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the shizzle => get involved: access, environment, BMC => Topic started by: shark on September 10, 2010, 02:06:52 pm
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Next one: Thursday 16/09/2010 from 7.30pm
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=424271 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=424271)
Where: The Crown Inn, Victoria Street, Glossop SK13 8HY
When: Thursday, September 16th, 7:30pm (yes, THURSDAY!!!)
Here's a map for those of you who simply think Glossop is an annoying traffic jam on the way to Wales.
http://www.ukpubfinder.com/pub/14294 (http://www.ukpubfinder.com/pub/14294)
On the Agenda:
Stanage, Roaches, Eastern Moors - big things are afoot on the finest gritstone crags in the world - Henry will explain
Work meets - Stoney, Horseshoe, Warncliffe
National Council - What should the BMC do with it's money ?
To be followed by free food and more importantly a talk by Kevin Thaw - " one of the world's greatest all-rounders" and "the best climber in Uppermill".
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Tends to be the best food at the Glossop one, and the beer costs fuck all.
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I saw kevin Thaws talk at dovestones sail club last saturday was really good. Definately worth seeing
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Pie and peas this time. Or veggie quiche and salad.
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Is there a slimfast option ?
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Peas.
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Peas.
Peas are good
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Peas.
Peas are good
Peas are good, 'e's egeneezer good.
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nice one bonjoy, got that tune in my head now.
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To be fair to Glossop, it's an annoying traffic jam on the way to many places, not just North Wales...
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Next Peak Area meet is next Wednesday at the Maynard in Grindleford. Details here (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=408).
It's also the AGM and the Christmas Quiz. God knows why I'm telling you all this as I haven't actually been to one for about a year...
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Xmas quiz sounds good, could be worth gathering a team for...
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I'm going, if only to try and win back the prizes we're donating.
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I'm in.
Given the Maynard's bar prices I'll be up for sharing a half with someone.
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Did someone say climbing quiz?
Hell yeah.
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Did someone say climbing quiz?
Hell yeah.
Bugger, no one actually told me the quiz was about climbing. All of the questions that I have prepared relate to Sunderland Association Football Club and England Ashes victories. Back to the drawing board then.
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Feel free to leave the Sunderland questions in.
A specialist round on the sights and sounds of Pennywell and Grindon would be good too.
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sunderland questions, like what was the score last time they played newcastle?
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Even a simple one like "how many places above Newcastle are Sunderland," would do.
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Even a simple one like "how many places above Newcastle are Sunderland," would do.
Cheers Andy, you're not a bad bloke for a Tory twat :thumbsup:
Moo - it's a quiz mate, I can't go asking questions about such recent history. Maybe I should be asking who is the 6th most successful English team in terms of English Championships. No it's not the Skunks or even Chelsea (who incidentally we hammered last Sunday), its SAFC.
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Cheers Andy, you're not a bad bloke for a Tory twat :thumbsup:
I hope that's a fucking joke.
How many Pennywell Tories do you know?
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Cheers Andy, you're not a bad bloke for a Tory twat :thumbsup:
I hope that's a fucking joke.
How many Pennywell Tories do you know?
Whoops, sorry, confusing you with Andy Bowie.
Although to be honest me mum's sister lived in Pennywell (she lived on Nookside I think although maybe further out to wards the A19) and I think she was probably a Tory, although she's been dead for many years so I can't be sure.
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Well you can be fucking sure I'm not one.
I was on my way to The Works with a petrol bomb there, but I'll put it through Moo's window instead. It's closer to my house anyway.
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Prizes from: 18 Bikes, Alpkit, BMC, Climbing Club, Climbing Works, Cordee, Cotswold, CragX, Foothills, Keith Sharples, Matt Heason, Nottingham Climbing Centre, Outside, Rab/EquipUK, Rockfax, The Edge, The Foundary and Vertebrate Graphics and Paul Diffey kindly donated a copy of his latest prizewinning DVD at Kendal (The Pinnacle).
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That would have been be Diffley if I could read and spell. Sorry Paul.
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erm i'm pretty sure the works and my house are pretty much equidistant from yours so lets not go making any rash decisions.
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That's a delayed reaction!
I can't decide so I think I'll just leave it.
Actually, does anyone know where Sloper lives? (only joking, obviously)
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Actually, does anyone know where Sloper lives? (only joking, obviously)
Choad Hall isn't it?
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you walk quite slowly so there was no need to rush
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True, I'm scared of building up my leg muscles.
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I'll be heading out 7.30ish from Broomhill if anyone from this side of town wants a lift or even better can give me one :alky:
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I'll be heading out 7.30ish from Broomhill if anyone from this side of town wants a lift or even better can give me one :alky:
Damn, I will have to change Question 7, which was going to be "Why is the co-owner of UKB called Shark" ;)
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I'll be heading out 7.30ish from Broomhill if anyone from this side of town wants a lift or even better can give me one :alky:
Damn, I will have to change Question 7, which was going to be "Why is the co-owner of UKB called Shark" ;)
How about "Why was the co-owner of the Works formerly called Dodgy Graeme?"
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Does your route from Broomhill run along Hangingwater road Shark?
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Can do - text me your house number 0777 3782763
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;D
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You fuckin' sadist Graeme :wall: that was the hardest quiz of all time - I had to leave early because I knew my score was going to be so laughable :furious: :alky: :'(
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Twas a good evening. Good turnout from UKB regulars: Johnny Brown, Dave, Nige, JonBoy, Obi-Wan-Is-Lost, AndyB and Cofe. I think thats it. All to be found on a table at the back of the room of course. GraemeA was of course quizmaestro.
Neil Foster is now heading the meetings. I don't know who he took over from or what previous meetings were like but I'm sure he will make future ones as lively, effective and grounded as he 'can'.
From what I remember issues discussed where crags on the periphery of the Peak I'd never heard of, the sale of North Lees and the Roaches and likely impact - particularly how it might effect the Whillans hut, loaning money to clubs for hut repairs.
Nice free buffet. Then Graemes epic quiz (3 days non-stop in the making apparently). Without wishing to come over as Smug and SuperiorTM the UKB table crushed the quiz. There was an awesome array of prizes with Johnny Brown scoring a Rab duvet :o There was so many prizes though that I dont think anyone left the room empty-hearted. The venue at the Maynards was a good pick - nice room, good acoustics and Moonshine at the bar - from my point of view it would good to see that as the regular venue.
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Fuckin' ringers I say..... ::) ;D
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Well having managed to scoop the best prize I guess it falls to me to do next year's. I will ensure it doesn't require quite such an encylopedic knolwedge of Graeme's mates from the back.
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Oh crap. Does that mean its going to be all Puttrell and Ring Ouzels ?
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I'm thinking mostly headpointing, some nest-chucking, and the rest spot-the-pat-king photo puzzles.
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Oh crap. Does that mean its going to be all Puttrell and Ring Ouzels ?
At least that'd give Henry a chance of winning.......
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Well having managed to scoop the best prize I guess it falls to me to do next year's. I will ensure it doesn't require quite such an encylopedic knolwedge of Graeme's mates, who used to have hair back in the day, from the back.
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Peak Area Meeting. Weds 2nd Feb Start time: 19:30 at The Maynard, Main Road, Derbyshire, Grindleford, S32 2HE
http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=459 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=459)
The first half of the meeting will comprise a Question and Answer session with Mike Innerdale, the National Trust’s General Manager for the Peak District.
We have never had a one to one with a major landowner before so it’s a very special opportunity. So whether you’re a walker and/or a climber now is your chance to ask questions to, or put your points of view across to, the person with real influence and decision making power regarding the future of The Peak.
After a refreshment break (free sandwiches and chips – if they’re the same as in November, then not to be missed!) the agenda below will follow:
1. Apologies
2. Actions from the last meeting
3. Access updates
4. Burbage Valley
5. Guidebooks update
6. BMC Communities Website
7. National Council Report
8. Any other business
9. Date, time and venue of the next meeting: Tuesday April 12th, 7.30pm, venue to be confirmed.
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Thank you Shark. Just to add a couple of points:-
This is 1 week earlier than the proposed date we announced at the last meeting. We were forced to amend this, so apologies to anyone who arranged their holidays to accommodate the old date! To re-iterate, the meeting will take place on 02/02/10 at 1930 at The Maynard Arms.
