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Title: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: duncan on March 25, 2022, 12:12:43 pm
The IFSC has sold viewing rights for all IFSC World Cup and World Championship events to discovery+ and Eurosport (https://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/news/697-ifsc-capitalises-on-soaring-popularity-of-climbing-to-agree-three-year-deal-with-discovery?utm_content=link1&utm_campaign=news_id_73019&utm_medium=news_post&utm_source=ukclimbing).   £7 a month.  Seems like five years after Merigen 2017 (https://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,27801.msg548814.html#msg548814) they're having another go.

“More than anything, our agreement with Discovery will raise the profile of our sport and our athletes, which should result in greater sponsorship opportunities for all climbers around the world,” said IFSC President Marco Scolaris. “We are confident that partnering with Discovery will help solidify our position as one of the fastest-growing Olympic sports and, thanks to the greater exposure, will lead more and more people to become interested in not only watching Climbing, but also trying it out.”


Title: Re: World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Davo on March 25, 2022, 12:23:17 pm
Well that is the end of me watching them! I really don’t think this is a good move but maybe it will work out for them?

Seems like the opposite to surfing where all the comps are free to view
Title: Re: World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on March 25, 2022, 12:27:10 pm
Sounds like will still be available for free on 24hr delay.

Be interesting to know how much they sold the rights for and where that money's going, as I don't see how restricting access to the livestream increases exposure or sponsorship opportunities.
Title: Re: World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on March 25, 2022, 12:38:39 pm
I think this is just as bad an idea as it was 5 years ago, but somehow seems more inevitable this time round. I'm not fully convinced this will lead to increased engagement though, unless they are showing it on Eurosport 1 or 2 - in that case, it is a very large audience and maybe there will be lots of new viewers each time round for a comp. But if it's hidden amongst who knows what other crap on an app somewhere, there's no way this can be beneficial for the sport.

Should note that it does mention they'll be free to stream on The Olympic Channel 24 hrs later (edit: just seen yours Duma), but that's little consolation really. I also find it incredible that they manage to make these announcements at the eleventh hour, right before the season opener - what's the reasoning? Trying to sneak it in to avoid scrutiny? Or just a very last minute deal is being, with the same timing as the last time they pulled this trick.

I'm sure the IFSC can come up with countless reasons why this is good, but I personally only see it as a sad outcome that we can no longer watch live, free competitions. Comp climbing is still a young sport - don't want to kill it off too early!
Title: Re: World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: duncan on March 25, 2022, 12:43:30 pm
Sounds like will still be available for free on 24hr delay.

Thanks Duma, I'd missed that bit. Edited subject to clarify.

Title: Re: World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on March 25, 2022, 01:25:18 pm
I think this is just as bad an idea as it was 5 years ago, but somehow seems more inevitable this time round. I'm not fully convinced this will lead to increased engagement though, unless they are showing it on Eurosport 1 or 2 - in that case, it is a very large audience and maybe there will be lots of new viewers each time round for a comp. But if it's hidden amongst who knows what other crap on an app somewhere, there's no way this can be beneficial for the sport.
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I'm sure the IFSC can come up with countless reasons why this is good, but I personally only see it as a sad outcome that we can no longer watch live, free competitions. Comp climbing is still a young sport - don't want to kill it off too early!
Agree - I cant see how this will fit into the schedules on the main channels - Comps take hours, and are mostly on at weekends in the afternoon/evening, i.e. when lots of other sport is on. Wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being only the finals of the comps that don't clash with anything (ie at antisocial times) being shown live on the main channels, and everything else being on the app.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on March 25, 2022, 10:03:11 pm
Looks like it'll still be free outside of Europe. Sounds like a major flaw on the IFSC's part, much easier to get around this way. I'm still hopefully for a U turn but given how large the deal probably is, it seems a bit unlikely.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Durbs on March 28, 2022, 08:41:53 am
I'm guessing this ties in to Shauna's recent post, and not seen any athletes come out in support of this - which they would if it was actually good for them.

