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the shizzle => get involved: access, environment, BMC => Topic started by: DAVETHOMAS90 on December 13, 2016, 07:43:25 pm
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I'm sure that many UKB members - whether living in Sheffield or not - will be aware of the programme of tree felling in Sheffield, as part of the road maintenance contract awarded to Amey by Sheffield City Council.
There has been a lot of high profile campaigning. I wanted to provide some information and useful links for anyone who wants to get involved, or just find out more about the situation.
This first post is just to highlight the situation to anyone who wasn't already aware, and hopefully to provide a few links to follow, so they can sign up to the various action groups - go to the STAG (Sheffield Tree action Groups) website, and give your details to receive alerts and updates.
http://www.wildsheffield.com/what-we-do/south-yorkshire-biodiversity/planning-and-policy/sheffield-street-trees
http://www.savesheffieldtrees.org.uk/
http://sheffieldgreenparty.org.uk/issues/streets-ahead-the-battle-for-our-street-trees/
https://en-gb.facebook.com/savesheffieldtrees/
https://twitter.com/saveshefftrees?lang=en
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCplN5aAUlR3QqaSBdVBU3mw/videos
My intention isn't to provide an opportunity for mud-slinging - unless otherwise appropriate :no: :shrug: :wall: :please: - but hopefully to encourage debate, and to make it easier for people to find out what's going on.
Personally, I was unaware of the full scope of works until very recently. For those who don't know, every tree you see with a red or yellow ribbon around it, or a heart with "Save Me" written on it, is a condemned tree. There will be many others of course. I'll try to provide more information and useful links.
Given the history of active campaigning against tree felling, by climbers at sites such as Newbury, I thought that many UKBers would want to do what they can to support the great efforts of all those already involved and active. I haven't mentioned names, solely to avoid missing anyone out!
Share this, obviously.
Dave T.
For Nether Edge trees:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaCONJ-lr5IG2SUkFZFiqwRLqyCLu9qo0hlB-WBuGVgqczIA/viewform?c=0&w=1
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This matters.
In a contract worth £2bn over 25 years, felling the trees appears to be a convenient way for the contractor, Amey, to cut costs while meeting the output specification.
Who knows, perhaps that isn't the primary motive, but there certainly seems to be a lack of consultation and research into alternatives to felling the trees.
There are democratic concerns too, with respect to how PFIs are drawn up.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/aug/15/treeconomics-street-trees-cities-sheffield-itree
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Quite. 3 down..
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,10191.6275.html
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As far as I know it's the case that the original contract signed with Amey says in it they can cut down X number of thousand trees (25k?). Contract probably shouldn't have been signed like that giving SCC no control over what they cut down (like many PFI contracts signed in recents years), but now it has, basically, even if they wanted to SCC can't stop them cutting stuff down unless they cough up umpteen million to buy out of the contract, which will not happen.
So we're probably stuck with Amey for the duration of the contract (40yrs?) cutting down whatever trees they want. Also annoys me that all these mature trees they're cutting down are probably netting them good cash for the wood, which is public property.
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Quite. 3 2 down..
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,10191.6275.html
Good to see some responses to what is a very important issue.
I'd seen your post MrJR :yes: but wanted to provide some info so that local folk knew how to get involved. I think that a lot of people will be unaware of the full scope of works. I'm hoping for some strong responses from the climbing community. There was a brief thread on the other channel ( http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=628013 ) last year, which didn't appear to receive much interest. Given the strength of the campaigning from some local residents, I was really hoping we might be able to provide additional support.
Spread the word :thumbsup:
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Some of those they want to pull down on Western Road (where we lived for 9 years up until a couple of years ago) are a war memorial:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/30/sheffield-council-urged-to-drop-plans-to-fell-war-memorial-trees
Alan (UKC) lives on Western Road and I think is involved in local campaigning.
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we will refer the street to the independent tree panel for further investigation
Too many easy jokes up for grabs. Sad situation this.
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Forgot to say I say somewhere on social media there is a movement afoot by some parties to withhold council tax money from the council until the tree thing is resolved. No idea what level of non-payment would be required across the city to reach the point where SCC would not have the resources to process all the non-payments and pursue through the courts etc.