I think the importance of this meeting cannot be over-emphasised, and if you plan to attend just one meeting in the next year, this should probably be the one.
“Why is that?” I hear you ask.
The Peak District and the access we have traditionally enjoyed to its major cliffs is in a period of unprecedented change, following the Asset Review of the Peak District National Park. If someone had said to me 5 years ago, that ownership such iconic venues as The Roaches, Froggatt, Curbar and Stanage was going to change, and that access could be compromised as a result, I’d have probably thought you were pulling my leg. Yet this is precisely what has happened, and is happening right now, and if you don’t know the gory details then you probably should.
We have been extremely fortunate that Mike Innerdale, The National Trust General Manager for the Peak District, has agreed to attend this meeting and to take questions from the floor.
Why does this matter?
Well, The National Trust in partnership with the RSPB, has just secured the first package of crags offloaded by the Peak Park. This includes Froggatt, Curbar, Baslow and Birchens. The BMC collaborated on that successful bid – indeed our logo was on the cover of the bid document – so climbers interests should certainly be represented as a management strategy is adopted for this area.
The North Lees estate (including Stanage) is still up in the air, though a bid by the same partnership will probably be submitted. The process is less advanced for the Roaches estate, and some sort of a collaborative bid by the National Trust and the BMC may be the best chance we have of retaining unrestricted access hereabouts. Come and ask Mike, if you don’t believe this threat is very live, and very real.
The National Trust also owns Kinder, Bleaklow and Lawrencefield. They also manage Burbage and Millstone.
At the same time, those allergic to gritstone may wonder why they should think about attending the meeting. Well, in case you didn’t realise it, Mike (or more accurately, his employers) own Dovedale, Beeston Tor, Thor’s Cave…
Oh, and if you still aren’t convinced, they also own Raven Tor.
Now are you coming?
Neil
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Just to reinforce what Neil has said here, attendance here could really make a difference.
Back when we started the deal on the Eastern Moors (Froggatt - Curbar etc) it was in a very different economic climate. The NT and RSPB were looking to expand and enagage more with climbers and the uplands generally, and the National Park were looking to reduce their management costs a little. The partnership made great sense and all involved remain very committed to it.
Since the economic crisis and the new government, things have changed rapidly. Suddenly huge amounts of public land are looking to be sold or leased - not just National Park but Forestry Commission and others. At the same time subsidies for their care are likely to fall significantly. This is all supposed to be taken care of by 'the big society' - ie NGOs like the NT/RSPB partnership, the Wildlife trusts etc.
The problem is they are being overwhelmed. In many areas - like The Peak - these NGOs are already stretched by recent expansion and falling subscriptions (due to the economy). They simply don't have the resources to take on the management of all this land for the government. So what is going to happen? For some landscapes it will be okay - they may end up with a large NGO with both the expertise and resources to manage them. Others will slip through the net, and may end up with landowners who are either seriously under-resourced, or for whom access and conservation are simply not a priority.
(http://www.adamlong.co.uk/files/peakland-42.jpg)
Currently The Roaches in particular have a very uncertain future. Several expressions of interest have been made. Not all of these have much weight behind them. The RSPB are not interested; but a shooting group are. For the Staffs Wildlife Trust it would require a huge leap in both landholdings and access attitudes (you know how you aren't allowed to walk from Gib tor to Baldstones?). There is a local group who certainly care; but their resources and expertise are a big unknown.
The National Trust, who for many might seem the natural choice, are currently very unsure. One problem is that they do not have any other land in this area, meaning it would be far more expensive for them to manage than, say, Stanage. Especially at a time when they might be expanding elsewhere locally... you see the pattern. I'm not always psyched on their style of management, but look at the crags Neil lists above and try to think of any issues. They also have a huge advantage in that they declare land 'inalienable' - ie protection in perpetuity.
I think its fair to say The Roaches represent one of the 'big four' of Peak landscapes - the others being Kinder/ high moors, the Limestone Dales, and the Eastern Edges. All of these others are currently largely in safe hands. This is a huge opportunity to show the NT that The Roaches are of a similar importance (I'd personally put them solidly at the top for pure landscape value, though the others have compensating historical and ecological interest) - something which I honestly don't think they currently grasp. A show of numbers and concern at the area meet would be a good start in encouraging them to place the area somewhat higher on their agenda.
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From Lynn:
BMC PEAK AREA MEETING - Wednesday 2nd February, 7.30pm, The Maynard, Grindleford.
The first half of the meeting will comprise a Question and Answer session with Mike Innerdale, the National Trust’s (NT) General Manager for the Peak District.
We have never had a one to one with a major landowner before so it’s a very special opportunity. So whether you’re a walker and/or a climber now is your chance to ask questions to, or put your points of view across to, the person with real influence and decision making power regarding the future of The Peak.
The NT own most of the gritstone moors and lots of the crags we climb on (Lawrencefield, Yarncliffe, Kinder, Ravens Tor, Beeston Tor, Thor's Cave, Dovedale), and will also be looking after Curbar, Froggatt, Birchens with the RSPB. Are they going to try and acquire the Roaches too, and what about Stanage? They manage Burbage and Millstone for grazing but not for recreation: what developments can we expect there. Do they have issues with climbers anywhere - bolts, gardening, dry tooling - do they have problems with walkers -Kinder, Bleaklow, Alport. Other issues may be mountain biking, off roading and predator control. Mike is happy to take questions on the lot. If you care about the Peak, its future and your enjoyment of it, this really is a unique opportunity.
Hope to see you there, Regards, Lynn Robinson (secretary, Peak Area)
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...sorry about the repeated content but it is important (and of course it's normally wise for me to do what Lynn asks).
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People should get the fuck along to this meeting. Even without a quiz to clean up at.
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:goodidea: I'm convinced.
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:goodidea: I'm convinced.
:agree: Henry has never sounded more worried about the consequences of the Asset Review than he does right now. It's pertinent to ask whether the hierarchy of the Peak District National Park have the best interests of the Peak District at heart. Get to this meeting if you can.
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Blog from the Peak District NP's CEO here (http://jimdixon.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/the-big-society-just-got-a-little-bigger/) about the big society and how great it is they're getting shot of all that land. Totally fails to address the question of how the NGO's are being overwhelmed by the amount of land on offer.
We have now agreed the details of the basis of transferring Losehill Hall to the Youth Hostels Association. This is a good deal for the National Park.
No, this is a good deal for a cash-strapped National Park Authority. Big difference. This attitude is exactly the nub of the problem.
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Frightening isn't it.
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Blog from the Peak District NP's CEO here (http://jimdixon.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/the-big-society-just-got-a-little-bigger/) about the big society and how great it is they're getting shot of all that land. Totally fails to address the question of how the NGO's are being overwhelmed by the amount of land on offer.
We have now agreed the details of the basis of transferring Losehill Hall to the Youth Hostels Association. This is a good deal for the National Park.
No, this is a good deal for a cash-strapped National Park Authority. Big difference. This attitude is exactly the nub of the problem.
Right on JB. The PDNPA is suffering from a critical lack of leadership just when it needs it most. I would suggest that Jim Dixon is more interested in singing from the correct political hymn book rather than protecting the Peak District we all love. I think it's called feathering your nest....... :thumbsdown:
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Plenty of butties & chips still on offer though following the Q&A..!
This kind of thing doesn't happen very often and it's testament to the Peak Area Reps that we have the opportunity to ask the sort of questions that half the time are avoided / swept under the carpet in all the politik.
Try to get there if you can - the train leaves Sheff - Grindleford at 7:15 if you need it
Si
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Blog from the Peak District NP's CEO here (http://jimdixon.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/the-big-society-just-got-a-little-bigger/) about the big society and how great it is they're getting shot of all that land. Totally fails to address the question of how the NGO's are being overwhelmed by the amount of land on offer.