Without knowing the financials, I'm always slightly surprised over-caffeinated sugary drink company haven't stepped into the ring to host comps. They sponsor some climbers, have made some features, but no actual events AFAIK? (There was that odd bridge climbing thing a while back, but I can't recall any "proper" comps"?).

Perhaps the audience isn't there.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: webbo on March 28, 2022, 09:20:23 am
The over-caffeinated sugary drink company used to broadcast the Mountainbike world cups but they have also been bought out by Discovery/ Eurosport/GCN.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Durbs on March 28, 2022, 09:25:12 am
The over-caffeinated sugary drink company used to broadcast the Mountainbike world cups but they have also been bought out by Discovery/ Eurosport/GCN.

So I just read, a real shame! I'm assuming this won't affect the one off events like Hardline or Rampage, just the WC circuit?
I don't follow MTB at all beyond YouTube events - was the news equally badly received?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Evil on March 28, 2022, 12:02:42 pm
The over-caffeinated sugary drink company used to broadcast the Mountainbike world cups but they have also been bought out by Discovery/ Eurosport/GCN.

Yuck, I really like watching the downhill world cups despite not being a mountain biker, but I definitely wouldn't pay for it! At least 2022 season is on sugary drink company TV. Perhaps the thinking is that if they buy up enough 'alternative' sports, then people will start to pay for it, as all the sports they are interested in maybe watching will be in this one place.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: webbo on March 28, 2022, 12:26:28 pm
The over-caffeinated sugary drink company used to broadcast the Mountainbike world cups but they have also been bought out by Discovery/ Eurosport/GCN.

So I just read, a real shame! I'm assuming this won't affect the one off events like Hardline or Rampage, just the WC circuit?
I don't follow MTB at all beyond YouTube events - was the news equally badly received?
Discovery taking over Eurosport/GCN has caused some concern on the mainly road cycling forum I frequent. Most people already have Eurosport/ GCN so they will have access to the Mountainbike races. The RB coverage was live with no adverts which is a big plus. There is a worry that Discovery will only be available as part of a bigger and more expensive package.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: fatneck on April 08, 2022, 10:48:11 am
Turns out we have free Discovery + by virtue of having a Sky Q box however, I can find no climbing on anywhere within the channel at all! Can anyone shed any light on this? 
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: fatneck on April 08, 2022, 10:54:30 am
Seems they're only showing semis and finals  ::)
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Danny on April 08, 2022, 02:01:29 pm
I assume we can VPN our way around this? I've never used a VPN before. Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: PlainCroi$$ant on April 08, 2022, 03:10:25 pm
Nord VPN has worked pretty well for me before
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: bigironhorse on April 08, 2022, 03:16:54 pm
Looks like it'll still be free outside of Europe. Sounds like a major flaw on the IFSC's part, much easier to get around this way. I'm still hopefully for a U turn but given how large the deal probably is, it seems a bit unlikely.

Where will it be streamed outside of Europe? Youtube again?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on April 08, 2022, 03:25:35 pm
Looks like it'll still be free outside of Europe. Sounds like a major flaw on the IFSC's part, much easier to get around this way. I'm still hopefully for a U turn but given how large the deal probably is, it seems a bit unlikely.

Where will it be streamed outside of Europe? Youtube again?

Apparently so
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: tk421a on April 08, 2022, 03:44:07 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMAN27jXQ2k

US VPN works for this. Can't see qualifiers on there. Similar streams for Mens / Finals available.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Danny on April 08, 2022, 03:47:48 pm
Will probably give Nord a go. About the same as a Discovery subscription, but I guess with more additional benefits  :lol:
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Danny on April 08, 2022, 03:51:36 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMAN27jXQ2k

