 16, 2022, 11:56:15 am
Saw this on the high street, random and tenuous.

https://www.santander.co.uk/personal/savings-and-investments/investments/get-advice-on-investing

Alex Honnold has been the face of Trading View for as long as I’ve been using my it.
https://www.tradingview.com/
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on February 01, 2023, 08:20:09 am
Designer quickdraw that comes in a little bag (https://www.moncler.com/en-gr/men/grenoble/ski-accessories/alpine-quickdraws-black-H20960G00006M3179999.html)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: webbo on February 01, 2023, 08:42:55 am
There is some eye watering prices on the stuff below in that link. €590 for a pair of gloves.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on February 01, 2023, 08:44:24 am
Designer quickdraw that comes in a little bag (https://www.moncler.com/en-gr/men/grenoble/ski-accessories/alpine-quickdraws-black-H20960G00006M3179999.html)

haha! That's just a Grivel quickdraw. Not even their best.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SamT on February 01, 2023, 09:01:35 am
But its been 'Crafted', not just manufactured.   :-\ :no:

Good luck to them,  taking the piss out of idiots and getting rich from it... fair play.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fultonius on February 01, 2023, 09:11:03 am
Add a wee €195 for a Sigg bottle:  https://www.moncler.com/en-gr/men/grenoble/ski-accessories/stainless-steel-thermal-bottle-black-H20960G0000304457999.html

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on February 01, 2023, 09:45:28 am
Thanks for ruining everyone's morning cheque  :lol:  :sick:

I was initially appalled at the 5x over-pricing on the quickdraw but the morbid curiosity drew me into the rest of the farce too, and then there was the 10x over-pricing on caps and beanies and trainers and really just fuck that entire brand and everyone involved with it.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on February 01, 2023, 10:41:26 am
fuck that entire brand and everyone involved with it.

quite so
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tommytwotone on February 01, 2023, 10:58:14 am
Yeah but check it - it's not branded as climbing gear, it's branded as SKI gear. With that crowd I bet you can just think of a number, double it and they'll still cough up.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: galpinos on February 01, 2023, 11:16:58 am
Designer quickdraw that comes in a little bag (https://www.moncler.com/en-gr/men/grenoble/ski-accessories/alpine-quickdraws-black-H20960G00006M3179999.html)

Even worse than the extra £100 for the Zegna/La Sportiva "co-lab":

https://www.zegna.com/uk-en/shoes/boots/product.zegna-&-la-sportiva-tx-top-mountain-boots.10527779/

https://www.lasportiva.com/gb/tx-top-gtx-man-black-27m999100

Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: webbo on February 01, 2023, 11:32:28 am
Yeah but check it - it's not branded as climbing gear, it's branded as SKI gear. With that crowd I bet you can just think of a number, double it and they'll still cough up.
I might be missing something here but why would you need a quick draw when skiing.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tommytwotone on February 01, 2023, 11:39:02 am
I wouldn't know - I've never been able to afford to go!

Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on February 01, 2023, 11:45:18 am
I might be missing something here but why would you need a quick draw when skiing.

Moncler client service  (https://www.moncler.com/en-gb/client-service/contact/) will be able to explain I’m sure.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: remus on February 01, 2023, 11:56:17 am
Yeah but check it - it's not branded as climbing gear, it's branded as SKI gear. With that crowd I bet you can just think of a number, double it and they'll still cough up.

Case in point https://www.moncler.com/en-gr/men/grenoble/ski-accessories/ski-bands-black-H20960G00011M3427999.html
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on February 01, 2023, 12:06:17 pm
FFS. If I saw anyone with that I would happily take their skis and club them to death with them.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tommytwotone on February 01, 2023, 03:33:04 pm
I think LDNCLMBR needs to get in touch and do a shoot at Westway, on lead with a full rack of Moncler QDs...
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy moles on February 02, 2023, 07:14:42 am
  :lol:

They do have one good bargain, only €90 for a 14-point 'crampon'...

https://www.moncler.com/en-gr/men/grenoble/ski-accessories/crampons-black-H20960G00008M3231999.html
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fultonius on February 02, 2023, 08:00:38 am
  :lol:

They do have one good bargain, only €90 for a 14-point 'crampon'...

https://www.moncler.com/en-gr/men/grenoble/ski-accessories/crampons-black-H20960G00008M3231999.html

Site is currently down. They must have noticed it was missing a zero and pulled it. Clearly should have been £900
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: galpinos on February 03, 2023, 07:52:44 am
I think LDNCLMBR needs to get in touch and do a shoot at Westway, on lead with a full rack of Moncler QDs...

LDNCLMBR’s Brompton being used in the Brompton Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/bromptonbicycle/status/1621403258567655425?s=46&t=c2ajvY52g5uAOqWHa6n3dQ
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tommytwotone on February 03, 2023, 10:00:21 am
Also a Punter Watch referral. Two for the price of one!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Falling Down on February 03, 2023, 12:04:50 pm
It’s punterwatch season down here at the minute.  Multiple sightings in the last few weeks (don’t like taking pics of total strangers for amusement though so no evidence).

- Open carry chalk bag in a pub on NY day.

- Rock shoes clipped to belt loop of a passing cyclist.

- Full alpine rope loop across the shoulders and a Jacques Cousteau style wool cap on the Kings X concourse. (I did like the hat mind)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on February 03, 2023, 12:15:38 pm
Open carry

 :lol:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on February 08, 2023, 10:08:50 am
(I did like the hat mind)

If it wasn't bright red, I would be disappointed.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: edshakey on March 10, 2023, 12:01:29 am
For want of a better thread...

Did Stefano Ghisolfi come to the UK just to set parkour boulders and climb in the Lattice HQ?? I may well have missed some bits and pieces on his social media, but it doesn't look like he has got out much! Maybe the weather has been poor - would be shame if he didn't manage to attempt anything on rock and just made a few clickbait climbers crag vids ;)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on March 10, 2023, 08:28:13 am
In Will Bosi's latest IG post he said he was about, I was wondering what he had got up to.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Johnny Brown on March 10, 2023, 09:47:07 am
Up until the last couple of days the weather has been perfect, really dry, good temps.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on March 10, 2023, 10:55:46 am
Someone should tell him about weather forecasts. Might be a game changer.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: sherlock on March 31, 2023, 02:42:24 pm
Not exactly weirdness but this from Cosmopolitan Slovenia......
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqbCPNnDYYP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wellsy on March 31, 2023, 02:52:26 pm
Good for Janja, style icon innit
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: sherlock on March 31, 2023, 03:28:04 pm
Good for Janja, style icon innit
More style than me that's for sure.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tommytwotone on April 15, 2023, 08:49:46 am



Zara getting in on the climbing crossover market:


https://www.zara.com/uk/en/man-athleticz-mountainbike-l5972.html?utm_source=ig_fb&utm_medium=social_paid&utm_content=post&utm_term=nc&utm_campaign=UK_viewcontent_athleticz_man_1004&fbclid=PAAabyjCqRdDtS7FIe6y1obi5S6tUSkUXIVaPSv5J9Oc_hOvCRYY1xftpHsVE_aem_AUoFhxl3PiAZP-wApgBBpvvw6WRqlw1FGyUsMX-c8HhD17iJRN-dQ01R5mCzN2tMOZugQFydOe1ZvrXxfkXv8E-LGkCdzQW_HVX8MJSykFUeWjqVJcbjtmI3MQ0iYovTPuU (https://www.zara.com/uk/en/man-athleticz-mountainbike-l5972.html?utm_source=ig_fb&utm_medium=social_paid&utm_content=post&utm_term=nc&utm_campaign=UK_viewcontent_athleticz_man_1004&fbclid=PAAabyjCqRdDtS7FIe6y1obi5S6tUSkUXIVaPSv5J9Oc_hOvCRYY1xftpHsVE_aem_AUoFhxl3PiAZP-wApgBBpvvw6WRqlw1FGyUsMX-c8HhD17iJRN-dQ01R5mCzN2tMOZugQFydOe1ZvrXxfkXv8E-LGkCdzQW_HVX8MJSykFUeWjqVJcbjtmI3MQ0iYovTPuU)

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on April 15, 2023, 09:14:02 am



Zara getting in on the climbing crossover market:


https://www.zara.com/uk/en/man-athleticz-mountainbike-l5972.html?utm_source=ig_fb&utm_medium=social_paid&utm_content=post&utm_term=nc&utm_campaign=UK_viewcontent_athleticz_man_1004&fbclid=PAAabyjCqRdDtS7FIe6y1obi5S6tUSkUXIVaPSv5J9Oc_hOvCRYY1xftpHsVE_aem_AUoFhxl3PiAZP-wApgBBpvvw6WRqlw1FGyUsMX-c8HhD17iJRN-dQ01R5mCzN2tMOZugQFydOe1ZvrXxfkXv8E-LGkCdzQW_HVX8MJSykFUeWjqVJcbjtmI3MQ0iYovTPuU (https://www.zara.com/uk/en/man-athleticz-mountainbike-l5972.html?utm_source=ig_fb&utm_medium=social_paid&utm_content=post&utm_term=nc&utm_campaign=UK_viewcontent_athleticz_man_1004&fbclid=PAAabyjCqRdDtS7FIe6y1obi5S6tUSkUXIVaPSv5J9Oc_hOvCRYY1xftpHsVE_aem_AUoFhxl3PiAZP-wApgBBpvvw6WRqlw1FGyUsMX-c8HhD17iJRN-dQ01R5mCzN2tMOZugQFydOe1ZvrXxfkXv8E-LGkCdzQW_HVX8MJSykFUeWjqVJcbjtmI3MQ0iYovTPuU)

Wow 100 quid for some entry level boreals - who is this targeting haha.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on April 15, 2023, 09:45:26 am



Zara getting in on the climbing crossover

Troll’s lawyers currently drafting a cease and desist for the odd coloured leg trousers 😄
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on April 16, 2023, 08:54:00 am
Look, we all know you can't do serious fingerboarding unless you're wearing a Training Cap and Training Socks.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on April 17, 2023, 08:20:27 am
kudos to first one to spot someone wearing any of these.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: tommytwotone on April 17, 2023, 09:26:55 am
My money's on Ben T seeing an "open carry" of one of these in Hackney somewhere, probably as a handbag / man-bag substitute:




https://www.zara.com/uk/en/athleticz-crossbody-bag-p13649120.html?v1=242917454&v2=2205495 (https://www.zara.com/uk/en/athleticz-crossbody-bag-p13649120.html?v1=242917454&v2=2205495)




Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Falling Down on April 17, 2023, 10:10:29 pm
I’ll keep my eyes peeled.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Falling Down on April 18, 2023, 10:31:12 pm
Does this go in here?

