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Title: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: shark on January 29, 2019, 12:25:15 pm
Quote from: Ben Moon link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BtN1qeRj46k/
After a civilised overnight ferry from Hull and a fairly leisurely drive down the autoroute du soliel we’re back once again climbing at Buoux in glorious sunshine. We had bets on whether we’d have the crag to ourselves and I won, we do! Amazing. We’re taking it easy today in preparation for hopefully filming on my old route Agincourt which I climbed 30 years ago this month! Judging by how the 6b+ warm up felt my expectations are low but whatever, it’s great to be back and hopefully we’ll have a fun week. Meeting up with @sebbouin tomorrow and hopefully @chris_sharma at the weekend if he can free up some playtime.

Hope his finger holds up
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Doylo on January 29, 2019, 12:31:14 pm
Pretty cool, hope his fingers survive. Looks like tendon warfare.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Paul B on January 29, 2019, 01:09:55 pm
Pretty cool, hope his fingers survive. Looks like tendon warfare.

Hard routes at Buoux are just savage.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Doylo on January 29, 2019, 01:13:52 pm
Anything over 6b is living end.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: teestub on January 29, 2019, 02:56:28 pm
Climbing nostalgia, so hot right now!
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Teaboy on January 29, 2019, 04:20:53 pm
Climbing nostalgia, so hot right now!

It is with me, that picture of TCF brought back many happy memories (including one suitable for an old thread on here). More pertinently, has any UK climber repeated Agincourt (other than Rich Simpson, I'm not sure if this was one of his disputed ascents or not)?
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: jwi on January 29, 2019, 04:56:28 pm
Strong team. Would be more psyched if anyone did either the extension to Il etait une voie or the extension to Le minimum that Antoine Menestrel bolted this year instead.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Teaboy on January 29, 2019, 05:08:36 pm
Surely this is what we all want to see or is this the first one you mention (I've no idea where I'll etait une voie is)
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Wood FT on January 29, 2019, 09:07:58 pm
Quote from: Ben Moon link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BtN1qeRj46k/
After a civilised overnight ferry from Hull and a fairly leisurely drive down the autoroute du soliel we’re back once again climbing at Buoux in glorious sunshine. We had bets on whether we’d have the crag to ourselves and I won, we do! Amazing. We’re taking it easy today in preparation for hopefully filming on my old route Agincourt which I climbed 30 years ago this month! Judging by how the 6b+ warm up felt my expectations are low but whatever, it’s great to be back and hopefully we’ll have a fun week. Meeting up with @sebbouin tomorrow and hopefully @chris_sharma at the weekend if he can free up some playtime.

Civilised overnight ferry from Hull? Fake news!
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Teaboy on January 29, 2019, 09:22:08 pm
Surely this is what we all want to see or is this the first one you mention (I've no idea where I'll etait une voie is)

Just realised I meant to post this:
https://www.planetmountain.com/en/news/climbing/bombe-bleu-at-buoux-attempted-by-nicolas-januel.html
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: shark on May 03, 2019, 09:01:41 pm
Obviously not a send but perfect Friday night viewing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s8EujPDtKg4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on May 04, 2019, 02:05:24 am
Thanks to Ben and Steve, and Ben - and Shark, for that.

What a great pleasure to watch  :2thumbsup:

Is that road in Apt always wet and covered in mud?!


Classic.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Doylo on May 04, 2019, 08:00:18 am
Ace.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Wood FT on May 04, 2019, 09:19:21 am
That was great
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Nibile on May 04, 2019, 01:06:39 pm
While I struggled a bit with this new, vaguely hipster look, to watch Ben climb is still amazing. The way he moves hasn't changed at all. Power on and motoring upwards.
Legend.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on May 04, 2019, 02:42:20 pm
While I struggled a bit with this new, vaguely hipster look, to watch Ben climb is still amazing. The way he moves hasn't changed at all. Power on and motoring upwards.
Legend.

Beards of Power.

Oh no!  :lol:

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/doccellis/beards-of-power/
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: andy popp on May 04, 2019, 02:46:44 pm
I love that when Ben eventually gets back on the route he realizes its all a bit unpleasant and completely loses his psyche.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Doylo on May 04, 2019, 04:23:47 pm
Short and pockets is usually painful. Love how he just tries to do La Rose first go putting the clips in.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Nibile on May 04, 2019, 05:20:00 pm
Love how he just tries to do La Rose first go putting the clips in.
Yeah just because he'd done it first go putting the clips in 13 years ago. Nutter! And legend.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: teestub on May 04, 2019, 10:02:54 pm
I love that when Ben eventually gets back on the route he realizes its all a bit unpleasant and completely loses his psyche.