US VPN works for this. Can't see qualifiers on there. Similar streams for Mens / Finals available.
Started the 7 day free trial. I can now see this.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on April 08, 2022, 04:37:04 pm
Can't see qualifiers on there.
Just as previous years, qualis won't be streamed. Not sure why they don't - maybe too long and chaotic to bother covering?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: webbo on April 09, 2022, 09:24:27 am
Womens on Eurosport iplayer today and mens tomorrow.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Bradders on April 09, 2022, 05:07:44 pm
Pretty incredible that not only is the live stream now paywalled, but the "highlights" video below is unbelievably poor! It starts okay with a bit of an intro, and then it's simply 3 minutes of slow-mo footage to a rubbish guitar sound track. No context, no commentary, nothing to tell you who did what or which big names missed out on semis. Ridiculous.

https://youtu.be/xz65RRjUwh4
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: wasbeen on April 09, 2022, 05:16:37 pm
I might be a bit biased as I love cycling but the £40 (actually £20 this year) for a Eurosport subscription is an absolute bargain. Tour of Flanders last week was epic, Tour of Basque today was brilliant, Amstel Gold tomorrow it goes on and on. Between Eurosport and Quest that is all my TV viewing covered. The climbing is just a bonus.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on April 09, 2022, 05:40:34 pm
Pretty incredible that not only is the live stream now paywalled, but the "highlights" video below is unbelievably poor!
I left a comment on the video (I'm ES) about the same thing which, judging by the number of votes, is a popular opinion. Hopefully the IFSC at least notice the unhappy comments - it was a truly awful summary of something we're unable to watch in any other way.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Stabbsy on April 09, 2022, 08:54:08 pm
I might be a bit biased as I love cycling but the £40 (actually £20 this year) for a Eurosport subscription is an absolute bargain. Tour of Flanders last week was epic, Tour of Basque today was brilliant, Amstel Gold tomorrow it goes on and on. Between Eurosport and Quest that is all my TV viewing covered. The climbing is just a bonus.
I’m in the same boat - I pay the annual amount basically so I can watch the spring classics. It was pretty much worth it for Tour of Flanders alone this year.

That said, currently watching a replay of the final and never thought I’d hear myself say it, but bring back Matt Groom! The Eurosport commentator is appalling. The best bit of commentary so far on W1 was the commentator saying that the route setter envisaged the climber dropping to their knees on the yellow volume for the last move. I presume they meant using a drop knee, but the uninitiated are going to be very confused!
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Bradders on April 09, 2022, 10:00:48 pm
I just realised that Eurosport is included with Amazon Prime, albeit I can't find the women's final just the semi  :-\

Matt Groom is commentating the semi at least Stabbsy.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: fatneck on April 10, 2022, 09:47:44 am
Good to here Eurosport is included with Prime membership. How do we access this Nick?

Also, turns out my free Discovery+ membership is Entertainment package only  :wank:

If anyone can give a heads up on when finals go live on YouTube it would be appreciated
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Bradders on April 10, 2022, 10:03:03 am
Sorry, my bad. I must have added Eurosport as a channel to my Prime subscription for the Olympics and then forgot to cancel if  ::) It's £6.99 extra a month  :wall:
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Bradders on April 10, 2022, 10:15:42 am
If it helps, the bloke who did the Olympic commentary is back again. The drop knee thing Stabbsy mentioned was jaw dropping, pretty sure he has no idea what a drop knee is.

He also said the angle of the first problem was "17' from parallel"....  :slap:

The worst bit though is he's not accompanied by the usual athlete co-commentator!
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on April 10, 2022, 11:01:02 am
Fanny Gibert is the first competitor I've seen to post something about the streaming situ. She's got something on her FB (and presumably Instagram) story currently about how it's bad, sharing the words of someone else - Nico Januel?

Could be the start of more athletes speaking out about it?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 10, 2022, 11:05:39 am
https://www.instagram.com/p/CcJEf2aNukY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Assume it's this?
Nico is a French team coach btw.

I don't get the bit about the IFSC giving the athletes the money, assume it's sarcasm?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on April 10, 2022, 11:08:29 am
I'm not on Instagram, but I believe that's the one.

