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Title: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 04, 2014, 08:46:08 pm
I've always kept an eye on the 'One for the runners' thread and over the years have been idly (read very idly) wanting to get involved with fell running. Now I'm mobile, I'm ultra keen to begin but a little bit unsure of how to proceed. I think my navigation skills will be rusty since the school days of trekking around Snowdonia and The Lake District so that's clearly one issue to solve. No shortage of ML friends who I'm sure can help with that bit.

Gear. I'd like to be running in Snowdonia and in The Lake District which clearly is a mix of rock and mud. Are there any recommendations people have for a go-to pair of shoes for this. Am I correct in thinking something along the lines of Walsh or Innov8 are the people to go to? I've read the FRA spiel on equipment that must be carried, experience required for races etc but how do I start the ball rolling?

Lastly, I am fairly fit and run a few early mornings a week. I would love to be in a position to enter something like the Langdale Horseshoe on October 11th (day before 31st birthday). How realistic a goal might this be? I know there are checkpoint cutoff times but have little idea whether I could make them.

If I sound all at sea with this, I am! Thanks.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on August 04, 2014, 09:09:17 pm
No idea about the Langdale horseshoe as I've never done it but......

Every fell run I've done there have always been people slower than me and I'm no mountain goat. My tactic is normally a fast walk up the steep bits and run the flats and downs. Things that will help:

1. Get some hills in your legs. Steep climbs sap your thighs and make it hard to run the easy bits, which is demoralising.
2. Get decent shoes you're confident in. A "positive attitude" on the decents can gain you a few places and having shoes you trust make a difference.
3. Know he route or make sure you can navigate on the hoof. Getting lost kills morale (and time) and dithering on route choice is a mug's game.

On the shoe front I wear Inov8 Talon 212s. Fit like a glove but not as good grip as my old Mudclaws (but they fit better). Bear on mind Walsh and Inov8 have a totally different fit. Also look at La Sportiva and Salomon (too much sole for me but plenty like them).


And finally, just give it a go. Fell runners are a friendly bunch, be prepared to be beaten by some proper old duffers and I very much doubt you'll be last!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 04, 2014, 09:16:44 pm
OK, lets start with the running shoes. Innov8 have pretty much cornered the market in good fell shoes since they started about 8 or 10 years ago. If (and when) you end up at a race, probably well over half the field will be in them. However, thats not to say that they will suit you.

Like rock shoes, some will feel great on, and others will literally cripple you. I can't get on with Innov8's at all, and I have tried to like them. I currently run in a mixture of Asics Fuji Fell and Fuji Trail race shoes, or for really muddy/rocky runs, a Pair of LaSportiva Anakonda's.

By far and away the best thing to do is to get down to a shop and try some on. If you are in Sheffield then I would strongly recommend Front Runner opposite the Lescar, or Accelerate in Attercliffe. Two of the best staffed running shops I have been to; be honest with the sort of running and distance you are doing and you will definitely come out with the right pair.

In terms of races, there are still a few of the Gritsone series in the Peak which are well worth doing. Also look on the fell runner.org.uk site as there are races pretty much every day over the summer (for example, its Bradwell tomorrow night and then Cracken Edge on Wednesday night). If you are reasonably fit then just turn up and pay on the day and see how you get on. You won't come last if you are running regularly already. Racing also prepares you to run at a pace that you probably would never run at normally, i.e. with your lungs out and the verge of being sick.

FRA regulations; they've been tightened significantly in the last year when a gentleman died in the Lakes on a race due to slightly errant tracking of who was on the course and not through race numbers being checked in and out, it wasn't apparent that he was out there for some while. This is also why they insist for longer races that you carry full kit, i.e. waterproof jacket, trousers, compass, whistle etc. I've even witnessed people being disqualified on a six hour winter crossing of the Dark Peak just for not having their race number on their vest properly (really).

Shorter races don't insist on full kit though, plus if the weather is good and its an evening race then they tend to just let you run in your race kit, i.e. short and vest.

Last thing which has helped me a lot is to join a local running club. Its a good way to get regular training runs in, do route recce's with someone of an equal standard and just a bit of local rivalry if nothing else. I am in Totley AC (other clubs are available).

Oh, and in terms of Langdale Horseshoe, that sounds more than manageable. You will be doing lots of walking anyway on a route like that so be prepared for steep uphill leg burn and train by walking up and down the steepest hill you can find. Win Hill is always great for this purpose.

Best of luck and hopefully see you at a race soon!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on August 04, 2014, 10:12:01 pm
I concur pretty much what has been said above.

This is my first year doing fell races, and felt a little nervous at joining these men of steel. I really needn't have been. All the folks I have met are friendly and and are great bunch.

Most races, certainly the shorter ones, navigation just isn't a problem as you'll more than likely be following someone who knows where they are going or the course is marked or marshalled. The longer ones, perhaps like the Langdale you mentioned, may not be, so a recce is often the best way to know the territory. Pete Bland Sports produce route maps for the more established races, typically races in the Lakes.

As mentioned, have a look on the fellrunner.org.uk web pages for local races and get stuck in. The forum is useful too (not disimalar to UKB).

Most events are low key, and often to help raise money for local causes. cragx Crawl was my highlight so far - swap your race number for a pint at the village club afterwards. A well deserved beverage before 12 o'clock on a saturday morning - well worth it!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on August 04, 2014, 10:46:57 pm
+1 to all the above, especially recce runs for longer races.  Most short races you can follow people and are well marshaled but the longer runs are so much easier if you know where you are going and don't have to look at a map.

As others have said shoe wise find something that feels comfy and fits you well and expensive isn't always best, my shoe of choice at the moment is the addidas kanadia, probably one of the cheapest trail shoes but they've seen me through races in summer and winter and saw me through an ultra marathon and are still going strong.

As the boy scouts say, be prepared, especially in the winter, I got caught out this winter once when I forgot to take my gloves out on a training run and then the sun turned to heavy rain and hail.  I got back to my car and couldn't unlock it as my hands were too cold, fortunately there was someone else in the car park who helped me out!

Waterproofs are generally covered by the OMM kamleika, Montane minimus or inov8 raceshell 220 or 150 stormshell.  I'm sure they all have taped seams so meet FRA rules.  When I was researching which one they all seemed to get good reviews and the occasional bad one and generally about the same price ish.  So it just came down to which fits best and whether you want a jacket or smock.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 04, 2014, 10:52:55 pm
As above really. Just get out there. Go for a run. Sometimes I plan a route, sometimes not. It's nice to get in something circular which is a reason to plan but as long as you can end up where you started, you're fine. Find a hill and go straight up it; avoid boring bits of paths by exiting left; tramp across some moors - it's all good leg training.

Work on some nav on training runs if you get a chance. Plan a route and try to stick to it. Run an unplanned route and then try to work out what you did afterwards using the map. I've never seen anyone nav on shorter races, but I've seen people go the wrong way. On longer races, you might actually need to nav a bit - but it's rarely particularly challenging. If you want to learn to nav, find a partner and enter the RAB MM in Sept. That'll learn you! But frankly, nav isn't a biggie on fell races.*

Full waterproofs. Yes, well, the FRA are wankers. Possibly. Or just a bit cautious. Either way, that's the rules now, so either 1) invest in some super-awesome super-light waterproofs, a set of which will cost you £300 or 2) invest in some super-light waterproofs from Aldi/gooutdoors, a set of which will cost you £15. Either way, I recommend buying the latter to start off with. If you want to know how much respect people have for that particular FRA rule, bear in mind that I have a friend who bought waterproofs in child sizes because they were cheaper. They can't actually fit them on but don't plan too anyway. Mine have never been out their bags. Think what you will of the rule, they normally get treated as emergency kit. So go cheap. If you end up doing something extreme or ultra-distance or perhaps just the OMM, you might want to invest in something stupidly expensive. But don't bother for now.

Shoes: Go for something with decent sized lugs. But make sure they fit you and you are comfortable in them. Currently my only full-sized lugs are on my MoreMile Cheviots - cheap, very wide, and a bit shit, but very cheap. Then I have some Haglofs with the Asics fell racer sole on. Medium sized lugs. Then I have some Berghaus vapor claws with slightly smaller medium lugs a bit too close together but good for summer distance. Then I have New Balance Leadvilles which are an ultra trail shoe that I don't mind taking off trail occasionally. I also have 3 other pairs of running shoes, but they're not very interesting.
The 4 pairs that I list all have their uses, on different runs and in different conditions. And having lots of pairs doesn't matter since they'll all get worn out eventually and it means I always have a spare dry pair. But lots of people find one pair they love and use it for everything. Salomon Speedcross are a good bet for that ticket, with decent lugs. Or inov8s. But the most experience fell runner / elite MMer I've run with does everything in a pair of Brooks Cascadia. He reckons you don't need big lugs if your technique is good enough. Just try some shoes on and try some shoes out.

Best advice: ignore all the advice, get out running wherever, whenever, wearing whatever and just enter some short fell races for shits. You'll have fun. And put your entry in for the Langdale horseshoe now. It'll get you motivated.

P.s. Don't worry if you have to walk lots. Or if you fall over lots. Or if it hurts lots. This all adds to the fun.

*True, but don't consider me liable if you do get lost and die of hypothermia.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 04, 2014, 11:15:38 pm

Yes, well, the FRA are wankers. Possibly. Or just a bit cautious.
:)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 05, 2014, 09:19:47 am
Thanks very much indeed to all contributors. Plenty to digest there and I'm eager to get out! On the cheap waterproof front, I have seen those sorts of things in Aldi before. I'm not sure if they always have them in store but that's good beta - I'll start at the bottom end.

Doubtless some further questions will arise but big props again folks.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on August 05, 2014, 10:00:55 am
Loving this thread, I'm getting urges to break out of the habit of running around Graves park, after all the peak is on my doorstep. Cheers guys!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Falling Down on August 05, 2014, 10:50:26 am
The full waterproof thing has been in place for years, certainly since I was running for Dark Peak FR in the early 90's.  I just had a very thin pair of pertex overtrews and a pertex top.

I don't know whether things have changed but waterproofs were too stiff,, heavy and too warm to run in.  I think I only wore a GoreTex top once on the Derwent Watershed.  A belly hansen with a t-shirt over the top and gloves saw me through most winters with a pertex top in the bumbag or around the waist for when it was really wet and windy.  I always kept  a placcy survival bag in the bumbag but never had to use it.  A whistle is a good idea too.

Fell Running is a wonderful thing... Nothing beats being out on the tops in all weathers getting a bit lost and running long distances with a pint afterwards.  Joining a club adds to the fun. Doing ten miles across Bleaklow in the middle of winter wearing a head torch with others on Wednesday night when everyone else is curled up in front of the Tele or at the climbing wall feels like a real adventure.

It gave me loads of confidence in the hills.. Knowing that you could run/walk for ten hours with a sandwich, some raisins, water, a map and compass. 

Just get out there with a good pair of studded shoes and enjoy - you'll love it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 05, 2014, 11:03:34 am
Last thing which has helped me a lot is to join a local running club. Its a good way to get regular training runs in, do route recce's with someone of an equal standard and just a bit of local rivalry if nothing else. I am in Totley AC (other clubs are available).

I'd second this one - after spending most of my life living in the Peak and South Lakes, I've only discovered fell running since moving to the flatlands of York, all off the back of joining a running club with a small core of active fell runners. It's a year since my first race and I'm totally hooked - I usually race every 2-3 weeks with the majority up in the NY Moors.

My first few races were a bit of a shock to the system, so I'd recommend getting a couple under your belt before Langdale. I certainly found my descending technique was my biggest failing, but it comes on pretty quickly. I tend to recce most races beforehand, largely to get to know the descents, although it also doubles as a good training run.

I can't add much to the kit suggestions above - I'm one of those people that does fit Inov8s, so have a pair of Mudclaws (big lugs) for winter and often use trail shoes for the summer. Ideally I'd have a pair of medium lugs to give me another option, but waiting for someone to sell off last season's colours.

I generally carry full (or close to full) kit at most races/training runs unless it's really short (<5 miles). I'll occasionally ditch waterproof trousers or swap them for windproofs for the summer. When it comes down to it, they weigh nothing and they aren't the difference between winning and losing for most. Maybe I'm being super-cautious, but I've seen how the weather can change in the moors and I'd rather be safe than sorry!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 05, 2014, 11:08:46 am

Loving this thread, I'm getting urges to break out of the habit of running around Graves park, after all the peak is on my doorstep. Cheers guys!
There is so much good running in the Peak that you'll never get bored of it. Having lived in Hathersage now for over two years I'm still finding new sections of trail from my doorstep. And, it is a great way of keeping the weight off for climbing too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on August 05, 2014, 11:21:34 am
The full waterproof thing has been in place for years, certainly since I was running for Dark Peak FR in the early 90's.  I just had a very thin pair of pertex overtrews and a pertex top.

I don't know whether things have changed but waterproofs were too stiff,, heavy and too warm to run in. 

The more expensive waterproofs tend to be pertex now.  I think someone mentioned on the FRA forum that they had a bit of trouble with a race official once about if the pertex top counted as waterproof but they are sold as waterproofs with taped seams which is what it says in the rules.  I've got the invo8 220 (95 sheets from wiggle) and love it, I've always found it pretty breathable but I've only used it when at training so never in anger in a race.  I got a cheap pair of trousers from gooutdoors which roll up small and are lightweight but I've never used them.

I generally carry full (or close to full) kit at most races/training runs unless it's really short (<5 miles). I'll occasionally ditch waterproof trousers or swap them for windproofs for the summer. When it comes down to it, they weigh nothing and they aren't the difference between winning and losing for most. Maybe I'm being super-cautious, but I've seen how the weather can change in the moors and I'd rather be safe than sorry!

Yeah that's my attitude, a friend was doing the trigger race in January, he sprained his ankle and fell through an icy puddle and was glad he had his waterproofs to put on to walk back to the checkpoint
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 05, 2014, 11:28:10 am
Pertex Shield seems to be the way most jackets are going at the moment, properly waterproof and breathable. I run in a Montane smock and it's great but wouldn't advocate shelling out on one unless you are getting moderately serious as not cheap.

The Trigger race (Marsden to Edale) is probably the toughest race I've done so far and one where the full kit list of hat gloves and waterproofs aren't a luxury. Well worth doing though as a proper crossing of big hills in winter with almost no Tarmac is an experience. 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 05, 2014, 11:46:10 am
The full waterproof thing has been in place for years, certainly since I was running for Dark Peak FR in the early 90's.  I just had a very thin pair of pertex overtrews and a pertex top.

I don't know whether things have changed but waterproofs were too stiff,, heavy and too warm to run in. 

The more expensive waterproofs tend to be pertex now.  I think someone mentioned on the FRA forum that they had a bit of trouble with a race official once about if the pertex top counted as waterproof but they are sold as waterproofs with taped seams which is what it says in the rules.

Waterproof rules in various places have repeatedly stated NO PERTEX. This is because the material generally referred to as Pertex is merely water resistant. However, Pertex are a brand and also produce waterproof materials i.e. shield and shield+. Because of the association with water resistance, people can get arsey about the Pertex label. To be fair, some people would also suggest putting 'not very' in front of Pertex claims, i.e. not very water resistant, not very waterproof - so perhaps that provides a second reason? No experience of them myself. I've never needed more than a water resistant top so far for actually running in. I'm naturally warm though (i.e. fat).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on August 05, 2014, 01:16:04 pm
I'm in for the Langdale Horseshoe this year Mono. Did it last year. It's a belter. Ultra classic. The walk up to the top of Pavey Ark is a killer. Nav can be tricky towards the end as the field strings out, so relying on following the person in front isn't a good idea as you could easily end up following someone down Little Langdale. Big oops. Definitely worth a recce first.

I don't know what the checkpoint time outs are for this race. It's half marathon distance and based on my time last year I reckon take your flat road half marathon time and double it. That should give you an idea of a Langdale Horseshoe time.

Just checked out the entry list. Looks like there's more vet 50s and above than anything else. Love it.

I'll talk kit later when I have more time.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 05, 2014, 01:27:03 pm
Quick check on FRA website for results: the record for L.Horseshoe is just under 2 hours. In 2011 343 runners entered and times ranged from 2:09 to 5:09. The median time was 3:19. A nice first goal perhaps?

This means that 15 minute splits would have you doing fine. The take-home message from that is to train for ascent and descent. You'll be going up and down 1500m.

For interest, you might want to go here http://www.dpfr.org.uk/tracks/view (http://www.dpfr.org.uk/tracks/view) and tick the 8 Langdale tracks. These are gpx tracks recorded by runners during the event. According to the different gpx files, the shortest route was 19.5k and the longest 20.2k. The purpose of this tool is presumably to check out the route and to see where people are saving time. Of course, a longer route is often better if it's flatter! This is fairly advanced/witchcraft as far as route planning goes, mainly because the ascent/descent figures on GPS are fairly shit, so don't really tell you anything. But it might interest you to see the routes overlaid on google earth anyway. At the end of the day, I'm sure you'll just follow the rest!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 05, 2014, 06:27:01 pm
Thanks again all. Plattsy, if you do see me carked out on the floor, could you just tell my mum you found me a bit further along than the first mile. That's how I'd like to be remembered.

Did an Aldi/Millets/Cotswold raid after work. All the cheapo packaway jackets were basically binbags and likely not suitable for running in. As a (currently skint) punter, I'd be psyched to pick up something accepted by the race organisers for as cheap as possible. Same goes with pants too if anybody knows of any. Cheap lightweight performance jackets clearly aren't found for a quid I can appreciate.

My only final reservation about the Langdale event is that it appears some
demonstrable race experience is required. I'll basically have none and don't want to bother registering/psyching up if I have to drive all that way to be turned away.

As a last ask, I know it's probably not a one size fits all recipe but if I was to begin training tomorrow for said event, where could I look for some structured training plans? I'd like to give myself as much preparation as is practicable.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Will Hunt on August 05, 2014, 07:14:25 pm
Is there any way to develop running fitness and form without fucking my knees up? This has happened before and it was ugly (haven't really run since, still not sure if they've mended properly). Not really keen on running on tarmac and am sure that overdoing it on the road was the cause of injury last time I tried running.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 05, 2014, 07:33:27 pm
Did an Aldi/Millets/Cotswold raid after work. All the cheapo packaway jackets were basically binbags and likely not suitable for running in. As a (currently skint) punter, I'd be psyched to pick up something accepted by the race organisers for as cheap as possible. Same goes with pants too if anybody knows of any. Cheap lightweight performance jackets clearly aren't found for a quid I can appreciate.

My only final reservation about the Langdale event is that it appears some
demonstrable race experience is required. I'll basically have none and don't want to bother registering/psyching up if I have to drive all that way to be turned away.

As a last ask, I know it's probably not a one size fits all recipe but if I was to begin training tomorrow for said event, where could I look for some structured training plans? I'd like to give myself as much preparation as is practicable.

Cheap packable waterproofs aren't really suitable for running in. They just sit in the bottom of my bag in case of emergency. I also have a tiny survival bag. If I want something to actually run in, I take a water resistant jacket (~£10)(http://www.startfitness.co.uk/mens/clothing/jackets-gillets.html?dir=asc&order=price (http://www.startfitness.co.uk/mens/clothing/jackets-gillets.html?dir=asc&order=price)). Occasionally a hooded one of these is handy, but a water resistant jacket, base layer top, buff, hood, lycra leggings, shorts, long socks and gloves will keep you more than warm enough 99% of the time when running. If you get conditions worse than that in October, then I'll be impressed. On the few occasions I've run in conditions where I actually do need a decent waterproof (i.e. sub-zero temps, horizontal sleet in stupid winds), then I wear a proper fucking waterproof, not an ultralight flimsy running one for £120+ that needs regular proofing and wears out quickly, or the instant it catches on a rock.
If money was no object, I'd spend £300 on running waterproofs. But you don't need them.

As long as you can do a couple of fell races before the event, which you should, I'm sure you'll be fine. They're extremely unlikely to prevent you running on those grounds. They put in warnings and disclaimers to discourage total numpties. Just remember you are solely responsible for your own safety. If you are happy on those hills in those conditions, then there's no problem.

Can't help too much with structured training plans I'm afraid. There's loads online for half marathons though. If you take one of those and do the training runs on appropriate terrain, that'd probably work. But perhaps think about doing some hill repeats. Or just make runs as hilly as possible. Squats don't do any harm either. If you're worried about injuries, you can do a certain amount of cross-training on bikes, just make sure that the majority of your training is actual runnning.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 05, 2014, 07:35:59 pm
Is there any way to develop running fitness and form without fucking my knees up? This has happened before and it was ugly (haven't really run since, still not sure if they've mended properly). Not really keen on running on tarmac and am sure that overdoing it on the road was the cause of injury last time I tried running.

Avoid tarmac, take it slow downhill, do some appropriate leg strengthening exercises, i.e. squats then plyometric squats, and do some of your training on bikes (and/or cross-trainers/uphill steppers etc at gym).

I have dealt with injuries by doing some uphill running on treadmills - fairly low impact - but treadmills can cause injuries.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on August 05, 2014, 09:13:13 pm
Just enter some races and get out there. And enjoy!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 05, 2014, 09:18:46 pm
Is there any way to develop running fitness and form without fucking my knees up? This has happened before and it was ugly (haven't really run since, still not sure if they've mended properly). Not really keen on running on tarmac and am sure that overdoing it on the road was the cause of injury last time I tried running.
Getting the right shoes makes a huge difference to risk of knee injury depending on if you pronate or are a neutral runner. Also don't go for something with too little a heel to toe drop, low drop tend to have less cushioning and also will make your foot plant on the ground in an unfamiliar way. Finally, build up your miles slowly, suddenly jumping from short runs a couple of times a week to running most days is a sure fire way of picking up niggles in your knees.

Plus, as you've said and others too, stay off tarmac and on trails, the uneven nature of the surface actually helps promote knee stability and the slightly slower pace and softer surface helps a lot too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 05, 2014, 09:22:01 pm
Just back from Bradwell race this evening, great route though the climb up on to Shatton edge is really tough going especially after the sprint start through the village.

Its not often too that you have a climbing legend acting as sweeper, a very tanned looking Big Ron was there following the pack round. Great! :clap2:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on August 05, 2014, 09:35:33 pm
Just enter some races and get out there. And enjoy!

Ditto - there aint no better training than racing!!

But, if there aren't too many races you can enter, here's in very simple terms what I'd base my training on. I'm 42, been running for couple of years with some running for fitness last done when I was twenty or so, so this suits me - some runners would be much more intense and drop in easy runs in between.

Tuesdays - Some kind of interval training. Largely hill reps, steep enough that you need to work hard but not too steep that you need to walk it. Vary these between longer 400m or so and steeper 100m sections. Probably start of with 6 reps and build up over the weeks. Mix this in with an occasional flatter circuit (road, canal reservoir circuit for example) doing 1km sections at a pace just quicker than 'race pace', rest for 250m and repeat. Good for injecting some speed into the legs.

Thursdays - Something like a 6 mile run, at a good steady trot, fell or trail type terrain with mixed hills. Keep the routes mixed and varied to avoid boredom.

Saturday - Long run. For the Langdales, I'd be looking at building up over the coming weeks to doing a 14 miler a couple of weeks before the event. Slow and steady, a good time to practice any navigation skills. Runs to enjoy and recover.

All of above off road (unless stated).

Sunday - Bike.

Again, only a basic overview of what I can fit in and my current fitness level, but might give you some ideas. I don't always stick to it, I tend to listen to what my body tells me a lot of the time.

Check out Trail Running magazine. Most likely some advice in each magazine, along with kit ideas on the budget.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on August 05, 2014, 09:58:31 pm
I'll start of with this.
http://fellrunner.org.uk/pdf/FRA_Hypothermia.pdf (http://fellrunner.org.uk/pdf/FRA_Hypothermia.pdf)
I think the photo on the front from the 2007 Edale Skyline says it all. Things can get pretty serious weather wise.

I got mild to moderate hypotermia running the Mickledon Straddle last year. I knew the route well and conditions seemed alright. I had a pertex windproof jacket. It's amazing just how different the conditions can be when you gain height. It wasn't proper grim but it was bad enough to start with the umbles. Luckily I didn't require the Woodhead MRT to help me any more than give me a lovely Sainsbury's taste the difference triple chocolate cookie. Lesson learnt.

Waterproofs - I have the Montane Minimus jacket and OMM Kaleiko trousers. I've ran in the jacket for 6 hours and the only annoying thing was the puddle that formed in my elbows from water collecting through the cuffs. It's light and waterproof and although can feel like a placky bag at times it's better than the alternative. The OMM trousers are great for quickly slipping on and off and provide a lot of warmth as well as being waterproof. When you are absolutely knackered being able to keep warm is very important. FRA rules state jackets should have a hood. They do a proper check at Langdale and not having a hood could easily mean you don't start. I've started races in full waterproof gear and seen many others do the same too. The gear might be a lot of money but it's designed to be run in. Not sure I'd want to run and great distance in my walking waterproofs. Go try them all on and see what you think.

Shoes - Never tried Walshes. They're low profile and have good studs so if they fit your feet they'll be great. I have Innov8 Mudclaw 330s. Pretty comfy and good studs. Ideal for wet/steep mud, grass and rock. Can't go wrong but certainly not cheap. Also got Salomon FellRaiser. These are probably great on Alpine gravel paths but less so on wet mud, grass and rock. Quite scary how they slide and then grip on wet gritstone. I've renamed mine TrailRaiser and leave them for trails. Again lots to choose from. If you're running in the peat bogs of the Peak something with long studs and plenty of space between them is best to help evacuate the mud. In the Lakes on gravel and scree you might be alright with something less aggressive. Comfort is important and go to a shop with one of those inclines particularly to test running downhill. Don't want to be jamming toes into the end of the shoes. I go a full size up in fell shoes.

Socks - If it's cold and wet. Merino wool socks. These will keep your feet warm when wet but they do have a limit. 30 mins trotting through a Scottish bog was their limit for me. For something like The Trigger quite a few folk wear seal skins socks.

Gloves - In Winter some folk wear big waterproof ski gloves like Big Ron. Too hot for me. I have normal running gloves and if it's really wet I have some gore-tex shell mitts to put over the top. Falling over and getting soaking wet gloves in the middle of Winter isn't fun.

Headgear - Buffs are great or a thin "warm-day" ski hat.

Lots of equipment chat here.
http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/forumdisplay.php?6-Equipment (http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/forumdisplay.php?6-Equipment)

Regarding the Langdale Horseshoe I'm not sure how they will determine race experience. The Edale Skyline ask for results from two AL races from the last 2 years and so can check online and verify experience but the same request doesn't appear on the Ambleside AC website. Perhaps the kit check marshalls will ask a probing question or two.

Training wise I would get to a local fell race as soon as possible to get a feel for it. If then you're still keen as then I'd suggest you find the biggest local hill and fall in love with running/walking to the top many, many times over.

You will twist your ankles at some point.
You will get beaten by a some gnarly old dude and potentially dudette.
You will have some great senses of achievement.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 06, 2014, 04:25:18 pm
A goldmine of amazing information as always. Huge thanks again UKBers! All being well, I'll be registering this week and training starts at 6am tomorrow.

Keen to hear tales/see pictures from all of your adventures.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 06, 2014, 04:28:47 pm
"My wife hurt herself on an fitness holiday in the Lake District"
"Fell Running?"
"Yes, I told her to be more careful"

Very Very sorry.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 06, 2014, 06:03:12 pm
Quote from: Monolith link=topic=24552.msg455358#msg455 :ras:358 date=1407338718
A goldmine of amazing information as always. Huge thanks again UKBers! All being well, I'll be registering this week and training starts at 6am tomorrow.

Keen to hear tales/see pictures from all of your adventures.
You could put yourself down for the Totley Exterminator in about a months time, be a good bench mark for you towards Langdale, plus if your lucky I'll be marshalling so can heckle at a suitably difficult moment. Plattsy might even be racing too! Here's the race details

http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm (http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on August 06, 2014, 08:13:15 pm
Keen to hear tales/see pictures from all of your adventures.

I you want some pics, you could have a browse at these. I was signed up to do Coniston (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32044606@N03/sets/72157644472153186/) but my achilles had other ideas  :no: so instead I went up for a walk and watch the pro's in action (it was the second round of the English Championships) and get some snaps. Might give a feel for the usual procession of runners at the start of the first climb. It doesn't take long for them all to thin out! It's impressive to see how quickly these guys descend - no sooner do you see the first spots coming over the top of The Old Man and they are down on the lower slopes steaming past. Certainly a skill to learn!

I also toke some of these of the first Peak Skyrace  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32044606@N03/sets/72157645740579949/) last weekend. Its a 30 miler from Buxton over the Roaches and back round via few other trig points, with around 2000m of ascent. Bugger that for a game of soldiers!!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on August 06, 2014, 09:54:39 pm
Can't decide whether this is YYFY or NNFN,

So, as the most relevant thread ATM  to my outdoor life here goes..

Just spent 3 days house bound with acute on chronic back pain.. And being vastly impressed by the local ( but regionally well appreciated) chiropractor.. I'm more pysched to get out running than punter bouldering or DH MTB, in a country with no chair lifts.. SOOO hoping to run as soon as I can.. This thread is pure UKB class.. Thanks for the inspiration everyone!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on August 06, 2014, 10:31:10 pm
Quote from: Monolith link=topic=24552.msg455358#msg455 :ras:358 date=1407338718
A goldmine of amazing information as always. Huge thanks again UKBers! All being well, I'll be registering this week and training starts at 6am tomorrow.

Keen to hear tales/see pictures from all of your adventures.
You could put yourself down for the Totley Exterminator in about a months time, be a good bench mark for you towards Langdale, plus if your lucky I'll be marshalling so can heckle at a suitably difficult moment. Plattsy might even be racing too! Here's the race details

http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm (http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm)

Yeah the Exterminator is a great race, well worth doing.  I think plattsy said he was going to be keeping the bar in the cricket inn company this year....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Duma on August 06, 2014, 11:01:40 pm
Some of those sky race pics are lovely mini, really like this one:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/32044606@N03/14839632693/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 06, 2014, 11:18:41 pm
Some cracking shots there. The guy at the front in this one was the series winner in the NY Moors series over last winter (Jayson Cavill) - I think he ended up winning the Peak Sky Race in the end.

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/32044606@N03/14633815170/

Just back from this week's instalment of the Moors summer series - narrowly missed out on my first win after 5 or 6 people in front of me made route choice errors, but got passed on the last descent and couldn't close down in the final km. Can't complain though, 2nd place and 2 more bottles of wine to add to the prize cupboard!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 07, 2014, 10:33:30 am
Keen to hear tales/see pictures from all of your adventures.

I you want some pics, you could have a browse at these. I was signed up to do Coniston (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32044606@N03/sets/72157644472153186/) but my achilles had other ideas  :no: so instead I went up for a walk and watch the pro's in action (it was the second round of the English Championships) and get some snaps. Might give a feel for the usual procession of runners at the start of the first climb. It doesn't take long for them all to thin out! It's impressive to see how quickly these guys descend - no sooner do you see the first spots coming over the top of The Old Man and they are down on the lower slopes steaming past. Certainly a skill to learn!

I also toke some of these of the first Peak Skyrace  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32044606@N03/sets/72157645740579949/) last weekend. Its a 30 miler from Buxton over the Roaches and back round via few other trig points, with around 2000m of ascent. Bugger that for a game of soldiers!!!

Some really nice shots there. I'm doing a similar race to the Skyrace this Saturday and am amused by looking at shots of rather fooked runners walking uphill in apparent excruciation. Oh dear. That's going to be me.

And habrich, you might be right about the weight gain, at least in people who aren't losing fat at the same time (I currently am). But I'm actually more motivated to push myself to run further, than to climb harder.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: nai on August 07, 2014, 11:43:34 am
You could put yourself down for the Totley Exterminator in about a months time, be a good bench mark for you towards Langdale, plus if your lucky I'll be marshalling so can heckle at a suitably difficult moment. Plattsy might even be racing too! Here's the race details

http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm (http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm)

A month away? Balls, that's snuck up as quickly as my running has tailed off, I'm still thinking it's ages away and I have loads of time like I'm back in April.  School holidays and a dry Cornice haven't helped the mileage at all.  Have it reccied as far as Stanage and back from Padley, just the fiddly middle bit if I can make it out.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on August 07, 2014, 12:33:54 pm
Probably a huge faux pas in terms of fell running... Apologies.. But this event has some killer running sections and minimal difficulty in relative terms obstacles. I was ill last year, so didn't run it. I've been told the 8km is much harder than most 10km events of this nature. I'm entering.

http://www.endurerevents.co.uk/endurer-dash-2014/ (http://www.endurerevents.co.uk/endurer-dash-2014/)

It's local to the peak.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 07, 2014, 08:06:50 pm
You could put yourself down for the Totley Exterminator in about a months time, be a good bench mark for you towards Langdale, plus if your lucky I'll be marshalling so can heckle at a suitably difficult moment. Plattsy might even be racing too! Here's the race details

http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm (http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm)

A month away? Balls, that's snuck up as quickly as my running has tailed off, I'm still thinking it's ages away and I have loads of time like I'm back in April.  School holidays and a dry Cornice haven't helped the mileage at all.  Have it reccied as far as Stanage and back from Padley, just the fiddly middle bit if I can make it out.
Exactly a month today! Best put some miles in and get the leg through Hathersage recce'd...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on August 07, 2014, 09:15:39 pm
And habrich, you they might be right about the weight gain, at least in people who aren't losing fat at the same time (I currently am). But I'm actually more motivated to push myself to run further, than to climb harder.
Not my opinion, but I think that podcast is full of interesting contrary stuff so I will probably keep posting the link to anything vaguely relevant. For the record, I think fell running is very impressive - though it is not for me.

My main observation about running generally is that there seem to be a lot of people my age with fucked knees ...

I hear you, being even older and starting running in a semi organised way  only 9 months ago. Very very much a case of slow progression, and as little Tarmac as you can. Once my body got over the shock of the intensity of the exercise.. It's  just  now a little easier, and very very addictive. I have to say, I'm no fell runner, just one of those darn obstacle course Luddites that loves a bit of training and then the over the top events of X runner, total warrior and hopefully tough mudder next year. I appreciate this is not fell running, but it's a rite larf for a noob!!

Sorry to pollute the thread with heresy, but I'd wager there a fair few runners on here that would have a good time at such events, I don't mean the clearly experienced and talented fell runners, but peeps like me that find the usual entry level 10km runs either boring or over structured. yet not fit enough to pure fell run... Yet...

I've learnt a shed load from this thread, no offence intended.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on August 07, 2014, 09:38:01 pm
Quote from: Monolith link=topic=24552.msg455358#msg455 :ras:358 date=1407338718
A goldmine of amazing information as always. Huge thanks again UKBers! All being well, I'll be registering this week and training starts at 6am tomorrow.

Keen to hear tales/see pictures from all of your adventures.
You could put yourself down for the Totley Exterminator in about a months time, be a good bench mark for you towards Langdale, plus if your lucky I'll be marshalling so can heckle at a suitably difficult moment. Plattsy might even be racing too! Here's the race details

http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm (http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm)

Yeah the Exterminator is a great race, well worth doing.  I think plattsy said he was going to be keeping the bar in the cricket inn company this year....

I'm baking cake for the snap table and might sink a couple of pints whilst the runners come in.

Fatdoc - if you can run 10km you'd be fine running a short summer evening fell race of around 4/5 miles. theTrunce is a good introductory race and its run 9 times through the Summer. plus it costs less than half a fuck all.
http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=2854 (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=2854)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 07, 2014, 10:28:46 pm
Had my first hill sprints session tonight after receiving details from a very keen running mate. It nearly ended me. Keen to go again though and keep moving onwards. Really appreciate all of the contributions in this thread thanks again all.

I'm on a shit screen smartphone but in the jacket stakes, I found this:

http://www.decathlon.co.uk/eliorain-running-jacket-id_8312454.html (http://www.decathlon.co.uk/eliorain-running-jacket-id_8312454.html)

Looks ok for the money and would do me as an about town jacket when the inevitable Mersey storm comes into town.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 07, 2014, 10:38:42 pm
Might see you after the marshalling the Plattsy depending on where I get posted.

In at the deep end too Monolith! Hill sprints aren't for the faint hearted.

Oh, and that jacket looks like a more than reasonable starting point, waterproof, hood, presumably taped seams too. Assuming it packs down reasonably small and it doesn't weigh the equivalent of a house bring it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on August 08, 2014, 11:48:33 am
Quote from: Monolith link=topic=24552.msg455358#msg455 :ras:358 date=1407338718
A goldmine of amazing information as always. Huge thanks again UKBers! All being well, I'll be registering this week and training starts at 6am tomorrow.

Keen to hear tales/see pictures from all of your adventures.
You could put yourself down for the Totley Exterminator in about a months time, be a good bench mark for you towards Langdale, plus if your lucky I'll be marshalling so can heckle at a suitably difficult moment. Plattsy might even be racing too! Here's the race details

http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm (http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm)

Yeah the Exterminator is a great race, well worth doing.  I think plattsy said he was going to be keeping the bar in the cricket inn company this year....

I'm baking cake for the snap table and might sink a couple of pints whilst the runners come in.

Fatdoc - if you can run 10km you'd be fine running a short summer evening fell race of around 4/5 miles. theTrunce is a good introductory race and its run 9 times through the Summer. plus it costs less than half a fuck all.
http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=2854 (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=2854)

Nice one
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: nai on August 08, 2014, 11:58:02 am
You could put yourself down for the Totley Exterminator in about a months time, be a good bench mark for you towards Langdale, plus if your lucky I'll be marshalling so can heckle at a suitably difficult moment. Plattsy might even be racing too! Here's the race details

http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm (http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm)

A month away? Balls, that's snuck up as quickly as my running has tailed off, I'm still thinking it's ages away and I have loads of time like I'm back in April.  School holidays and a dry Cornice haven't helped the mileage at all.  Have it reccied as far as Stanage and back from Padley, just the fiddly middle bit if I can make it out.
Exactly a month today! Best put some miles in and get the leg through Hathersage recce'd...

Turns out I can't do it now, Mrs has reluctantly accepted a late opportunity to speak at a conference that weekend.  On the basis of last night's run it's probably a good job.  Oh well, it's been fun reccying it, I've seen a lot of Blacka and Totley moor that I wouldn't have otherwise.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 08, 2014, 04:36:01 pm
Had my first hill sprints session tonight after receiving details from a very keen running mate. It nearly ended me. Keen to go again though and keep moving onwards. Really appreciate all of the contributions in this thread thanks again all.

I'm on a shit screen smartphone but in the jacket stakes, I found this:

http://www.decathlon.co.uk/eliorain-running-jacket-id_8312454.html (http://www.decathlon.co.uk/eliorain-running-jacket-id_8312454.html)

Looks ok for the money and would do me as an about town jacket when the inevitable Mersey storm comes into town.

Check for taped seams and check the fit. Won't be as light or breathable perhaps as the top money ones, but that doesn't matter so much as long as, as said above, it's not made of lead.

Their last 'fully waterproof' jacket (currently available half price) seemed pretty good apart from two large air vents on the back which you couldn't close. Didn't fancy trying to get it through a kit check. This one looks more sensible! (FWIW, I thought the vents were  a great idea, but they need zips!)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 08, 2014, 04:40:19 pm
Quote from: Monolith link=topic=24552.msg455358#msg455 :ras:358 date=1407338718
A goldmine of amazing information as always. Huge thanks again UKBers! All being well, I'll be registering this week and training starts at 6am tomorrow.

Keen to hear tales/see pictures from all of your adventures.
You could put yourself down for the Totley Exterminator in about a months time, be a good bench mark for you towards Langdale, plus if your lucky I'll be marshalling so can heckle at a suitably difficult moment. Plattsy might even be racing too! Here's the race details

http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm (http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm)

Yeah the Exterminator is a great race, well worth doing.  I think plattsy said he was going to be keeping the bar in the cricket inn company this year....

I'm baking cake for the snap table and might sink a couple of pints whilst the runners come in.

Fatdoc - if you can run 10km you'd be fine running a short summer evening fell race of around 4/5 miles. theTrunce is a good introductory race and its run 9 times through the Summer. plus it costs less than half a fuck all.
http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=2854 (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=2854)

Nice one on the baking. There's about 4 long races I want to do that weekend, but it's very close to my dissertation deadline so I don't think it's justifiable!

+1 regarding Fatdoc. If you can walk uphill and if you can run 10k, you can fell run. Get on with it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: duncan on August 08, 2014, 07:11:34 pm
You're all mad.


http://www.decathlon.co.uk/eliorain-running-jacket-id_8312454.html (http://www.decathlon.co.uk/eliorain-running-jacket-id_8312454.html)

Looks ok for the money and would do me as an about town jacket when the inevitable Mersey storm comes into town.
No weight given but £45 and £101.53/kg suggests about 440g.

If you're interested I have an Marmot Precip jacket, size medium, 350g, taped seams, pit zips,  in a fetching olive green. There is a tiny tear to the front (repaired) and a little delamination around the base of the hood. £10 donation to the Dorset Bolt Fund.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 09, 2014, 11:54:20 am
In at the deep end too Monolith! Hill sprints aren't for the faint hearted.

I realised this when I nearly passed out on the final rep. Luckily I live on the side of a big long hill so it's a short commute to the training ground. Can't wait to get a few of these sessions under my belt as they certainly seem to work you hard!

Duncan that's very kind of you. I will pm you now.

Loving those photos previously submitted!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 09, 2014, 06:40:30 pm
Great run from Hathersage up on to Win Hill, down Hope Brink to Hope Cross and down to Edale station for the train home. Just short of ten miles but a great route on mostly open countryside when you get up out the valley. Had planned to skirt round up to the east end of Kinder but decided to try and catch the earlier train. Don't often do point to point runs but they do open up a load more options. Might have to think of a few more.  :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on August 09, 2014, 06:46:19 pm
Anyone else looking to enter the UTLD 100/ 50 next year? How tight are TES on the 100 entries?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 09, 2014, 06:55:40 pm
Anyone else looking to enter the UTLD 100/ 50 next year? How tight are TES on the 100 entries?
Would love to be able to but too far for me. Probably set my sights on the Intro Ultra in the Peak next year to get myself used to going for that sort of distance and then look to step up if I think its manageable, as I've always been a runner who prefers shorter race (and by that I mean less than marathon distance).

Big respect though GCW if you go for it and get in :bow:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 09, 2014, 07:15:51 pm
Anyone else looking to enter the UTLD 100/ 50 next year? How tight are TES on the 100 entries?

Just completed my first ultra and hoping I might get up to a 50 or 60 next year. Does look pretty good.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on August 09, 2014, 08:49:15 pm
50 and a 66 mile this year. Want a go at the 100 in 2015. I'll give it a crack.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 09, 2014, 09:02:58 pm
50 and a 66 mile this year. Want a go at the 100 in 2015. I'll give it a crack.
Massive respect then. Can't imagine what it is like to run that far.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 09, 2014, 09:05:29 pm
50 and a 66 mile this year. Want a go at the 100 in 2015. I'll give it a crack.

Nice one. Hopefully I'm just a year behind you! If the ball keeps rolling I'd like to do a ~100m and the BGR in 2016. We shall see.

What were your 50 and 66?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on August 09, 2014, 10:28:43 pm
UTLD 50 and Three Rings of Shap. Both quite slow due to extraneous issues, hence the concern. Pretty sure I can do the 100 in the time.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on August 09, 2014, 10:35:43 pm

Just completed my first ultra and hoping I might get up to a 50 or 60 next year. Does look pretty good.

Full Tour of Bradwell?? Does look a good circuit of that's what you've just ticked. Might be tempted by the Half tour next year before taking on the long version.

Well done if so, good day for it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 10, 2014, 08:03:09 am

Just completed my first ultra and hoping I might get up to a 50 or 60 next year. Does look pretty good.

Full Tour of Bradwell?? Does look a good circuit of that's what you've just ticked. Might be tempted by the Half tour next year before taking on the long version.

Well done if so, good day for it.

That's the one. Pretty good route. Was a good day. If anything I'd have wanted it cooler. Had Somme fairly impressive salt deposits on my clothes by the end.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on August 10, 2014, 12:20:44 pm
Anyone else looking to enter the UTLD 100/ 50 next year? How tight are TES on the 100 entries?

I tempted by the 100, not sure if it will be next year or the year after.  I did the Ultra tour of the peak district this year and had a great time, I'm hoping that if I can do 60 it's just a matter of keep on moving.  I'm planning on doing the UTPD again next year to improve my time, I think it's being moved to August next year instead of June
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: nai on August 25, 2014, 08:40:55 pm
You could put yourself down for the Totley Exterminator in about a months time,

http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm (http://www.totleyac.org.uk/2014Series/exterminator.htm)
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Even though I can't do the race I decided to run the second half today, I say second half but I did it all from the stepping stones so basically about 80% of it. Not sure if you or the organisers are aware but there are works in the plantation by Higgar and the path across the valley is closed.  No problem as you can just nip up the Green Drive and onto Stanage via Apparent North, but could it be a problem come race day for the checkpoint at the Higgar stile?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 26, 2014, 09:32:22 pm
The weeks certainly feel like they're passing as if they were minutes!

Went up Snowdon on the weekend and ran as much downwards as was possible (obvious bank holiday queues). I'm really not sure if the horseshoe is going to be in the locker but I'm a stubborn idiot that would sooner bleed than fail.

On the equipment front, I've been offered a brand new OMM Cypher smock for a reasonable price and just wondered if anybody had any beta on sizing? I'm 6ft 2" with about a 40" chest. I hear they're 'athletically cut' but don't know whether a medium is too big or small since I have the option of buying either a medium or large one.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on August 26, 2014, 09:57:16 pm
The weeks certainly feel like they're passing as if they were minutes!

Went up Snowdon on the weekend and ran as much downwards as was possible (obvious bank holiday queues). I'm really not sure if the horseshoe is going to be in the locker but I'm a stubborn idiot that would sooner bleed than fail.

On the equipment front, I've been offered a brand new OMM Cypher smock for a reasonable price and just wondered if anybody had any beta on sizing? I'm 6ft 2" with about a 40" chest. I hear they're 'athletically cut' but don't know whether a medium is too big or small since I have the option of buying either a medium or large one.

Not a clue, but if it needs saying: the safe bet is the large.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 27, 2014, 10:57:49 am
based on your height alone I would be inclined to go for a large as OMM/Montane and the like do tend to go for slim cut; I am a medium in their range but only just and I am only 5ft9 and 38 chest. A quick search found me this http://www.outdoorgb.com/OMM_Size_Chart/ (http://www.outdoorgb.com/OMM_Size_Chart/) which tends to also suggest a large is best
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 27, 2014, 12:33:19 pm
Thanks chaps, that's perfect. I'm fairly long-bodied so looking like the large is a banker.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 27, 2014, 02:38:58 pm
Any of you Peak types doing the Shelf Moor race from Glossop next weekend (Sunday 7th, I think)? I'm tempted to put in an appearance and combine it with a family visit.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: nai on August 27, 2014, 08:41:54 pm
That's the same day as the Exterminator which has been discussed above, various folk will be missing it, running it, marshalling or running the cake stall

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 27, 2014, 09:09:32 pm
Yep that clashes with the Totley Exterminator and still expect to be marshalling in some capacity so won't make it. Plan on doing the Longshaw sheep dog fell race this Saturday morning though, a nice five mile loop round Burbage valley by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on August 27, 2014, 10:47:11 pm
Yep that clashes with the Totley Exterminator and still expect to be marshalling in some capacity so won't make it. Plan on doing the Longshaw sheep dog fell race this Saturday morning though, a nice five mile loop round Burbage valley by the looks of it.

I should be doing the Longshaw race to, as long as I can stay off the wine Friday night.  It was a good race last year
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 28, 2014, 03:38:05 pm
Looks like you're getting some good advice so I'll just add that if you fancy the trip over the Runcorn Bridge (saw your Straight Outa Cronton sig) you'd be welcome for a run on the hills with our lot on a Wednesday night - I'm with Helsby. Hill runs each week till the light goes then it thins out a bit and people switch to road or don the headtorches.

We just had a great race last week on Frodsham Hill, the Webster Wobbler http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/helsby-running-clubs-tribute-former-7682944 (http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/helsby-running-clubs-tribute-former-7682944)

Those little hills definitely punch above their weight, especially if you string em together into a Hills of Hell session (thanks Dave Douglas). Keep an eye on http://helsbyrunningclub.wordpress.com/ (http://helsbyrunningclub.wordpress.com/) or https://twitter.com/runhelsby (https://twitter.com/runhelsby) if you'll pardon the spam.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on August 29, 2014, 06:35:57 am
I'll be making an appearance at both Longshaw on Saturday and Shelf Moor next weekend - look out for a yellow with a green chest stripe Staffs' Moorland vest  :wave:

Need to get some short race experience in ready for the British Fell Relays later on in October. Are any of you guys in clubs doing that event? Looks like a good day out.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 29, 2014, 09:37:27 am
Looks like you're getting some good advice so I'll just add that if you fancy the trip over the Runcorn Bridge (saw your Straight Outa Cronton sig) you'd be welcome for a run on the hills with our lot on a Wednesday night - I'm with Helsby. Hill runs each week till the light goes then it thins out a bit and people switch to road or don the headtorches.

We just had a great race last week on Frodsham Hill, the Webster Wobbler http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/helsby-running-clubs-tribute-former-7682944 (http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/helsby-running-clubs-tribute-former-7682944)

Those little hills definitely punch above their weight, especially if you string em together into a Hills of Hell session (thanks Dave Douglas). Keep an eye on http://helsbyrunningclub.wordpress.com/ (http://helsbyrunningclub.wordpress.com/) or https://twitter.com/runhelsby (https://twitter.com/runhelsby) if you'll pardon the spam.

Steve that's brilliant thank you. I'll absolutely head along one evening soon and look forward to meeting you. I know Dave D too and what a running beast he is!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 29, 2014, 10:04:47 am
I'll be making an appearance at both Longshaw on Saturday and Shelf Moor next weekend - look out for a yellow with a green chest stripe Staffs' Moorland vest  :wave:

Need to get some short race experience in ready for the British Fell Relays later on in October. Are any of you guys in clubs doing that event? Looks like a good day out.

I'll look out for you at Shelf Moor - I'll be in the yellow and black squares of York Knavesmire.

We've got a couple of teams heading to the Fell Relays - first time our club has entered it that I'm aware of, they were mostly road runners until recently. I'm on the nav leg for the first team, so need to head up for a recce of the area in the next few weeks. Loads of relay events at the minute, as we've got the Northern road relays in a few weeks closely followed by the Nationals (if we qualify!).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 29, 2014, 11:12:51 am
I'll be making an appearance at both Longshaw on Saturday and Shelf Moor next weekend - look out for a yellow with a green chest stripe Staffs' Moorland vest  :wave:

Need to get some short race experience in ready for the British Fell Relays later on in October. Are any of you guys in clubs doing that event? Looks like a good day out.

May be at Shelf Moor and down for the Relays in October. The relays are an awesome event - a real friendly gathering of the best in the country ...and the rest of us. I've always done the nav leg (which isn't generally that hard [uh oh, hubris]) but might get bumped this year as we've had a few faster people join. Three teams this year so still deciding on the mix. Just been promoted to V50 so we may have enough for an old farts team. We've had some cracking days since my first one on the Clwyds in 2008.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 29, 2014, 11:22:50 am
Steve that's brilliant thank you. I'll absolutely head along one evening soon and look forward to meeting you. I know Dave D too and what a running beast he is!!

Cool, I'll be the tired looking fella front of mid pack with sideys. Dave runs with Delamere Spartans, another excellent group who'd be happy to have you along. A few of them and our lot having a jog round Anglesey this weekend, which is clearly bonkers http://www.ringofire.co.uk/ (http://www.ringofire.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on September 01, 2014, 12:32:11 pm
Well, I ticked Longshaw on Saturday, and despite Friday nights beer and wine had a surprisingly good run for me!

I must say however, I have never seen a St John's Ambulance so busy after a race. A friend who I car shared with has a suspected broken toe, another lady a badly sprained ankle and one guy with barely any skin left on either knee - and that's just whilst I was talking to my fellow runner. More were waiting for seats later on!! Luckily my tumble was injury free bare a couple of very tenderised thigh.

Wet conditions and narrow 'sheep trails' covered by long bracken made it a footfall lottery - the joys of fell running!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on September 01, 2014, 02:41:32 pm
Well, entry gone in this morning so let's see if I'm accepted. Gulp.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 01, 2014, 03:07:10 pm
Well, entry gone in this morning so let's see if I'm accepted. Gulp.
UTLD 100?  :bow:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on September 01, 2014, 03:08:25 pm
Yeah. You only live once.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on September 01, 2014, 03:40:33 pm
Yeah. You only live once.

Nice one.  I went to enter at lunch time to find that it was already full, it had only been open for 3 hours!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on September 01, 2014, 03:51:45 pm
I was sat online at 8:30.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: kelvin on September 01, 2014, 03:56:57 pm
Yeah. You only live once.

You only die once too.

I almost never recovered from 69 miles in one go and can't even contemplate how anyone can breeze through a 100 miles. Best of luck.

 :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 01, 2014, 03:57:10 pm
suspected broken toe, another lady a badly sprained ankle and one guy with barely any skin left on either knee

Sounds far far too dangerous for my liking.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on September 02, 2014, 06:56:21 am
Well, entry gone in this morning so let's see if I'm accepted. Gulp.
UTLD 100?  :bow:

Full respect  :bow: :bow:

Next year I'll be looking at doing some of the longer 'L' class races, but anything >30 miles and I'm asking why??

All the best to ya. At least you've got 40 hours to complete it, no problem eh??  :boxing:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on September 02, 2014, 07:06:40 am
Not sure about that!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on September 02, 2014, 09:03:31 am
Well, I ticked Longshaw on Saturday, and despite Friday nights beer and wine had a surprisingly good run for me!

I must say however, I have never seen a St John's Ambulance so busy after a race. A friend who I car shared with has a suspected broken toe, another lady a badly sprained ankle and one guy with barely any skin left on either knee - and that's just whilst I was talking to my fellow runner. More were waiting for seats later on!! Luckily my tumble was injury free bare a couple of very tenderised thigh.

Wet conditions and narrow 'sheep trails' covered by long bracken made it a footfall lottery - the joys of fell running!

Results are up http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525 (http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on September 02, 2014, 12:56:36 pm

Results are up http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525 (http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525)

All told, pretty chuffed with 26/162. Did you run in the end Chris?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 02, 2014, 01:01:49 pm

Results are up http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525 (http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525)

All told, pretty chuffed with 26/162. Did you run in the end Chris?
that's a great position mini, there are some really strong runners after you that I know so I would be overjoyed with both that place and time. I didn't end up running as went to the beach instead as needed to get my eye in ahead of a surfing week next week. Looking at the other results and runners I would have been lucky to finish top 50 though.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on September 02, 2014, 01:06:53 pm

Results are up http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525 (http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525)

All told, pretty chuffed with 26/162. Did you run in the end Chris?

I was 23rd so just in front.  The bit down from winyards nick was my worse bit, I'm really bad at going down hill and I often lose places.  Exterminator on Sunday!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on September 02, 2014, 01:27:02 pm
Good running guys. Perfect conditions. Nice and cool.

Came in 46th. Well chuffed with that and about 2minutes quicker than last year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on September 02, 2014, 01:35:55 pm
Results are up http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525 (http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525)
Anyone know if the Allen Williams in 19th is the one that wrote the original Peak Bouldering guide?

There seems to be a few handy fell runners that are/were also good climbers - I was thinking of Paul Cornforth from the Lakes who's usually well up there in the English championship races, but there's a few other Lakes names that crop up in the results.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on September 02, 2014, 01:45:28 pm
Results are up http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525 (http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525)
Anyone know if the Allen Williams in 19th is the one that wrote the original Peak Bouldering guide?

There seems to be a few handy fell runners that are/were also good climbers - I was thinking of Paul Cornforth from the Lakes who's usually well up there in the English championship races, but there's a few other Lakes names that crop up in the results.
Just behind mini at Longshaw was Tony Whitehouse who at 60 isn't shabby at either running or climbing.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 02, 2014, 02:08:37 pm
Results are up http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525 (http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525)
Anyone know if the Allen Williams in 19th is the one that wrote the original Peak Bouldering guide?

There seems to be a few handy fell runners that are/were also good climbers - I was thinking of Paul Cornforth from the Lakes who's usually well up there in the English championship races, but there's a few other Lakes names that crop up in the results.
Just behind mini at Longshaw was Tony Whitehouse who at 60 isn't shabby at either running or climbing.
Not sure if its the same Mick Fowler too in at 134th?

Unfortunately I count myself now as neither a handy fell runner or was/is ever any good at climbing...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on September 02, 2014, 03:28:54 pm

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Not sure if its the same Mick Fowler too in at 134th?

Pretty sure it was the same, saw him afterwards.

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I was 23rd so just in front.  The bit down from winyards nick was my worse bit, I'm really bad at going down hill and I often lose places.  Exterminator on Sunday!