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2023/apr/18/two-day-75km-peak-divide-trail-run-brilliant-way-to-see-peak-district (https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2023/apr/18/two-day-75km-peak-divide-trail-run-brilliant-way-to-see-peak-district)

Made me laugh/grimace/retch in equal measure.

“A rest stop at 25km offered a chance to refill water bottles, pick up running snacks and indulge in portions of freshly cooked cheesy gnocchi before the final 15km slog across the western Peaks. After a challenging stretch navigating boulders, waterfalls and bogs we descended into Edale for the night’s camping – not before a quick shot of rum at the aptly named Mount Malibu checkpoint. Luggage had been ferried over prior to our arrival.

The evening’s spread of luscious carbs came courtesy of Manchester artisan bakery, Companio, with craft beers (alcoholic and non-alcoholic) from Track Brewing Co and Bristol’s Left Handed Giant.“

Did LDNCLMBR write that?  :-\

Also….

Wild Running: Scotland sky running and yoga camp
Four days of guided runs through the dramatic mountainous terrain of Wester Ross. Includes four nights’ stay in a hostel close to Loch Torridon, fully qualified running and mountain guides and yoga sessions.
£420pp, wildrunning.co.uk   :no:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on April 18, 2023, 11:36:00 pm
Not sure about the running or the Malibu, but can’t fault their brewery choices 😄
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy moles on April 19, 2023, 07:23:02 am
I think this fits here...

I got followed on Instagram by a company called Faithful Ascent, whose tagline is:

Coming soon: A Christian apparel brand focused on reaching and spreading the Gospel to rock climbers, hikers and outdoor lovers!

I'm not sure whether Christianity or rock climbing is more mainstream these days...
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on April 19, 2023, 07:26:46 am
GASKINS IS BACK!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy moles on April 19, 2023, 07:39:28 am
Revelations 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened and here came a white horse! The one riding it was called “The G”, and with justice he judges and goes to war.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Mike Highbury on April 19, 2023, 08:33:15 am
The Stonemasters as fashion inspiration is unremarkable, really.

https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1648537940849565702

But, get you old T-shirts into the wash, there's good cash in it:-

the eBay items (search terms + pricing)

1. Patagonia Stand-Up Pants ($250 vintage; $100 new)
2. Vintage Patagonia Chouinard climbing shirt ($300-500 vintage)
3. Withernot rugby ($65 eBay; $115 new)
4. Yosemite Mountaineering School t-shirt ($250 vintage, $85 new)

And, yes, this is what my feed looks like.

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on April 19, 2023, 09:08:27 am

4. Yosemite Mountaineering School t-shirt ($250 vintage, $85 new)


Yes! I have one of these in a drawer, the white speckled one VGC. I think it must be from about '91, I'm starting bidding at $100. Cash only, no timewasters.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Monolith on April 19, 2023, 09:48:32 am
I think this fits here...

I got followed on Instagram by a company called Faithful Ascent, whose tagline is:

Coming soon: A Christian apparel brand focused on reaching and spreading the Gospel to rock climbers, hikers and outdoor lovers!

I'm not sure whether Christianity or rock climbing is more mainstream these days...

I wouldn't be surprised if Danny Cattell had finally jacked the delivery job and set this up.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on April 19, 2023, 10:38:28 am

4. Yosemite Mountaineering School t-shirt ($250 vintage, $85 new)


Yes! I have one of these in a drawer, the white speckled one VGC. I think it must be from about '91, I'm starting bidding at $100. Cash only, no timewasters.

Damn! I had an age 11 one (circa 1980) with “Go climb a rock” and ranger uniform clad cartoon bear (in climbing gear, climbing a rock (duh!)) on the back until a few years ago.
(Ironically, I wouldn’t wear it at age 11, because it was too childish).*


*I’d wear it now.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on April 19, 2023, 11:42:24 am
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/53327-it-s-never-too-late-to-have-a-happy-childhood
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on May 03, 2023, 08:39:00 am
London. Paris. Raven Tor.

https://youtube.com/shorts/0ooMLuJQrZ4
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Duncan campbell on May 03, 2023, 10:22:11 am
Incredible stuff
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: lukeyboy on May 03, 2023, 10:33:21 am
London. Paris. Raven Tor.

https://youtube.com/shorts/0ooMLuJQrZ4

Beautiful. JR far too believable!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on May 17, 2023, 03:35:04 pm
https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/shop-all?ideal=Climbing

another on the bandwagon.

I have just over £100 to spare, so I am getting 2 brushes and a bandana. Next moth I will drop the same on a T shirt that looks like the fleece I had with hot rock burns all over the front in the 90s.

https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/shop-all/products/mothtech-muscle-tee-16?variant=8338706071880
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on May 17, 2023, 04:11:28 pm
https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/shop-all?ideal=Climbing

another on the bandwagon.

I have just over £100 to spare, so I am getting 2 brushes and a bandana. Next month I will drop the same on a T shirt that looks like the fleece I had with hot rock burns all over the front in the 90s.

https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/shop-all/products/mothtech-muscle-tee-16?variant=8338706071880
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on May 17, 2023, 04:17:46 pm
"MothTech (tm)."

... it literally just has little holes in it.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: galpinos on May 17, 2023, 04:56:44 pm
https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/shop-all?ideal=Climbing

another on the bandwagon.


Hmmm, https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/stoner, that looks a bit like Jim Pope.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on May 17, 2023, 05:06:07 pm
"MothTech (tm)."

... it literally just has little holes in it.

Breathability solution inspired by nature innit.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on May 17, 2023, 05:08:01 pm
"MothTech (tm)."

... it literally just has little holes in it.

I think you'll find that's
Quote
strategically placed ventilation.


I have a T shirt that's developed that technology all by itself all round the collar over the years.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on May 17, 2023, 05:09:08 pm

Hmmm, https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/stoner, that looks a bit like Jim Pope.

I hope they have paid him for using his image. At least a three hundred pounds / a pair of trousers.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on May 17, 2023, 05:13:32 pm
Oh my god. I've just looked closer and realised that yes, MothTech referees to actually little holes and yes, they're actually for breathability. And it isn't a joke. I can't believe the brass neck to sell stuff to the intellectually sub-normal like this.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: galpinos on May 17, 2023, 05:13:46 pm

Hmmm, https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/stoner, that looks a bit like Jim Pope.

I hope they have paid him for using his image. At least a three hundred pounds / a pair of trousers.

I hope they also didn't mention it to his sponsors......
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: galpinos on May 17, 2023, 05:14:43 pm
Oh my god. I've just looked closer and realised that yes, MothTech referees to actually little holes and yes, they're actually for breathability. And it isn't a joke. I can't believe the brass neck to sell stuff to the intellectually sub-normal like this.

For £120!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on May 17, 2023, 05:31:47 pm
Oh my god. I've just looked closer and realised that yes, MothTech referees to actually little holes and yes, they're actually for breathability. And it isn't a joke. I can't believe the brass neck to sell stuff to the intellectually sub-normal like this.

Yes! That wasn't me making a joke, that was me having just looked at the page and felt my brain implode  because that's actually what they're selling.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: UnkArl on May 17, 2023, 11:45:35 pm

Hmmm, https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/stoner, that looks a bit like Jim Pope.

I hope they have paid him for using his image. At least a three hundred pounds / a pair of trousers.

I think you mean “I hope they paid the Photographer for using their image”  :-[
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on May 18, 2023, 08:24:30 am
Well, hopefully both
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on May 20, 2023, 08:44:30 am
Dunno if experimental dance/theatre counts as "mainstream", but Nina Caprez is in this show which ... actually sounds like it could be cool, if you like that sort of thing (which I do):

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2023/may/19/dance-corps-extremes-high-wire

Sold out, but you can watch the trailer at:

https://www.sadlerswells.com/whats-on/chaillot-theatre-national-de-la-danse-rachid-ouramdane-corps-extremes/
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: galpinos on June 05, 2023, 02:10:53 pm
https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/shop-all?ideal=Climbing

another on the bandwagon.

I have just over £100 to spare, so I am getting 2 brushes and a bandana. Next moth I will drop the same on a T shirt that looks like the fleece I had with hot rock burns all over the front in the 90s.

https://satisfyrunning.com/collections/shop-all/products/mothtech-muscle-tee-16?variant=8338706071880

Actually saw one of these in the wild yesterday, on a runner in South Manchester (Chorlton). £120 for a holey vest....
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on June 05, 2023, 03:00:02 pm
Is it possible that it's a self-created garment? Looking through my climbing clothes recently I realised I actually own quite a few MothTech t-shirts.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: galpinos on June 05, 2023, 03:15:10 pm
Is it possible that it's a self-created garment? Looking through my climbing clothes recently I realised I actually own quite a few MothTech t-shirts.

The hole pattern is quite distinctive, it said "Running Cult Member" on the chest and my part of Manchester is full of people who lap this stuff up so I'm pretty sure it was a genuine sighting.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on June 05, 2023, 03:51:15 pm
Is it possible that it's a self-created garment? Looking through my climbing clothes recently I realised I actually own quite a few MothTech t-shirts.

I think we need to push the idea that what we have are artisanal MothTech tees, produced by traditional small-batch organic methods.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on June 05, 2023, 03:58:36 pm
The hole pattern is quite distinctive, it said "Running Cult Member" on the chest and my part of Manchester is full of people who lap this stuff up so I'm pretty sure it was a genuine sighting.

Possible typo. Anyway, good spot!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on June 08, 2023, 11:50:24 pm
https://newheightsgame.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWSRIMYw0XE

looks spectacular.

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: lukeyboy on June 09, 2023, 10:08:59 am
https://newheightsgame.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWSRIMYw0XE

looks spectacular.

The thumbnail on the video looks like the top of the ramp at Avon e.g. 'Them'.

Now I love Avon but you'd think with endless possibilities you might raise the bar a bit higher 😂
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on June 09, 2023, 02:27:18 pm
You watch the clip, and it does look very similar.  As far as low bars go - you get to climb a castle next.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dac on August 01, 2023, 12:08:13 pm
More computer (or rather console) climbing gaming:

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2023/aug/01/a-dance-with-the-mountain-can-jusant-take-video-game-climbing-to-new-heights

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: scooba2cv on August 02, 2023, 10:59:29 pm
https://newheightsgame.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWSRIMYw0XE

looks spectacular.

Despite its flaws I'm having an amazing amount of fun on this game, it doesn't nail everything perfectly but I've just spent two hours trying a route and despite falling off the last move twice I'm still having fun.