We have now agreed the details of the basis of transferring Losehill Hall to the Youth Hostels Association. This is a good deal for the National Park.
No, this is a good deal for a cash-strapped National Park Authority. Big difference. This attitude is exactly the nub of the problem.
Gotta love this:
"The exotically-named Eastern Moors are not a group of people from the Orient"
Hmmm maybe not yet - time to start learning mandarin?..
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If anyone wants a lift I'll take our 7 seater Espace.
I live in Broomhill and will head down Brocco Bank so could stop at the bus stop just after Hunters Bar roundabout about 7.00pm and other points en route.
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I'll take you up on that.
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Hairich is after a lift too. I've got to go down early do will see y'all there.
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I'll take you up on that.
Thought you might. See you at the bus stop.
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[noembed]Nice one. I hope you'll be suitably dressed for driving an Espace.
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/77/alanpartridgeespace2.jpg)
Its a look that says "I'm in control of my vehicle". (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v8VAt5hO8s)[/noembed]
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Looking unlikely that I'll make it to this now as I'm still ill. :thumbsdown:
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Doubt I'll make it either, not ill, but a moody wife (which is probably worse as you can get over illnesses).
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With transport laid on by none other than the proprietor himself, there should be no excuse for the UKB massiv not turning up in force tomorrow night.
No free prizes to mop up this time, but a unique opportunity to influence a major player in the battle for control of our playgrounds.
Please come and make your voice heard. It will really help if we swell the numbers and convey our passion on this.
Thanks
Neil
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If anyone wants a lift I'll take our 7 seater Espace.
I live in Broomhill and will head down Brocco Bank so could stop at the bus stop just after Hunters Bar roundabout about 7.00pm and other points en route.
Anyone else or is it just me and Comedy Dave ?
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I'm putting about for a lift, in Nether Edge though so out of your way. Waiting on a few other lift options, hopefully they'll come through, really keen to get along.
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If anyone wants a lift I'll take our 7 seater Espace.
I live in Broomhill and will head down Brocco Bank so could stop at the bus stop just after Hunters Bar roundabout about 7.00pm and other points en route.
Anyone else or is it just me and Comedy Dave ?
I like to stretch out in the back anyway.
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Good turn out last night. I think I spotted Sloper at the bar but he didnt attend the meeting :-\ Nige arrived late with carer Jonboy as mystery invalid to check out the Maynard's disabled access arrangements.
Mike Innerdale, the National Trust’s Operations Manager wasn't the crusty old fart you might have expected but came across as a good guy who was articulate and passionate about Land Management and of course the National Trust ( a charity not a quango) though did call the Peak "the Peaks" which caused the hairs on the back of the neck to visibly rise for most attendees.
Mike foccused on the very recent acquisition of the Eastern Edges from the Peak Park which is in partnership with RSPB. Committed as they are to access for visitors (albeit reconciling the needs of different groups) and backled by the BMC in the bid this is a good result for climbers and hopefully the RSPB won't be too onerous in their demand for restrictions though this wasnt covered.
The next issue Mike was drawn into was bidding for the Roaches. He seemed to be of the opinion that this was less likely to be won by the NT and I sensed this was not as important a target for the NT - certainly compared to the huge Eastern Edges estate. Lobbying the Peak Park (individual letters best) to choose the NT over other bidders is advised as this seems to be in the best interest for climbers. The NT has the resources and experience to manage the land properly and is culturally switched on to visitor access. Same goes for Stanage when that goes up for bids.
Other access - Staden. The farmer currently isnt being very helpful. The bottling plant has been rejected now. Any visitors asked to leave are advised not to give their names and addresses. A crag called Windgather may end up in BMC hands FOC.
I didnt take notes so can't remember much else except that the limestone guide progress update was cursory as Grimer was not there because he's now a dad :o
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Lobbying the Peak Park (individual letters best) to choose the NT over other bidders is advised as this seems to be in the best interest for climbers
Worth mentioning timing on this - not yet. The formal tender process has not begun yet, just 'expressions of interest'. My guess would be it'll be a good few months down the line, perhaps a year, before pressure needs to be brought to bear. A lot could change in the interim too, I'm hoping so anyway as the current prospects aren't great.
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......and what a fantastic turnout :o must have been 50 people there with a high percentage of UKBers, some of whom didn't stay to the end.... :whistle:
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Mike Innerdale also made a point of asking "what can the NT do to be more helpful to the climbing community" at the end of his Q&A.
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...and he did seem to respect the uniqueness of the hut at the Roaches, and didn't seem keen to immediately turn it into a NT gift shop/tearoom if it ever does end up in their hands.
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Mike Innerdale also made a point of asking "what can the NT do to be more helpful to the climbing community" at the end of his Q&A.
...to which the honest answer would probably be something along the lines of "benign neglect is fine by us guv." Just leave us to do out shit.....
:shrug:
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A few ideas:
Tree clearance could be useful on a few crags, not just for climbing but for the improved landscape value when crags are exposed.
Erosion control/ ground stabilisation - eg Trackside, I don't think dumping ever greater piles of chippings is the long term solution.
Education - be good to get advice/ help from experts on details like gardening (eg sensitive species worth preserving vs 'weeds' that can be removed harmlessly), likewise with the time we spend out there we might have observations that are useful to them.
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A few points: There were 73 people I counted: some coming and going with a maximum in the room of 68 before the food and before John C and his wife and Bunny arrived.
The Limestone report would certainly have been much better presented by Grimer (or by me if the announcement he was a dad hadn't confused my beer excited brain) but would have contained little extra info. Thanks for those who spoke to me afterwards with offers of help... I'll pass them on.
Sloper was downstairs with another friend of mine, I shared a pint, he was 'in full flow' and maybe its best he didnt come.
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Re: The high turn out thing.
I'm not sure what the numbers are usually like at a peak area meet as it was the first one I went to. I meant to go to the one before Christmas but I had the wrong date in my diary like a complete muppet.
I think Shark publicising the details on UKB has helped. It was certainly a reminder to me to get the date right this time round. I managed to persuade another 7 people along who'd also never been to a peak meet before either. We were the group sat at the back in the opposite corner to the main UKB contingent.
I don't think that Mike Innerdale being there played a big part in my decision to go (alhough it was certainly interesting to hear what he had to say) and I certainly plan to attend more meetings in the future. Most of the feedback from my friends was similar with some even planning to get more involved in the volunteering aspect.
The Maynard seems like a good venue too (not that I've got anything else to compare it with though).
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The numbers last year were much fewer - approx 20. I think that Neil Foster taking the chair has energised things somewhat, and the publicity on here (bravo Shark) and UKC certainly helps. Last year I would guess the average age at about 45, comprised of the usual stalwarts. On Wednesday I think this average age probably fell somewhat, which is encouraging as at some point the younger generation (myself included) are going to have to pick up the baton on a lot of this stuff. Previously it wasn't obvious that this would happen, but after Wednesday it looks a lot more healthy.
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A few points: There were 73 people I counted: some coming and going with a maximum in the room of 68 before the food and before John C and his wife and Bunny arrived.
The Limestone report would certainly have been much better presented by Grimer (or by me if the announcement he was a dad hadn't confused my beer excited brain) but would have contained little extra info. Thanks for those who spoke to me afterwards with offers of help... I'll pass them on.
Sloper was downstairs with another friend of mine, I shared a pint, he was 'in full flow' and maybe its best he didnt come.
Didn't get chance to speak on Weds, but I'll help out where I can on the limestone guide. Put me down for writing Thor's Cave and Long Tor Quarry if I'm not already listed for them. Could probably make a decent stab at the Cheedale Cornice if no one else is mad keen.
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Numbers have always fluctuated wildly dependent on location, time of year, and issues discussed. But this last meeting did seem to have a lot of new faces, which is great. Already had one offer of help with the access work too.
Good call on the guide BJ. I'll be keen to help but not sure if I have much expertise on any one crag (maybe Windy buttress). Think Jon Clark would be keen? Maybe we need a new thread...
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Yeah JC may well be keen to tackle a lot of the sporty Matlock stuff which he probably knows more about than anyone else.