Yeah I think it must be sarcasm - only way it would make sense?

If he's a coach, then maybe we can expect more from the French team on the matter.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 10, 2022, 11:08:46 am
OTOH, Stasa Gejo, probably one of the most active on social media, has just posted that she doesn't see what the fuss is about, which seems pretty short sighted.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 10, 2022, 11:12:21 am
Here is the text:

World Cup climbers,

I am very surprised to see the absence of reactions about the streaming. Today was a disaster for you.

Even in football it's difficult to sell subscriptions.

You will become invisible to the climbing world.

In few times you're not going to interest
any sponsors anymore.

You are the losers in this story while you are the main actors.

Our sport is not at all mature enough to
have paid diffusion.

Fortunately, Ifsc will give you back all TV rights money.

Keep fighting guys!!!!
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on April 10, 2022, 11:35:15 am
OTOH, Stasa Gejo, probably one of the most active on social media, has just posted that she doesn't see what the fuss is about, which seems pretty short sighted.

That does seem incredible. Is she at all accommodating of the angry fans' opinions? Implying people should just get over it is not a way to gain any sort of popularity.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Clart on April 10, 2022, 11:38:52 am
Looks like it'll still be free outside of Europe. Sounds like a major flaw on the IFSC's part, much easier to get around this way. I'm still hopefully for a U turn but given how large the deal probably is, it seems a bit unlikely.

Great, should be free in the UK then?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 10, 2022, 02:26:36 pm
So apparently the comps are available free with 24hr delay on the Olympic channel? Where/what is this? The discovery+ that I got and then cancelled for the Olympics doesn't work on my TV anymore (not supported (the TV is 2016 FFS!))
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 10, 2022, 06:40:22 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CcLYrenDo2P/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Alex Waterhouse IG post
Text reads:

A few weeks ago, the IFSC announced that this Discovery had acquired the rights to this year's World Cup livestreams, and the live broadcast would be put behind a paywall in Europe and some other countries. Replays of the streams will be available 24 hours later on YouTube, and spectators in the US will still be able to view the live stream as normal. The IFSC attempted to pull off a similar deal in 2017 with FloSport, but this was reneged after significant pushback from fans and athletes.

Yesterday, I put up a story asking my followers who normally watch comps (a particularly engaged set of fans keen enough to follow someone yet to make a WC final!) how they planned to watch the stream this weekend. Over half of the respondents weren't going to watch at all. Of those willing to make the effort in a paywalled country, over 75% are going tune into the USA steam via a VPN and only a fraction are going to subscribe to Discovery/Eurosport. This is far from a comprehensive study, but the numbers point to a very worrying trend that could threaten the future of the sport. Extrapolated, this equates to tens or hundreds of thousands of people less watching the comp live. Climbing's viewership is growing fast, and adding in extra hurdles is going to limit that massively. Core fans will probably still watch, but it'll be hard to convince someone on the fence to take the plunge and purchase a subscription.

Most comp climbers in the UK at least are self funded. I am really lucky to work with sponsors as that is the only way to support my international career, and I want to be able to support them in return as much as possible. I am struggling to see how this deal supports that. I think we need to start a conversation and hear from the IFSC and Discovery how they plan to grow the sport over the next years until Paris and beyond. Everything has its teething issues, but the direction is worrying and the decisions are happening behind closed doors and with limited athlete input. I believe the IFSC has the best interest of our sport in mind, but I'm worried that this is will be a damaging decision for fans and athletes without significant improvement in the quality of the presentation.
The IFSC, setters, organizers and athletes put on a heck of a show this weekend in Meiringen. One of the best comps to watch in a long time! I just want that, and climbing, to be enjoyed by as many people as possible across the world, and I think conversations like these are an important part of that.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: mattbirddog on April 10, 2022, 07:33:30 pm
I'm not on Instagram, but I believe that's the one.

Yeah I think it must be sarcasm - only way it would make sense?