Well worth the £16 even if it's just to scratch the itch on a rainy day
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on August 02, 2023, 11:14:15 pm
Is there a realistic setting on the UK version where it stops you playing for 3 days in every 5?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: scooba2cv on August 02, 2023, 11:24:24 pm
Yeah they definitely need to incorporate seepage and weather into it for the full sim experience.

For those familiar I would compare it to the jump from Tony hawk's to Skate in terms of realism, never going to capture the full experience but it's definitely not button bashing madness.
https://imgur.com/a/mI1eRyj
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: steveri on August 26, 2023, 09:43:39 am
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/ng-interactive/2023/aug/26/tiny-shoes-and-burning-arms-edith-pritchett-goes-climbing-cartoon

The Guardian goes bouldering
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 26, 2023, 12:35:56 pm
In case the Three Peaks Challenge is too worthwhile for you, people are now doing a Depot Challenge. You go to each of the Depots and climb all the problems of a particular colour in 24 hours. I presume that documenting it on your social media to rapturous applause is mandatory.

 :tumble:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 26, 2023, 12:43:56 pm
In case the Three Peaks Challenge is too worthwhile for you, people are now doing a Depot Challenge. You go to each of the Depots and climb all the problems of a particular colour in 24 hours. I presume that documenting it on your social media to rapturous applause is mandatory.

 :tumble:

This isn’t exactly new. People have been doing this at the LCC centres in London for like 5 years  :lol:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 26, 2023, 12:45:28 pm
So ground zero of this infection of the mind is London? I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 26, 2023, 12:59:21 pm
Sounds fun. Might join in when knee / toe / man-flu are healed. Skipping the social media bit tho.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on October 26, 2023, 02:30:03 pm
In case the Three Peaks Challenge is too worthwhile for you, people are now doing a Depot Challenge. You go to each of the Depots and climb all the problems of a particular colour in 24 hours. I presume that documenting it on your social media to rapturous applause is mandatory.

 :tumble:

I'm conflicted. On the one hand, my first thought was "what's the point of that?!". Seems totally daft.

But then, there's absolutely nothing new about creating arbitrary challenges in an activity based around arbitrary challenges. This seems simply to be an indoor version of big circuits you might do on rock, at a single crag or several. It's totally and utterly pointless, but very enjoyable. Ideally you'd do it in a sustainable way but it probably has less of an impact than flying to Rocklands.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 26, 2023, 02:35:29 pm
Honestly it’s quite fun in London too because people would cycle the whole city and time themselves and then others would try to break those times, like you said, we all love an arbitrary challenge
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dexter on October 26, 2023, 02:36:11 pm
In case the Three Peaks Challenge is too worthwhile for you, people are now doing a Depot Challenge. You go to each of the Depots and climb all the problems of a particular colour in 24 hours. I presume that documenting it on your social media to rapturous applause is mandatory.

 :tumble:

This isn’t exactly new. People have been doing this at the LCC centres in London for like 5 years  :lol:

I read that as the challenge has been going on for 5 years. Which still works in my opinion. Every time someone comes close to finishing it they open up a new centre.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wellsy on October 26, 2023, 03:46:49 pm
In case the Three Peaks Challenge is too worthwhile for you, people are now doing a Depot Challenge. You go to each of the Depots and climb all the problems of a particular colour in 24 hours. I presume that documenting it on your social media to rapturous applause is mandatory.

 :tumble:

Can't believe that people would have fun doing such an arbitrary and pointless thing...  :ninja:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 26, 2023, 06:26:41 pm
Don't outdoor climbing challenges normally attempt to add enjoyment to an activity that is already an act of play? This appears to add labour to an activity akin to work. I might as well have a challenge where I split my weekly shop between 5 different supermarkets.

Cultural appropriation of rock climbing by indoor climbers must stop!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on October 26, 2023, 09:35:37 pm
Sounds tricky and tiring, there are 7(?) Depots currently and what 5-6 hours of driving, and you actually only get the 14 hrs the centres are open. Would require a decent pave round a circuit. Might be OK on whites, but reds would be a big day out!

Don't outdoor climbing challenges normally attempt to add enjoyment to an activity that is already an act of play?

I think indoor climbing is more playful than routes at Malham Will!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wellsy on October 27, 2023, 01:40:51 am
Don't outdoor climbing challenges normally attempt to add enjoyment to an activity that is already an act of play? This appears to add labour to an activity akin to work. I might as well have a challenge where I split my weekly shop between 5 different supermarkets.

Cultural appropriation of rock climbing by indoor climbers must stop!

"I'm gonna do this entire font blue circuit in a day"

Laughable elitism from UKB once more
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on October 27, 2023, 06:53:56 am
Do you have to do the whole thing in a day?! That sounds nails for anything beyond the blue or maybe black circuits.

From Leeds I reckon you'd be best doing it on a weekday so as to get the maximum opening times. Drive over to Manchester at 5am to hit the 6am opening time. Say an hour(?) to do the circuit there. Drive down to Birmingham 1hr 43 plus rush hour traffic you're not gonna get there before 9am. Another hour to do the circuit. Drive to Nottingham 1hr 14 call it 11.30 arrival. Another hour circuit. 12.30 so you'll want some lunch. Half an hour to eat. Then drive to Sheffield which is 1hr so arriving there for 2pm. An hour circuit there, then up to Armley in about an hour so 4pm arrival. Finish there at 5pm, quick bite to eat maybe then Big Depot round the corner finishing there at say 6.30pm. Over to Pudsey (best till last), to finish there at 8pm just in time for a quick punt on the 50 and home in time for tea. Sounds like a good and very big day out to me! Not a lot of margin either. Pudsey closes at 10pm. As Tim says doing it on say reds would be a flipping big effort. I can think of worse things to do on a miserable wet day in November if you have the day off.

Think I might actually be quite keen haha
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: GazM on October 27, 2023, 06:57:14 am
You could save half an hour by eating lunch on the drive to Sheffield. #marginalgains
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: scragrock on October 27, 2023, 07:21:39 am
You could save half an hour by eating lunch on the drive to Sheffield. #marginalgains

Kids got you up early today Gaz?  :lol:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: GazM on October 27, 2023, 07:26:52 am
This would be a lie-in! I'm in Glossop Travelodge, ready for a few days of trad-dad action in the Peak. First days away climbing since last September, I'm buzzing!
Anyway, as you were...
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 27, 2023, 07:33:07 am
This would be a lie-in! I'm in Glossop Travelodge, ready for a few days of trad-dad action in the Peak. First days away climbing since last September, I'm buzzing!
Anyway, as you were...

Hope you find something dry, its absolutely soaking here in sheffield with mist everywhere lol
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: scragrock on October 27, 2023, 08:33:17 am
This would be a lie-in! I'm in Glossop Travelodge, ready for a few days of trad-dad action in the Peak. First days away climbing since last September, I'm buzzing!
Anyway, as you were...
Good effort, Enjoy :)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on October 27, 2023, 09:22:34 am
I think the Depot should open a wall in Scotland to make this a real challenge. Somewhere like, just south of Aberdeen for example.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 27, 2023, 10:13:45 am
Laughable elitism from UKB once more
Oh come on, indoor "climbing" isn't actually climbing. It is wet weather / dark evening / limited time training and/or rehab / recruitment for genuine climbing i.e. outdoors. It serves a useful purpose in the same way as "driving to the crag", "purchasing climbing gear" and "reading the guidebook", but no-one should pretend it's climbing.

Still, at least GazM knows what to do if he gets ganked off the grit this weekend.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Droyd on October 27, 2023, 10:52:30 am
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Oh come on, indoor "climbing" isn't actually climbing.

Impressive mental acrobatics at play to write this on a forum dedicated to talking about a subset of climbing that involves climbing up tiny bits of rock that other climbers have been ignoring for decades due to them being so small, and that since its inception has been referred to as 'not real climbing' by crusty tradsters. But I'm sure there's a very solid argument in place that goes beyond 'I don't like some people or understand their motivations so will pretend that my pointless niche pastime is objectively better than their pointless niche pastime'.

The Depot thing isn't for me in the slightest, but if I had to choose between that and doing the Three Peaks, I'd much rather spend the day climbing than traipsing up hills.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on October 27, 2023, 10:54:18 am
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Oh come on, indoor "climbing" isn't actually climbing.

Impressive mental acrobatics at play to write this on a forum dedicated to talking about a subset of climbing that involves climbing up tiny bits of rock that other climbers have been ignoring for decades due to them being so small, and that since its inception has been referred to as 'not real climbing' by crusty tradsters. But I'm sure there's a very solid argument in place that goes beyond 'I don't like some people or understand their motivations so will pretend that my pointless niche pastime is objectively better than their pointless niche pastime'.

The Depot thing isn't for me in the slightest, but if I had to choose between that and doing the Three Peaks, I'd much rather spend the day climbing than traipsing up hills.

You know, I’m pretty sure he wasn’t serious…
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 27, 2023, 12:14:33 pm
A friend, insofar as a person who lives in London can be considered a friend, sent me a photo this morning. It is of an innocuous piece of grooved wood, the sort which you can find littered around a particular London climbing wall. Imagine my horror when its intended function became apparent. It is to hold your phone upright to "film your sends".

Please, if you are of weak mettle, I implore you not to reveal this image.

NSFW  :
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53289580953_02b25f3e2e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pc22Qv)Graven image (https://flic.kr/p/2pc22Qv)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 27, 2023, 12:22:02 pm
Will has a whole chip shop on his shoulder, who hurt you Will? Where did the Depot red circuit touch you?  :lol:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Droyd on October 27, 2023, 01:11:04 pm
What's the old saying about little boys who pull little girls' hair?

(https://i.ibb.co/f1HyBQh/what-a-hunt.png)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 27, 2023, 01:35:07 pm
Very good of you to use a photo where I've got a relative abundance of hair  :hug:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 27, 2023, 02:30:44 pm
We can presumably agree that both the UK 3 peaks and depot challenges are disgraceful wastes of fuel, quite apart from any consideration of aesthetics. The driving for that depot one is grim, and for what?!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on October 27, 2023, 02:35:28 pm
 :agree: Cycling round London going to all the climbing walls trying to beat your mates’ times sounds like a right laugh though.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 27, 2023, 02:38:12 pm
To answer your question, Carlos, and to still your wringing hands, Droyd, I actually have no problem with indoor climbing, as I'm sure I've said on here before. It is fun, the people doing it are having fun, so that's great.
When I was a teenager I became completely besotted with an activity which had at its core such things as: adventure, connection to the natural world, aesthetics, romance, risk, beauty, history and the connection of people through place. Of course there were other important elements such as difficulty, numbers, athleticism, ego etc, but these were somewhat dim and distant when you were very publicly bricking it on an HVS at the Roaches. They didn't feel like the core of the activity. Maybe that's a perception unique to me, but I suspect not.
At the point I entered it, climbing had changed to the point of being unrecognisable from what it once was, and it continues to change.  For an increasingly large number of climbers the list of core and secondary elements that I listed will be shuffled around in some combination, with some elements disappearing entirely. No doubt there are some additions. This has changed outdoor climbing because what was once deemed most valuable is no longer. What was once mainstream is now passé.
This is the way of all things, it is inexorable, but that doesn't make me any less perplexed by the new or mournful for the old.