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I'm a little confused about what the proposed alternative might be. If a binding contract, no matter how shit it might be, has been signed, what mechanism will be used to stop the felling? Would we all be happy to accept a council tax hike to enable SCC to buy out the contract? Perhaps in leafy, well-to-do Nether Edge, but try selling it to those living in Crystal Peaks and Manor Top. There is also the fact that quite a few mature tress do need to be felled, that's a given for any proper tree management plan. Why? Well, because we haven't had a proper plan for years, many of the trees are of a similar age and size, and you ideally need a good spread of ages, sizes and species across the tree stock. There needs to be some compromise, and some trees. probably more than we'd like, may need to go.
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I don't think anyone would deny that some trees need to be managed, but it leaves (no pun intended) a nasty taste when they go about it they way they have. I.e. have a consultation, get independent expert advice, then ignore it and employ police-state tactics to enforce the decision.
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I.e. have a consultation, get independent expert advice, then ignore it and employ police-state tactics to enforce the decision.
<cynic>Isn't that how government works though?</cynic>
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We are unable to see what the contract is with Amey despite numerous attempts. It was signed about 5 years ago. Is it really binding? I don't know but if it can be shown that they are not fulfilling certain criteria...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/street-cleaning-firm-amey-regrets-9643719
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Rail-News/amey-loses-lu-maintenance-contract-after-cost-concerns
http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2016/10/06/high-court-orders-amey-to-return-9-5m-to-council/
At least currently, because so much pressure is being brought to politicians, SCC are in discussions with Amey to look further at engineering solutions which I understand Amey are now saying is viable in some circumstances.
This issue is a hot topic on other social media channels if anyone is interested. Sheffield Tree Action Group (STAG).
https://www.facebook.com/groups/392913244219104/
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/street-cleaning-firm-amey-regrets-9643719
I'm sure Homer knows how they feel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAWFriUsMo
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I don't think anyone would deny that some trees need to be managed, but it leaves (no pun intended) a nasty taste when they go about it they way they have. I.e. have a consultation, get independent expert advice, then ignore it and employ police-state tactics to enforce the decision.
Quite. And working with the police to invoke dodgy legislation as an enforcement mechanism.
I'll try to get other information, but as I understand it, tree management wasn't part of the original contract.
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Freedom Of Information request?
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FOI requests has been unsuccessful.
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I heard that the trees have all been sold to Spain to build a new armada
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For anyone interested, the following from Paul Selby:
Hi everyone
Two weeks ago I sent out my analysis of the 172 trees listed for felling in Nether Edge and Sharrow. It was suggested I send it to the media and Sheffield Live TV were the first to bite when I sent out the press release. You can see the results in the video accessed through the following weblink. It sort of brings the analysis to life.
Best wishes
Paul
http://web.sheffieldlive.org/save-nether-edge-trees-report-highlights-needless-felling/
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That's a great video, well presented.
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Oops, sorry, this Paul Selby guy isn't even qualified to impose his own arbitrary assessment. I suspect he may be thinking independently! :slap:
He's even being rational, considered and balanced in presenting his views.
Doesn't he understand, his type aren't welcome round yer 'ny more. Kick 'im out!
:P
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our road in 2014...
(https://s28.postimg.org/70spzjbrt/IMAG0385.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/70spzjbrt/)
Our road in 2017...
(https://s28.postimg.org/tyfhp15y1/20170113_095458.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/tyfhp15y1/)
(https://s28.postimg.org/u0zdbv9ll/20170113_092029.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/u0zdbv9ll/)
Thanks to this kind young fella at 4am this morning...
(https://s28.postimg.org/7nrmp28nt/20170113_094359.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/7nrmp28nt/)
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This happened on our old road. Apparently they have funding to replace the trees. But only once.
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That idiot wouldn't have been able to snap one of the old trees, but its really an issue of him being a fucking idiot. If the tree hadn't been there he'd have found his fun kicking cars or some other such mindless act of vandalism.