If he's a coach, then maybe we can expect more from the French team on the matter.

The reference is to the IFSC press release saying this was going to be great for athletes in terms of commercial revenue.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Wellsy on April 10, 2022, 07:57:33 pm
OTOH, Stasa Gejo, probably one of the most active on social media, has just posted that she doesn't see what the fuss is about, which seems pretty short sighted.

It is rather short sighted but Stasa is very cool so I don't really mind. I think also she does have a point; it is cheap and usually to watch sports you do have to pay something
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: abarro81 on April 10, 2022, 08:24:02 pm
I guess how it works out will depend on whether it turns out that most comp watchers are
A. Fans who will pay
Or
B. People like me who like having the comp on while they stretch, cook dinner or do an ARC session on their fingerboard... who won't pay and will just watch Netflix or listen to a podcast instead and maybe watch the replay later if it was supposed to be a good comp

Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: moose on April 10, 2022, 08:46:01 pm
I get Eurosport with my cable package (I'm an inveterate football and NFL fan so pay silly money for sports channels).  I was heartened to see that the women's finals were broadcast live on the main Eurosport 1 channel but the men's finals are being shown on a 5 hour delay at 10pm, as a second-rate darts tournament and a Turkish cycling race are on while they are live.  Admittedly the Amstel Gold Race partly overlaps but climbing really does look like a filler / "small fish in big pond" in its new context.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 10, 2022, 09:23:01 pm
So men's final not shown live? That is an absolute piss take, and has certainly swung me to the VPN route if I decide to bother at all.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Bradders on April 10, 2022, 10:00:32 pm
Yep, bullshit. Why on earth would anyone pay for a live stream when a) it's not live, b) it's being shown late at night, and c) it'll be available for free shortly thereafter?!
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 10, 2022, 11:06:14 pm
d) has laughably bad commentary compared to the one the yanks get for free
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: sirlockoff on April 11, 2022, 08:13:19 am
I use zenmate for chrome as VPN, it is free, and manages to deliver 480p without buffering  :fishing:
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 11, 2022, 11:10:08 pm
Text from IG post by Manu:

manu_cornu

A few days before Meiringen, just like 5 years ago, streaming rights for the competition were sold. Back in 2017 we had all protested with a red card and by boycotting the competition at the start of the semi-final.
We are the actors of the show offered with each competition and I strive to keep our sport accessible to all.
Competition fans behind their screens are not the only ones affected by this change. Event organizers who are looking for partners to offer free streaming for these competitions in order to reach a larger audience are also on the front line.
We, the athletes, need visibility, most of us have image contracts, and this change will inevitably. bring changes to these contracts because of this loss of visibility. This entails potentially losing contracts and impacts our ability to build our careers as athletes.
Athletes, teams, and organizers live and accomplish their goals in large part thanks to the worldwide visibility offered by the live streams.
We are not a sufficiently developed sport today to be able to generate revenues significant enough to subsidize the athletes.
A first step would be for the federation to share parts of its revenues with the athletes.
Today, nothing has been agreed upon, neither with the athletes nor with the federations, but even if it had the scales would be too low.
I do not understand and do not support the decision of our international federation. We need to be united among climbers to respond to this development that simply does not work.
And the federation needs to place its athletes at the heart of its projects.
If there are no climbers, there is nothing to negotiate.

Integrating ads in free streaming would be a more constructive idea...

Things must change, let's unite!
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: erm, sam on April 12, 2022, 08:25:46 am
I have eurosport on tv as part of the bundle I have and even with that it is super annoying. The non live coverge of the mens was delayed due to the darts, fucking darts, overunning and they have edited it so you don't see everybody climb everythign and the commentator as disscussed is totally excrable. I'm sure he is a very nice man but skilled climbing commentator he is not. In the intro behind his rhetorical bellowing you could hear Matt Groom and another bloke having an interesting conversation about the problems, just to rub it in.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on April 12, 2022, 09:11:38 am
Same as you, Eurosport already on my TV.