I hope that makes some sort of sense.

To put it a different and much more succinct way, it sometimes feels like Droyd's image, but with the roles reversed.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Bradders on October 27, 2023, 02:42:45 pm
We can presumably agree that both the UK 3 peaks and depot challenges are disgraceful wastes of fuel, quite apart from any consideration of aesthetics. The driving for that depot one is grim, and for what?!

Presumably you feel the same about people from Sheffield making a twice weekly 4hr round trip to Malham in season? To pick just one example of how one person's disgraceful waste of resources is another's enjoyable pastime.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: M1V0 on October 27, 2023, 02:49:17 pm
To put it a different and much more succinct way, it sometimes feels like Droyd's image, but with the roles reversed.

The owner of the Arch fancies you?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on October 27, 2023, 02:51:38 pm
Presumably you feel the same about people from Sheffield making a twice weekly 4hr round trip to Malham in season? To pick just one example of how one person's disgraceful waste of resources is another's enjoyable pastime.

Or for example driving from London to Scotland to shoot wildlifelike a mate of mine does, or another who drives from London to Wales to fish. One man's meat is another man's poisson.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 27, 2023, 02:53:22 pm
When I was a teenager I became completely besotted with an activity which had at its core such things as: adventure, connection to the natural world, aesthetics, romance, risk, beauty, history and the connection of people through place. Of course there were other important elements such as difficulty, numbers, athleticism, ego etc,

You're only allowed to become besotted with those things if you live within a 20 mile radious of a crag. God forbid a Londoner or someone from East Anglia wants to climb outside  :o :o
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Catcheemonkey on October 27, 2023, 03:38:06 pm
One man's meat is another man's poisson.

You should piscine and not herd.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 27, 2023, 04:04:52 pm
We can presumably agree that both the UK 3 peaks and depot challenges are disgraceful wastes of fuel, quite apart from any consideration of aesthetics. The driving for that depot one is grim, and for what?!

Presumably you feel the same about people from Sheffield making a twice weekly 4hr round trip to Malham in season? To pick just one example of how one person's disgraceful waste of resources is another's enjoyable pastime.

This is a complete straw man as far as I'm concerned. Doing a journey repeatedly for something which makes them happy (fishing, climbing, even shooting wild animals as per SA Chris' example), and gives joy every time it is done is different. These activities have value beyond the arbitrariness of an invented challenge. This would be the same for people who invented an arbitrary challenge about outdoor climbing as well. It's nothing against indoor climbing, it's a philosophical position taken against arbitrary challenges. If people want to do them then biking is clearly the way to go and keep them localised (London walls, Yorkshire crags, welsh 3 peaks etc).

I consider the 3 Peaks pretty much both an environmental crime and also really dangerous, there's no way you can drive safely after that level of exertion. It very literally puts the public at risk. I haven't done the calcs on how many miles the depot one is but I bet its a lot. (side note, but actively choosing to drive in Birmingham when you don't have to is already a dumb decision). It also doesn't have anything approaching the same aesthetic and cultural value as even the 3 peaks. The 3 highest mountains in the UK has an obvious attraction that far, far exceeds the particular configuration of all the black holds in multiple different industrial estates in the northern half of the country.

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 27, 2023, 04:10:05 pm
To continue, I would consider those morons who try to complete all the 8000m peaks in a single season the absolute zenith of this phenomenon.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Droyd on October 27, 2023, 04:16:07 pm
I hope that makes some sort of sense.

Without wishing to be too glib, it seems like the thing that has "changed outdoor climbing" for you is, somewhat bizarrely, not changes in the behaviour of other people who are climbing outdoors, but the fact that other people are climbing indoors, and approach that with a different set of values to the ones you have when you climb outdoors. Which seems a bit weird.

To me they're basically completely different things that have some overlap in terms of the skills and physiological adaptations required to be successful, but for the most part have diverged and are continuing to - particularly in terms of what they provide the soul (i.e. moments among the timeless beauty of nature, feeling at one with the universe and having separated the superego and the id in order to commune with the pure challenge of raging up the proj vs. slapping about on pink blobs like an idiot) - to the extent that I don't really see how one affects the other. Obviously that's leaving aside what happens when people who have come up in indoor walls treat crags in the same way (littering, misuse of chalk, etc.), but then I really can't imagine that anyone who has done or might do this Depot challenge has or will ever climb on rock, at least regularly.

So how does that affect you?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: joel182 on October 27, 2023, 04:17:32 pm
Can we get a list of which challenges in climbing are arbitrary and which aren't? Bit concerned that my trips to my local limestone bouldering venue aren't going to get ethics committee approval and I'll have to buy a bike
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 27, 2023, 04:20:21 pm
All challenges are arbitrary, but ones involving a time limit particularly so. Indeed, a lot of bouldering is arbitrary too; I don't like eliminates and most sit starts either!

Obviously everyone is free to do as they wish with their time, just as I am free to think people willingly spending 6 hours in the car driving around the UK to climb on impermanent plastic are totally mental.  :devangel:

I agree with Droyd that there is increasingly little to no overlap between indoor climbing culture and outdoor climbing culture. They've been near enough separate sports for ages but they shared a common culture, which I think is fracturing if not already gone. Prob no bad thing in lots of ways because as you say each group doesn't affect the other negatively the majority of the time.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 27, 2023, 04:32:22 pm
I hope that makes some sort of sense.

So how does that affect you?

It doesn’t but otherwise what else would he post about on UKB? I’ve never seen someone be so miserable about something that has no bearing on their life  :lol: imagine giving a shit about people climbing indoors lmao
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on October 27, 2023, 04:34:02 pm
To continue, I would consider those morons who try to complete all the 8000m peaks in a single season the absolute zenith of this phenomenon.

Add in surfers who fly halfway around the world based on a forecast of good conditions that will last for 2 or 3 days.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on October 27, 2023, 04:39:49 pm
I am trying to find Alex Huber's magnificent rant about what he thinks about climbers who do N routes of grade X instead of a hard route. Cannot find it. Any ideas? (Worst possible case is that I read it on paper somewhere).
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: abarro81 on October 27, 2023, 04:45:26 pm
I don't think I've ever read it, but - assuming Huber had contempt for those just doing lots of routes below their max rather than putting time into something hard - I've definitely read Andrada espousing just the opposite view (i.e. that it's a bit pathetic when people just siege hard routes but are terrible at onsights, flashes and quick ticks). Fight! Fight! Fight!  :boxing:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 27, 2023, 04:49:47 pm
I would watch a fight between Huber and Andrada.
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wellsy on October 27, 2023, 05:11:01 pm
The idea that people climbing loads of problems at the Depot negatively impacts outdoor climbing or is somehow inherently lesser is just big ol jokes

What happens is that, as always, someone spots some people harmlessly having fun the wrong way (The Wrong Way!!!!!), but knows that they can't just sneer at it for being stupid and wrong, so they make up a load of cobblers about how look I like indoor climbing and I have done it and some of my best friends are indoor climbers etc but in some way the soul, the essence of climbing has been bismirched by these people doing this thing in the Depot

And as always it's like lol okay then but also so what

This post meant in good wholesome banter-y manners
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on October 27, 2023, 05:12:10 pm
Wow.
Reading this thread, it’s almost like we’re all different.
See things differently, even enjoy or hate different parts of the same things.

Wow.

Who knew.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on October 27, 2023, 05:20:09 pm
All challenges are arbitrary, but ones involving a time limit particularly so. Indeed, a lot of bouldering is arbitrary too; I don't like eliminates and most sit starts either!


Just bouldering? not the routes cheek by cheek at sports cliffs or Stanage, or routes where you do a few moves of new climbing to link two exiting routes  ;D

I think the impact of these things should just be considered in terms of carbon, and someone doing this challenge would only be driving 250 miles or so dependent on where they live, so no different from a weekend trip to N Wales and substantially less than a sunny sport climbing trip to Spain.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 27, 2023, 05:40:00 pm
Haha touché! Yeah, it's all arbitrary and obviously not just bouldering. But I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that these things are on a spectrum, no? It's obviously a matter of opinion but it's not an unreasonable view to hold.

I take your point about impact, but the end result of this line of argument is surely there is no point having an opinion about anything cause there is always something worse? Seems to miss the point. Also for me, for the reasons I argued above, there is a big difference in terms of between a holiday or weekend away and a 24 hour challenge in terms of memories/happiness. But as I also said, if doing this challenge makes people happy then fair enough, but it's also fair enough to think it's dumb.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wellsy on October 27, 2023, 06:04:34 pm
I would watch a fight between Huber and Andrada.

100%
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on October 27, 2023, 06:19:27 pm

I take your point about impact, but the end result of this line of argument is surely there is no point having an opinion about anything cause there is always something worse? Seems to miss the point.

I was just trying to frame in in terms of overall 'harm' I guess, as in if it's not causing anyone else harm let them crack on with what they find fun. It's not outside the realms of what a lot of people would get up to in a weekend in terms of travel, whether that's driving to dry rock, to watch sport, have a city break or whatever and as such I don't have an issue with it in those terms.

Where and from what people derive value is deeply personal, and I don't think any of our pasttimes have more intrinsic value than others really. I can imagine doing something like this with a crew if that's what you were into could form some great memories.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on October 27, 2023, 07:54:39 pm
I would watch a fight between Huber and Andrada.

100%

Even in Plasticine form. Bring back Celebrity Death Match.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 27, 2023, 08:41:12 pm
I hope that makes some sort of sense.

So how does that affect you?

It doesn’t

I agree with Droyd that there is increasingly little to no overlap between indoor climbing culture and outdoor climbing culture.


I don't agree. The Indoors (maybe it's Indoors/Bouldering) tendency has entered rock climbing and has changed it quite a bit. Some examples:
The perception of quality has changed from how I perceive it. It's obviously a personal thing, and that's fine, but it's becoming increasingly mainstream to think of eliminates/dabby moves/lowball arse-scrapers etc as having equal potential for quality as their opposites.