24th  :wave:
Started to fast, burnt out in the second half, made up a few places at the end. Good luck in the Exterminator.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Turboman on September 02, 2014, 04:25:20 pm
I was feeling pretty pleased with 72nd until I saw this thread!
Still it was my second ever race.  Out of interest how often do you guys run/train?
I'm a once a week plodder at the moment but after a couple of fell races I'm getting the bug.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on September 02, 2014, 07:09:51 pm
Results are up http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525 (http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=2525)
Anyone know if the Allen Williams in 19th is the one that wrote the original Peak Bouldering guide?

It was. I chatted to him at the registration table before the race having not seen him in years. I'm amazed how many climbers I've bumped into this year at races that I haven't seen for so long. Still waiting to share a starting line with Mr Fawcett!

Chris20 and Brannock - good effort both, by my reckoning both of you passed me after the final road crossing! I was peggered at that point and had little left for the wee rise up the field to the finish.

Chris20, I'm just beginning to get more confidence on the down hills. I've found doing sets of 800m on a very slight down hill road section has worked on building leg turnover speed and definitely seems to be helping my down hill speed.

Turboman
- I'm typically doing three quality sessions a week, occasionally four, with at least one of these have been a race. I am quite psyched at the moment, but I wouldn't want to be doing much more than this for fear of injury (but that's just me). Plenty of dog walks in between seems to help recovery and keeping the legs moving and not stiffening up. I've found the races quite addictive, well done on 72nd for your second race ever, its a tricky course. Build up gently and enjoy.

Shelf Moor on Sunday y'all (Exterminators exempting)?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 03, 2014, 09:35:41 am
Good effort there folks!

If I may ask, for carrying the full approved FRA kit, is anybody aware if I'm likely to get it all in a 3l waist pouch such as the ones produced by OMM and Innov8? I saw the 6l OMM one with a bottle holder but like to travel as light as possible.

On the hydration front, is it possible to buy gels that fulfil both a carb/electrolyte function as well as hydrating one? I was thinking a few Capri Suns might pack away well into a small bumbag but I don't know. Perhaps taking a bottle is necessary/desirable for races over 12 miles?

The OMM cypher smock arrived this week which at a reduced price of 65 fuck alls I was pretty pleased with. Good to have in the sack for bouldering walk-ins too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on September 03, 2014, 10:23:47 am
Practice running/training with the gels. They don't agree with everyone and trying them out for the first time in a race could be disastrous. They no longer agree with me. I'll be running Langdale packing toasted bagels with marmalade and some snickers.

Some gels need water for consumption. Some don't. Some have caffeine. Some don't. They all taste rubbish.

I stick to normal food these days.

Hydration is horses for courses too. I'll be running Langdale with a ruck sack and hydration pack with 2 litres of Lucozade Sport. I'll finish it all too. Folk are surprised by this but I sweat a lot and will be cramping a little by the end.

I guess going for a 3/4 hour run on the fells would help you understand your hydration needs.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on September 03, 2014, 10:29:23 am
Good effort there folks!

If I may ask, for carrying the full approved FRA kit, is anybody aware if I'm likely to get it all in a 3l waist pouch such as the ones produced by OMM and Innov8? I saw the 6l OMM one with a bottle holder but like to travel as light as possible.

On the hydration front, is it possible to buy gels that fulfil both a carb/electrolyte function as well as hydrating one? I was thinking a few Capri Suns might pack away well into a small bumbag but I don't know. Perhaps taking a bottle is necessary/desirable for races over 12 miles?

The OMM cypher smock arrived this week which at a reduced price of 65 fuck alls I was pretty pleased with. Good to have in the sack for bouldering walk-ins too.

I've got one of these http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/talon-4-p178587 (http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/talon-4-p178587) I bought it for an ultra where I wanted 2 bottles and also it was a bargain at £19, although since running with it I've found there's too much movement when both bottles are full so I normally half fill each one.  There is enough room to fit all my kit in.  A lot of people run with the 3l packs so must be able to fit stuff in.  Pete bland also do there own which I think is cheaper http://www.peteblandsports.co.uk/products/pete-bland-bumbag.htm (http://www.peteblandsports.co.uk/products/pete-bland-bumbag.htm)

Drink wise I've been using high5 4:1 recently as they came in a bundle with gels and I really liked them http://www.wiggle.co.uk/high5-energysource-41-energygel-bundle-deal/ (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/high5-energysource-41-energygel-bundle-deal/) also gel wise I really like the Cliff shot bloks as they are easy to get down, taste good and some have caffeine in them but they are expensive
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 03, 2014, 10:40:08 am
Agree with chris20, you should be able to fit pretty much everything in there. bear in mind too that quite often you may be wearing some of the kit anyway (in winter gloves and a hat), plus if you don't mind running in the smock then you can stash things in pocket as well.

As for hydration, its quite a personal thing; I tend to stick to water and Clif shots or blocks, plus wine gums if needed. I'd suggest trying to keep hydrated on just gels though without significant water intake as well will probably not work though you may be able to get away with it for an hour to two hour runs maximum. The other benefit of sticking to water is that on longer and more remote races its pretty easy to supplement a small personal water supply with top ups from streams.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on September 03, 2014, 10:48:06 am
I think you can fit everything in the 3L, but I have the 6L OMM one and use the compression straps. With full kit in it's not full, but will fit an extra top/legs for when I'm on training runs. Having a few extra easily accessible pockets in the 6L is also quite useful - stuffing gloves/hat in when you overheat on the climbs, but want them straight away in a cold wind on the tops.

I rarely bother with the water bottle in races, but again it's useful on training runs. That said, most of my races have in the short/medium categories with the occasional long. Not sure if you can buy them separately, but a mate of mine has a couple of "soft" water bottles/pouches that came with a hydration pack that I'm guessing was designed for ultras - I reckon one of them might be the way forward for me in long races.

Energy gels will not provide hydration benefits! Most gel manufacturers will say that you shouldn't use without additional water. Even if you can take them without water, they aren't going to keep you hydrated when running. I tend to use High5 4:1 (summer fruits or citrus are both quite pleasant) as a drink both before and after and water (if anything) during. If I use gels, then SIS orange ones without caffeine - check out how you react to gels before the race, I know of people who've had bad reactions to different ones. In my case, the caffeine ones make me need the loo, not what you want halfway through a race.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 03, 2014, 11:24:47 am
I use the little blue OMM 3l bag for most short and medium things (up to ultra with good food stops). Not done any of the Lakeland Longs though. I've also got the OMM 15l Ultra sac but rarely use it. If you fancy any of the local-ish shorter Clwyd races like the midweek Summer Trots, the kit requirement is often waived. Take it all but you probably won't need it. Capri sun's not a bad shout actually, if I take a drink I use a soft collapsible bottle so it doesn't slosh around and take up space.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 03, 2014, 12:42:43 pm
Thanks very much for this information all.

I'm starting to figure that if I went with something like the OMM 6l pack or the Innov8 3.5l with central 500ml bottle holder, I'll cover all bases and for shorter runs I'd be able to compress it down. I can't think of anything worse than gasping for a drink with several miles still to go!

Those Clif block things are really good. I've taken them out before for days at the crag and rate them. These, a water bottle and some Capri Suns for packability. Sorted.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on September 03, 2014, 12:54:25 pm
Good effort there folks!

If I may ask, for carrying the full approved FRA kit, is anybody aware if I'm likely to get it all in a 3l waist pouch such as the ones produced by OMM and Innov8? I saw the 6l OMM one with a bottle holder but like to travel as light as possible.

On the hydration front, is it possible to buy gels that fulfil both a carb/electrolyte function as well as hydrating one? I was thinking a few Capri Suns might pack away well into a small bumbag but I don't know. Perhaps taking a bottle is necessary/desirable for races over 12 miles?


I have the OMM 3L waistpack, which takes all FRA kit (including coat and trousers) and can also squeeze in a Platypus 500ml soft bottle with a 'squeeze and suck' cap (sorry, don't know the technical term). So in answer to your question - yes!

My preference to the OMM Waistpack are the compression straps which keep everything snug if the pack is half full i.e. coat only. You can also strap a map to the outside too if needed.

I personally don't take water for anything less than 1hr 30 mins, but that has been learnt over experience.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 03, 2014, 06:13:06 pm
Outside in Hathersage are selling the squeezy bottles, or at least they were not long back when I bought a couple of Ultimate Direction ones

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on September 06, 2014, 11:22:00 am
First post in a long time.
I'd say everything that Plattsy says is pretty much spot on.
Personally, I wouldn't go for Langdale as my first fell race, at least without a recce. Couple of reasons, it's as rough as in some places, the traverse under Esk Pike is grim, the bog across Martcrag Moor can be a man eater (take it from someone who knows), lastly it's in October, weather can be changeable to say the least. I did it on a gorgeous day and nearly passed out from exhaustion, spent the next two days re-hydrating. Then there have been years when full kit has been required from the off. The route across the Crinkles can be a bitch if you don't know the way and it's easy to get lost going from the Crinkles to 'Blisco. There again you could just ignore all that and just go for it and be absolutely fine.
Kit wise, I'd suggest Mudclaws, OMM kit will see you fine. On a longer race such as this, you might want to carry a small rucsac (up to 12l will be fine, any bigger and you take too much kit.) Hydration and knowing what you can eat while running are key. Experiment while training not on the day of the race. Clif blocks are great, but you may want something proper as the race goes on. At last year's tour of Pendle I couldn't face any more Shot Blocks and jelly babies were all I wanted. That and a litre of water.
Langdale can be a long day out so get your training right and fuel right and you'll be away.

If you want a taster of what Langdale will be like, Three Shires Race from Little Langdale is on the 20th September. Do that and Langdale will be a piece of cake. Whatever you do enjoy your running, fell running is fantastic, from an evening's run over the moors in the dark to big mountain days I found it knocked climbing out of the park :-)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on September 06, 2014, 02:38:07 pm
Whatever you do enjoy your running, fell running is fantastic, from an evening's run over the moors in the dark to big mountain days I found it knocked climbing out of the park :-)

For me they're both great. And they can complement one another really well. I can be fucked from a 20+ mile fell/trail run, and yet can still climb fine the next day. Or can have my body screaming from 5 days on of bouldering, and can go for a great run (don't underestimate the Font forest as a running venue).

Another nice thing is that weather that's shit for climbing is generally perfect for running. Other threads on here have been attempting to decry running as poor training for climbing. For me, it can help budge some fat, but it's essentially irrelevant. Running is fucking awesome. Most people don't know this, because they've not tried fell running and because they've not pushed through long enough to get past what can be a tough initial curve for some. Fine by me, don't want too many fuckers out on the moors after all.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 06, 2014, 03:16:13 pm
Whatever you do enjoy your running, fell running is fantastic, from an evening's run over the moors in the dark to big mountain days I found it knocked climbing out of the park :-)

For me they're both great. And they can complement one another really well. I can be fucked from a 20+ mile fell/trail run, and yet can still climb fine the next day. Or can have my body screaming from 5 days on of bouldering, and can go for a great run (don't underestimate the Font forest as a running venue).

Another nice thing is that weather that's shit for climbing is generally perfect for running. Other threads on here have been attempting to decry running as poor training for climbing. For me, it can help budge some fat, but it's essentially irrelevant. Running is fucking awesome. Most people don't know this, because they've not tried fell running and because they've not pushed through long enough to get past what can be a tough initial curve for some. Fine by me, don't want too many fuckers out on the moors after all.
Couldn't agree more  :2thumbsup:

Fell running has really made a huge difference in my fitness as well as general well being. I find it a perfect way to clear my head from a day in the office, something which climbing only does when I get outside, which isn't as often as I'd like. I'd agree on the tough early curve too, many people find the thought of running daunting, try the odd 5km run here and there, perhaps train for the odd 10km but never really go often enough to get "used" to it. I was out this week up to Stanage and kind of realised after the first few km's that it was "easy"; not in the sense of it being a stroll, but I am now fit enough to enjoy hitting a certain pace and being able to hold it for as long as I like whilst still feeling like you're covering good ground. Its great.

To be honest, whilst I love training hard at any sport, I can't see myself going back to training really hard for climbing any more (and I trained REALLY hard) when I was in my late teens, but I can do enough running to keep myself both fit, and hold a respectable place in local races.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on September 06, 2014, 03:42:47 pm

For me they're both great. And they can complement one another really well. I can be fucked from a 20+ mile fell/trail run, and yet can still climb fine the next day. Or can have my body screaming from 5 days on of bouldering, and can go for a great run (don't underestimate the Font forest as a running venue).

Another nice thing is that weather that's shit for climbing is generally perfect for running. Other threads on here have been attempting to decry running as poor training for climbing. For me, it can help budge some fat, but it's essentially irrelevant. Running is fucking awesome. Most people don't know this, because they've not tried fell running and because they've not pushed through long enough to get past what can be a tough initial curve for some. Fine by me, don't want too many fuckers out on the moors after all.

You're a better man than me, usually after long stuff I feel like crap the day after, probably because my recovery drink tends to be five pints of bitter  ;) that or tea

Oh yeah and don't try and tell too many people about the benefits of running, the moors are much better when there's no one around  ;D

Couldn't agree more  :2thumbsup:

Fell running has really made a huge difference in my fitness as well as general well being. I find it a perfect way to clear my head from a day in the office, something which climbing only does when I get outside, which isn't as often as I'd like. I'd agree on the tough early curve too, many people find the thought of running daunting, try the odd 5km run here and there, perhaps train for the odd 10km but never really go often enough to get "used" to it. I was out this week up to Stanage and kind of realised after the first few km's that it was "easy"; not in the sense of it being a stroll, but I am now fit enough to enjoy hitting a certain pace and being able to hold it for as long as I like whilst still feeling like you're covering good ground. Its great.

To be honest, whilst I love training hard at any sport, I can't see myself going back to training really hard for climbing any more (and I trained REALLY hard) when I was in my late teens, but I can do enough running to keep myself both fit, and hold a respectable place in local races.

Agree with that, I loved climbing when I did it and still look back on it with many happy memories. If I went back it, it would be bimbling around easy stuff at my local(ish) crags like Widdop and The Bridestones now.

Running on the moors though  :2thumbsup:

Oh and I would recommend Long Distance Walkers Association events as a good substitute to a long fell race too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 06, 2014, 03:56:22 pm
Oh and I would recommend Long Distance Walkers Association events as a good substitute to a long fell race too.
LDWA events are great, in fact any longish routes like that I really enjoy. Its nine edges challenge from Ladybower reservoir this next weekend, taking in all the main grit edges in Derbyshire, plus a free pint included in the entry at the Robin Hood pub at the end. I've done the Swaledale marathon event (mixed runners and walkers) a good few years ago too which I really enjoyed
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on September 06, 2014, 04:01:19 pm
LDWA events are great, in fact any longish routes like that I really enjoy. Its nine edges challenge from Ladybower reservoir this next weekend, taking in all the main grit edges in Derbyshire, plus a free pint included in the entry at the Robin Hood pub at the end. I've done the Swaledale marathon event (mixed runners and walkers) a good few years ago too which I really enjoyed

Some of the ones at the start of the year can be a bitch to get on, like the Hebden, from Mytholmroyd or the Three Shires in the peak. Couple of guys I know just treat them as a series of food stops with a jog in between   :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 06, 2014, 04:06:53 pm
LDWA events are great, in fact any longish routes like that I really enjoy. Its nine edges challenge from Ladybower reservoir this next weekend, taking in all the main grit edges in Derbyshire, plus a free pint included in the entry at the Robin Hood pub at the end. I've done the Swaledale marathon event (mixed runners and walkers) a good few years ago too which I really enjoyed

Some of the ones at the start of the year can be a bitch to get on, like the Hebden, from Mytholmroyd or the Three Shires in the peak. Couple of guys I know just treat them as a series of food stops with a jog in between   :)
I've heard that the High Peak Marathon is almost impossible to get on similarly. Not heard of the Hebden one, will have a look at that as not raced in that part of the country before.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on September 06, 2014, 04:18:01 pm
Bloke I know reckons the HP marathon is pretty much a closed shop now, he's only ever done it as a substitute.

Here's the link for the Hebden: http://www.alangreenwood.biz/th2015/index.html (http://www.alangreenwood.biz/th2015/index.html) entries are on SI entries.
Basically it's either 16 or 22 miles on the footpath with about 3500-4000' of ascent. A good morning's work.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 06, 2014, 05:41:03 pm
Bloke I know reckons the HP marathon is pretty much a closed shop now, he's only ever done it as a substitute.

Here's the link for the Hebden: http://www.alangreenwood.biz/th2015/index.html (http://www.alangreenwood.biz/th2015/index.html) entries are on SI entries.
Basically it's either 16 or 22 miles on the footpath with about 3500-4000' of ascent. A good morning's work.
Cheers Graeme, I heard pretty much the same about the HPM too. I'll have a good think about the Hebden race, sounds exactly the sort of race I like
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on September 06, 2014, 06:53:23 pm
BTOL I ran the Hebden this year for the first time. An 8o'clock start in the pissing rain and lots of low cloud making navigation really difficult. Absolutely grim. I moaned about it at the time but on reflection I really enjoyed it. Lots of food en route and like Graeme says it was really quite relaxed.

Also ran the Haworth Hobble this year. That's a brilliant route. Loved it and almost pulled out after 18 miles. So glad one of the marshalls pretty told me I wasn't retiring. For my first ultra I don't think  I could've picked a better one. Well recommended.

The fell races in and around the Calder Valley are tough. They seem steeper than the Peak District races, but that's probably just in my head. The Ovenden, Flower Scar, Hebden Bridge and Cragg Vale races were all really enjoyable last year and nice to run somewhere new.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on September 06, 2014, 07:28:28 pm
The inspiration and standard of sound, helpful advice on this thread is pure class.

I'm voting this the best thread of the year....

On a personal note this thread has inspired me to do a bit more... I'm crap compared to u lot.. But I've now done 10 miles in 74 mins around the Sheffield round walk and am looking to do some of the easier gritstone series stuff.. Got me eye on the burbage valley one. Scared.. Looking at times I'm gonna be happy to come in anything but last..

Got a couple of 10km of obstacle course runs left this month... Then I'll focus on the pure running... Again, thanks everyone... You have inspired a middle aged park runner to look to the hills. :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 06, 2014, 08:35:57 pm
Burbage skyline? You'll be long way from last doing 10 miles in that time. Check the fra calendar and get stuck in. It's a friendly scene, you'll enjoy it :)
Green helsby vest tomorrow at shelf moor if anyone wants to do the special ukb handshake.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on September 06, 2014, 10:04:37 pm

The fell races in and around the Calder Valley are tough. They seem steeper than the Peak District races, but that's probably just in my head. The Ovenden, Flower Scar, Hebden Bridge and Cragg Vale races were all really enjoyable last year and nice to run somewhere new.

No that's not in your head, they are steep. Did Flower Scar last year and it's brutal. That last climb up the steps is a bitch. Good value for a 6 mile race though, I fell over and landed on my chin in the last 400 yards, cost me at least two places  >:(
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on September 06, 2014, 10:34:12 pm

You're a better man than me, usually after long stuff I feel like crap the day after, probably because my recovery drink tends to be five pints of bitter  ;) that or tea
I can seriously recommend having a pint of milk before the other stuff. Well worth it as far as recovery goes. And it's quite easy to leave a ~45p milk pint bottle in the car for when you're done.

And yes, there's nothing like empty moors for emptying the mind of all the shit of the day/week.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on September 06, 2014, 10:41:05 pm
I'm crap compared to u lot.. But I've now done 10 miles in 74 mins around the Sheffield round walk and am looking to do some of the easier gritstone series stuff.. Got me eye on the burbage valley one. Scared.. Looking at times I'm gonna be happy to come in anything but last..

Got a couple of 10km of obstacle course runs left this month... Then I'll focus on the pure running... Again, thanks everyone... You have inspired a middle aged park runner to look to the hills. :2thumbsup:

Well I wish I could do 10 miles that fast. I've no idea how fast I could do 10 miles really, but I know I could&should improve my running by doing some speed-work. I've been focussing on long distances. Did a sub 6 mile on a short run the other day and thought 'ooo, that was fun' (before then going up a very steep hill considerably slower).
Went for a long run with a mate recently who's a bit quicker and fitter than me. He's living down south and road/trail running. He was ahead the whole way until we came to a long section of moorland heather. Hehe. Still, be nice to catch him on the trails  ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on September 08, 2014, 12:09:32 pm
Shelf Moor results are up :-

http://fellrunner.org.uk/results/race14/shelfmoor2014.pdf (http://fellrunner.org.uk/results/race14/shelfmoor2014.pdf)

Well pleased with 12th and my legs feel surprisingly OK!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 08, 2014, 01:09:11 pm
Shelf Moor results are up :-

http://fellrunner.org.uk/results/race14/shelfmoor2014.pdf (http://fellrunner.org.uk/results/race14/shelfmoor2014.pdf)

Well pleased with 12th and my legs feel surprisingly OK!
Great result! I'd be very happy with anything top third of a field let alone top quarter.

On a different note (and race), i marshalled the Totley Exterminator yesterday at Hathersage Church CP, so hope those that came through appreciated our efficient water provision and supply of jelly babies  :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 08, 2014, 01:14:21 pm
Oh nice, you were just after my mate Jim who's going really well at the moment. To my shame I was troubling the bottom half of the results in 59th. I had a chat with the Staffs Moorland guy (Mini?) on the way back to the car after. Good event, long climb though! At least I got ahead of the 3-legged dog.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on September 08, 2014, 02:39:45 pm
On a different note (and race), i marshalled the Totley Exterminator yesterday at Hathersage Church CP, so hope those that came through appreciated our efficient water provision and supply of jelly babies  :)

I appreciated the efficient water provision although at the time I was probably thinking how bad the climb up Mitchell field would be.  I finished it nearly 3 minutes quicker than last year and thought never again but now I think I'll be back next year, aching a lot today though
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 08, 2014, 02:52:56 pm
On a different note (and race), i marshalled the Totley Exterminator yesterday at Hathersage Church CP, so hope those that came through appreciated our efficient water provision and supply of jelly babies  :)

I appreciated the efficient water provision although at the time I was probably thinking how bad the climb up Mitchell field would be.  I finished it nearly 3 minutes quicker than last year and thought never again but now I think I'll be back next year, aching a lot today though
Good effort Chris, any time improvement is good but 3 minutes is a fair old chunk. That pull up to Mitchell Field is a slog though even when fresh.

I think we probably could have done with more water out on the course as I believe the CP before mine ran out, and we only survived by commandeering a garden tap from an old lady up the road.

I've not raced it before too so look forward to it next year hopefully.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on September 08, 2014, 03:17:15 pm
On a different note (and race), i marshalled the Totley Exterminator yesterday at Hathersage Church CP, so hope those that came through appreciated our efficient water provision and supply of jelly babies  :)

I appreciated the efficient water provision although at the time I was probably thinking how bad the climb up Mitchell field would be.  I finished it nearly 3 minutes quicker than last year and thought never again but now I think I'll be back next year, aching a lot today though
Good effort Chris, any time improvement is good but 3 minutes is a fair old chunk. That pull up to Mitchell Field is a slog though even when fresh.

I think we probably could have done with more water out on the course as I believe the CP before mine ran out, and we only survived by commandeering a garden tap from an old lady up the road.

I've not raced it before too so look forward to it next year hopefully.

Thanks.  It is a great route but probably more enjoyable if you're not pushing for a time especially on a day like yesterday.  I'm counting it as good training for Langdale
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on September 08, 2014, 08:26:59 pm
Shelf Moor results are up :-

http://fellrunner.org.uk/results/race14/shelfmoor2014.pdf (http://fellrunner.org.uk/results/race14/shelfmoor2014.pdf)

Well pleased with 12th and my legs feel surprisingly OK!

Great effort Neil! I can certainly feel it in my legs today - though possibly not helped with spending the rest of the day in various beer gardens! Nice day though, so not complaining. Cheer for saying high on the warm down.

The climb seemed to go on forever, not quite my strong point so lost a few places, but pleased with passing some of them on the way back down  :tease: and finishing 28th.

I had a chat with the Staffs Moorland guy (Mini?) on the way back to the car after.....

I nearly didn't say hi - I've never seen so many 'Steve' looking blokes in green Helsby vests, good team turnout! Lucky I picked the right one.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on September 17, 2014, 07:39:51 pm
 :goodidea:anyone doing the Viking Chase this weekend?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on September 17, 2014, 08:52:20 pm
X runner for me..
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on September 17, 2014, 09:04:36 pm
Well, entry gone in this morning so let's see if I'm accepted. Gulp.

Looks like we are in. Time to panic!!!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 22, 2014, 11:48:39 am
Small plug for the King John's Castle this weekend just gone. Great running over the Clwyds. Free soup from the community run pub and loads of prizes, all for 4 quid. Not many there this time (hey, top 20!) hate to see it disappear off the calendar.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on September 22, 2014, 12:44:09 pm
:goodidea:anyone doing the Viking Chase this weekend?
Hadn't spotted your post beforehand, but I was there. Legs were a bit tired after doing the road relay champs in Warrington on Saturday, but had a surprisingly good race. It was one of my first fell races a year ago and managed to knock 7 minutes of last year's time - just missed out on top 10 unfortunately, but we won the team prize. Did you do it?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on September 22, 2014, 01:33:25 pm
I did do it, and managed to knock 9 mins of last years’ time. I've only really been road running so pretty pleased. I've had a guess at your position from the results and your user name and see you came in nearly 10 mins ahead of me. Great effort. I had a target of sub 1hr 20 with a vague hope of sub 1hr 15 so pretty chuffed.

Great friendly event as ever and a perfect complement to Stokesley Agricultural Show the day before.

If you got cheered by a random group of adults and kids at the point the way out and way back courses cross between Kirby Bank and Broughton Bank, that was my family and in-laws. They were very impressed with the speed and composure of those at the front.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on September 22, 2014, 01:37:32 pm
........be prepared to be beaten by some proper old duffers.....

I had to take my own advice this weekend as the winner of the V60 category (nearer 70 than 60 he admitted at the prize giving) overtook me on the climb to the fourth "peak", giving me a pat on the shoulder and saying, "Well done Lad, keep them legs turning" before disappearing into the distance!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on September 22, 2014, 02:15:07 pm
........be prepared to be beaten by some proper old duffers.....

I had to take my own advice this weekend as the winner of the V60 category (nearer 70 than 60 he admitted at the prize giving) overtook me on the climb to the fourth "peak", giving me a pat on the shoulder and saying, "Well done Lad, keep them legs turning" before disappearing into the distance!
I was similar - the V50 winner was from my club and finished just in front of me. It was pretty close all the way along the outward leg, but he left me for dead dropping off Wainstones down to Clay Bank. I closed up a bit on the return leg, but would have needed an extra mile to catch him. I've still not managed to beat him on the fells, largely because he descends like a madman!

That was the last race in our summer series and the winter series starts in a few weeks. If anyone's after any races to do, they're pretty much every 2 weeks until New Year, then starting again in February. I'd recommend the Guisborough 3 Tops in November (which I think is going to be an English Champs race in 2015) and Guisborough Moors in April.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 22, 2014, 02:20:33 pm
Good work guys!

Regrettably I've been having ITB issues at the side of my knee prior to the past fortnight from road running. I'm not so sure my original grand designs to do The Langdale race will be possible now but I'm going to go run a section of it anyway asap.

Small plug for the King John's Castle this weekend just gone. Great running over the Clwyds. Free soup from the community run pub and loads of prizes, all for 4 quid. Not many there this time (hey, top 20!) hate to see it disappear off the calendar.

Hi Steve, hope all's well? Is there perchance a map you can point me to online to look at this course? I'm planning to hit Clwyd quite frequently and would love to get some routes pencilled in to attack.


Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 22, 2014, 03:58:32 pm
All good ta!
This was Sat: http://www.strava.com/activities/197035601 (http://www.strava.com/activities/197035601)
A couple from the Ruthin side: http://www.strava.com/activities/170033668 (http://www.strava.com/activities/170033668) http://www.strava.com/activities/137051557 (http://www.strava.com/activities/137051557)
Near Maeshafn: http://www.strava.com/activities/152157481 (http://www.strava.com/activities/152157481)
Big one, Famau's Five (geddit!): http://www.strava.com/activities/11952454 (http://www.strava.com/activities/11952454)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on September 23, 2014, 09:49:38 pm
Any advice on bumbags?

Pete Bland, Rock and Run Hipsac Superlite or jazzy OMM/Inov8 effort?

I'm leaning towards the Rock and Run, light and simple. The OMM/Inov8 bags look a bit faffy with too many extras. Any experiences?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on September 23, 2014, 09:57:14 pm
OK,  after the endurer dash this weekend my summer long affair with obstacle course races comes to an end. I need a real low end punter fell run to aim for.. the gritstone series seem to have dropped the burbage skyline event.. which would have been perfect ( know the place like the back of my hand, no savage hills, short)... preferably in the Peak.. what's the knowledge? looking for a race where you don't need all this bum bag kit... I'm ok if i have to wait until Spring.. what do you guys recommend??
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 24, 2014, 09:28:42 am
I read that as Burbage Skyline will still be on, just not part of the Gritstone series? It was a big field with a fairly congested start when I last did it and it's got bigger since.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on September 24, 2014, 12:25:48 pm
Any advice on bumbags?

Pete Bland, Rock and Run Hipsac Superlite or jazzy OMM/Inov8 effort?

I'm leaning towards the Rock and Run, light and simple. The OMM/Inov8 bags look a bit faffy with too many extras. Any experiences?

I have a OMM 3L waistpouch, and it fits my needs. It can fit all of the FRA kit requirements (coat, trousers, hat, gloves etc...) plus water if I need it. I like the compression straps too, useful for attaching a map externally but also for keeping everything snug if it's half full.

... looking for a race where you don't need all this bum bag kit... I'm ok if i have to wait until Spring.. what do you guys recommend??

At this time of year, I doubt any race will guarantee not needing to take some kit prior to the day. Even then, some spring races may require some kit, depending how cautious they are.

Have a look here; http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php) for races up coming. If you want a short easy race, look for categories that end with an S (for short), prefixed with and A means steep, B means not so steep, C meaning fairly flat (there are technical reasons on each of these, this is just a quick lunchtime post). Alternatively, have a look at Lakeland Trail runs, these tend not to need any kit being well marshalled and reasonably low level.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Bonjoy on September 24, 2014, 12:42:22 pm
OK,  after the endurer dash this weekend my summer long affair with obstacle course races comes to an end. I need a real low end punter fell run to aim for.. the gritstone series seem to have dropped the burbage skyline event.. which would have been perfect ( know the place like the back of my hand, no savage hills, short)... preferably in the Peak.. what's the knowledge? looking for a race where you don't need all this bum bag kit... I'm ok if i have to wait until Spring.. what do you guys recommend??

http://www.curbarprimary.co.uk/the-curbar-commotion-fell-race/ (http://www.curbarprimary.co.uk/the-curbar-commotion-fell-race/)

My wife who does a lot of fell running ran the race route of this the other day and said it was decent
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stevie on September 24, 2014, 12:46:01 pm
Fat Doc - you should check out the Litton Christmas Cracker Fell Race, it's new this year and runs around cragx/Rubicon etc. Think it's the 14th of December. Any race associated with the FRA will mean you should come prepared with the required kit (this includes things like Burbage Skyline). However, if the organisers deem the weather to be fair enough and the course profile and length aren't huge they may say on the day that the extra kit is not necessary.

Galpinos - The OMM 3 litre bumbag is great. It's what I've used for all my fell races. Not fancy at all, you've got the main pouch with a  key clip inside, and 2 small mesh pockets on either side of the main pouch (the fit gels in well). I like the elastic cord and clips, it means if the pouch isn't full you can compact it down to stop stuff bouncing about and it's built to last.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 24, 2014, 01:21:08 pm
Galpinos - The OMM 3 litre bumbag is great. It's what I've used for all my fell races. Not fancy at all, you've got the main pouch with a  key clip inside, and 2 small mesh pockets on either side of the main pouch (the fit gels in well). I like the elastic cord and clips, it means if the pouch isn't full you can compact it down to stop stuff bouncing about and it's built to last.

And at 17 rips on Rock n Run at present. Will pick one up myself soon.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on September 24, 2014, 08:19:54 pm
 The OMM ones seem a good deal at £17 but they don't have the old school homemade look and hardcore cache of the PB/R&R but seem to be the bumbag of choice!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 24, 2014, 09:23:27 pm
OK,  after the endurer dash this weekend my summer long affair with obstacle course races comes to an end. I need a real low end punter fell run to aim for.. the gritstone series seem to have dropped the burbage skyline event.. which would have been perfect ( know the place like the back of my hand, no savage hills, short)... preferably in the Peak.. what's the knowledge? looking for a race where you don't need all this bum bag kit... I'm ok if i have to wait until Spring.. what do you guys recommend??
Burbage Skyline is at the start of the summer season, April or May time (I should really know as I ran it). There's the Curbar Commotion in a few weeks time, then Leg it round Lathkilldale some time in December I think which is a really nice race and impossible to get lost on, and just one savage hill at half way.

Edit. Just seen your post Bonjoy, yes Curbar race should be good.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 24, 2014, 09:28:48 pm
Burbage Skyline was 6 May...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on September 25, 2014, 07:26:19 pm
Thanks all, I'll get an itinery sorted.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: erm, sam on September 25, 2014, 09:55:50 pm
Kinder Downfall, usually at the end of April is good. 10 miles up Williams Clough along the edge past the downfall and then down the grassy slopes back to Hayfield.

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~temples/hc/ (http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~temples/hc/)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on September 25, 2014, 11:02:06 pm
My local area, but much neglected and well worth a go:  http://www.trail26.com/ultratrail26/rivington.html (http://www.trail26.com/ultratrail26/rivington.html)

I've run bits (and all) of this route for longer than I dare recall and it's a really good loop.  Get to it!

EDIT:  I know, it's trail not fell.  But a great day out nonetheless.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 26, 2014, 11:42:43 am
You must be on a mega miles diet at the moment G!? How's it all going running-wise for you?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on September 26, 2014, 11:48:29 am
I've got the Preston 5k on Sunday, so I've only been doing 5k runs which is really really weird!!!

Back on the distance soon.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on October 05, 2014, 10:38:57 am
Right then. Langdale. I'm in. Last minute.
Anyone interested in liftsharing from Sheffield?
Heading up on the day would be best I think.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 06, 2014, 08:55:50 am
Right then. Langdale. I'm in. Last minute.
Anyone interested in liftsharing from Sheffield?
Heading up on the day would be best I think.
Chris20 and I are heading up on the day but we've booked BnB's Windermere for Saturday night  :alky:  :beer2: :pissed:  so won't be heading back to Sheffield straight after the race. How does that fit with your plans?

Ran leg4 of the Ian Hodgeson Mountain Relay yesterday as a last minute replacement. An absolute pleasure to see the countries best waltzing up and down some pretty treacherous steep ground in less than ideal conditions. Just glad I finished without injury. My legs really hurt today.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 06, 2014, 11:10:38 pm
Good luck to all for this Sunday's Langdale race!

Absolutely gutted I can't enter. Not that it's likely possible but if you get any images, I'd love to see them.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 07, 2014, 08:06:10 am
That's a shame Mono. Next year maybe. Plenty of time to gain some experience too.

There is zero chance of me taking a photograph on the way round. They'll be a photographer or two somewhere on the course. I'll go find the photo's after the race and post them up.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 08, 2014, 01:04:57 pm
Really wish you the best of luck in your time Plattsy. Hope you have a brilliant day mate.

Look forward to seeing race event photographs in due course too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on October 08, 2014, 10:27:05 pm
good luck all you guys, hoping for better weather!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 10, 2014, 01:46:19 pm
Thanks chaps. The weather forecast is certainly interesting. I've dropped ideas of a personal best and will be content with just getting round.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on October 10, 2014, 03:00:21 pm
Unless you want to break the record of 1:55 or whatever it is, just go 9out and enjoy it.  It's a beautiful route.  Have fun, and good luck!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 10, 2014, 03:06:56 pm
Thanks chaps. The weather forecast is certainly interesting. I've dropped ideas of a personal best and will be content with just getting round.
I think you'll get round without any troubles at all Plattsy! From what I've seen you're no slouch...

Just put my entry in this week for Marsden to Edale in January, as well as the Dig Deep intro Ultra in the Peak District next August too. Not sure which one I am fearing the most.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 10, 2014, 03:16:37 pm
Thanks GCW and BToL.

I've been training specifically for this race so with better conditions I'd be disappointed if I didn't PB having only ran it once last year. With the weather looking like it is that pressure is off.

I'd be more worried about The Trigger, BToL. That race really doesn't appeal to me at all.

Contemplating one of the UTPD races too. Maybe the long one.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on October 10, 2014, 03:56:19 pm
I'm looking forward to it but I was hoping the weather would be better so that I could just follow people round, my main aim will be to try not get lost

Just put my entry in this week for Marsden to Edale in January, as well as the Dig Deep intro Ultra in the Peak District next August too. Not sure which one I am fearing the most.

I need to put my entry in for the trigger.  I recommend signing up for the recce runs for the Dig Deep race, I did the ultra in the summer and the recce runs were a good way to meet other people doing the race and learning the route.  Also at 5 quid you get a few Clif products and soup and a roll at outside cafe afterwards
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 10, 2014, 07:01:32 pm
Trigger is pretty brutal to be honest, this year it seemed relentless and I felt spent at the end. Thanks for the recce suggestion Chris I'll look out for them. Plattsy, there are a few from Totley stepping up to the full ultra next year so I'm going recce parts of that with them at some point if you're interested. All familiar ground though so shouldn't get lost.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on October 11, 2014, 06:21:32 pm
Here's hoping you all got round ok. I pulled out weeks ago, been out on the bike more and my running seems to have gone to shit. Mate of mine went into a deep bog and had to be airlifted to Whitehaven, according the LAMRT website there were three callouts on the race alone, busy afternoon. Like I say hope you and everyone you know got round safely.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 13, 2014, 08:55:46 am
Well that was utter carnage. The weather was alright in the end. Some low cloud for the first half then the sun came out on at Crinkles Crag and the views were awesome. However conditions underfoot were unbelieveable. The rocks were unusually and unpredictably slippy. The steep grass sections very slippy and the marsh extra marshy. I must have fell over 5 or 6 times and have plenty of bumps, bruises and cuts. Everyone was slipping and falling over.

Graeme78 I take it your friend was the chap who dislocated his knee on the race trod below Esk Pike? I heard his screams from the drag up to Esk House and they didn't sound like screams of joy. He was attended to by 3 people when I passed him. That race trod is ridiculous, dangerous and yet lots of fun. Hope he's back fit soon.

Also heard about a broken wrist on Bow Fell, a dislocated shoulder at the finish, a badly gashed knee and I passed a young fella running with only one shoe on towards the end.

Chris20 got round alright and so did I. No PB for me but I finished 40 odd places higher than last year. Lost 10 places with cramp coming off Pike O'Blisco which is annoying as descending is usually where I make up some places. Happy to get round really with a decent performance.

Can't wait for next years.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Jaspersharpe on October 13, 2014, 09:09:03 am
Good effort, that sounds horrific.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on October 13, 2014, 09:20:14 am
It felt like the hardest race I have done but also the best, when the clouds lifted the views were spectacular.  I had a bad race, got it wrong with food but managed to make it round.  Plattsy had a great run, stormed pass me going up Bow fell and just disappeared.  I can't wait till next year
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 13, 2014, 10:25:09 am
Chris20 on the first climb. A little confused which way to go.
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Yours truely
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Descending of Pike o'Blisco. A little gingerly as I thought my hamstrings would cramp at any moment.
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Chris20 on the descent.
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Mrs Fullwood I believe
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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on October 13, 2014, 10:31:13 am
Did you mean to post that account in the "Don't go running" thread? Sounds savage. Good effort on getting around!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 13, 2014, 12:11:01 pm
Great effort Plattsy and Chris, looks pretty brutal. Best part about running in the Lakes is when the clouds suddenly lift like that, kind of takes your mind off the suffering.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on October 13, 2014, 12:54:41 pm
Great effort Plattsy and Chris, congratulations of coming home reasonably unscathed - reading some of the tales of woe on the Fell Runner forum makes it sound like an exceedingly eventful day!! A couple of mates from the club ran it, they said it was more a case of completing it rather going out to set any PB's.

I did have this pencilled in as one to do next year - thank god I used pencil and not a permanent marker ;-)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 13, 2014, 03:49:48 pm
Great effort guys! It sounded like armageddon! Top images too and really look forward to joining you next year. Moved the goal posts for a personal goal to the Jura race in May since I'm booked in there and on Islay for the whisky festival.

As an aside, Aldi have their running offers on this week. 100% merino wool base layer is decent at 15.99 for the top and pants respectively. The socks, gloves, hats and other bits all seem to be decent quality at very low prices too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 13, 2014, 04:42:49 pm
Langdale looks bonkers - added to list! Ceiriog Canter for me, over the top from Llangollen. About 1400' in mostly one long climb and descent. Just got back before the massive showers.

Anyone else in for the Fell Relays this weekend? I've been bumped from the fast team to the donkeys this year (Helsby, green vests). Leg 2 pairs, which my pairs-mate has recce-d so we should know vaguely where to go. Onwards!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 13, 2014, 05:04:35 pm
No relays for me. Good luck Steve.

Fancy bit of poor visibility flying. Helicoptor airlift from Saturday.
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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on October 13, 2014, 10:19:58 pm
Graeme78 I take it your friend was the chap who dislocated his knee on the race trod below Esk Pike? I heard his screams from the drag up to Esk House and they didn't sound like screams of joy. He was attended to by 3 people when I passed him. That race trod is ridiculous, dangerous and yet lots of fun. Hope he's back fit soon.

Also heard about a broken wrist on Bow Fell, a dislocated shoulder at the finish, a badly gashed knee and I passed a young fella running with only one shoe on towards the end.

Can't wait for next years.

Yeah that's the fella, another friend checked he was ok and then left him to it when he screamed yes  :lol: a couple of clubmates waited with the chap that broke his wrist while the helicopter came.
On the plus side you both got back safely, it's a strange race, did it years ago and haven't been back since for one reason or another but it has a strange pull, I don't know what it is, but it draws you back, in some respects it's not that good a race, but you feel the need to go back, probably because it's the last big race of the year in the lakes.

Well done to you both on getting round and well done on your improvement in places Plattsy, moving up 40 places is some achievement.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on October 13, 2014, 10:24:23 pm
Anyone else in for the Fell Relays this weekend? I've been bumped from the fast team to the donkeys this year (Helsby, green vests). Leg 2 pairs, which my pairs-mate has recce-d so we should know vaguely where to go. Onwards!

I'm in! It's my first ever relay event, and lucky been gifted the solo leg one for our Vets 40 team who happened to do quite well last year. I've made this my main training focus for the last few months - nothing beats the pressure as running for part of a team!! I recce'd both leg 1 and 2 a few weeks ago, both of which would make great fell races in there own right.

Really like the eastern side of Cumbria, great rolling running terrain - looking forward to it!! See you up there.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on October 13, 2014, 11:13:13 pm
Just a quick well done to everyone who finished the race on Sat. Looks like it was an eventful one for some.

I couldn't get a lift or justify the fuel so I bailed in favour of a long run from my door. That went well at least!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 14, 2014, 12:01:41 pm
Technically perhaps the wrong thread but just wondered if many of you have experienced ITB pain?

I've been having bouts of it in my outside right knee. I gave myself three weeks total rest until early this morning when I went out to run a local cross country trail where 1.5 miles in it started to rear its ugly head slightly. I walked back to the car to avoid further aggravation.

Am I correct in assuming some foam rollering in conjunction with glute/quad strengthening might help me out? I have pretty weedy legs (as many climbers appear to have) and am guessing these weaknesses might be at the root of my problem.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on October 14, 2014, 12:24:53 pm
am guessing these weaknesses might be at the root of my problem.

Just one more thing to think about would be shoes.  I know with trail shoes many think it's less important, but the stability, control/ neutrality or not, forefoot and cushioning all make a difference to the way you run and the stresses on the other bits of your body. 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 14, 2014, 12:26:00 pm
I had some pretty unpleasant problems much like this a few years ago, and it was particularly apparent when running downhill (not great as a fell runner). It took around 6 weeks of physio including glute work, plus core stability (single leg dip type things) to sort it out. I was told by the physio that it perhaps originated from a lower back weakness from a previous injury.

Either way, a properly constructed plan of exercises is likely to be the best way to go.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 14, 2014, 01:49:20 pm
I had ITB problems maybe 10 years ago that came on about 5-10 mins into a run. The good news it was fixable. I'm told it's hard to stretch but that seemed to be the fix for me. Not tried a foam roller but they seem to be top of the Internet Doctor list these days.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on October 14, 2014, 10:27:27 pm
Technically perhaps the wrong thread but just wondered if many of you have experienced ITB pain?

I've been having bouts of it in my outside right knee. I gave myself three weeks total rest until early this morning when I went out to run a local cross country trail where 1.5 miles in it started to rear its ugly head slightly. I walked back to the car to avoid further aggravation.

Am I correct in assuming some foam rollering in conjunction with glute/quad strengthening might help me out? I have pretty weedy legs (as many climbers appear to have) and am guessing these weaknesses might be at the root of my problem.

If it is just your IT band then a foam roller and stretching should do the trick. (Have a look on YouTube for tips and stretches.) It could also be worth your while stretching your piriformis as well. (Again Youtube is your friend).
ITB issues are supposed to be caused by too much hilly running so you could cut that down, I never bothered, just carried on and spent a lot of time in pain and swearing on top of hills.
Last time I went to physio, she gave me exercises to do that basically focused running uphill through my quads rather than leaning forward when going uphill. This allows your core to remain stable, as you lean forward you bring your glutes/hamstrings etc. into play, you'll know when your hamstrings are too tight, you'll get a bad back. If it doesn't seem to be clearing up, find yourself a decent physio, they should treat the injury as well as offering tips, such as the stretches I told you about.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on October 15, 2014, 11:50:50 am
Like lardtub.... Also been explained to me this month that an old injury... And running to far forward up hill, little body Maintenance, and stupid tight glutes and piriformis has thrown my right knee cap some 100mm plus off laterally.. Super tight ITB also a culprit...

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 15, 2014, 10:22:49 pm
Many thanks indeed folks. I have a foam roller in the post, some stretch exercises and some glute/quad plyometric exercises noted down. Hope it passes soon as I'm gagging to get up in the hills.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on October 16, 2014, 07:10:05 am
Some interesting comments there regarding lots of hill running and tight hamstrings. I did quite a high mileage week last week, with quite a lot of hill work, finishing with hills reps on Saturday. Sunday morning, woke up with a sore lower back, which really threw out my running gait on Sundays easy run. Too many coincidences??

It has taken a few days of early morning yoga (sun salutations) to stretch everything and feel almost back to normal.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who does stretching when its too late (never do any when I have no ailments!!!) 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 16, 2014, 08:05:01 am
My first bout of ITBS (hip) started when I moved from road to fell. Stretching worked for me. Took it as a growing pain. Next bout was after upping my fell mileage quicker than I should've. Took a month or two of reduced mileage and stretching to fix. Hip related yoga postures (pigeon, gecko) seem to be good maintenance for me at the moment. Not sure which would help for knee ITBS.

Sore lower back is a problem for me from time to time too. Definitely a weakness of mine. Probably due to poor posture and having a desk job with a 3 hour commute. This surely affects my hamstrings too. Better posture when running up hill is a nice thought but when I'm knackered posture isn't the first thing on my mind. Going to try and do some dorsal raises (lower back) and single leg hip raises (hamstrings) regularly. Probably help with climbing too.

I also have regular leg massages and if my IT band is playing up the masseuse will "strip" my IT band. It's painful but helps I think.

Hope you're back soon Mono.

Thanks Graeme78. With some work I might get a PB and places next year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 16, 2014, 09:30:35 pm
Thanks Plattsy - hopeful of a fix with all this combined beta.

Did my usual weekly Aldi recce today and found a pair of very well tailored womens waterproof trousers (with taped seams) for a tenner. It seems a bit tricky to get slim fit waterproof trousers for cheap and so perhaps a few folk here might like to take a look at their nearest store. Just a thought.


Check it...... (https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/specialbuys/hurry-while-stocks-last/hurry-while-stocks-last-product-detail-page/ps/p/mensladies-waterproof-trousers/)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on November 14, 2014, 01:40:15 pm
Not really a winter fell shoe (not for North York Moors mud anyway!), but Rock & Run have some deals on Inov8 Roclites at the minute. I've got a pair to go in the cupboard until next summer.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: tim palmer on November 14, 2014, 02:47:36 pm
Not really a winter fell shoe (not for North York Moors mud anyway!), but Rock & Run have some deals on Inov8 Roclites at the minute. I've got a pair to go in the cupboard until next summer.
Are there any idiosyncrasies with the sizing of inov8s or are they fairly standard?
edit: I normally wear Asics or Saucony
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on November 14, 2014, 03:13:50 pm
Not really a winter fell shoe (not for North York Moors mud anyway!), but Rock & Run have some deals on Inov8 Roclites at the minute. I've got a pair to go in the cupboard until next summer.
Are there any idiosyncrasies with the sizing of inov8s or are they fairly standard?
edit: I normally wear Asics or Saucony
I'd say they are pretty consistent. I normally run in Asics for trail, fell and road but recently went for a set of Mudclaw 300's, exactly the same size as my Asics. In fact, I find Asics more inconsistent within their range, and tend to go up or down 1/2 a size for some of their shoes.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on November 21, 2014, 10:57:25 am
Oh, good spot. Just bought the Roclite 243s for 36 quid. 295s gone now. Sizing, I'm an 8 in most things and 8 in all the Inovs I've tried. Current Montrails trails will no doubt rot through in the winter filth and maintains proud record of never paying close to full price. Ta!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on November 21, 2014, 03:29:53 pm
My pair arrived yesterday - they size pretty small in comparison to Mudclaws (about 1cm shorter than the 300s in the same size), so I've returned for a size bigger.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 03, 2015, 10:14:20 am
 In honour of the Best of 2014/Aims for 2015 threads, any highlights or targets from the fell running contingent? In no particular order for me :-
And for 2015 :-
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 03, 2015, 04:19:39 pm
Oh God, where do I start? As my first year of fell running, the whole 12 months has just been one brilliant experience after another.


As for Aims;

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 03, 2015, 08:19:08 pm
Sadly can't chip in with any fell running achievements just yet as post Langdale intention, a knee issue flared up.

Getting a bit more on top of it now and most likely will enter the Jura race during whisky festival week. Have to have a few races under my belt before then and I was going to take the plunge on a budget this week and buy some More Mile Cheviot 2 for a hit next weekend. If I'm a UK 10.5, would folk who have a pair advise going for size 10.5 in them too at all?

Wishing you all the very best of luck in your races this year!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 04, 2015, 07:33:22 am
Mini - If your Moorlands team can get enough runners together (12), the Calderdale relay is a good one to go for. 6 legs, 50-ish miles, all run in pairs. The Calder Valley team that were second at the fell relays were a big part of last year's winning team, so high standard field! There's 3 proper fell legs and the other 3 are more akin to XC. Getting the baton round without getting involved in mass starts is pretty challenging (we failed), but heading back for another crack this year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: psychomansam on January 04, 2015, 12:21:49 pm
Well done to all the above. Good stuff!

2014:
Completed my first ultra - a 30+ mile trail&fell race.
First MM
Completed the PeakRaid3 series - great fun.
Regular Wednesday night fell runs

2015:
Keep up the Wed night fell runs
Do a couple of ultras, perhaps repeating the previous but quicker and perhaps one at ~40+ miles
Do the kinder dozen.
Run in the Lake District a bit more. Complete my first fell race in the Lakes.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 05, 2015, 08:43:12 pm
.... and I was going to take the plunge on a budget this week and buy some More Mile Cheviot 2 for a hit next weekend. If I'm a UK 10.5, would folk who have a pair advise going for size 10.5 in them too at all?


Can't help with sizing I'm afraid, but Sportshoes.com do have some big reductions at the moment of your after a budget buy??

Stabbsy - just had a look into it, the Relay you suggested does look good. I'll put it to the team, but we do generally struggle with numbers for events such as this. We somehow manged to pull three teams together for the Fell Relays this year, but apparently that was a first!

P'Sam - You've way more stamina than me, cap is well and truely doffed!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 08, 2015, 07:08:19 am
First of the English Champs' entered last night - Flower Scar. If you keen, get in quick as the places are filling fast. Tme to get spanked again!!!

First race of the year for me is gonna be Stanbury Splash nr Keighley on the 18th. If your half local, could be worth a look. Slightly less ego bruising ;-)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 08, 2015, 06:32:46 pm
Got Marsden to Edale this Sunday. Woefully underprepared. And given it took me six hours last year I think it's going to be a painful day on the hills. Gulp.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 08, 2015, 08:30:32 pm
First of the English Champs' entered last night - Flower Scar. If you keen, get in quick as the places are filling fast. Tme to get spanked again!!!

Blimey - Flower Scar full already! I've got a road 10k in Trafford the day after, so couldn't make it anyway. I'm thinking I'll pop my English Champs cherry at Guisborough 3 Tops in Sept - maybe a bit of local knowledge will help.

Got Marsden to Edale this Sunday. Woefully underprepared. And given it took me six hours last year I think it's going to be a painful day on the hills. Gulp.

Good luck - I ran the Bleaklow bit of the route in reverse on Christmas Day, it's going to be pretty boggy! Hope the weather's not too wild.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: horn on January 12, 2015, 01:39:58 pm
Any of you following the Spine Race? 268miles in this weather!  :jaw:
http://spine.opentracking.co.uk/race/ (http://spine.opentracking.co.uk/race/)

Looks absolutely horrendous, how on earth could you train for something like that?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on January 12, 2015, 02:16:21 pm
I went to a little club talk from Charlie Sharpe on last year's Spine - I think he was 2nd in 2014. He had something completely nuts like 4h45' sleep over the whole thing. Either moving, eating or having his feet rebuilt the rest of the time. Bonkers.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: tomtom on January 12, 2015, 02:17:40 pm
Every time I see the thread title, I think its about someone who has fallen over whilst jogging...

Sorry. As you were...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 12, 2015, 02:55:48 pm
Any of you following the Spine Race? 268miles in this weather!
http://spine.opentracking.co.uk/race/ (http://spine.opentracking.co.uk/race/)
Good website - hadn't spotted that. I wonder how much difference the time of year and direction makes for a record attempt - the PW record is apparently 2 days 17 hours and this lot are well over that already. Not sure what time of year that was though and I think it was done north to south.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 12, 2015, 08:57:46 pm
Spent some time over the weekend following an acquaintance on the tracker. He eventually came third in the shorter 108 mile 'Challenger' from Edale to Hawes.

Conditions did sound effing ridiculous - he was told by Mountain Rescue he wouldn't be allowed to tick Pen-y-ghent due to the 75mph winds!!! Tough aint the word!!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 12, 2015, 10:40:43 pm
Just recovering from Trigger race yesterday. If Saturday for the Spine race were worse conditions than on Sunday, which they were, then I can't imagine racing in that. Trigger itself was pretty rough, sections of 50mph headwinds on Bleaklow and Kinder, plus snow and an enforced longer route to prevent crossing the plateau near the end. So knocking off 8 minutes of the year before plus covering an extra 3km in those conditions is pretty good going. And to finish it off I ended up in minor injuries having a small hole in my shin stitched up after coming a cropper on Mill Hill flagstones.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 15, 2015, 11:19:06 pm
Off to stay at the foot of Bamford Edge tomorrow for a few days. Taking my shoes (and possibly rock shoes) to cram in a good run on the Saturday if possible. Does anybody have any good route suggestions in the area?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 16, 2015, 07:16:55 am
Off to stay at the foot of Bamford Edge tomorrow for a few days. Taking my shoes (and possibly rock shoes) to cram in a good run on the Saturday if possible. Does anybody have any good route suggestions in the area?
spoilt for choice round Bamford really. Dependimg on how far you're wanting to run you can go along the top of Bamford edge over to Cutthroat Bridge and on to Derwent Edge. Or head west on to win Hill and along the ridge all the way to Kinder if you like. Or, south to Bradwell Edge, Shatton moor and over to Eyam and then back via Sir William Hill or to Grindleford and follow the river back.

DM me if you want more routes and I'll point you in the direction of my Movescount page which has lots of routes passing through Bamford.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 21, 2015, 08:55:15 pm
Enjoyed a first foray out on Saturday across Bamford and beyond. Those More Mile Cheviot 2's are a bargain!

Has anybody any experience of running orthotics as a way of preventing ITB pain? Despite exercises/lunges etc, still seem can't to shift it. The Currexsole Runpro ones look good if so?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 30, 2015, 09:30:09 am
After last week's first fell foray (how alliterative), I should have a window to head out this Saturday if I can finish a few jobs.

Just thought I'd ask the panel for location suggestions given recent conditions (preferably within 1hr 30m of Liverpool)? Happy to romp through a bit of snow and whatnot.



Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 30, 2015, 10:25:26 am
How about Bleaklow or Roaches area? They should be within range, but no idea how much snow there is in the west.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on January 30, 2015, 10:32:56 am
What about Winter Hill or Rivington Pike lid?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on January 30, 2015, 11:59:58 am
The Rivvy Pike and Winter Hill circuit should be fine. How far do you want to go?  PM me if you want any route details.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 30, 2015, 02:08:15 pm
Cheers for the suggestions guys, GCW - you have mail.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: richieb on February 03, 2015, 09:43:07 pm
Just want to thank Monolith for the More Mile Cheviot tip off. Got some in after reading this thread and they have been great on the snowy trails round here the last couple of weeks. I've never worn any proper fell shoes so I don't know how they compare but for the stuff I am doing they are spot on. Bargain!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on March 21, 2015, 08:23:06 am
Anyone Peak based (or others) tempted by Wolfs Pit (http://wolfspitfellrace.org.uk/) fell race tomorrow? It's just shy of 6 miles with 1500ft of climbing in there, so it'll be a tough little cookie. It's normally very well marshalled and flagged, so if it stays clear it could be a good intro for anyone getting into this fell malarkey!
Title: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on March 21, 2015, 09:46:34 am
I'm off to Austria tonight for a weeks snowboarding else I'd be tempted. Very local race to me and some good fast sections once up the first bit from memory. Good luck to anyone giving it a go.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on March 24, 2015, 09:58:16 pm
Anyone Peak based (or others) tempted by Wolfs Pit (http://wolfspitfellrace.org.uk/) fell race tomorrow? It's just shy of 6 miles with 1500ft of climbing in there, so it'll be a tough little cookie. It's normally very well marshalled and flagged, so if it stays clear it could be a good intro for anyone getting into this fell malarkey!

Was a good race on Sunday, great day for it.  A real tough start but really nice running once on top of the hill.  Some great photos here https://mossienet.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/wolfs-pit-report/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on March 24, 2015, 10:05:26 pm
Anyone else doing the Red Rose 100 (http://www.ldwa.org.uk/EastLancashire/W/3125/red-rose-100.html)?  I've managed to get in from the waiting list, although my usual partner in crime hasn't.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on March 25, 2015, 08:04:14 pm
Was a good race on Sunday, great day for it.  A real tough start but really nice running once on top of the hill.  Some great photos here https://mossienet.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/wolfs-pit-report/

Totally agree. That first hill climb was brutal, made for great fun in the return decent mind! Down-hilling has never been my forte, so I was pleased on Sunday to pass quite a few people on the descents - quite a tough skill to learn is disengaging brain and turning off all safety parameters!! Strong field too - definitely one to bring out the strong Peak based runners.

Lads Leap on Sunday Chris?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on March 27, 2015, 12:05:29 pm
Lads Leap on Sunday Chris?

Probably not, weather's not looking great this weekend so might use the time to sort out lots of stuff I've been putting off
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on July 24, 2015, 02:56:47 pm
Just wondering if anybody can help me answer a query; I was going to pick up a pair of ten quid Gelert packaway waterproof trousers with taped seams as per the FRA kitlist. However, they have open pockets (with taped edges internally) and I wondered whether this would be a problem? Scheduled to run my first race next week and off on a recce tomorrow. Really don't want to be turned away after driving a few hours.

Any help much appreciated.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on July 24, 2015, 03:19:16 pm
I reckon you should be absolutely fine. The Montane ones I have are the same I think, and whenever I have done a race which actually checks kit properly (e.g. Trigger) they always just pull out the trouser leg and roll it up to see if it has taped seams down the leg. Never seen anyone do anything more than that (though don't blame me if they test them for hydrostatic head now I've said that  :whistle: )
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on July 27, 2015, 12:28:38 pm
I was going to pick up a pair of ten quid Gelert packaway waterproof trousers with taped seams as per the FRA kitlist....

That's exactly what I did. I've been kit checked a few times and each time they haven't been an issue.

Enjoy the race, first ones are always exciting!  :)

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on July 27, 2015, 03:53:59 pm
Hope Tom hasn't been put off by his rather damp recce!?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on July 27, 2015, 04:47:50 pm
Scheduled to run my first race next week and off on a recce tomorrow. Really don't want to be turned away after driving a few hours.

Any help much appreciated.

Which race did you decide on?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on July 28, 2015, 08:27:48 am
According to his facebook he's entered the Arenig Fawr race?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on July 28, 2015, 11:00:45 am
According to his facebook he's entered the Arenig Fawr race?
In at the deep end then! Good luck!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on July 28, 2015, 11:14:33 am
I reckon you should be absolutely fine. The Montane ones I have are the same I think, and whenever I have done a race which actually checks kit properly (e.g. Trigger) they always just pull out the trouser leg and roll it up to see if it has taped seams down the leg. Never seen anyone do anything more than that (though don't blame me if they test them for hydrostatic head now I've said that  :whistle: )

I have had the same experience, as long as they are taped it should be OK (although the same proviso applies!).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on July 28, 2015, 12:55:14 pm
Thanks for the information folks. I recce'd as much of the Arenig Fawr course as possible on Sunday and wore the Gelert trousers from the off until the end. They were surprisingly good and can pack down well. I have to admit that the weather was horrendous with strong winds and heavy rain reducing visibility greatly. I made it towards checkpoint two and then retreated to the lowlands to contour a while before heading home.

It transpires from a post on the FRA forum that one of my neighbours is something of a fell running beast. He extended his Bob Graham Round by three peaks within the 24hr window to match his age at the time (45). He also ran the Joss Naylor Challenge in a potentially record breaking time for the V60 category this weekend (13hrs 27 min).

He who suggested I might look at the Arenig Fawr race as he's marshaling this Sunday. I think I'll go for it since the first section was practically a rock climb and suited me well. Fully expecting a tough time but reputed to be a good day out.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on July 28, 2015, 12:56:54 pm
Did it have gnarly crimps and one move? Good luck beast!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on July 28, 2015, 01:06:11 pm
I wish Andy. Fully prepared to get shut down!

Check out this series of blocks I spotted too. Great short roof highball onto slab exit. Needs a few pads and spotters but looks fun!

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2yy6teg.jpg)
Title: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 02, 2015, 10:05:42 pm
Run most of the Dig Deep Intro Ultra today as can't do it on the day now. 42km in just over 5 hours 10 so really chuffed with my effort seeing as I've not done many long runs of late. Just a shame I can't do the race proper but know I've more than got it in me next year.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 03, 2015, 09:55:52 am
Strong effort bigtub! I'm sure you're delighted.

Ran my first ever race at Arenig Fawr yesterday. I sense that this was a tough first one to enter especially as other than some treadmill work I've only managed one run in about two months. Was especially pleased with managing to finish and in 2hrs 30mins which was better than I thought I'd do. Really enjoyed it and will be back for more.

Nice little camera phone shot from the man who got me psyched:

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2058jfa.jpg)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 03, 2015, 10:17:21 am
Ran my first ever race at Arenig Fawr yesterday. I sense that this was a tough first one to enter especially as other than some treadmill work I've only managed one run in about two months. Was especially pleased with managing to finish and in 2hrs 30mins which was better than I thought I'd do. Really enjoyed it and will be back for more.
Great effort too! It becomes a little addictive and hasn't done wonders for my climbing if I am honest, but I am definitely fitter. I think you are right too, not a steady first race but if you can get round that then most races will be fairly easy in comparison.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 03, 2015, 10:24:25 am
All of the comments that people made at the start of this thread were going through my head on the way round; veterans burning you off, "keep going lad", the friendliness of the scene etc. It was just such a good experience.

I honestly can't stop laughing at some of the older characters I met and at their immense levels of fitness. So inspiring.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fiend on August 03, 2015, 10:53:31 am
Yes yes you super-fit beasts, but what sort of nick is Arennig Fawr in? Need to get back on the trad there!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 03, 2015, 11:26:31 am
Yes yes you super-fit beasts, but what sort of nick is Arennig Fawr in? Need to get back on the trad there!

Certainly can't put myself in the category mentioned Fiend but I can tell you that it was a glorious day on Sunday especially from 1pm onwards. I went waist deep into a bog three times so beware that it is a bit wet underfoot in places.

The rock quality there looks superb. I didn't really see much trad potential though that was probably from being head down for much of the day. Would be interesting to see a topo or some images.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 03, 2015, 12:28:11 pm
It transpires from a post on the FRA forum that one of my neighbours is something of a fell running beast. He extended his Bob Graham Round by three peaks within the 24hr window to match his age at the time (45). He also ran the Joss Naylor Challenge in a potentially record breaking time for the V60 category this weekend (13hrs 27 min).

Is that Yiannis? Proper legend he is. I did the Druid a couple of years ago and he took us up an extra little climb just for giggles when he was marshalling the return leg :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 03, 2015, 12:57:26 pm
Is that Yiannis? Proper legend he is. I did the Druid a couple of years ago and he took us up an extra little climb just for giggles when he was marshalling the return leg :)

It's not Steve. Yiannis is about 500 metres further away. Turns out there's a load of secret beasts in South Liverpool!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fiend on August 04, 2015, 02:47:19 pm
Cheers Mono. This is the stuff I mean: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2712 , obviously I don't know where your bog-wade went in relation to that ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 11, 2015, 11:08:49 am
Cheers Mono. This is the stuff I mean: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2712 , obviously I don't know where your bog-wade went in relation to that ;)

Ah got you Fiend. That's on the other side of the race course - looks great!

It's a step up in trip (I'm not a horse) but the Half Peris Horseshoe is coming up and I wondered if any of you have plans to run it? I have a few days free and am assessing whether to head over to do it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on August 11, 2015, 12:45:14 pm
Not me, short on time and fitness at the mo. Will be trotting up Eccles Pike tomorrow night though.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 11, 2015, 02:59:45 pm
It's a step up in trip (I'm not a horse) but the Half Peris Horseshoe is coming up and I wondered if any of you have plans to run it? I have a few days free and am assessing whether to head over to do it.

It's a possible for me - I might be down in Wales next week climbing, so it would fit in nicely. Still trying to regain fitness for Guisborough 3 Tops after 4 months of injury. The other possibilities are Weasdale (same weekend) and Crowden Horseshoe (weekend after).

First fell race for 6 months last weekend - hard work, but fairly successful!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 11, 2015, 03:09:57 pm
Not me, short on time and fitness at the mo. Will be trotting up Eccles Pike tomorrow night though.

Should be a nice evening for it too Galpinos! Hope to see you up that way soon.

It's a step up in trip (I'm not a horse) but the Half Peris Horseshoe is coming up and I wondered if any of you have plans to run it? I have a few days free and am assessing whether to head over to do it.

It's a possible for me - I might be down in Wales next week climbing, so it would fit in nicely. Still trying to regain fitness for Guisborough 3 Tops after 4 months of injury. The other possibilities are Weasdale (same weekend) and Crowden Horseshoe (weekend after).

First fell race for 6 months last weekend - hard work, but fairly successful!

Good stuff Stabbsy. Could keep in touch via pm if you fancied saying hello at some point in the day? I'm touch and go with a permarubbish back but steep climbing oddly seems to help it. It may be too much too soon in terms of distance and perhaps I should curb my enthusiasm. Who knows.

Glad to hear you're coming back from injury too. Which race did you enter last weekend? Was it the Turner Landscape or Tegg's Nose? The former massively appealed but we had friends over on the day.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on August 11, 2015, 03:56:34 pm
Pendle Three Peaks a week on Saturday, good prep for the most contrived fell race in the calendar and an autumn classic, Full Tour of Pendle.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 11, 2015, 06:08:12 pm
First fell race for 6 months last weekend - hard work, but fairly successful!

Good stuff Stabbsy. Could keep in touch via pm if you fancied saying hello at some point in the day? I'm touch and go with a permarubbish back but steep climbing oddly seems to help it. It may be too much too soon in terms of distance and perhaps I should curb my enthusiasm. Who knows.

Glad to hear you're coming back from injury too. Which race did you enter last weekend? Was it the Turner Landscape or Tegg's Nose? The former massively appealed but we had friends over on the day.

It was Round Hill Fell Race, on the moors between Otley and Skipton. Not the hilliest race I've done, but was really quick as a result.

Pendle Three Peaks a week on Saturday, good prep for the most contrived fell race in the calendar and an autumn classic, Full Tour of Pendle.

I'd considered doing this one as well, as a bit of a recce for the relays. Need to finish in the top 6 for our club at 3 Tops in September, hence the need for some race fitness!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on August 11, 2015, 06:26:42 pm
I've yet to quest over to Wales for any races, hopefully change that next year. This year I've mostly been busy at weekends visiting immediately family members who are currently really rather unwell. Shame, as I'll miss Weasdale this year which was my favourite race of 2014!

....... as a bit of a recce for the relays. Need to finish in the top 6 for our club at 3 Tops in September, hence the need for some race fitness!

How've you gone on for getting teams out this year? We are a bit gutted, we could potentially field three teams, but with the new categories it looks like we'll only get one mens team out. Real shame, as it means a lot of runners who have run the relays over the years will miss out. Hopefully they'll be back to normal next year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 11, 2015, 07:43:38 pm
....... as a bit of a recce for the relays. Need to finish in the top 6 for our club at 3 Tops in September, hence the need for some race fitness!

How've you gone on for getting teams out this year? We are a bit gutted, we could potentially field three teams, but with the new categories it looks like we'll only get one mens team out. Real shame, as it means a lot of runners who have run the relays over the years will miss out. Hopefully they'll be back to normal next year.

We don't stand a chance of getting any vets teams out (3 of our best runners are vets, but we won't manage a full team), so just a men's open team and maybe a women's open (who could do pretty well, as we have a 4 or 5 good women).

Didn't your lot have an open and a V40 team last year? Your V40 team (with you in it) beat us if I remember right!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on August 12, 2015, 06:52:43 am
Yes, last year we put three teams out (men's open, mixed team + vet 40), our strongest turning out to be the vets. Unfortunately we've had a couple of good Vets' leave this last year, so we'll be left with one male open team. We could happily put another men's open team in (possibility if the relays are undersubscribed) and a mixed team, but not with this years rules. I think all clubs will suffer, which is a real shame.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 12, 2015, 01:59:57 pm
It's a tricky one - the race size is limited by the venue, so the organisers had to put some sort of quota in place which seems fair enough. The sport relies on the goodwill of landowners in many areas - particularly for us in the North York Moors - so we have to take their views into account. Like any quota system, it's imperfect and some are disadvantaged more than others (would 1st 150 teams to sign up be fairer?). If the venue could deal with the numbers, my guess is they would still allow multiple entries in categories and rely on the 2 'A' cat races and time cut-offs to limit event size and length.

The communication of the issues maybe hasn't been handled in the best way, but clubs lose out more because the total number of teams is down than because of the category changes. It will have most impact on the bigger clubs - Dark Peak and Calder will probably get half as many teams. We're a very small club from a fell running perspective (10-15 regulars, plus a few extras for big events like Calderdale relays), so it has little effect on us - 2 teams last year, maybe 2 this year if we we can get a few extras for a ladies team.

That said, it's easy for me to be objective because I'm not impacted. We will only enter one men's team and my inclusion in it depends purely on my performance in 3 weeks time, so it's in my hands!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on August 12, 2015, 04:17:45 pm
It's a situation that isn't helped by the same people stirring the pot. Happened on the FRA forum and facebook who are anti-FRA. It all becomes a bit stale, I'm not a member of a club so it won't affect me, but I think that:
1. The FRA could communicate the problems a little more (I know they're the UKA or BA Fell Relay Championships, but they're effectively run by the FRA)
2. The same people who have the axe to grind over the safety debacle really need to get a new hobby. We all know you have a problem with the FRA, move on and go and do your English Hill Runners thing  >:(
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on August 13, 2015, 10:50:48 am
Not me, short on time and fitness at the mo. Will be trotting up Eccles Pike tomorrow night though.

Hmmm, I'm not even sure trotting does justice to the slow waddle up Eccles Pike that I managed, I even got beaten by a lad with only one shoe. The club had a good turn out and managed a Ladies 2nd, the weather was lovely and the food in the pub was good so a fun night all round. Charging down a steep tussocky slope on the edge of control (the only way for me to gain places, it certainly wasn't on the up) is good for the soul.

We had plenty of banter from the marshals as I run for Chorlton runners (SW Manchester Suburb) so we got lots of, "This is a site, do I need to explain how to use it?", "Shouldn't you be at a Parkrun" etc......
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on August 13, 2015, 05:08:55 pm

We had plenty of banter from the marshals as I run for Chorlton runners (SW Manchester Suburb) so we got lots of, "This is a site, do I need to explain how to use it?", "Shouldn't you be at a Parkrun" etc......

Do you know Andy Ford?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 13, 2015, 05:38:12 pm
Oh dear, that relay thread has got a bit antsy. I've put my hat in the ring for the Helsby Vets squadra and I'll leave it at that. The first one I did in the Clwyds only had 120 teams so it might not be the predicted disaster.

Tegg's Nose was hot - grateful for the water stop put on at short notice. Hopefully Chipping next w/e.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on August 13, 2015, 10:33:13 pm
 :icon_beerchug:
Do you know Andy Ford?

Yes, though not very well. I've only been out with Chorlton Black Sheep (the fell running group) a couple of times so only really to say hi to.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on August 14, 2015, 02:08:15 pm
Good bloke.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 27, 2015, 01:16:09 pm
Lovely trail running film on Suilven.
Tom's a loose mate of mine - the boy done good :)
https://vimeo.com/137094867
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Falling Down on August 27, 2015, 01:33:40 pm
Not me, short on time and fitness at the mo. Will be trotting up Eccles Pike tomorrow night though.

Hmmm, I'm not even sure trotting does justice to the slow waddle up Eccles Pike that I managed, I even got beaten by a lad with only one shoe. The club had a good turn out and managed a Ladies 2nd, the weather was lovely and the food in the pub was good so a fun night all round. Charging down a steep tussocky slope on the edge of control (the only way for me to gain places, it certainly wasn't on the up) is good for the soul.

We had plenty of banter from the marshals as I run for Chorlton runners (SW Manchester Suburb) so we got lots of, "This is a site, do I need to explain how to use it?", "Shouldn't you be at a Parkrun" etc......

That's got me misty eyed and nostalgic.  EP was the first race I ran back in '93 and why I ended up moving to Buxworth three years later.  I must have run up and down the Pike with Banya and then Bear at least once a week from '96 until 2011.  It'll always be my favourite hill...  :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on September 18, 2015, 08:20:04 am

If anyone is at the Viking Chase in the North Yorks Moors this weekend (Stabbsy? I think you've done it a couple of times) I'm be the only Chorlton Runner there (black and gold vest), say hi!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 21, 2015, 04:27:15 pm
Hope it went well Galpinos?

I'm off to do the Kirk Fell race at the Wasdale Shepherds meet this year. Made a bit of a birthday weekend out of it and taking the new border collie pup along to inspire her at the trials. Bit of an esoteric race so doubt anyone here will be doing it. If so, come say hello!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on September 21, 2015, 05:40:12 pm
I survived. Managed to beat last years time by a poor 40 seconds but was two places further back. Was in the mix for the first half but lack of running meant I was living on borrowed time and shipped a lot of places in the second half.

Lovely race though and on the hill just above my mother in law's house.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on September 22, 2015, 03:17:30 pm

If anyone is at the Viking Chase in the North Yorks Moors this weekend (Stabbsy? I think you've done it a couple of times) I'm be the only Chorlton Runner there (black and gold vest), say hi!

I didn't run this year, but just seen the results. One of my clubmates got the win - he's going from strength to strength this year. Good effort on improving on last year's time. I'd guess it was good conditions for running? - I was a bit further east, bouldering at Round Crag on Blakey Ridge (bit spread out, but worth a visit if you're in the area).

Saving myself for Rivington Trail Half in 10 days, then maybe the Windgather race from Buxton the following weekend (depending on how I recover!). Then it's my last big race of the year - Leg 4 of the fell relays at Pendle.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on September 22, 2015, 05:38:24 pm
That Rivvy route is one you will enjoy.

I'm taking a few months off to get back to rock!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on September 23, 2015, 10:42:43 pm
Saving myself for Rivington Trail Half in 10 days, then maybe the Windgather race from Buxton the following weekend (depending on how I recover!). Then it's my last big race of the year - Leg 4 of the fell relays at Pendle.

Head's been in the shed a little this year where racing has been concerned, but if I'd spotted the Rivington Trail race ealier I might have thrown my name into the ring, especially with it being on my old home turf.

Doing a recce of the final section of the 3 Peaks race tomorrow from Ribblehead, over Ingleborough and back to Horton In Ribblesdale, which may well test my navigation skills given the claggy forecast. Should be good practice for the Pendlel relays, where I've been pulled in for Leg 2 (can't navigate for peanuts!). Luckily my partner is a diamond in that respect ;-)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on September 24, 2015, 08:47:47 am
I always seem to get lost and end up in the bog heading up to Ingleborough!    :-[
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Cuckoo on September 25, 2015, 01:43:02 pm
That Suilven video is ace.  :clap2:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Snoops on September 25, 2015, 06:57:56 pm
If you boys fancy a longer one in the dales, you should go for the fellsman. Its a cracking day/night out :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 01, 2015, 01:54:53 pm
A certain dashing young gent on the forum is offering me a Garmin Forerunner 110 for sale. I now understand a little bit more about barometric altimeters and I just wondered by what margin people have found non-barometric versions to be out by when you've accurately known a given elevation (as in the watch above).

I'm not looking to rely on this information in the mountains with said watch but it would be good to understand this issue in a bit more detail. I've also read up on elevation smoothing and how it occurs post run.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 01, 2015, 04:16:26 pm
I find that GPS altimeters for tracking running height gain to be pretty reliable, especially when running in the countryside. In fact, it's usually most out when running in big cities, London is often terrible and can cause your workout to incorporate 100's of m of up and down when in fact almost flat. Can only assume it's the buildings.

Also worth pointing out that barometric altimeters rely on you setting them fairly often and at a known reference, i.e. you know your altitude at a point on the OS map to input. Can be a bit of a nuisance to be honest.

Lastly, any questions I normally have on technology running, biking or swimming kit, I go on a site called DC Rainmaker. Google it and he has loads of reviews of current and past watches so I'm certain there will be a review of the FR110 on there.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 01, 2015, 04:18:34 pm
Here you go, saved you the hassle;

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/07/garmin-forerunner-110-in-depth-product.html


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 01, 2015, 04:59:48 pm
Bigtub, that's brilliant thank you. Just the sort of opinion piece I was looking for. That review is a fantastic piece of writing by the way - very in depth.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Snoops on October 01, 2015, 06:48:32 pm
A certain dashing young gent on the forum is offering me a Garmin Forerunner 110 for sale. I now understand a little bit more about barometric altimeters and I just wondered by what margin people have found non-barometric versions to be out by when you've accurately known a given elevation (as in the watch above).

I'm not looking to rely on this information in the mountains with said watch but it would be good to understand this issue in a bit more detail. I've also read up on elevation smoothing and how it occurs post run.

I actually find them poor when on the hills,but once downloaded at home onto garmin connect or similar they are very accurate
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 01, 2015, 09:20:44 pm
A certain dashing young gent on the forum is offering me a Garmin Forerunner 110 for sale. I now understand a little bit more about barometric altimeters and I just wondered by what margin people have found non-barometric versions to be out by when you've accurately known a given elevation (as in the watch above).

I'm not looking to rely on this information in the mountains with said watch but it would be good to understand this issue in a bit more detail. I've also read up on elevation smoothing and how it occurs post run.

I actually find them poor when on the hills,but once downloaded at home onto garmin connect or similar they are very accurate
Sorry, that's pretty much what I meant too, I never use it to assess altitude when running but if you look at the route profile and highest point reached, and compare to OS, it is basically spot on. FWIW I use a Suunto not a Garmin but expect them all to be in the same ballpark when it comes to accuracy.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 01, 2015, 09:21:48 pm
Bigtub, that's brilliant thank you. Just the sort of opinion piece I was looking for. That review is a fantastic piece of writing by the way - very in depth.
Yep he's a good source of knowledge. And his mini blogs from various parts of the world make a nice read too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Muenchener on October 02, 2015, 06:51:16 am
I'm not looking to rely on this information in the mountains with said watch but it would be good to understand this issue in a bit more detail. I've also read up on elevation smoothing and how it occurs post run.

I actually find them poor when on the hills,but once downloaded at home onto garmin connect or similar they are very accurate

No experience with a dedicated GPS, but with MyTracks on an android phone I've found the absolute altitudes are hopelessly out but the relative height gain measured between known points is ok. Have only used this a few times though; usually I remember to bring my watch.

Presumably the Garmin when it is back home and connected just looks up the measured height of known points on the route? Whereas in the field it's relying on the vertical angle of sight to the satellite(s) to make some kind of guesstimate. So it was explained to me at least.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 02, 2015, 09:36:59 am
I've had a 110 for 2-3 years and pretty happy with it. Elevations seem fine almost all the time and compared to mates that give more flattering numbers.

Ironically the one place it seems to struggle is just around the corner from home. On a road hill I use for bike reps the data always shows a small flat section and dip in a consistently graded climb. I've always assumed the GPS was doing some cross referencing to known (dodgy) mapping. It's consistently off and the hill is fairly open so it shouldn't really be struggling for a signal.

Similarly, just next door there's a steep trail I use for running reps to what you'd think would be a known spot height (top of Frodsham Hill you'll know). I work like a dog up here and it's around a 200' climb through tightly packed contours ...get back and look at the data and my 5x ascents come out with a tame profile and maybe 450' of climbing.

Apart from that, it's great! I'd have one again.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 02, 2015, 12:16:23 pm
That's good feedback Steve, thanks. I took it out last night for a blast on a local segment and around the park. Seems to work perfectly (and easy to get going too!).

Do you mean the steps that run parallel to Hoopla and Fred Nicole buttresses? I had a great hill reps session on there last week. Might have to get myself a decent head torch for winter to keep plugging away at these. Are you on Strava Steve? I've recently joined the cult and am enjoying it.

I think I'm about to take out an annual OS Maps online account for £17.95. As a Mac user, I think this is the only (?) way to see my runs overlaid on to OS maps. Nice interface....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 02, 2015, 02:22:13 pm
Middle walk to the monument the steeper way. I know the steps you mean - 'Lunger Strike' on strava? I have to be feeling ballsy to do reps of those - proper good work-out. Mark Hartell used to use them before he raised the Lakes 24h record. Not clever enough to share my strava profile but joined the UKC group this week so you can see me there. Make allowances for oldness and slowness :P
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 05, 2015, 01:01:47 pm
I'm not clever enough to use UKC Steve ;)

Should we start a UKB Fell Running Strava page? Would anybody be keen?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on October 05, 2015, 02:47:54 pm
I'm not clever enough to use UKC Steve ;)

Should we start a UKB Fell Running Strava page? Would anybody be keen?
If you build it, they will come...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on October 05, 2015, 02:51:51 pm
 :goodidea:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 05, 2015, 03:00:04 pm
Done:

http://www.strava.com/clubs/ukbfellrunningposse (http://www.strava.com/clubs/ukbfellrunningposse)

Join away punks

Disclaimer: The UKB Fell Running Posse is in no way affiliated to UKB, Shark Holdings or any other major enterprise. ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on October 05, 2015, 03:32:16 pm
A fine idea.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 05, 2015, 06:03:11 pm
Will get myself on Strava and be on it. Nice idea.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 05, 2015, 07:26:12 pm
Good to see folk getting involved!

The invitation could be extended to the 'one for the runners' thread if that's still active?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on October 05, 2015, 07:55:49 pm

I'm in!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on October 05, 2015, 08:25:26 pm
In!

Mart from Leek  :wave:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 05, 2015, 08:48:56 pm
I'm in too! Just noticed a certain Mr Franklin in the group already, thought it was Vauxhall Conference not Premier League I was getting in to!


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on October 11, 2015, 07:17:35 pm
May I join then I can also see how crap I am compared to climbers who run as well as people who just run all the time.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 11, 2015, 08:02:47 pm
Retired in the Langdale Horseshoe race yesterday. There's a long list of excuses but ultimately my heart just wasn't in it. This has happened before and I've just jacked in during a race. Hard to put my finger on exactly why. I think maybe I'm still mentally tired from the UTPD back in August. The second I decided to jack it in and drop down to the start I started enjoying myself again. Guess the pressure was off then.
It was lovely day out on fells and great to see the top 5 all in contention coming of Blisco.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 12, 2015, 10:58:08 am
Retired in the Langdale Horseshoe race yesterday. There's a long list of excuses but ultimately my heart just wasn't in it. This has happened before and I've just jacked in during a race. Hard to put my finger on exactly why. I think maybe I'm still mentally tired from the UTPD back in August. The second I decided to jack it in and drop down to the start I started enjoying myself again. Guess the pressure was off then.
It was lovely day out on fells and great to see the top 5 all in contention coming of Blisco.
Sorry to hear that, no surprise about the UTPD still having an effect. More than once when racing, as soon as I've backed off I have really started to enjoy it as opposed to it feeling like burden; maybe that's the way to go is to trot round instead of going full bore.

In other news, I have got my entry for the Marsden to Edale in January accepted again, so if anyone else on here wants to join the fun it would be good to have someone to run with this year, not sure who from my club is in yet so rather not run it alone (not down to navigation, more someone to talk to during the six or so hours to alleviate boredom!)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 12, 2015, 12:46:55 pm
Retired in the Langdale Horseshoe race yesterday. There's a long list of excuses but ultimately my heart just wasn't in it. This has happened before and I've just jacked in during a race. Hard to put my finger on exactly why. I think maybe I'm still mentally tired from the UTPD back in August. The second I decided to jack it in and drop down to the start I started enjoying myself again. Guess the pressure was off then.
It was lovely day out on fells and great to see the top 5 all in contention coming of Blisco.

Glad to hear you enjoyed a nice day out in any event beast. I'm still working up to entering and hopefully next year will finally be the one.

Had a great day out at the Wasdale Show over the weekend and did the Kirk Fell race. Similarly, I had a decent sized list of excuses not to enter and in the end just decided to amble up it and enjoy the stunning views afforded by good visibility. Even saw Joss Naylor which was a great tick.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on October 12, 2015, 01:30:36 pm
Retired in the Langdale Horseshoe race yesterday. There's a long list of excuses but ultimately my heart just wasn't in it. This has happened before and I've just jacked in during a race. Hard to put my finger on exactly why. I think maybe I'm still mentally tired from the UTPD back in August. The second I decided to jack it in and drop down to the start I started enjoying myself again. Guess the pressure was off then.
It was lovely day out on fells and great to see the top 5 all in contention coming of Blisco.

Hard lines. I was supposed to be racing, ended up just going up and taking pictures of the start and runners coming over the Crinkles.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on October 12, 2015, 01:32:39 pm
Glad to hear you enjoyed a nice day out in any event beast. I'm still working up to entering and hopefully next year will finally be the one.

Had a great day out at the Wasdale Show over the weekend and did the Kirk Fell race. Similarly, I had a decent sized list of excuses not to enter and in the end just decided to amble up it and enjoy the stunning views afforded by good visibility. Even saw Joss Naylor which was a great tick.

Langdale's a champs race next year so make sure you get your entry in when they open. A mate of mine was saying there's no point going because it will be chaos at the start, but given as there was a field of about 400 this weekend I can't see it being much different at a champs race.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 12, 2015, 02:57:18 pm
Kirk Fell looks like a beast of an ascent to try and 'run' up. And Langdale looks like a monster of a race - glad you salvaged something good from the day. Breidden Hills for me, Shropshire/Welsh border. Tough little race and a clownish nav error put me amongst boulders, trees and a no man's land of brambles that I just didn't want to reverse. Blood was spilled. I've done it twice before so really no excuse. Anyone else doing the relays this weekend? To my surprise I scraped a place on the Helsby team (green vests) and will be plodding in for Leg 4.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on October 12, 2015, 03:33:35 pm
I was at Langdale on the weekend but felt like death after a few miles. Managed to drag myself round but was far from full speed and I can't say I enjoyed myself unfortunately. Shame as it was a cracking day.

I'm running for Bowland in the relays. Not sure what leg yet but looking like it'll be the long one. Looking forward to it. The half marathon on Sunday, less so.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 12, 2015, 03:44:35 pm
Kirk Fell looks like a beast of an ascent to try and 'run' up.

Trust me, it is! Relentless. Definitely could have taken a fair amount of time off had I have been in nick. Stunning day in the region though and just a joy to be out.

I'm running for Bowland in the relays. Not sure what leg yet but looking like it'll be the long one. Looking forward to it. The half marathon on Sunday, less so.

Wasdale was my first race in Bowland colours wintermute. Recently joined so hope to meet you soon  :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on October 12, 2015, 03:48:12 pm
I'm a newbie too and I've yet to run in the regal green and orange. Having to borrow a vest for the relays whilst they make one small enough for my svelte figure!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 19, 2015, 12:23:48 pm
How'd we get on relayers? I was definitely weakest link in our Helsby mob on Leg 4, but only lost us a handful of places. Ran pretty much the whole thing on my own, which was odd - more like 'going for a run' than racing. People coming past were too quick to hang onto for long and only caught a couple of late nav leg people right at the end. Wasn't you wintermute I was chatting to in the hall, chuckling at the map? https://instagram.com/p/88z4dHNiei/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on October 19, 2015, 01:01:08 pm
Cracking day out - I was on leg 4 as well and ran pretty well. I got to see the leaders coming in past the farm on Barley Hill as I was heading out to CP1 on my leg. What did you make of the descent from CP3 to CP4?

The team (York Knavesmire) did pretty well overall for a club that has to drive for an hour to find any hills to train on! We made up a few places on last year, but still just outside the top 50. One of our leg 3 runners had a shocker which maybe lost us about 5-10 places.

I was well pleased to beat Annie Conway's time on the last leg - although to be fair, she had little to run for as Ambleside had wrapped up the ladies title by then.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 19, 2015, 01:12:07 pm
Top work! I made a right meal of that descent to CP4 - braking hard all the way. Might have been different if I'd been chasing people ...or maybe not! Really enjoyed the stretch after and the sting in the tail somewhat. All set to compare notes with our women's leg 4 but she apparently had a blinder and skipped past 4 or 5 people on the descent. Another great day from CLEM. Like the end of term party for fell running.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on October 19, 2015, 07:46:43 pm
Wasn't me I'm afraid Steve. Was it a Bowland member you were speaking to?

First year at the relays (and at running) so didn't really know what to expect, but it was great fun.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 19, 2015, 11:21:43 pm
Yep, your leg 4 guy - long hair, lives in Carnforth?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on October 20, 2015, 06:18:11 am
Ah, that'd be sam. I was the shorter half of leg 2.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on November 30, 2015, 11:57:26 am
Sunday was a lovely day to be out on the hills........... Did the Rab Minin which was my first score class event. Top tip, if the rules state you lose all your points if you're 30 minutes over, don't finish 38 minutes over.

Apart from that, I really enjoyed it, especially the fist 3hrs and will be a little less ambitious next time.

Stabbsy, how did the relays go?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on November 30, 2015, 12:34:44 pm
Not sure "lovely" would be my choice of words - the weather at the relays was wild. Based on 55mph winds and rain showers, I decided to start my leg in my waterproof - very good decision! I got on to the tops at the same time as a hail storm started and got blasted for 10 mins which was fairly painful. I think I got blown over once, fell over twice and fell into one bog, plus waded up to my waist in an impromptu river. Really tough course in those conditions, but would great running if it was a bit drier and less windy. I think we ended up 8th out of about 90 teams, plus we had a high finish in the ladies and mixed events.

Looked like there were quite a few injuries and a couple of cases of mild hypothermia, including some really experienced guys who should know better. One of those days that will be a great experience to look back on, but wasn't my best day out on the hills!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on November 30, 2015, 01:01:53 pm
Sounds "challeging"...... No hypothermia on the Rab but people did look pretty well kitted out. I guess the "nav" part of the race makes people realise they might be stood around a bit.

On my "fast" run back to the finish i ended up staggering across a peat bog, straight into the wind and hail at which point one leg disappeared up to my thigh and then my hamstring cramped up as I tried to pull it out! Had a couple of sketchy river crossings too.
Title: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on November 30, 2015, 01:32:25 pm
Sunday was a lovely day to be out on the hills........... Did the Rab Minin which was my first score class event. Top tip, if the rules state you lose all your points if you're 30 minutes over, don't finish 38 minutes over.

Apart from that, I really enjoyed it, especially the fist 3hrs and will be a little less ambitious next time.

They're great events, done them as a pair for the last few years (missed this one though) but moving to doing them solo next year.

Timing and pacing as you say is everything. I seem to have a good knack of pacing and judging time between checkpoints well, and have never had a time penalty but equally always finished within 3 or 4 minutes of the time limit. Managed as close as 6 seconds one event. Other main thing I've learned has to be to stick to your plan of route or at least general clockwise or anti-clockwise route from the start, giving yourself a few options at the end to drop or include checkpoints depending on pace.

Looking forward to the ones next year, first Peak one is on February I think. 


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on November 30, 2015, 02:02:22 pm
Any eagle-eyed FRA members out there will have seen the Fellrunner land through their letterbox this week. There's a little mention about the Studmarks project written by my cohort Robert White.

So far, all scanned and OCRing our way through it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on December 11, 2015, 10:28:11 am

Litton Christmas Cracker this weekend anyone? Look like it might be a tad damp...... I shall be there with a reasonably large group from Chorlton where I imagine we shall be mostly bringing up the rear.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on December 11, 2015, 10:36:26 am
For anyone (like me) who thought they'd enter on the day. It's already full.
http://tideswellrunningclub.uk/club-events/litton-christmas-cracker/ (http://tideswellrunningclub.uk/club-events/litton-christmas-cracker/)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on December 11, 2015, 10:54:50 am

For anyone (like me) who thought they'd enter on the day. It's already full.
http://tideswellrunningclub.uk/club-events/litton-christmas-cracker/ (http://tideswellrunningclub.uk/club-events/litton-christmas-cracker/)
saw that too Plattsy, I'm away on holiday so wouldn't be able to do it but will definitely put it on my list for next year. You could always join the Trigger recce heading over Bleaklow on Sunday with the club, looks like Richard Snowden is leading it. Should be fun as there may even be snow on the ground from tomorrow.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on December 11, 2015, 11:12:11 am
For anyone (like me) who thought they'd enter on the day. It's already full.
http://tideswellrunningclub.uk/club-events/litton-christmas-cracker/ (http://tideswellrunningclub.uk/club-events/litton-christmas-cracker/)

Oops, so it is, sorry! If anyone's down at Rubicon they might be in for a shock.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on December 14, 2015, 04:15:45 pm

Litton Christmas Cracker this weekend anyone? Look like it might be a tad damp...... I shall be there with a reasonably large group from Chorlton where I imagine we shall be mostly bringing up the rear.

Fun race, the paddle past Rubicon especially. Looked like a good turn out from Chrolton.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on December 15, 2015, 02:01:29 pm
Fun race, the paddle past Rubicon especially. Looked like a good turn out from Chrolton.

Yep, very good, though my legs got pretty chilly making the slog up the road from cragx Mill a little testing. Found the contouring descent tricky with the mud and the more than slightly worn studs on my shoes didn't help, didn't make up the time I'd have hoped on the descents in general and have realised my legs are weak but..... I still really enjoyed it. Good food in the Red Lion after too!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Muenchener on January 06, 2016, 08:22:09 am
A mate of mine is talking about doing the Dragon's Back next year. He's a reasonably fit mountaineer but has afaik no competitive off road running experience, let alone hard multi day ultras. I take it he's not going to die, but he might be completely wasting his time.

Assuming he completely devotes his life to off road running training for the next year and a half - thus depriving me of a regular cilmbing partner  >:( - should I encourage him and volunteer to be his support team, or try to talk him out of his madness?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Graeme78 on January 06, 2016, 08:30:00 am
Depends what the entry criteria are. Some races have quite a strict vetting process, for instance the Glencoe Sky race, where they will check what prior experience you have. Best advice, contact Shane Ohly and see what he says.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on January 06, 2016, 08:30:25 am
Quite a tight timescale to go from not much experience to Dragon's Back!  It's only 300km, but the 16km of ascent and the nature of the turf is a game changer.
May be worth looking at getting other events under his belt this year and 2016 and going for 2017.  A lot of money if you aren't ready!

Depends what the entry criteria are.

EDIT: First come, first served IIRC - no specific criteria as long as you sign the declaration.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on January 06, 2016, 09:39:44 am

It's a lot harder than a "trail" ultra/multi stage event and some pretty fit and experienced people get broken by it. The terrain and nav are harder than just plodding along a way-marked trail. It's a BIG event.

Having said that, I know of people who have the mental fortitude that, baring injury, would be able to complete the course with that length of prep. It depends on the person and their commitment to the preparation. If he's willing to be running on five or six days a week with multiple weekends away to longer and longer races over comparable terrain then yes, why not.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on January 06, 2016, 09:53:25 am

So, what are people's plans for 2016? I had a poor showing on New Year's Eve at Bowstones (lovely race, easy terrain but running aorund Lyme park is very pretty) so keen to have a better showing this year.


So, in light of my last point, what ALs in the Lakes should I look at? Maybe after the start of June in order to milk any fitness gained on the highlander?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on January 06, 2016, 10:47:55 am
Good list here (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?dist=al), although I'm sure you've seen it.

The Pendle ones (whilst not Lakeland) are supposedly good value, along with the usual suspects of Ennerdale/ Wasdale etc.  Clif Bar 10 I have heard good things about, but not done it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 06, 2016, 02:35:39 pm

So, what are people's plans for 2016?

  • A proper Lakes AL.

So, in light of my last point, what ALs in the Lakes should I look at? Maybe after the start of June in order to milk any fitness gained on the highlander?

I'm also really keen to get a few done later in the year beast. Langdale has to be done this year I think and the Ennerdale would be a good one to aim for.

I really, really recommend the Arenig Fawr race (AM) organised by the legend that is Yiannis Tridimas. It was my first ever fell race and it was absolutely brilliant. Beautiful setting and variety of terrain (scree, bog, heather, gully etc.):

http://yiannistridimas.webs.com (http://yiannistridimas.webs.com)

I'm pretty certain I'll go back to Gosforth for my birthday weekend in October to better my time in the Wasdale Show race - flat out up and down Kirk Fell was pretty intense. Saw Joss Naylor there too which was a nice tick.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 06, 2016, 03:13:33 pm
I've got plans to do most of the English Champs races. Already got a place at Black Combe in March and (I think) Up The Nab in May. Also hoping to do Pendle 3 Peaks and Langdale (it's in the champs this year, so will fill up quickly). Probably won't score any points though.

Other races on the list are High Cup Nick, Yorkshire 3 Peaks, Kinder Trog and Duddon. Then the two relays, Calderdale in May and the national relays (Loch Lomond this year) in September. It's going to be a busy year!

On the Lakes longs, my club mates suggest Langdale is the easiest, followed by Duddon and then possibly Borrowdale. Wasdale and Ennerdale are meant to be the hardest. Probably missed one out of those.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on January 07, 2016, 01:08:18 pm
A mate of mine is talking about doing the Dragon's Back next year...

One of my running mates did the 1st (of the reboots) and helped out on the 2nd ...running quite a lot of each stretch to flag, etc. My take on it is that it's Flipping Hard and has a huge drop-out rate. When you bear in mind that Day 1 is longer and tougher than a Welsh 3000s and then it gets more off-piste in the mid-section. Chris was towards the bottom of the timed finishers and was in sub-20h Bob Graham shape at the time. Went from the finish straight to hospital to have his feet treated. Brilliant event - don't let me him off though :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on January 07, 2016, 01:13:16 pm
Whilst we're on, this might be some light relief to the constant rain and mud here - Dave MacLeod's ace new running film. Warning, may induce envy:

https://vimeo.com/149214499
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 07, 2016, 10:24:58 pm
Cheers for the vid Steve, not all envious!  ;)

2015 turned into a bit of an annus horribilis for me on a personal level (mother suffered an aneurysm in March and has only just been discharged, and my bro' was diagnosed and later succumbed to cancer in November) so a lot of time was spent travelling and visiting family. So not much racing went on towards the back end of last year for me. That said I did enjoy doing Rivington Pike fell race for being a classic, Accrington 10k for being alongside Ron Hill on the start line and a highlight being a wee trail race in my home town of Chorley which gave me my first win!

So, I'm gonna carry over last years objectives which is do more races I haven't done, go a little longer with a view to doing races of the ilk of Y3P or the Lakes classics for example.

About to send a cheque off for Kinder Downfall race in April...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on January 08, 2016, 08:03:54 am
About to send a cheque off for Kinder Downfall race in April...

Are entries open? I'm keen for that as it doesn't clash with the Highlander this year and erm, sam usually does it
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 08, 2016, 08:22:19 am
About to send a cheque off for Kinder Downfall race in April...

Are entries open? I'm keen for that as it doesn't clash with the Highlander this year and erm, sam usually does it

Yes (http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showthread.php?22971-Kinder-Downfall-2016), opened earlier this week. Unfortunately after posting above I realised I go away on holiday that same day - gutted I'll miss it for another year! It'd be good to get  UKB possie there.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: erm, sam on January 08, 2016, 08:49:29 am
I've sent my cheque off for the Downfall.. Psyched you are finally able to do it Galpo.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on January 08, 2016, 09:01:52 am
I've sent my cheque off for the Downfall.. Psyched you are finally able to do it Galpo.

Cheers for the heads up........

I think Tim (my Highlander buddy) will be coming up too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Muenchener on January 08, 2016, 09:21:46 am
A mate of mine is talking about doing the Dragon's Back next year...

One of my running mates did the 1st (of the reboots) and helped out on the 2nd ...running quite a lot of each stretch to flag, etc. My take on it is that it's Flipping Hard and has a huge drop-out rate. When you bear in mind that Day 1 is longer and tougher than a Welsh 3000s and then it gets more off-piste in the mid-section. Chris was towards the bottom of the timed finishers and was in sub-20h Bob Graham shape at the time. Went from the finish straight to hospital to have his feet treated. Brilliant event - don't let me him off though :)

Well, he's signed up for a single day ultra in the Alps in the spring so it looks like he means it. I suspect that, while trail running in the Alps is probably great aerobic training with longer continuous height gains than in Wales, he has absolutely no idea just how unlike the average alpine path the Rhinogs are.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 08, 2016, 09:51:11 am
So, I'm gonna carry over last years objectives which is do more races I haven't done, go a little longer with a view to doing races of the ilk of Y3P or the Lakes classics for example.

About to send a cheque off for Kinder Downfall race in April...

Just spotted the Downfall race in the calendar, so might do this as final prep for the 3 Peaks. Was originally going to do Coledale Horseshoe or Anniversary Waltz, but I'm probably going to go to Spain instead.

Martin - If you decide on 3 Peaks, entries open end-Jan. I'll be heading that way for some training/recce runs over the next few months.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on January 08, 2016, 01:18:10 pm
Only Lakes AL I've done is the Teenager with Altitude which was brilliant, great route, really low key with a good atmosphere, well organised, if with a brutal amount of ascent and descent. Its at the same time as the Anniversary Waltz.

Planning to do the Yorkshire Three Peaks and Wasdale Horseshoe this year, might do Glencoe skyline again, hopefully end up less injured than last year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: al on January 08, 2016, 02:44:30 pm
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So, what are people's plans for 2016?
starting with my usual under-prepared tigger tor end of jan, could be a mud bath but its always great to shake off the cobwebs at this! also love kinder downfall too, best race in the peak IMHO - must get used to pre-entry only these days and send off the ££ - also would like to do a welsh race, the Arenig Fawr sounds good...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on January 08, 2016, 07:10:00 pm
This is going to be my first full year of running, so true to form I'm going to get carried away and probably do myself a mischief...

My main goal for the year is to get into the fell running report section of the Wezzy Gezzy.

Then, to a lesser extent, the Kendal winter league, English champs, Lakeland classics and as many other fine looking races as I can squeeze in basically.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 08, 2016, 08:34:04 pm
High Peak Marathon in March. Slightly terrified at the prospect. Also plan to do the Peak Intro Ultra properly this year after last years mess of having to go to a christening instead after training for it solidly for 4 months (not religious in the slightest but ended up running the course the week before anyway). Probably do Round Sheffield Run or Trailrush again as like the route. Other than that, usual suspects of evening summer series of Peak races like Burbage Skyline, Castleton, etc. Oh, and Sheffield half marathon somewhere in the amongst that lot.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 09, 2016, 09:44:25 am
First race for me will be in a couple of weeks, Ashurst Beacon (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4281) near to Skelmersdale. It may not be a classic, but it's close to my folks and gentle introduction for not having too much racing in my legs. Should be fairly close to the likes of Monolith, Steveri...???
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on January 09, 2016, 10:20:01 am
I'd have signed my lardy arse up for that, but I'm busy!  Bugger.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 09, 2016, 11:12:55 pm
2015 turned into a bit of an annus horribilis for me on a personal level

I'm really sorry to hear this beast and sending 100% positive and delightful vibes your way for 2016. Stay strong and run hard.

First race for me will be in a couple of weeks, Ashurst Beacon (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4281) near to Skelmersdale. It may not be a classic, but it's close to my folks and gentle introduction for not having too much racing in my legs. Should be fairly close to the likes of Monolith, Steveri...???

Indeed it is close! I might very well be keen for this though I have zero hills in my legs at present from two weeks out in The Bahamas drinking beer and snorkelling. I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on January 11, 2016, 03:23:42 pm
Ashurt Beacon very lightly pencilled in - busy both days next weekend with the Four Villages race. Weekend of 30 should be Northern xc champs, so might be due some home time over the Ashurst weekend. Kinder Downfall was one of my first races and a good one, might look at doing that again?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on January 12, 2016, 11:07:07 pm
Anyone else following the Spine Race with great interest and thinking "that looks an amazing event to have a crack at!!"? Inspiring!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 13, 2016, 06:10:04 am
Anyone else following the Spine Race with great interest and thinking "that looks an amazing event to have a crack at!!"? Inspiring!

Yes. No.  :o :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mrconners on January 13, 2016, 07:15:37 am
 Brutal.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on January 18, 2016, 09:39:19 am
Anyone else following the Spine Race with great interest and thinking "that looks an amazing event to have a crack at!!"? Inspiring!

It looks like a great event and I was glued to the moving dots all last week and enjoyed the daily video updates on their facebook page.  Eoin knocking 15 hours off the record was incredible, and Javed Bhatti is now doing the return journey back to Edale  :jaw: I reckon he must have dropped his keys somewhere
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 21, 2016, 10:03:03 pm
First race for me will be in a couple of weeks, Ashurst Beacon (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4281) ......

Looks like I'm gonna fail on my own shout out! Picked up a bit of a niggle on the outside of my left knee during a long run out a couple of weeks ago which doesn't seem to be abating. Visiting the physio' tomorrow, but doubt that will quite be in time to recover before Saturday.

I know there are some pretty handy runners on here going off the Strava group set up by Mono' who getting plenty of both miles and ascent each week - do any of you supplement this with stretching / rollering / cross training to keep the niggles at bay??
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 21, 2016, 10:19:34 pm
First race for me will be in a couple of weeks, Ashurst Beacon (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4281) ......

Looks like I'm gonna fail on my own shout out! Picked up a bit of a niggle on the outside of my left knee during a long run out a couple of weeks ago which doesn't seem to be abating. Visiting the physio' tomorrow, but doubt that will quite be in time to recover before Saturday.

I know there are some pretty handy runners on here going off the Strava group set up by Mono' who getting plenty of both miles and ascent each week - do any of you supplement this with stretching / rollering / cross training to keep the niggles at bay??
Sorry to hear about the niggle.

I'm far from a handy runner but try to do a bit of stretching after a run, in particular focussing on hamstrings and hip flexors as they tend to be the problem areas for me. Only foam roller if I have specific niggle or problem to loosen off. Don't really cross train but try to mix my running up int terms of fell and occasional road. With knee stability problems and niggles in the past i've done single leg partial squats concentrating on keeping hips level as opposed to how far you dip. But see what the physio says of course!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on January 22, 2016, 08:59:36 am
I'm not handy and do most of my running on the road at the mo but......

I get fewer niggles when running with my club as we always warm up, warm down and stretch. It’s something I struggle to do on my own but it makes a massive difference. The club run is normally a slower first mile, 4-5 at whatever pace we are doing then a slower final mile followed by “formal” stretching lead by the run leader. I noticed that the faster the runner, the better they were at warming up and stretching, i.e. doing things properly. The sub 6 minute mile chaps are very regimented!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 22, 2016, 05:22:04 pm
I've gotta say, I do find human bio-mechanics fascinating!

Went to see my physio' today, who himself is no slouch in the world of running and is a great guy to chat to. The complaint was a niggle right on the outside edge of the left knee. His target of attack was right in the arse cheeks at the source of the notorious IT band, nowhere near the point of discomfort! I experienced similar last time I went to visit over a calf strain and mentioned that occasionally I get a tingling on the top side of one of my feet. The source was way up in the shin muscle getting tight around one of the nerves which manifested the issue much lower down. Love that connectivity kinda shit!

I'm sure I'm like many others who baulk at laying out cash to see specialists and would sometimes see if the injury will go away given time and rest, but more often than not its worth the few notes to see someone who knows what they are actually talking about. Walked away with some exercises, stretches and a golf ball to do some rollering with. Back on it hopefully next week!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on January 23, 2016, 05:16:56 pm
I am far from handy as witnessed by today's run (see later) and get niggles as soon as a I do much road, so I don't. Always mix in a bit of biking, stretch half heartedly and roll with evil spikey ball thing occasionaly. I'm sure it got rid of a tweaked calf muscle more quickly using it. Running uphill and biking uphill are great crossovers, I think less so if you're after all out speed on flat or rolling terrain.

I made the start of Ashurst Beacon today, thinking I could get a sneaky low key race under my belt only to find a few club mates with the same idea. Hard work, more trail race than fell but a tough and muddy course with maybe 850' of climbing. 2 mile climb to finish! Assume mini/monolith didn't make it - only 1 bowland vest I saw.

Oh and apols for stealing your meme Tom!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 24, 2016, 08:31:02 pm
I made the start of Ashurst Beacon today, thinking I could get a sneaky low key race under my belt only to find a few club mates with the same idea. Hard work, more trail race than fell but a tough and muddy course with maybe 850' of climbing. 2 mile climb to finish! Assume mini/monolith didn't make it - only 1 bowland vest I saw.

Glad you made it Steve. I'd heard prior that the race race was more trail than a full on outer fell race, but they are always good to get under the belt regardless. Unfortunately I've a a few niggles over the last couple of week (see above) so was a bit gutted not to make it. Parbold Hilly next up for me in a few weeks time, I'm sure I'll see some of your club vests there?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 25, 2016, 10:12:14 am
I made the start of Ashurst Beacon today, thinking I could get a sneaky low key race under my belt only to find a few club mates with the same idea. Hard work, more trail race than fell but a tough and muddy course with maybe 850' of climbing. 2 mile climb to finish! Assume mini/monolith didn't make it - only 1 bowland vest I saw.

Oh and apols for stealing your meme Tom!

I was on border collie bootcamp duties this weekend. Getting the little lady ready to join me on a few long mountain reccees. Sounds like it was a pleasant day out if not as 'intense' as some of us might have liked.

Steal away on the meme Steve!

I've registered for Black Combe and am going to commit to the Anniversary Waltz, Fairfield, Langdale and Wasdale. Endless hill reps and descents for the next two months.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 27, 2016, 11:37:48 am
I should have this Sunday free for a day out. Does anybody have any plans? I plan to recce the Black Combe course as soon as conditions are beneficial to glean anything.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on January 27, 2016, 12:48:13 pm
Tigger Tor on Sunday for me. First proper race for about a year. A couple of route changes mean I can't compare performance to previous efforts at this event though I'll be looking for stronger efforts on the hills i.e. no walking.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 27, 2016, 07:01:41 pm

Tigger Tor on Sunday for me. First proper race for about a year. A couple of route changes mean I can't compare performance to previous efforts at this event though I'll be looking for stronger efforts on the hills i.e. no walking.
still contemplating putting in for it as not sure it's the best race preparation for HPM which requires going a fair bit slower for a whole lot longer. Might do it anyway but entries close tomorrow I think so need to make my mind up soon.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on January 28, 2016, 03:39:30 pm
Northern XC Champs for me this Sat - what was I thinking - Sun, I'll be licking my wounds and drinking heavily. Went out on the hill this morning, pretty much as slow as ever (I blame the mud). Something better change. On the plus side just had the all clear on some cardiac tests, so one less excuse I guess and haven't really been training much for a while, so there must be some improvements to be had.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 28, 2016, 06:22:34 pm
Northern XC for me as well - assuming the slight hip niggle I have is OK when I do a light session tomorrow. I've got a couple of possible weekends lined up for a Black Combe recce - hopefully the weather will play ball.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 29, 2016, 08:20:35 am
No Black Combes for me, but I've thrown my hat into the ring earlier this week to do Up The Nab (entries via Sportsoft) and on the waiting list for Pendle 3 Peaks. Amazed the 600 limit has been met for a race in August, despite being a Champs race. Anyone get in for this?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 29, 2016, 10:15:29 am
Also in Up The Nab  - should have a bit of local support as my sister lives just below the Nab. Also got into Pendle - the relays were so good last year and wanted a chance to run some of those hills again.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on January 29, 2016, 11:31:05 am
Remind of your club Stabbsy - Staffs Moorlands and you have a beard? Helsby green vest here, also bearded. Say hello when you lap me :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 29, 2016, 12:34:26 pm
Remind of your club Stabbsy - Staffs Moorlands and you have a beard? Helsby green vest here, also bearded. Say hello when you lap me :)

I think the chap your describing here is my good self  ;D

Stabbsy runs for Knavesmire Harriers and will be the one doing any lapping!  ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 29, 2016, 04:24:20 pm
Remind of your club Stabbsy - Staffs Moorlands and you have a beard? Helsby green vest here, also bearded. Say hello when you lap me :)

I think the chap your describing here is my good self  ;D

Stabbsy runs for Knavesmire Harriers and will be the one doing any lapping!  ;)

No beard for me and the yellow/black quarters of Knavesmire (as mini correctly pointed out). There will be about 15 of us there - quite a good turnout for us. I'll keep an eye out...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on February 01, 2016, 01:28:20 pm

Tigger Tor on Sunday for me. First proper race for about a year. A couple of route changes mean I can't compare performance to previous efforts at this event though I'll be looking for stronger efforts on the hills i.e. no walking.
still contemplating putting in for it as not sure it's the best race preparation for HPM which requires going a fair bit slower for a whole lot longer. Might do it anyway but entries close tomorrow I think so need to make my mind up soon.