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"The numbers last year were much fewer - approx 20"....... It varied and we had some bad luck with weather. On the annual Glossup meet Kevin Thaw's talk was one of my all-time favourites, sadly under-attended, yet 2 years before we couldnt fit in the room. Same for the Staffs
"I think that Neil Foster taking the chair has energised things somewhat" ... he's a great chair but see below...
", and the publicity on here (bravo Shark) and UKC certainly helps"..... I think that and the seriousness of the issues is the biggest reason for extra numbers. People talk a good game on UKC but this never translated to numbers at the meeting.
"Last year I would guess the average age at about 45," ...thats what commitees do to you... I'm 21
"comprised of the usual stalwarts." ....... a subset thereof, not all regulars turn up every time
"On Wednesday I think this average age probably fell somewhat, which is encouraging as at some point the younger generation (myself included) are going to have to pick up the baton on a lot of this stuff. Previously it wasn't obvious that this would happen, but after Wednesday it looks a lot more healthy"........ somewhat??? nearly 10 years... young climbers (much younger than you) are especially welcome, don't ever let old gits overwhelm you and always enjoy yourselves (I remember John C telling me after a great bouldering session how depressing it was to enter a meeting full of quiet folded arms). The meetings should be about a community of climbers who care about issues that affect climbing in the peak.
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Just to confirm the next BMC Peak Area meeting will take place on Wednesday 13th April at The Maynard, Grindleford at 7.30pm. If anyone has any agenda items then please forward them to me here or through the BMC website.
Cheers, Lynn
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Moff, is that short for Mrs Offwidth? (That's not a suggestion for an agenda item BTW)
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Minutes and notes from the Mike Innerdale Q&A session (that was held on the 2nd Feb) now available on the link below:
http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=459 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=459)
Dates for remaining meetings (2011) - all provisional of course:
Wednesday 13th April - The Maynard
Wednesday 8th June - Staffordshire, venue TBC
Wednesday 14th September - venue TBC
Wednesday 23rd November AGM - venue TBC
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Next meeting a month away (13th April) so I'm beginning to put the agenda together. A few of us met up with the guys from the Eastern Moors Partnership so have some feedback to give to you all - very interesting times are ahead! One thing that came out of that meeting is people wanting more information on volunteering options.
Any other agenda items welcome, as always. Either here or to: lynn.robinson@bmcvolunteers.org.uk
Hope to see you next month, Moff
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BMC - PEAK AREA MEETING
The Peak Area Meeting will take place on Wednesday 13th April 2011
7.30pm at The Maynard, Main Road, Grindleford.
AGENDA
If anything to be discussed on this agenda gives rise to a conflict of interest for anyone, please declare it at the start of the meeting.
1 Apologies
2 Actions from the last meeting
3 Access updates Access Reps
4 The Roaches - update Dave Bishop
5 Feedback from the Eastern Moors meeting Simon Jacques
6 New access rep. volunteers Neil Foster
7 Newsletter Martin Wass
8 Update on how we communicate Neil Foster
9 The role of Area Youth Coordinator & Youth Climbing Series Peak Area rounds Jim Watkin
10 Guidebooks Niall Grimes
11 National Council Report and BMC AGM Rick Gibbon
12 Any other business
13 Date, time and venue of the next meeting: Wednesday June 8th
After a FREE supper of butties and chips some of the “Best of ShAFF” films will be shown (with thanks to Matt Heason)
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The numbers last year were much fewer - approx 20. I think that Neil Foster taking the chair has energised things somewhat, and the publicity on here (bravo Shark) and UKC certainly helps. Last year I would guess the average age at about 45, comprised of the usual stalwarts. On Wednesday I think this average age probably fell somewhat, which is encouraging as at some point the younger generation (myself included) are going to have to pick up the baton on a lot of this stuff. Previously it wasn't obvious that this would happen, but after Wednesday it looks a lot more healthy.
We welcome all the help we can get on the access front and learning from the chaps that have the experience is key. The BMC Office could always do more however in encouraging this...
Si
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BMC - PEAK AREA MEETING
The Peak Area Meeting will take place on Wednesday 13th April 2011
7.30pm at The Maynard, Main Road, Grindleford.
Ta very much for this - it was on my 'list of things to do', but hadn't got round to it. I blame the good weather! Moff.
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BMC - PEAK AREA MEETING
The Peak Area Meeting will take place on Wednesday 13th April 2011
7.30pm at The Maynard, Main Road, Grindleford.
AGENDA
If anything to be discussed on this agenda gives rise to a conflict of interest for anyone, please declare it at the start of the meeting.
1 Apologies
2 Actions from the last meeting
3 Access updates Access Reps
4 The Roaches - update Dave Bishop
5 Feedback from the Eastern Moors meeting Simon Jacques
6 New access rep. volunteers Neil Foster
7 Newsletter Martin Wass
8 Update on how we communicate Neil Foster
9 The role of Area Youth Coordinator & Youth Climbing Series Peak Area rounds Jim Watkin
10 Guidebooks Niall Grimes
11 National Council Report and BMC AGM Rick Gibbon
12 Any other business
13 Date, time and venue of the next meeting: Wednesday June 8th
After a FREE supper of butties and chips some of the “Best of ShAFF” films will be shown (with thanks to Matt Heason)
Yo yo yo - reminder that this is tonight. Everyone should get the fuck on down etc.
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Excellent meeting - I'll post a report once I've had a few hours sleep! Moff
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One particular point of interest to people on here, and I'm sure one that many won't have even considered before, is the impact of night bouldering with lamps. The concern being that it interupts the quiet nighttime period for wildlife, and also gives the land less recovery time between the bashing it gets during the day.
Also as the impact of illegal 4x4 and bike use comes under scrutiny its more likely that people out on the edges at night with big lamps might get hassled by the feds who may be out looking for dickheads in landrovers.
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One particular point of interest to people on here, and I'm sure one that many won't have even considered before, is the impact of night bouldering with lamps. The concern being that it interupts the quiet nighttime period for wildlife, and also gives the land less recovery time between the bashing it gets during the day.
Also as the impact of illegal 4x4 and bike use
That was new to me and I think compared to illegal camps leaving litter is a much lesser issue for people to worry about in the peak park... its worth a few folk having a chat with Henry. The most common venues seem to be close to main roads anyway.
On bikes went to Ox Stones the other day and the path was heavily churned in places by bike trails that don't seem to be as bad the other side... thats not boulderers is it??
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http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=531 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=531)
Next meeting: Wednesday 8th June, 8pm onwards at The Winking Man Pub, Buxton Road, Upper Hulme, ST13 8UH
This later start time allows for people to climb, boulder or walk before the meeting.
Before the meeting, tea and cakes will be served at the Don Whillans Hut. This is a chance for you to have a quick nose about and see what the hut is like and chat to the people involved in the management of the thing.
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Go here.......
http://www.thebmc.co.uk/Download.aspx?id=829 (http://www.thebmc.co.uk/Download.aspx?id=829)
....to download the latest edition of the Peak Area newsletter. Also; notes from last meeting, agenda for Wednesday's (8th June) meeting and update on the Roaches are on the BMC Communities website:
http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=531 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=531)
Don't forget I'll be at the DWMH from 5pm on Wednesday so pop in for a brew. Cheers, Moff
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PM me if anyone wants to car share from Sheffield.
Heading out from Broomhill about 7.15pm
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Unfortunately I couldn't make it down last night. Anything noteworthy at the meeting?
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The next meeting will be held on Wednesday 14th September, 7.30pm at The Crown Inn, 142 Victoria Street, Glossop, SK13 8JH
After the business there will be free supper of pie and peas, vegetarian quiche and salad (oh, and the beer's pretty cheap too) and a slide show by Mike Hutton,“3-years in the Life of a Climbing Photographer”.
Please forward any apologies or agenda items to Simon Jacques at simon.jacques@btinternet.com
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One particular point of interest to people on here, and I'm sure one that many won't have even considered before, is the impact of night bouldering with lamps. The concern being that it interupts the quiet nighttime period for wildlife, and also gives the land less recovery time between the bashing it gets during the day.