Pretty terrible coverage considering people pay for that. Hours later than live, and not the full comp - people getting zones that determine placing and we don't see the entire round! Ogata got a zone which helped him get a podium place, and we just completely missed it. And then Fujii had the chance to come out and top the final boulder and win, and they didn't show that either, which is normally one of the best moments. Commentator was also poor - do Americans love him or something? Cos I can't imagine he got favourable reviews after the Olympics, not from what I heard anyway, albeit that was almost exclusively Brits.

You know it's bad when people with free access to Eurosport are considering the VPN + YouTube option  :furious:
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Bradders on April 12, 2022, 10:37:47 am
the commentator as disscussed is totally excrable. I'm sure he is a very nice man but skilled climbing commentator he is not. In the intro behind his rhetorical bellowing you could hear Matt Groom and another bloke having an interesting conversation about the problems, just to rub it in.

I never thought I would be yearning for Matt bloody Groom to come back, but here we are!

I get the impression that he's employed as a general commentator by Eurosport, I.e. he ends up commentating on a variety of different sports and therefore knows very little about the actual sport in question. It genuinely sounds like he's never climbed in his life, and is basically reading from an information sheet which states:

a) the name of the athlete
b) their age
c) whether they've won anything before
d) their nationality and place of birth; and,
e) what the routesetters had in mind for the problem

Repeat ad infinitum. No insight, no analysis, nothing. I don't think he even knows the rules. When Duffy had to re-do problem 3 he said something like "the judges must have spotted something", clearly with no clue what it was that they'd seen.

If I have to listen to him say something along the lines of "great start for the xx year old from xxxxxxx" again I could scream.

Same as you, Eurosport already on my TV.

Pretty terrible coverage considering people pay for that. Hours later than live, and not the full comp - people getting zones that determine placing and we don't see the entire round! Ogata got a zone on M4, which secured him a podium place, and we just completely missed it. And then Fujii had the chance to come out and top the final boulder and win, and they didn't show that either, which is normally one of the best moments.

Not sure about this; the version I watched on Prime / Eurosport was the full thing, unedited. There are two versions on there for some reason, highlights and full replay.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on April 12, 2022, 10:41:36 am
I recorded the program through Sky Q when it was broadcast, and then watched it later. So I got to see the end of the darts, ad breaks, etc. Which makes me think I got to see it exactly how it was broadcast.

They then maybe uploaded the unedited version to the online streams for people to watch later?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: webbo on April 12, 2022, 10:53:08 am
I have the Eurosport Iplayer for the cycling. On various cycling forums there is a lot of angst about certain commentators Carlton Kirby and Rob Hatch both don’t have cycling background. Yet they are usually paired with an ex professional rider for major races.
This issue has been running for several years so don’t expect any changes soon.
Also races often don’t appear when they are scheduled or are missing commentary. Plus they also disappear from the on demand list.
So it’s not perfect but I feel it worth it for the cycling but there no way I’d pay just for the climbing comps.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 12, 2022, 11:21:06 am
Seems really odd that they don't use Groom given he's still doing it for the youtube stream.

So the ONLY way to watch the men's finals live was via VPN, and the broadcast version was edited such as to remove crucial action? IE if you live in Europe and give any sort of fuck about the WCs the ONLY option is now via VPN? The IFSC need to bin this pronto, and if they don't I'd say the competitors should be protesting similar tor 2017
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: roddersm on April 12, 2022, 11:36:13 am
the commentator as disscussed is totally excrable. I'm sure he is a very nice man but skilled climbing commentator he is not. In the intro behind his rhetorical bellowing you could hear Matt Groom and another bloke having an interesting conversation about the problems, just to rub it in.

I never thought I would be yearning for Matt bloody Groom to come back, but here we are!