Trees, particularly large ones, are prone (https://twitter.com/peakdistrict/status/819577766010036224) to being blown over (https://twitter.com/peakdistrict/status/819578299970125824) in strong winds. Several neighbours had +30m pines fall on their houses in the Great Storm of 1987 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1987) and I'm pretty sure it wasn't that pleasant having them crash through the house in the middle of the night.
People die when large trees, or boughs from them, fall in strong winds. They crush cars and damage houses too.
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Trees can blow over? Get out of here.
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I was living in a caravan on a farm during the Great Storm in 1987. The sound of the trees coming down around me that night is something I'll never forget - a few of us took shelter in a barn that was clear of any trees and hoped for the best. Come morning, miraculously none of the buildings had been hit but it took us 2 days work to cut up and haul fallen trees out of the way to be connected to civilisation again. No shortage of firewood, mind.
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Case against Sheffield tree protestors is dropped (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/26/case-against-sheffield-tree-protesters-is-dropped)
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Yes, great stuff :clap2:
:2thumbsup:
Good effort posting that one up Slackline.
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Hi everyone.
There was a good show of strength in protest against felling of trees on Chippinghouse Road in Nether Edge today.
However, we really need more support, and I'm hoping that members of the local climbing community would like to be more involved in the very well coordinated campaign - against the way the council has given the green light to felling of trees on a very poorly consulted basis.
This is a very important time, and it's anticipated that there will be a great deal of action to fell trees in the Nether Edge and Ecclesall areas throughout the next month.
Any support or help in spreading the word locally will be greatly appreciated.
If you want more information, either PM me, or use the link below:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaCONJ-lr5IG2SUkFZFiqwRLqyCLu9qo0hlB-WBuGVgqczIA/viewform?c=0&w=1
Dave.
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Another tree due to be felled on St Ronan's road today (13 Feb), the next street along from Chippinghouse road. Several protestors there but more needed if anyone can make it down there...
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Well done posting Simon.
We saved that one - for the time being.
I'll give a comprehensive update when I can.
There's going to be a lot of activity in Nether Edge, Ecclesall and Meersbrook, and the more support we can get, the better.
Dave.
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Two film crews are turning up tomorrow morning (Thurs 16th) at 8am to chippinghouse Rd, would be good to turn up in numbers if anyone is free, unfortunately I start work at 7.30 , but those with a day off could stop by on their way out to the peak...
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Thanks for the update on that dr_b.
After the legal challenge presented on Monday, Amey have been inactive. :dance1:
If Amey turn up, then so will supporters of the campaign, but we can't always predict this.
I won't be able to get there at that time - I'm also distributing campaign material tomorrow, but I'll try to make sure that this is covered elsewhere.
Dave T.
For more information, and to register support, go here!:
https://savenetheredgetrees.wordpress.com/
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Hi Folks.
I've not updated this thread for a while. I've been busy, dividing time between Tree work, the campus board and work.
There's a lot of media which I'd like to post, but those who have been either playing an active role in campaigning, or are closely following developments, may be interested in the following open response from the Police and Crime Commissioner, Alan Billings (posted by Calvin Payne on Facebook https://en-gb.facebook.com/groups/969911106414893/ ):
Calvin Mark Payne
11 hrs
Several folk have received the following from Alan Billings in response to their letters:
Thank you for your correspondence in relation to the tree felling that occurred last month on Chippinghouse Road, Sheffield.
Since you made contact I have had a number of meetings with the police, Sheffield City Council and tree protestors. I have waited until those talks were complete before replying.
In summary, South Yorkshire Police will not be arresting anyone in the future using trade union legislation or any other law (e.g. highways legislation) because they accept that all cases brought to the Crown Prosecution Service have been rejected on the grounds that while protestors might be infringing these laws, it is not in the public interest to have them convicted. There are civil remedies open to the council to pursue which do not involve criminal law.
South Yorkshire Police were put into direct conflict with peaceful protestors and that potentially could damage public trust and confidence in them.
Councillors are now fully aware of this situation and the police response. It is a matter for them to find a way of resolving the issues with residents and protestors.
Thank you for taking the time to write.