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Didn't end up doing Tigger Tor, how was it Plattsy? I ended up doing a 3 hour 45 min run from home up Win Hill, then Lose Hill, then along just below the ridge (too windy and cold on top) in to Castleton and back along the river. Was really tough going, constant rain, deep mud and had a rucksack with full HPM kit in it (sleeping bag, shelter, food, water, spare jacket, first aid kit and torch). Still, figured that being miserable for just short of 4 hours is what I needed to mentally prepare myself for doing the same at night for about 12 hours.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on February 02, 2016, 12:44:43 pm
Just a shoutout for the 'Trail and Mountain Running' book by Sarah Rowell and Wendy Dodds. I picked it up the other week and it's a really nice set out book on the subject. The only thing in it I've potentially found fault with so far pertains to tick advice; it's mentioned that petroleum jelly (and something else) is a "failsafe method" other than using tweezers. Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard this is absolutely not good advice!?

Also, living in Liverpool, we're about one hour from a great range of hills and mountains without having any on our doorstep. Would anybody have a recommendation for a sample week's training plan that I could take a look at in the run up to the Black Combe race on 12th March? It'd be nice to get an optimal outcome for a suburbanite on the day. I can get a day out in the hills of a weekend and access to a 100ft ascent road over about 400m during the week.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on February 02, 2016, 08:32:57 pm
Just a shoutout for the 'Trail and Mountain Running' book by Sarah Rowell and Wendy Dodds. I picked it up the other week and it's a really nice set out book on the subject. The only thing in it I've potentially found fault with so far pertains to tick advice; it's mentioned that petroleum jelly (and something else) is a "failsafe method" other than using tweezers. Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard this is absolutely not good advice!?

Firstly, neither of the above are suitable ways of removing ticks. Smothering them with petroleum jelly basically suffocates them, meaning they can vomit back into your blood stream with obvious infection issues. Tweezers can leave the head behind (they clamp on pretty damned hard!!) and likewise get infected. I have these O'Tom Tick Removers (http://www.otom.com/how-to-remove-a-tick) which I've found pretty fool proof on my pooch. For the price of a pint on the usual channels you can't go wrong.

As for training, I don't have any real plans as such, and I'm sure others will be along soon enough. But, I typically tend to do one quality session a week on say a Tuesday, either hill reps on the hill you mentioned, or do a tempo run along canals / park / road as best suits your local. Other mid week runs are just getting out and running as suits your availability, easy or a little faster if you feel like it on a say a Thursday. Add onto that your long weekend fun runs in for the enjoyment of it all. Black Coombe's at the end of March (?) so maybe too short to get a realistic scheduled plan together.

As for long term training plans, I've just browsed over this training plan (http://www.runbayou.com/ArthurLydiard.pdf) by Aurthur Lydiard what my physio mentioned 'tuther week. Some interesting ideas in there, but generally based on a good solid foundation of 16 weeks of just running before building up to any interval work. Apparently good if you want to peak for a few weeks rather than for short period (and checking some of the local strong runners on Strava they seem to following a similar pattern with some strong results). In essence, get out there and run!

Hope that helps more than confuses!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on February 03, 2016, 07:16:07 am
Tom, I'm in no way qualified to offer any advice, but nonetheless... I wouldn't worry too much about a regimented training plan. I reckon just getting out running as much as you can would be the best thing to do. In a given week, try and do a long slow run, a sustained effort, and a short fast one or some intervals (Park runs are ideal). Any other runs just see how you feel and run accordingly. Obviously the more hills you can get in the better, but that might not be easily achieved if there's none nearby!

For Black Combe specifically, I'd try and do a few races this month as good way to get some hill and speed work in; Bleasdale Circle, Flower Scar or High Cup Nick all look like good contenders. I'm sure there are more in Yorkshire/Peak direction but I haven't looked.

Also, try and get a lot of downhill effort in before BC. Most people are shockingly bad uphill but on that race particularly, it looks like the long, fast run in where a lot of overtaking will happen!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on February 03, 2016, 12:04:07 pm
Just a shoutout for the 'Trail and Mountain Running' book by Sarah Rowell and Wendy Dodds. I picked it up the other week and it's a really nice set out book on the subject. The only thing in it I've potentially found fault with so far pertains to tick advice; it's mentioned that petroleum jelly (and something else) is a "failsafe method" other than using tweezers. Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard this is absolutely not good advice!?

Firstly, neither of the above are suitable ways of removing ticks. Smothering them with petroleum jelly basically suffocates them, meaning they can vomit back into your blood stream with obvious infection issues. Tweezers can leave the head behind

Apologies mini, I didn't write my point very well; the book was suggesting tweezers. I'm fairly well genned up on the tick scene these days and have about 5 of those tick twisters and a flatpack of antiseptic wipes in my car at all times. I was pretty surprised this was written in the book given that I read Wendy is an experienced medic. Not to pour scorn on her training points though which are reading very well so far.

Thanks both for your thoughts on the training front. I've decided to follow one of the ones in the book with a few modifications to suit my lifestyle. It feels nice to have some sort of structure and I definitely thrive best working in this way.

I'm certainly not going to place anywhere credible at BC but simply looking to enjoy the day out. Hope to see some of you soon.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on February 10, 2016, 01:46:44 pm

Tigger Tor on Sunday for me. First proper race for about a year. A couple of route changes mean I can't compare performance to previous efforts at this event though I'll be looking for stronger efforts on the hills i.e. no walking.
still contemplating putting in for it as not sure it's the best race preparation for HPM which requires going a fair bit slower for a whole lot longer. Might do it anyway but entries close tomorrow I think so need to make my mind up soon.


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Didn't end up doing Tigger Tor, how was it Plattsy? I ended up doing a 3 hour 45 min run from home up Win Hill, then Lose Hill, then along just below the ridge (too windy and cold on top) in to Castleton and back along the river. Was really tough going, constant rain, deep mud and had a rucksack with full HPM kit in it (sleeping bag, shelter, food, water, spare jacket, first aid kit and torch). Still, figured that being miserable for just short of 4 hours is what I needed to mentally prepare myself for doing the same at night for about 12 hours.
It was grim.
I thoroughly enjoyed it in a type 2 fun sort of way.
Sounds like your training is going well. Just keep picking horribly grim days for a long run and the HPM will be a doddle.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Muenchener on February 11, 2016, 08:16:42 pm
This isn't really a fell running question, but I think it's close enough and if it isn't then the powers that be can do that thread split thing. Anyways ...

The swine at Inov8 appear to have stopped making the Flyroc 310, my favourite piece of mountain footwear ever that fits my feet absolutely perfectly. Twunts.

What's the same shape? Doesn't have to be from Inov8, since they clearly can't be relied upon.

Low cut sides of the heel are important as I have very prominent heel bones and many trail shoes I've tried, including some Inov8's (but not the Flyroc) press painfully here. Iirc I couldn't wear the Roclites for that reason.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on February 11, 2016, 08:20:33 pm


Tigger Tor on Sunday for me. First proper race for about a year. A couple of route changes mean I can't compare performance to previous efforts at this event though I'll be looking for stronger efforts on the hills i.e. no walking.
still contemplating putting in for it as not sure it's the best race preparation for HPM which requires going a fair bit slower for a whole lot longer. Might do it anyway but entries close tomorrow I think so need to make my mind up soon.


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Didn't end up doing Tigger Tor, how was it Plattsy? I ended up doing a 3 hour 45 min run from home up Win Hill, then Lose Hill, then along just below the ridge (too windy and cold on top) in to Castleton and back along the river. Was really tough going, constant rain, deep mud and had a rucksack with full HPM kit in it (sleeping bag, shelter, food, water, spare jacket, first aid kit and torch). Still, figured that being miserable for just short of 4 hours is what I needed to mentally prepare myself for doing the same at night for about 12 hours.
It was grim.
I thoroughly enjoyed it in a type 2 fun sort of way.
Sounds like your training is going well. Just keep picking horribly grim days for a long run and the HPM will be a doddle.
thanks Plattsy, did another 4 hours up on Derwent Edge with the team on Tuesday, about 16 miles in the wind and light snow. Perfect training as you say!


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on February 25, 2016, 10:12:28 pm
Spotted THIS (http://"http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0720zkz") on the iPlayer tonight. An hour long programme, The Adventure Show, covering the Jedburgh Three Peaks Ultra Marathon. Worth checking out for some coverage of last years Glen Coe Skyrace and some psychology that can help on longer (or indeed shorter) runs.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 09, 2016, 03:26:19 pm
Who's in for Black Combe on Saturday then? I'm camping over on Friday night with a friend at Silecroft and we'll likely grab a pint nearby if anybody cared to join us.
Title: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on March 09, 2016, 07:51:27 pm
Have a good race Mono, won't be there myself this weekend as have to be in Sheffield. In a big of a limbo with regards races at the moment, High Peak Marathon was cancelled with about 8 hours notice due to the snow at the weekend. Real shame for the race organisers and all those who'd built up to the day. So, wondering what to do with my slow but very reasonable endurance running I've built up. Not much use for the half marathon I've got in about five weeks.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Snoops on March 09, 2016, 10:21:31 pm
Keep it ticking over and do the Fellsman in April. I've done both several times, and the fellsman's top draw ;D
Title: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on March 10, 2016, 07:55:25 am
Keep it ticking over and do the Fellsman in April. I've done both several times, and the fellsman's top draw ;D
cheers Snoops I'll take a look, not a race I've done before so be good to do a new one.

Edit: just looked at the course. 60 miles! I thought HPM was long at 42...! Erm.......


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 10, 2016, 08:37:34 am
I'm thinking about doing Wolf's Pit, which would be my first ever fell race. Would this be a reasonable choice? I've only really been running the past 8 weeks, but virtually all in the Peak and half of that in the evenings by headtorch. Mainly 10 - 12Km at a steady pace (e.g. Cutthroat Bridge to Back Tor and return), so my aim would be to get round and just to experience an 'event'. What's the terrain like on Shatton Moor and would there be much running on unmarked / heathery ground? Any general tips / advice? Thanks!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on March 10, 2016, 08:56:57 am
I'm thinking about doing Wolf's Pit, which would be my first ever fell race. Would this be a reasonable choice? I've only really been running the past 8 weeks, but virtually all in the Peak and half of that in the evenings by headtorch. Mainly 10 - 12Km at a steady pace (e.g. Cutthroat Bridge to Back Tor and return), so my aim would be to get round and just to experience an 'event'. What's the terrain like on Shatton Moor and would there be much running on unmarked / heathery ground? Any general tips / advice? Thanks!

I did it last year and loved it.  You start in a field in Shatton and then go straight up the hill to the mast on top, this is over tussocky grassland like you can see in the pictures (http://wolfspitfellrace.org.uk/index.php/wolf-s-pit-2015/32-some-photos).  Then it's round a well trodden path/gravel track around the top and back down the hill to the finish.  It's all well marked and marshals directing you.

Remember you need full kit and they were checking last year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on March 10, 2016, 08:57:06 am
Who's in for Black Combe on Saturday then? I'm camping over on Friday night with a friend at Silecroft and we'll likely grab a pint nearby if anybody cared to join us.
I'll be there, but staying with a mate in Kendal the night before. I'll maybe catch you afterwards for tea and medals.

So, wondering what to do with my slow but very reasonable endurance running I've built up. Not much use for the half marathon I've got in about five weeks.

I've entered this as 3 Peaks training, 1st weekend in April :-

https://www.ldwa.org.uk/Nidderdale/M/333/blubberhouses-25.html

Slightly misnamed as it's only 23 miles-ish. Not as wild or long as HPM, but decent course (ran a big chunk of it on Sunday). Goes from the Washburn Valley to Bolton Abbey and back via some trail, moorland and permissive tracks by reservoirs.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on March 10, 2016, 09:03:58 am
Cheers Stabbsy I'll take a look at that. Not far from where my sister lives in Otley so could always score a few family points in the good books and combine the visit.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on March 10, 2016, 09:05:18 am

I'm thinking about doing Wolf's Pit, which would be my first ever fell race. Would this be a reasonable choice? I've only really been running the past 8 weeks, but virtually all in the Peak and half of that in the evenings by headtorch. Mainly 10 - 12Km at a steady pace (e.g. Cutthroat Bridge to Back Tor and return), so my aim would be to get round and just to experience an 'event'. What's the terrain like on Shatton Moor and would there be much running on unmarked / heathery ground? Any general tips / advice? Thanks!

I did it last year and loved it.  You start in a field in Shatton and then go straight up the hill to the mast on top, this is over tussocky grassland like you can see in the pictures (http://wolfspitfellrace.org.uk/index.php/wolf-s-pit-2015/32-some-photos).  Then it's round a well trodden path/gravel track around the top and back down the hill to the finish.  It's all well marked and marshals directing you.

Remember you need full kit and they were checking last year.
+1. Great first race and you'll be fine if you've been doing that sort of distance and routes off road. You'll really enjoy it and you'll definitely not be last either.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Duncan campbell on March 10, 2016, 09:27:57 am
I'm thinking about doing Wolf's Pit, which would be my first ever fell race. Would this be a reasonable choice? I've only really been running the past 8 weeks, but virtually all in the Peak and half of that in the evenings by headtorch. Mainly 10 - 12Km at a steady pace (e.g. Cutthroat Bridge to Back Tor and return), so my aim would be to get round and just to experience an 'event'. What's the terrain like on Shatton Moor and would there be much running on unmarked / heathery ground? Any general tips / advice? Thanks!

Not done Wolf's Pit but I did my first fell race last weekend; the Congleton Cloud 9 with my Dad. It was absolutely brilliant - I'm really surprised how much I enjoyed it! I ran about once a week along Stanage and back for a few weeks in the lead up at a reasonable pace - I haven't tried so hard in a long while (partly because I was trying to beat my dad who has been running/racing a lot this year - he beat me) but it was absolutely amazing! Im not going to do it instead of climbing but will defo do more evening races over the summer I think.

Basically you should defo go for it, just expect the 'just get round' mentality to disappear and find yourself busting a gut to get as good a time as possible!

If I was around and not climbing I would be doing it I reckon!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 10, 2016, 11:37:34 am
Cool, thanks for the replies. Just need to squeeze in a couple more pacier runs between now and then to get my confidence up.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on March 10, 2016, 05:07:23 pm

I'm thinking about doing Wolf's Pit, which would be my first ever fell race. Would this be a reasonable choice? I've only really been running the past 8 weeks, but virtually all in the Peak and half of that in the evenings by headtorch. Mainly 10 - 12Km at a steady pace (e.g. Cutthroat Bridge to Back Tor and return), so my aim would be to get round and just to experience an 'event'. What's the terrain like on Shatton Moor and would there be much running on unmarked / heathery ground? Any general tips / advice? Thanks!

Not done Wolf's Pit but I did my first fell race last weekend; the Congleton Cloud 9 with my Dad. It was absolutely brilliant - I'm really surprised how much I enjoyed it! I ran about once a week along Stanage and back for a few weeks in the lead up at a reasonable pace - I haven't tried so hard in a long while (partly because I was trying to beat my dad who has been running/racing a lot this year - he beat me) but it was absolutely amazing! Im not going to do it instead of climbing but will defo do more evening races over the summer I think.

Basically you should defo go for it, just expect the 'just get round' mentality to disappear and find yourself busting a gut to get as good a time as possible!

If I was around and not climbing I would be doing it I reckon!
there are some great summer races coming up in the Peak. Castleton on a Friday evening is probably my favourite and a great atmosphere but all the ones in the Hope valley are great. Burbage skyline is superb too and fairly soon.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on March 10, 2016, 10:23:48 pm
I'm thinking about doing Wolf's Pit, which would be my first ever fell race. Would this be a reasonable choice? I've only really been running the past 8 weeks, but virtually all in the Peak and half of that in the evenings by headtorch. Mainly 10 - 12Km at a steady pace (e.g. Cutthroat Bridge to Back Tor and return), so my aim would be to get round and just to experience an 'event'. What's the terrain like on Shatton Moor and would there be much running on unmarked / heathery ground? Any general tips / advice? Thanks!

I also did Wolf's Pit for the first time last year and really enjoyed it. A beast of a first climb (expect to be walking like the majority!!) bit great running once you get on the tops, with a fantastically fun descent down the same!!

Alternatively, and one I'll be doing the same weekend, is Chicken Run (http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4580) nr Hayfield, which takes on the shoulders of Kinder Scout. I haven't done this before, but it may be a little tamer that Wolf's. Either way, get stuck in T_B, they are all good fun and highly addictive.

Good luck to anyone doing Black Coombes this weekend (Mono, Stabbsy...) or the Edale Skyline. I'll be doing a wee trail race, Roddlesworth Roller nr Chorley, to try and find my racing legs after a 6 month break. 

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on March 10, 2016, 10:34:52 pm
I'm no runner, but you lot talking about races is pretty inspiring. Thanks for getting us lot psyched for some muddy fun!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Duncan campbell on March 11, 2016, 07:57:13 am

I'm thinking about doing Wolf's Pit, which would be my first ever fell race. Would this be a reasonable choice? I've only really been running the past 8 weeks, but virtually all in the Peak and half of that in the evenings by headtorch. Mainly 10 - 12Km at a steady pace (e.g. Cutthroat Bridge to Back Tor and return), so my aim would be to get round and just to experience an 'event'. What's the terrain like on Shatton Moor and would there be much running on unmarked / heathery ground? Any general tips / advice? Thanks!

Not done Wolf's Pit but I did my first fell race last weekend; the Congleton Cloud 9 with my Dad. It was absolutely brilliant - I'm really surprised how much I enjoyed it! I ran about once a week along Stanage and back for a few weeks in the lead up at a reasonable pace - I haven't tried so hard in a long while (partly because I was trying to beat my dad who has been running/racing a lot this year - he beat me) but it was absolutely amazing! Im not going to do it instead of climbing but will defo do more evening races over the summer I think.

Basically you should defo go for it, just expect the 'just get round' mentality to disappear and find yourself busting a gut to get as good a time as possible!

If I was around and not climbing I would be doing it I reckon!
there are some great summer races coming up in the Peak. Castleton on a Friday evening is probably my favourite and a great atmosphere but all the ones in the Hope valley are great. Burbage skyline is superb too and fairly soon.


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Yeah defo keen for the Burbage Skyline!! Will also try and do the ones that were/are in the outside series if I remember/aren't too deeply embroiled in some sport climbing project/totally knackered from weekends away tradding
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 11, 2016, 09:12:36 am
I'm no runner, but you lot talking about races is pretty inspiring. Thanks for getting us lot psyched for some muddy fun!

Get yourself signed up to a Lakeland Classic you total hustler!

Can't wait for a Cumbrian pint tonight and a frosty tent!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on March 11, 2016, 09:15:44 am
I don't think so!  Slow but steady for me at the minute.

The Trail 26 series is worth looking at, if you haven't already.  Been a good day out whenever I've done them.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on March 11, 2016, 12:53:28 pm
Good luck with the races, Black Combe looks great, Ive got the Edale Skyline.

Hope wakes and Salt Cellar are also good evening races over the summer.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Duncan campbell on March 11, 2016, 01:07:16 pm

Hope wakes and Salt Cellar are also good evening races over the summer.

Might hit you up for some knowledge on these Brannock! I'd also be keen to get into the Electric Quarry at Stoney once my arm is better if you're keen?
Title: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on March 11, 2016, 05:44:25 pm
Who's in for Black Combe on Saturday then? I'm camping over on Friday night with a friend at Silecroft and we'll likely grab a pint nearby if anybody cared to join us.
a couple of runners from my club (Totley) are doing Black Combe tomorrow. Don't let their relative age fool you, not that it wouldn't, Pat was national standard when she was younger I believe and still regularly leaves me for dead :)


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on March 13, 2016, 09:33:04 pm
Well, how did everyone get on this weekend? Anyone get lost in the clag at Black Combes? Snow, slush, bog and mud of Edale? Anyone tick Win Hill?

In mild comparison I did a wee trail race, Roddlesworth Roller under the shadow of Darwin Tower in Lancashire. First race for six months, so a nice opportunity to get legs spinning again whilst visiting family. Tougher than I'd anticipated, but enjoyed the racing, and came away with a top twenty placing I'd hoped for. Now psyched for the Chicken Run nr Hayfield next Saturday!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on March 13, 2016, 10:11:26 pm
I was marshalling the Parbold Duathlon today. I generally ask people "how was that?" And one guy said "yeah, ok. Been easier if I hadn't done the Black Combe race yesterday".

Nutter!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 13, 2016, 10:17:44 pm
Anyone tick Win Hill?

Ha I did a double Win Hill in the last hour of light today after watching the semis at the CWIF. Almost didn't go out as I'd eaten a burger and a pizza at around 3pm and was feeling somewhat lethargic. Glad I did tho as beautiful light across Derwent edges and hopefully useful to do some steep climbing. My final prep for next w/e as plan to rest all wk.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 14, 2016, 10:23:08 am
In mild comparison I did a wee trail race, Roddlesworth Roller under the shadow of Darwin Tower in Lancashire. First race for six months, so a nice opportunity to get legs spinning again whilst visiting family. Tougher than I'd anticipated, but enjoyed the racing, and came away with a top twenty placing I'd hoped for. Now psyched for the Chicken Run nr Hayfield next Saturday!

Good work beast, sounds like a day well spent!

I had paced myself perfectly through the first three checkpoints and couldn't have been feeling any better for a pounce on the final climb after a proper warmup and stayover the night before. Bar recceing the course, I had all key bearings jotted down on the map and promised myself I'd take one from CP3-4 in the heavy clag that was down. Obviously I got absorbed in the moment, failed to take a bearing and followed two (friendly) numpties down to the east. This led to an eventual resummit and losing a stack of time. Got pretty angry with myself that a decent amount of training had amounted to nothing finishing in over 2 hours. Alas, learnt for next time!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on March 14, 2016, 11:59:06 am
Good to see you're back racing Mini. I might be doing a race in that area in 3 or 4 weeks (Wardle Skyline) if you fancy it.

As for Black Combe, it's probably the only time I'll ever be able to say that I beat Simon Bailey, Rob Hope and Rob Jebb in a fell race. I can see how everyone went wrong when they did - I was tempted to drift further left after CP3, but stuck with my line and the checkpoint appeared a minute or two later. You would only have to miss it by 100m or so and you would never spot it. Two of my club who were just behind me on the first climb did exactly that and came in after 2 hours plus.

Lessons learnt :-
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 14, 2016, 12:56:10 pm
Good to see you're back racing Mini. I might be doing a race in that area in 3 or 4 weeks (Wardle Skyline) if you fancy it.

As for Black Combe, it's probably the only time I'll ever be able to say that I beat Simon Bailey, Rob Hope and Rob Jebb in a fell race. I can see how everyone went wrong when they did - I was tempted to drift further left after CP3, but stuck with my line and the checkpoint appeared a minute or two later. You would only have to miss it by 100m or so and you would never spot it. Two of my club who were just behind me on the first climb did exactly that and came in after 2 hours plus.

Lessons learnt :-
  • Fell race training in York is hard work. Moors climbs just aren't long enough or steep enough to prepare you for stuff like Saturday.
  • The North York Moors races feel like trail races in comparison to the Lakes events.
  • I need to do more hill reps.

Loving this chaos! At least it made for a laugh eh Stabbs!?

Take a look at the Strava flyby for extra shits and giggles! I'm taking the extra summit tick as you can see!

http://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#515177720?c=gctse548&z=C&t=1Mv0iF&a=-Py0HoY1tB5tZLMeAnKwHvOZtB7lmLQedaDDHnXmtB7dUbQeuiq0Hnzkyh6qXrceFdfDHr-3sh4Jpb4e (http://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#515177720?c=gctse548&z=C&t=1Mv0iF&a=-Py0HoY1tB5tZLMeAnKwHvOZtB7lmLQedaDDHnXmtB7dUbQeuiq0Hnzkyh6qXrceFdfDHr-3sh4Jpb4e)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on March 14, 2016, 03:08:14 pm
Quote from: Monolith link=topic=24552.msg516603#msg516603
Take a look at the Strava flyby for extra shits and giggles! I'm taking the extra summit tick as you can see!
There's a great graphic on the Fell Running Briefs twitter feed (can't get to Twitter at work, sorry) that shows all the Strava lines round CP3 and on the last descent. Some people had a long day out!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on March 14, 2016, 04:07:29 pm
That Strava fly-by is just brilliant :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on March 14, 2016, 04:20:05 pm
Edale felt tough, really hard going over brown knoll and kinder, very wet/boggy/snowy. All the hard terrain is in the second half, the section over Kinder from Jacobs ladder to the end drags on forever. Good day to be out though, perfect running weather and a great atmosphere. Pretty pleased to get round in just under 4 hours (3.58), not done much fell running over the winter and a half marathon last weekend, still bit annoyed to be 3 minutes slower than last year though which was in horrific weather. Went full on Mark Twight with the energy gels (one every 20 mins) which worked well, combined with pacing myself, felt OK through out, nice not to feel utterly broken at the end of a long race.

Apparently the MV45 winner did Black Combe the day before :bow:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 14, 2016, 04:21:17 pm
That Strava fly-by is just brilliant :)

I forgot to mention that Wendy Dodds was lost with us. I had to laugh given that I've been following her training plan for two months from the book she wrote. She left us, went AWOL and then timed out between the checkpoints I hear.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on March 14, 2016, 04:49:36 pm
I forgot to mention that Wendy Dodds was lost with us. I had to laugh given that I've been following her training plan for two months from the book she wrote. She left us, went AWOL and then timed out between the checkpoints I hear.

You didn't have to follow quite so literally :)
I was running alongside her on the Navigation leg of the relays one year and was impressed by her micro-navigation that day. We dropped her a couple of times only for her pair to pop up again taking slightly better lines. Nice clear day then tho!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on March 14, 2016, 08:20:02 pm
Quote from: Monolith link=topic=24552.msg516603#msg516603
Take a look at the Strava flyby for extra shits and giggles! I'm taking the extra summit tick as you can see!
There's a great graphic on the Fell Running Briefs twitter feed (can't get to Twitter at work, sorry) that shows all the Strava lines round CP3 and on the last descent. Some people had a long day out!

Saw that twitter link, actual flyby's way more entertaining though - can't but not have Benny Hill's chase music playing in my head whenever I use that Strava feature!!

Must say, I've been pretty lame when it comes to learning nav', and have only ever followed fellow runners in races. Had I done Combes, I could have got into some real bother if I'm being brutally honest. Really need to sort this shit out, especially as one of my best mates is a trained mountain leader instructor that owes me a favour or two!!!

Sounds like a fun weekend was had all round!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 15, 2016, 09:41:27 am
I'm very likely to do the Yr Aran race this Saturday. Anybody else pencilled this one in?

http://www.run-meirionnydd.co.uk/ourraces.html
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on March 15, 2016, 09:55:23 am
Must say, I've been pretty lame when it comes to learning nav', and have only ever followed fellow runners in races. Had I done Combes, I could have got into some real bother if I'm being brutally honest. Really need to sort this shit out, especially as one of my best mates is a trained mountain leader instructor that owes me a favour or two!!!

Dave Taylor (fell running guide) often has bits of advice on navigation which pop up on my facebook feed with links to his website (http://fellrunningguide.co.uk/tips-for-navigating-in-bad-visibility/).  I think he runs for dark peak and does training sessions for them, I met him when he was running the recce of the UTPD and he was giving us good bits of advice then.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on March 16, 2016, 07:17:13 am
Dave Taylor (fell running guide) often has bits of advice on navigation which pop up on my facebook feed with links to his website (http://fellrunningguide.co.uk/tips-for-navigating-in-bad-visibility/).  I think he runs for dark peak and does training sessions for them, I met him when he was running the recce of the UTPD and he was giving us good bits of advice then.

Cheers for the heads up, I'd forgotten about this guy. I had been looking at the FRA Nav' courses, but this guy could be a bit more local - gutted I can't make his next courses in April, but will probably contact him anyway.

A few interesting tips in the link you included, especially overshooting.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 21, 2016, 10:04:49 am
Did many manage to get out racing this weekend? Plenty of options available now Spring is arriving. I did the Yr Aran one near Bala and will definitely be doing it again. Absolutely stunning setting and one of the nicest routes I think I've ever ran. Add it to your list for next year!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 21, 2016, 10:44:39 am
Yes! Wolf's Pit. What a beautiful day and superb event. My first ever race so had no expectations. Started off at the back obviously, passed lots of people on the climb, then about half a dozen folk passed me on the flat sections, held my own on the descents, then got past the half dozen folk on the final sting in the tail climb. It's clear where my strengths lie - walking uphill  ::) The final descent was just mad - I thought I was going to explode. Virtually crawled into the finishing field but mustered a vague sprint to the finish. 1hr1min which I was chuffed with as was hoping to get close to an hour. Not seen results yet but I wasn't last. My legs (and dodgy ankle) feeling surprisingly OK this morning, though overall bit of a comedown no doubt due to the huge massive endorphin spike. Psyched!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 21, 2016, 11:40:35 am
Anyone done Buttermere Sailbeck? I can get away that w/e and fancy aiming for something longer int Lakes (my mum lives in Cockermouth, so I'm not unfamiliar with the terrain).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 21, 2016, 02:18:41 pm
Yes! Wolf's Pit. What a beautiful day and superb event. My first ever race so had no expectations. Started off at the back obviously, passed lots of people on the climb, then about half a dozen folk passed me on the flat sections, held my own on the descents, then got past the half dozen folk on the final sting in the tail climb. It's clear where my strengths lie - walking uphill  ::) The final descent was just mad - I thought I was going to explode. Virtually crawled into the finishing field but mustered a vague sprint to the finish. 1hr1min which I was chuffed with as was hoping to get close to an hour. Not seen results yet but I wasn't last. My legs (and dodgy ankle) feeling surprisingly OK this morning, though overall bit of a comedown no doubt due to the huge massive endorphin spike. Psyched!

Awesome stuff. You appear to be eliciting precisely the same heady joy as I experienced in my first race last year. I reckon you'll become addicted!  ;D

I purchased the map for Buttermere Sailbeck and have pencilled it in. That said, I'm quickly learning that rather than try to race every weekend, I might be better off recceing half the amount and getting the good racing lines. In any event, I'm 100% doing the Anniversary Waltz which is one of our Club races. Have heard good things!

Off up Goatfell on the Isle of Arran this coming weekend. Looking forward to exploring the Hebrides a little further.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on March 21, 2016, 02:56:59 pm
Anyone done Buttermere Sailbeck? I can get away that w/e and fancy aiming for something longer int Lakes (my mum lives in Cockermouth, so I'm not unfamiliar with the terrain).
Yep and it's a beast! Tough hill followed by quick downhill followed by a lung bursting climb to Causey Pike followed by another climb and then a long, tough solid fast descent.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on March 21, 2016, 07:13:43 pm
Yes! Wolf's Pit. What a beautiful day and superb event. My first ever race so had no expectations....
 ....Psyched!

Glad you enjoyed it. That first climb is a toughie, as is the descent down the same, but a good introduction none the less. As Monolith aid, you'll soon become addicted.

I did the Chicken Run from Hayfield. Small race in comparison to Wolfs, maybe eighty runners, from the local primary school out onto the flanks of Kinder on very runnable slopes. Kinda epitomises what fell running is all about; low key, organised & run by local people for a local cause, cheap as chips, good cake and a bit of banter and a handshake with your fellow close runners at the finishing line.

Rivington Pike next for me. One of the oldest, dating back to pre 1900O, and always held on Easter Saturday. One of the shortest around too, at only 5km, so pretty full on, making it the easiest way to earn your beer tokens for the days efforts ;-)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 18, 2016, 02:39:16 pm
How's the season going for everybody? Managed a good few races this season now and really enjoying it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: erm, sam on April 18, 2016, 02:40:49 pm
I'm looking forwards to the Kinder Downfall on Sunday...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on April 18, 2016, 02:52:56 pm
I've just broken my ankle and spent the morning emailing race organisers to remove me from entry lists.

My first full year of running was shaping up pretty well until that point!

Just hoping I can recover enough to get round Glencoe and Mourne skylines and some of the later summer fell races, even if it's not at a very competitive pace.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 18, 2016, 03:00:28 pm
I've entered Buttermere-Sailbeck so am training for that by getting as much ascent in as possible. Not that easy in the Peak, but I did a superb circuit yesterday around Derwent Edges (15km/800m ascent). Will also do Burbage Skyline but can't squeeze any other races in between now and 21 May.

I'd be interested in any advice for preparing for a Lakeland AM!? I'm putting a lot of emphasis on ascent, but as I've only really been running for 3 months I'm also trying to learn how to run! Doing some shorter 8-10Km runs on the road trying to increase my pace.

The main thing is I'm really enjoying it and feeling fitter/stronger every time I go out :dance1:

(That's sh*t wintermute)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on April 18, 2016, 03:12:04 pm
I'm looking forwards to the Kinder Downfall on Sunday...

Are you really? I'm just hoping to survive after this weekend's outing has indicated a sub-par level of fitness.....

I'll be heading to Herod Farm on Wednesday for anyone fancying a mid week western peak AS race, the traditional Glossopdale Harriers race to kick off the mid-week race calendar.

https://glossopdaleharriers.wordpress.com/club-races/herod-farm-fell-race/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on April 18, 2016, 03:17:17 pm
Nothing is going to prepare you for that climb up Causey T_B! Must be one of the tougher AM's.

Ascent is obviously crucial but make sure you're happy on rocky descents too. The drops off Ard Crag and Whiteless are both steep and technical.

I did a recce of the route recently so let me know if you want a run down.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 18, 2016, 03:36:02 pm
Thanks wintermute. Sadly, I'm always gonna have to be cautious on descents due to previous broken heel/ankle weakness, but I think I'm reasonably OK on that sort of ground.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on April 18, 2016, 03:51:29 pm
TB - Good training in the Peak for those Lakeland slogs are reps up Win Hill via Parkin Clough.

Get well soon Wintermute.

I've got a long weekend coming up reccing the South Downs Way 100 over 3 days. Should give me a good idea of what I've let myself in for.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 18, 2016, 04:03:49 pm
TB - Good training in the Peak for those Lakeland slogs are reps up Win Hill via Parkin Clough.

Yep, that's what I have planned. Did Win-Lose-Win last weekend. Reps on that steep bit coming off Win down to Fullwood Stile Lane combined with Parkin Clough is on the plan for next week :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on April 18, 2016, 06:03:14 pm
 :oops:
TB - Good training in the Peak for those Lakeland slogs are reps up Win Hill via Parkin Clough.

Get well soon Wintermute.

I've got a long weekend coming up reccing the South Downs Way 100 over 3 days. Should give me a good idea of what I've let myself in for.
didn't know you'd put in for that Plattsy?! Did UTPD not put you off distance running for good? Hopefully you'll not have a moment this year but given how well you train I'm sure it'll go great. Let me know if you want to do any steady long days in the Peak as planning on doing the HPM route alone/myself this summer given it was cancelled in March
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on April 19, 2016, 08:30:46 am
:oops:
TB - Good training in the Peak for those Lakeland slogs are reps up Win Hill via Parkin Clough.

Get well soon Wintermute.

I've got a long weekend coming up reccing the South Downs Way 100 over 3 days. Should give me a good idea of what I've let myself in for.
didn't know you'd put in for that Plattsy?! Did UTPD not put you off distance running for good? Hopefully you'll not have a moment this year but given how well you train I'm sure it'll go great. Let me know if you want to do any steady long days in the Peak as planning on doing the HPM route alone/myself this summer given it was cancelled in March
I've been keeping it a little under wraps. If the UTPD didn't put me off I think this will. Training is a lot harder this year. I'd be up for the HPM one weekend around mid to late May.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on April 19, 2016, 08:42:39 am
Ok great, keep me posted. Even if we don't do HPM I'm happy to get out and do some long days in the hills.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 19, 2016, 09:20:34 am
:oops:
TB - Good training in the Peak for those Lakeland slogs are reps up Win Hill via Parkin Clough.

Get well soon Wintermute.

I've got a long weekend coming up reccing the South Downs Way 100 over 3 days. Should give me a good idea of what I've let myself in for.
didn't know you'd put in for that Plattsy?! Did UTPD not put you off distance running for good? Hopefully you'll not have a moment this year but given how well you train I'm sure it'll go great. Let me know if you want to do any steady long days in the Peak as planning on doing the HPM route alone/myself this summer given it was cancelled in March
I've been keeping it a little under wraps. If the UTPD didn't put me off I think this will. Training is a lot harder this year. I'd be up for the HPM one weekend around mid to late May.

Do you listen to the Ultrarunner podcasts Plattsy? The recent one with Gary Robbins about Barkley was pretty fascinating I thought in terms of the mental aspect of these long races. From the comfort of my total punter armchair of course.

http://ultrarunnerpodcast.com/category/podcasts/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on April 19, 2016, 04:32:56 pm
Llantysilio end of March in rotten weather, character building or something. Number for the Excalibur Marathon today - 21 May in the Clwyds. Not fit for the distance, so I'll be bodging. Again. Ran a couple of times on holiday in Spain last week without proper maps - unfamiliar landscape meant I'd lost the sense of scale and oddly couldn't really tell whether I'd climbed 800' or 1800'. Luckily nearer the latter :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on April 19, 2016, 05:11:57 pm
I've just broken my ankle and spent the morning emailing race organisers to remove me from entry lists.

Sorry to hear that Chris. Thought it was your knee that had gone?

As for me, highlight of the year so far was High Cup Nick, plus enjoyed the spectacle of Black Combe. Also had an encouraging run round Blubberhouses 25 a few weeks back. Slight gap in training as I'm just back from a week climbing in Siurana, but had a good run in the moors yesterday to check my legs still work and it's now less than 2 weeks to my first big target for the year - 3 Peaks in sub-4 hours.

After that I've got Up The Nab and Leg 2 of Calderdale relay for my club then I'm going climbing for a few months with the odd race thrown in (Kinder Trog anyone?).

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on April 19, 2016, 05:54:59 pm
Think the knee was just IT band pain, most likely from overdoing it the last few weeks. Annoying I couldn't run the Waltz but probably wasn't anything major. Least of my concerns now!

HCN was something special. Good luck for the 3 Peaks (and the rest).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 19, 2016, 10:22:08 pm
We really ought to assemble a UKB Fell Team! Would definitely be keen to enter some relays as such. If anyone is keen, vest design is one of my main interests....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on April 19, 2016, 10:40:06 pm
I'd be up for that, could be interesting! Think I might hold most of you back though.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on April 20, 2016, 11:42:02 am
BTOL - How's one day on weekend 21/22 May?

TB - Not listened to that podcast, will give a listen on the train down tomorrow thanks.

Came across this interesting article on overtraining syndrome. http://www.outsideonline.com/1986361/running-empty (http://www.outsideonline.com/1986361/running-empty)

Monolith - I'd be up for a UKB team. A formidable team of top heavy fell runners.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on April 20, 2016, 12:50:08 pm
Anyone running Herod Farm tonight? First of the local mid-weekers, organised by Glossopdale?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on April 20, 2016, 01:23:17 pm
BTOL - How's one day on weekend 21/22 May?

TB - Not listened to that podcast, will give a listen on the train down tomorrow thanks.

Came across this interesting article on overtraining syndrome. http://www.outsideonline.com/1986361/running-empty (http://www.outsideonline.com/1986361/running-empty)

Monolith - I'd be up for a UKB team. A formidable team of top heavy fell runners. normal healthy males.

/Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 20, 2016, 01:24:14 pm
I'd be up for that, could be interesting! Think I might hold most of you back though.


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Monolith - I'd be up for a UKB team. A formidable team of top heavy fell runners.

Then there were 3 eh!? I'm afraid I have entirely disintegrated up top though Plattsy. Great for fell running, woeful for climbing!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on April 20, 2016, 02:24:30 pm
Woops, spoke too soon....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on April 20, 2016, 11:09:02 pm
I'll check the calendar and let you know Plattsy, not sure what I've got on then but if I'm free then yes let's go for that.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on April 21, 2016, 08:45:12 am
Anyone running Herod Farm tonight? First of the local mid-weekers, organised by Glossopdale?

I guess the answer to that was......no. My legs are not "hill fit", we'll see how the Downfall goes on Sunday.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on April 21, 2016, 05:31:29 pm
Anyone running Herod Farm tonight? First of the local mid-weekers, organised by Glossopdale?

I guess the answer to that was......no. My legs are not "hill fit", we'll see how the Downfall goes on Sunday.

Herod Farm was a bit too far to justify for an evening race (even though I'm Glossop born and bred). I'm intending to do a couple of the Peak evening races though - any on the Sheffield side are fairly easy for me to reach, so I've pencilled in Castleton, Salt Cellar and a couple of the Totley races as possibles.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on April 21, 2016, 07:11:57 pm
Castleton is perhaps my favourite summer evening race of the year. Will definitely be there again this year. I have to say the Totley ones are great too. I have to given I'm a club member though.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on April 26, 2016, 08:12:59 pm
just realised the burbage skyline is next week, I'm comfortably hitting 8 km in 44 mins up all the hills in graves park... hilliest possible route... could easy do 42 mins if i didnt run it when the park is busy.... will I die? I just want to finish!!c'mon... say it how it is, I'm an old man, and it's a bucket list thing...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on April 26, 2016, 08:41:46 pm
You'll be reight. There is a right mêlée in the first few hundred yards dropping down to and then across the river. Take it steady and you'll get round. You won't be the oldest or the slowest.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on April 26, 2016, 08:58:11 pm
YYFY, if I can get there after work.. I'm going for it! great advice mate, very grateful
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: DWTJ on April 26, 2016, 10:50:10 pm
What Plattsy said...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 27, 2016, 06:38:06 am
Do it Fatdoc, you'll be fine. I did my first fell race last month and whilst there's a competitive element, at the back there were loads of folk who clearly just wanted to have fun and get round. My guess is Burbage will be similar as it's close to Sheffield and much of the route will be familiar to anyone who has ever pulled on a pair of shoes to run int Peak. I'm doing it  :).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on April 27, 2016, 08:50:51 am
Definitely do it Fatdoc! It's a brilliant race and great atmosphere. I'll definitely be doing it as missed it last year due to work getting in the way. I'll be there nice and early so maybe bump in to a few of you too
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on April 27, 2016, 09:58:47 am
I'd be there but will be away at Center Parcs that week.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on April 27, 2016, 10:10:52 am

Did any UKBers do the Downfall apart from erm,sam and myself?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on April 27, 2016, 10:20:42 am

Did any UKBers do the Downfall apart from erm,sam and myself?
Gave up my entry and did an XC race near Holmfirth instead. It's on the list for next year. How was it - I heard the weather wasn't that great? I'm planning on doing Kinder Trog in June - bit longer at 17 miles but covers some of the same ground.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 27, 2016, 10:31:06 am
Had planned to do the Coniston race this weekend but now tempted either for a longer day out in Snowdonia or a non-race circuit in the Lake District. Anybody have designs on this weekend?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on April 27, 2016, 10:35:55 am
I'd be there but will be away at Center Parcs that week.

"Going to CenterParcs"
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on April 27, 2016, 10:59:02 am
Anybody have designs on this weekend?
3 Peaks on Saturday - pretty much the main focus of this winter's training. Feeling in pretty good shape and done all the hard work, so it's all just about the execution now. Can't wait, but also slightly nervous - resting/tapering is really hard work when you feel like you should be doing more! Sunday/Monday will probably involve doing as little as possible.

Tom - It's worth going up to spectate and do a run in the area - the atmosphere was great last year and was what convinced me to sign up for this year's race.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on April 27, 2016, 11:11:40 am

Did any UKBers do the Downfall apart from erm,sam and myself?
Gave up my entry and did an XC race near Holmfirth instead. It's on the list for next year. How was it - I heard the weather wasn't that great? I'm planning on doing Kinder Trog in June - bit longer at 17 miles but covers some of the same ground.

Really good. Quite a runnable course, the uphills aren't brutal and trot over the top is quite fun hock-hopping into a fast descent. Started to run out of gas on the run in but did better than expected (not been getting out and had had a mare at Herod Farm on the Wednesday before).  Weather was a bit snowy and chilly but not an issue.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 27, 2016, 11:51:58 am
Anybody have designs on this weekend?
3 Peaks on Saturday - pretty much the main focus of this winter's training. Feeling in pretty good shape and done all the hard work, so it's all just about the execution now. Can't wait, but also slightly nervous - resting/tapering is really hard work when you feel like you should be doing more! Sunday/Monday will probably involve doing as little as possible.

Tom - It's worth going up to spectate and do a run in the area - the atmosphere was great last year and was what convinced me to sign up for this year's race.

Awesome. Wishing you every success in the world for your efforts beast. Rooting for all UKBers at this race!

I might head up on a whim and do the Coniston race. Had a mild virus this week and not too sure how flogging myself would feel. Indecisive is my middle name really.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on April 27, 2016, 12:12:39 pm
Didn't make it unfortunately as was in London at the weekend. Watching the elite men and women at the London Marathon was pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 29, 2016, 10:59:50 am
Looking rather snowy in Cumbria at the minute. A colleague was in Coniston yesterday and showed me a few photos this morning. Should make for an interesting race tomorrow.

The Buttermere webcam also making me question whether tomorrow is the best day for recceing Buttermere-Sailbeck as was the plan....

http://www.crofthousefarmcafe.co.uk/Webcam.html

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 29, 2016, 11:10:20 am
The forecast looks decent for tomorrow no? Going wrong coming off Crag Hill seems to be a theme, I'd stick with the plan if I were you. How many UKBers have entered B-S then? And is anyone planning to do Helvellyn And The Dodds? I'm probably getting ahead of myself but I'm up with the family the following weekend so the latter is a possibility. If B-S doesn't completely break me  ;D
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on April 29, 2016, 11:33:30 am
"The climb up Causey Pike will sort you all out."   :lol:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 29, 2016, 11:48:32 am
"Causey Pike is a massive prick."

wintermute
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 29, 2016, 11:57:20 am
Other massive pricks include: Kirk Fell approached from Wasdale and Seaness  - the first 'hillock' on the Black Combe race.

I can also assure you that Arenig Fawr is a massive bellend.

B-S tomorrow it should be then!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on April 29, 2016, 11:58:02 am
Fusedale on the 100 is my least favourite of everything.  Shudder. :sick:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 29, 2016, 12:35:57 pm
Looking a bit foggy smack bang in themiddle of the day int morro actually...

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gctwmqqnh#?fcTime=1461974400
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 03, 2016, 03:11:35 pm
Saw that Stabbsy got on well with the Three Peaks at the weekend. Good work beast! Anybody else take part or run the Coniston race?

I abandoned any activity over the weekend due to a visit from a friend. Have taken this Thursday off to either recce the Buttermere Sailbeck course or potentially trot around Skiddaw area.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 03, 2016, 06:04:41 pm
Good luck to everyone doing the Burbage Skyline tonight, perfect spring evening for it. I'm unfortunately going to miss it again (two years on the trot now, 2017 will definitely happen though) but might try and make the Totley race tomorrow night instead.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on May 03, 2016, 06:29:59 pm
Saw that Stabbsy got on well with the Three Peaks at the weekend. Good work beast!

Cheers Tom! What a great day out - the conditions made it even more memorable with snow on top of all three. With a bit more knowledge of the course and better conditions/logistics, I think I could go a chunk quicker, although it might have to wait a few years for the next attempt. For anyone that hasn't done it, I'd say get this on your list for next year. Amazing atmosphere and loads of support around the course.

I was considering the Skyline, but not going to make it for obvious reasons - legs are still fairly battered after Saturday. However, I'm also off on Thursday for a run around the Calder Valley to recce leg 2 of the Calderdale Relay for next Sunday. Weather looks glorious, might even need some sun cream!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: erm, sam on May 03, 2016, 10:35:12 pm
Just got home after running my first Burbage Skyline. What a brilliant race! Nice length,lots of technical rocky running, a nice couple of hills but nothing too horrible, a brilliant decent and a super fun fast blast along the edge and down to the finish. I really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: dave on May 03, 2016, 10:36:08 pm
That explains it, wondered why the parking situation around Fox House had gone apeshit tonight!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatdoc on May 03, 2016, 10:39:32 pm
I didnt get out of work in time... practised it last friday in the snow blizzard... next year i'm booking the day off to be sure i get there. Great, great run that one!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Duncan campbell on May 04, 2016, 07:41:17 am
Bugger! Totally forgot that was coming up! Ah well haven't been running much lately anyway. Sounds like a great race though, gutted to have missed out!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 04, 2016, 09:14:32 am
Just got home after running my first Burbage Skyline. What a brilliant race! Nice length,lots of technical rocky running, a nice couple of hills but nothing too horrible, a brilliant decent and a super fun fast blast along the edge and down to the finish. I really enjoyed it.

Nice one! It was my second race and I struggled a bit. It felt as though I got stuck behind loads of folk at the start and on some of the technical bits, so lost a lot of time, but then I faded along Burbage North and just couldn't maintain a decent pace (about half a dozen people passed me here). Then I managed to sustain a reasonable pace along the main path for the last 1Km. It's not as if I had anything left at the end, but certainly food for thought in terms of tactics and where you can easily lose time trotting along/standing still. Overall though it was a cool course and I loved nailing it down off Higgar. I just find the ground across Burbage South desperate! Kind of crapping myself now for big Lakes race in less than 3 weeks :doubt:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on May 04, 2016, 09:38:05 am
Chaps, what a lovely evening for a fell race. Brilliant conditions.
Wished I'd started further up the field. Lost a lot of time at the start behind lots of indecisive runners going down to the stream (I think everyone feels like this T_B).
Thought I'd ran a PB only to find I hadn't when I got home and checked past results. All the plodding over the last year or so has increased my stamina loads and I now understand how to maintain a high output without going into the red but it would appear I've lost some top end speed.
Overall happy with the result and performance especially running all the course except the top of the climb to Higgar.
Results and photos can be found on the Peak District fell races FB site.
https://www.facebook.com/PeakDistrictFellRaces/ (https://www.facebook.com/PeakDistrictFellRaces/)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on May 04, 2016, 10:22:05 am
I didnt get out of work in time... practised it last friday in the snow blizzard... next year i'm booking the day off to be sure i get there. Great, great run that one!
Lots of other races to choose from at the moment so you don't have to wait until next year.
Tiger's Todger tonight.
cragx Crawl on the 14th
Totley Moor 17th
Just to name 3 coming up soon.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 04, 2016, 11:44:04 am
And Totley Moor starts a little later at 7.30pm...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 04, 2016, 12:09:26 pm
Kind of crapping myself now for big Lakes race in less than 3 weeks :doubt:

Well done on getting stuck in to the Burbage race T_B (Tom?). Lucky you as well for having some good quality Spring evening races on your door step. Beats road hill reps!

Is the race above Buttermere-Sailbeck from memory?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 04, 2016, 12:14:25 pm
Kind of crapping myself now for big Lakes race in less than 3 weeks :doubt:

Well done on getting stuck in to the Burbage race T_B (Tom?). Lucky you as well for having some good quality Spring evening races on your door step. Beats road hill reps!

Is the race above Buttermere-Sailbeck from memory?

Yes, that's me and yep B-S coming up. There's another local race (Totley Moor) on the Tuesday before B-S but I think I need to make sure I'm totally fresh. Hopefully I'll be reet as long as I take it very steady!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 04, 2016, 12:39:01 pm
Yes, that's me and yep B-S coming up. There's another local race (Totley Moor) on the Tuesday before B-S but I think I need to make sure I'm totally fresh. Hopefully I'll be reet as long as I take it very steady!

I will very likely see you there then squire. I've taken tomorrow off at short notice to recce it but the Met Office are now saying fog and mist. When will weather bad luck end!? :'(
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on May 04, 2016, 01:18:36 pm
Great time there Stabbsy in the 3 peaks, very impressive, I really struggled, the pace I was aiming for was way to optimistic so started off far to quick, also found all the hard packed trails and tracks tough on joints/Achilles/back. Good atmosphere though, the snow definitely made it memorable.

Burbage skyline last night was brilliant, beautiful evening, nice route and loads of people out.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on May 04, 2016, 06:20:18 pm
Great time there Stabbsy in the 3 peaks, very impressive, I really struggled, the pace I was aiming for was way to optimistic so started off far to quick, also found all the hard packed trails and tracks tough on joints/Achilles/back. Good atmosphere though, the snow definitely made it memorable.

Burbage skyline last night was brilliant, beautiful evening, nice route and loads of people out.
Good effort for running Burbage Skyline after Saturday! I'm still feeling a bit tender, although I did manage a good session at lunch so maybe back to normal soon.

I'm hopefully down for Totley Moor if I can get out of work in time. It's two days after Calderdale Relay, so might not be fully recovered but worth a shot. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on May 04, 2016, 06:48:15 pm
Apparently you were only 5 minutes off first class Neil! Good effort! My pal did it in 4.10, says the slushiness made for some interesting running!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 05, 2016, 04:32:41 pm
Just entered Nine Edges (as a Climber obvs) #psyche etc ;D

http://www.edalemrt.co.uk/the_nine_edges16.html
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: dave on May 05, 2016, 05:13:11 pm
E6 on every crag yeah?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 05, 2016, 05:19:19 pm
Nine Edges, Nine E Points did cross my mind as not totally stupid (though would mean carrying Ninjas). But I'm cajoling a mate who doesn't really climb any more to go for the climbing option on the basis of us doing Diffs ;)

Anyway Dave you're the right shape for a runner, surely this sort of outing would be right up your street? :jab:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 14, 2016, 07:20:52 pm
Did cragx Crawl this morning, really nice local race with low key start and nice mixed course; quick road start, fast downhill, steep climb, then mix of farm tracks, technical downhill through woodland, flat meadow and then the old railway from Monsal Head, finishing with a steep road pull back to the club to the finish. Good value race with a free pint at the end, and managed to place mid-table respectability which will do me fine.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: tomtom on May 14, 2016, 10:41:43 pm
I managed not to get in the way of the Cresswell Crawlers when navigating the narrow path from rubicon avec boulderising pads....
Title: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 14, 2016, 11:00:28 pm
I managed not to get in the way of the Cresswell Crawlers when navigating the narrow path from rubicon avec boulderising pads....
Think it was the runners at the front you encountered as looked like a team was well in place at Rubicon by the time I got there. Looked like a nice day on the lime.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on May 15, 2016, 08:27:50 am
Gutted I wasn't local for cragx Crawl. It was my second fell race a few years and enjoyed, as you say, the low key feel and the free pint - a race and pinted all before midday, perfick!

Mount Famine from Hayfield next weekend for me, anyone else?

But more currently, who's following Nicky Spinks' Double Bob Graham attempt. Jaw droppingly impressive. I've had two solid nights sleep whilst she's been out there constantly ticking those Lakeland fells!!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Mr_Cus on May 15, 2016, 08:35:47 am
Just entered Nine Edges (as a Climber obvs) #psyche etc ;D

http://www.edalemrt.co.uk/the_nine_edges16.html

I'm doing the 9 edges as a runner. I was going to go for the climbing option but thought I'd end up falling off of something with wobbly legs!  I've never run that far before even on road so its going to be challenging.  I'm training lots and its paying off though so feeling like i will be ready for september.   :boxing:

How hard really is it?

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 15, 2016, 10:49:41 am
Just entered Nine Edges (as a Climber obvs) #psyche etc ;D

http://www.edalemrt.co.uk/the_nine_edges16.html

I'm doing the 9 edges as a runner. I was going to go for the climbing option but thought I'd end up falling off of something with wobbly legs!  I've never run that far before even on road so its going to be challenging.  I'm training lots and its paying off though so feeling like i will be ready for september.   :boxing:

How hard really is it?
its actually not too bad. Once you've got the steep pull up on to Derwent Edge then the steadier climb on to Stanage, it's actually a really steady route with no big climbs left, and all easy tracks to follow. It's a great introduction to slightly longer trail races.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 15, 2016, 05:13:37 pm


But more currently, who's following Nicky Spinks' Double Bob Graham attempt. Jaw droppingly impressive. I've had two solid nights sleep whilst she's been out there constantly ticking those Lakeland fells!!!