People are more likely to define a climb by its sequence than by its line. For instance that hoo-ha about The Prow at Kyloe. I definitely get that Franco shouldn't have said he'd climbed The Prow 8A but I think he had a point that he'd climbed the prow. A better example is when people ask at sport climbing crags whether a hold is in or not. Like, yeah, duh!

I don't remember anybody giving nearly as much of a shit about dabbing as they seem to now. The dab thread on here is tremendous fun and some of those people are absolutely bang to rights, but sometimes it goes too far. There was that bloke who did a hard thing and scuffed his foot on a tree as he topped out. I couldn't believe that people actually thought that invalidated what he'd just done.

On that highballing thread we had a while ago I thought it was strange how style was deemed to have no worth, because in indoor climbing/bouldering getting to the top was all that mattered. This is contrary to my experience of climbing.


So that's a few examples. However, that's just my perspective. Some people who started sport climbing in earnest earlier than I did will probably see my pre-clipping of two bolts as a loss to the game. We don't tell each other that The Leader Shall Not Fall any more. I bet there were people in the 70s who felt like something had been lost because you could now fall off without dying. As I said before, time and tide wait for nobody, but it still baffles me that people have to film EVERYTHING now.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on October 27, 2023, 09:17:40 pm
The ‘leader must not fall’ still often applies when ice climbing especially when it’s less than vertical, which is most ice climbing. Not because you’ll die - because the ice screw you placed in ok ice will probably hold - but because you’ll probably break you ankle/leg when you stop in crampons. Will should take it up to get the fuzzy feeling of worthiness. Warm jumpers for goalposts.



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This is a complete straw man as far as I'm concerned. Doing a journey repeatedly for something which makes them happy (fishing, climbing, even shooting wild animals as per SA Chris' example), and gives joy every time it is done is different. These activities have value beyond the arbitrariness of an invented challenge. This would be the same for people who invented an arbitrary challenge about outdoor climbing as well. It's nothing against indoor climbing, it's a philosophical position taken against arbitrary challenges. If people want to do them then biking is clearly the way to go and keep them localised (London walls, Yorkshire crags, welsh 3 peaks etc).

This idea interests me because I honestly have difficulty seeing any difference in arbitrariness or value between any leisure activity. You projecting a lifetime goal route on your lifetime goal crag is no more ot less arbitrary to me than you dicking around trying to do the three peaks in a diving helmet whilst juggling plates. I mean that sincerely, it’s all arbitrary imo, and none of us are doing anything more important than anyone else, except perhaps in our own inner worlds and whoever’s gullible enough to be convinced by us.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: lukeyboy on October 27, 2023, 10:55:00 pm
It's all fucking pointless isn't it
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: NaoB on October 27, 2023, 11:44:45 pm
What separates the Depot challenge from things like the 3 peaks is that your achievement would vanish after a reset. Maybe it should be done every month???!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on October 28, 2023, 11:26:07 am
Impermanence doesn’t imo change the relative value of an activity.

Alberto Tomba won multiple Olympic, World Cup and world championship skiing titles. Is his choice of activity somehow leas worthy (than what..) because those slalom courses no longer exist.

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Droyd on October 28, 2023, 12:04:33 pm
Will, I agree with you insofar as all of the things that you’ve listed a) can probably be linked back to indoor walls and b) aren’t positive developments in relation to the values I have in my own climbing. But I still don’t see how they affect your climbing, i.e. what you do when you have a day off work or family commitments and head out to the crag yourself.

I’ve made this point before on here, with regard to calling people out for dabbing: why does what other people do (or fail to do) affect your enjoyment of your hobby, assuming they don’t do anything that damages the rock, affects access, or have any other tangible impact on the physical world? To me it’s really similar to the people on UKC that get wound up about other people headpointing things that they themselves wouldn’t headpoint, in that I can understand how it doesn’t fit with their values but am totally baffled as to why they think they have a say in how other people spend their time, and completely fail to understand how it detracts from their experiences of onsighting things/not headpointing things.

So to clarify my question of 'how does that affect you?' a little: even if the ratty indoor mindset has corroded the soul of outdoor climbing such that everyone else is now scrapping their way up overhyped and overgraded dabby things that they didn’t even do the hard moves on because they crouch started them all, what does that take away from you? If people are putting up garbage sit-starts and then spraying about them on social media and giving them five stars, how does that prevent you from ego-lessly bricking it on your HVS at the Roaches, or lessen your enjoyment?

Just to add: not intended to be a moralising, 'gotcha' thing, although it reads a bit that way. Genuinely interested!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 28, 2023, 12:31:07 pm
John Donne has the answer.
No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as any manner of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.


There's no denying that climbing can be individualistic, but I have always experienced it as something with a very strong sense of community.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, but do you understand my point of view?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 28, 2023, 01:00:33 pm
Imagine you've pulled up to a crag, parked neatly, are packing your pads ready to walk in, and someone trots along the road next to you, stops right in front of you, and does a massive rancid, post-curry, steaming dump on the road, that whilst it doesn't get in the way of the walk-in at all, doesn't actually impinge on your climbing plans, is done right in full, unavoidable view, so the manure-fountain is indelibly seared into your retina...


THAT :shit: :shit: :shit: is  other people headpointing things that they themselves wouldn’t headpoint / everyone else is now scrapping their way up overhyped and overgraded dabby things that they didn’t even do the hard moves on because they crouch started them all / putting up garbage sit-starts and then spraying about them on social media and giving them five stars. With that sodding indoor-wank filming wooden pedestal thing jabbed in it like a flake in crapnetto.

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Droyd on October 28, 2023, 01:06:25 pm
Really lovely use of quotation, thanks Will. I understand the feeling you have ('climbing' as a whole changing and being something that I increasingly struggle to recognise) but not the response to it (this being something to be addressed by taking the piss out of 'London climbers' as an imagined community that is responsible for this change).

Ultimately I think we agree that the things you're talking about are antithetical to the values we hold in climbing (which I think are really similar), so maybe the thing we disagree regarding is just who to blame and whether it's worth fighting. To my mind the issue isn't clueless Londoners applying their hipster sensibilities and massive disposable incomes to climbing, but the people who shape those clueless Londoners into climbers whose values clash with ours - i.e. wall owners and climbing-specific media and product and service companies who focus on metrics, success, and profit above quality and sustainability of experience.

And Fiend, I love extended metaphors about shit as much as anyone, but I'm not convinced that that's anything beyond ‘my brand of pointless fun is subjectively better than your brand of pointless fun’, in which case (turd emojis notwithstanding) it's not that valuable a contribution.

Anyway, this is a long way from The Three Seven Depots Challenge, so enough from me.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 28, 2023, 01:10:54 pm
No it's a serious point that the sort of behaviour in question in theory doesn't physically impinge on one's personal enjoyment, but in climbing as a community and publicly shared activity as Will highlighted, it is still unavoidably repulsive. I suppose if people did those revolting things and kept them entirely private it would be less awful. A bit like the weirdo in my metaphor going for a shit on an entirely different and secluded country lane that no-one ever saw.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Droyd on October 28, 2023, 01:33:05 pm
Can you explain why any one of those things is of detriment not to your climbing but to this imagined 'climbing community', without resorting to subjective language? i.e. you can't just say that it's bad because you think it's bad and refuse to acknowledge that it's a type of climbing that other people get pleasure out of. Bonus points if you can do so without selectively defining 'climbing' or 'the climbing community' to fit your argument (so no 'those people aren't even climbers' or 'tottering HXS 3c shale is the only real form of climbing' nonsense).
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: 36chambers on October 28, 2023, 01:53:46 pm
As I said before, time and tide wait for nobody, but it still baffles me that people have to film EVERYTHING now.

Agreed, these people need to take a long hard look in the mirror :devil-smiley:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CplcdrGjN8J/

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy moles on October 28, 2023, 01:56:59 pm
UKB, don't ever change.

The 3 highest mountains in the UK has an obvious attraction

Point of order, they aren't the 3 highest mountains in the UK. By the most commonly used prominence thresholds, they are the 1st, 57th and 184th* highest mountains. Since when did mountains care about arbitrary political borders?

*if anyone's feeling really pedantic, you may wish to review this. 
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 28, 2023, 02:17:04 pm
No it's a serious point that the sort of behaviour in question in theory doesn't physically impinge on one's personal enjoyment, but in climbing as a community and publicly shared activity as Will highlighted, it is still unavoidably repulsive. I suppose if people did those revolting things and kept them entirely private it would be less awful. A bit like the weirdo in my metaphor going for a shit on an entirely different and secluded country lane that no-one ever saw.

Both you and Will have put up shit first ascents and sprayed about it on your social media accounts  :lol: maybe before talking smack you could delete your Instagram and Facebook and UKB accounts  ::)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: stone on October 28, 2023, 02:36:25 pm
I'm all for trying to foster multiculturalism in climbing ethics as in everything else.

Can't we have it where people at the crag are convivial across the dabbing/pre-clipping/filming/whatever divides but still enjoy their own sub-communities and cultures if they want?

Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 28, 2023, 02:40:41 pm
Droyd ; even if you're right and the actions of part of the climbing community don't directly affect others, does that mean having a negative opinion of it is wrong? Are people only allowed opinions on things that directly affect them? It's not a line of argument that holds in my opinion. One can hold negative views about things that will never affect their lives directly without it being in any way problematic.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 28, 2023, 02:46:15 pm
No it's a serious point that the sort of behaviour in question in theory doesn't physically impinge on one's personal enjoyment, but in climbing as a community and publicly shared activity as Will highlighted, it is still unavoidably repulsive. I suppose if people did those revolting things and kept them entirely private it would be less awful. A bit like the weirdo in my metaphor going for a shit on an entirely different and secluded country lane that no-one ever saw.

Both you and Will have put up shit first ascents and sprayed about it on your social media accounts  :lol: maybe before talking smack you could delete your Instagram and Facebook and UKB accounts  ::)

You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Do you currently own the Steve Dunning Depot Round record?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: stone on October 28, 2023, 02:48:28 pm
Droyd ; even if you're right and the actions of part of the climbing community don't directly affect others, does that mean having a negative opinion of it is wrong? Are people only allowed opinions on things that directly affect them? It's not a line of argument that holds in my opinion. One can hold negative views about things that will never affect their lives directly without it being in any way problematic.

I think it is better to be positive and practice and talk about the climbing style that you find personally satisfying for yourself.