All good wishes
Alan
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Michael Gove to the rescue? A more unlikely hero of the hour I would struggle to imagine......
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/28/michael-gove-seeking-way-to-end-bonkers-felling-of-sheffield-trees
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Yes, well done for posting that! A few of us have been trying to refer the matter to Secretary of State for the Environment/Rural Affairs, Michael Gove, through his ministerial office. I attended one of local MP Paul Blomfield's "BIG CON-versation" meetings this evening. The matter was effectively shut down, with Paul Blomfield (Labour) using the meeting as little more than an opportunity to defend his position - rather than embracing the views of those present. Remarkably disappointing! It's the politicising of environmental concerns which is so damaging to the debate and progress.
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George Monbiot on the perils of PFI
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/24/sheffield-state-corporate-power-subvert-democracy-pfi
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I'm not a lawyer, but why would you need a 25-year contract and is it really not possible to challenge that? Surely it's unreasonable to be tied into such a lengthy contract under such circumstances. My only experience is of restrictive covenants in contracts and these need to be 'reasonable'.
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This has appeared on the STAG Facebook page this evening:
https://evolvepolitics.com/tories-to-give-private-firms-like-g4s-and-serco-powers-to-arrest-people-in-shocking-290m-privatisation-deal/
I hope everyone finds this sort of development reassuring. :blink:
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I liked the film Robocop
and Chappie
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Short video on PFI if anyone is interested:
https://youtu.be/32AglebZSZQ
The real cost of those sultanas in your pain au raisin - it's redacted. :whistle:
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Letter from Councillor Alison Teal to South Yorkshire Police Assistant Chief Constable Dave Hartley, earlier on 23/02/2018.
This great letter addresses what seems to be a worrying development in the role of the police in the Sheffield trees dispute:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/392913244219104?view=permalink&id=909991485844608&_ft_=qid.6525927727902437053%3Amf_story_key.909991485844608%3Atop_level_post_id.909991485844608%3Atl_objid.909991485844608%3Asrc.22&refid=18&__tn__=%2C%3B
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This is a great article.
Tree felling in Sheffield; a landscape perspective:
https://www.landscapeinstitute.org/blog/streets-ahead/
Link via Deerhound Shetty, from the STAG Facebook page:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/392913244219104/
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Oh, and:
https://medium.com/@jennifersaul/sheffield-where-a-gritted-street-strikes-fear-into-the-hearts-of-residents-f3fd8ea13a43
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Hopefully something will change with the May council elections, but probably not. :(
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Yes, perhaps it will lead to a little more opportunity for negotiation.
It's another symptom of the same problem though, isn't it, if that comes only as a result of council members protecting vested interests. That seems to be what our "democracy" has become.
I think it's important to look at both sides though, as always. There's plenty of group think on both sides, and however seemingly justified, it's important to avoid the "Us and Them" where possible. That won't lead to trust and conciliation.
The position of the local media - Sheffield Star particularly - leaves much to be desired.
There's a great opportunity for Sheffield - "The Outdoor City" !! - to showcase creative approaches to environmental issues. I can only imagine that would be a win for Amey too, if they could see past the situation specific contractually, to Sheffield.
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An informative critique of the replacement trees, worth reading although some of the points are a bit repetitive
https://savesheffieldtrees.org.uk/a-critique-of-ameys-replacement-trees/
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Just replace "flagstones" with "trees":
“In the town centre it is all conservation areas, and there are all of these nice flagstones. They take the flagstones away and put tarmac on it.”
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/gloucestershires-hopeless-highways-firm-lose-553756#ICID=sharebar_facebook
I should join Facebook really, and post there (would rather not), however I think the issues faced in Sheffield with the trees are the same as those arising from private ownership/land management in the Peak.
Who are the stakeholders?
Good post by dr_botnik. A lot of people don't want to look at the detail.
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Hi everyone.
The following text is part of a news update by one of our local campaigners, Paul Selby, who has worked hard to achieve transparency.
There is a lot of information that Sheffield City Council simply do not want members of the public to know.
Following Paul's freedom of information requests, the Council have been instructed to disclose various target figures and clauses.