Watching it now. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 15, 2016, 10:27:52 pm


But more currently, who's following Nicky Spinks' Double Bob Graham attempt. Jaw droppingly impressive. I've had two solid nights sleep whilst she's been out there constantly ticking those Lakeland fells!!!

Watching it now. Unbelievable.
Finished and beat the record by over an hour. Unbelievable indeed.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Falling Down on May 15, 2016, 11:00:12 pm
Just entered Nine Edges (as a Climber obvs) #psyche etc ;D

http://www.edalemrt.co.uk/the_nine_edges16.html

I'm doing the 9 edges as a runner. I was going to go for the climbing option but thought I'd end up falling off of something with wobbly legs!  I've never run that far before even on road so its going to be challenging.  I'm training lots and its paying off though so feeling like i will be ready for september.   :boxing:

How hard really is it?
its actually not too bad. Once you've got the steep pull up on to Derwent Edge then the steadier climb on to Stanage, it's actually a really steady route with no big climbs left, and all easy tracks to follow. It's a great introduction to slightly longer trail races.

Yep it's a great day out.  I did it a few times on my tod when I lived in Sheffield and soloed a diff on each crag in my Walshes.  The only problem back then was getting enough water en route. I did try the other way around once which wasn't much fun at all.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 16, 2016, 08:42:49 am
Just put myself on the waiting list for Nine Edges. Thought I was away that weekend but just checked my diary and its all clear so hopefully there will be a space freed up.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on May 16, 2016, 11:13:02 am
Quote
Finished and beat the record by over an hour. Unbelievable indeed.

Incredible achievement!11 :bow:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on May 18, 2016, 07:41:26 am
Anyone else at Totley Moor last night? Great race, fast and runnable (although my legs were saying otherwise on the last climb after Sunday's efforts at the Calderdale Relay!). Nice food at the Cricket afterwards as well.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 18, 2016, 08:48:09 am
Nice one - was it a big field? I was really tempted, but decided to be sensible and save my legs for this weekend. Next local race I plan to do is Castleton (btw can't find a route map for this on-line - any ideas?)

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on May 18, 2016, 10:11:34 am
Pretty big for a local evening race (250 plus, I'd guess). I was just outside the top 20, so fairly pleased with my efforts. I'm normally pretty good on the hills/flat and less good downhill, but was completely the opposite last night - lack of climbing energy necessitated throwing myself down the two descents!

Castleton map :-

http://www.ukhillwalking.com/logbook/r/?i=22

I'm not going to make Castleton, as I'm off to Wales that weekend. It'll have to wait until next year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 18, 2016, 10:51:18 am

Castleton map :-

http://www.ukhillwalking.com/logbook/r/?i=22


Ah great, like the look of that.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on May 18, 2016, 01:33:53 pm
Totley Moor was a good race, as you say all very runable, brutal climb at the start though, just goes on and on.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 18, 2016, 10:18:22 pm
Ran Totley Moor as a sweeper for the club last night. Still really enjoyed it though and always a nice atmosphere


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 23, 2016, 12:34:32 pm
Buttermere-Sailbeck

This is not really a report for the hardcore fell runners on here, but maybe someone considering getting into fell running will find it interesting?

Firstly, a bit of a rant. It seems to me that climbing is in danger of disappearing up its own behind. Fell running is a tonic. I love how low key and ‘amateur’ it is.  Everyone understands a time and a race position (though admittedly, those who don’t take part won’t necessarily understand the level of athleticism required to run up and down steep mountains). There is no grey and no need to ‘spray’. Perhaps Skyrunning and Ultras are bringing more money/sponsorship/bull into mountain running, but for now, UK fell running seems to be free of all that. I've heard that the FRA consciously don't promote the sport. Good. Plus everyone seems so supportive and friendly and happy. At the Tor last week someone was falling off, ranting and screaming, letting out all their frustration and aggression. I recommend getting some fell shoes.

I’ve always considered myself pretty strong in the hills having grown up in the Lakes, done a lot of walking and climbed a few 6000m peaks. I have big legs and walking uphill or moving over rough terrain is not something I tend to struggle with. Time to re-calibrate! OK, so I admit I am crap at running, and struggle to maintain any kind of pace on the flat, but I thought a Lakeland fell race would play to my strengths. Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t horrendous or anything, indeed I would describe Saturday’s race as exhilarating, humbling and liberating. Liberating might seem an odd description, but it really does feel liberating to be crap at something and yet enjoy it so much. No expectation, no pressure, just try as hard as you can and see what happens.

Until Saturday, I’d done two local fell races, Wolf’s Pit and Burbage Skyline. Buttermere-Sailbeck was like a Lakeland multi-pitch E1 compared to leading Long Tall Sally. It was absolutely chucking it down at registration. With 175 competitors, they delayed the start to 1230 and the weather cleared. We all lined up next to the Bridge Inn and I skulked at the back, knowing there was no way I’d be sprinting up that road. Off we went and I plodded my way up the tarmac until we broke out into a long line heading for Knott Rigg. I was doing this route ‘on-sight’, so I’d spent a lot of time working out what I thought my timings on various sections would be. So, 30 minutes to the summit of Knott Rig, bang on. I tucked in behind Mrs Bonjoy (big Dark Peak contingent on Sat) and didn’t push it too hard up the first climb. Then we were running over the tops, just as I’d imagined. The clouds were clearing off and the mountains looked amazing, like a scene out of Lord of the Rings. At the first check point I was still on my schedule, the descent off Aard Crags was rocky and slippy, so I opted for the breaking action of the heather and passed a few people.

I’d wanted to be at the base of the Causey Pike climb within an hour, and was there at 55 minutes. I had a drink and shovelled in a honey stinger waffle. I had estimated 20-minutes for Causey Pike. Hmm, maybe not. I didn’t actually find it too bad until we hit the rocky ridge near the summit and the legs really started to tire. It’s flat right off the summit, but my legs just wouldn’t get going again. Sh*t!  For a moment I thought it was going to be a case of just trying to make it round, but after about 5 minutes and the gentle descent to Sail pass, they came back to life. I pushed on up the zig zags to Sail and got some confidence back choosing some good lines and descending quickly before the rocky climb up Crag Hill. It was claggy on the summit and I had my compass out ready. I knew this was where people sometimes went wrong. I'd studied Google Earth and knew the line I wanted to take. Luckily a brief clearing in the clag meant I could just run it without any doubts. It was so cool to be running in a straight line towards Whiteless Edge, as I’d planned in my ‘mind’s eye’. I glanced down to Buttermere village and it looked a long way down. Like Aard Crags, the descent was steep and my quads were stiffening up. I was too tired to take the brakes off and by now knew there was no way I’d get in for 2hrs20mins. A mate had said one of the good things about B-S is that you finish at the bottom of the mountain, no grim flat section at the end. Running through the gate into the finishing field was a great feeling and I was so glad I didn’t have to run any flat.

What a course. It was tough, but not entirely 'Type 2' fun as there were moments when I felt good and could glance across the valleys and breathe in the views.  I love the Lakes! I came 123rd in 2:24:39 (out of 175 competitors). The winner did it in 1hr29mins, which, given the amount of ascent/descent in 15Km just blows me away. At some point I’m going to watch a race to see how the top runners move at that speed (you never see them if you're a punter at the back). The weather was perfect in the end (not too hot, nor too windy). I think I’d like to do another Lakeland fell race, in the meantime, I’m going to work on my running.

P.S. I still love climbing, and actually felt very chilled bouldering on Sunday at Trowbarrow. Could it be that loads of climbers seem to be into fell running because it provides such a good balance?

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on May 23, 2016, 02:25:37 pm
Ace. I do love the simplicity of fell racing, the low keyness, the lack of faff. I've had a break from climbing whilst running and cycling more and gone back to it with heavy legs and weak arms. I still find much of the same crack, but maybe a little more ice to break initially? Like when you point to something and say 'about English 5c' thinking you're being all accommodating adding the 'English' ...and you get a blank look because the other person only really knows wall grades.

Excalibur marathon for me in the Clwyds this weekend - one of my 2 big ticks for the year and delighted to sneak in under 5 hours. Rotten weather and some surprisingly stiff pulls I'd managed to wipe from memory - fairly local hills to me and I know the course. The other old gits must have been elsewhere because I managed 2nd V50. That NEVER happens.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on May 23, 2016, 02:48:26 pm
Fell running is a tonic. I love how low key and ‘amateur’ it is.

Every year I head up to the mother in law's house with the rest of the wife's family on the edge of the North York Moors for the town show, proper affair with a big show field, lots of farmers in their Sunday best and judges in white lab coats poking farm animals. A few years back I went for a run on the moors the day after and got caught up in a race and decided to do it the next year, managing to convince my bother and sister in law to do it.

It's become an annual tradition. The in-laws are from London and keen runners but used to 10ks, half marathons and marathons and all the faff, hassle and crowds that they entail. They couldn't believe they could just turn up, hand over three pounds and run. They didn't have the required kit the year after the new FRA rules came in and people clubbed together so they could run. They couldn't get their heads round the banter and encouragement as they struggled round the course. The rest of the family walk up the hill and cheer the runners on (it's an out and back course so they see everyone twice) and it just epitomises fell running to me.

Great stuff.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: shark on May 23, 2016, 03:54:24 pm
Could it be that loads of climbers seem to be into fell running because it provides such a good balance?

Or more simply a shared love of the outdoors
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on May 23, 2016, 04:31:52 pm
Great write up Tom, glad you enjoyed it!

Couldn't agree more about the fell running ethos and community. It's bloody brilliant.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: erm, sam on May 23, 2016, 04:33:12 pm
Highlander anybody? I know Galpinos and myself will be in different teams in B class. Anybody else?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 23, 2016, 06:36:26 pm
Great write T_B, you're spot on with the social and friendly nature of fell races. Yes, there are more "organised" races starting to emerge but those simple local races are where it's at for me. And it really doesn't matter where you finish either, you see people right at the back of the pack smiling and enjoying it just as much as the faster ones.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on May 23, 2016, 06:56:06 pm
Might have to try this fell-running lark, a friend was telling me the difference between fell running nd trail running today and his description of what you describe as "low key" made it seem ace!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Falling Down on May 23, 2016, 09:13:01 pm
Great write up Tom. 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on May 23, 2016, 10:50:33 pm
Great write up Tom.

Yes,  tremendous.

Great effort, and impressive prep too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on May 24, 2016, 08:21:55 pm
Ditto what all the others have already said Tom. Fell running is a great sub-culture, unique I feel in it's complete lack of ego, wholly embracing of all attendees (not just runners but organisers, marshalls, cake makers et al...!) as well as supporting local communities. Add onto that you get to visit some of the most fantastic areas of the great British countryside, with like minded people who all enjoy a good pint at the end of the race, where the people coming in at the back of the field are patted on the back more than the front runners - what's not to love!

I wish I'd gotten into this years ago!

Anyone racing this weekend? Hutton Roof race nr Kirkby Lonsdale for me on Saturday afternoon. Infamous for the quality of the post race cakes I hear.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on May 25, 2016, 11:41:47 am
Hutton Roof: cake approved. Word of advice to get an early start - snarled in M6 Bank Holiday traffic last year and just missed the start. Ran around with another guy as an unofficial sweeper and really enjoyed the course.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 25, 2016, 11:57:21 am
Sounds great. Almost inspired me, but not sure knees will take it.

My partner did this last year, and loved it;

http://www.illuminatorrun.co.uk/

Amazing vibe; piper at one of the points, techno playing at the next.

She has signed up this year again, I will probably go and take photos.

If anyone fancies it they can doss at ours before or after.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on May 25, 2016, 10:02:08 pm
Hutton Roof: cake approved. Word of advice to get an early start - snarled in M6 Bank Holiday traffic last year and just missed the start....

Cheers Steve, thanks for the heads up! I can normally make that junction in about 45 mins from Chorley, but will give ample time this weekend to get oop there in time to place a pre race walking-stick-carving competition sweep stake bet ;-)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 31, 2016, 01:18:15 pm
Awesome write up Tom. I've been through the same epiphany and am pleased to see how much I've progressed over the last year of training/racing. It seems to become ever more addictive and I'm sure you'll be feeling the same from now on.

It's also hugely inspiring to see two of my local Liverpool heroes running immensely impressive times at ages 64 and 72. Long may we all improve!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on May 31, 2016, 01:31:39 pm
Did the Rab Evening Mini MM on Friday and jolly good it was too! Good turn out, lovely running around Dovedale (that smell of wild garlic always makes me think of summers climbing n the lime) and FREE cake at the finish.

Wasn't sure whether the location was going to work or that 2hrs would be long enough to set a decent course (pretty sure the winners got near all the CPs) but, despite the CPs being a bit too close together there seemed to be plenty of navigational challenges despite there being paths for most of the route I took.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 31, 2016, 02:27:40 pm
Did the Rab Evening Mini MM on Friday and jolly good it was too! Good turn out, lovely running around Dovedale (that smell of wild garlic always makes me think of summers climbing n the lime) and FREE cake at the finish.

Wasn't sure whether the location was going to work or that 2hrs would be long enough to set a decent course (pretty sure the winners got near all the CPs) but, despite the CPs being a bit too close together there seemed to be plenty of navigational challenges despite there being paths for most of the route I took.
Didn't even know these were happening. I did one a few years ago starting at Ilam Hall, presume it was the same set up this year? It was a really nice course and mix of checkpoints though as you say, except for one up on Bunster Hill which was a pain to find (CP description was on summit ridge line by a tree, except the ridge line was around 500m long and covered in trees).

Going to aim to do at least the November Dark Peak one, and hopefully either the Lakes one in August or the second evening event in July.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on May 31, 2016, 02:41:23 pm

Started and finished at the Old Dog pub in Thorpe.They're a bit restricted by fields so have to pick checkpoints that are linked by footpaths I guess. I found the nav easy, it was my legs that struggled. Having said that, there were a few people who got in looking harassed having had some nav issues. It made for an easy route choice as I just had the back up plan of bailing into dovedale an racing along the path if time was running short.

It's a bit different to racing over moorland, just running on a bearing for 2 miles till you hit a re-entrant, it's more, "which footpath to take and where's the stile?" There was a checkpoint up on Bunster Hill again (not on the summit) but it was an easy find.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 31, 2016, 04:44:44 pm
Sounds like a pretty similar area to last time (a bit further south east perhaps). We took the same approach in terms of doing an out and back up Dovedale and like you say, no need to run off a bearing which I kind of prefer anyway (as pretty rusty at it). We ended up just heading along the track on the bottom on the return leg and worked out which CP's we could bag in the time left, pretty straightforward. I suspect the next Lakes one will be a bit more of a challenge.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on June 01, 2016, 08:56:00 pm
Did the Rab Evening Mini MM on Friday and jolly good it was too! Good turn out, lovely running around Dovedale (that smell of wild garlic always makes me think of summers climbing n the lime) and FREE cake at the finish.

Glad you enjoyed it. I really need to doing these sort of events to get experience and confidence in my nav' skills, something I really need to pin down this year. And they look like good fun!

I ventured up the M6 to tick Hutton Roof fell race over the weekend. Only 50 mins up the road from my folks in Chorley (or 2hr 15m on a Bank Holiday Saturday afternoon, aaaahhhh...!!!) and a race I hadn't done before so thought why the hell not! It aint a Lakes classic, but still an enjoyable afternoon out. 12km over limestone fells, lovely wild orchids and very runnable course. Only downfall was shoe choice (X-Talons), the limestone trails battered my feet into submission, with several burst blisters around my (many years of wearing undersized 5:10's induced) bunyon! Still an enjoyable and gloriously warm outing.

As a result, Monday was spectating duties, taking a few piccies (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32044606@N03/albums/72157669199483485) at the local Shutlingsloe Fell Race and Wilboarclough fete. I do like the really small and short races (86 runners, the Earl Derby came 72nd!) and I could see almost all of it from start, topping out and the finishing from the one spot on the hillside. Seeing the likes of Simon Bailey descending like a banshee is always worthy of heading off for a pint of local Winkle ale to console yourself of your own lowly abilities  :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Mr_Cus on June 09, 2016, 10:42:12 am
I did the Calver Fell Race yesterday evening after finding out about it from a colleague in the morning. This was my first fell race.  Really enjoyed it although knolwedge of the course would have helped, I went in with little idea about the course profile etc but did alright in the end.

Grindleford next week!   :great:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on June 09, 2016, 03:08:03 pm
Nice one Mr_Cus - welcome aboard! Up The Beast for me last night (above Maeshafn quarry rock fans). Hot diggity it was warm work. Spotted that the course had changed slightly with a bonus climb at the end - snuck a couple of places from people that emptied the tank too soon. Pub finish natch :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 10, 2016, 12:51:46 pm
Good one Mr_Cus. It'll be sweaty tonight for Castleton, not that I'm running  :boohoo:

A start list of 46 for Ennerdale tomorrow apparently, with a clag-tastic looking forecast. Good luck to anyone doing it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on June 10, 2016, 03:44:27 pm
It'll be a great evening at Castleton I reckon, hot and humid but great up on the ridge. First time I'll have missed it in a while but it clashes with Great North Swim which I'm doing tonight and tomorrow in Windermere


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 13, 2016, 01:48:30 pm
A start list of 46 for Ennerdale tomorrow apparently, with a clag-tastic looking forecast. Good luck to anyone doing it.

Gutted to have missed this. Had it as one of my main goals this year.

I saw word that they might have to pull it if numbers don't increase. Mention also made of the fact that it coincided with Cwm Pennant.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 13, 2016, 02:01:17 pm
Apparently around 70 on the day and the weather wasn't so bad. Rain held off, though cloud base at 500m. Are you injured Tom?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 13, 2016, 03:56:55 pm
Not chronically so Tom but both knees have been sore of late. My new road bike arrives next week and the plan is to condition the legs a bit more on the bike as opposed to ongoing pavement pounding mid week. We'll see how that works out anyway!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Mr_Cus on June 17, 2016, 09:16:33 pm
Did Grindleford fell race yesterday. Bloody great.  It was so wet that after the swollen river crossing at the end you didn't feel any wetter!
Good way to clean the mud off though.

Totley Blackamoor next week but I'm a bit scared, it looks hard.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on June 19, 2016, 08:46:37 am
V3k yesterday, across the Welsh 3000s - a right monster that finally caught up with me on the last 3 mile descent to the end - such sore quads. Took me 5 mins this morning to get dressed in shorts and a t shirt. Oh and the stairs. The horror.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 19, 2016, 02:07:04 pm
 :clap2:

Totley Blackamoor next week but I'm a bit scared, it looks hard.

Recced the course today. It's really fast (too fast for me with recovering hammy tear!), so nowhere you can walk and get a breather ;-) It'll be totally dry by Thurs too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 19, 2016, 07:46:16 pm
V3k yesterday, across the Welsh 3000s - a right monster that finally caught up with me on the last 3 mile descent to the end - such sore quads. Took me 5 mins this morning to get dressed in shorts and a t shirt. Oh and the stairs. The horror.

Effort, that looks well 'ard. Are you doing any other Skyrunning races this year?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on June 20, 2016, 11:28:31 pm
I wasn't but a couple of friends were hard selling the Lakes one. Probs not...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 23, 2016, 11:11:45 am
Given that it's a pain in the derriere to keep driving 30 mins to the nearest off road hill to perform reps, I've purchased a decent road bike with the intention of using it to both cross train and to develop my overall leg strength. Have many here found the bike to be of significant benefit to their fell running? South Liverpool has a few long drag road hills and I'm guessing these will be of use.

I've taken the last month off to totally rest my knees after feeling a fair amount of tenderness around the kneecaps. It's very likely that neglecting conditioning is the root cause I'm sure but in any event, it's time to readdress the balance.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on June 23, 2016, 01:00:19 pm
Have many here found the bike to be of significant benefit to their fell running...?

I do try to do some cycling when I can, especially through summer (defo a fair weather cyclist), and probably not enough to say it appears to directly increase my performance, but it does allow me to increase my general fitness on rest / recovery days without the impact of running itself.

There are notable runners who seem to mix both activities quite well, in particular Rob Jebb, multiple 3 Peaks winner both running and cyclo-cross. If it works for him...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on June 23, 2016, 01:06:45 pm
A mate of mine reckons he runs best after a decent amount of cycling - his best 3 Peaks time was after a stint of cycling training with a bit of running thrown in. He's just done Fred Whitton and some ridiculous thing in Spain and come back running as well as ever - 10k PB and best times in various local races. Purely anecdotal, so might be the cycling or might be that we train together two or three lunchtimes a week. Either way, I don't think it would hurt to try.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on June 23, 2016, 02:43:25 pm
I think hill cycling and hill running translate pretty well - that's lucky - but flat cycling and flat running have less crossover. Just trying to think of the best of the S Liverpool range but you could maybe try simulating a worse hill by using a bigger gear than comfortable. But then your back onto punishing your knees potentially? Are your knees up to one-legged squats and other stability stuff? Fine control as well as the plain strength you'd get from a gym machine that moves in 2D. Bon chance.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 23, 2016, 04:52:47 pm
Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated. I'll be sure to report back on my findings over the coming months. Slightly gutted not to be running after recent gains but want to play the long game and get stronger via non/low impact.

As an aside, perhaps in a month or two the UKB Fell Running Posse might like to meet for a trot/pint somewhere? Difficult coordinating diaries I know....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on June 23, 2016, 06:42:20 pm
I'd be good for a social plod to put names to faces if I'm about. Or could tie it to a low key race and plod round that instead?


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on July 04, 2016, 11:21:56 am
Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated. I'll be sure to report back on my findings over the coming months. Slightly gutted not to be running after recent gains but want to play the long game and get stronger via non/low impact.

As an aside, perhaps in a month or two the UKB Fell Running Posse might like to meet for a trot/pint somewhere? Difficult coordinating diaries I know....
What about the Stoney Middleton race as a meet up? End of this month on 28 July;

http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4480

It's a  Thursday night race, entry on the day so no need to commit in advance, plus opportunity for those that back out at the last minute to get a session at minus 10 instead  ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on July 04, 2016, 11:44:01 am
Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated. I'll be sure to report back on my findings over the coming months. Slightly gutted not to be running after recent gains but want to play the long game and get stronger via non/low impact.

As an aside, perhaps in a month or two the UKB Fell Running Posse might like to meet for a trot/pint somewhere? Difficult coordinating diaries I know....
What about the Stoney Middleton race as a meet up? End of this month on 28 July;

http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4480

It's a  Thursday night race, entry on the day so no need to commit in advance, plus opportunity for those that back out at the last minute to get a session at minus 10 instead  ;)

I could probably make it down for that and doesn't clash with anything else.

My other thought was meeting somewhere like Pendle - a bit more central for the Lakes/Liverpool/Staffs contingent. I was going to recce the English Champs race route at some point anyway, so could combine the two.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on July 04, 2016, 12:02:29 pm
Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated. I'll be sure to report back on my findings over the coming months. Slightly gutted not to be running after recent gains but want to play the long game and get stronger via non/low impact.

As an aside, perhaps in a month or two the UKB Fell Running Posse might like to meet for a trot/pint somewhere? Difficult coordinating diaries I know....
What about the Stoney Middleton race as a meet up? End of this month on 28 July;

http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4480

It's a  Thursday night race, entry on the day so no need to commit in advance, plus opportunity for those that back out at the last minute to get a session at minus 10 instead  ;)

I could probably make it down for that and doesn't clash with anything else.

My other thought was meeting somewhere like Pendle - a bit more central for the Lakes/Liverpool/Staffs contingent. I was going to recce the English Champs race route at some point anyway, so could combine the two.
I'd be more than happy to go to a race near Pendle as can go and visit the old folks in Settle too. Maybe post a few options and be happy to travel there too.

Edit: almost certainly going to do this too http://www.minimountainmarathon.co.uk/details-16th-july-event.html
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on July 11, 2016, 12:21:31 pm
Good to see folk are keen. I'll next be doing the Arenig Fawr race on 31/07 but appreciate it's a way to come for most.

Did anybody do Wasdale at the weekend? The race I wanted to do the most but don't have the ascent in my legs at the moment. One for next year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on July 11, 2016, 01:52:28 pm
I'd be more than happy to go to a race near Pendle as can go and visit the old folks in Settle too. Maybe post a few options and be happy to travel there too.

Not exactly Pendle, but how about one of these two :-

Round Hill (7th Aug) - http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4307
Boulsworth Fell (14th Aug) - http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4314

I've done Round Hill before and was planning on doing it again this year, not too hilly but fairly boggy in places at the start and a great descent from the top of Round Hill to the bottom trail. No previous experience of the other one.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on July 11, 2016, 01:56:47 pm
Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated. I'll be sure to report back on my findings over the coming months. Slightly gutted not to be running after recent gains but want to play the long game and get stronger via non/low impact.

As an aside, perhaps in a month or two the UKB Fell Running Posse might like to meet for a trot/pint somewhere? Difficult coordinating diaries I know....
What about the Stoney Middleton race as a meet up? End of this month on 28 July;

http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4480

It's a  Thursday night race, entry on the day so no need to commit in advance, plus opportunity for those that back out at the last minute to get a session at minus 10 instead  ;)

I might do Stoney but am a bit put off by how much of it is on road? That said, it would probably be good for me. Did Great Hucklow y'day which was a great, albeit v wet and muddy course. I really struggled over the moor and am still running slower than usual (yes, that is very slow ;-)) due to recovering hammy. Good to be back on the horse though  :).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on July 11, 2016, 02:10:49 pm
Round hill looks fun, are complete novices allowed to enter?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on July 11, 2016, 02:14:41 pm
Good to see folk are keen. I'll next be doing the Arenig Fawr race on 31/07 but appreciate it's a way to come for most.

Did anybody do Wasdale at the weekend? The race I wanted to do the most but don't have the ascent in my legs at the moment. One for next year.

I was thinking about Arenig Fawr, as want to do another AM if I'm going to enter Langdale. My family are all away that weekend, so might be a goer. What puts me off is it looks like a mission to get there (from Sheffield)! May well end up recceing Langdale instead.

My mate did Wasdale and said he was nearly hypothermic by the end. It didn't sound like much fun tbh!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on July 11, 2016, 02:32:18 pm
Round hill looks fun, are complete novices allowed to enter?

It says it's partially marked, so I would imagine it will be fairly obvious navigation wise. Depends what you're running background is, but 14Km in a race is not to be sniffed at and with 'only' 335m of ascent it will be fast!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on July 11, 2016, 02:43:54 pm
Got a childhood of orienteering and the nicknames "homing pigeon" and "satnav" so not too worried about the navigation. Other people may be fast, but I'd be happy to get round it!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on July 11, 2016, 02:54:08 pm
Good to see folk are keen. I'll next be doing the Arenig Fawr race on 31/07 but appreciate it's a way to come for most.

Did anybody do Wasdale at the weekend? The race I wanted to do the most but don't have the ascent in my legs at the moment. One for next year.

I was thinking about Arenig Fawr, as want to do another AM if I'm going to enter Langdale. My family are all away that weekend, so might be a goer. What puts me off is it looks like a mission to get there (from Sheffield)! May well end up recceing Langdale instead.

My mate did Wasdale and said he was nearly hypothermic by the end. It didn't sound like much fun tbh!
Just so you know if you don't already. You could well be asked for previous AL race results/experience from the Langdale organisers.

Definitely worth a recce. The race trod below Esk Pike is horrendous and the nav between Bow Fell and Great Knott can be tricky even in the race when it's strung out. Also shortly after coming off Pike of Blisco there's definite turn left (East) turn. Somebody always heads straight off, be lured by the view straight down Little Langdale. It's a great race.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on July 11, 2016, 03:08:09 pm
Ah right. I noticed Borrowdale were asking for a minimum of 2 x AMs. I'll check. I am free the weekend of Holme Moss, but I would have a grim time on that purely down to distance. I've run 20Km since tearing my hamstring 7 weeks ago and it wasn't easy. Obvs hope to be in better shape come October...

It sounds as though it would be wise for me to recce Langdale then.

Or I could just go to the Tor and try link ups  :-\ :lol:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on July 11, 2016, 03:10:33 pm
I'd be more than happy to go to a race near Pendle as can go and visit the old folks in Settle too. Maybe post a few options and be happy to travel there too.

Not exactly Pendle, but how about one of these two :-

Round Hill (7th Aug) - http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4307
Boulsworth Fell (14th Aug) - http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4314

I've done Round Hill before and was planning on doing it again this year, not too hilly but fairly boggy in places at the start and a great descent from the top of Round Hill to the bottom trail. No previous experience of the other one.
Round Hill looks like a good outing, course and more details on here;

http://otleyac.org.uk/round-hill-fell-race/

Could also combine it with a trip to Almscliff in the afternoon. It's in the diary.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on July 11, 2016, 03:38:22 pm
Round hill looks fun, are complete novices allowed to enter?

It says it's partially marked, so I would imagine it will be fairly obvious navigation wise. Depends what you're running background is, but 14Km in a race is not to be sniffed at and with 'only' 335m of ascent it will be fast!
Probably not a bad first fell race, but it is quick at the front of the field as Tom says. Don't remember much marking on the course apart from some tape on the boggy bits, but the nav is pretty obvious in good conditions. There were marshalls at key points too. That said, it can get pretty bleak up there in bad weather (from personal experience) and it was still boggy in August. There's likely to be people to follow for most of the race, but don't rely on it as the field can get pretty strung out towards the front and back of the race. Last year there were no kit requirements, but the race organiser can choose to impose kit if the weather is bad so you need to be able to meet them if you want to run.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on July 11, 2016, 03:57:52 pm
Ah right. I noticed Borrowdale were asking for a minimum of 2 x AMs. I'll check. I am free the weekend of Holme Moss, but I would have a grim time on that purely down to distance. I've run 20Km since tearing my hamstring 7 weeks ago and it wasn't easy. Obvs hope to be in better shape come October...

It sounds as though it would be wise for me to recce Langdale then.

Or I could just go to the Tor and try link ups  :-\ :lol:
Let me know if you fancy some company. The recce round Langdale and not trying link ups at the Tor.  ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on July 11, 2016, 04:53:11 pm
Ah right. I noticed Borrowdale were asking for a minimum of 2 x AMs. I'll check. I am free the weekend of Holme Moss, but I would have a grim time on that purely down to distance. I've run 20Km since tearing my hamstring 7 weeks ago and it wasn't easy. Obvs hope to be in better shape come October...

It sounds as though it would be wise for me to recce Langdale then.

Or I could just go to the Tor and try link ups  :-\ :lol:
Let me know if you fancy some company. The recce round Langdale and not trying link ups at the Tor.  ;)

OK will do. It will be either one day 23/24 July or 30/31 July.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on July 11, 2016, 07:14:18 pm
Cheers stabbs! It transpires my pal Tom is marshalling! What could that required kit include?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on July 11, 2016, 08:52:19 pm
Cheers stabbs! It transpires my pal Tom is marshalling! What could that required kit include?

Waterproof top and bottoms (taped seams)
Hat
Gloves
Whistle
Compass
Map of the route
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on July 12, 2016, 08:35:01 pm
Round Hill looks like a good outing, course and more details on here;

http://otleyac.org.uk/round-hill-fell-race/

..... It's in the diary.

+1. Reckon you might see me there for this one.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on July 13, 2016, 10:35:46 am
Are you all going to wait for me at the finish line?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: uptown on July 18, 2016, 08:24:33 am
I think I'm in for round hill too. :)
How did the RAB go big tub?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on July 18, 2016, 08:53:25 am
I think I'm in for round hill too. :)
How did the RAB go big tub?
missed it in the end  :(

Had a pretty full on week with work and ran a bit Friday plus swimming on Friday and Saturday finished me off. a couple of lads from my running club did it though so will check to see how they got on when results land.

I'm definitely doing Stoney Middleton next week though and then Salt Cellar the following week as had to pre-enter that one. Fingers crossed I might actually get a few races under my belt soon.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on July 18, 2016, 09:14:55 am
Ah right. I noticed Borrowdale were asking for a minimum of 2 x AMs. I'll check. I am free the weekend of Holme Moss, but I would have a grim time on that purely down to distance. I've run 20Km since tearing my hamstring 7 weeks ago and it wasn't easy. Obvs hope to be in better shape come October...

It sounds as though it would be wise for me to recce Langdale then.

Or I could just go to the Tor and try link ups  :-\ :lol:
Let me know if you fancy some company. The recce round Langdale and not trying link ups at the Tor.  ;)

OK will do. It will be either one day 23/24 July or 30/31 July.
30/31 Better for me T_B. Let us know which you choose.

I'm thinking Sheldon, Stoney and Salt Cellar for me BTOL.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on July 18, 2016, 11:24:19 am

30/31 Better for me T_B. Let us know which you choose.


95% sure it will be 30/31 as intending to enter Holme Moss this Sunday after all (I know the course is more like 28.6Km, but I managed 20Km this weekend at a reasonable (for me) pace, and hope I can just grind out the last 9Km). If I survive I'll be in touch next wk.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 01, 2016, 04:30:16 pm
What do you guys normally do regarding footwear / socks in the wet? Just get wet feet and deal with it, or any waterproof socks to recommend that aren't too uncomfortable. What i do can in no way be regarded as fell running (farm tracks and forest trails) but any wet vegetation and my feet are soaked. I usually wear lightweight Brooks pure grit trainers (which I really like) and feetures or decathlon running socks.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on August 01, 2016, 06:06:17 pm
Just get wet feet. It's part of the fun.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 01, 2016, 09:31:50 pm
Yep the quicker draining the shoe the better generally.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on August 02, 2016, 09:07:15 am
Heads up anyone intending to enter Langale. Entries opened yesterday and it's already 2/3rds full.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 02, 2016, 09:17:50 am
Just get wet feet. It's part of the fun.

That's the response I was expecting. Doesn't it make your feet soft and prone to blisters though?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on August 02, 2016, 09:19:21 am
How was Sunday T_B?

Merino wool socks will keep your feet warm when wet Chris.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on August 02, 2016, 09:25:45 am
How was Sunday T_B?

I didn't go. TBH I was still recovering mentally from Holme Moss (toughest day I have had in a very long time), so was sort of relieved when you cancelled! I'd also been over to the Roaches on Saturday and v nearly did a problem I've wanted to do in ages, so went back and finished that off on Sunday morning. But that leaves me with having to find a day to recce it at some point, which might be tricky now. Feel like I need to re-group a bit and already having had four days off running I feel a lot better for it!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on August 02, 2016, 09:28:04 am
Just get wet feet. It's part of the fun.

That's the response I was expecting. Doesn't it make your feet soft and prone to blisters though?

I've found the Inov-8 merino socks really excellent and my feet have got wet a lot in the past 6 months. Some people swear by Injinji. I'm going to get a pair to see what all the fuss it about.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 02, 2016, 10:26:11 am
Merino wool socks will keep your feet warm when wet Chris.

Cool, will get sopme. At this time of the year it's not really the cold, it's more concern about screwing up feet.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 02, 2016, 12:30:07 pm
Heads up anyone intending to enter Langale. Entries opened yesterday and it's already 2/3rds full.

Thanks for the prompt Tom! Just entered so hoping to get match fit by then.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 02, 2016, 12:31:29 pm
I've found the Inov-8 merino socks really excellent and my feet have got wet a lot in the past 6 months.

Amen to that. I like the 'low' version best of all and they've kept me comfortable in winter snow and bog land. Think you can get some good prices on them via Amazon....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 02, 2016, 01:21:47 pm
Heads up anyone intending to enter Langale. Entries opened yesterday and it's already 2/3rds full.
I'm in two minds - I was originally intending to, but it's a week before the fell relays and trying to avoid doing too many races round then as a result. Think I'm going to leave it until another year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 02, 2016, 02:05:16 pm
Just get wet feet. It's part of the fun.

That's the response I was expecting. Doesn't it make your feet soft and prone to blisters though?

I've found the Inov-8 merino socks really excellent and my feet have got wet a lot in the past 6 months. Some people swear by Injinji. I'm going to get a pair to see what all the fuss it about.
I really like them, particularly in warmer months. I use them pretty much exclusively for road and light trail and fell, and only really when its gets in to the depths of winter and need something thicker and merino then I revert to normal socks.

I was skeptical at first and they are a bit of a pain to put on and take off, but once you've had them on for a few minutes you forget about them and they are really comfortable. I've never suffered from blisters when running but you can definitely see how they reduce bunching and pinch points round the toes.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 05, 2016, 09:43:48 pm
Did Salt Cellar fell race tonight. Proper full on tough race with all conditions in the 11km. Steep uphill pull, moorland doubletrack, flag stone section, technical descents, bogs and thrashing through bracken. Didn't embarrass myself too much but the lack of running over the last month definitely showed. Made the most of my downhilling to make up spaces and just about fended off a few on the climbs but still finished in the bottom half I think. Still, really enjoyable race and one I'll definitely look to do again.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on August 06, 2016, 12:35:56 pm
Good effort 'Lard! Couldn't make it last night, but one on my list to tick off.

I was hoping to do Round Hill tomorrow, but logistics aren't allowing it. However, my name has moved from the waiting list to THE list for Pendle 3 Peaks in a couple of weeks time. It'll be my first AM class race so looking forward to albeit with a wee pinch of trepidation. Just hope my tight calves / achilles sort themselves out in the next week or so. Any tips, other then heel drops and rollering??
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: uptown on August 06, 2016, 06:40:19 pm
Did my first fell race in the Lakes last week, really enjoyed it despite the weather! (Clag, rain, wind)
Definitely doing Round Hill tomorrow now - who else will be there?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 06, 2016, 06:51:58 pm
It's definitely worth doing mini, classic racing. I'm having to miss Round Hill tomorrow now too, was hoping to go up and race then see family in Otley but got work to do now. Best of luck uptown and hope it goes well, heard there's a massive bog somewhere on the route.

For Achilles I'd stick with the heel drops and some light foam rollering, had some problems myself a few years back and the drops worked best but it took some time to sort.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: uptown on August 06, 2016, 06:59:20 pm
Thanks Lard, shame you and mini can't make it.
I'll fly the flag for UKb and report back on how it goes.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 07, 2016, 07:35:27 am
I'm heading to Round Hill too - there is a bog, size dependant on recent weather. Looking forward to it.

Hoping to recce Pendle midweek this week too - climbs definitely more savage on that than anything Round Hill has to offer!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on August 07, 2016, 09:12:32 am
I injured my knee running 18km as my fourth run of the year so I'll have to give Round Hill a miss I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 07, 2016, 03:10:03 pm
You all missed out on a good one - weather looked threatening before the off but nothing worse than some light drizzle for a few minutes. The bogs were tame compared to running Blubberhouses 25 in March/April and the descent was as much fun as I remembered from last year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 07, 2016, 03:43:07 pm
Sounds like a good one, will have to pencil it in for definite next year.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: uptown on August 07, 2016, 09:05:55 pm
Round Hill was great; I struggled against the wind going up and took a good tumble coming down but its a really nice route and the bogs added to the fun.
Nice to put a face to the name Neil, good effort on your run!
Definitely be on the calendar for next year.
Any other Yorkshire recommendations happily considered.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on August 07, 2016, 09:32:15 pm
Yes, any other good beginner ones coming up soon?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 08, 2016, 08:43:03 am
There's not many Yorkshire Dales ones I can think of (although it's worth having a trawl through the fixtures on fellrunner.org.uk), but there's a few Peak and North Yorkshire ones I can think of.

- Longshaw (Burbage Valley loop, early Sept)
- Shelf Moor (Bleaklow from Glossop, same weekend as Longshaw)
- Levisham Limping (my club's race, south edge of North York Moors, early Oct)
- Saltergate Gallows (another Moors race, early Nov)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 08, 2016, 08:50:11 am
This is a helpful list of Yorkshire/Derbyshire races too

http://www.steelcitystriders.co.uk/local-race-calendar/

Although I'd never condone using a rival club's website of course...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 08, 2016, 12:46:53 pm
Any of these suit?
http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?m=august&y=2016
http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?m=september&y=2016

If you shout with possibilities someone might have run it before.
The secret code, eg AS -

Amount of climbing:
A steeper
B steep
C less steep

Distance:
S take spare lungs
M takes a while
L take sandwiches
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on August 08, 2016, 05:29:49 pm
This should be perfect. Fully flagged, not much climbing and probably a lot of 'easy' ground - http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4443
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on August 09, 2016, 09:24:36 am
Thanks, looks good!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on August 09, 2016, 08:12:24 pm
This should be perfect. Fully flagged, not much climbing and probably a lot of 'easy' ground - http://fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=4443

I did this a couple of years ago. Very runnable course on good mostly soft grassy paths with a few stoney trails. Definitely not too hilly, so quite a quick course. Thoroughly enjoyed it if I hadn't had been flued up and almost being beat by a V70 despite finishing 25th!!!

The Moorland Tea of various sandwiches and cake for the finishers make it a worthwhile outing and a great tradition - do it Andy!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on August 10, 2016, 09:21:17 am
Just remembered I'm in France! Damn!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on August 11, 2016, 03:12:22 pm
How's everyone's year going so far then? I've been running now for 6 months and have done 5 races. I definitely feel like I've built a reasonable base of endurance/strength and have thoroughly enjoyed the races I've made up in the numbers in ;).

My most recent was Holme Moss (first AL), which was a learning experience. I was painfully slow the last 10km, due to a lack of endurance and inability to maintain a decent pace after about 17km. Loved the steep bits of the course, especially the descent into Crowden Great Brook below Laddow, where I actually passed quite a few people (they all passed me later I might add!). If anyone is thinking about doing this race it was incredibly well marshalled, they even humped water up to Black Hill and Laddow!

Had a bit of a breather since then, but am now focussed on putting in a decent effort on the Lngdale Horseshoe, which is my main objective for the rest of the year. I'm trying to work out what to do to maximise my time between now and then. I think I just about have the base endurance for this type of course, given that I don't struggle so much on the hills, but my speed on the flat is still woeful. I'm thinking about focussing on hill reps and shorter more sustained efforts over the next few weeks, without too much ascent. Throw in the odd longer run or longer outing with more hills, but basically spend less time on Win/Lose Hill/Kinder/Derwent Edges.

I've got 8 weeks to go but with a family holiday in Font in the middle, would it make sense to focus on speed work now/generally trying to improve my running ability, then remind the legs later what walking up hills is like? Or get the ascent out of the way then work on speed in the final few weeks leading up to 8 October? Or mix it up? Any thoughts? I'm definitely still recovering from my hamstring tear and that is affecting my speed on the flat. If I’m honest I’m finding it tough still being so slow and feel like I need to find a new gear to keep the psyche high.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on August 11, 2016, 06:00:30 pm
Personally T_B I wouldn't worry about flat speed for Langdale. There is not much flat stuff on the course. From the start (after a short flat mad dash) to the top of the first the hill will take an hour or so. I found getting to the top of this as fresh as possible worked best and so I spent my time doing reps of Parkin Clough on Win Hill in preparation. Working on running downhill too. The last descent could take half an hour on jelly legs. Of course mix in some speed for fun/change/sanity etc but I wouldn't focus on it for this race.

The blue walking circuit around Dame Jouanne, Manoury and L'Elephant is a good fun route to run on those rainy days in Font if you get chance. All runnable and a few steep sections. Loads of others options in Font I'm sure to keep ticking over.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on August 12, 2016, 09:03:53 am
Morning guys. Long time lurker here, popping out to join this thread. I've just started fell running in the last month or so, having been inspired by a friend of mine doing a BGR. I haven't got a running background (the trauma of being forced to do muddy cross country in knickershorts as a teenager put me off for a long time) and I've got arthritis in one of my ankles so it's going to take a long time before I'm not totally shit but it's really good fun!

I'm not planning to race really (at least until I'm slightly less slow) but I have signed up for the next Rab mini mountain marathon up in the Lakes at the end of the month. Any of you guys going?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on August 12, 2016, 09:04:03 am
Cheers Plattsy. Maybe I just continue doing what I've been doing then, seemed to work OK for B-S in May. I am gonna do some shorter, harder efforts though, as the whole 'increasing your V02 max also increases your stamina over longer distances' makes sense. And for being less out of breath at the top of the hills and being able to get going again quickly.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on August 12, 2016, 09:10:04 am


I'm not planning to race really (at least until I'm slightly less slow) but I have signed up for the next Rab mini mountain marathon up in the Lakes at the end of the month. Any of you guys going?

Not doing the Rab MM but that's the sort of thing I'm interested in getting into next year. For me the races have been more about taking part in an event/the camaraderie, which feels very different to going out on your own/with mates.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on August 12, 2016, 09:53:45 am
You guys make racing sound appealing but at the moment I really am painfully slow! I think until I get a bit fitter I'd find it quite stressful - there's coming in at the back and then there's coming in so far off the back that everyone's packed up and gone home!

I'm looking forward to the MM. I've never done any orienteering and I'm treating it as a nice run with some nav practice. And people will be starting and finishing at different times so it feels much less competitive than a race to me.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 12, 2016, 10:04:25 am
Must admit I'm a bit inspired too. Having done no running whatsoever since the late 80s until last month, I've now managed to get my road running up to 10k in under an hour, and have started looking at the local hill-race calendar.

I expect I'll now have to start including some hill repeats in my training too, fortunately where we live has a streetlit tough climb going right through the middle, so I'll need to work on that.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 12, 2016, 01:48:56 pm
You guys make racing sound appealing but at the moment I really am painfully slow! I think until I get a bit fitter I'd find it quite stressful - there's coming in at the back and then there's coming in so far off the back that everyone's packed up and gone home!

That's extremely unlikely to happen and the best advice I was given was to just get involved. You'll only put it off and lose interest if you don't take the leap at some point. A local short evening race should be just the ticket to get you hooked.

Must admit I'm a bit inspired too.

Ditto to you Mr F!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 12, 2016, 02:13:24 pm
Get into training now and do a few, by the time i hit the over 50s category in 2 1/2 years i might be in with a shot.

Or in a wheelchair.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 12, 2016, 02:17:08 pm
Get into training now and do a few, by the time i hit the over 50s category in 2 1/2 years i might be in with a shot.

Or in a wheelchair.
I thought I might benefit the same when I hit the V40 category. Couldn't have been more wrong, they were even quicker than the open category! And judging by the speed of one of the V60 blokes in my club it may only get tougher...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: al on August 29, 2016, 02:12:24 pm
not sure about the music, but nice input from the runners on this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0184vh6 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0184vh6)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 29, 2016, 02:31:46 pm
http://www.deesiderunners.com/?page_id=29

http://www.scottishhillracing.co.uk/Graphics/Maps/RA-0102-main.jpg

Any thoughts on this as a first race for a virgin? AS is as easy as it gets right? I've hiked and snowboarded (at night) most of the way from the top before, so know the terrain fairly well. Looks like not too huge a field either.

There is the 5 k version I can enter as a Senior (I assume turning around after the first steep section) but think that would be a cop out.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 29, 2016, 03:30:47 pm
http://www.deesiderunners.com/?page_id=29

http://www.scottishhillracing.co.uk/Graphics/Maps/RA-0102-main.jpg

Any thoughts on this as a first race for a virgin? AS is as easy as it gets right? I've hiked and snowboarded (at night) most of the way from the top before, so know the terrain fairly well. Looks like not too huge a field either.

There is the 5 k version I can enter as a Senior (I assume turning around after the first steep section) but think that would be a cop out.
Looks good Chris, a nice steep up and down, simple course though 640m climbing will be fairly tough in one go. As others have said in here though, go for it, you'll get round, you'll not be last and you'll (almost certainly) really enjoy it and want to do more.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 29, 2016, 03:43:10 pm
Yeah, I'm working on hills now! Got a segment through middle of village that is 6.6%, so if I do that enough times I might be half prepared.

Only other one nearby this year is this, but it looks a lot more popular

http://www.scottishhillracing.co.uk/RaceDetails.aspx?RaceID=RA-0105

Be nice to have a bit of fitness once ski touring starts, and not be breathing out my arse on every ascent.

Doing a 42 mile charity bike ride on Saturday, can then focus on running a bit.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on August 30, 2016, 08:46:52 am
Doing hill reps on your bike will help sort you out for the AS btw.

In racing terms, some of the AS routes can be quite savage, with a lot of the most competitive classics being straight up and down a bloody steep hill.

I presume you know the first letter refers to the height gained per mile, with "A" being the steepest at 250', B @ 125', C @ 75' I think.

I'm sure it'll be great fun. Better turn out often, for the short ones too. You'll be fine  ;D

Would be good to have a few photos on this thread I reckon.

Thanks for the Beeb link Al.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 30, 2016, 08:56:32 am

I presume you know the first letter refers to the height gained per mile, with "A" being the steepest at 250', B @ 125', C @ 75' I think.


Yes, I read that, so know about it. There aren't a whole load to choose from locally between now and winter though.

It's mostly heather / grass bashing and jeep track, would these be OK, or something grippier;

http://www.brooksrunning.com/en_gb/puregrit-4-mens-trail-running-shoes/1102021D473.105.html?mkwid=sMiyzCeYu_dc&pcrid=77135233489&pmt=&pkw=&gclid=CJOGg6fU6M4CFQsUGwodJSENmQ

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 30, 2016, 02:05:07 pm
Anyone heading over to Glossop for Shelf Moor on Sunday?

https://glossopdaleharriers.wordpress.com/club-races/shelf-moor-fell-race/

There were a few of us there in 2014 (me, Mini, Steve, maybe some others?), but 2015 clashed with one of the rounds of the English Champs, so I missed it. Looking forward to returning this year - the last descent down Lightside is great!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 30, 2016, 04:27:54 pm
Hope you get stuck in Chris! FWIW, AS races are among my favourite. Blowing out your backside getting fully locked in is just so so good. I did the AS Kirk Fell race at the Wasdale Shepherd's Meet last year on my birthday and it was awesome. A hangover didn't particularly help but Joss was at the finish line which was a great source of inspiration.
Straight up, straight down.  :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on August 30, 2016, 10:03:11 pm

That's extremely unlikely to happen and the best advice I was given was to just get involved. You'll only put it off and lose interest if you don't take the leap at some point. A local short evening race should be just the ticket to get you hooked.


I've been having a look around but can't find anything around the West Yorkshire area that fits the bill. I might have missed the window for a lot of the evening races. I've been away in the Lakes a lot of weekends recently but the next time I've got a weekend at home I'll see if there's something local. There's one called Beefy's Nab on the 18th of September that looks like it might be a good one though, or maybe Utterly Butterly the day after...

I did my mini mountain marathon at the weekend and it was brilliant! I set myself two aims - don't get lost and don't come last - and succeeded at both of them. In fact, I surprised myself by coming 6th out of 13 in my category and 100th out of 170 overall. It was a cracking event and I enjoyed the mixture of strategy, navigation and accurately estimating how fast or hard I could go and I signed up for the next one in November pretty much as soon as I got home!

**Edited because apparently I can't read a calendar!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on August 30, 2016, 11:51:15 pm

Yes, I read that, so know about it. There aren't a whole load to choose from locally between now and winter though.

It's mostly heather / grass bashing and jeep track, would these be OK, or something grippier;

http://www.brooksrunning.com/en_gb/puregrit-4-mens-trail-running-shoes/1102021D473.105.html?mkwid=sMiyzCeYu_dc&pcrid=77135233489&pmt=&pkw=&gclid=CJOGg6fU6M4CFQsUGwodJSENmQ

They look like great trail shoes - and with a wider last, so probably a better fit for most folk, but I'd prefer to go for something with better penetration.

If you'd prefer something less aggressive than a full on fell shoe, the Mizuno Wave Harrier might be a good compromise:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mizuno-Harrier-Trail-Running-Shoes/dp/B005MXJXP8

With a lot of ascent though, there will be sections where you want grip optimised. If it was me, unless there's a lot of hard pack track/stone slab - like Snowdon, I'd go for something more like the Inov-8 Mudclaw or Walsh. Some people even opt for Orienteering shoes with metal dobs.

The Walshes will take a couple of resoles.

These look like a great cost effective alternative. I'd give them a go:

http://www.northernrunner.com/shoes-c133/fell-running-shoes-c226/mountain-bear-ground-control-fell-running-shoes-p1777

I hope there's plenty of mud and clag for you  ;D It'll be great craic after, as everyone says.

Best of luck!  :beer2:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 31, 2016, 10:22:50 am
Thanks Dave, as per PM, I'll probably nip into the local running shop and ask what's best for local connies.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 31, 2016, 02:23:02 pm
Those shoes won't be perfect Chris but you'll get round ok in them. Mudclaws are great for grip and if you're going to do lots over winter it's definitely worth getting a set.

To put footwear in to context, I reccied about 10 miles of the Marsden to Edale route a few years ago in a pair of these;

http://m.adidas.co.uk/superstar-shoes/C77124.html

I'd driven all the way to Crowden in them only to realise I'd left my proper runners at home so thought sod it. Made it to Higher Shelf Stones and Snake Top and back without too much problems though got a few odd looks from a Peak Park ranger up there.....


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 31, 2016, 02:43:09 pm

http://m.adidas.co.uk/superstar-shoes/C77124.html

got a few odd looks from a Peak Park ranger up there.....


I think they were jealous eyes because you looked so fly.

I'll see what the weather is like closer to the time and decide. Don't want to fork out £100 on shoes for something I hate!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 31, 2016, 05:37:56 pm
Might have a peek at Shelf Moor Stabbsy - it's a Helsby counter again - depends what's happening family-wise so not promising :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 31, 2016, 07:15:26 pm

http://m.adidas.co.uk/superstar-shoes/C77124.html

got a few odd looks from a Peak Park ranger up there.....


I think they were jealous eyes because you looked so fly.

I'll see what the weather is like closer to the time and decide. Don't want to fork out £100 on shoes for something I hate!
I think it was a look of resignation that anyone would be daft enough. Probably only that I had proper fell running kit on the rest of me that meant I didn't get a talking to.

Definitely no need to spend lots on a range of shoes, you can run most races in steady trail shoes.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on August 31, 2016, 09:43:04 pm
Thanks Dave, as per PM, I'll probably nip into the local running shop and ask what's best for local connies.

Good stuff. A lot of the shoes would make great approach shoes after. As for something you might hate - I'll bet you'll feel like that at some point in the race.. then you'll sign up for the next one. Always seems to happen!

I'm disappointed by Bigtub's attire btw. I was at least expecting a pair of red stilettos. You'd get some penetration I'm those  ;D
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 01, 2016, 07:17:09 am


I'm disappointed by Bigtub's attire btw. I was at least expecting a pair of red stilettos. You'd get some penetration I'm those  ;D
Stilettos are a pain to drive in though Dave ;)



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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on September 01, 2016, 12:11:45 pm


I'm disappointed by Bigtub's attire btw. I was at least expecting a pair of red stilettos. You'd get some penetration I'm those  ;D
Stilettos are a pain to drive in though Dave ;)



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 :P And stockings slip off the pedals.. now, I'm not trying to imply anything!  ;D
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 01, 2016, 12:28:06 pm


I'm disappointed by Bigtub's attire btw. I was at least expecting a pair of red stilettos. You'd get some penetration I'm those  ;D
Stilettos are a pain to drive in though Dave ;)



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 :P And stockings slip off the pedals.. now, I'm not trying to imply anything!  ;D
Needless to say too Dave that I've been running with this bloke before too.....

https://twitter.com/mikew30/status/746414424328667136


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on September 01, 2016, 01:02:27 pm
 :lol:

Ha ha, that's quality.

Bingley Harriers colours too!

Nice legs  :whistle:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 06, 2016, 01:32:21 pm
I managed to get to Shelf Moor but missed you stabbsy - I had a word with the other guy from your club and he pointed you out ...but then we were lining up for the off in no time. Presumably you were home, showered and changed by the time I got in :)

Anyway good run, enjoyed having the mist down and being not *quite* sure of the route. Saying that it was really well flagged. I ran ok for me and snuck in front of a couple of people that have been thrashing me recently, so all good. Mojo returning.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on September 07, 2016, 12:23:40 pm
Sorry, I missed you - we headed off fairly soon after the presentation to recce the route of the Gravy Pud (another Glossop area race coming up on 4th December - well worth looking out for it). Ended up being a big day out, 14 miles and 2,500ft of climbing with some at race pace. Definitely earned my Sunday roast!

Don't know what it is about Shelf Moor, but I absolutely love it! Ran a very similar time to 2014, although maybe worse conditions - I was faster up the climb and on the descent, but lost a bit of time on the section to and from the trig as I stuck with a group in the mist/cloud. Well pleased with 8th in the end - our other runner Harry was 3rd, so good day out for both of us!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 16, 2016, 09:23:38 am
Good luck to anyone doing the Glen Coe Skyline this weekend. Looks as though it may be a little windy. I think there are some UKBers doing it (wintermute?) and I know a few folk from Sheffield/the Peak who are too. Let us know how you get on!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 16, 2016, 10:01:42 am
At least it's Saturday not Sunday! Hopefully not too windy and can do the standard route? Good luck all.

My return to running continues, managed a very flat 21km on road last night, first time I've done that distance since 1987.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 16, 2016, 10:19:13 am
Nope it's Sunday. The Ring of Steall race and the VK are on Saturday.

Nice one on getting back into it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 16, 2016, 10:19:58 am
Shit, good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 16, 2016, 10:24:31 am
At least it's Saturday not Sunday! Hopefully not too windy and can do the standard route? Good luck all.