That seems to me to be quite different from being disparaging about others who choose differently.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on October 28, 2023, 02:49:02 pm
I'm going to point out that I fell in love with climbing at the original Arch when it was in a grubby railway arch next to London Bridge station, and there was a direct path from that to me getting hooked on gritstone, ending up moving up north, and spending too much time trying to drag people into climbing disgusting offwidths with me.

So:

a) I tend to think these climbing worlds are far less radically incompatible than people like to imagine.

b) As someone who voluntarily climbs offwidths, I don't think I'm in any position to judge the perverse, pointless and revolting things other people get up to.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 28, 2023, 02:52:26 pm
No it's a serious point that the sort of behaviour in question in theory doesn't physically impinge on one's personal enjoyment, but in climbing as a community and publicly shared activity as Will highlighted, it is still unavoidably repulsive. I suppose if people did those revolting things and kept them entirely private it would be less awful. A bit like the weirdo in my metaphor going for a shit on an entirely different and secluded country lane that no-one ever saw.

Both you and Will have put up shit first ascents and sprayed about it on your social media accounts  :lol: maybe before talking smack you could delete your Instagram and Facebook and UKB accounts  ::)

You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Do you currently own the Steve Dunning Depot Round record?

Not taking it personally at all, I just hate miserable hypocrites trying to dictate how others should enjoy climbing when they’re guilty of the exact same stuff they’re complaining about  :beer2:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 28, 2023, 02:54:10 pm
Droyd ; even if you're right and the actions of part of the climbing community don't directly affect others, does that mean having a negative opinion of it is wrong? Are people only allowed opinions on things that directly affect them? It's not a line of argument that holds in my opinion. One can hold negative views about things that will never affect their lives directly without it being in any way problematic.

I think it is better to be positive and practice and talk about the climbing style that you find personally satisfying for yourself.

That seems to me to be quite different from being disparaging about others who choose differently.

Yes, that's fair comment. But part of the reason we are positive about things we like is because we set them in opposition against things we don't. It's all on a spectrum. It doesn't seem unreasonable to discuss both ends of that spectrum surely. I'm just interested in the idea that it's not a reasonable /appropriate line of argument.

Carlos; I don't think anyone is dictating anything. They're saying they think what they're choosing to do is fucking stupid. You might think that makes them a wanker and that's fair enough but I dont think there's any dictating going on.

FWIW I think this is an interesting philosophical discussion
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 28, 2023, 03:02:40 pm
Droyd ; even if you're right and the actions of part of the climbing community don't directly affect others, does that mean having a negative opinion of it is wrong? Are people only allowed opinions on things that directly affect them? It's not a line of argument that holds in my opinion. One can hold negative views about things that will never affect their lives directly without it being in any way problematic.

I think it is better to be positive and practice and talk about the climbing style that you find personally satisfying for yourself.

That seems to me to be quite different from being disparaging about others who choose differently.

Yes, that's fair comment. But part of the reason we are positive about things we like is because we set them in opposition against things we don't. It's all on a spectrum. It doesn't seem unreasonable to discuss both ends of that spectrum surely. I'm just interested in the idea that it's not a reasonable /appropriate line of argument.

Carlos; I don't think anyone is dictating anything. They're saying they think what they're choosing to do is fucking stupid. You might think that makes them a wanker and that's fair enough but I dont think there's any dictating going on.

FWIW I think this is an interesting philosophical discussion

“I suppose if people did those revolting things and kept them entirely private it would be less awful.”

To me that is dictating how people should behave. And just like they’re giving their opinion am also entitled to mine.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: stone on October 28, 2023, 03:10:30 pm
I think this pertains to how we all get along in the wider world and not just in climbing.

I guess most people think we should all look out for one another. Some people express that by imposing their values and choices onto others, guiding other people to take the correct path as they see it. Others express that by defending other peoples' freedom to do as they choose.

People are different and who is to say who is right anyway. That's why I think the live-and-let-live approach makes more sense.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on October 28, 2023, 03:10:39 pm
Two things..
Slab_happy, did ‘Offwidth’ steal your username?
And, Fiend based on that turd analogy, if ‘comparison is the root cause of unhappiness’ then you seem doomed to remain forever unhappy.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on October 28, 2023, 03:19:30 pm
Two things..
Slab_happy, did ‘Offwidth’ steal your username?
And, Fiend based on that turd analogy, if ‘comparison is the root cause of unhappiness’ then you seem doomed to remain forever unhappy.

I also enjoy cheesegrating bits of my body skidding down slabs! Or shredding my nerves not skidding down them.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: edshakey on October 28, 2023, 03:43:52 pm
The popularity of this thread today very accurately reflects the weather. We'd have missed out on all of this if there was good conditions out!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: stone on October 28, 2023, 03:44:55 pm
I don't think anyone is dictating anything. They're saying they think what they're choosing to do is fucking stupid. You might think that makes them a wanker and that's fair enough but I dont think there's any dictating going on.

I think disparaging someone is a sort of dictating. Humans are social animals. Being welcome in wider society is crucial to most people. Solitary confinement is unbearable for many/most people. I think disparaging what someone chooses to do is a sort of social exclusion. That's why I think it is important to stick to being positive about our own choices and not to stray into disparaging other peoples' choices.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Oldmanmatt on October 28, 2023, 03:56:38 pm
I don't think anyone is dictating anything. They're saying they think what they're choosing to do is fucking stupid. You might think that makes them a wanker and that's fair enough but I dont think there's any dictating going on.

I think disparaging someone is a sort of dictating. Humans are social animals. Being welcome in wider society is crucial to most people. Solitary confinement is unbearable for many/most people. I think disparaging what someone chooses to do is a sort of social exclusion. That's why I think it is important to stick to being positive about our own choices and not to stray into disparaging other peoples' choices.

Ditto.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 28, 2023, 04:07:03 pm
Not taking it personally at all, I just hate miserable hypocrites trying to dictate how others should enjoy climbing when they’re guilty of the exact same stuff they’re complaining about  :beer2:

I don't think you've read or understood what I've written. I'm not, nor could I, dictate how anyone enjoys climbing. My argument is that indoor climbers/those who only boulder generally have a different attitude towards climbing (of course there are exceptions, Slab), and that these attitudes have spread beyond indoors/bouldering. The climbing community has changed from how it was when I started. This thread pokes fun at that. Railing about something is not the same as trying to change it.

Stone, to reflect your argument back to you:
Imagine a hypothetical climber who valued all the things I mentioned in my previous post, and who would turn up to a crag and find like-minded individuals and a community that they felt they belonged to. Can you then imagine how they might feel marginalised within that community as it changes over time?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 28, 2023, 04:13:56 pm
Not taking it personally at all, I just hate miserable hypocrites trying to dictate how others should enjoy climbing when they’re guilty of the exact same stuff they’re complaining about  :beer2:

I don't think you've read or understood what I've written. I'm not, nor could I, dictate how anyone enjoys climbing. My argument is that indoor climbers/those who only boulder generally have a different attitude towards climbing (of course there are exceptions, Slab), and that these attitudes have spread beyond indoors/bouldering. The climbing community has changed from how it was when I started. This thread pokes fun at that. Railing about something is not the same as trying to change it.

Stone, to reflect your argument back to you:
Imagine a hypothetical climber who valued all the things I mentioned in my previous post, and who would turn up to a crag and find like-minded individuals and a community that they felt they belonged to. Can you then imagine how they might feel marginalised within that community as it changes over time?

Do you not get bored of always complaining about the state of climbing? It’s pretty much the same thing you always complain about on here, it’s kinda boring. Also woe is me, you feel marginalised because climbing isn’t just about onsighting HVS’ anymore and people like to do other things (of which you have plenty videos of you doing those same things I.E. crappy lowball choss) - hence why I wanted to call out both of you for also being total hypocrites  ;D
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 28, 2023, 04:16:00 pm
Hmm, whilst of course I would agree that living and let living is a noble ideal I also would defend piss taking and disparaging as part of a healthy society, and not something to be discouraged per se. It's probably the bit of British culture I like the most!

I do not agree that taking the piss is a form of social exclusion, I think that would be over egging it.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: teestub on October 28, 2023, 04:17:23 pm

Stone, to reflect your argument back to you:
Imagine a hypothetical climber who valued all the things I mentioned in my previous post, and who would turn up to a crag and find like-minded individuals and a community that they felt they belonged to. Can you then imagine how they might feel marginalised within that community as it changes over time?

I'm sure there are plenty of individuals within the climbing community that share your values still, there's just more breadth now? Like if you go to Gimmer or Scafell east buttress I would assume there is still a dearth of portable fingerboards, bluetooth speakers and live streaming?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Will Hunt on October 28, 2023, 04:33:36 pm

Stone, to reflect your argument back to you:
Imagine a hypothetical climber who valued all the things I mentioned in my previous post, and who would turn up to a crag and find like-minded individuals and a community that they felt they belonged to. Can you then imagine how they might feel marginalised within that community as it changes over time?

I'm sure there are plenty of individuals within the climbing community that share your values still, there's just more breadth now? Like if you go to Gimmer or Scafell east buttress I would assume there is still a dearth of portable fingerboards, bluetooth speakers and live streaming?

Nah, it's helmet-mounted GoPros up there these days!

Carlos, you still don't seem to understand what I'm getting at. Never mind.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: stone on October 28, 2023, 04:34:29 pm
I think piss-taking should be kept between close trusted friends. Then it can be friendly banter. Outside such circumstances I think it can be exclusionary meanness.

Basically, if you want to hang out with someone regardless of whether they continue to do what you are taking the piss out of, and they are sure of that, then it's probably OK to take the piss. Otherwise it probably isn't.

I'm happy to be corrected on this.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on October 28, 2023, 04:41:27 pm
I think that is entirely down to how sensitive or otherwise one is to be honest. I would happily take the piss out of, and have happily been subject to piss taking from, people who I do not know well. Frankly a lot of the time that's a mark of acceptance.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: RobK on October 28, 2023, 04:51:10 pm
A better example is when people ask at sport climbing crags whether a hold is in or not. Like, yeah, duh!

Sorry, way way off topic (have enjoyed reading this exchange btw), but I'm not so sure I agree with this. I used to have the same view, but have come across quite a few sport routes where you can have radically different experiences dependent on sequence and, if a particular sequence defines a route, then if you avoid it by using say holds a little off to the side, but still within reach of the bolts, then I think an argument can be made you haven't 'done' the route.