For its legendary status, the climbing at Buoux looks very unpleasant!
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on May 05, 2019, 02:44:34 am
Excuse my crass "Beards of Power" post above. Sorry.

A separate thread maybe  ;) Ben, and Lore, you are both prime candidates.

However, I think Ben's loss/growth of hair has caused a bit of speculation before. How much did those dreads weigh, and were they the source of power?

It's amazing to see just how deserted the crag is in the video. I have to admit, I was never a great fan, but some of those routes are bloody inspiring.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Kingy on May 05, 2019, 08:11:53 am
Great video, shows how hard top brits were climbing back then!

Intererestingly, it took Seb Bouin 5 - 6 sessions to repeat and (from the video) it looks like a different (possibly easier?) sequence was discovered.

Seb thought the route was harder than Cabane au Canada 9a!  :-\ His thoughts are in this Grimper article (dodgy translation alert!) Looks like there is some grade inflation going on since 89

https://www.grimper.com/news-azincourt-premier-8c-france-seb-bouin-ajoute-nouvelle-piece-vintage-rock-tour (https://www.grimper.com/news-azincourt-premier-8c-france-seb-bouin-ajoute-nouvelle-piece-vintage-rock-tour)
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Ru on May 05, 2019, 07:32:05 pm
Intererestingly, it took Seb Bouin 5 - 6 sessions to repeat and (from the video) it looks like a different (possibly easier?) sequence was discovered.

Seb thought the route was harder than Cabane au Canada 9a!  :-\ His thoughts are in this Grimper article (dodgy translation alert!) Looks like there is some grade inflation going on since 89

Also interesting that Didier Raboutou did the (2nd/3rd?) ascent on his second day after one day working it, in 1990.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Kingy on May 06, 2019, 08:34:18 am
Wow, not too shabby! Anybody know how many repeats Agincourt has had? I understand its the 'least repeated 8c in France'! I know that Patrick Edlinger repeated it in 1989 (2nd ascent?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Edlinger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Edlinger)

and Stefan Glowacz did it too:

http://www.johnhorscroft.co.uk/portfolio/interviews/-/the-ascent-of-stefan-glowacz/ (http://www.johnhorscroft.co.uk/portfolio/interviews/-/the-ascent-of-stefan-glowacz/)

Any other known ascents other than Didier's?

On a side note, what is the least repeated 8c in the UK?  :-\
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Wood FT on May 06, 2019, 09:35:17 am
Wow, not too shabby! Anybody know how many repeats Agincourt has had? I understand its the 'least repeated 8c in France'! I know that Patrick Edlinger repeated it in 1989 (2nd ascent?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Edlinger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Edlinger)

and Stefan Glowacz did it too:

http://www.johnhorscroft.co.uk/portfolio/interviews/-/the-ascent-of-stefan-glowacz/ (http://www.johnhorscroft.co.uk/portfolio/interviews/-/the-ascent-of-stefan-glowacz/)

Any other known ascents other than Didier's?

On a side note, what is the least repeated 8c in the UK?  :-\

Endeavour down in Dorset, not had a 2nd ascent yet.

The Bastard (is this considered 8c+ now?)

What’s the 8c through the roof above Rose coronary?
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Nibile on May 06, 2019, 09:40:03 am
Excuse my crass "Beards of Power" post above. Sorry.

A separate thread maybe  ;) Ben, and Lore, you are both prime candidates.
:lol:
I read in an old interview on Grimper that Ben kept the dreads in an empty glass somewhere but they got lost at some point. There was also a historical picture of Chris Griffith doing the job with a pair of big scissors!
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Fiend on May 06, 2019, 10:13:53 am
I like Ben's beard, it's quite noble. I'm getting grey in my goatee bit too so it's quite reassuring. I might be able to repeat Cairn when I'm 50 or something.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Teaboy on May 06, 2019, 11:55:39 am

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Any other known ascents other than Didier's?


