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news / Re: The inevitable E grade thread
« Last post by Johnny Brown on Yesterday at 10:10:37 am »What Duncan said.
The main part of the problem are the 7a deniers like Nemo, not me. Thankfully not very many of them! Nemo's objection, if I recall correctly, is something akin to Xeno's paradox where any move can be subdivided into components no harder than 6c. Ignoring the reductio ad absurdum aspect, I suppose you could argue that on something like WSS which is both intricate and bottom end 7a, but I don't see see how you can really argue in 2024 that 9c or 9A are just a lot of 6c moves.
I've always had uk 7a starting around 7B up to 7C+ ish, with 7b covering 8A and up. Of course this is for cruxy boulders not stamina traverses. So Deliverance (giants excepted) represents bottom end 7a, WSS more solid at the grade, Storm, Brad Pit etc mid-grade. 7b would cover moves like the start of Careless start, The Joker, or Help The Young sit. I don't have a lot of experience of harder boulders, and there don't seem to be many on routes, but I'd assume short 8B+ must be getting in to uk 7c and 9A therefore 8a. Aidan does seem to be doing harder moves than existed in the eighties!
Clearly not! Why would you think that? Putting that section anywhere but off the floor is going to be E5+, you've then added a 12m runout with deck potential from 15-20m.
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(Except that above 6b (I'd argue 6a) that the grade widths are so wide to be pointless. Adam seems to be arguing against this, but I can't see the logic.
The main part of the problem are the 7a deniers like Nemo, not me. Thankfully not very many of them! Nemo's objection, if I recall correctly, is something akin to Xeno's paradox where any move can be subdivided into components no harder than 6c. Ignoring the reductio ad absurdum aspect, I suppose you could argue that on something like WSS which is both intricate and bottom end 7a, but I don't see see how you can really argue in 2024 that 9c or 9A are just a lot of 6c moves.
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uk 6b - runs from font 6B to 7A,
UK 6c: 6C to 7C+
I've always had uk 7a starting around 7B up to 7C+ ish, with 7b covering 8A and up. Of course this is for cruxy boulders not stamina traverses. So Deliverance (giants excepted) represents bottom end 7a, WSS more solid at the grade, Storm, Brad Pit etc mid-grade. 7b would cover moves like the start of Careless start, The Joker, or Help The Young sit. I don't have a lot of experience of harder boulders, and there don't seem to be many on routes, but I'd assume short 8B+ must be getting in to uk 7c and 9A therefore 8a. Aidan does seem to be doing harder moves than existed in the eighties!
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Let's transport that to a 20m cliff, give it some E1 climbing to get to 8m up, place 3 bomber cams (as a safe as it can be), then bust out your font7B+ crux, and then run it out to the top of the crag.
E4 7a yes?
Clearly not! Why would you think that? Putting that section anywhere but off the floor is going to be E5+, you've then added a 12m runout with deck potential from 15-20m.