Not the best example of this, but prudent as I literally asked you this the other week(!), but I would have a had a very different experience on the top of Rated PG if I'd just used the Consenting jug. Now the top of RPG isn't exactly a route defining sequence, hence why this isn't the best example, but I don't think the line of whether holds are in or not on a sport route is as clear as you make out.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: stone on October 28, 2023, 04:51:21 pm
I can see that this is not just about how well you know someone but also about how well they fit in and intentions etc.

I guess you're not saying it can be a mark of acceptance to take the piss out of someone when you don't want to hang out with them unless they change?

At the most, that seems to me a qualified offer of potential acceptance.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 28, 2023, 04:59:37 pm
Dingdong do you need some soothing ointment applied anywhere?? I'm sure Will wasn't referring to any boulderswithcarlos in particular....
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 28, 2023, 05:02:15 pm
I think disparaging someone is a sort of dictating. Humans are social animals. Being welcome in wider society is crucial to most people. Solitary confinement is unbearable for many/most people. I think disparaging what someone chooses to do is a sort of social exclusion. That's why I think it is important to stick to being positive about our own choices and not to stray into disparaging other peoples' choices.
Is it different when you're disparaging the majority, as awful as they are?!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: RobK on October 28, 2023, 05:04:34 pm
Duplicate post, sorry!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: stone on October 28, 2023, 05:10:50 pm
I think disparaging someone is a sort of dictating. Humans are social animals. Being welcome in wider society is crucial to most people. Solitary confinement is unbearable for many/most people. I think disparaging what someone chooses to do is a sort of social exclusion. That's why I think it is important to stick to being positive about our own choices and not to stray into disparaging other peoples' choices.
Is it different when you're disparaging the majority, as awful as they are?!
It's less harmful when they are in the majority and confident in themselves etc but still not great IMO.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 28, 2023, 05:14:17 pm
Dingdong do you need some soothing ointment applied anywhere?? I'm sure Will wasn't referring to any boulderswithcarlos in particular....

I think you two are the ones needing the soothing ointment seeing as you spend 99% of your lives crying about something or other on here while everyone else is out enjoying themselves  :lol:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 28, 2023, 05:36:50 pm
On-topic posts since Will rightly raised this horrifying issue:

DingDong: CHARACTERS 1759 WORDS 316
Fiend: CHARACTERS 2039 WORDS 343

Hardly a massive discrepancy, plus I've got the man-flu, a tweaked knee, and no I'm not out enjoying myself bouldering on damp grit or whatever.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy moles on October 28, 2023, 05:41:31 pm
Imagine you've pulled up to a crag, parked neatly, are packing your pads ready to walk in, and someone trots along the road next to you, stops right in front of you, and does a massive rancid, post-curry, steaming dump on the road, that whilst it doesn't get in the way of the walk-in at all, doesn't actually impinge on your climbing plans, is done right in full, unavoidable view, so the manure-fountain is indelibly seared into your retina...

This is tremendous. I really hope this is not an exaggeration Fiend, and that that vividly rendered scenario really is analogous to how you feel about overhyped style trangressions.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 28, 2023, 05:52:12 pm
Errrrrr......... :ninja:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: webbo on October 28, 2023, 05:56:37 pm
Is this another of Dans threads about the lack of romance in modern climbing.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: User deactivated. on October 28, 2023, 06:37:22 pm
No it's a serious point that the sort of behaviour in question in theory doesn't physically impinge on one's personal enjoyment, but in climbing as a community and publicly shared activity as Will highlighted, it is still unavoidably repulsive. I suppose if people did those revolting things and kept them entirely private it would be less awful. A bit like the weirdo in my metaphor going for a shit on an entirely different and secluded country lane that no-one ever saw.

Both you and Will have put up shit first ascents and sprayed about it on your social media accounts  :lol: maybe before talking smack you could delete your Instagram and Facebook and UKB accounts  ::)

 :agree:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on October 28, 2023, 06:47:11 pm
I dunno webbo there seems to be a fair bit of romance on the go....
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: webbo on October 28, 2023, 06:56:40 pm
I dunno webbo there seems to be a fair bit of romance on the go....
Well you are certainly my go to Romantic author. I never knew how injuries and failing on stuff could be portrayed so lovingly.😂😂😂
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on October 28, 2023, 07:13:44 pm
I dunno webbo there seems to be a fair bit of romance on the go....

What's wrong Matt, feeling left out of the love mate?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: stone on October 28, 2023, 09:23:19 pm
[Stone, to reflect your argument back to you:
Imagine a hypothetical climber who valued all the things I mentioned in my previous post, and who would turn up to a crag and find like-minded individuals and a community that they felt they belonged to. Can you then imagine how they might feel marginalised within that community as it changes over time?

Yes I can imagine how they might feel marginalised. That's why I think it is important to be friendly and respectful towards them and their perhaps now esoteric way of doing things. If someone wants to climb at say Raven Tor not using chalk and yo-yo style or whatever- then roll with it and make them feel welcome as with everyone else.

People can feel a welcome part of a diverse community. Conformity isn't what is needed for social cohesion IMO.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mrjonathanr on October 29, 2023, 11:21:10 am
Conformity isn't what is needed for social cohesion IMO.

Can't believe that the validity of non-conformity requires defending on a climbing forum. Absurd that this even seems reasonable to debate tbh
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on October 30, 2023, 08:33:16 am
UKB, don't ever change.

The 3 highest mountains in the UK has an obvious attraction

Point of order, they aren't the 3 highest mountains in the UK. By the most commonly used prominence thresholds, they are the 1st, 57th and 184th* highest mountains. Since when did mountains care about arbitrary political borders?

*if anyone's feeling really pedantic, you may wish to review this.

Doing a 3 Bs challenge has less carbon footprint* though, so what's the point?

*Or possibly more actually, depending on where you travel from (esp London).
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: JamieG on November 02, 2023, 08:15:41 pm
At the risk of re-starting a bun-fight . . .

I've been mulling this for a few days and something that keeps bugging me is that the idea that all these activities are equally arbitrary and therefore any 'value' judgement is meaningless. I find this slightly disingenuous. We all definitely have a rough sense of how arbitrary a challenge is and mostly tend to prefer ones with less 'rules'. To give a ridiculous example: the 100m sprint is at it's heart very simple. But if you started saying I personally prefer to run 99m with a flipper on my foot and a high heel on the other, then that is obviously more arbitrary as it has more 'rules' and to a certain extent has lesser value. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't enjoy it, but just recognise that is is definitely more arbitrary/niche. (I say this as someone how has developed some lovely lines (I think) and some grotty ones too!)

The same is true for climbing. I think we all like climbs that are clean lines, with few/no eliminate holds, nice moves, (probably stand starts) etc. But to say that all boulders/climbing challenges are born equal rings a little hollow to me.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Moo on November 02, 2023, 08:48:25 pm
Agree with jamie there, the more obvious the challenge and the fewer the rules, the better the quality of the climb in my book.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on November 02, 2023, 10:23:14 pm
Yup, lead 50 VSs in a day or climb 1000 m of vert is more simplistic and more appealing (to me anyway), than say climbing all the Brown and / or Whillans routes in the Eastern Peak in a day, alternating leads.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Aussiegav on November 06, 2023, 11:50:37 am
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/want-to-hang-out-tonight-fvw32bsmv

Be like Harry Styles.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on November 06, 2023, 12:29:05 pm
Great, does that mean more people at the wall dressed like whacky aunts?

https://people.com/style/harry-styles-best-fashion-moments/
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Paul B on November 06, 2023, 01:26:29 pm
The new Apple Watch advert features someone answering a call, mid (indoor) route. I bet that person would be popular on a Tue or Thur evening.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on November 06, 2023, 01:30:10 pm
Great, does that mean more people at the wall dressed like whacky aunts?

https://people.com/style/harry-styles-best-fashion-moments/


I mean, if you want climbing to retain some authentic outsider weirdness, surely it's far better to have people at the wall dressed like wacky aunts than wearing MothTech(tm)?

On a side note, kind of hilarious how much of that article is: "He wore a suit that was glittery or in a colour."  Ah yes, unprecedented. Male pop/rock stars have definitely never done that before.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on November 06, 2023, 01:32:15 pm
I'm all for authentic outsider weirdness, but not faux weirdness you are adopting just because your favourite star does it.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on November 06, 2023, 02:26:40 pm
Fair!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on November 06, 2023, 05:15:35 pm
"The fitness trend that is now the height of cool"  :'( :sick:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: petejh on November 06, 2023, 05:23:38 pm
Meet your new friends Matt.  :hug:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy moles on November 06, 2023, 05:39:40 pm
I had to look up the Lady Gaga reference. As far as I can tell her endorsement of climbing extends to posting a picture of herself doing via ferrata once.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on November 06, 2023, 07:37:24 pm
Meet your new friends Matt.  :hug:
UGH. It could be worse. I could have actively chosen to hunt out the Lady Gaga - "climbing" connection  :ohmy:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on November 11, 2023, 06:28:59 am
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67380226

Anyone like to hazard a guess at the grade of the Empire State Building as a top rope route?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: mark20 on November 11, 2023, 07:36:53 am
Knotted rope though .. back around  :worms:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E0AD/production/_131671575_crgettyimages-1784362068.jpg.webp)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Falling Down on November 11, 2023, 11:23:18 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fatboyslimfast2 on January 08, 2024, 09:44:16 am
Has Sharma/Mamoa reality climbing bollox  'climb' thing been mentioned on here, just saw an episode....WTaF......
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on January 08, 2024, 09:59:30 am
Discussed elsewhere. I avoided thinking the buts and whys and went along with it. The kids loved it.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: sxrxg on January 09, 2024, 12:25:30 am
Heineken owned beer company using climbing to fulfill corporate and social responsibility requirements...

https://beavertownbrewery.co.uk/pages/crush-loneliness-climbing

Seems to be for a good cause at least.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: steveri on January 19, 2024, 01:49:33 pm
Lordy, look at this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/C1RZzREtgFX/
https://www.commonclimber.com/copen-hill-climbing-wall.html

"The Amager Bakke ("Bakke" = "Hill" and Amager is a suburb of Copenhagen, Denmark) climbing wall was conceived and constructed rather differently than most climbing walls. Leading Danish architect, Bjarke Ingels (who has big projects all over the world and won the competition to build a large garbage incinerator for Copenhagen) wanted to include the citizens as users of the building. It needed to include hiking trails, a skislope on the roof, and a climbing wall up the outside of the building."
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on January 19, 2024, 04:10:01 pm
Although amazingly designed, there is one significant construction flaw - falling objects from climbers could hit passing skiers and hill-walkers. They installed a five-meter-wide net that was fixed from the climbers' starting platform positioned five-meters above the ground, but it didn't take long to discover that the net installation was not large enough when climbers are doing multipitch routes.