Having a young family (ages 3 & 6) I did a spot of night bouldering last winter. There was just 2 of us and kept quite a low profile and turned the lamp off between goes (although to be fair that was to save the battery). We were only there for a few hours at the most.
Having read your post I will continue a low profile and go to the pub earlier! :icon_beerchug:
Does anyone else think the night time bouldering is an issue? I guess if big groups turned up and there was a lot of shouting and bright lights that could be bad but one or two people quietly getting on with should be ok? :shrug:
J :)
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Suggestions for a responsible night climbing code of conduct?
and of course a prize for the best acronym/name for the guidelines
to kick off...
lights off during the walk in - head torches only - to reduce the impact on wildlife
try to make sure that the light is falling on the rock and not shining off into the distance
consider turning lights off/down in between climbing
ensure that gas/fuel burning lights are either hung from a secure stand or firmly placed on non-flamable bits of countryside (rocks being a good example of this)
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One particular point of interest to people on here, and I'm sure one that many won't have even considered before, is the impact of night bouldering with lamps. The concern being that it interupts the quiet nighttime period for wildlife, and also gives the land less recovery time between the bashing it gets during the day. Does anyone else think the night time bouldering is an issue? J :)
I think this is way overstated. When you consider the noise made by some of the illegal camping groups and raves or even scout groups on night hikes (let alone traffic noise) it's trivial. It tends to be busy early evening in winter only in a few select venues. What is this recovery time they speak of .... does the land dream?, does it never rain in the UK?? Good ninjas don't have much impact.
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We know that our night bouldering does not significantly impact on the land/wildlife/global warming etc, but neither does leaving draws on routes - and look at the potential problems connected to that.
It is important to consider the perception of out antics by land owners, farmers, members of the non-climbing public etc. If they can be calmed by showing them a list of generally accepted guidelines for our nocturnal bumbling then everyone wins.
Some sort of internet forum used by boulderers would be a good place to pull a few ideas together...
...and that BMC thing might have some experience in distributing the results of such a discussion (if they haven't done so already)
"perception gaps" are interesting things
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Of course there are numerous mountain bikers and runners with headtorches out at night too especially in winter
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Reminder: this is tomorrow evening.
If anyone wants a lift I'll be heading out from Broomhill about 7pm
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The next BMC Peak Area Meet (Gathering??) will be taking place on Wednesday 23rd November, at The Maynard Arms, Grindleford, starting at 7.30pm.
This is also the AGM where anyone who wishes to stand for any of the positions of power (chair, secretary, clubs rep, National Council rep) may do so. The AGM will be brief.
There will be the usual mix of news, views and discussion about all things outdoors, both in your area and nationally, including a specific section on the BMC?s Limestone guides and how you can get involved.
Everyone is welcome, and once the meeting is done, there will be free and tasty treats laid on by the team for all attendees, before the legendary Peak Area Christmas Super Prize Quiz.
This year, local climber, photographer and part time media personality Adam Long :smartass: has set the quiz as penance for the UKB table clearing up last year with Adam getting a duvet jacket.
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Some discussion about Limestone guides relating to the 23rd Nov. 2011 meeting here:
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,18987.msg338208.html#msg338208 (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,18987.msg338208.html#msg338208)
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Can I cheekily hijack this private quiz, to formally invite the following to tomorrow night's meeting? :-
kc
JC
Ru
Bonjoy
Anyone is welcome, of course, but given their penchant for the lime, sometimes even when the grit has been called, I think those four esteemed UKB-ers would each have something potentially useful to contribute to the Peak Limestone guide discussion.
And I can tell that you are all on-line, so you can't claim you didn't get my invite... ;)
Hope to see you, and everyone else(!) at The Maynard tomorrow night.
Neil (Sometime Peak Area Chair)
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Anyone driving out from Sheffield with a spare seat? Thanks
Mark
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83 people there last night apparently. Great turnout.
I think everyone will agree it's great that Neil has agreed to stay on as chair for another year. He's done a cracking job.
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Agreed, and thanks for the fine quiz too :-)
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I think everyone will agree it's great that Neil has agreed to stay on as chair for another year. He's done a cracking job.
Very true but I await Moff's reaction with interest ;-)
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It's great that Lynn Offwidth has stayed on a Peak Area Secretary - this is much under estimated role and there is a lot of work that goes into the Sec's Job description these days.
Lynn is an infectious member of the Peak area team and you wouldn't have all your lovely prizes if it were not for her. Add on guidebook scribing and editing - we applaud Lynn's passionate approach to the Peak Area.
A personal thanks for all your hard work Lynny and all the travelling you and Steve have to endure!
It goes without saying NF is a belter of a chair and we love his work ! ;0)
Cheers
Si
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Nice write up from Cofe:
http://www.v-publishing.co.uk/blog/2011-11-28---on-the-value-of-community-bmc-peak-area-meetings.html (http://www.v-publishing.co.uk/blog/2011-11-28---on-the-value-of-community-bmc-peak-area-meetings.html)
:great:
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Dear All
Very sorry for the delay in this post but ...... a very big THANK YOU to both Adam Long and John Coefield for the Christmas quiz - it was hilarious, and won again by the guys from UKB! - so next years quiz will be led by Jon Fullwood. Also, thanks to all the guys/companies who kindly donated prizes;
Alpkit, BMC, 18 Bikes, CAN Geotechnical, Climbers Club, Cordee, Cotswold Outdoor, CragX, Heason Events, John Beatty, Nottingham Climbing Centre, Outside, Paul Diffley, Rab/Equip UK, Rockfax, The Climbing Works, The Edge, The Foundry and Vertebrate Publishing.
I've managed to put the notes from the last meeting on the BMC Communities website: http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=716 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=716)
The next meeting will take place on the 8th February. Still sorting out the agenda, but booked for sure is Mike Hutton to give a slideshow. Bye for now. More detail to follow in the New Year............
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Happy New Year - one and all.
The Staffordshire Wildlife Trust is having an open day on the 14th January, 10am - 2pm at the DWMH. Everyone welcome to meet SWT staff and volunteers and hear of their plans for the management of the Roaches from 2013 and beyond.
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Hi Guys
Well, I've sorted out the agenda (for Wednesday 8th Febuary - 7.30pm) and it can be found here:
http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2572 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2572)
It should be a great meeting. The main agenda item will be a Q&A session, led by Neil, with Jon Stewart from the National Trust and Danny Udall from the Eastern Moors Partnership.
Topics to be covered include:
• progress on the Eastern Moors Partnership
• future proposals for joint working between the BMC and National Trust on Stanage North Lees
• the Sheffield Moors Partnership Proposal
• the Nature Improvement Area proposal covering the Dark Peak area from Longdendale to Eastern Moors.
After the usual butties Mike Hutton will provide the entertainment (he has promised me he won't forget anything!!).
They are going to open the bar for us in the meeting room, but unfortunately you'll still have to go downstairs for the real ale - we'll see how it goes anyway.
Cheers, Moff
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Dear All,
Go to this link:
http://www.thebmc.co.uk/modules/article.aspx?id=5545 (http://www.thebmc.co.uk/modules/article.aspx?id=5545)
for the February 2012 edition of the BMC Peak Area newsletter - many thanks to Martin Wass for yet another excellent production. See you all on Wednesday (8th),
Cheers, Moff (couldn't be bothered to log out to log back in again)
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The next BMC Peak Area Meeting is taking place this Wednesday (18th April), 7.30pm at The Maynard, Grindleford.
Please go to this link for the notes from the last meeeting, agenda and draft bolt/fixed gear policy: http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2614 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2614)
It's shaping up to be a great meeeting, after which Dave Turnbull is giving a slide show on his recent 1st ascent in Nepal with Mick Fowler.
The most recent newsletter can be found here: http://www.thebmc.co.uk/latest-online-news-from-the-peak-area (http://www.thebmc.co.uk/latest-online-news-from-the-peak-area)
Hope to see you on Wednesday, Cheers, Lynn
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http://www.opengate.org/access-fund-blog/2012/04/permadraws-access-issue-or-not.html (http://www.opengate.org/access-fund-blog/2012/04/permadraws-access-issue-or-not.html)
Comparisons can be drawn with similar issues across the pond....
