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the shizzle => shootin' the shit => music, art and culture => Topic started by: Houdini on March 12, 2009, 09:44:13 pm
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Not long now (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/mar/11/norwegian-black-metal-varg-vikernes) for Burzum creator and mainstay.
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I'm confused Houdini..
Why would you be be hailing the release of a guy who murdered one of his mates and for many years espoused a racially oriented form of neo-paganism.. Do you think murder and racial hatred are cool if you happen to front a Death Metal band or something? :-\
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It's not Death, it's Black.
Varg "Count Grishnackh" Vikernes was an awesome musical creator, Burzum is Varg. Yeah, he's a nutter that murdered someone that was going to kill him. Oh and he burned some churches too.
Do I agree with the stuff he did? No.
Do I think he created THE best SchwartzMetal ever? Hell yeah!!!
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'scuse the genre confusion.. you're right.. Burzum is Black not Death metal.
I'm still really uncomfortable excusing a neo-nazi murderer just because he recorded a seminal black metal album :shrug:
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Do I agree with the stuff he did? No.
Do I think he created THE best SchwartzMetal ever? Hell yeah!!!
Only a fool "excuses" what he did. But I still think he's a musical visionary.
He was wrong. He made good music. Just because I love his music doesn't mean to say I agree with his views.
This is war. Waaar.
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Sometimes the internet is a bore, this is one of those times.
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Just finished reading 'Lords of Chaos ' , by 'eck those black metal boys were serious ......
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I'm confused Houdini..
Why would you be be hailing the release of a guy who murdered one of his mates and for many years espoused a racially oriented form of neo-paganism.. Do you think murder and racial hatred are cool if you happen to front a Death Metal band or something? :-\
'cause he made (for the most part) good music. I don't share his beliefs and am never going to but he's an interesting character and was part of one of the most interesting musical genres, in terms of the activities going on around the music. The bands that were around prior to his incarceration (Mayhem, Burzum etc.) were totally true to their cause, they weren't; as many bands do, living a 'normal life' and then writing songs in an 'extreme' style, that was who they were at the time, which is something quite unique and therefore interesting.
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if only you could hear yourselves speak.
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There's a fine line between genius and insanity.
In your opinion Varg was the wrong side. Yeah, he killed people amd burned shit. But his metal is the best ever!!
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if only you could hear yourselves speak.
I can hear myself speak .....
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Just seen on their discog he had a release in 2010 "Belus", anyone heard it? Is it as bad as Hliaskjaff (sp?)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23327165 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23327165)
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Props to the BBC for getting the musical genre correct.
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I was thinking of this thread as I was reading Twitter earlier... the guy is a fucking dick.
Charlie Manson made some good folk albums too but was also a racist, messianic, nihilist murderer.
The ultra-green/volk movement is chock full of fascist, racist ideologues.. keep your heads twisted in the right way on kids.
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I'm not sure how this changes much about him. I read an article on Vice (pretty sure it was on Vice but can't find it now) in the light of these arrests and the upshot was it was just a precaution based on Breivik sending him his manifesto + past crimes + wife owning weapons. Guy might be a dick but nothing has happened that has made him more dickish.
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Whatever happened to Houdini?
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Whatever happened to Houdini?
He disappeared. :clown:
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Wagner was a dick but wrote some good music too. I personally think the two aspects can be separated.
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Didn't think much of his dancing or singing though.