The target of 17,500 trees to be felled by the end of the contract term, is half the street trees in Sheffield! :ohmy:
Many people have been seduced by the narrative coming from the Council. Personally, I've been dismayed at the willingness of many people to simply accept what they are told. I've also been surprised by the lack of response from the climbing community, which seems to be swaying merrily between the two poles of Establishment/disestablishment ( :unsure: sorry, my feelings) - particularly given the strength of response to the Newbury forest fellings.
Please read!
"The crazy situation is drawing heavy national media attention. The Daily Mail today again ran a large article, and BBC investigative journalists have been filming events this last two days. The Yorkshire Post has always been very supportive of the campaign and has reported most days this week. Even the Sheffield Star, which struggles to criticise the Council because of all the advertising funding it receives from them, had a front page headline today criticising the current situation.
The situation has again led to the Police and Crime Commissioner, Dr Billings, to say that the situation requires a political solution. It is clear that, whilst the Police are working closely with Amey and Sheffield Council, they are very uncomfortable about this. All of you reading this email should write to the Police and complain about the situation.
In the background, there are now two strong legal cases being built against the Council, both of which have the possibility of suspending and ultimately ending felling. As I’ve said before, building the legal cases requires painstaking work over many weeks. If only it was easier! But the cases are building strongly.
Also, yesterday, after 14 months, the Information Commissioner forced Sheffield Council to release Schedule 2 of the PFI contract in a mostly un-redacted form. My freedom of information request was made in January 2017, and only now has the information I wanted been revealed, thanks to the Information Commissioner’s intervention. Schedule 2 includes all of the targets and performance metrics that Amey are required to meet. It confirms (something I always suspected) that there is a target for perfectly straight kerb lines, with no deviations. This despite it NOT being a legal requirement in Highways Act legislation. In other words, an unnecessary target about straight kerb lines is being used to justify the removal of between 33% and 50% of the already felled and threatened trees.
Another one of the targets revealed in Schedule 2 is that 17,500 street trees will be felled by the end of the 25 year contract. So that’s another 11,800 trees more felled above the ones already felled. In other words, 50% of all Sheffield’s street trees will have been felled by the end of the contract. The Council have said repeatedly on the record that there is no tree felling numbers target, including in court. Clearly the Council have been brazenly lying!
The full story can be found at the following Yorkshire Post story:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/our-region/south-yorkshire/sheffield/sheffield-council-forced-to-reveal-target-to-remove-17-500-street-trees-under-pfi-deal-1-9056942
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In posting the above, I was aware of the potential for misinterpretation.
I should add, that from what I've observed on the streets, it seems very clear to me that Amey, the Council and the tree contractor Acorn are not acting with the discretion that they claim.
Rather than celebrating and preserving the tree stock we have already, it certainly appears that felling is the easy option - with an obviously ad hoc approach to the decision to chop or not.
Further, I strongly claim that the position of the Council is being abused, with the intention of suppressing public opposition.
It is the selling off of the democratic process - the active disenfranchisement of the public - which is the underlying problem which has resulted in the trees becoming the battleground.
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I thought about putting this one in under "Trump" too:
https://youtu.be/6Pbao5lcX9U
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/22/sheffield-tree-protester-arrested-for-playing-plastic-trumpet?CMP=share_btn_fb
It's the last line in the video, which says it all - what would happen if you complained to the police about someone playing a plastic trumpet?
I'm far from being anti-police* . Most I've spoken with at protest sites being completely respectful, normal people doing a job.
However, it's in the operation of the whole - and the "whole" in this context can refer to the triumvirate (not to be confused with the Trump virus) of SCC/Amey/SYP - working together to protect their respective positions and interests that the harm is done.
*I have my own complaints WRT the police - as a body, again not typically against the individual.
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Looks like they've stopped for now at least...
https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/978234949684875265
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Yes.
Who knows, may just be another "pause" - for political reasons, with local elections just a month away, but good news nonetheless.
We've started a "people's audit" of the contract and works too.
There are so many roads with no trees, where no resurfacing work has been done, and yet the council use the tree protests as a bloody convenient scapegoat for what hasn't been done.