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http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2641 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2641)
Meeting to be held on Wednesday 30th May 2012 8.00pm at The Winking Man Pub, Buxton Road, Upper Hulme, Staffordshire. ST13 8UH (Near Ramshaw)
PLEASE NOTE THE START TIME OF 8.00PM, SO ARRIVE BY 7.45PM TO GET YOUR DRINKS IN!
1. Apologies
2. Actions from the last meeting
3. Future plans for The Roaches - Helen Dale, Staffordshire Wildlife Trust
4. Access updates – Henry Folkard and other access reps
5. National Council Report and feedback from the BMC AGM
6. Dodgy bolts at Smalldale Quarry
7. Peak Area Newsletter – deadline for next edition = 29th August
8. Any other business
9. Date, time and venue of the next meeting:
• Wednesday 14th September, 7.30pm
• Venue to be confirmed, but somewhere in Glossop.
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Is it me or has this meeting come around a lot quicker than usual?
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Is it me or has this meeting come around a lot quicker than usual?
It's one of life unfairnesses that as you get older time accelerates (towards the inevitable).
Have a nice day ;D
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It's earlier, because we have four-days off next week (not sure why though) and we thought folk might take advantage and bugger off somewhere climbing.
Anyway, apart from the above agenda (cheers Shark) Over the Moors will be on sale for at the very ‘special’ price of £20 – yes, I know, it’s an absolute bargain.
Also at the meeting will be Dan Middleton, Technical Officer for the BMC, with some sort of ‘gear strength testing machine’. He aims to break some karabiners, and I will bring along the slings that Dan Lane and I removed from Aldery Cliff. Please feel free to bring along your gear to be tested – if you dare!
That’s all for now. Look forward to seeing you on Wednesday. Don’t forget the later start of 8pm, unless you fancy doing a Zumba class which is in the room before us!
Moff (signed in as Offwidth)
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If anyone wants a lift tomorrow evening from Sheffield I'll be leaving Broomhill with Obi-Wan at 7.15pm
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It's earlier, because we have four-days off next week (not sure why though) and we thought folk might take advantage and bugger off somewhere climbing.
Anyway, apart from the above agenda (cheers Shark) Over the Moors will be on sale for at the very ‘special’ price of £20 – yes, I know, it’s an absolute bargain.
might come along and get a copy then,andi text me yesterday saying i have 3 pics in,of course i asked how many he had.i didnt reply with anything sarcastic at his 2 pics ;D
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anything earth shattering happen at last night's chin-wag-beard-fest?
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JB getting stuffed into his cardboard box for the winter I assume?
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anything earth shattering happen at last night's chin-wag-beard-fest?
Or was it a bearded-WAG-chin-fest?
No one noticed the 'bolt all routes at Stanage' paragraph tucked away in AOB... ;)
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anything earth shattering happen at last night's chin-wag-beard-fest?
Not really earth shattering.... Q&A with Helen from staff Wildlife Trust...brief discussion of bad bolts... 'we' need to talk someone who got ticketed at Harper Hill to get the real details (as opposed to rumours). Lots of discount guides on offer (BMC moors and Rockfax peak limestone). Dan demonstated destruction of various bits or gear from new to lethal looking with a few surprises (at least to me ...JB seemed to know what was coming).
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It turns out crabs get stronger with age, and you can safely climb with your draws cut halfway through to look like a hardcase.
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As do lobsters... and brie
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Dear all,
Please go to the link below for the agenda for the next BMC Peak Area meeting
that is taking place on the 12th September at The Globe Inn, Glossop
(postcode etc on the agenda) and the notes from the last meeeting. Get there early to get your beer in (which is fantastic) for a 7.30pm start as there's lots to discuss - we'll be in the room upstairs.
http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2650 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2650)
Also, after the free supper, local lad (literally a stones throw from
the pub) Dan Lane, will be giving his inaugural lecture/slideshow.
Hope to see you there. Bye for now,
Moff
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Just had another agenda item through from Dave Turnbull - BMC Drilled Equipment Policy - that will be discussed. A copy of it can be found here:
http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2650 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2650)
See you tomorrow - the beer is very good and cheap!
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Heading out with PaulB from Broomhill, Sheffield at 7pm if anyone wants a lift
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BMC Peak Area AGM and Annual Quiz by Dave and Co. - 21st November, 7.30pm , The Maynard. Please come but try not win everything this year.
On an oddly related topic, I know it's probably a long shot, but does anyone know of any beer that significantly reduces sweat levels? :worms:
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OK people the quiz is written by Lovejoy and myself, which means that since we're not entering it gives everyone else a chance to win for a change. My bookshelf just can't accomodate any more free guidebooks.
Suggested reading if you want to bone up:
Any peak guidebook produced in the last 50 years
OTEs from the 1990s
Bouldering trivia spanning the entire gamut from pinches wall to powerband, and everything in between.
Will even throw in a few mountain questions for fat lads in ronhills, can't say fairer than that.
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I've had a request from the Chair that the UKB collective gives the other teams a chance.
I suggest we tie one arm behind our backs.
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This is Moff - does Offwidth ever sign-off???
Anyway .....just a reminder that the next BMC Peak Area Meeting is taking place this Wednesday (21st November) at The Maynard, Grindleford. We'll be kicking off at 7.30pm, so get there a bit earlier to make sure you get your drink in.
Free butties and chips are being provided by the BMC.
Also, after the AGM and Ordinary Meeting, it's the annual quiz. We've got some amazing prizes....so if you only come to one meeting a year - make it this one!
Green Peak Gear (www.greenpeakgear.org (http://www.greenpeakgear.org)) are coming along on Wednesday and will be selling their products - they are a Community Interest Group and all profits goes to the BMC Access and Conservation Trust - so don't be mean now!
Go here for all the papers for Wednesday, including the latest Peak Area newsletter:
http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2764 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2764)
Hope to see you all on Wednesday.
I've decided to split you lot up - or maybe I'll just join your table so I'll win as-well!
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Dave has opted not to use a couple (of my favourite :'( ) questions. So thought I'd post them up here as warm up Qs.
1. FACEMASH. Name these three.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8345/8204928403_cce7df953e_z.jpg)
2. Odd one out. Which of these four is the odd one out and why?
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8063/8204922785_b7946ba3ef_c.jpg)
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No idea about the Orcs.
C isnt in the UK but I'm sure that's not what you're looking for
Anyone want a lift from the Totley area tonight ?
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C isnt in the UK but I'm sure that's not what you're looking for
C is the only one with the topo line drawn in :clown:
Is the middle Orc Dave Simmonite?
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No idea about the Orcs.
C isnt in the UK but I'm sure that's not what you're looking for
Anyone want a lift from the Totley area tonight ?
No.
Yes please. What time you headed out?
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Correct Slackline, orc 2 is Mr Simmonite
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D is a problem, the others are routes ;)
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Yes very clever.
A good start be would to say what the four pics are of. Anyone?
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Anyone want a lift from the Totley area tonight ?
No.
Yes please. What time you headed out?
About 7pm. Text me your address 0777 3782763
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Is number 2 that A B and C are routes with entrances in the name, whereas D is at a crag with an entrance in the name?
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Born.. is a sort of entrance I suppose???
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What is D? It looks amazing. As does that arete!
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Is number 2 that A B and C are routes with entrances in the name, whereas D is at a crag with an entrance in the name?
It's not D but you're on the right lines.
Offwidth - It's Knockin' not Born Slippy
Andi - Tut tut. Call yourself a yorkshire local
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I knew that...obviously twas a editors joke. C didnt look right but then it might be new?? (PM?)
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Ah is it 3 gates and one door then? Don't know what the first one is...
Who are the other two Orcs? I though Pasquill and Char...
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It's either at Gatehouse Crag or Rolling Gate or I'm once again barking up the wrong tree. It's not Jack's Dimension is it?