Dropped quickdraws, broken holds, and other items often fell 5-8 meters beyond the net. A larger net was calculated to cost $200,000 (US), which was far outside of the budget. Thus, a decision was made that multipitch climbing had to occur before 9 a.m. or after 8 p.m., when other users were off of the hill.


That is an amazing design failure that comes from loving the concept of a climbing wall up the outside of the building and not thinking at all about what it actually involves.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fultonius on January 19, 2024, 06:17:52 pm
Heineken owned beer company using climbing to fulfill corporate and social responsibility requirements...

https://beavertownbrewery.co.uk/pages/crush-loneliness-climbing

Seems to be for a good cause at least.

Kind of ironic, when Heineken (or a Heineken owned brewery) were trying to kick Het Lab out of their premises to build a new brewery last year...

(well, the landlord was. Heineken were wanting to move in)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: seankenny on January 19, 2024, 08:00:55 pm
Discussed elsewhere. I avoided thinking the buts and whys and went along with it. The kids loved it.

Which streaming platform is this on?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on January 19, 2024, 09:00:24 pm
Lordy, look at this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/C1RZzREtgFX/
https://www.commonclimber.com/copen-hill-climbing-wall.html

"The Amager Bakke ("Bakke" = "Hill" and Amager is a suburb of Copenhagen, Denmark) climbing wall was conceived and constructed rather differently than most climbing walls. Leading Danish architect, Bjarke Ingels (who has big projects all over the world and won the competition to build a large garbage incinerator for Copenhagen) wanted to include the citizens as users of the building. It needed to include hiking trails, a skislope on the roof, and a climbing wall up the outside of the building."
I would actually go to Denmark, coax andy popp out of retirement, and do that!!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Coops_13 on January 19, 2024, 09:16:56 pm
Discussed elsewhere. I avoided thinking the buts and whys and went along with it. The kids loved it.

Which streaming platform is this on?
HBO so Max I think is the platform name
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on January 22, 2024, 10:08:06 am
Not sure where to put this, but £650 fingerboard?

https://climbro.com/shop/
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Fiend on January 22, 2024, 10:15:02 am
Not sure where to put this
In the log burner.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on January 22, 2024, 10:30:11 am
Not sure where to put this, but £650 fingerboard?

https://climbro.com/shop/

What the actual ...? Renting? For people who do not know how multiplication work, I assume.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on January 22, 2024, 11:08:17 am
Not sure where to put this
In the log burner.

Burning Rosewood would be cheaper.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: User deactivated. on February 09, 2024, 09:23:09 pm
Meet the love of your life on the only platform for dating in climbing. No longer do you have to settle for punters and top ropers, filter your results by grade and style and swipe right today.

https://linktr.ee/boulderdatingapp?fbclid=PAAaal8V_WIRwpP2eF-mehlPxE78BuXNZLO95oFOQO5U18-9nd_6jWz7kkRls_aem_ASWctapw2PmdgBDlxxuniwfz0EQQ0dTaosdsrEvUR1fB4t9YIjhnX5hmmyid--VoLpdq5if5TX0eQ7qRr5Q1CC5H
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: shark on February 10, 2024, 11:23:22 am
Just for boulderers? That’s niche
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Paul B on February 10, 2024, 11:36:04 am
Who's got time for dating when you're ARCing your way through life?
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Falling Down on February 11, 2024, 12:02:59 pm
Meet the love of your life on the only platform for dating in climbing. No longer do you have to settle for punters and top ropers, filter your results by grade and style and swipe right today.

https://linktr.ee/boulderdatingapp?fbclid=PAAaal8V_WIRwpP2eF-mehlPxE78BuXNZLO95oFOQO5U18-9nd_6jWz7kkRls_aem_ASWctapw2PmdgBDlxxuniwfz0EQQ0dTaosdsrEvUR1fB4t9YIjhnX5hmmyid--VoLpdq5if5TX0eQ7qRr5Q1CC5H

I’m pretty sure that Yossarian already did this via LNDNCLMBR
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: slab_happy on February 11, 2024, 01:07:11 pm
Just for boulderers? That’s niche

Bit of mixed messaging with the carabiner logo.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: edshakey on February 11, 2024, 02:23:56 pm
Bit of mixed messaging with the carabiner logo.
I'd have said it would actually make sense considering who is likely using that app. I'm always surprised by the random screwgates and other hardware you see attached to chalk bags etc. at walls nowadays.
Not bouldering, but I did see someone with four different belay devices on their harness at Big Depot. They were not an instructor.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: remus on March 04, 2024, 10:37:10 pm
One of the biggest youtubers is now a climber, and has done a 20min video commentary about his indoor bouldering session.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcLaxJbWHZs
Title: Re: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Wellsy on March 05, 2024, 09:58:20 am
Saw that. His style of YouTube personality is definitely a blast from the past

I liked when he said "this V6-V7 block is realistically V3-V4 at most" because I was thinking it didn't look 7A lol
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: cheque on March 13, 2024, 08:45:52 pm
Hopefully a wind-up. (https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4XqILSt3Xd/?igsh=MW5wc3hqNW4wbm5kag==)
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Dingdong on March 13, 2024, 08:48:52 pm
Hopefully a wind-up. (https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4XqILSt3Xd/?igsh=MW5wc3hqNW4wbm5kag==)

More shite for the landfill
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: spidermonkey09 on March 13, 2024, 09:04:25 pm
Fortunately not designed for climbing, for motocross/anything using a bar apparently. Still no need for them to exist.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on March 13, 2024, 09:17:31 pm
dunno. Could maybe possibly work to protect the skin when doing extensive endurance. I used to get calluses higher up though, on the third phalange, until I got clued up and started to do it with gloves.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: webbo on March 13, 2024, 09:34:30 pm
 :wank:
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: lukeyboy on March 13, 2024, 10:15:17 pm
:wank:

Yeah, suppose that's another potential customer base
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Nike Air on March 13, 2024, 11:32:20 pm
Hopefully a wind-up. (https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4XqILSt3Xd/?igsh=MW5wc3hqNW4wbm5kag==)

More shite for the landfill

Having seen friends palms that we've recently got into climbing I can see their place. Pain and torn flesh really does get in the way of progression. They have to stop early way to often..

Of course you eventually toughen up but I've seen some proper grim flappers...

Incidentally..
Lad who works for me keeps showing me his flappers that are getting closer and closer to the tips as he's breaking through the grades.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: stone on March 14, 2024, 08:07:56 am
Oh dear. I'm going to have to admit that last time I went climbing the last move I did was slapping for the sharp lip of a grit boulder (jet pack at Froggatt). I cut lose and flopped off and my skin felt chewed. I had to hurry home but my plan for a next go was to super glue elastoplast tape to my palm. I did similar to protect finger skin from that grim pocket on Alpha at Anstons.
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Aussiegav on March 14, 2024, 08:33:49 am
I used to get calluses higher up though, on the third phalange, until I got clued up and started to do it with gloves.

What type of gloves?
I get the same problem on the circuits at the depot and long steep routes on the comp walll at Awesome Walls
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: jwi on March 14, 2024, 01:21:19 pm
Tight gardening gloves. You will loose a couple of grades in ability though. I loose almost one full number of my steady state grade
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: Teaboy on April 23, 2024, 04:50:22 pm
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C53F3AMC3fa/?igsh=ZTk0bGpxaW1wYjl2
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: remus on April 23, 2024, 05:32:37 pm
ldnclmbr goes mainstream!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: danm on April 23, 2024, 06:40:35 pm
Get him signed up on a plan Remus!
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: andy popp on April 25, 2024, 05:46:29 am
Not weird, but mainstream. Does anyone in climbing actually call him "Toby the terminator"?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/apr/24/toby-the-terminator-roberts-climbing-paris-olympic-games-2024
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: SA Chris on April 25, 2024, 08:21:57 am
Is it a sign of mainstreamness when temu start selling ripped off beastmakers?


https://www.temu.com/uk/1-set-of-climbing-hangboard-rock-climbing-pull-up-hang-training-hanging-fingerboard-trainer-hand-and-finger-strengthener-g-601099540443150.html?_oak_mp_inf=EI7g1KSm1ogBGiA3ODRiY2RiOTI3Y2M0MWFlOTAwZDZiNjljZDIyYjVlOCCVy%2F6g8TE%3D&top_gallery_url=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.kwcdn.com%2Fproduct%2FFancyalgo%2FVirtualModelMatting%2F015966f4ac725e35a04c96c9b005c07c.jpg&spec_gallery_id=4082184649&refer_page_sn=10009&refer_source=0&freesia_scene=2&_oak_freesia_scene=2&_oak_rec_ext_1=NTA5OA&search_key=temu%20climbing%20fingerboard&refer_page_el_sn=200049&_x_vst_scene=adg&_x_ads_sub_channel=search&_x_ads_channel=google&_x_login_type=Google&_x_ads_account=3954917911&_x_ads_set=20030620447&_x_ads_id=145204446861&_x_ads_creative_id=656070467904&_x_ns_source=g&_x_ns_gclid=Cj0KCQjw_qexBhCoARIsAFgBletKkhBS6ZQAJKu_LA8l3daU92I2F1pnR5JwM79tijFAeDGOG5OONvwaAo4TEALw_wcB&_x_ns_placement=&_x_ns_match_type=e&_x_ns_ad_position=&_x_ns_product_id=&_x_ns_target=&_x_ns_devicemodel=&_x_ns_wbraid=Cj4KCAjw26KxBhAXEi4AoHX0HlqPc55BihYO_cQhMMiIEntUJg0hMVzYbLAZS3s70A_IwURC-z5ouejaGgIopg&_x_ns_gbraid=0AAAAAo4mICEXIpAhn_7CUuG_V6BkVBgP8&_x_ns_keyword=temu&_x_ns_targetid=kwd-4583699489&_x_sessn_id=5rhbhxfz89&refer_page_name=search_result&refer_page_id=10009_1714029569916_s29aosxi5l
Title: Re: climbing-goes-mainstream weirdness
Post by: edshakey on April 25, 2024, 08:24:24 am
Not weird, but mainstream. Does anyone in climbing actually call him "Toby the terminator"?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/apr/24/toby-the-terminator-roberts-climbing-paris-olympic-games-2024

From the way it's written, I'd guess the commentator (was it Matt Groom?) said it as an offhand comment on the Edinburgh livestream.

Never heard it myself, but since Natalie wrote the article, I'm inclined to believe it's not completely fabricated... I hope  ;D
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