Francois Dreyfus made the 5th ascent.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: jwi on May 06, 2019, 02:52:48 pm
Wow, not too shabby! Anybody know how many repeats Agincourt has had? I understand its the 'least repeated 8c in France'! I know that Patrick Edlinger repeated it in 1989 (2nd ascent?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Edlinger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Edlinger)


It appears that the wikipedia entry is wrong. Patrick Edlinger never did Agincourt. Cf. the discussion below the line here: http://fanatic-climbing.com/azincourt-premier-8c-francais-agincourt-first-french-8c/
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on May 06, 2019, 03:29:40 pm
This is all so inspiring.

Downloaded the photo of Didier from that article.

 :great:
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Ru on May 06, 2019, 06:34:30 pm

Any other known ascents other than Didier's?


Ingo Graebner (a Frankenjura climber still climbing font 8a/b) did it in '94 and said he thought it was the 5th/6th ascent.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Kingy on May 06, 2019, 08:31:03 pm
Good knowledge guys.

Regarding Edlinger, that is a shame if its become lost in the mists of time. I guess we may never know whether he did it, I see the local doubters. Here is the first bit of an OTE article by Stephen Gough with an indepth interview with Edlinger himself from Feb 1996 where it is mentioned he climbed it (see 2nd para on second page). If he didn't climb it surely he would pipe up and say so when this article says he did.  :-\

http://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNcCiH29pBs8GMfQgaMZjTDdfKERQggptURWUKJ (http://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNcCiH29pBs8GMfQgaMZjTDdfKERQggptURWUKJ)

http://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNFTGYCg4GAPHEWAJ3Fzqsy6XMj6YHOz2F-Z4Vk (http://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNFTGYCg4GAPHEWAJ3Fzqsy6XMj6YHOz2F-Z4Vk)


The Bastard is now 8c+. Yes, Endeavour is a strong candidate. I guess location is a key factor in repeatability. I'm going for 'Somehow Super' on the Cornice or maybe even 'Rooster crossing' at the Tor :lol: Form an orderly queue...

Here is a good list https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/set.php?id=1235 (https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/set.php?id=1235)

just spotted 'Hatrick edgeclinger' from the article...  :lol: Surely a ready made name for a problem....
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: jwi on May 06, 2019, 09:24:13 pm
I get error 404s on the links above?
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Kingy on May 06, 2019, 09:52:46 pm
I get error 404s on the links above?

I hope this works now
(https://photos.app.goo.gl/xzxXkYMo35NoaSS77)
(https://photos.app.goo.gl/SzV3BGwoCBZNvzY28)

Damn the insert image function isn't working with Google photos, worked last time. Feb 96 On the edge is where the PE interview is printed
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: remus on May 06, 2019, 11:54:24 pm
Ted, you might be better off putting the photos in an album on google photos and then getting a sharing link for the album.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: SA Chris on May 07, 2019, 10:15:23 am
Don't think any of the 8cs at the Anvil have been repeated.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: Kingy on May 07, 2019, 10:34:26 am
Ted, you might be better off putting the photos in an album on google photos and then getting a sharing link for the album.

Try this (https://photos.app.goo.gl/jFDjiHKtywAVGBdM7)

Still doesn't work even with an album, sorry!
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: cheque on May 08, 2019, 02:49:09 pm
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Vy9Vk4BT_uQO3CTlMhyqdtl9GXtMqTJAQ3N9hdSPwRMN-x9fjQctCA0HRP-FbiIWSArDu-V_cld0HRTZiY1ISS3ZwfGnDrbFr3KXU3swREfpAIt25ZU-wd_vHpF03SUPVwHYUDB62Q=w1119-h839-no)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zO2C4NFCSrlpOudVwxfSvkw31hv56mc4xoPmDHcxAW_lXFqCNKuNOoHgPPxhsbkUuhF2RqxQnubsQ7Pcv15tdoKx1TiesZkAprCHvLhE2Oq8hBH4Arjb950buX71nsaWDvt0IgL74w=w630-h839-no)
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: SA Chris on May 08, 2019, 03:26:46 pm
Remember devouring that article. i used to read OTE cover to cover in those days.

Wasn't there a photo of him doing the route in the marble quarry in France everyone did for the photos (Petit Etoile?) in it as well?
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: smellyfox on May 08, 2019, 04:24:42 pm
Don't think any of the 8cs at the Anvil have been repeated.

I seem to remember Allan Cassidy (sp) repeated Metalcore a few years back.
Title: Re: Ben to attempt Agincourt 30 years on
Post by: SA Chris on May 08, 2019, 04:38:36 pm
https://www.ukclimbing.com/videos/play.php?i=707

Looks that way, expect he may have done the 8cs too.
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