I get the impression that he's employed as a general commentator by Eurosport, I.e. he ends up commentating on a variety of different sports and therefore knows very little about the actual sport in question. It genuinely sounds like he's never climbed in his life, and is basically reading from an information sheet which states:

a) the name of the athlete
b) their age
c) whether they've won anything before
d) their nationality and place of birth; and,
e) what the routesetters had in mind for the problem

Repeat ad infinitum. No insight, no analysis, nothing. I don't think he even knows the rules. When Duffy had to re-do problem 3 he said something like "the judges must have spotted something", clearly with no clue what it was that they'd seen.

If I have to listen to him say something along the lines of "great start for the xx year old from xxxxxxx" again I could scream.

Same as you, Eurosport already on my TV.

Pretty terrible coverage considering people pay for that. Hours later than live, and not the full comp - people getting zones that determine placing and we don't see the entire round! Ogata got a zone on M4, which secured him a podium place, and we just completely missed it. And then Fujii had the chance to come out and top the final boulder and win, and they didn't show that either, which is normally one of the best moments.

Not sure about this; the version I watched on Prime / Eurosport was the full thing, unedited. There are two versions on there for some reason, highlights and full replay.

The best bit was when he relayed the route setters beta to finish Female final problem 1 (I think it was) as to "drop to the knees"....
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on April 12, 2022, 11:47:18 am
So the ONLY way to watch the men's finals live was via VPN, and the broadcast version was edited such as to remove crucial action? IE if you live in Europe and give any sort of fuck about the WCs the ONLY option is now via VPN? The IFSC need to bin this pronto, and if they don't I'd say the competitors should be protesting similar tor 2017

Seems that way - which is absolutely ridiculous. Seems pretty indefensible really, to suggest that people should start paying as well as losing the ability to watch live. Curious if the IFSC will attempt to respond to any criticism - not got huge expectations, although if more athletes keep speaking up, it maybe happen.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Wellsy on April 12, 2022, 11:51:30 am
That does seem fucking stupid yeah
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: SA Chris on April 12, 2022, 12:01:20 pm
Wonder if Eurosport actually monitor the number of people watching the streams? Maybe if they find it's below a certain number they might be able to pull out of the deal?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: jwi on April 12, 2022, 12:01:37 pm
It has been more than 24 hours since the comp, and still no replay on youtube as far as I can tell? The only bit of footage I have found is on Beta Routesetting's channel.

I guess I will not view any comps this year.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: SA Chris on April 12, 2022, 12:11:34 pm
Can you not watch here?

https://olympics.com/en/video/sport-climbing-men-s-boulder-semi-final-world-cup-meiringen
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on April 12, 2022, 12:19:17 pm
Think the replays aren't on youtube, they're on the Olympic channels site (which is shit, and apparently you can't cast to your TV from it). I mean, picking "sports climbing" (shudder) from the list of sports doesn't bring it up, searching for "bouldering" doesn't work, I had to search for Meiringen to find the vids. Not watched them tbh, but here you go:

https://olympics.com/en/search/videos/?q=Meiringen

Edit, Chris beat me to it
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: SA Chris on April 12, 2022, 12:27:18 pm
Yeah, i had to look up Meiringen too.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Dexter on April 12, 2022, 12:30:28 pm
Think the replays aren't on youtube, they're on the Olympic channels site (which is shit, and apparently you can't cast to your TV from it). I mean, picking "sports climbing" (shudder) from the list of sports doesn't bring it up, searching for "bouldering" doesn't work, I had to search for Meiringen to find the vids. Not watched them tbh, but here you go:

https://olympics.com/en/search/videos/?q=Meiringen

Edit, Chris beat me to it
It's also shite how you can't do any easy skipping forwards or backwards on their video like you can for youtube.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: jwi on April 12, 2022, 12:47:31 pm
thanks people!
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Ali on April 12, 2022, 01:07:54 pm
I've watched some of it via Olympic channel and was able to cast to TV (using a chromecast) although could only get it to full screen using their app rather than website.
You can skip backwards and forwards but you have to press pause and then play after moving along the time for it to work.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: SA Chris on April 12, 2022, 01:12:27 pm
was going to say the same regarding skipping forward and back, not as easy as the double tap on youtube app.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: webbo on April 12, 2022, 01:56:31 pm
The semi’s and the finals, mens and womens are on the Eurosport Iplayer. They are being repeated on the scheduled programmes as well as being available on demand.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: fatneck on April 12, 2022, 08:18:53 pm
Just watching the "highlights" of the Men's final and it's a complete shambles. Missed out two of the competitors on the first problem because of adverts even though IT'S THE FUCKING HIGHLIGHTS!!!!