All this talk of spurious targets, pinning the Council down on a number etc is a smoke screen for the real issue. Huge amounts spent trying to defeat any opposing voice, while failing to deliver in other areas.
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I've absolutely no faith that this pause represents a change of heart. Nothing in the press release suggests any change in attitude.
I suspect the press attention and looming elections are the main driver, but one hope is that the police may be getting cold feet.
The Independent Tree Panel should have been the solution years back. That it wasn't suggests deeper change may be the only solution.
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Yes agree with you there wholeheartedly JB.
The trees are a side issue - albeit a very very important one.
It's the same issue with the Peak/Derwent etc, people in "offices" managing cases to suit vested interest.
What's possibly worse, is other people going along with the "official message", possibly accepting it because it's easier. Who knows?
People (climbers) will moan about the loss of access to crags when that happens - in the way that others protest against the loss of trees (a voice that needs to be heard) - but there appears to be a reluctance to challenge the "establishment".
I apply that to things like debate surrounding the BMC too. It's always important that questions can be asked. That's the most important thing. In my opinion.
I've been somewhat bemused at the relative lack of response from the climbing community about this issue - one community of people fighting hard against the sort of issues we (climbers) often face in our world.
"Who wants the World" may be the name of a somewhat scratty Gibson E5 at Millstone, but I've always been struck by the powerful irony in the name.
Like the climb, the real issue remains hard, serious and neglected.
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:guilty:
This made the Grauniad
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/07/protesters-trying-to-save-sheffield-street-trees-avoid-jail
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Thanks for posting that :thumbsup:
There are various crowd funding initiatives to help raise enough money to cover legal costs.
I'll post up some links, unless anyone else can.
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Fairly stunned to read this, seems absurdly harsh
Last year another protester, Calvin Payne, was found to have breached an injunction not to enter a “safety zone” around trees earmarked for the chop, and to have incited others on Facebook to follow his lead. He was given a suspended sentence and told to pay the council’s £16,000 legal costs,
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The council deliberately employed a very high priced QC so that costs will be high. They've consistently used tactics to scare the protestors.
To the best of my knowledge the council have not yet coughed up for the costs awarded against them for their failed attempt to have a Green councillor convicted of the same.
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Hi Will.
It won't do to have the public expressing dissent and causing trouble on the streets. It's important to show them who's boss afterall.
Here's the link to the legal fund crowdfunder page:
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/sheffield-street-trees-legal-fund-2018-3
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An article from my local newspaper (or what was) of what a local resident is doing to highlight tree felling. I wasn't even aware of trees disappearing as a problem locally.
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/northampton-campaigner-replaces-spots-where-former-trees-once-stood-with-her-own-creations-1-8567298
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Hi Folks.
A couple of things to highlight about the tree campaign - and importantly also relevant to governance/democracy at Sheffield City Council.
First of all, news about the selling off of the PFI contract:
Amey plc have sold the Sheffield Streets Ahead PFI contract
https://greenworld.org.uk/article/exclusive-amey-sells-its-pfi-stakes-sheffield
More importantly, there is a campaign to change the way that the Council is run.
Currently, SCC (I'm pretty sure, the only Council still to do so) uses the "Strong Leader" model for decision making. The It's Our City campaign has been launched in the hope of securing a referendum for a vote on whether the Council should move to the Committee style of decision making process.
https://www.itsoursheffield.co.uk/
Please sign the petition if you're A Sheffield resident who would like to support this change:
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sheffield-peoples-petition
In a nutshell, currently only 9 of the 84 Sheffield Councillors make decisions in the city. A move away from this "Strong Leader" model to a modern "Committee" based model would allow all 84 Councillors of all parties to contribute to, and scrutinise all the decisions.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7916/47317060992_ee3dcd6662_h.jpg)
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NB. The petition is live, but for some reason will only open in one of four browsers on my phone. PC may be better.
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Just caught this on the wireless... docu drama on Sheffield trees:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00066yq
On catchy-upy soon hopefully
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Thanks Steveri. :thumbsup:
My post seemed to get replaced by yours at the same time!