My return to running continues, managed a very flat 21km on road last night, first time I've done that distance since 1987.
Great running that Chris, solid half marathon distance. I did my first bit of proper running in about four weeks this week, turns out I've had a dose of pneumonia in early to mid-August; was wondering why I felt like death when I tried to run it off.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Falling Down on September 16, 2016, 06:45:23 pm
What were your symptoms?  Asking for friend...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 16, 2016, 07:00:08 pm
What were your symptoms?  Asking for friend...
very much like a bad chest and cough, painful to cough and as much as anything, feeling really weak doing even fairly simple stuff. I tried running on it and could barely muster a shuffle. Also my appetite plummeted too and kept falling asleep at odd times like on the train home at 5pm...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Falling Down on September 16, 2016, 07:52:28 pm
Sounds rough.  Glad you're OK.  I once did myself a right mischief leading to Bronchitis and a horrible infection running immediately after a bad cough.  Since then my rule of thumb as told by a more experienced runner for was always if it (the cold) is above the neck you're generally OK, below the neck don't bother. 
Title: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 17, 2016, 06:33:43 am
Good advice FD, I'll remember that one from now on for sure


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on September 18, 2016, 07:19:18 pm
Well I finally got out and did my first fell race today. I did Utterley Butterley in Marsden - http://www.utterleybutterley.co.uk/ - a race that advertises itself as a nice introduction to fell running. It was probably more traily than proper fell running but it's a lovely route and today was a cracking day to be out. I came 78th out of 88, which was better than I'd expected given that I've only been running for a couple of months. The most important thing though was that it was brilliant fun, everyone was incredibly friendly (people saying well done as I overtook them was a pleasant surprise) and it turns out that having someone to chase down gives you an extra burst of speed :-)

Just having a look through the FRA site for the next one to do. Have any of you guys done the Withins Skyline race before? It looks like a popular one and you get a free curly wurly for finishing!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 18, 2016, 09:37:54 pm
Great going Julie, always good to get the first race under your belt and make you realise that the competition is always friendly! As others (and probably me) on here have said too, you'll not come last either as you found out.

Not done Withins Skyline but looks like a nice course. And with a free curly wurly its got to be worth it. Keep an eye out for races in the Peak District as well, not too far to get to and generally well attended; hope to make the Leg it round Lathkil this year after missing it last year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on September 18, 2016, 09:50:50 pm
Cheers. It feels good to get the first one done and I might be a bit less nervous next time. Though I'm pretty sure they're not all going to be on gloriously warm and sunny days!

Good point about looking at the Peak. I've not done any running around there yet. I'm doing the next Rab mini mountain marathon in the Peak at the end of November so I could do to go for a recce once they announce the area it'll be held in.

Leg it round Lathkil looks like a good course - hope you make it. I'd be keen but I'm hoping to be out sport climbing in Lleida around that time.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 19, 2016, 09:52:06 am
Good luck to anyone doing the Glen Coe Skyline this weekend. Looks as though it may be a little windy. I think there are some UKBers doing it (wintermute?) and I know a few folk from Sheffield/the Peak who are too. Let us know how you get on!

Any feedback?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 19, 2016, 10:04:31 am
Good luck to anyone doing the Glen Coe Skyline this weekend. Looks as though it may be a little windy. I think there are some UKBers doing it (wintermute?) and I know a few folk from Sheffield/the Peak who are too. Let us know how you get on!

Any feedback?

Well one friend described it on Strava as her best day running in the mountains ever.

I'd love to be fit enough to try something like that, the idea of combining scrambling with running appeals massively.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 19, 2016, 10:20:20 am
Well I finally got out and did my first fell race today. I did Utterley Butterley in Marsden - http://www.utterleybutterley.co.uk/ - a race that advertises itself as a nice introduction to fell running. It was probably more traily than proper fell running but it's a lovely route and today was a cracking day to be out. I came 78th out of 88, which was better than I'd expected given that I've only been running for a couple of months. The most important thing though was that it was brilliant fun, everyone was incredibly friendly (people saying well done as I overtook them was a pleasant surprise) and it turns out that having someone to chase down gives you an extra burst of speed :-)

Just having a look through the FRA site for the next one to do. Have any of you guys done the Withins Skyline race before? It looks like a popular one and you get a free curly wurly for finishing!

Nice one Julie, glad you enjoyed it. I have only been running this year, so don't have much experience of many races and haven't done Withins, but I like the sound of it!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 19, 2016, 11:28:13 am
I'd love to be fit enough to try something like that, the idea of combining scrambling with running appeals massively.

Me too, qualification criteria seem a bit onerous though. I'm sure I'd be fine, just need to prove it to them though.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 19, 2016, 12:57:54 pm
Yes, I agree (about qualifying, not about being capable to do it!). Do you get points for Ring of Steall? It would seem obvious to get people to enter that and depending on their performance in that event one year, allow them entry to the Skyline the following year. The organisers having eyeballed you.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 19, 2016, 02:23:44 pm
Just reading the criteria on the site, I think the Ring of Steall or Mamores VK might qualify you? Although it's a bit vague.

http://www.skylinescotland.com/glen-coe-skyline/information/#displayEntryProcessMinimumExperience
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 19, 2016, 02:29:10 pm
The mountain running experience must be from within the last 5 years, and include details of a mountain run or mountain race of similar severity to the Salomon Glen Coe Skyline™. Aspirant competitors must provide specific examples of named and dated races, and/or mountain running experience.

I interpret that as a 50K+ race with similar amount of ascent.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 19, 2016, 02:32:10 pm
Probably. Depends on definition of "severity"

Be a bit shit if the Peak one  for example (at 47k) wasn't a qualifier

https://skyrunninguk.com/calendar/

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 20, 2016, 09:16:29 am
Just noticed Peak-based Dave Sykes ran the Three Shires in 2:47:19 on Saturday, then warmed down with the Glen Coe Skyline on Sunday in 11:19:57 #monster  :o
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on September 20, 2016, 11:50:54 am
Just noticed Peak-based Dave Sykes ran the Three Shires in 2:47:19 on Saturday, then warmed down with the Glen Coe Skyline on Sunday in 11:19:57 #monster  :o

Shitting hell!  :o My legs are still feeling a bit tired from my little 5 miler! What a beast.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 20, 2016, 12:22:53 pm
Yeah I've read a bit about tapering and I'm sure it doesn't recommend 20Km/1200m of ascent the day before your toughest race of the year!

Still, pretty inspirational and says a lot about recovery and what's possible. I'm still as crap speed-wise as I was earlier in the year, the thing I've really noticed is how much more quickly I'm recovering between runs.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 20, 2016, 12:23:58 pm
Amazing. Hope he didn't drive between them??
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on September 20, 2016, 01:57:07 pm
The mountain running experience must be from within the last 5 years, and include details of a mountain run or mountain race of similar severity to the Salomon Glen Coe Skyline™. Aspirant competitors must provide specific examples of named and dated races, and/or mountain running experience.

I interpret that as a 50K+ race with similar amount of ascent.

I did it last year, entered off 2 ALs, some BG recces and bit of mountaineering, if its got more popular might be more selective in who they let in. Its a fantastic race, route/atmosphere, everything. Despite the distance/ascent/scrambling, a lot of it is very runable on good paths and trails, very different the tussocky terrain on things like the Lakeland classics which I really struggle on.

In the same weekend as the three shires is crazy.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 20, 2016, 03:18:42 pm
Sounds like Glencoe Skyrunner might have tightened up, I think it was the most popular and hardest of the series so guess they could be more selective. I'm fairly sure a mate of mine got turned down with lots of ultra and AM/AS experience - it's the techy stuff they're looking for. He'd done the Lakes Skyrunner the year before when they simplified it and took out Pinnacle Ridge  and don't think that got him in. We did V3K this year - assume that'd get you in but it was full by then.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Falling Down on September 24, 2016, 04:41:34 pm
I've been at my parents in Cilcain all week and done a few nice runs around Moel Famau, Moel Arthur and Pantymwyn.  It's been a real visceral pleasure running in the hills again compared to the Union canal and Regent's Park.  The legs aren't used to going up and down mind...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 26, 2016, 09:33:45 am
http://www.deesiderunners.com/?page_id=29

http://www.scottishhillracing.co.uk/Graphics/Maps/RA-0102-main.jpg

Any thoughts on this as a first race for a virgin? AS is as easy as it gets right? I've hiked and snowboarded (at night) most of the way from the top before, so know the terrain fairly well. Looks like not too huge a field either.

Too ill to do it :( Been full of cold since Wednesday, so decided probably not sensible in the crap weather.

Are these any good fur running in BTW? Managed to grab the last of the XLs.

http://www.rockrun.com/rab-lithium-jacket-formula-one
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on September 27, 2016, 06:13:27 pm
Got a similar jacket to that from Montane Chris, great for autumn and early winter running, especially when it's cool and breezy. Actually quite good in moderate rain and drizzle too as dries so quickly when running. Got it at a bargain price there too.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 28, 2016, 03:39:24 pm
Looks good that Chris, nice find! I bought a pair of these for my winter cycling campaign but will be packing them into my fell running pack since they'll offer a bit more warmth than the thin Inov8 things I've got on really cold days:

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/GLPXHWG/planet-x-365-convertible-race-glove

Cheap too!

A bit nervous about the Langdale race now. All I've been doing is cycling for the past few months bar a 1.5 mile jog the other night with the dog that resulted in a bout of runner's knee! Should be ok on soft ground/ascent mind.

Many else in for this classic?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 28, 2016, 04:14:00 pm

A bit nervous about the Langdale race now. All I've been doing is cycling for the past few months bar a 1.5 mile jog the other night with the dog that resulted in a bout of runner's knee! Should be ok on soft ground/ascent mind.

Many else in for this classic?

I guess I've been training specifically for it the past 3 wks and have clocked up over 5000m of ascent. I'm a bit over walking uphill tbh and dreaming of going bouldering on the grit! Having not been able to recce the course, I'm obviously hoping the weather is not ming, as it'd be a shame to get lost after all this build up. I reckon I must be fitter than I was pre hamstring tear (i.e. back at the end of May), but I'm trying not to have any expectations as I know how rough the ground is. If I can maintain a reasonable pace and not be in a 'hanging on for the finish' situation as per Holme Moss then I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on September 30, 2016, 11:45:23 pm
Can't really claim to be doing any "fell running" but I have a conundrum:

Earlier in the year I tried to keep up with some runners doing a trot up from Coniston Water to the quarries and back down - cue IT band hell for a week or so. Tried a very unhilly run in my local park a week or two later and it flared up.

But.

The last 4 weeks I've jogged/skipped/trotted downhill with a pack on in America on numerous occasions. e.g. from Longs Peak (1500m descent, 25% of the steeper/stepped stuff jogged), half dome (again ~1500 descent, ~50% jogged/run, the rest walked (flat/uphill bits)) and numerous smaller stuff.

I did tire quite a bit on half dome, still suffering DOMS a few days later....but....IT bands generally ok.

SO, I think it's trying to go UPHILL too fast that makes mine flare. What's the simple advice for fixing this (not running uphill is not the answer!)

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 01, 2016, 08:44:26 am
I had almost the exact opposite a few years back; could run uphill as hard as liked, flats were fine too but as soon as I headed down an incline, even slight, I was in pain and had to hobble.

Ended up with it being down to imbalance in my quads, hips and lower back muscles according to the physio at the time, fixed it with a bout of core stability exercises like single leg squats and lots of stretching. I expect you'll fix it with something similar albeit probably a different regime of exercises.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on October 01, 2016, 09:15:59 am
Build up slowly with more frequent, short runs? Get a foam roller and roll your IT band regularly?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on October 01, 2016, 10:54:10 am
Pretty much as suggested above, treat the route cause, which most likely is an already tight IT band. Rolling helps as well as squats and, for me, hip drops (standing sideways onto a step with one leg over the edge, then drop that leg to below the step, then lift up above and repeat).  Fairly common, let Google be your friend.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on October 03, 2016, 09:37:30 am
Monolith & T_B - I know it's a bit early to be sure but looking at the long range forecast you'll have a cracking day for the Langdale race!

Didn't get much done in the last week due to a cold but managed to get out yesterday for an orienteering event on Birkett Common near Kirkby Stephen. It wasn't great for running (I struggle when there's a lot of stopping and starting) but I mainly did it for some navigation practice. Lots of fun, even if I mostly got burnt off by 14 year olds!

Possibly a stupid question but I've got another race this weekend and I was wondering what you guys normally do for a pre-race warm up? I struggled on Utterley Butterley as all I'd done was a quick run around the cricket ground followed by a short stretch, and by mile 2 my legs went a bit crampy and I struggled to get them relaxed again. I ended up walking for a bit until I got them moving properly and lost a lot of time so any advice would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 03, 2016, 09:46:11 am
Get a foam roller and roll your IT band regularly?

This. And a lacrosse ball, and stretching. Rowie had probs with IT and she did this.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 03, 2016, 09:57:14 am
Monolith & T_B - I know it's a bit early to be sure but looking at the long range forecast you'll have a cracking day for the Langdale race!

Didn't get much done in the last week due to a cold but managed to get out yesterday for an orienteering event on Birkett Common near Kirkby Stephen. It wasn't great for running (I struggle when there's a lot of stopping and starting) but I mainly did it for some navigation practice. Lots of fun, even if I mostly got burnt off by 14 year olds!

Possibly a stupid question but I've got another race this weekend and I was wondering what you guys normally do for a pre-race warm up? I struggled on Utterley Butterley as all I'd done was a quick run around the cricket ground followed by a short stretch, and by mile 2 my legs went a bit crampy and I struggled to get them relaxed again. I ended up walking for a bit until I got them moving properly and lost a lot of time so any advice would be appreciated.
It's really hard to judge as everyone has a different way of warming up. Personally I'm really lazy, and do at most about 5 mins of gentle jogging and little if any stretching but it works ok for me and seem to improve through the race.

Based on what you've said though you might want a longer warm up, perhaps a bit more light jogging and more stretching. Also don't underestimate what you eat before a race. If I'm taking it seriously I'll have something like porridge about 2 to 3 hours before even if it's an evening race in summer. Just works for me. And drink lots of water on the day too before the race starts.

Just experiment on training runs as to warm up routines and food/water and you'll land on something that works for you.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on October 03, 2016, 10:56:06 am
Monolith & T_B - I know it's a bit early to be sure but looking at the long range forecast you'll have a cracking day for the Langdale race!


Shhh!


Possibly a stupid question but I've got another race this weekend and I was wondering what you guys normally do for a pre-race warm up? I struggled on Utterley Butterley as all I'd done was a quick run around the cricket ground followed by a short stretch, and by mile 2 my legs went a bit crampy and I struggled to get them relaxed again. I ended up walking for a bit until I got them moving properly and lost a lot of time so any advice would be appreciated.

I've experienced the same as you have with the shorter races, so I need to work out how to warm up effectively. I just jog around self-consciously for a bit wondering if I'm tiring myself out :-[

I've noticed top runners seem to do 1- 2Km warm up for longer races, 2-3Km for shorter races. Dunno if they do strides or whatever, but I'm guessing so?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on October 03, 2016, 11:25:03 am
Itband, really hurt mine in the glencoe skyline last year, pretty much limped the last 5km, think it was just the amount of ascent and descent. What really worked for sorting it out was  side leg lifts  (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=itbs+side+leg+raises&espv=2&biw=1043&bih=169&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS5fj8pb7PAhUMBMAKHQ_iD2MQsAQIMQ&dpr=1), 3 x 30 each leg daily for a month, didn't bother with threadbands. Squats as well, squats are awesome.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on October 03, 2016, 11:37:01 am
For me it depends on the race and how hard I'm going to be going at the start - on Saturday I did minimal warm-up (1k jog with knee-lifts/bum kicks), but that was a longish race with a downhill start. For a 5k/10k, I'd do similar but longer (2-3km) with some acceleration runs or harder efforts. For a short fell race, I'll normally do some hill efforts. I generally finish any harder efforts about 15/20 mins before the race. I've never really read any of the science behind this and just use the warm-up we do before track sessions as a bit of a guide - definitely need to do more as I've got older/quicker (not sure which is the over-riding factor!).

Itband, really hurt mine in the glencoe skyline last year, pretty much limped the last 5km, think it was just the amount of ascent and descent. What really worked for sorting it out was  side leg lifts  (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=itbs+side+leg+raises&espv=2&biw=1043&bih=169&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS5fj8pb7PAhUMBMAKHQ_iD2MQsAQIMQ&dpr=1), 3 x 30 each leg daily for a month, didn't bother with threadbands. Squats as well, squats are awesome.

For IT band, what he said. Possibly depends on the cause, but my issue was weak glutes. Kept me out of running for 3 months last year, plus a couple of months to get back to any sort of pace. Bit of theraband initially, then side leg raises with leg angled back behind the hip to engage glutes, one-legged squats and foam rolling. Still do the exercises every week or so to prevent recurrence.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on October 03, 2016, 11:58:51 am

It's really hard to judge as everyone has a different way of warming up. Personally I'm really lazy, and do at most about 5 mins of gentle jogging and little if any stretching but it works ok for me and seem to improve through the race.

Based on what you've said though you might want a longer warm up, perhaps a bit more light jogging and more stretching. Also don't underestimate what you eat before a race. If I'm taking it seriously I'll have something like porridge about 2 to 3 hours before even if it's an evening race in summer. Just works for me. And drink lots of water on the day too before the race starts.

Just experiment on training runs as to warm up routines and food/water and you'll land on something that works for you.

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Ta. Definitely regretted the greasy sausage butty a couple of hours before the race, running is much less forgiving of bad diet choices than cycling!

Good point about training runs. My usual evening loop is about 5 miles and I tend to run the first 3/4 of a mile (nicely downhill then flat) then stop for a decent stretch. That seems to work well for warming my legs up before the first uphill bit.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on October 03, 2016, 12:13:15 pm

Shhh!


Oops, sorry, didn't mean to jinx it! Weather forecast, what weather forecast?


I've experienced the same as you have with the shorter races, so I need to work out how to warm up effectively. I just jog around self-consciously for a bit wondering if I'm tiring myself out :-[

I've noticed top runners seem to do 1- 2Km warm up for longer races, 2-3Km for shorter races. Dunno if they do strides or whatever, but I'm guessing so?

That seems like a good plan. I also worried about tiring myself out but I've found I don't tend to get into my stride until I've got a couple of miles under my belt. On a longer and slower run I can absorb it but for a short race I reckon an extra mile warming up would be well worth it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 03, 2016, 02:49:23 pm
Can't really claim to be doing any "fell running" but I have a conundrum:

Earlier in the year I tried to keep up with some runners doing a trot up from Coniston Water to the quarries and back down - cue IT band hell for a week or so. Tried a very unhilly run in my local park a week or two later and it flared up.

But.

The last 4 weeks I've jogged/skipped/trotted downhill with a pack on in America on numerous occasions. e.g. from Longs Peak (1500m descent, 25% of the steeper/stepped stuff jogged), half dome (again ~1500 descent, ~50% jogged/run, the rest walked (flat/uphill bits)) and numerous smaller stuff.

I did tire quite a bit on half dome, still suffering DOMS a few days later....but....IT bands generally ok.

SO, I think it's trying to go UPHILL too fast that makes mine flare. What's the simple advice for fixing this (not running uphill is not the answer!)

Clamshells, clamshells, clamshells! This exercise helps your glute medius get a workout and you'll be surprised how long you'll be able to sustain this at first (not very long with a theraband of appropriate resistance!). Coupled with core exercises and glute bridges, I've learnt that these all keep ITB issues at bay. Some ideas here:

https://runnersconnect.net/running-injury-prevention/the-top-5-hip-strengthening-exercises-for-runners-to-prevent-injury-and-improve-hip-drive/


Shame I'm not practising what I preach though of late since a very short jog brought it on again for me the other day. Guess that's what you can expect if you don't run for a while and only cycle/fail to condition!

Saturday is going to kill me; Langdale followed by the annual all night Battle of Trafalgar party in Liverpool.  :'(
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on October 03, 2016, 03:19:52 pm
Ref Langdale, I'm assuming they'll open a field for parking? Nowt on the FRA forum about this.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 03, 2016, 05:55:55 pm
Yep where you'd normally turn right into the Olde Dungeon Ghyll car park at the T junction. The gate straight ahead will open into a field for the car park and registration. The start is over a bridge and through a gate. Don't forget to pick up your pie/pasty at the end from the pub and maybe have a wesh in the stream.  :ohmy:

Good luck and enjoy!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Falling Down on October 03, 2016, 07:24:27 pm
Heel pain - advice sought.

I turned my ankle over a couple of weeks back whilst running in Wales treading on a loose rock.  The usual yelp of pain and flash of stars in the head followed by some walking gingerly then realising it was OK so carried on with the run.  A bit of bruising and swelling in the ankle the next day but nothing serious.

Since then I've had some pain in the heel whilst walking.  It's entered specifically on the strike point, like a bruise rather than a sharp pain.

Went for a run yesterday and it hurt a few hours afterwards and was really sore getting up this morning and through the day.  Enough to wince and limp a bit whilst walking around.

I've had plenty of running injuries over the years but this is a new one.  Research on the web suggests it's not uncommon after turning an ankle is perhaps tendon related rather than a small fracture which would explain why it didn't hurt at all whilst running yesterday but was bad today.

Anyone else had anything similar and if so, any advice?

It's annoying as I've been keen to start running properly again but had a bad cold/lurgy in August and now this.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 04, 2016, 09:16:05 am
Have you tried rolling it by standing on a a lacrosse ball or similar? I sometimes get spasms in muscles under my feet and a good workout loosening them up helps.

I'd still see a specialist though.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Falling Down on October 04, 2016, 07:27:16 pm
Thanks Chris - it was much easier today and I've had a wiggle around getting changed after work. If I stress the foot/ankle in the same position as if I've twisted it it makes the heel hurt which suggests it's still a tissue injury from the twist rather than anything more serious.  I'll do some gentle jogging this week and see how it feels afterwards.  Good beta on the ball thing, I've never done that before so will give it a try, especially as I'm running a lot on Tarmac now compared to when I was in the Peak.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Shabar on October 04, 2016, 10:32:23 pm
Definitely endorse what everyone else has been saying about IT bands - weak glute med was the cause for me, all the aforementioned exercises helped, although I'd also recommend an all round strength and conditioning routine for glutes, quads, hamstrings, and core. I've been guilty of hammering the rehab for one issue, only to develop another a few months later as I've ended up a bit unbalanced. Plus strong core's good for climbing too innit. Plus massage/rolling/balling/selfmassage as much as you can. I go to London once a week and feel a bit self conscious using the hand rails on the tube to loosen glutes!

I'd also say that for any injury, including that heel pain, it's worth seeing a physio/GP if short on cash.. But self-diagnosing/listening to internet "experts" like myself (I'm sure others are way more qualified) is obviously sub-optimal compared to actually seeing someone who knows what they're doing.

On the warming up front, takes me a couple of miles. If it's a short race I'll do a few strides towards the end of my warm up, and I also throw in a bit of dynamic stretching before everything, even for steady training runs.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on October 05, 2016, 08:28:44 am
Wasn’t sure where to put this so I’m plumped for here…….. Jasmin Paris! This year she has:

Pretty bloody incredible year!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on October 05, 2016, 09:05:56 am
And the three rounds all done within 6 months, plus Paddy Buckley 2 weeks after winning the Glen Coe Skyline!

https://www.inov-8.com/blog/jasmin-paris-record-breaker/

Amazaballs!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Shabar on October 05, 2016, 09:10:24 am
Not to mention getting married and holding down a full time job. Superhuman!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: OffshoreAndy on October 05, 2016, 09:35:12 am
Not sure if people have seen this Dusk till Dawn Ultra in the Peak but looks a lot of fun/pain. You get 14 hours to cover 50 miles in the dark,being chased by the reaper and trying to beat the sun.

http://beyondmarathon.com/dusk-til-dawn/

Gutted I can't make it but having run another of these -The Gritstone Grind like the idea of these low key, low cost events
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 10, 2016, 10:16:00 am
Ref Langdale, I'm assuming they'll open a field for parking? Nowt on the FRA forum about this.

Good to meet you on Saturday Tom! Sorry I had to shoot off so soon after the race. I was straight off to a formal dinner/party afterwards that ended at 5.30am Sunday. Needless to say, I am in bits today!

Hope to catch you again soon for another race!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 10, 2016, 10:21:35 am
Happy with your time?

Other that what google throws up, any recommended advice for planar fasciitis. Did first 5 k for about 3 weeks on Saturday and bottom of heel hurts like hell.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on October 10, 2016, 11:06:07 am
Good effort at Langdale Tom and Tom. Looked like a great day out and an exciting end to the championships - Simon Bailey taking 2nd place by 5 secs to win the overall again!

Who's at the relays this weekend? I'm heading up on Wednesday for (very) long weekend - my favourite event of the year (along with Calderdale).

Other that what google throws up, any recommended advice for planar fasciitis. Did first 5 k for about 3 weeks on Saturday and bottom of heel hurts like hell.

I don't think there's a silver bullet for this and, as with lots of injuries, it's just a symptom and depends on the cause. In my case, I had a bout caused by tight calves so I just did a chunk of stretching/foam-rollering on my calves and it sorted itself out. If I feel it coming back, I revert to the same exercises to manage it. I've heard of others where the cause was their arches collapsing, which could be lots of things - over-pronation, weak glutes, etc. I'd have thought you need to work out what's causing yours or just do some general stretching and strengthening work to see if it sorts itself out.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 10, 2016, 11:23:41 am
Thanks Stabbsy.

Langdale perhaps best summarised through a mini report:

Having last ran at the Anniversary Waltz race several months back, other than two 1.5 mile jogs there wasn’t any running in the locker. I had somewhat naively misinterpreted Wendy Dodds’ advice that “cycling can be a substitution for running at any time” (or something very close to those lines!).

Needless to say, this proved my undoing and several months of road cycling had me tight as a steel cable. The climb up Pavey Ark felt effortless from having acquired stronger legs on the bike and I wanted to let rip on this first climb a lot more than I was able to due to the slew of runners ahead.

Thankfully I didn’t get to realise this ambition as cramp kicked in during the second mile! Nightmare! The rest of the race was spent shovelling jelly babies and gels in like a mad man to keep this at bay as best as I could. Bizarrely, I was able to continue without stopping somehow and even managed to overtake a few folk who had been some way ahead of me near the start. There was a good bit of cramped-up lolling around on the grass going on from these poor souls.  The GPS watch died at around this point so it was nice to forget about what lay ahead!


I’d wanted to hit a time of 3hrs and had I have continued running and racing as much as I had been earlier in the year, I feel that I could have done. Alas, I ended up with 3hrs 34mins and it was probably a minor miracle that I even made this.

Weather-wise it was a stunning day and the sort of conditions you would dream of. The atmosphere was as convivial as ever at a race and it was great to catch up with plenty of fellow Bowland runners.

Time to lay off the bike a bit I think and reassess how my training plan might look from now on.  It’s an ongoing battle with 3 lower back issues but a private consultation, MRI report and good Osteo seem to be helping in understanding and working with these issues.
Roll on 2017!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on October 10, 2016, 11:28:34 am
Cheers Tom. I hadn't realised you'd just finished too. I was somewhat short of breath...  ;)

What an amazing race. Pretty obvious why it's considered such a classic. My favourite section was below Esk Pike where you could get some respite hopping across the rocks. Also snatched some views across from Bowfell to the East Buttress of Scafell, lit up in the sun.

I had a full bog splat on Martcrag Moor, having to heave myself out. Well funny. And missed the bad step by accidentally going down some really steep ground to the right, which sort of worked out fine as there was a bit of a 'scene' going on on the bad step. It's probably quicker to go round though tbh.

I'd decided not to get too stressed about the inevitable bun fight start and just to take it easy up to Thunacar Knott. So whilst in hindsight maybe I could have gone a bit faster at the start it meant I really enjoyed the middle and latter half of the race and gained 41 places between C1 and the finish. Time a bit slower than I would have hoped for (was aiming for 3hrs20mins, came in at 3hrs35mins), but at least I could run off Pike O Blisco.

Took Plattsy's advice and had a wonderful wash in the river at the end, and even had time for a pint/pasty.

Running that course in under 2 hours is just so frickin incredible I can't really get my head around it. It's not like the really runnable sections are on an even surface!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 10, 2016, 01:26:08 pm
Definitely back next year and be good to share a pint afterwards eh Tom?

You're at 28mins 36sec here and I at 44mins dead. Quiet lunch today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr3EPJrAM90
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 10, 2016, 04:00:31 pm
Top work people - sounds like one to add to the CV!

I'm at the relays Stabbsy - agree on it being a highlight of the year and indeed one of the reasons I finally joined a club was to get a chance to run in these. I'm off first for Helsby with the aim of giving Leg 2 plenty of people to chase. I've swapped from our 'funner' team because one of the faster guys has picked up a hamstring niggle.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on October 10, 2016, 04:36:06 pm
Wow, looks like an amazing day out. Well done to both of you! It's definitely in the calendar for next year as something to work towards.

I ran in the Withins Skyline race yesterday. Found it really tough - turns out that a late night with prosecco cocktails and gin the night before is not conducive to feeling great running  :badidea:

We got there a bit late so barely had time to warm up, especially since the booze and a 2 day diet of nothing but curry necessitated a fairly urgent pre-race toilet trip! Ended up right at the back, fell in a bog up to mid thigh at one point and generally limped round but made up a handful of places with a burst of energy at the end. I'm trying not to be disheartened by finishing at the back though - taking part and coming nearly last is still better than not racing, right?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 10, 2016, 05:05:24 pm
turns out that a late night with prosecco cocktails and gin the night before is not conducive to feeling great running 

Who knew! Hope it really was a "falling in a bog up to mid thigh"

not

(http://i.imgur.com/Mkfdry0.jpg)


Good effort for finishing!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on October 10, 2016, 06:40:41 pm

Who knew! Hope it really was a "falling in a bog up to mid thigh"


Haaa! It might have ended up like that if I hadn't managed to get to the toilet beforehand - four curries in two days does not make for happy guts!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on October 10, 2016, 07:32:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Mkfdry0.jpg)

Or why caffeine gels are not always the best idea....

I'm at the relays Stabbsy - agree on it being a highlight of the year and indeed one of the reasons I finally joined a club was to get a chance to run in these. I'm off first for Helsby with the aim of giving Leg 2 plenty of people to chase. I've swapped from our 'funner' team because one of the faster guys has picked up a hamstring niggle.

We've only got one team and I'm on the 3rd leg. My other half is on the second leg for the Totley ladies' team so I'll be out and about spectating for the first hour or so. I'll keep an eye out for you.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 13, 2016, 10:55:58 am
Who's at the relays this weekend? I'm heading up on Wednesday for (very) long weekend - my favourite event of the year (along with Calderdale).

Bowland has been a member short this week but hopefully we'll find a candidate to fill the gap. I'd have loved to go but already have plans. Good luck at it Stabbsy!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 13, 2016, 11:13:19 am

Other that what google throws up, any recommended advice for planar fasciitis. Did first 5 k for about 3 weeks on Saturday and bottom of heel hurts like hell.

I don't think there's a silver bullet for this and, as with lots of injuries, it's just a symptom and depends on the cause. In my case, I had a bout caused by tight calves so I just did a chunk of stretching/foam-rollering on my calves and it sorted itself out. If I feel it coming back, I revert to the same exercises to manage it. I've heard of others where the cause was their arches collapsing, which could be lots of things - over-pronation, weak glutes, etc. I'd have thought you need to work out what's causing yours or just do some general stretching and strengthening work to see if it sorts itself out.

Seems it's not PF, just an inflammation of the fatty pad, which is apparently good news, not too bad to heal. Told to do loads of stretching before running, after running and any time in between. Recommended foam roller and knobbly ball, plus rolling arches with a frozen 2 l bottle of water, all of which seem to be helping. Recommended not running for a week or two until it feels better, annoying as we're on holiday in Callander next week, and there is an excellent trail system around there. Guess I'll have to try get my mountain bike to the top of Ben Ledi instead of running up.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Boogster on October 16, 2016, 11:05:13 pm
Hi guys. Just cheekily joined the Strava group. Been running since the beginning of the year (with some gaps) after being challenged to run a half marathon, but have always intended to end up in the fells. Mostly roads/trails around Sheffield and the Peak up till now, but hope to start racing asap.
Mark
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on October 19, 2016, 05:14:06 pm

Other that what google throws up, any recommended advice for planar fasciitis. Did first 5 k for about 3 weeks on Saturday and bottom of heel hurts like hell.

I don't think there's a silver bullet for this and, as with lots of injuries, it's just a symptom and depends on the cause. In my case, I had a bout caused by tight calves so I just did a chunk of stretching/foam-rollering on my calves and it sorted itself out. If I feel it coming back, I revert to the same exercises to manage it. I've heard of others where the cause was their arches collapsing, which could be lots of things - over-pronation, weak glutes, etc. I'd have thought you need to work out what's causing yours or just do some general stretching and strengthening work to see if it sorts itself out.

Seems it's not PF, just an inflammation of the fatty pad, which is apparently good news, not too bad to heal. Told to do loads of stretching before running, after running and any time in between. Recommended foam roller and knobbly ball, plus rolling arches with a frozen 2 l bottle of water, all of which seem to be helping. Recommended not running for a week or two until it feels better, annoying as we're on holiday in Callander next week, and there is an excellent trail system around there. Guess I'll have to try get my mountain bike to the top of Ben Ledi instead of running up.

If you want to go for a ride/boulder gimme a shout, I should be free some of next week.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on October 19, 2016, 05:44:50 pm
Welcome aboard boogster.

I suspect the relays this past weekend will go down as one of the tougher of recent editions. I was on Leg 1 and redlining a lot of it, first mile was just shy of 20 mins, so fairly climby. Less than 3 miles all in but around 1200' of climbing. Up in the mist and a lot of single file staring at the cheeks of the person in front till it opened out a bit on the traversy descent. Cursing the tight-fisted lack of tread on my old x-Talons. Time to shop I guess. Think I got by far easiest stretch though - 2 was long, 3 had some sneaky checkpoints and 4 had plenty of climbing.

Comedy Leg 3 strava fly-by:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14716220_1794851247461486_1383904034497129741_n.jpg?oh=88dab796303b3b750deca9167011cd97&oe=5893A2FC)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on October 21, 2016, 05:59:09 pm
Mini fell running yyfy.

Went for a hillwalk/fell run hybrid last week around the Tyndrum 4. 30km & 1600m. Ran a lot of the flats and downhills...destroyed my hip flexors the my IT bands flared up (unsurprisingly) Final descent was....disgusting!

So, went for another, shorter one today - Driesh and Mayar, only 850m ascent and 14.5km. Got round in 2hr 44 mins. Ran the first 3km, then power trudged to the top of Mayar, then ran 80% of the descents/flats, having a few stops to stretch the hamstrings, quads, hip flexors & IT bands when things started to tighten up.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/aL98VHBe04Swg3uj-_rB4AbQyhcMlKI367LVUgQvY0ShYl3nuBM9ZdsB6RF1LNx8tgGw9IhB0wSZZ-bQLKwxM2tUtmizvJCEtBPJe8OnDjeiubqlKwtgo9XNXGHBSqEcDTJ_JePVwVgSuCrJ3SdSCqYNb9oKBZNXspwdWauvZt3g-GRaZlqKy0Q30fAtjbvwvMfg0eIRFU-X7e_GaZ6G3QTyewYFSXSd66V0aq1CtaLieMWnQ69gBAcGB90O_iiQpEoTUTgsd1XJGsqt5KoXAmIgduxNZXu1pPF94i0sp5eax1bsP7n_Z5KGkp2DqiOPdZSZWELHzjptykpSk30HRxKI-3W8Gr0MpinqYaql7XH64uYVONOM2TXshPGnFF_VuGSxw0zBPXqCnab3IB7u7a6jC-tELIHLkBZUa1Yd2SJfGX6FkkqWDCc_vC6P8MnGrrLgar25U3_cZeB68gZ-Nfx7Jz9HsMObZyHR51jJwvZkU7VsJdeKbE1N2udPznWS6DygOL_vgRnbe9aLbXu_-P-d8hdfupOOHZa-MoS2s5RqxATF1geDeU12sjTgF1MG2cnlbTLz6fyXvudqufvDPLwxspC8zvONOya2kOG7kLIeHkIf=w400-h220-no)

Next up will be some shorter, less steep runs where I can hopefully run the full thing! Quite fun this fell running thing when you can actually do it...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on October 22, 2016, 02:30:20 pm
Good distance and vertical there Fultonius and a nice part of the world in which to do it too. Keep it up.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 24, 2016, 01:51:00 pm
Plus 2 new munros? In spite of climbing in both corrie fee and winter corrie, I've never tagged the summits.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 24, 2016, 02:14:58 pm
Hi guys. Just cheekily joined the Strava group. Been running since the beginning of the year (with some gaps) after being challenged to run a half marathon, but have always intended to end up in the fells. Mostly roads/trails around Sheffield and the Peak up till now, but hope to start racing asap.
Mark

Good man! Welcome aboard and here's to your progress!

Mini fell running yyfy.

Went for a hillwalk/fell run hybrid last week around the Tyndrum 4. 30km & 1600m. Ran a lot of the flats and downhills...destroyed my hip flexors the my IT bands flared up (unsurprisingly) Final descent was....disgusting!

So, went for another, shorter one today - Driesh and Mayar, only 850m ascent and 14.5km. Got round in 2hr 44 mins. Ran the first 3km, then power trudged to the top of Mayar, then ran 80% of the descents/flats, having a few stops to stretch the hamstrings, quads, hip flexors & IT bands when things started to tighten up.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/aL98VHBe04Swg3uj-_rB4AbQyhcMlKI367LVUgQvY0ShYl3nuBM9ZdsB6RF1LNx8tgGw9IhB0wSZZ-bQLKwxM2tUtmizvJCEtBPJe8OnDjeiubqlKwtgo9XNXGHBSqEcDTJ_JePVwVgSuCrJ3SdSCqYNb9oKBZNXspwdWauvZt3g-GRaZlqKy0Q30fAtjbvwvMfg0eIRFU-X7e_GaZ6G3QTyewYFSXSd66V0aq1CtaLieMWnQ69gBAcGB90O_iiQpEoTUTgsd1XJGsqt5KoXAmIgduxNZXu1pPF94i0sp5eax1bsP7n_Z5KGkp2DqiOPdZSZWELHzjptykpSk30HRxKI-3W8Gr0MpinqYaql7XH64uYVONOM2TXshPGnFF_VuGSxw0zBPXqCnab3IB7u7a6jC-tELIHLkBZUa1Yd2SJfGX6FkkqWDCc_vC6P8MnGrrLgar25U3_cZeB68gZ-Nfx7Jz9HsMObZyHR51jJwvZkU7VsJdeKbE1N2udPznWS6DygOL_vgRnbe9aLbXu_-P-d8hdfupOOHZa-MoS2s5RqxATF1geDeU12sjTgF1MG2cnlbTLz6fyXvudqufvDPLwxspC8zvONOya2kOG7kLIeHkIf=w400-h220-no)

Next up will be some shorter, less steep runs where I can hopefully run the full thing! Quite fun this fell running thing when you can actually do it...

Getting stuck in there Fultonius, nice work. Banged on about it before but get yourself doing some serious glute medius, core and plyometric work and your ITB pains will start to lessen. Those and building up your distances gradually (note: I'm most certainly not a physio but those things have helped me).

Looking forward to some Autumn days out in the hills. Awesome weather of late eh!?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on October 24, 2016, 02:44:14 pm
Plus 2 new munros? In spite of climbing in both corrie fee and winter corrie, I've never tagged the summits.

Yep, up to 31 now, thought I was on 33, but realised I had 2 on my list that I've not actually done  :shrug:

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Getting stuck in there Fultonius, nice work. Banged on about it before but get yourself doing some serious glute medius, core and plyometric work and your ITB pains will start to lessen. Those and building up your distances gradually (note: I'm most certainly not a physio but those things have helped me).

So the total opposite of my approach  :lol:   I know I'm doing it all arse about tit, but I want to a heap of Munros and build up my running. I should probably just walk the hills and do some shorter, less hilly runs....but it's always so tempting to jog down and on the flat!  I suppose I could wear boots to prevent myself getting carried away.

Might go and do 3 tomorrow while the weather holds. This October has been the inverse of normal - instead of 24 days rain, we've had 24 days dry! (well, ~ dry but who's splitting hairs.)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Mr_Cus on October 26, 2016, 07:43:15 pm
Just joined the strava group (didn't realise there was one until reading that the two wheelers have one). 

Signed up for the 'wildest peaks trail race' in November.  Anyone else doing it?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on October 26, 2016, 09:21:07 pm
Anyone know how to log a mixed run/ride on strava?  Would you have to just split the GPX into two sections and log them separately? Because, currently, I can run 51km/h and do 1.56/KM pace ahem...  :-\

Figured it out:  just cropped it to the run portion, then re-uploaded the GPX and cropped that one to just the cycle portion.  :bounce

.............................

Not so fast there!  Can;t re-upload as it's a duplicate of the first one :-(  Any thoughts?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 27, 2016, 10:32:42 am
Is there the "brick" option? (what treathletes call a cycle followed by a run) how a re you recording sessions - phone or watch? If phone, probably best to stop and start as separate activity next time.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on October 27, 2016, 11:34:12 am
I'm using memory map on my phone. Just got the full UK OS 1:50,000 maps for £50!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 27, 2016, 11:40:55 am
Outdoor Great Britain gives you a an annual subscription to all OS maps online for about £6 a year.

Worth looking at a GPs watch (some cheaper options out there as well as the top of the range ones) as running it on phone eats into battery, especially if you start using to log ski touring days out etc.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on October 27, 2016, 02:29:16 pm
Are those maps downloadable? Too late now anyway...paid my £50! I quite like that you can print paper OS maps too, as a backup.

My 7.5 hour Tyndrum round only ate ~35% battery, which is manageable.

If I was getting a watch I'd want one with a barometric altimeter but they're a big lump of fuckalls!!

 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2016, 10:55:43 am
Nothing when you consider the geek value (I got a free £250 voucher from Evans Cycles to get mine).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on October 28, 2016, 11:07:35 am
If I was getting a watch I'd want one with a barometric altimeter but they're a big lump of fuckalls!!

Worth every penny.

Just think of all the extra metrics you could analyse. From my watch I get cadence*, stride length, vertical ratio, vertical oscillation, ground contact time and ground contact time balance. How do you survive without this? I can also get a temperature reading that is neither the air temperature nor my body temperature but a weird conflagration of the two. You’re missing out……

*I do actually find this useful for road/flat running when I’m fit enough to maintain a sub 7min/mile pace.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2016, 11:51:35 am
And if you get one with a heartrate monitor.....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on October 28, 2016, 12:07:23 pm
And if you get one with a heartrate monitor.....

Come on Chris, where do you think the data comes from! Vertical Oscillation is a torso movement measurement from the HR strap.

(I actually find the HR data useful, it gives a good indication as to how hard I am actually pushing myself compared to how hard i think I'm pushing myself)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2016, 12:33:11 pm
I clearly know bugger all about what my watch can actually do (Fenix 3).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on October 28, 2016, 12:55:11 pm
And if you get one with a heartrate monitor.....

Come on Chris, where do you think the data comes from! Vertical Oscillation is a torso movement measurement from the HR strap.

(I actually find the HR data useful, it gives a good indication as to how hard I am actually pushing myself compared to how hard i think I'm pushing myself)

Careful though...the only time I used a HR monitor was in the gym offshore in Malaysia. Most mornings I'd have a coffee before gym before work.

One day I didn't bother and I couldn't work out why my HR was so much lower (20bpm?) for what felt like the same effort.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on October 28, 2016, 06:30:11 pm
I clearly know bugger all about what my watch can actually do (Fenix 3).

Snap. Fenix 3 as well.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on October 28, 2016, 08:28:11 pm
I do like a good stat', but the only real use I get from using a HRM is to slow me down on my easy recovery runs. All other data is just a game on how high I can get it (currently maxed out at just over 200!).

That said, having used it for a while it is good for indicating improvements on overall fitness, comparing similar runs at a similar pace (or quicker/slower) and seeing your heart rate reduce / increase etc...

Anyone else on here getting stuck into XC season yet? Got my second race in the North Staffordshire league tomorrow. Great for improving general base level speed, and for getting dicked by the proper speed merchants.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: webbo on November 13, 2016, 08:29:43 pm
Anybody watched the Barkley Marathon on Netflicks. Puts trail running on another level.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on November 14, 2016, 07:56:48 am
Not seen it Webbo but put it on my list for viewing soon.

Was going to go and do Lathkil fell race yesterday but bottled it, fitness is still way off form and didn't fancy going flat out for over an hour. So did the steady club run from the village up to Bradwell edge and back, two hours of easy pace was exactly what I needed I think, need time on my feet to build up to Trigger in January. Not even wanting to think about HPM yet.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on November 14, 2016, 08:11:08 am
Yeah I watched it a few weeks ago. I thought it was really well done, in particular the interviews with Lazarus.

I was supposed to do Roaches yesterday but hadn't run for over 2 weeks. Got out on Saturday and felt exceedingly sluggish. No way would I have managed the distance, shocking how quickly you lose it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on November 14, 2016, 10:19:00 am
Nearly time for everybody's annual roundup of the year. Be good to hear how you all got on and about your designs on next year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on November 14, 2016, 12:09:48 pm
shocking how quickly you lose it.

Don't say that. Been ill for 2 weeks now, not run a step and still not shaken the cold.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on November 14, 2016, 12:19:50 pm
2017. Possibly coming down to Englandshire with my partner when she does Manchester Marathon (I don't run that far!).

I will be on the course for moral support and try get some photos on the Sunday, but I think we might head down Saturday lunchtime and contemplating doing a race in the afternoon.

Two local options seem to be;

Pendle

http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=5267

West Nab

http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=5263

How hard would it be to get to these with public transport? I guess Pendle is easier to get to, are either worth doing?

Thanks

Chris

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on November 14, 2016, 04:35:13 pm
Not done Pendle but covered some of the same ground. Worth doing because it passes through 'Buttock'? http://www.claytonlemoors.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Senior-Race-Route-2015.jpg
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on November 14, 2016, 06:44:05 pm
I appear to have been cursed with the weakest hip flexors in history!  Went out for a round of the four East Glenshee Munros - 20km & 1000m vert.

The first 4km to the top of Carn an Tuirc went well, taking just over 52 minutes to get up 552m. Ran the first 2km, then power trudged the next 2. But I was noticing my hip flexors a bit already. I thought they'd ease up on the gentle descent towards Cairn of Claise but they just kept getting worse all day until I was reduced to walking.

I wasn't even particularly puffing and my legs weren't burning up the first ascent...did I just go at it too hard? Or do I maybe have some kind of poor running technique?

Still, under 4 hours for the round so not too shabby. Lags feel fine, except for the hip flexors!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on November 14, 2016, 08:30:39 pm
How hard would it be to get to these with public transport? I guess Pendle is easier to get to, are either worth doing?

Chris, I've done Pendle a couple of times and enjoy it. Give me a shout nearer the time and if I'm on for a third year I could collect from somewhere. Barley, the village it starts from, is fairly remote so I suspect local services could be few and far between.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on November 15, 2016, 07:03:17 am
Loosely fell running related - I've entered the Sheffield open XC on the 17th December but can't make it anymore. RO says I can transfer the entry so if anyone wants a free place let me know.

Chris
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on November 15, 2016, 08:57:06 am
How hard would it be to get to these with public transport? I guess Pendle is easier to get to, are either worth doing?

Chris, I've done Pendle a couple of times and enjoy it. Give me a shout nearer the time and if I'm on for a third year I could collect from somewhere. Barley, the village it starts from, is fairly remote so I suspect local services could be few and far between.

Cheers for the offer. Still undecided as to what I'm exactly doing, but I will bear it in mind.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on November 15, 2016, 09:28:52 am
2017. Possibly coming down to Englandshire with my partner when she does Manchester Marathon (I don't run that far!).

I will be on the course for moral support and try get some photos on the Sunday, but I think we might head down Saturday lunchtime and contemplating doing a race in the afternoon.

Two local options seem to be;

Pendle

http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=5267

West Nab

http://www.fellrunner.org.uk/races.php?id=5263

How hard would it be to get to these with public transport? I guess Pendle is easier to get to, are either worth doing?

Thanks

Chris

No idea if I'll be running either (too far in the future) but drop me a PM nearer the time as I could give you a lift if required.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on November 15, 2016, 09:45:49 am
Cheers Galp. The grit may call louder though!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on November 15, 2016, 09:49:16 am
Nearly time for everybody's annual roundup of the year. Be good to hear how you all got on and about your designs on next year.

When the time comes, maybe a separate thread?

Best of Fell Running 2016:

- Short/local race
- Medium/Long race
- Mountain Marathon/Skyrace/XC/Relay/Big Day Out int hills
- Abroad
- Biggest bonk
- After-race cake/beer/prize
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on November 15, 2016, 09:56:00 am
Watched a nice documentary about the Barkley Marathons last night. It's an almost unfinishable multi-loop challenge in Tennessee of around 100+ miles and 60,000', or 60 miles for the fun run. Carefully avoids being either too dudey or too portentous. SHAFF award winner, it's on Netflix and iTunes at the moment.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on November 15, 2016, 10:14:11 am
Cheers Galp. The grit may call louder though!

There'd be a lift available for that too probably!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on November 21, 2016, 12:27:40 pm
Tour of Pendle looked brutal! Did anybody join in the antics this year?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Mr_Cus on November 23, 2016, 09:56:42 pm
Pretty pleased to get a place for grindleford gallop (thanks to the wife who entered it for me as I was still at work), anyone done this before?

Cant run or climb at the moment though, my SI joint is causing me loads of problems :(
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on November 24, 2016, 09:11:19 am
I've recce'd the whole course but never raced it (ended up getting ill the week I was due to race). Its a nice course, lots of mixed terrain and all very runable (i.e. nothing too steep). The section from Baslow up to Baslow and Curbar edge at the end though is a bit of a slog.

Well done for getting a place though, sold out again in about an hour
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Oldmanmatt on November 24, 2016, 05:43:48 pm
Ok.
Not exactly Fell running, but I figure if anyone can help, it's going to be one of you nutters.
I'm training for a little reunion and fun "get together" in South Wales next July.
For this party, I'm expected to carry ~22kg (+food and water) for 24km, climb 685mtrs, in 4 hours. Boots are a requirement.

This is where I'm at:

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161124/1bda5e47889398897cbef7055ceac1ab.png)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161124/f1282d47a3286c54d95808f5bb169229.png)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161124/97d553691f67b2fbce9f61e0933f1299.png)

Today, I had to knock it on the head and withdraw, like a very feeble old man (more than normal) because I'm locking up with cramp.
So, what does everyone do to avoid/deal with cramps? Anyone got a magic bullet?


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: webbo on November 24, 2016, 07:42:20 pm
The. Causes of cramp is not that well understood and often people go on about dehydration and electrolyte imbalance. However there is one school of thought which says you get cramp because you are asking muscles to do more than they are trained to do or pushing them to do it for longer.
So if you haven't been training to that level maybe that's your answer.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on November 25, 2016, 10:42:01 am
Agree often prescribed to electrolyte/dehydration/nutrition issues.

I really like the SiS hydration tabs  http://www.scienceinsport.com/uk/shop-sis/go-range/go-hydro-tablets?gclid=CP77zJrcw9ACFZEy0wodADMCrg or the stuff from tailwind http://www.tailwindnutrition.co.uk/category-16.html

Try and see what works.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on November 25, 2016, 10:57:15 am
Agree often prescribed to electrolyte/dehydration/nutrition issues.

I really like the SiS hydration tabs  http://www.scienceinsport.com/uk/shop-sis/go-range/go-hydro-tablets?gclid=CP77zJrcw9ACFZEy0wodADMCrg or the stuff from tailwind http://www.tailwindnutrition.co.uk/category-16.html

Try and see what works.

Nuun are my brand of choice for hydration tabs. My wife swears by tonic for cramps (she likes tonic) but I believe the science on the amount of tonic water required to get the necessary dose of quinine is similar to that for Malaria.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: tomtom on November 25, 2016, 11:32:48 am
Agree often prescribed to electrolyte/dehydration/nutrition issues.

I really like the SiS hydration tabs  http://www.scienceinsport.com/uk/shop-sis/go-range/go-hydro-tablets?gclid=CP77zJrcw9ACFZEy0wodADMCrg or the stuff from tailwind http://www.tailwindnutrition.co.uk/category-16.html

Try and see what works.

I dont go running.. but I have a couple of boxes of these as one of our neighbours (recently retired sportsperson) gave me a load they'd been given.

They do nothing for me TBH. When I've been working outside in Australia and chugging 8+ l of water a day, I tried loads of gatorade/whatever powders in the water, and tbh I preferred water then having a load of salty crisps/peanuts and a can of lemonade at the end of the day. That seemed to make me feel better. The triathlete I sat next to on a flight back from the states said they were good for preventing hangovers (taken the night before) though..
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Oldmanmatt on November 25, 2016, 01:39:01 pm
Yep, I've now been reading about the ambiguity of causes, the very real prospect that it's not electrolyte based and so probably no magic bullet in the offing.
I've built up to this point over several months, increasing distance and weight week by week. Never had a problem during the summer, despite profuse sweating.
I reached the 18 km point three weeks ago (3 laps of my circuit) and that's when the cramps went from irritating to crippling.
I got further than before, yesterday, but only 2 km more before I had to hobble the 2 km back to the car (walking across Dartmoor with perfectly straight, unbending, legs is most inconvenient).
It is probably just a matter of perseverance, but you always hope for some tidbit of inside knowledge that might short circuit the process.

I shall, however, be trying to up the electrolytes anyway and tweak when and what I eat/drink during the walk.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on November 25, 2016, 04:55:07 pm
I'm far, far from the best person to be answering this but, why are you running the actual target distance?  I thought most distance running plans aimed to have you doing mainly half distance ish stuff with only the odd longer run close to target distance at a steady pace. You're basically trying to do "race pace" at "race distance", are you not?

[i'm really only writing this to prompt someone knowledgeable to reply, as my training running plan of "go out and smash in 4 munros at a time is clearly titting bonkers]

P.S. when you say "withdraw" do you mean from that day's effort, or from the whole thing? Surely you've got a lot of time left to improve before July?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: webbo on November 25, 2016, 06:01:00 pm
I would agree with this. Shorter faster than race pace and longer slower stuff.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on December 01, 2016, 10:30:35 am
Just a reminder that entries opened for Jura this morning at 9am. I've registered and I'd suggest moving very swiftly if you'd like to get involved. No fee is payable at this point since it's only pre-selection.

http://www.artxraykishorn.co.uk/juraaspnet/entry_form.aspx
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: webbo on December 02, 2016, 09:30:52 pm
Watched a nice documentary about the Barkley Marathons last night. It's an almost unfinishable multi-loop challenge in Tennessee of around 100+ miles and 60,000', or 60 miles for the fun run. Carefully avoids being either too dudey or too portentous. SHAFF award winner, it's on Netflix and iTunes at the moment.
See previous page.
Title: Fell running
Post by: Oldmanmatt on December 03, 2016, 11:15:45 am
I'm far, far from the best person to be answering this but, why are you running the actual target distance?  I thought most distance running plans aimed to have you doing mainly half distance ish stuff with only the odd longer run close to target distance at a steady pace. You're basically trying to do "race pace" at "race distance", are you not?

[i'm really only writing this to prompt someone knowledgeable to reply, as my training running plan of "go out and smash in 4 munros at a time is clearly titting bonkers]

P.S. when you say "withdraw" do you mean from that day's effort, or from the whole thing? Surely you've got a lot of time left to improve before July?

Withdraw from the day.

I'm not sensible enough to not be there in the first place.

I'd intended it as a trial run, with another around April.
It's my old routine of build up, go at it, rest a bit, start again.
My plan is to start higher on each training phase, so where I started the first phase with 6km and 10kg; I will start the next phase (next week after a 2 week furlough) at 12km and 15kg. Then build it to (hopefully) go to excess (say26km, 25kg) and try for the pace (6km/hr).

This is, essentially, the same course as the SAS/SBS selection do at the end of of their first week. They get a 4hr cut off (on the summer exercise).
Back in the day (and it was a source of pride), there were four groups (only, as far as I know) who did the Exercise High Walk, officially. As I said, the SBS/SAS on selection, there was "P" Company (new entrant Paras) and Royal Navy Artificers to qualify for their Hooks (Leading Artificer). We had to do several exercises over a 10/14 day period, including crawling through caves (the Churns? Name escapes me) and a squeeze called the (cheese press?), E&E etc and culminating in the Pen-Y-Fan run. All based out of Tal-y-bont, P company used Cwmgwidi.
The main difference being the time allowed for the run and we didn't carry a weapon. The SF fellas got the four hours, Baby Paras ((I think) got 6 and we got a leisurely 7, but had to do "evolutions" en route  (like map reading/identifying distant peaks etc or tying a knot) at the way points. We also only had to carry 30lb to the SF 45lb.