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It's either at Gatehouse Crag or Rolling Gate or I'm once again barking up the wrong tree. It's not Jack's Dimension is it?
B is a door, the others are Straight and Golden Gates. I'm guessing Rolling Gate / Jack's Dimension.
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Good work. Yes A= Strait Gate, B= Knockin on Heavens Door, C= Golden Gate, D= Rolling gate (Jack's Dimension). Three gates one door.
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Not Pre Muir??
http://www.climbmagazine.com/news/2012/10/brits-elcap-success-3 (http://www.climbmagazine.com/news/2012/10/brits-elcap-success-3)
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Oops, the perils of google. Obviously I'd have triple checked if the q had been going in the quiz, honest. :whistle:
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Ashamedly I've never been up to Rylstone or Rolling Gate :-[ It's something I need to rectify.
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Oops, the perils of google.
There was me hoping that the magazine had made the mistake. Thanks anyway for such a nice warm up for tonight, where as always whatever team I'm in will be thoroughly thrashed by the main UKB team... unless by spliting you up they mean using old style quartering.
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Who are the other two Orcs? I though Pasquill and Char...
So we've got Dave Simmonite and Ryan Pasquill correctly ID'd. The man of the moment on the left is not Char. Any other guesses?
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Mike Adams innit. Who else towers over the 'Quill?
Just wasted ten minutes on the odd one out round due to correctly identifying the route on El Cap.
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Props to Bonjoy and Dave for a top quiz. :2thumbsup:
Though I do rather associate Cliff Richards with Rain at Wimbledon, not Christmas.
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Indeed - some great questions!
I was kicking myself on the drive home over a couple of them, not that a couple of extra points would have helped our terrible score...
Suggestion for next time - could we make case for team score being total number of correct answers divided by number of team members?
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Some of them we'd got right - but hadn't actually written down.
"Nah - its not the Virgin Boulder, Nah" etc. :wall:
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Any chance of whacking a few more questions online Bonjoy?
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Thanks again to Dave and Jonboy for sorting the quiz out. Some ace questions. :clap2: but no mime :'(
I think Nige half-volunteered from our table to do it next year...?!
I was inspired to order the Power of Climbing this morning :bounce:
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Any chance of whacking a few more questions online Bonjoy?
They usually do turn up here each year, probably just takes some time to sort it out.
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I was inspired to order the Power of Climbing this morning :bounce:
I ordered my copy Tues night, sadly too late for this year's quiz but hopefully it'll help in future endeavours!
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Indeed - some great questions!
I was kicking myself on the drive home over a couple of them, not that a couple of extra points would have helped our terrible score...
with 2more points we could of gone from last to joint 4th ... :-\
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Ashamedly I've never been up to Rylstone or Rolling Gate :-[ It's something I need to rectify.
As an aside, you can get arrested for that. Rylstone is my favourite Yorkshire crag - something perfect for everyone who can cope with the gentle stroll to get there.
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I know :spank: too much time squeezing things at Brimham probably. I want to go and check out that Great White problem at Crookstones but I always get vetoed on the destination choice.
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Thanks again to Dave and Jonboy for sorting the quiz out. Some ace questions. :clap2: but no mime :'(
I think Nige half-volunteered from our table to do it next year...?!
Agreed, good quiz guys.
Lynn was busy press-ganging me and Nige to put something together. Sure we'll be able to sort something out. Think we'll have to reinstate the mime for next time!
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yeah, great quiz. Mime should be compulsory!
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I only went to see Jonboy mime Lowrider.
Some familiarity with the workings of Dave's mind was definitely an advantage though. I challenge Toby and Nige to write a quiz our team can't win...
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Mime is so last year.
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I want to go and check out that Great White problem at Crookstones but I always get vetoed on the destination choice.
Go on your tod then. Great soloing, highballing, bouldering.
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I only went to see Jonboy mime Lowrider.
Some familiarity with the workings of Dave's mind was definitely an advantage though. I challenge Toby and Nige to write a quiz our team can't win...
I've got some ideas that might level the playing field a bit... ;)
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I want to go and check out that Great White problem at Crookstones but I always get vetoed on the destination choice.
With good reason, Crookstones is crap. Go to Crookrise or Rylstone.
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The next BMC Peak Area Meeting is being held on the 6th February, 7.30pm at The Maynard, Grindleford. EVERYONE WELCOME.
Apart from an update on access issues, and an overview of the year
ahead, other agenda items include; ratifying the Peak Area general
guidelines to placing bolts and other fixed gear; the BMC Position on
Drilled Equipment; plus a proposal for fixed gear replacement at
Stoney. All the associated paperwork can be found on the BMC Community
website - http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2794 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2794)
On top of this, Gordon Stainforth will be our guest speaker, talking
about his book ‘Fiva: An Adventure That Went Wrong’ (Winner of ‘Best
Book – Mountain and Wilderness Literature’, Banff Mountain Film and
Book Festival, 2012). Gordon will be bringing along some copies to
sell and sign (or if you already have a copy, then bring it along -
I'm sure he won't mind signing it).
Hope to see you there.
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I've just put the FINAL DRAFT Peak Area Bolt Guidelines on the BMC Communities website. Go here http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2794 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2794)
Also, the latest Peak Area Newsletter can be found on the BMC website.
I know it´s about a mountain climb - but Gordon´s talk is excellent. I heard him at Kendal.
See you on Wednesday. Moff
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A reminder about this evenings meetings.
I can give a lift. Heading out of Broomhill via Abbeydale just after 6pm.
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I can offer a lift from Darley Dale/Matlock if anyone wants it. PM me if interested.
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http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2873 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2873)
Next Weds 17th April at 7.30pm at the Maynard
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This is Moff....Offwidth is crap at logging out!!
Please go here
http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2873 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2873)
for:
- notes from the meeting that took place on 6th February
- agenda for the meeting that will take place on 17th April at The Maynard
- final edition of the Peak Area guidelines for placing bolts and
other fixed gear.
You will note from the agenda that Rob Greenwood and Carey Davies,
newly apponted BMC staff will be attending to explain their roles.
Also, there are some 'hot of the press' access issues which
Henry will be telling us about.
Hope to see you on Wednesday.
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I've just put the notes from the last meeting, that took place on the 17th April, on the BMC Communities website.
If anyone has any agenda items, then please let me have them sometime this week.
Also, if anyone has any articles/notices/photos etc for the next Peak Area Newsletter, then please forward them to: peakarea@gmail.com by the 22nd May.
The BMC Hut Warden of the Don Whillans Memorial Hut, will open the Hut from mid-afternoon until the start of the meeting on the 5th June. Everyone is welcome to go along for a tour, and you may even get tea and cakes!
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See message above. Please note the meeting will start at 8pm so you can go for a boulder beforehand.
See you there.
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So is the meeting at the winking man as usual then?
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http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2887 (http://community.thebmc.co.uk/Event.aspx?id=2887)
The Peak Area Meeting will be held on Wednesday 5 June 2013, starting at 8pm, at The Winking Man on the A53 Leek to Buxton road
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At last, a meeting I can actually attend! Yay etc.
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The next Peak Area Meeting will be held on Wednesday 11 September 2013, starting at 7.30pm, at the Globe Inn, Glossop.
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AGENDA
BMC Peak Area Meeting
Meeting to be held on Wednesday
11th September 2013, 7.30pm
The Globe Inn, 144, High Street West, Glossop, Derbyshire. SK13 8HJ
1. Apologies
2. Actions from the last meeting
3. Stand Up For Stanage
4. Dry Tooling Paper for discussion
5. Peak Area Limestone Guide – Ian Carr and Niall Grimes
6. Neil Hewertson – BMC Quarries Development Manager
7. Access updates – Henry Folkard and other access reps
8. Update from BMC Officers
9. National Council Report and feedback from the BMC AGM
10. Peak Area Newsletter – deadline for next edition = 6th November
11. Any other business
12. Next meeting the AGM
13. Date, time and venue of the next meeting (AGM and annual quiz)
- Wednesday 20th November, 7.30pm
- Venue – The Maynard, Grindleford
Free supper provided by the BMC
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I can provide a lift but am on a tight schedule so would have to be a pick-up en route (ie A57).