What a shit show...
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: fatneck on May 28, 2022, 12:16:52 pm
Total noob about VPN stuff but finally decided I can't bear it any longer. Can someone signpost me to a decent provider? Best value etc? Is there only one?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: jwi on May 28, 2022, 12:20:26 pm
PrivadoVPN has 10 gb free per month, so they almost surely mine your traffic and sell it on. If you are fine with that it allows you to watch the world cup for free.

Otherwise more reputable providers like NordVPN or ExpressVPN might give you a three month trial?
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Stu Littlefair on May 28, 2022, 12:21:32 pm
This has been said a few times above already but many people still seem to be missing it:

THE FULL FEEDS ARE AVAILABLE FREE OF CHARGE ON THE OLYMPIC CHANNEL.

The only difference to last year is that the feeds aren’t uploaded until a day after the event. So unless you want to watch the comps live you don’t need to piss about with VPNs etc.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Duma on May 28, 2022, 12:25:58 pm
Theres plenty, but lots of people use NordVPN.
Free ones will be selling data on your traffic.

https://nordvpn.com/

Stu:

true, but once I know the results I find myself completely uninterested, and IG makes it almost impossible to avoid finding out
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: jwi on May 28, 2022, 03:57:12 pm
Sports should be watched live, otherwise we would just re-watch this over and over (especially the marathon bit towards the end)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHt0eAdCCns
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Stu Littlefair on May 28, 2022, 06:29:53 pm
Well quite, but given that fat neck is talking about watching the highlights…
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: finbarrr on May 28, 2022, 07:07:22 pm


Stu:

true, but once I know the results I find myself completely uninterested, and IG makes it almost impossible to avoid finding out

the olympic channel also makes it almost impossible to find the video without finding the results. last comp was ruined searching for it in the olympic website, the comp before i tried to google the video at the olympic channel, also gave the results first.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Bradders on May 28, 2022, 07:09:23 pm
This has been said a few times above already but many people still seem to be missing it:

THE FULL FEEDS ARE AVAILABLE FREE OF CHARGE ON THE OLYMPIC CHANNEL.

The only difference to last year is that the feeds aren’t uploaded until a day after the event. So unless you want to watch the comps live you don’t need to piss about with VPNs etc.

Yeah they are but it's not live and they're really difficult to find, and as Duma said it's hard to avoid seeing the result beforehand even if you don't have Instagram. For example last weekend I was hoping to watch the SLC first round so went on the Olympics website, searched for climbing and was immediately presented with the result!

Best way I think is to do a Google video search, and go to it directly from there.

Edit: finbarr beat me to it
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Bradders on June 24, 2022, 06:15:13 pm
Anyone found the stream for yesterday's men's comp available anywhere? Just tried looking on the Olympics site and couldn't find it.
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: edshakey on June 24, 2022, 06:40:23 pm
It may well be late, but also maybe it's uploaded 24 hrs after the conclusion, not the start? So worth checking back at 8:30 ish?

(I'm probably being too forgiving, it wouldn't be at all surprising if it just isn't up for no good reason)
Title: Re: Live World Cup and World Champs. no longer free-to-view
Post by: Bradders on June 25, 2022, 08:23:22 am
Women's final is now on the Olympics site but still missing the Men's  ::)

https://olympics.com/en/video/sport-climbing-women-s-boulder-final-world-cup-innsbruck
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