Anyway, some other ex's and I (from various regiments and branches) have put together a team to do the civi version, run by ex SF directing staff, next July.
Because we are all frightened old men, facing our twilight years and impending death, there is an inter team bet running  to see who can beat the SF times (which I didn't mention originally, 'cos it's just us being silly). The loads are as per SF, but that's set by the organisers not us. The actual cut off on the day is 8 hrs, but going by my progress that would be a doddle.

Anyway, boots are a requirement, which is part of my cramping problem. I need lighter boots than the Scarpa Cumbre's I used (I'm too cheap to have anything between mountain boots and approach shoes, but I will have to concede).
Any recommendations for good light/mid boots, greatly recieved.

One other thing...
And the reason for full, long winded, explanation.

To the person that accused me of being a Walt. (First off a Walt never served, the correct term is Bloat.), the above is verifiable. The Artificer no longer exists and P company (as I understand) stopped doing the Fan Dance 25 years ago (because it kills people).
Yes, we really did break into Cwmgwidi, too.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on December 05, 2016, 11:20:39 am
I'm far, far from the best person to be answering this but, why are you running the actual target distance?  I thought most distance running plans aimed to have you doing mainly half distance ish stuff with only the odd longer run close to target distance at a steady pace. You're basically trying to do "race pace" at "race distance", are you not?

[i'm really only writing this to prompt someone knowledgeable to reply, as my training running plan of "go out and smash in 4 munros at a time is clearly titting bonkers]

P.S. when you say "withdraw" do you mean from that day's effort, or from the whole thing? Surely you've got a lot of time left to improve before July?

Withdraw from the day.

I'm not sensible enough to not be there in the first place.

I'd intended it as a trial run, with another around April.
It's my old routine of build up, go at it, rest a bit, start again.
My plan is to start higher on each training phase, so where I started the first phase with 6km and 10kg; I will start the next phase (next week after a 2 week furlough) at 12km and 15kg. Then build it to (hopefully) go to excess (say26km, 25kg) and try for the pace (6km/hr).

This is, essentially, the same course as the SAS/SBS selection do at the end of of their first week. They get a 4hr cut off (on the summer exercise).
Back in the day (and it was a source of pride), there were four groups (only, as far as I know) who did the Exercise High Walk, officially. As I said, the SBS/SAS on selection, there was "P" Company (new entrant Paras) and Royal Navy Artificers to qualify for their Hooks (Leading Artificer). We had to do several exercises over a 10/14 day period, including crawling through caves (the Churns? Name escapes me) and a squeeze called the (cheese press?), E&E etc and culminating in the Pen-Y-Fan run. All based out of Tal-y-bont, P company used Cwmgwidi.
The main difference being the time allowed for the run and we didn't carry a weapon. The SF fellas got the four hours, Baby Paras ((I think) got 6 and we got a leisurely 7, but had to do "evolutions" en route  (like map reading/identifying distant peaks etc or tying a knot) at the way points. We also only had to carry 30lb to the SF 45lb.

Anyway, some other ex's and I (from various regiments and branches) have put together a team to do the civi version, run by ex SF directing staff, next July.
Because we are all frightened old men, facing our twilight years and impending death, there is an inter team bet running  to see who can beat the SF times (which I didn't mention originally, 'cos it's just us being silly). The loads are as per SF, but that's set by the organisers not us. The actual cut off on the day is 8 hrs, but going by my progress that would be a doddle.

Anyway, boots are a requirement, which is part of my cramping problem. I need lighter boots than the Scarpa Cumbre's I used (I'm too cheap to have anything between mountain boots and approach shoes, but I will have to concede).
Any recommendations for good light/mid boots, greatly recieved.

One other thing...
And the reason for full, long winded, explanation.

To the person that accused me of being a Walt. (First off a Walt never served, the correct term is Bloat.), the above is verifiable. The Artificer no longer exists and P company (as I understand) stopped doing the Fan Dance 25 years ago (because it kills people).
Yes, we really did break into Cwmgwidi, too.


All posts either sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek or mildly mocking-in-a-friendly-way unless otherwise stated. I always forget to put those smiley things...

I didn't understand a lot of this sorry OMM but I'm sure that you'll be grand. Can you do a few medium fell races beforehand with plenty of climbing in?

There's really no substitute for the gains that can be had from racing.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Oldmanmatt on December 05, 2016, 11:46:21 am
I know.  Had some issues with someone who read things on here and added 2+2 and got 13, then decided to talk crap to someone else, who came to me. No idea who it was, poster or lurker. I wasn't sure how to handle that, so opted for a more detailed explanation. Which of course makes no sense to most people.

So, thank you for the advice, I now have a fair bit of reading to do and will be tweaking my approach.




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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on December 05, 2016, 12:10:49 pm
Anybody watched the Barkley Marathon on Netflicks. Puts trail running on another level.
Watched a nice documentary about the Barkley Marathons last night. It's an almost unfinishable multi-loop challenge in Tennessee of around 100+ miles and 60,000', or 60 miles for the fun run. Carefully avoids being either too dudey or too portentous. SHAFF award winner, it's on Netflix and iTunes at the moment.
See previous page.
Watched this last night - absolutely brilliant, I'd recommend to anyone. I've been having a think about doing a few ultras over the next few years with the Bob Graham as the long term goal, but this was something else.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 05, 2016, 12:35:08 pm
Am thinking about plans/objectives for 2017 and beyond and wondering if folk who've participated in some of the Skyrunning style races can give me an idea of the route through to gaining enough experience/entry requirements for those?

The V3K Ultra looks as though it has the most lenient entry requirements that I've seen (2 races of at least 30Km with 50m of ascent in every Km) to then be able to enter e.g. Glen Coe Skyline/Lakes Ultra. I could gain entry for the V3K if I managed to complete some of the longer Lakes classic fell races next year. Any other races I'm missing? Basically what I'm looking for next year is races of around 30Km with 2000 - 3000m of ascent. I like the idea of doing a race with more technical ground, but in the UK this seems to only be incorporated into the longer Sky races? Maybe something like the Peris Horseshoe is as close as you can get to that style of race? Weird how it seems to have so few people enter it.




Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: dave on December 05, 2016, 01:36:19 pm
Tom you should be gunning for the Cuillin traverse record.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on December 05, 2016, 01:59:14 pm
I know.  Had some issues with someone who read things on here and added 2+2 and got 13, then decided to talk crap to someone else, who came to me. No idea who it was, poster or lurker. I wasn't sure how to handle that, so opted for a more detailed explanation. Which of course makes no sense to most people.

So, thank you for the advice, I now have a fair bit of reading to do and will be tweaking my approach.




All posts either sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek or mildly mocking-in-a-friendly-way unless otherwise stated. I always forget to put those smiley things...

Got you. Good luck with the training and keep us posted how the challenge preparation goes eh. It'll be immensely rewarding to tick off your challenge.


Am thinking about plans/objectives for 2017 and beyond and wondering if folk who've participated in some of the Skyrunning style races can give me an idea of the route through to gaining enough experience/entry requirements for those?

The V3K Ultra looks as though it has the most lenient entry requirements that I've seen (2 races of at least 30Km with 50m of ascent in every Km) to then be able to enter e.g. Glen Coe Skyline/Lakes Ultra. I could gain entry for the V3K if I managed to complete some of the longer Lakes classic fell races next year. Any other races I'm missing? Basically what I'm looking for next year is races of around 30Km with 2000 - 3000m of ascent. I like the idea of doing a race with more technical ground, but in the UK this seems to only be incorporated into the longer Sky races? Maybe something like the Peris Horseshoe is as close as you can get to that style of race? Weird how it seems to have so few people enter it.

I'm putting all of my efforts into Jura (if I get a place), Wasdale and Ennerdale next year Tom. If you fancy teaming up for a few of these longer races/recces, let me know. Just moved in to new office accommodation so can engage in some stairwell training sessions now we have a shower on site.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 05, 2016, 03:25:43 pm
Cheers Tom, will keep it in mind. I'm planning to focus mainly on climbing in the first half of the year, so most races I'm looking at are from late July onwards. In terms of longer races currently thinking of Holme Moss re-match, Borrowdale and maybe Peris Horseshoe or even Ring of Steall. But that could all change with a finger injury/dicky knees/wife's business taking off! :devangel:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on December 05, 2016, 03:40:54 pm
stairwell training sessions

Your safety elf might not like that?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on December 05, 2016, 04:28:43 pm
The safety elf couldn't catch me.  :weakbench:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on December 05, 2016, 04:36:54 pm
Am thinking about plans/objectives for 2017 and beyond and wondering if folk who've participated in some of the Skyrunning style races can give me an idea of the route through to gaining enough experience/entry requirements for those?

The V3K Ultra looks as though it has the most lenient entry requirements that I've seen (2 races of at least 30Km with 50m of ascent in every Km) to then be able to enter e.g. Glen Coe Skyline/Lakes Ultra. I could gain entry for the V3K if I managed to complete some of the longer Lakes classic fell races next year. Any other races I'm missing? Basically what I'm looking for next year is races of around 30Km with 2000 - 3000m of ascent. I like the idea of doing a race with more technical ground, but in the UK this seems to only be incorporated into the longer Sky races? Maybe something like the Peris Horseshoe is as close as you can get to that style of race? Weird how it seems to have so few people enter it.

I'm fairly punter level and recommend the V3K. It's a cracking route that rewards persistence. The techy stuff is early on whilst you're fresh. I'd take a guess at the experience question being mostly to frighten off the Tough Mudder gang. A friend entered recently without much to put on his race palmares - general mountaineering and a few Medium races ...his name seems to be on the list. It's something I'd wanted to do for a bit and to have the logistics sorted and a couple of food stops makes it useful against the DIY option. There's a strong chance you'll fall into step with someone similar pace to pass the time more pleasantly, if that suits.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on December 05, 2016, 04:51:25 pm
Cheers Tom, will keep it in mind. I'm planning to focus mainly on climbing in the first half of the year, so most races I'm looking at are from late July onwards. In terms of longer races currently thinking of Holme Moss re-match, Borrowdale and maybe Peris Horseshoe or even Ring of Steall. But that could all change with a finger injury/dicky knees/wife's business taking off! :devangel:

I hear you on the grand ambition disruption potential Tom! Looking forward to 2017 already.  :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on December 05, 2016, 05:20:33 pm
T_B it's the experience on rock that they're most concerned about with the UK skyraces. Your UKC logbook (or probably even your name) would be more than sufficient, along with some longer fell or trail races. You'd quite possibly get away with Strava evidence of long training runs if you haven't done the requisite races too. Well worth emailing the organisers and explaining your specific situation to see what they think.

Mourne Skyline would be a good race to look at too. No technical rock sections on it but it's awesome and a great excuse to go somewhere you might not otherwise go.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on December 05, 2016, 05:42:51 pm

The V3K Ultra looks as though it has the most lenient entry requirements that I've seen

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Runners must remain vegan all day

Doesn't sound lenient to me. Need en route pasties.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on December 06, 2016, 10:15:29 pm
Any other races I'm missing? Basically what I'm looking for next year is races of around 30Km with 2000 - 3000m of ascent. I like the idea of doing a race with more technical ground, but in the UK this seems to only be incorporated into the longer Sky races?

What about the Mountain Trial (September)? I ran the medium this year; it was a cracking day out and really tough - lots of up and down and hardly ever on paths or tracks. Not sure it has technical ground in the same way that the Skyraces do but as a big day out in the hills it should easily meet your requirements.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 06, 2016, 10:28:02 pm
That's a good suggestion - thanks!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 06, 2016, 10:30:22 pm
T_B it's the experience on rock that they're most concerned about with the UK skyraces. Your UKC logbook (or probably even your name) would be more than sufficient, along with some longer fell or trail races. You'd quite possibly get away with Strava evidence of long training runs if you haven't done the requisite races too. Well worth emailing the organisers and explaining your specific situation to see what they think.

Mourne Skyline would be a good race to look at too. No technical rock sections on it but it's awesome and a great excuse to go somewhere you might not otherwise go.

Thanks for the reply Chris, food for thought. The Mourne race looks fab and as you suggest, the idea of going somewhere different that you don't know definitely appeals.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on December 07, 2016, 05:32:11 pm

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Runners must remain vegan all day

No jelly babies? No way!

Sorry for lack of posting on here - I've been a bit rubbish of late. I'm struggling with bad knee pain at the moment, seemingly related to a stupid fall I took on my recent climbing trip. Not an actual climbing fall - I fell down a couple of steps into the kitchen on the last day of trip like a total muppet! Since then, every time I've run I've really suffered within a mile or so and for the next few days. Saw the physio last night and he doesn't reckon running will make it worse so I've at least got the all clear to keep going, albeit fairly painfully.

I did manage to get out for the last Rab mini mountain marathon out on Tintwistle Moor but didn't do very well, I'd love to blame the knee but my appalling strategy and route finding were probably more to blame. Might do Mytholmroyd at the weekend if my knee feels up to it.

Looking ahead to next year, I've got a few aims in mind. I'd like to do some of the longer Lakes races - Black Coombe, Kentmere and Langdale would be good and the medium Mountain Trial is on the list. If fitness permits I've toyed with the idea of a baby ultra, maybe something like the Peak Skyline, but I feel quite a way off that at the moment! But really I just want to keep getting out and avoid injury.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 08, 2016, 09:37:57 am
OK OK I know this isn't fell running, but it's trail running.. though, er, this bit is on the road.

Anyway. If you run/race/have run long distances, this might just be a little bit of inspiration....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60wsxmurDMU&sns=tw
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on December 13, 2016, 02:24:08 pm
Some good Inov-8 shoe bargains on Wiggle at the minute - Mudclaws and X-Talons for £50ish, all Autumn/Winter 2016 models.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on December 13, 2016, 02:51:41 pm
Easier to find

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/sale/mens/run/offroad-running-shoes/?ea=4294789659&ris=1
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on December 13, 2016, 03:43:35 pm
Spied this last night too. Got a pair of Mudclaws for 45, bargain!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on December 13, 2016, 03:49:11 pm
I've never used Innov8s they suit any shape of foot.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 13, 2016, 04:14:47 pm
I've tried a few models and none of them fit me. The X-talons were too narrow. I've also been told that the sizing is inconsistent across different models? They must fit most people though given that 50%+ of runners in fell races are wearing them!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on December 13, 2016, 04:17:40 pm
I've tried a few models and none of them fit me. The X-talons were too narrow. I've also been told that the sizing is inconsistent across different models? They must fit most people though given that 50%+ of runners in fell races are wearing them!

They have a precision fit and standard fit, some models are available in both options, others in just one. I use Talons and Mudclaws in precision.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 13, 2016, 04:18:53 pm
Yeah it was the precision fit that I tried. I'd always thought I had a narrow foot but evidently not.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on December 13, 2016, 04:23:59 pm
We're a right fussy lot us fell running climbers ;)

Probably would take the toe down fit if it existed!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on December 13, 2016, 04:31:01 pm
I've tried a few models and none of them fit me. The X-talons were too narrow. I've also been told that the sizing is inconsistent across different models? They must fit most people though given that 50%+ of runners in fell races are wearing them!

They have a precision fit and standard fit, some models are available in both options, others in just one. I use Talons and Mudclaws in precision.
I'm the same as galpinos, X-Talons and Mudclaws in precision, although I thought I had wide feet! X-Talons and Mudclaws seem pretty consistently sized, but Roclites were quite different (and also narrower than precision fit). I think the orange/blue version of the X-Talon 200 is the standard fit one - not tried them myself but that's what my other half races in.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on December 13, 2016, 04:33:09 pm
It's a bit like rockboots.

Inov-8 seem to go through multiple models so I stick with what I know and hope they don't change. There are now multiple X-Talons but I stick to the 212 (original) and the Mudclaw 300 (not original but reasonably unchanged on the fit).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 13, 2016, 04:35:52 pm
Yeah I ended up tracking down a 2nd pair of Sportiva Anakondas (discontinued) as they're the only shoe I've tried so far that fit me perfectly.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on December 13, 2016, 04:40:12 pm
Just got a pair of Mudclaws from Wiggle, thanks for the heads up, bargain at £45.

Recently bought a pair of X-Claw 275's as well, and whilst they are in the standard and not precision fit, they feel ideal for longer distance runs and training based on runs I've done in them so far.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: duncan on December 13, 2016, 04:53:15 pm
I've got a medium wide forefoot and narrow heel - Anasazi, not Sportiva - and the Inov-8 X-Talon 225 fit pretty well. I go up a full size over street shoe in them. I don't run in them obviously but they make a good carry-up long route shoe when there is soft ground on the approach or descent. 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on December 14, 2016, 10:34:20 am
Minefield.

Thanks all.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on December 14, 2016, 10:56:01 am
Just to be different, all Inov-8 fell shoes are all to narrow for me, they used to do wide fit Roclites (comfort?) which was great. They do vary quite a bit as bizarrely the Road Extreme fits me really well.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on December 14, 2016, 06:38:08 pm

I'm the same as galpinos, X-Talons and Mudclaws in precision, although I thought I had wide feet! X-Talons and Mudclaws seem pretty consistently sized, but Roclites were quite different (and also narrower than precision fit). I think the orange/blue version of the X-Talon 200 is the standard fit one - not tried them myself but that's what my other half races in.

I've found the opposite. I have a pair of Roclites and find them a good wide fit. I then bought a pair of precision fit Mudclaws for running through clag and they really rub on the inside of my foot. I've been persisting with them in the hope they might break in but anything over 5-6 miles in them tends to leave me peeling great swathes of skin off my feet afterwards.

For comfort I've found my Salomon Speedcross 3s to be the best fit but they're pretty useless when things get really muddy. I wore them for Mytholmroyd at the weekend and felt like I was skating round the course!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on December 20, 2016, 03:49:29 pm
Some good Inov-8 shoe bargains on Wiggle at the minute - Mudclaws and X-Talons for £50ish, all Autumn/Winter 2016 models.
Smashing. New pair of 212s on the way just when the old pair are falling apart and relegated from 'best' to 'probably good enough for a few more runs'. Thanks!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 22, 2016, 06:54:26 pm
On the cheap shoe theme, Salomon Sense 5 ultra SG down to £90 on Wiggle.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on December 29, 2016, 04:51:44 pm
Fell running 2016 'best of' and 2017 aims in this thread or a new one folks?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on December 29, 2016, 05:20:21 pm
Just stick it on the standard aims/best of threads I reckon in hindsight. Gives those of us who haven't excelled at either more to pad out with  :P
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 06, 2017, 11:20:12 am
So, designs on 2017. Have many of you been busy populating the wall planner?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 06, 2017, 11:37:41 am
So, designs on 2017. Have many of you been busy populating the wall planner?
I started on the wall planner (it's actually a spreadsheet) in November!
- NY Moors Winter Series (done 2 so far, 3 more needed)
- Just entered Totley Series, starts off with Tigger Tor end-Jan
- English Champs races (Long Mynd, Barlick, Tebay, Great Whernside and a Long)
- More summer midweek stuff than last year
- Calderdale Relay with the club
- Maybe a road half (sorry!)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on January 06, 2017, 12:57:10 pm
Taking it fairly easy in January, still getting over achilles tendonpathy, building up to Marmot Dark Mountains, overnight mountain marathon type race at the end of Jan. Would like to get a good time in the Edale Skyline, trying to lose a bit of weight before then. Got a place in Jura, really looking forward to that. Might do Ennerdale, but its only 2 weeks after Jura. Haven't thought beyond that.

New years resolution is more long runs, at least one 15+ miller a month that is not a race.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on January 06, 2017, 01:54:11 pm
I've been a long-time lurker on this thread; it's been a great source of running psyche for me so I think it's time to come out of the woodwork  :wave:

So, designs on 2017. Have many of you been busy populating the wall planner?

Trigger in just over a week; hopefully whatever is currently making my foot grumpy will sort itself out by then. Recces so far have confirmed what I suspected all along; much of the ground between Crowden and the Kinder edge path is the stuff of nightmares so hopefully I can follow someone who knows the good lines on the day (apparently they do exist...), otherwise I'll just focus on getting to the end in one piece rather than worrying about times.

Lakes 50 at the end of July. Think this will be the main focus of most of my spring and summer running; I'm only likely to do it the once so I'd like to make it count. The distance is a bit daunting, the furthest I've gone before is 40 ish on the Keswick to Barrow but I was much younger and less breakable then.

The Mountain Trial in September. Can't wait for this; when I used to orienteer and run a lot more when I was younger this was the event I always wanted to do but I was never fit/good enough. I ran the medium last year and it was such a brilliant day out, hard but really rewarding. The full course will be a step up but hopefully fitness from the 50 will carry over.

It'd be great to do one or two of the Lakes classic longs too - Ennerdale and Langdale look like the most likely candidates at the moment but the recently established Darren Holloway Memorial Race (basically the old Buttermere horseshoe) has also caught my eye...

Some orienteering gubbins too - particularly the Northern Championships at the end of February.

New Year resolutions: 1) do more speed work! Growing up and running in the Lakes means I can pound uphill and over rough ground pretty effectively but my flat speed is abysmal. 2) keep climbing and running plates spinning simultaneously (this is becoming increasingly difficult).

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Mr_Cus on January 06, 2017, 03:12:59 pm
Been injured for what feels like an eternity now (about 8 weeks...!) so really hoping i can fixed and get my legs back soon.


Got grindleford gallop booked in for march
Hathersage hurtle in may(?) and I'd like to do the ladybower trail marathon in June.
I'll also do 9 edges again in september and probably find a couple of half marathons.
I intend do some of the local evening fell races if my hip flexors dont give up on me again this year!

Should be a good year!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 06, 2017, 04:52:12 pm
I'm doing Trigger this year too ajh, am not looking forward to it either as woefully underprepared but working on the assumption that I know the lines and I'm stubborn enough to drag myself round.

Other than that, main aim is the High Peak Marathon in March. Was cancelled last year at the 11th hour so got a score to settle.

Will no doubt do most of the Totley series too and which ever summer Peak races I fancy doing. Also, added bonus is I'm changing jobs in March so will be guaranteed on being at home every day without fail, so know for sure I can make any night of the week from then on.

Only other aim is the 5km Windermere  open water swim and then if that goes ok, Coniston end to end.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on January 06, 2017, 05:09:01 pm
Current tentative plans...

Hope Winter.
Wolf's Pit (try and run sub 1 hour).
Holme Moss (try and run sub 4 hours) or possibly Borrowdale, depending on school holiday plans.
Peris Horseshoe (assuming it's on in early September). This would be my 'big race' of the year. The Mountain Trial as a back up plan?

The above assumes I'm mainly climbing until the end of June, but I keep some consistency with the running. This is going to take careful planning and will mean running at lunch times in the industrial heartland of Sheffield - not exactly the reason I got into running!

I love the idea of doing a longer mountain ultra, but probably not in the same year as trying to break a new climbing grade ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on January 06, 2017, 07:00:53 pm
I'm doing Trigger this year too ajh, am not looking forward to it either as woefully underprepared but working on the assumption that I know the lines and I'm stubborn enough to drag myself round.

I'm doing the Trigger too, not done more than 10K in quite a while and don't know any of the lines, so should be interesting.... Planning on sticking to the back of a dark peaker and having my map and compass to hand.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 15, 2017, 08:20:13 pm
I'm doing Trigger this year too ajh, am not looking forward to it either as woefully underprepared but working on the assumption that I know the lines and I'm stubborn enough to drag myself round.

I'm doing the Trigger too, not done more than 10K in quite a while and don't know any of the lines, so should be interesting.... Planning on sticking to the back of a dark peaker and having my map and compass to hand.
How did you get on Chris? I had my first race DNF ever today at Trigger. Don't know what you made of the conditions but it's the worst I've seen it on the tops there, cold, icy bogs and sketchy river crossings. Ended up dropping out at Kinder Top as carrying on would have made me suffer more than I'm prepared to.


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on January 15, 2017, 08:43:14 pm
Bad luck, the weather looked truly awful. I didn't even make the start line - slipped walking out from Malham yesterday evening and bashed my knee and shin really badly. By the time I got home I could barely get up and down the stairs so the idea of running from Marsden to Edale seemed ambitious. Gutted to miss out on what sounded like a very challenging day but I'll be back next year.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on January 15, 2017, 09:10:18 pm
Photos from Crowden Little Brook here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mossienetphotography/sets/72157679186395355

 :o

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 16, 2017, 11:14:00 am
Photos from Crowden Little Brook here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mossienetphotography/sets/72157679186395355

 :o



Armageddon! Love those river crossing methods!

I did the Ashurst Beacon race for the first time on Saturday and whilst it felt more akin to cross country, it was well paced and a great way to get back in to race mode. Lovely views up there as well post race and some cracking beers in the pub.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on January 16, 2017, 01:31:39 pm
I'm doing Trigger this year too ajh, am not looking forward to it either as woefully underprepared but working on the assumption that I know the lines and I'm stubborn enough to drag myself round.

I'm doing the Trigger too, not done more than 10K in quite a while and don't know any of the lines, so should be interesting.... Planning on sticking to the back of a dark peaker and having my map and compass to hand.
How did you get on Chris? I had my first race DNF ever today at Trigger. Don't know what you made of the conditions but it's the worst I've seen it on the tops there, cold, icy bogs and sketchy river crossings. Ended up dropping out at Kinder Top as carrying on would have made me suffer more than I'm prepared to.

It was my first DNF too.  I was enjoying the race up until Crowden and then started cramping going up the edge after Crowden and I kept thinking of turning back but thought I could stetch it out, turns out I couldn't.  By the time I got to snake pass I was cramping in both thighs and calves and struggling to walk so thought it was best to drop out.  I think most people were saying it's the worse conditions they have seen it.  I'm glad I packed a proper jumper in my bag as I needed it to get to snake pass.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 16, 2017, 03:40:16 pm
Anybody thinking of doing the Teenager with Altitude or Anniversary Waltz this year? Places filling up fast and I'm throwing my hat in to the ring for the former this year after last year's Waltz outing. TWA looks to be a longish day out.

http://www.anniversarywaltz.co.uk
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 16, 2017, 05:31:03 pm
I'm doing Trigger this year too ajh, am not looking forward to it either as woefully underprepared but working on the assumption that I know the lines and I'm stubborn enough to drag myself round.

I'm doing the Trigger too, not done more than 10K in quite a while and don't know any of the lines, so should be interesting.... Planning on sticking to the back of a dark peaker and having my map and compass to hand.
How did you get on Chris? I had my first race DNF ever today at Trigger. Don't know what you made of the conditions but it's the worst I've seen it on the tops there, cold, icy bogs and sketchy river crossings. Ended up dropping out at Kinder Top as carrying on would have made me suffer more than I'm prepared to.

It was my first DNF too.  I was enjoying the race up until Crowden and then started cramping going up the edge after Crowden and I kept thinking of turning back but thought I could stetch it out, turns out I couldn't.  By the time I got to snake pass I was cramping in both thighs and calves and struggling to walk so thought it was best to drop out.  I think most people were saying it's the worse conditions they have seen it.  I'm glad I packed a proper jumper in my bag as I needed it to get to snake pass.
Yep, it's definitely the worst I've seen it, apparently getting on for 40 DNF's this year compared to the usual 5 or 10. I wish I'd packed a proper jumper too, only had a Patagonia base layer and thin goretex on, cold was really hurting by Snake Top. That pull up Lawrence Edge is a tough one, really steep and stretches the legs and to then have to bog hop on Bleaklow to Higher Shelf Stones is what finished a lot of people off I bet. You made the right decision I think as the team I was running with took another 3 1/2 hours from Snake Top to the finish.

Snake Top was a scene of moderate devastation too what with the support for the Spine race, I got a lift from one of my club members who was up there to do hot drinks and he said even the front runners in the top ten looked properly beaten by there.

Definitely doing it next year as there must be at least one year where it's cold, sunny and clear with no breeze?!


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 17, 2017, 01:05:31 pm
Trigger results are up;

http://www.marsdentoedale.co.uk/Results.htm

34 DNF's and 6 DQ's, all apparently for running down the road at the end from Jacob's ladder. Feels a bit harsh given the conditions and especially as they let other results stand of runners who missed one or two CP's.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 17, 2017, 01:49:24 pm
Trigger results are up;

http://www.marsdentoedale.co.uk/Results.htm

34 DNF's and 6 DQ's, all apparently for running down the road at the end from Jacob's ladder. Feels a bit harsh given the conditions and especially as they let other results stand of runners who missed one or two CP's.
That's still last year's results - no Andy Crome (Uptown of this parish) who completed in a bit over 5 hours - a fine effort! Also, Jasmin Paris won the women's race.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on January 17, 2017, 01:59:41 pm
Odd. Have you got a cached page?

The results I can see seem to tally with times on Strava.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 17, 2017, 02:01:02 pm
Trigger results are up;

http://www.marsdentoedale.co.uk/Results.htm

34 DNF's and 6 DQ's, all apparently for running down the road at the end from Jacob's ladder. Feels a bit harsh given the conditions and especially as they let other results stand of runners who missed one or two CP's.
That's still last year's results - no Andy Crome (Uptown of this parish) who completed in a bit over 5 hours - a fine effort! Also, Jasmin Paris won the women's race.
Are you sure? I am listed as a DNF and I didn't race last year?! Might have cached the page on your PC??  :shrug:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 17, 2017, 02:19:43 pm
Sorry, my mistake. I'll try pressing refresh next time!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on January 18, 2017, 01:57:16 pm
Yep, it's definitely the worst I've seen it, apparently getting on for 40 DNF's this year compared to the usual 5 or 10. I wish I'd packed a proper jumper too, only had a Patagonia base layer and thin goretex on, cold was really hurting by Snake Top. That pull up Lawrence Edge is a tough one, really steep and stretches the legs and to then have to bog hop on Bleaklow to Higher Shelf Stones is what finished a lot of people off I bet. You made the right decision I think as the team I was running with took another 3 1/2 hours from Snake Top to the finish.

Snake Top was a scene of moderate devastation too what with the support for the Spine race, I got a lift from one of my club members who was up there to do hot drinks and he said even the front runners in the top ten looked properly beaten by there.

Definitely doing it next year as there must be at least one year where it's cold, sunny and clear with no breeze?!

I had a helly baselayer on and a tshirt and a Patagonia R1 in my bag which was definately the right choice.  Also I'd bought a pair of buffalo mitts a couple of months ago after reading good things about them on the FRA forum, this was there first proper test and they were brilliant, I think my hands were the only part of me that stayed warm the whole time.

I'm definately up for it again next year.  A mate told me the first time he did it (2012 I think) was the best weather he has seen, blue skies and a light frost so it was solid under foot
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on January 23, 2017, 05:44:44 pm
Anybody thinking of doing the Teenager with Altitude or Anniversary Waltz this year? Places filling up fast and I'm throwing my hat in to the ring for the former this year after last year's Waltz outing. TWA looks to be a longish day out.

http://www.anniversarywaltz.co.uk

I'm in for the Waltz. Really looking forward to it - the running around Newlands is just so good.

Ennerdale entry going in soon too...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on January 23, 2017, 05:49:48 pm
Not exactly fell running (not many on here at the moment) but did a 10k XC race yesterday. really enjoyed it in spite of being rubbish (time circa 53:30) going was good - all muddy bits still mostly frozen. Felt a bit exclusive though, mostly club runners. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on January 27, 2017, 03:23:22 pm
Just done something I may live to regret, but looks like I've applied for the Ring Of Steall Skyline race after a bit of encouragement and poking (mostly from friends who want someone slower than them taking part). Anyone else entered, looks like a few places left.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on January 27, 2017, 03:48:53 pm
Awesome. I bet it'll be brilliant.

I was seriously thinking about it, but I've got commitment issues at the mo ::)

Anyone else (apart from Stabbsy) doing Tigger Tor on Sunday? I ran most of the course with a mate last Sunday over lovely frozen ground. Looking like it's gonna be somewhat softer underfoot this weekend. I'm psyched as I'm spectating (got kids in tow) and it'll be the first time I've seem the front runners in a fell race. The line off the top of Burbage north is sooooo fast, I hope no shoe-gazing boulderers wandering around with pads aren't taken out!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 27, 2017, 04:09:44 pm
Not exactly fell running (not many on here at the moment) but did a 10k XC race yesterday. really enjoyed it in spite of being rubbish (time circa 53:30) going was good - all muddy bits still mostly frozen. Felt a bit exclusive though, mostly club runners. Time will tell.

Good work beast! Be good for your speed too if you can keep those sessions up.

Anyone else (apart from Stabbsy) doing Tigger Tor on Sunday? I ran most of the course with a mate last Sunday over lovely frozen ground. Looking like it's gonna be somewhat softer underfoot this weekend. I'm psyched as I'm spectating (got kids in tow) and it'll be the first time I've seem the front runners in a fell race. The line off the top of Burbage north is sooooo fast, I hope no shoe-gazing boulderers wandering around with pads aren't taken out!

I really wanted to drive over for this as it'd be something a bit different terrain-wise but have committed to a Teenager recce on Sunday. Best of luck to you all!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: al on January 27, 2017, 05:36:30 pm
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Anyone else (apart from Stabbsy) doing Tigger Tor on Sunday?
i have a place but my calf's knackered so won't make it, if anyone wants my entry I could email the RO - gutted, its always a good way to start the year
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on January 27, 2017, 05:48:28 pm

I was seriously thinking about it, but I've got commitment issues at the mo ::)


If i read it right, looks like about 20-30 places left.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on January 28, 2017, 12:54:37 pm
Anybody thinking of doing the Teenager with Altitude or Anniversary Waltz this year? Places filling up fast and I'm throwing my hat in to the ring for the former this year after last year's Waltz outing. TWA looks to be a longish day out.

http://www.anniversarywaltz.co.uk

I'm in for the Waltz. Really looking forward to it - the running around Newlands is just so good.

Ennerdale entry going in soon too...

Just signed up for The Waltz too. First proper venture into Lakes races, and also at that distance. Excited with trepidation!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Boogster on January 28, 2017, 06:29:18 pm
I'm doing Tigger Tor. First ever fell race. Really looking forward to it. :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on January 28, 2017, 06:39:14 pm
Good luck guys

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Title: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 29, 2017, 07:36:56 pm
I'm doing Tigger Tor. First ever fell race. Really looking forward to it. :)
How did you find it Boogster? Be good to hear what you thought of the organisation and set up too as I can pass it on to the RO


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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Boogster on January 29, 2017, 10:53:34 pm
The whole thing was brilliant, I thought. Well organised, friendly, good marshalling, great course (although it's a shame about the stretch of road at the end) . From an organising perspective I think the only thing that could have been improved was the sound set up: I didn't hear when we were called to the starting pen so ended up almost literally last in. Couldn't hear the prize giving very well either. :)

Ended up coming 34th and it was mega. Absolutely bombed down the downhills and ended up rolling in the bog at the bottom of Carl Wark - all good fun. Really great pick for first fell race: serious, but not too serious. Will definitely be racing a lot more this year!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on January 30, 2017, 08:52:44 am
The whole thing was brilliant, I thought. Well organised, friendly, good marshalling, great course (although it's a shame about the stretch of road at the end) . From an organising perspective I think the only thing that could have been improved was the sound set up: I didn't hear when we were called to the starting pen so ended up almost literally last in. Couldn't hear the prize giving very well either. :)

Ended up coming 34th and it was mega. Absolutely bombed down the downhills and ended up rolling in the bog at the bottom of Carl Wark - all good fun. Really great pick for first fell race: serious, but not too serious. Will definitely be racing a lot more this year!
Glad you enjoyed it Boogster and a great result in your first ever race, I'd have been well chuffed with that position!  :2thumbsup:

I've passed your comments on too to Totley AC. Road section isn't ideal as you say but an unfortunate part of having to start the race where we do.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 30, 2017, 09:31:02 am
Just signed up for The Waltz too. First proper venture into Lakes races, and also at that distance. Excited with trepidation!

Awesome news Mini! Sounds like there'll be a bit of a UKB team out on the day. The Teenager sets off earlier than The Waltz but it'd be good to meet a few of you post race.

The Waltz is such an amazing route and if the weather is anything like it was last year we'll be in for a treat.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on January 30, 2017, 10:18:09 am
Randon news - Jorg Verhoeven, 9a wad and free Nose ascensionist managed a second place in the C class at the Marmot Dark Mountains at the weekend.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on January 30, 2017, 10:35:08 am
Randon news - Jorg Verhoeven, 9a wad and free Nose ascensionist managed a second place in the C class at the Marmot Dark Mountains at the weekend.

 8)  :bow:

From his FB page "This is gonna sound weird and don't worry, I haven't stopped climbing, but I'm happy (and crazy scared) to have decided that I will join the Marmot Dark Mountains Marathon! The event has a strong English touch: it's at night. It's mid winter. There's river crossings. No GPS. Easiest course is 35 km and 1800 altitude meters... It's gonna be awwwwesome! And no, I have never done any running before, so I'll probably die."
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 30, 2017, 10:58:43 am
The whole thing was brilliant, I thought. Well organised, friendly, good marshalling, great course (although it's a shame about the stretch of road at the end) . From an organising perspective I think the only thing that could have been improved was the sound set up: I didn't hear when we were called to the starting pen so ended up almost literally last in. Couldn't hear the prize giving very well either. :)

Ended up coming 34th and it was mega. Absolutely bombed down the downhills and ended up rolling in the bog at the bottom of Carl Wark - all good fun. Really great pick for first fell race: serious, but not too serious. Will definitely be racing a lot more this year!
I'd agree with most of that - cracking day out, great route, managed to stay on my feet all the way round. I actually quite like the road bit, it's a good test to see if you can still run make your legs work properly after 9 miles of bogs, still had a bit of a sprint finish at the end (I lost!). Loads of people out supporting - T_B at Burbage North, big crowd at Higgar. Sound system wasn't great, both at the start and for the presentations - hardly realised the presentations were going on and I was stood middle of the room.

Looking back down the first field when you join the road at about 1km made you realise how big a race it was and what an effort it must be to organise and get everyone back safe. Looking forward to the next Totley race in May.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on January 30, 2017, 11:03:49 am
U must be pleased with your result Neil - only 2 mins behind 2nd place!

Was fun to watch, but definitely more fun to be running ;-)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on January 30, 2017, 11:07:56 am
Randon news - Jorg Verhoeven, 9a wad and free Nose ascensionist managed a second place in the C class at the Marmot Dark Mountains at the weekend.

 8)  :bow:

From his FB page "This is gonna sound weird and don't worry, I haven't stopped climbing, but I'm happy (and crazy scared) to have decided that I will join the Marmot Dark Mountains Marathon! The event has a strong English touch: it's at night. It's mid winter. There's river crossings. No GPS. Easiest course is 35 km and 1800 altitude meters... It's gonna be awwwwesome! And no, I have never done any running before, so I'll probably die."

The inaugural Dark Mountains has been my only DNF, weather dependent, it's a pretty tough race. I found it far harder than the High Peak Marathon but it is quite a different beast and when I did the Dark Mountains I was running with an epileptic who only suffered fits when tired at night who managed to get mild hypothermia......
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 30, 2017, 11:31:44 am
U must be pleased with your result Neil - only 2 mins behind 2nd place!

Was fun to watch, but definitely more fun to be running ;-)
Only 2 mins but 11 places, a long way off troubling the podium! Well pleased with my efforts, not sure I could have run much better on the day. Had a rough patch on the way back to the packhorse bridge from Houndkirk, but otherwise felt pretty strong all the way round. Still need to work on my descending on steep stuff though, definitely lost ground there and made it up on the climbs/flat.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on January 30, 2017, 01:04:52 pm
Randon news - Jorg Verhoeven, 9a wad and free Nose ascensionist managed a second place in the C class at the Marmot Dark Mountains at the weekend.

Nav wad, we gave up after spending hour and a half failing to find the 4th check point. Can see there route here (http://map.opentracking.co.uk/darkmount17/). Apparently the nav this year was way harder than last year when it was in the northern Lakes. Big drop out rate across all classes.

Well done folks who did the Tigger Tor, and good luck on the TWA/Waltz, TWA is probably the best race I've done.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Boogster on January 30, 2017, 01:39:41 pm
Quote from: Boogster link=topic=24552.msg543779#msg543779 idate=1485730414
The whole thing was brilliant, I thought. Well organised, friendly, good marshalling, great course (although it's a shame about the stretch of road at the end) . From an organising perspective I think the only thing that could have been improved was the sound set up: I didn't hear when we were called to the starting pen so ended up almost literally last in. Couldn't hear the prize giving very well either. :)

Ended up coming 34th and it was mega. Absolutely bombed down the downhills and ended up rolling in the bog at the bottom of Carl Wark - all good fun. Really great pick for first fell race: serious, but not too serious. Will definitely be racing a lot more this year!
Glad you enjoyed it Boogster and a great result in your first ever race, I'd have been well chuffed with that position!  :2thumbsup:

I've passed your comments on too to Totley AC. Road section isn't ideal as you say but an unfortunate part of having to start the race where we do.

Thanks! I was pretty chuffed. Totally understand that the road section has to be there; I just need to get fitter so that I'm able to run it properly next year.

Brannock: sounds horrendous! Hope it wasn't too disappointing.

I'm really keen to get into the Lakes now; thinking of Fairfield Horseshoe race in May. Anyone done it? Any other middle distance recommendations!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on January 30, 2017, 02:35:55 pm
I'm really keen to get into the Lakes now; thinking of Fairfield Horseshoe race in May. Anyone done it? Any other middle distance recommendations!

Buttermere-Sailbeck the following weekend? Some steep ascents/descents but also plenty of runnable sections over the tops. Definitely no road at the end. Just nail it it down Whiteless Pike as fast as you can into the finishing field and collapse.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on February 01, 2017, 08:19:50 am
Edale Skyline entries have opened (https://www.sientries.co.uk/event.php?elid=Y&event_id=3397), usually fills up pretty fast.

Re Dark Mountains, it was disappointing and a poor effort, suspect the people who were out 10+ hours and didin't get round might have had a worse time of it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on February 01, 2017, 11:10:32 pm
TWA is probably the best race I've done.

That's great to hear.

Bit of a tech question/scenario if anybody can assist:

I've drawn a GPX track in Strava Routes and want to export it for use on a Suunto Ambit watch. If at the start of a race/run I load the route to nav with on the watch but simultaneously record my activity, will the final output file be a trace of the actual distance and elevation ran or the one computed by Strava Routes when I've drawn it?

e.g. TWA race comes in at a reputed 7300ft ascent but my (painstakingly drawn) trace of it in Strava routes computes 6634ft. I know it won't be 100% correct but still....

 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on February 02, 2017, 02:47:24 pm
Pretty sure the Strava trace will be where you've been, rather than route followed. That's how Tomtom watches work anyway.

Ill try and dig through a friends strava tonight to see what ascent it recorded for the TWA.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on February 02, 2017, 02:57:57 pm
1983m - 2012m depending on who you are. There's a segment for the entire course 'Causey Pike (TwA)'.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on February 02, 2017, 03:04:03 pm
Cheers guys. Reckon it should be actual route covered as would seem wrong to log a route that would be subject to micro variants during the actual activity.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on February 02, 2017, 03:14:07 pm
Yes, 6550 feet.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on February 22, 2017, 03:45:39 pm
Anybody in for the High Cup Nick race on Saturday? I'm tentatively in.

http://www.northernrunner.com/blog/high-cup-nick-fell-race-2017/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on February 22, 2017, 09:54:37 pm
I was tempted by the High Cup Nick race but it's the orienteering northern champs on Sunday and I need to get some work done on Saturday so I'll probably give it a miss. Good luck if you go - looking at the forecast it might be wise to pack a canoe and some armbands, just in case.

Went to Flower Scar last Saturday which was a cracking blast around the moors and quite bit tougher than it appeared from just looking at the map. Felt like a bit of a Pennine fell running Greatest Hits - a bit of everything with long, runnable climbs early on, mega fast descents, tricky rocky descents, horribly steep climbs through old quarry workings, bog, bog and more bog and a sting in the tail climb right at the end. Got to hear the words "we've caught Simon Bailey" which I can guarantee I will never hear again (and only heard this time because he'd accidentally taken the scenic route in the mist - still not going to stop me mentioning it at every opportunity) and the cake at the end was excellent. Highly recommended; good work from Tod Harriers putting it on.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 02, 2017, 12:18:53 pm
My first race of the year this weekend (Hope Winter). Anyone else doing it?

Despite the fact it's exceedingly muddy in places, overall it felt like a pretty fast course when I recced it last weekend. The last 3km will suit those who can run fast as it's gently downhill or flat. I'm pretty psyched as I've been running very consistently over the past two months and feel fitter than I was last year. I've got a bit of a question mark over my left foot/ankle at the mo, which I've damaged fairly badly in the past falling off rocks, so will be taking it a bit easier on the descents and not sure I'll be able to go flat out at the end on the road in my fell shoes!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on March 02, 2017, 12:32:10 pm
Flower Scar...... a sting in the tail climb right at the end.
What a heart breaker that last climb is.

You'll find something extra at the end T_B if your place is under threat. Have a good'un.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 02, 2017, 02:36:51 pm
Good luck Tom! Sure you'll run a cracker!

High Cup Nick was awesome and I felt really good during the race from a stack of stair reps these past few months. Only regret was not going off faster at the gun as finished pretty fresh. That's the price you pay if you haven't reccied a course I suppose!

Off on some Ennerdale reccies soon if anybody has designs on it and fancies meeting up.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 02, 2017, 02:54:14 pm
Yes, good work on HCN. My Dad used to live near there, can't say it's my fave part of the world.. especially in winter (unless on skis). All a bit bleak!

I've got a few races lined up over the next few weeks, all being well. Going to enter the Coledale Horseshoe as my mate is doing it as part of his 40th b-day weekend. I think the AM Lakes races suit me reasonably well in terms of ascent/distance combo (Buttermere-Sailback was my best result last year). So looking forward to that.

If only there was some fingerboarding-fell running duathlon event, I might finish in the middle of the field :lol:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 02, 2017, 03:25:16 pm
Hear you on the bleakness but the valley is a shrewd winter choice in terms of shelter from the wind. Pretty wild on the tops but better than overheating!

Love the idea of a fingerboarding/fell running duathlon too!

Perhaps we should run our own UKB club championships.  :-\
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on March 03, 2017, 10:12:11 am
I should be doing Hope Winter.

Looks like its going to be quite hard to pace it right, steep slog up win hill at the start but need to keep enough left for the fast second half. Achilles is a bit sore so I'm not going to pushing to hard, looking forward to it though.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on March 08, 2017, 06:18:37 pm
Anyone use the Salomon Speedcross shoes for out on the hills? Tried on a pair while wandering round decathlon and they look pretty good, and not too pricey.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on March 08, 2017, 10:41:26 pm
I've got a pair of Speedcross 3s. I love them, they're the most comfortable shoes I've used and they're my shoes of preference for most of my fell running. Unfortunately they're pretty dismal in claggy mud so if I think I'm going to be trekking through loads of bog I'll wear my Mudclaws instead. They're also quite warm, which I guess can be a good or a bad thing depending on the time of year.

I'd definitely buy another pair if my current ones died, although they seem to be standing up to abuse pretty well and look pristine still.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on March 09, 2017, 08:45:00 am
Sounds great thanks. Up the Scottish hills we rarely get proper claggy mud, so should be OK.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 10, 2017, 10:40:32 am
Anybody doing Black Combe tomorrow? Gutted I can't make it as have a pal coming to visit. Last year's clag chaos was hugely enjoyable!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 10, 2017, 10:45:10 am
No and didn't race last weekend as my ankle has been causing me bother :( (overdoing it, plus too much road running I think. Seems to be getting better. Hope it will be OK for Wolf's Pit next weekend...).

In other news, X-Claws on Wiggle for £60 if, like me, you're looking for a bit more cushioning!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 20, 2017, 01:40:53 pm
Did you manage to recover for the race Tom? Hope you're bouncing back!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 20, 2017, 01:50:20 pm
Nope. Saw my GP last wk, have had an X-ray and waiting to get referred to see a foot and ankle specialist. Tis not right, though I *suspect* it's a ligament/tendon 'issue', causing me to strike the ground too hard when it's tired and thus affecting the entire joint. Rather than bone/joint damage/arthritis. Said tendon/ligament still feels inflamed after a week of not running (played football with twelve 6-year-olds on Saturday, which maybe wasn't that wise).

Gonna hold off running for now  :(
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 20, 2017, 02:42:59 pm
Really sorry to hear this beast. Hope you heal fast and get some good advice to get back to full power.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 20, 2017, 02:59:46 pm
Thanks Tom. Yeah, I'm pretty gutted as was starting to feel fit but am thinking long term and trying to be sensible!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 20, 2017, 04:50:15 pm
Always the best way. Sure you'll be able to do a programme of cardio in some form to help keep you up and at em.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 31, 2017, 10:43:02 am
Does anybody happen to be out on a recce of anywhere tomorrow? Have the day free and keen for a long day out in the hills.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on March 31, 2017, 12:34:17 pm
Hi all. For the first time in a couple of years I'm psyched to get back into some fell running this summer, so much so that I've booked myself onto a few runs already (might have been overly ambitious!) and keen to do some local ones in the Peak.

I'm interested in how others combine running and climbing. It's not something I've ever felt I've done well before. I'm very willing to put climbing on the back-burner for much of summer, but don't want to go backwards strength-wise. I've been thinking of finger-boarding a couple of times a week as a fairly low-energy investment but which will hopefully keep me from regressing at least. Really interested in others' thoughts regarding what kind of climbing or training combines well.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 31, 2017, 05:33:04 pm
I'm interested in how others combine running and climbing. It's not something I've ever felt I've done well before. I'm very willing to put climbing on the back-burner for much of summer, but don't want to go backwards strength-wise. I've been thinking of finger-boarding a couple of times a week as a fairly low-energy investment but which will hopefully keep me from regressing at least. Really interested in others' thoughts regarding what kind of climbing or training combines well.

In my experience it comes down to a) time b) tiredness and c) stiffness.

Obviously it depends to what extent you want to commit to running, but here are a few thoughts (I am a punter fell runner, but am psyched to improve both my climbing and running)

1) Run easy. Harder running takes longer to recover from, will affect how hard you can train/climb afterwards and requires more attention in terms of stiffness (hamstrings are my main issue, as I boulder a lot - pulling in on steep boards can be just as bad as heelhooking).

2) Climb before running ideally, not the other way round (but accept that if you've been using your legs a lot or jumping off a lot, this will impact on your running).

3) When 2) is not always practical, bear in mind that running makes you tired! I’ve found doing deadhanging or bouldering at lunch time after a relatively short run to work quite tough. It almost feels like a mental thing. I prefer doing routes/circuits on the same days that I run.

4) Nutrition. I think you can get away without thinking too much about nutrition as a climber. Once you start doing a sport that requires a lot of fuel, it’s worth taking a bit more interest.

Overall, I think fell running and climbing combine really well, though upper body mass is clearly of little use to runners. That said, check out Ricky Lightfoot’s guns! https://www.instagram.com/p/BSNpEOij-qx/?taken-by=rickylightfoot&hl=en
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on March 31, 2017, 06:26:12 pm
Mostly agree with what Tom said, although I find deadhanging OK in the evening after an easy lunchtime run (bouldering less so). I've also been experimenting with circuits at lunch then run in the evening. No conclusions yet as I only tried it this week for the first time.

I usually find running/racing after a climbing day works OK and don't think it impacts massively on my performance. I'd stand no chance doing it the other way round. My biggest issue last year was too many (and too long) races - basically I love racing, even though I'm not great at it. I did 30+ races over the year including some long stuff (20 miles plus) and I struggled to climb at a decent level at the same time. This year, I'm planning on reducing the number of races over the summer and avoiding the longer stuff, so I can focus a bit more on climbing. It might work or I might end up under performing at both sports for another year!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on April 01, 2017, 09:48:55 am
Nice one, thanks Tom and Stabbsy. Some food for thought, I'll digest it.

I'm completely naive to the nutrition side of running, any suggestions on a good place to read up on the basics?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on April 01, 2017, 10:20:40 am
Just eat everything you can find basically.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 01, 2017, 07:40:12 pm

I'm completely naive to the nutrition side of running, any suggestions on a good place to read up on the basics?

I've only read Racing Weight by Matt Fitzgerald. A mistake I made last year was eating more than I needed to really. Don't listen to wintermute unless you're running 100k a week and regularly winning races  ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 04, 2017, 11:10:24 am
Currently experiencing a bout of runner's knee in both knees and am resolving to address the problem rather than continuing through it as normal. I've read a lot of contradictory articles about doing squats,stretches, etc. One article was advocating avoiding any work on the quadriceps until the symptoms die down but others say to do them. I'd say it's been in the background for the past few months and is due to me being poorly conditioned as a whole. It's not painful to run on nor immediately afterwards and instead seems to feel a bit dull/stiff/clicky when sitting down.

I'm off to Japan for two weeks next week so I'll use this time to do some cross training and pilates exercises away from the lure of the hills. Does anybody have experience of coming back strong from this and if so, what did you find worked and perhaps didn't work?

Really hoping to get on top of it so that Ennerdale and Wasdale don't become wasted training efforts and dreams!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on April 04, 2017, 12:19:04 pm
Never had runner's knee specifically but both knees packed in (for different reasons) last year, in both cases the fix was to ease back the mileage to whatever I could do without pain and to do a load of stretching/strengthening stuff (which I'm still doing) before slowly building the miles back up. It was pretty frustrating for a while, just going out and whenever I got to 3 or 4 miles having to stop running and walk back but it worked and they've been pain free for a few months now.

Have you seen a physio? Knees are complex beasts, you might find the prognosis isn't as bad as you think. Ennerdale is still two months away, that's loads of time to get fixed and fit again!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on April 04, 2017, 02:24:01 pm
Have you seen a physio? Knees are complex beasts, you might find the prognosis isn't as bad as you think.

This. better to see a specialist than ask what is (essentially) a bunch of boulderers. Might be an easy fix.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on April 04, 2017, 03:09:31 pm
Patellofemoral pain syndrome? Had it quite a few times, squats are the only thing I've found that works. Generally found I can keep running through it with enough squats, cut down the mileage and less fast stuff/hills.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 04, 2017, 03:43:29 pm
Never had runner's knee specifically but both knees packed in (for different reasons) last year, in both cases the fix was to ease back the mileage to whatever I could do without pain and to do a load of stretching/strengthening stuff (which I'm still doing) before slowly building the miles back up. It was pretty frustrating for a while, just going out and whenever I got to 3 or 4 miles having to stop running and walk back but it worked and they've been pain free for a few months now.

Have you seen a physio? Knees are complex beasts, you might find the prognosis isn't as bad as you think. Ennerdale is still two months away, that's loads of time to get fixed and fit again!

I'll endeavor to seek advice asap, thanks ajh. I'm not experiencing pain as such so hopeful that it won't be a long drawn out recovery affair.
Patellofemoral pain syndrome? Had it quite a few times, squats are the only thing I've found that works. Generally found I can keep running through it with enough squats, cut down the mileage and less fast stuff/hills.

Interesting to hear that they've worked for you Brannock. In all honesty, the issue has reminded me that conditioning needs to be a core part of my training. Stupid really as I should know better.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on April 06, 2017, 09:42:12 am
Ha, fair point Tom! I think (with no scientific backing) that its important not to try and diet in any way whilst increasing your mileage. I'll concede that thankfully it isn't really something I have to give much thought to though.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on April 06, 2017, 10:29:45 am
It thought for food though :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on April 09, 2017, 09:46:13 am
Feeling super stiff and massively sunburnt after yesterday's Coledale Horseshoe race. What a brilliant route and what a day for it!! My first race since December and my first ever AM and not only did I achieve my usual racing goal of not coming last, I also found myself overtaking a few people on the slog up Grisedale Pike!

Only downsides were some stomach cramp problems on all the descents unfortunately - not sure if it was related to a caffeine gel on the way up the first climb. The last downhill to the finish had me a little worried I might vomit! A bit disappointing to let myself down as descents are usually a strong point but I'll know for next time.

Anniversary Waltz next!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 10, 2017, 07:29:47 am
Well done Julie, I thought it was incredibly tough, especially the final two sections of Grisedale Pike. It was my mate's first Lakeland fell race (he's Peak-based and a pretty decent runner) and he found it harder than expected. For me it was an interesting experiment having done so little ascent this year, but more running. I basically blew up by Coledale Hause having gone off too fast and pushed too hard up Grisedale to try and stay on sub two hour pace. I could barely move on the scramble up Eel Crag with my legs just full of lactic. I decided to take in the views and not be too down about how the wheels were falling off! I grew up in the Lakes but I've not been on the tops many times in such incredible clear conditions with zero wind. I've been to the Himalayas, Alaska etc but when it's like that the Lakes are unbeatable. I actually had a fall coming off Crag Hill due to jelly legs so had to calm down a bit, ran OK down the valley then was basically walking as soon as the path split before Barrow. Somehow I raced the last 1k and took the bum slide through one of those patches of bog, held onto my position though  ;). So yes, the take away message is you can't do Lakeland fell races without some climbing in your legs! I actually ran fast (for me) on the running sections, just let down on the ascents. Time to put some Kinder miles in!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on April 10, 2017, 09:19:45 am
I definitely hadn't got enough climb in my legs in the run up to the race. Too much road running and not enough fells! But I did better than my usual position of 10th from last so I'm fairly happy - the mini mountain marathon the weekend before and my aborted attempt at the Langdale Horseshie the weekend before that must have gone some way to mitigate my flat winter running.