0777 3782763
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Stand up for Stanage is obviously part of the agenda. Moff and I will send karma from Tahquitz rock.
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Peak Area Newsletter can be found linked here (https://www.thebmc.co.uk/latest-online-news-from-the-peak-area-nov-2013)
In are the latest plans for the North Lees estate (Stanage) and an excerpt from Peak Rock.
The next meeting is next Wednesday 20th November 2013, 7.30pm at The Maynard in Grindlewald.
It is also the AGM and the Annual Quiz.
Phil Kelly will be there with Graham Hoey and some ringers to challenge the UKB table in the Quiz.
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Peak Area Newsletter can be found linked here (https://www.thebmc.co.uk/latest-online-news-from-the-peak-area-nov-2013)
It is also the AGM and the Annual Quiz.
Phil Kelly will be there with Graham Hoey and some ringers to challenge the UKB table in the Quiz.
Yours truly is doing the honours this year. It's coming together...
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Phil Kelly will be there with Graham Hoey
Word on the street is they'll have a few copies of Peak Rock fresh off the boat from China! You'll need £38 and sharp elbows...
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I trust the quiz questions will be posted for us non-attendees.
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I'll see what I can do
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Phil Kelly will be there with Graham Hoey
Word on the street is they'll have a few copies of Peak Rock fresh off the boat from China! You'll need £38 and sharp elbows...
I think the word is they hope to have some (and will need cash if anyone wants one.). Phil and Graham beating the UKB table on a UKB table quiz... maybe but most likely not.. unless we split you up. Moff has collected various bits and bobs now over and above the star prizes to guarentee most people who turn up will get something, even if its a bottle opener or signed poster so hopefully its worth fighting over 3rd/4th/5th... place table.
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I'll be trying to bring along copies of the special editions for people who have preordered from us (Vertebrate), Moff and Offwidth included. If you think you ordered one from Vertebrate, you're going to be at the meeting and you'd like me to try and bring yours along, then PM me in advance.
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The next BMC Peak Area meeting is taking place next Wednesday (12th) at The Maynard, Grindleford.
Mary Bagley from the Peak District National Park Authority will be there to answer questions about Stanage and its future. Shes the newly appointed Head of Enterprise and Field Services whatever that this. :boxing:
Also, The National Trust will be attending to talk about some new initiatives at Longshaw. :2thumbsup:
Mountain Rescue in the Peak District will also be there. :wave:
To end the evening Pete Whittaker will be giving a talk and slideshow on 'Recent Cutting Edge New Routes on Peak Gritstone'
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Mountain Rescue in the Peak District will also be there. :wave:
Interesting, I've never heard of that organisation. I can only presume it's representatives from the PDMRO (http://www.pdmro.org.uk/), the umbrella body for the 7 peak district Mountain Rescue teams.
Are they going to present the Chairman with a "most times rescued from Masson Lees" award?
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The next BMC Peak Area meeting is taking place next Wednesday (12th) at The Maynard, Grindleford.
Mary Bagley from the Peak District National Park Authority will be there to answer questions about Stanage and its future. Shes the newly appointed Head of Enterprise and Field Services whatever that this. :boxing:
Also, The National Trust will be attending to talk about some new initiatives at Longshaw. :2thumbsup:
Mountain Rescue in the Peak District will also be there. :wave:
To end the evening Pete Whittaker will be giving a talk and slideshow on 'Recent Cutting Edge New Routes on Peak Gritstone'
They should sell the whole lot off, what with the grouse shooting and the ability to slap parking tickets on car's the thing would be a gold mine (+ top roping licenses as a bonus).
As for the new head of non jobbery, that's £60k of public money down the shitter.
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Are they going to present the Chairman with a "most times rescued from Masson Lees" award?
:spank:
:lol:
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As for the new head of non jobbery, that's £60k of public money down the shitter.
The salary is £40,741 to £45,147
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Which with all the other costs like pensions will be not so far from 60k.
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Leaving Broomhill around 6.45pm if anyone wants a lift, though purists should be aware that there is a ladder in the boot
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You going all the way into The Maynard Shark or just stopping in the car park after the hard bit ? :)
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Lol. Could be a more entertaining debate than Paul Mitchell's Kinder hut.
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You going all the way into The Maynard Shark or just stopping in the car park after the hard bit ? :)
Is that your excuse for never showing up
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Hi folks,
The next BMC Peak Area meeting is being held on the 9th April, 7.30pm at The Maynard, Grindleford.
The agenda is on the BMC Local Areas we page and includes:
-Mina giving her thoughts on her nomination as VP for the BMC
- Niall giving an update on the BMC Peak Limestone guidebook
- Will Harris, newly appointed BMC Officer, on his thoughts and plans for a Stanage Festival
- an important access update from Henry.
After the free butties, Mina will be giving a talk on "Self Efficacy in Climbing and Mental Strategies for Success" and ......... Showing a newly released film of her climbing Unfamiliar.
See you next week, Moff
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Last minute reminder...
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Next meet Wednesday 4th June at The Winking Man Pub, Buxton Road, Upper Hulme, Staffordshire. ST13 8UH which is very near Ramshaw.
It starts a little later at 8pm to allow cragging time
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Driving over from Sheffield at 7ish if anyone wants a lift
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Agenda:
Staffordshire Wildlife Trust – update from Helen Dale on future work
4. Access updates – Henry Folkard and other access reps
5. National Council Report
6. Update from BMC Officers
7. Stanage Festival – 28th and 29th June
I daresay there'll be some time to discuss the recent bolting at Millstone too.
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What will you be discussing about the bolt? I thought the consensus was no bolting? What's there to discuss?
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I counted 31 in attendance which is low for a Peak Area meet reflecting the location (Winking Man near Ramshaw).
We had Staffordshire Wildlife Trust representatives namely Geoff Sim and John Roe. Staffordshire Wildlife Trust have recently taken over the Management of the Roaches estate. Geoff was seconded to set things up and John has just been appointed Warden. He's not local having relocated from Wales so has only just familiarised himself with the place. Naturally they were keen to talk about Wildlife matters - Peregrines nesting etc. John lobbed a stone over the fence about funding (we've been here before ie Mary Baggeley/Peak Park/Stanage). The nascent initiative is called "Responsible Roaches". John wanted a show of hands about who was in favour of this without giving any details. This was dexterously eviscerated by Henry Folkard (Access supremo) who pointed out that any funding schemes needed to be carefully considered and joined up with initiatives for the rest of the Peak on who pays for what and how. Andi Turner also read out a strongly worded email from Dave Bishop (Access Rep) on similar issues - if I get a copy I will post this as it raises many fundamental points. There was a general discussion and suggestions to Geoff and John on the scheme. Henry made further points that in principle some form of help towards funding from climbing is inevitable - but that as it wasn't just a Roaches problem it had to be considered as part of a wider debate which is currently ongoing at Stanage Forum within the BMC etc and the strategy isn't formed yet (or something to that effect).
Neil then introduced Marjorie (didn't catch surname) who had been on a BMC Equity symposium. Equity is a byword (from what I understand) to giving the physically or ethnically disadvantaged an opportunity to get involved in the great outdoors. Anyone who is interested in getting involved locally in these initiatives could get in touch with Marjorie via Neil ?
Cath Flitcroft BMC Access person then spoke about some Parliamentary lobbying they were doing next week.
There was a brief discussion about the Stanage Festival on 28th and 29th June at Outside and Plantation car park. My impression was that this is a relatively low key affair.
There was then a discussion about the belay bolt in the Keystone Cave which is covered extensively elsewhere. There was a vote. I think 19 of the 31 present voted for its removal and the rest abstained.
There was then a discussion about overgrown lime crags. Intrepid individuals are advised to take suitable gardening gear but a Nationally sponsored campaign would be fraught with complication regarding access permissions etc.
No Peak Area newsletter this quarter :( A lack of material was cited. So if there is anything you want to write about - overgrown crags, kneebars on Hubble, the price of eggs - your soapbox awaits.