I'm impressed you got out to Reecastle afterwards! What did you climb? All I managed was sitting in the river at Braithwaite and eating ice cream.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 10, 2017, 10:04:12 am
Just did Rack finger flake finish later on after emptying the shelves at Booths. At least it's steep and more on your arms than your feet.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 10, 2017, 01:57:04 pm
Good work both of you! I had this pencilled in initially but couldn't make it in the end. Looks like you got a great day for it and nice job on putting some real effort in by the sound of it.

I'm not going to be around on the weekend of the Waltz/TWA and my entry on the latter is probably still available if anybody fancies it? I can find out if so. Recce'd the first part of TWA yesterday and I'd highly advise a recce of the transition between a few of the early checkpoints. Such an amazing course and the Waltz has to be one of the very best out there. Top tip is to keep a good pace on the road/track start and go hard for Robinson and Hindscarth; you'll have bagged a lot of the ascent and a lot of the tops are runnable. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on April 10, 2017, 07:29:19 pm
I've been to the Himalayas, Alaska etc but when it's like that the Lakes are unbeatable.

 :agree:

What. A. Day. I can't remember the last time I got this sunburnt or had so much fun in the hills. I also thought I'd overdone it on Grisedale Pike; fortunately my legs woke up on the way down to Coledale Hause. I was desperately rubbing water from the damp rock on Crag Hill onto my face to try and cool down! Loved the descent from there - rocky and technical seems to be one of my strengths and for once it was nice not to have half the field stream past me on the way down. Barrow was awful - I was pretty much on my knees - there's only about two bloody contour rings to cross! The finish was just great although I only just stayed upright in those last couple of bogs! Straight down the hill for a lie down in the river. Brilliant.

Well done to everyone else who ran!

I'm not going to be around on the weekend of the Waltz/TWA

That's a shame, is this because of the knee injury or other life events taking priority?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on April 10, 2017, 08:33:44 pm
Not really done much running since the autumn but got inspired by mates racing and the psyche on here, so just cycled 4 km on mum's shopper bike (all that I have available and I hate flat road running) to get to the start of what I hoped would be a good hilly circuit near my mum's. Ended up having the most continuous, fast (for me) and pain/niggle/weakness free run ever!  7.4km/190m ascent on a mix of farm track, sheep track, really rough cattle track (grim, boggy, ankle breaking) and lots of open grassy/heathery hillside in 51:33. All up and down with very little flat, really nice views and felt very unfamiliar despite being slap bang in the middle of where I grew up.  Really chuffed!


The good thing about being a total punter at something is the feeling of improving - those gains are much more incremental and hard won in climbing!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 11, 2017, 09:40:42 am
I've been to the Himalayas, Alaska etc but when it's like that the Lakes are unbeatable.

 :agree:

What. A. Day. I can't remember the last time I got this sunburnt or had so much fun in the hills. I also thought I'd overdone it on Grisedale Pike; fortunately my legs woke up on the way down to Coledale Hause. I was desperately rubbing water from the damp rock on Crag Hill onto my face to try and cool down! Loved the descent from there - rocky and technical seems to be one of my strengths and for once it was nice not to have half the field stream past me on the way down. Barrow was awful - I was pretty much on my knees - there's only about two bloody contour rings to cross! The finish was just great although I only just stayed upright in those last couple of bogs! Straight down the hill for a lie down in the river. Brilliant.

Well done to everyone else who ran!

I'm not going to be around on the weekend of the Waltz/TWA

That's a shame, is this because of the knee injury or other life events taking priority?

Good effort on the race ajh! Jealous that you all got to enjoy such glorious conditions!

I'm now off to Japan for a few weeks so just gym work for me whilst there. Oddly, the knees are feeling a bit better after a couple of weeks of conditioning and even after a day out Sunday they're OK.

As an aside, I investigated the potential for some mountain running whilst in Japan but after reading this article, I was put off!: http://trailrunningjapan.blogspot.co.uk/p/trail-running-in-japan.html

Not really done much running since the autumn but got inspired by mates racing and the psyche on here, so just cycled 4 km on mum's shopper bike (all that I have available and I hate flat road running) to get to the start of what I hoped would be a good hilly circuit near my mum's. Ended up having the most continuous, fast (for me) and pain/niggle/weakness free run ever!  7.4km/190m ascent on a mix of farm track, sheep track, really rough cattle track (grim, boggy, ankle breaking) and lots of open grassy/heathery hillside in 51:33. All up and down with very little flat, really nice views and felt very unfamiliar despite being slap bang in the middle of where I grew up.  Really chuffed!


The good thing about being a total punter at something is the feeling of improving - those gains are much more incremental and hard won in climbing!

Nice work Fultonius,that sounds like a proper northern Hovis day out, keep it up. Can totally relate on the feeling of improving front.



Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on April 17, 2017, 05:36:13 pm
Yup. I might have a shot at playing the harpsichord next.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on April 19, 2017, 11:46:37 am
Did a bit of running up on Middleton Common over the Easter weekend. Not exactly fell running but it was boss - I even ran up some hills and shit and didn't die!

Assume yous have all seen this...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF1BPS3uQ24
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on April 19, 2017, 12:02:49 pm
Yeah, sod that. So far away from what I do as to be on a different planet.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on April 19, 2017, 01:03:10 pm
https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item/71031/from_everest_to_the_bob_graham_-_kilian_jornets_plans_for_2017

Interesting ambitions.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on April 19, 2017, 07:32:24 pm
https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item/71031/from_everest_to_the_bob_graham_-_kilian_jornets_plans_for_2017

Interesting ambitions.

Hmmm, it is interesting as I have it on good authority that he has tried the BGR previously, last year I think, and he dropped out prior to finishing.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on April 24, 2017, 10:35:10 am
Another cracking weekend in the Lakes! I'm starting to feel a bit spoilt - every time I've run up here recently it's been suncream weather. Saturday's Anniversary Waltz was at least a bit cooler than Coledale, in fact it was pretty perfect weather.

The race itself was brilliant and there was a massive turnout - the entry list was over 400 strong before the day! I was thoroughly enjoying myself until I picked an awful line off Dale Head and burnt my quads out picking my way down steep rocky tussocks and losing places. The slog up to High Spy felt endless after that and I had proper jelly legs for the rest of the race, struggling even to keep running on the downhills. The views were incredible though and I'm planning to go back to run it again at some point when I can really enjoy it instead of feeling like I might die!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: erm, sam on April 24, 2017, 10:56:54 am
Sounds good!
I did the Kinder Downfall yesterday which was I really enjoyed. Top weather, lots of rocks to run around/over, cake at the end.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 24, 2017, 04:00:00 pm
Nice one Julie, I'd love to do that race at some point. Looks like it might be decent for Coniston this weekend too!

Bigup to UKB's v own wintermute for smashing AW with a win of 1:32:52. Not far off course record and 5 minutes quicker than 2nd place  :bow:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on April 24, 2017, 05:22:57 pm
Amazing effort wintermule and well done JulieM
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on April 24, 2017, 09:43:44 pm
I have got to say without a shadow of a doubt that Anni Waltz is by far the best racing day out I've ever had. Probably because I had no intention to 'race', but to enjoy the day, especially after blowing my IT band the previous weekend. But what a stunning day for it, slowing down many a time to take in the full Lakes panoramic. It as also nice to start at the back of the pack and work through the runners rather than blowing out of the proverbial all of the time, and pleased to finish just over two hours.

Definitely back next year, racing fit...... maybe!

And props to Chris for a blinding victory!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on April 25, 2017, 10:22:21 am
Bigup to UKB's v own wintermute for smashing AW with a win of 1:32:52. Not far off course record and 5 minutes quicker than 2nd place  :bow:

 :agree:

Yes, amazing effort from Wintermute. I'm even more impressed after reading through some of the old posts on this thread and realising he's not been racing for that long!! Inspiring stuff!

Anyone doing the Three Peaks race on Saturday? I'm not but I'll be marshalling on Pen-y-Ghent and will give an extra big cheer to any UKBers.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on April 25, 2017, 11:48:34 am
Top work everyone, looked a top day. Was a heavy decision to cancel going up for this, still coughing now so probs right thing to do. Mind you my mate backed out of the Teenager with a poorly knee and ended up marshalling next to the Mighty Joss so not a bad consolation prize. Wonder if I can swing a pass to Coniston instead?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on April 25, 2017, 05:05:54 pm
Bigup to UKB's v own wintermute for smashing AW with a win of 1:32:52. Not far off course record and 5 minutes quicker than 2nd place  :bow:

Yeah, a really impressive run. The Strava flyby puts it in perspective quite nicely; while he had his feet up at the finish, I was still savouring the course somewhere in the vicinity of High Spy. Carl Bell's run on the Teenager race was pretty gobsmacking as well; when I started being passed by some of their runners after Dale Head Tarn I assumed they were in the lead - not realising that he'd gone over Robinson before I'd got there...sobering stuff.

What a great day though - easy to see why it's such a popular race. The weather and seeing Joss out and about spectating were pretty much the icing on the cake - he must have got himself up and down Maiden Moor in pretty short order for an 80 year old, although not quickly enough to stop himself getting a bollocking off his wife for nearly missing Nicky Spinks finishing her challenge!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: al on April 28, 2017, 09:04:02 am
anyone catch steve birkinshaw on 5live yesterday? chatting about his wainwright run and book - hope it gets some extra sales for his book  :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08mtjxd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08mtjxd)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 02, 2017, 11:10:44 am
Very envious of all of you who undertook the Waltz and TWA this year. Sounds like you all had a great run, nice work!

Nice to finally compute that fellow Bowlander Chris is wintermute here too! Awesome effort mate!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on May 02, 2017, 11:43:42 am
Had a go at the Diggle Cake Race on Saturday - recommended. Free entry for home bakers, fiver for the rest of us. Donation at the end gets you a cuppa and as much cake as you can justify (2000 cals in my case). Mix of track climbs, flags, steps, singletrack, fast finish. Bit too traily in the middle where I lost a couple of places but overall a pretty nice event.

Just started the Birkinshaw book - looking forward to the meaty bits.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 02, 2017, 02:16:37 pm
My partner is doing the Glen Lyon Ultra this weekend. Seems there's a river crossing and is now concerned about running in wet feet and getting blisters etc.

Any advice regarding preventative footcare, what to wear etc. There is a drop bag where she can leave dry shoes / socks etc, but it's quite a way after the crossing.

TIA
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 02, 2017, 02:56:02 pm
Funnily enough Chris I was reading a thread on this matter earlier today. It appears that plenty are fond of the zinc oxide method that is oh so familiar to us: http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showthread.php?7951-Toenail-gone&p=632670#post632670

I ended up with a massive big toe blood blister and purple toe nail after a wet day out recently. I think the problem mainly arises for me when contouring but otherwise not really affected. I once tried to coat my feet in Vaseline before running but found that my feet just slid around in my socks and that it was a stupid idea.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 02, 2017, 03:54:58 pm
Hmm, Vaseline might be a bit grim, wonder if slathering with heel balm night before might help.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 02, 2017, 04:29:43 pm
Interesting to read there was an advocate of the dry method in that FRA thread. Surgical spirit being the weapon of choice....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on May 02, 2017, 06:51:32 pm
I'm probably the least experienced fell runner on here, but I have wet feet almost every time in out. I wouldn't worry too much. Tell her good luck from me!

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 03, 2017, 10:49:05 am
I'll let he know, thanks Ali. I think she's a bit nervous about it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on May 04, 2017, 12:46:20 pm
Any advice regarding preventative footcare, what to wear etc. There is a drop bag where she can leave dry shoes / socks etc, but it's quite a way after the crossing.

Probably depends on lots of things - how prone she is to getting blisters, how far it is to the drop bag, how long the race is full stop, how competitive she's being etc etc - but if it's a big worry why not just take socks off, cross barefoot (either in your running shoes or without) and put them back on on the other side? She'll probably end up with slightly damp feet but probably no worse than they would be with sweat and stuff and almost certainly better than trying something new on race day (which can be disastrous if it doesn't work out).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 04, 2017, 02:08:04 pm
Best of luck to your other half Chris. Sounds like she has been training hard and I'm sure it'll be a good event as a result.

Has anybody else here registered for Wasdale this year? Had two weeks off resting a bit of runner's knee and hoping I can schedule enough training to make it worthwhile entering.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 04, 2017, 03:11:24 pm

Probably depends on lots of things - how prone she is to getting blisters, how far it is to the drop bag, how long the race is full stop, how competitive she's being etc etc - but if it's a big worry why not just take socks off, cross barefoot (either in your running shoes or without) and put them back on on the other side? She'll probably end up with slightly damp feet but probably no worse than they would be with sweat and stuff and almost certainly better than trying something new on race day (which can be disastrous if it doesn't work out).

Thanks, yes seems logical had a look and can;t see route map, but looks like it;s a fig of 8 loop with start and bag drop in the middle of the 8l. She's never had any problems with blisters so far, but has only done road Marathons (London and Manchester) and a few on and off road halfs. I think she's leaning towards taking shoes off, but depends how bottom looks.

At least weather looks good, going to be dry and sunny on the day, and not much rain (or snowmelt!) for a while so hopefully river will be low.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 08, 2017, 11:03:15 am
So...

She got to the river. Looked upstream. Spotted a few rocks about 20m away, and hopped across them without even getting soles wet, at the same time watching on in disbelief as people waded through knee deep water!

Managed 6 hours, said it was a beautiful place to run, was a bit to hot though and ended up walking the really nasty hills. Loads of folk DNF from the heat.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 09, 2017, 09:45:28 am
Awesome news mate! The pair of you will have to run some races together south of the border soon.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 09, 2017, 12:17:41 pm
Well she did Manchester Marathon already - 3:38. She's way faster than me.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on May 10, 2017, 10:53:42 am
I'm at a training course in Leeds (Elland road) and my wrist is a bit dodgy so can't climb, but was thinking it might be good to stop for a nice 1hr run somewhere be between Leeds and Glasgow. Any recommendations?

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 10, 2017, 11:04:05 am
How about the Fairfield Horseshoe route? Easy parking and the record's a little over an hour but sure you could fit the route in within the sort of timescale you have?

http://www.amblesideac.org.uk/races/our-races/fairfield/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on May 10, 2017, 11:30:05 am
She got to the river. Looked upstream. Spotted a few rocks about 20m away, and hopped across them without even getting soles wet, at the same time watching on in disbelief as people waded through knee deep water!

 :lol:

Good effort from your other half in the heat; sounds like it was a tough day out!

I'm at a training course in Leeds (Elland road) and my wrist is a bit dodgy so can't climb, but was thinking it might be good to stop for a nice 1hr run somewhere be between Leeds and Glasgow. Any recommendations?

There's some lovely running to be had up on Ilkley Moor and everything's really dry underfoot; Round Hill on the other side of the valley is nice too. Should get some cracking views in the weather we're having at the moment. Or detour into the Lakes as Monolith suggested - only 20 minutes off the motorway to go to Keswick, the Coledale Horseshoe route is a stunner; probably take a bit more than an hour but would be well worth it!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 10, 2017, 11:59:14 am
If you're driving via the A66 something North Pennines stylee could be good. A loop taking in Cross Fell from Kirkland (15 mins off the A66) or similar would be nice, assuming it's good weather (it's grim up there in poor weather).

Some ideas here https://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/page.php?id=3529
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 10, 2017, 12:17:31 pm
Some great options off the A66, could do some cragspotting on the way; Goldsborough etc.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on May 10, 2017, 10:20:56 pm
Fairfield Horseshoe he says. One hour he says. ONE HOUR?!?!

Joking aside, stunning route. If you'd have asked me 5 years ago  if I thought I'd not only manage a 15k fell run, but actually enjoy it I would have laughed my face off. Funny how things evolve.

I was really struggling on the first climb from Rydal up to Nab Scar, 38 minutes and 2km in and I was thinking I'd misunderstood and ended up on something much bigger... Told myself I could turn back before Great Rigg if I didn't think I could manage. Everything started going better from there and as I passed Hart Crag and started descending I actually smiled!

Got a bit lost above Rydal House trying to cut back across. Is there a good way to save going right down to Ambleside?

Felt pretty strong until the last 2km when hip flexor and subsequently IT bands started to make themselves known, nothing too though. Didn't quite make may 2 hour target, but wouldn't have been last in last year's race so that's quite pleasing! 2

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on May 11, 2017, 06:58:07 am
Anyone planning on doing some of local Peak races in the next couple of weeks? cragx Crawl this Saturday (more trail than fell) or Mount Famine next weekend (definitely fell)??
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 11, 2017, 10:14:43 am
I'm looking forward to Totley Moor. It looks as though the course is longer (and better) than in previous years. Been enjoying running up there recently, though a bit worried about how to warm up properly so as not to fill my legs with lactic on Moss rd!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on May 11, 2017, 10:53:43 am
I was sweeper on Totley Moor last year T_B, it's a better route this year though enforced on the basis of environmental sensitivities. Marcus (the RO from Totley AC) has done a good job of rerouting though the climb on the track after Moss Road gate isn't that technical compared to the previous one. Think he's added a second sting in the tail too at the end. Should be good.

I'm hoping to do cragx on Saturday too, very much depends on how my legs feel as have had a busy week getting ready for Great North Swim 5km in a month. If not I'll definitely be aiming for the summer classics like Castleton and Bradwell.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on May 15, 2017, 08:48:19 pm
To be fair, was mildly disappointed not to do cragx at the weekend. Despite turning up just shy of an hour before the start the race had already sold out the 150 entry limit. You snooze.....you loose. Was nice to run the route widdershins (new word learnt over the weekend!) and watch and support all the runners doing the race.

What I did find strange is that they openly said you were fine to run with the race but with no numbers. So if the limit is 150 for insurance purposes (claimed reason for the limit) surely saying you can run but with no number opens an entirely different can of worms surely??? I've seen people named, shamed and banned from FRA races for doing such things in the past. Thoughts?

As part of my yearning to go longer this year, I've signed up for the Half Tour of Bradwell in August. At 16 mile this will certainly be the longest race yet undertaken and looking forward to it (he says!). Anyone done this?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 17, 2017, 11:03:47 am
Does anybody have an opinion on whether hill reps on the bike (particularly standing on the pedals at a medium cadence) would have much transfer? Coming back from some inflammation of the knees and conscious that my main race goals are coming up over summer. Time out in the hills is a bit tricky at the moment and a lot of stair rep sessions probably contributed to the inflammation issues. Looking for an action plan before Wasdale basically! Not doing another Langdale off the couch style affair!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 17, 2017, 01:11:17 pm
I'm no expert, but if it gets your legs pumping and you breathing out your arse it must do some good, and a whole lot better than doing nowt.

I seem to remember DT saying earlier in this thread they would help?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on May 17, 2017, 01:25:55 pm
Does anybody have an opinion on whether hill reps on the bike (particularly standing on the pedals at a medium cadence) would have much transfer? Coming back from some inflammation of the knees and conscious that my main race goals are coming up over summer. Time out in the hills is a bit tricky at the moment and a lot of stair rep sessions probably contributed to the inflammation issues. Looking for an action plan before Wasdale basically! Not doing another Langdale off the couch style affair!

Definitely better than doing nothing but you'll need the time on your feet to get used to the impact and rough ground over 21 miles. Maybe do the cycling for a couple more weeks until the end of the month then try and get some solid days out in the Lakes in June?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 17, 2017, 02:13:19 pm
Hey Tom, just a thought, but maybe bin Wasdale off?! My mate ran last year and came 43rd in 5 hours 48 mins. From talking to him it sounded well nails. It's almost double the ascent (and crucially for your knees, descent) of Langdale.

I've decided to reign in my ambitions a little for this year (mainly due to scare with my ankle and thinking long term). I've since focussed in on improving my running with a view to running faster in more local-based races, or more runnable longer races which are less brutal on the joints. Holme Moss and Exterminator are now my two main goals for the year (and I have times in mind  ;)). OK, so they're not the Lakeland ALs but for yourself that type of terrain is perhaps less risky and more doable semi off the couch?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on May 17, 2017, 02:16:23 pm
I'm looking forward to Totley Moor. It looks as though the course is longer (and better) than in previous years. Been enjoying running up there recently, though a bit worried about how to warm up properly so as not to fill my legs with lactic on Moss rd!
I'll be at Totley Moor as well, I'll come and say hello if I see you. Looking forward to trying the new route, but a shame I can't compare back to last year's time. I remember the original sting in the tail being tough last year, so will feel even harder after doing the climb up from the stepping stones.

As part of my yearning to go longer this year, I've signed up for the Half Tour of Bradwell in August. At 16 mile this will certainly be the longest race yet undertaken and looking forward to it (he says!). Anyone done this?
I'm thinking about doing this, although haven't entered yet. We ran the second half of the route from Hope to Bradwell a few weekends ago, but made an error on Win Hill as we dropped down to Ladybower too late. I'll be recceing the full route at some point in the next month or two if you fancy meeting up.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 17, 2017, 02:26:54 pm
I'm looking forward to Totley Moor. It looks as though the course is longer (and better) than in previous years. Been enjoying running up there recently, though a bit worried about how to warm up properly so as not to fill my legs with lactic on Moss rd!
I'll be at Totley Moor as well, I'll come and say hello if I see you. Looking forward to trying the new route, but a shame I can't compare back to last year's time. I remember the original sting in the tail being tough last year, so will feel even harder after doing the climb up from the stepping stones.


I reckon I'm going to find it quite tough to pace, as it'll be easy to go off too fast and the downhills are really fast, especially down to the stepping stones from where you still have a lot to do. Looking forward to it - see you there!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 17, 2017, 02:40:59 pm
Thanks all. Tom, that thought has been crossing my mind but I'm perhaps foolishly of the state of mind that I'd sooner lose all my cartilage than drop out. Head down for now and see what the day brings.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: webbo on May 18, 2017, 10:33:05 am
Does anybody have an opinion on whether hill reps on the bike (particularly standing on the pedals at a medium cadence) would have much transfer? Coming back from some inflammation of the knees and conscious that my main race goals are coming up over summer. Time out in the hills is a bit tricky at the moment and a lot of stair rep sessions probably contributed to the inflammation issues. Looking for an action plan before Wasdale basically! Not doing another Langdale off the couch style affair!
It will improve your overall fitness but it won't be specific enough to feel like it done you any good when trying to run uphill.
Despite all the Cycling I do, I get out of breath walking up hill and to my embarrassment walking up 4 flights of stairs at work.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 18, 2017, 10:42:33 am
I hear where you're coming from webbo although I must admit a lot of time on the bike last year did help with climbing. Just appeared to do little in the way on the descents. No shortcuts I suppose!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on May 22, 2017, 02:59:27 pm
Word to the mortal: if anyone ever suggests doing the Old County Tops, best advice is to pretend you have hearing difficulties, mumble something and walk away. Proper athletes would be fine.

What a beast - about 35 miles and 10,000' - linking Helvellyn, Scafell and Coniston Old Man. Hadn't appreciated how much boggy, rough ground there'd be and the weather was grim for a good few hours. Had a bad day and we limped in not far off DFL, minus the 30% drop-outs. This was meant to be a marker for a kind of on-sight BGR in 3 weeks but it just tells me I'm too far off and I'm shifting to supporting a mate. I don't want to wreck his chances (we did the OCT as a pair). Feeling a little sad now.

In other news, another guy I know finished his Bob this weekend in 23:59:47. How close is that!?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on May 23, 2017, 04:24:27 pm
Great effort Steve!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on May 24, 2017, 08:14:14 am
I'm looking for suggestions again. I'm doing a training course in kendal today. Tool the train, so I need something accessible (I could take the train towards windermere or something). Around 10km, doesn't need to be as big as the last one....

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on May 24, 2017, 09:10:30 am
Cunswick Fell and Scout Scar would probably fit the bill. You can run it from the centre of Kendal.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 24, 2017, 10:06:44 am
Word to the mortal: if anyone ever suggests doing the Old County Tops, best advice is to pretend you have hearing difficulties, mumble something and walk away. Proper athletes would be fine.

What a beast - about 35 miles and 10,000' - linking Helvellyn, Scafell and Coniston Old Man. Hadn't appreciated how much boggy, rough ground there'd be and the weather was grim for a good few hours. Had a bad day and we limped in not far off DFL, minus the 30% drop-outs. This was meant to be a marker for a kind of on-sight BGR in 3 weeks but it just tells me I'm too far off and I'm shifting to supporting a mate. I don't want to wreck his chances (we did the OCT as a pair). Feeling a little sad now.

In other news, another guy I know finished his Bob this weekend in 23:59:47. How close is that!?

Awesome effort Steve! I'd love to do the OCT some time and I've only ever heard great things about it! Rest well!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on May 24, 2017, 07:06:39 pm
Cunswick Fell and Scout Scar would probably fit the bill. You can run it from the centre of Kendal.
Again, thanks for coming up with the goods I'm shirt time! It was hot up there today and I really struggled, but good to make the most of a day away.

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Mr_Cus on June 05, 2017, 08:00:57 pm
Anyone doing Calver on Wednesday evening?

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 06, 2017, 09:26:06 am
Article in Avaunt about Joss Naylor this month:

https://www.avauntmagazine.com/adventure/joss-naylor

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on June 07, 2017, 04:39:44 pm
Anyone doing Calver on Wednesday evening?

Yep, I'll be heading over later on. Not done this one before, normally too far to travel to get to the start in time after work, but gonna make the effort tonight. Look out for a yellow and green Staffordshire Moorlands vest if you see this before the race Mr Cus.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Mr_Cus on June 08, 2017, 09:58:50 am
Only just seen your reply.  I think i was running just behind a lady in a staffordshire moorlands vest on the way up the first hill. 

It was a good race, found it tough going though.  Ended up finishing in about 40.5minutes.

That top hill just before the decent destroys me everytime!

How did you get on?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on June 08, 2017, 06:33:48 pm
That would have been Mrs Lemmy, who was chuffed to take the V40 ladies win (and beer for us!!!). I finished just under 36 mins in 26th place. Must say, it was tougher than I expected for a B class race and agree about the last big climb, seems to go on forever! At least the last half is all down hill, defo pick up some lick down there. Enjoyed it!

Passing Clouds this Sunday if you or anyone else is interested, good route taking in Ramshaw, The Roaches and Hen Cloud - one for the east-siders!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on June 08, 2017, 10:34:09 pm
As a wee small plug for another local race. 1st of July is the second running of the Warslow Beer Festival fell race. I didn't get chance to race it last year, but I have run th course, and I can say that it is probably the toughest AS race in the Peak with over 500m of ascent - fair to say there is little or no flat running! Oh, and it's a great appetiser for a few beverages afterwards! Unfortunately it is online entry only (a bit of a bug bear of mine) so if you fancy it, get your name on the list - tis good!

HERE (https://www.flickr.com/gp/32044606@N03/xK46iM) are a few pics I got from last year to give you a flavour for the race at least.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 19, 2017, 02:40:18 pm
Great Lakes Run - race report

I'd read it described as "The Jura of the Lakes". 21k / 2130m of ascent. When an opportunity presented itself a week ago, I immediately took the chance to try another Lakeland AL. I'd already read about this race and an occasional fell-running mate of mine had done it last year. Off the back of a reasonably big day out in Snowdonia a couple of weeks before and consistent running through May, I decided it was going to be doable. Ed advised "just walk the first half to Scafell as there's good running to be had in the second half". This plan went to sh*t when Race Director, Ben, announced on the start line that the cut off at Scafell Pike was 1245 i.e. 1hr45mins into the race! Oh sh*t. So, without having the gumption to put up my hand and say what I was thinking ("that seems a bit frickin harsh.. does he need to be somewhere?") I set off up The Band to Bowfell much faster than planned, chuntering as I went.

It was hot, and I was going to take the tourist path to the summit on the first of the optional routes, but then I actually used my brain and took the ridge, hoping to get more of a breeze. Indeed, a gentle breeze took the edge off an otherwise cloudless day. At Bowfell I confirmed the cut-off was in fact 1345. Time to re-group and trot down to Esk Pike, over that one and onwards to Great End. Another marra, Jonny, had warned me that even in good vis navigation on this course was tricky. I'd done my homework and had a list of key bearings. I actually got my compass out for the first time on Great End when I saw someone else drift off too far right. I kept it out and an enjoyable feature of such a small field (Great Lakes aint popular on the best of days, the day after a Brit/English Champs race saw just 53 runners start) was having to navigate, as the field became very spread out.

The first tricky bit was coming off Scafell Pike and in the event I got a slightly wrong line into C5 at the base of the scramble to Foxes Tarn. I had to empty my shoes of stones just before the summit of Scafell, losing a precious minute or so. At the top I'd remembered to follow the ridge for 300m before dropping off to the fastest section of the course. The 10 minutes or so running down to Slight Side was pure joy. On the Harvey Map you are warned to avoid the direct descent off Slight side, via Horn Crag. Stuff that, I'm a climber FFS. I felt my way down as a gully turned into steeper and steeper heathery ledges with a sizeable drop below. There was some evidence that others had been that way, but I wasn't 100% sure I was on the right line. This is the Lakes and you forget that on these fell races, the scale is BIG. Anyway, I slowed it down and carefully picked my way around and down before I could scree run to another pit stop (must get some gaiters) and to check out the Sampson stones (not really).

Now for the crossing of Great Moss! I felt reasonable running down into the valley, but the legs started to feel tired as I hit the soggy stuff. After crossing the River Esk on the bend, I followed a bearing again as others ahead were going in a direction I didn't think was optimal. Folk who'd passed me on Scafell now came past again, having not taken the direct route off Slight side. Again, an enjoyable feature of the race was how much route finding made a difference to speed. I had decided to climb very directly out of the base of Lingcove Beck, rather than follow a more diagonal, traversing line further south that most people seemed to be taking.  It was steep. I moved slowly. My watch beeped near the top to signal the last Km took 28 minutes! At the top I kept heading due east until things eventually flattened out and I picked up the path that you take on the Langdale Horseshoe, down to the base of Pike O'Blisco. I'm not sure whether direct was faster, what I was sure of was that my legs had now gone.

I crawled up Blisco, a finish time of sub 4hrs30mins slipping away. From the top of Blisco I made my first real error, heading a bit too far south off the summit before doubling back round for the big descent. After some more tricky ground it was just a case of sucking up the pain in your quads. Eventually it was steep enough to bum slide a bit, finally I was at the bottom and crawling up the final incline to the finish at the farm. A new level of knackeredness? Probably. Baking hot back at the farm, a full-immersion dip in the river was pure bliss. Would I recommend this race? Most definitely. Would I have got round in bad weather? Hmm.

My finish time was 4:38:47 despite going off too fast and paying the price later on. Though I would probably have been just as goosed later on anyway. I was chuffed with 31st out of 53 starters, as that's technically the first time I can really say I've finished 'mid pack' in a race. A big thanks to the organisers and the marshals, who nearly outnumbered the runners!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 20, 2017, 09:57:56 pm
As a wee small plug for another local race. 1st of July is the second running of the Warslow Beer Festival fell race. I didn't get chance to race it last year, but I have run th course, and I can say that it is probably the toughest AS race in the Peak with over 500m of ascent - fair to say there is little or no flat running! Oh, and it's a great appetiser for a few beverages afterwards! Unfortunately it is online entry only (a bit of a bug bear of mine) so if you fancy it, get your name on the list - tis good!

HERE (https://www.flickr.com/gp/32044606@N03/xK46iM) are a few pics I got from last year to give you a flavour for the race at least.

This sounds like a brilliant family day out Martin. I'm planning to come over en famille and with some other friends from Sheffield  :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on June 21, 2017, 10:21:20 am
Good write up Tom. Sounds like a monster of a race!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Oldmanmatt on June 25, 2017, 09:37:00 am
So, next weekend I'm running the Fan Dance. I've been training hard. Torn an MCL had to stop, developed arthritis in my right foot had to stop.
Got my time down to 3:46 min for the 24k (780mtr climb), carrying 35lbs + food and 4 ltrs of water and was feeling good about my times etc.

I avoided looking at the league tables, but finally succumbed to temptation.

Bugger me, some of these old gits are good! And this is just the over 45's!
(For ref. The SF selection cut off is 4 hrs).

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 27, 2017, 03:37:27 pm
Great write up Tom and well done! Sounds like one for next year!

Has anybody entered Wasdale this year? I'm going to treat it as a long slow day out (subject to cutoffs) and make a weekend of it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on June 27, 2017, 05:42:55 pm
Late shout but anyone vaguely NW is welcome to come along to our club race tomorrow - Robbie Webster Wobbler on Frodsham Hill - https://helsbyrunningclub.wordpress.com/robbie-websters-wobbler No big hills but enough little sharp ones to leave you feeling obliged to come back battered. And cake.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 28, 2017, 09:41:05 am
That looks a quality local race Steve and I'd have been there like a shot were it not for existing commitments - best of luck with it! Also reminds me to get back on the Frodsham hill rep scene.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: mini on June 28, 2017, 08:44:36 pm

This sounds like a brilliant family day out Martin. I'm planning to come over en famille and with some other friends from Sheffield  :2thumbsup:

Nice one Tom, hopefully see you there. I'll be in my club vest of yellow with a green stripe saying Moorlands on it, say hi if you spot me (not sure how many of my fellow club runners will be there so it may be a lottery!!).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on June 29, 2017, 11:26:10 am
Article on BBC Sport about Annie Conway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/40399348
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on June 30, 2017, 05:47:51 pm
Thought I'd pop on and comment about my Lakes 10 Peaks race at the weekend. At just over 32 miles and 12k ft of ascent it was less a run (for me anyway) and more of a long slow plod with occasional jogging on the bits that weren't too steep and rocky. The weather was interesting - 40mph winds, occasional showers and virtually zero visibility - but probably preferable to the heat we'd had the previous weekend.

Training for it had gone relatively well, in that I'd spent a lot of time recce'ing the course and doing long days out on the hill. It did me a lot of good for the race as I didn't have to faff about too much with my map but I was a bit complacent getting onto and off Great End in the fog and almost started descending down towards Sprinking Tarn in error. Turns out bearings are important! I ran where I could but was suffering from sore knees from the descent off High Raise and I struggled to run on anything vaguely steep downhill. The fact that there's no easy escape route without going all the way to Honister (or dropping into a different valley then getting a very expensive taxi!) was probably the only thing that kept me going through the pain. Of course, once you get to Honister there's only Dale Head to go and then it's flat back to Keswick so there's no way I'd have dropped out there!

High point was a beautiful view out to Ullswater from the top of Helvellyn, with rays of light illuminating the fells, while I was still feeling fresh and energetic. Low point was probably the slog up to Great Gable - climbing, cairn to cairn, for what felt like an eternity through the rain and the wind and the clag. Either that or the interminable bog soaked trudge up Wythburn whilst being eaten alive by midges!

Since I'd never done anything like this before (in terms of distance and climb) and I'd been suffering a bit with shin splints in the weeks leading up to it my only aim was to get round in daylight (about 17 hours) and to beat my boyfriend's dad (who, to be fair, is 70). As it happened I got round in 14:25 and ended up 6th out of the women, and 37th overall (and beat Andy's dad)! Maybe my specialist skill is long slow enduro plodding? Though I think the weather also played to my strengths - it meant the recces I'd done were more valuable and I only needed to get my map out 2-3 times. I reckon if my knees hadn't been giving me so much grief I could've knocked an hour off that time, by being able to run more and by not spending 25 mins sitting down at Honister feeling like I might cry or be sick.

Anyway, it was a cracking day out and my knees are starting to forgive me after a week of rest and gentle movement. Very well organised, lovely views (I'm led to believe) and a nice medal and t-shirt at the finish. Not sure I'd rush back to do it again but it was an experience I won't forget anyway.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 30, 2017, 08:49:35 pm
Thanks for the write up Julie, v interesting to read and good effort! I'm pretty keen to try something like this next year, though maybe Old County Tops or Welsh 3K. Good knowledge on all the recceing, definitely taking that on board.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JulieM on July 02, 2017, 11:57:03 am
I had some friends doing V3K the same day and they seemed to have a great time, despite the vegan part of the race. Similar length and height gain to the Lakes 10 Peaks but I've no idea how they compare otherwise.

I enjoyed your Great Lakes Run write up above, especially the confusion over the timing cut offs  :lol: Sounds like a great day out and it must have been seriously tough in that heat. I was out around Dale Head/Newlands Valley that day and it was absolutely baking! I ended up turning my run into a walk and going paddling in Derwentwater instead.

I agree about how route finding makes things more enjoyable, especially when you get a better line, but it works the other way too - I was gutted to see a guy I'd been very close to at Angle Tarn coming down from the Bowfell Summit as I approached it, me having taken the BG trod and him going via Ore Gap. I blame the fact that I stopped twice to try to empty my shoes of Wythburn gravel (I also need to get gaitors!) and I stopped at the top to put a layer on, plus the nav from Ore Gap is loads easier as you just follow the path/cairns.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on July 02, 2017, 05:30:43 pm
Top work Julie, good read. Not sure on the value of recceing- I did the Old County Tops this year and might not have gone back if I'd known how grim that trudge up Wythburn was! Looks like the 2 routes might share that stretch :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Oldmanmatt on July 02, 2017, 08:15:03 pm
As I'm knackered from run, followed by 3hr drive home, my write up will be somewhat less eloquent...

Running with 35lbs of pack fucking hurts.

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Incredibly iconic to many, just an empty shell now, but back in the day, the kit list included "spare change". The start and finish of the Fan Dance.

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Deja-bloody-vue..

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Hit the summit of the Fan in 56minutes and felt really strong.

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Made the turn around at the railway station in 2hrs and five (cut off was 3hrs, after that the Directing staff pull you, failed), managed the long drag back to Windy gap in 3:15hrs and then hit the Jacobs Ladder.

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I'd genuinely forgotten what a Bitch it is. Coming at km 19 after the long drag it floored me. Not a single runner managed to run it today, either load bearing or Clean Fatigue. No wind, 30*C, Pounding sun. It had me down taking 30paces and then pause for four breaths etc.

I hit the summit at exactly 4hrs, so that would have been me failed for selection. Ran like buggery from there down the steep descent and now have blackened and bleeding nails on both feet. I beat out a large portion of the field, but the best of the day had me by 50minutes. I even beat many Clean Fatigue runners back, which was quite a shock.

The kids had run up and escorted me down the last 200mtrs and I finished in 4hrs 44minutes. Frankly it would have been longer, but for the kids, cos I was about to break into a walk for the last km (absolutely shagged) until I heard "There's Daddy!"

Apparently a pass, for my age group. Beaten back by a 62 year old, which sucks...

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on July 03, 2017, 02:57:30 pm
Solid efforts Julie and Matt! Good to see both of your respective training efforts clearly paying off!

As an aside; I think it's well worth getting to grips with the navigation function if you have a watch such as the Suunto Ambit or similar. I've pre drawn race routes and afternoon out routes on it and learnt how to operate the watch to a competent level.

Whilst I don't rely on it for navigation I have it continually running in view and can quickly cross check whether I'm veering from my line or not. If importing a GPX track of another person, I spend some time cross referencing their actual line with that of the official race route. I might then redraw the whole course or accept that the original import is accurate enough. Dark Peak have a whole library of past tracks here: http://www.dpfr.org.uk/tracks/index

The 10 figure grid reference function is also a good one.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Oldmanmatt on July 05, 2017, 08:32:14 am
So, results released today, I placed 16th in my category on the day. By my estimation it puts me at about 118 on the league table.
But, look at number 1! By God, I'd been disappointed to think I was 50 minutes behind him, not 1:26!

I know I can do better. My tactics were too conservative and my access to water too complicated, I could save ten minutes just on water/rehydration admin. My pack was 5lbs heavier than required and I didn't think it made a difference, until I hit Jacobs ladder.

Looks like my "one off" might not be...

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on July 14, 2017, 10:32:48 am
Anybody entering Kentmere on Sunday? I'm toying with doing it and camping over in Ambleside area Saturday night.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on July 14, 2017, 12:10:19 pm
Nope. My next race is a week on Sunday and I'm bl**dy injured  :boohoo:  :'(

Enjoy Kentmere if you get up there, weather looks as though it could be OK for Sunday.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on July 14, 2017, 02:03:01 pm
Dang! Sorry to hear that Tom. You've been going well! Hopefully nothing too serious and you're back in action asap!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: bigtuboflard on August 01, 2017, 09:41:30 pm
Delayed Burbage Skyline tonight, good turn out as always. Not done it for a couple of years and as it's been moved to August this year I found it pretty tough as lots move undergrowth to negotiate at the start and the drop off Higgar Tor has got lots of felled tree cuttings on it near the bottom now. Plus the deluge of rain today made the course really muddy in parts. Great fun though I was 7 or 8 minutes off my PB, a lifetime but excusable if nothing else as still recovering from major rib damage four weeks ago.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 02, 2017, 10:23:46 am
Delayed Burbage Skyline tonight, good turn out as always. Not done it for a couple of years and as it's been moved to August this year I found it pretty tough as lots move undergrowth to negotiate at the start and the drop off Higgar Tor has got lots of felled tree cuttings on it near the bottom now. Plus the deluge of rain today made the course really muddy in parts. Great fun though I was 7 or 8 minutes off my PB, a lifetime but excusable if nothing else as still recovering from major rib damage four weeks ago.
Same for me. I got a bit lost in the felled trees as well - managed to draw blood in a few places, but somehow stayed on my feet all the way round. The start was mayhem as all the tracks were hidden in the bracken, but I made it to the river in the top 10 after one of the Dark Peak runners took a load of people the wrong way down to the Green Drive (the advantages of recce'ing the start as part of my warm-up). Spent the next 2 miles with all the fast guys squeezing past me on really narrow trods then just tried to hang on! Had a battle down the last 200m of the Green Drive with a guy from Porter Valley having swapped places with him all the way round. Great fun and looking forward to doing a few more of the evening races before the summer's gone - anyone doing Barrel Inn?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 02, 2017, 12:08:53 pm
Good work Peak squad! Sounds like a great summer tussle!

Appreciate it's a fair way away for many but it's Arenig Fawr this Sunday. I'm hoping to make it across but 50/50 at the moment. Such a great course and the gully scramble near the start is awesome.

http://yiannistridimas.webs.com/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on August 02, 2017, 01:32:01 pm
Burbage Skyline was great fun, the bogs, streams and fallen trees were, errr interesting. I really struggled on the slippery bracken covered single tracks and descent off Higgar Tor.  Salt Cellar on Friday, another good peak race.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 29, 2017, 11:25:39 am
Decided to give the cross country season a go this coming winter to try to build some speed for next Spring fell races. I can see there are a handful of fixtures at the link below but is there a comprehensive fixture listing online anywhere (principally for NW races)?

http://www.wirralac.co.uk/20172018-road-and-cross-country-fixtures/

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 29, 2017, 01:16:41 pm
They tend to be League based, you've got the L&D Saturday's - here's the 'Sunday League' to add to your list:

29 October - Clarke Gardens Liverpool - hosted by Penny Lane
12 November - Beacon Park Skem - hosted by Skem/Parbold
10 December - Arrowe Park Wirral - hosted by Pensby
14 January - Runcorn Town Park - hosted by Warrington RR
28 January - Otterspool Causeway Liverpool - Hosted by Liverpool RC
25 February - Birchwood Forest park - hosted by Spectrum

All good, Arrowe Park a bit dull. Beacon best/most fell-y. You can run these as a guest. I think with L&D they ask you not to take a token so you don't mess up club-based champs. Best check.

Further afield you could search for Red Rose and Mid Lancs.

Northern Champs is always great - massive field and real quality at the front. Always good to get lapped by a Brownlee. Sefton Park Euro trials likewise, Oct/Nov.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: wintermute on August 29, 2017, 01:21:41 pm
Tom, it's well worth joining another club as '1st claim other' for XC races as Bowland is fell only.
I run road/XC/track for Blackburn which costs a tenner a year as a 2nd claim member (but as above is actually 1st claim for these disciplines) which includes free entry into all the Red Rose and Mid Lancs fixtures, so it quickly pays for itself.
Have a look at your local clubs and see if they do anything similar.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 29, 2017, 02:07:42 pm
Thanks guys. I'll get those fixtures in the diary now Steve and try to commit to as many as I can. I was born at Arrowe Park hospital and am from Upton originally. A home turf race I should do! Did it a few times as a youth when my teacher tried to rope me in to 6am Saturday starts all the time. Didn't last long but wish I would have carried on with it now.

I saw you were running for Blackburn as 2nd claim Chris. It makes sense for me to join Liverpool Harriers as my second since they're about 500 metres away and have a newly resurfaced track to train on midweek. Really getting keen to amp things up for next season. Hopefully see you both soon.  :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on August 29, 2017, 02:17:15 pm
Really getting keen to amp things up for next season. Hopefully see you both soon.  :)

Have you sorted out your injuries then Tom? I saw that you are back into some proper training.

I need to sort out my hamstring/hip flexor as it's just going to be a recurring issue. I'm doing Totley Exterminator on Sunday, but I've accepted it may well be a dismal performance!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 29, 2017, 02:40:25 pm
I've a few ongoing niggles from knee stiffness and disc damage Tom but nothing that can't be managed with some conditioning in between training days. Just had a great chat with a coach at the Harriers and they're keen for me to come join some of their track and cross country sessions. Just need a bit of an experienced eye to help I think. How are you getting on beast? Saw you've been doing a fair bit abroad, nice work!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on August 29, 2017, 02:54:05 pm
Sounds good.

Yeah been away but hopefully not lost too much. Keen to get back to something consistent and sort out niggles.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on September 01, 2017, 11:09:15 am
Some of this feed is just pure adverts but the helicopter footage when it's on is jawdropping...

http://utmbmontblanc.com/en/live/ccc
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 01, 2017, 11:46:39 am
My mate Richard Bannister is doing it (running under "Georgia" nationality, don't ask) number 786. He completed 2 years ago, but had a DNF on the UTMR last year due to heat exhaustion. Weather is not great apparently.

Just insane and nothing like fell running.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on September 01, 2017, 01:32:13 pm
Totally nuts - nearly fell off my chair when a lad I used to climb with (Lawrence Eccles 3186) came through an aid station in 63rd! Haven't seen him for years!!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 01, 2017, 02:41:28 pm
Lawrence Eccles has been doing really well, don't really know him but see him around a lot. They were 2nd on the Old County Tops after Jebby :'(
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 02, 2017, 09:10:20 am
Lawrence is a strong runner Si and runs for Penny Lane Striders. He's on Strava if you wanted to see what he's up to/say hello.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: cheque on September 02, 2017, 09:55:08 am
Penny Lane Striders.

If there was a scouse running club in a Simpsons episode, this is what they'd be called.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 04, 2017, 05:09:13 pm
My mate Richard Bannister is doing it (running under "Georgia" nationality, don't ask) number 786. He completed 2 years ago, but had a DNF on the UTMR last year due to heat exhaustion. Weather is not great apparently.

Just insane and nothing like fell running.

Sorry, he completed shorter version 2 years ago, did the full bifta this time - 167.5 in 39:41. I think the winner was about half that!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 08, 2017, 01:57:03 pm
XCers - I bought a pair of Adidas XCS shoes on offer. Having ordered two pairs, one size 11 and one size 11.5, my right foot which is slightly bigger than the left feels ever so slightly snug in the size 11 and slightly roomy in the 11.5. They seem to be an asymmetrical last (bit like V10 laceups) and I wondered what the likelihood of these sort of shoes stretching is?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 08, 2017, 02:37:46 pm
No clue I'm afraid, but a small anecdote: the only time I've ever beaten my friend Fast Ian was when he lost his new spikes 6 times in the mud at the Cheshires.

Vaguely thinking of doing Langdale next month as a 'get round' race, having been on tickover fitness for a bit - what did you reckon to it Tom?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 08, 2017, 02:44:52 pm
I'll go with the smaller pair then Steve! Good shout.

It'll definitely help if you can recce Langdale. Given that you've been ticking over nicely for a while, I'm sure you'll get round without any issues. I did it after several months of no running and simply cycling alone. Terrible decision but was fortunately blessed with immaculate conditions that made it enjoyable. Order one of the Pete Bland maps if you can too Steve, annotate bearings and laminate a copy of it. I might do it if I can but have a good pal's wedding the night before.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 13, 2017, 06:54:01 pm
Is anyone else doing Ring of Steall on Saturday or am i the only idiot. I suspect running will not feature throughout. I went a bit hard on descents last Wednesday and the knee protested.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on September 13, 2017, 10:38:54 pm
Nope, but good luck! 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on September 13, 2017, 10:48:23 pm
Hey Chris, I'm not but I'll be up there for the skyline the following day (FML, I don't know how it came to this, what have I done etc). Good luck for Ring of Steall! What kind of time are you expecting yourself to come in? We might arrive in time to watch you cross finish line! What number should we look for?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 14, 2017, 11:36:57 pm
Hi, I'm 173. Given the weather I'll likely be in a blue jacket, yellow hat. Look for lanky. Finish wise not a clue, never done anything similar; 5.5 hours if I'm lucky? Weather is looking marginal I really hope they don't shorten course. We will probably head down glencoe on the way home, but unlikely to see the finish. On he off chance, what is your number? Good luck, like to hear about it. You be around Kinlochleven Sat night? If you see a red vw camper with roof bed and can hear sobbing coming from it it's probably me. And good luck too!!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on September 15, 2017, 08:21:28 am
Great, I'll look out for you if we get there in time. I'm 192. You'll recognise me from my curly hair, wheezing, and lolling gait.
I'll look out for you. Which forecasst you looking at which looks marginal?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 15, 2017, 09:55:38 am
http://www.mwis.org.uk/scottish-forecast.asp?fa=WH&d=2017-09-16

Lots of swithering over clothing at the moment!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 15, 2017, 10:31:03 am
http://www.mwis.org.uk/scottish-forecast.asp?fa=WH&d=2017-09-16

Lots of swithering over clothing at the moment!

Good luck guys! Hope you have an awesome run and look forward to the reports.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 15, 2017, 05:14:46 pm
My mate Richard Bannister is doing it (running under "Georgia" nationality, don't ask) number 786. He completed 2 years ago, but had a DNF on the UTMR last year due to heat exhaustion. Weather is not great apparently.

Just insane and nothing like fell running.

http://runningfromthedog.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/a-lap-of-mont-blanc.html

His blog if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on September 17, 2017, 05:18:10 pm
Well done Chris, how are the legs feeling today?  Looking through the results I see a few familiar names - Es Tressider had a good one being first brit and 6th overall (another climber) and my mate Colin from Chamonix came in 14th which he'll be chuffed with.

Why do they have the skyrace and skyline on consecutive days?  You'd think some folks would like to do both?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 17, 2017, 10:54:10 pm
Don't recall ever being this fucked in my life before. Was on the go for 7.5 hours! Seriously underestimated the undertaking; how steep the ascents would be and how the final descent was a complete mud bath. Only really ran devils ridge, descent into glen nevis and to road end at steall. Second ridge was too technical and rocky for me to move fast and last descent was what can only be described as gravity induced downhill mincing through a quagmire. Stunning scenery, mixed weather, great friendly surprisingly international field
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on September 18, 2017, 11:23:13 am
Well done Chris! The terrain is savage up here! Shame I didn't catch you, had too much to do with registering etc to look out for you. How are the legs feeling today?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on September 18, 2017, 11:37:45 am
Well done Andy - big day! I was following you and some other folk I know via the Live Tracker - looks like you had a strong finish/were quick over Aonach Eagach. Congrats!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 18, 2017, 11:54:46 am
Well done Chris! The terrain is savage up here! Shame I didn't catch you, had too much to do with registering etc to look out for you. How are the legs feeling today?

Well done yourself great effort! I took some photos at the start you may be able to pick yourself out. I'm completely in bits today, took ages to drive home yesterday, legs were cramping up.

Loads of people not happy about the cutoff for the Ben Nevis Ultra though, apparently course was really boggy and slow for most of it, well over half the field didn't make the cutoff.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 18, 2017, 12:20:17 pm
Well done both! Sounds like a proper day out!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 18, 2017, 12:28:00 pm
Big days. Best tip I had was from a mate who had done the Lairig Ghru race last year was to take something solid and substantial that will sit in your stomach, so you won't feel hungry with all these gels and flapjacks and bananas, and something you really like eating. Mini pork pies were perfect for this. Had one just after the river crossing at Steall Falls when i was pissed off and wet, and one just before final descent along with a caffeinated SIS gel.

Plus side; feet feel fine, no blisters, no pain, just slightly sore toenails on second to smallest toes. Otherwise i ache from calves to waist.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on September 18, 2017, 02:31:52 pm
Cheers all of you!

Well done Andy - big day! I was following you and some other folk I know via the Live Tracker - looks like you had a strong finish/were quick over Aonach Eagach. Congrats!

Thanks Tom! Yeah I was a bit worried about having enough in my legs to make it up to the top of Aonach Eagach so I didn't want to push it until I was there. I had a great time on the ridge, it suits a climber obviously. And the sun came out!

Chris - glad your feet are okay. Small mercies etc
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on September 18, 2017, 03:30:38 pm
Great effort both of you, big days out.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on December 21, 2017, 11:39:48 am
For those who are FRA members, you should have just received this quarter's copy through the letterbox.

There's a good piece about Bill Smith within and some information about the Studmarks project that is still underway. We've now digitised and proof read all of the copy; currently working on image permissions and map information.

Pleasingly, Joss Naylor is aware of the project and is eager to offer a foreword. Let's hope we can get it on to Kickstarter in 2018!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on January 16, 2018, 11:39:59 am
http://www.skylinescotland.com/

Entry is now open, if anyone else is keen to join Team UKB for the RoS (currently 2 members) or any of the others. RoS is unvetted, so pretty much anyone can have a go.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on January 18, 2018, 09:23:07 pm
Could be tempted. Good first race...ever?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on January 19, 2018, 10:23:48 am
I'd not run anything further than half marathon before, but for something like this long days out on the hills on foot either walking, running or a mix does you in better stead than any running fitness. I think i ran about 30% of the course and walked the rest either due to too steep or too knackered. I personally loved the day out in spite of it nearly breaking me.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on January 19, 2018, 10:37:51 am
Could be tempted. Good first race...ever?

Or you could do some of the shorter/medium fell races, get out and learn how to navigate (if you don't already know how to)... then enter one of the 'easier' classic long fell races. Similar distance/amount of climbing for 20% of the cost. I get the £99 entrance fee for the Glen Coe Skyline given the distance/number of marshals required (e.g. for Curved Ridge), but £79 for the RoS is a lot of money for a 29k race (maybe it's helping to subsidize the Skyline?). I guess you get a free T-shirt.

In comparison the V3K (58km/4000m over terrain including Crib Goch) is £65.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on January 19, 2018, 10:56:12 am
Yeah, it's not cheap, i reckon the marshalling costs are spread around for the Ultra too. But it does have to cater for the LCD, is heavily marshalled, and has safety personnel in place at the potentially risky sections.

But as Tom says, there are plenty of low profile races you can do http://www.scottishhillracing.co.uk/Races.aspx for a fraction of the price.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on January 29, 2018, 01:05:46 pm
First fell race of the year for me y'day with the Tigger Tor. Quite a few UKBers out there by the looks of the score sheet. I didn't run last year as I didn't think I was fit enough, so pretty pleased to get round yesterday in my anticipated time. Even running down Long Line didn't feel too horrendous, though I admit I had to walk that slight incline into the finishing field ;).

Anniversary Waltz/TWA entries opened at the w/e. Anyone going? I've got a team heading up as we did last year (when we all did the Coledale Horseshoe) for a running/climbing w/e. I recced most of TWA in the autumn, but have entered AW as I would like not to get timed out at Newland's Hause (probably would make it) and to climb in the afternoon!

Next local race for me is probably Hope Winter, then Wolf's Pit. I've joined Totley with the aim of doing some proper training/learning how to run  ;) 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 29, 2018, 01:24:31 pm
Good work Tom and co! Seems like a popular one for you Sheffield-based folk. Also sounds like it was pleasurable to get round so your winter training must have paid off!

I'd planned a big attack on the XC scene this winter but have instead spent the entirety of it trying to sort my right knee out and feeling like a caged animal. Not sure if I'll have time to get in to shape for the TWA race but it's an important one for me and it will be the last installment. Will most certainly be trying to train for it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on January 29, 2018, 01:51:33 pm
Good call on Hope Winter, I'd forgotten about that one. Might be a possible for me, followed by Stan Bradshaw Pendle Round in early March, then Sheffield Half and Kinder Downfall in April (entries for Kinder open this Thursday).

Might see you at the odd Thursday Totley session Tom.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on January 30, 2018, 04:12:24 pm
Managed to get an invitation to enter Jura this May. I'll be on the island as usual for whisky festival week and really hope to be able to get fit in time. Has anybody else here entered?

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on February 02, 2018, 08:41:12 am
No to Jura but am considering entering the Edale 9 Edges - a bit random as I've never entered a race before but it ticks a number of boxes - shame they don't have a boulderers category...

Already recce'd the end sections but planning to get up on Derwent in the next few months with Dave the Vicar.

Psyched!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on February 06, 2018, 02:25:29 pm
Go for it Si! You'll never look back once you start racing. Why not join Bowland too? There's four members of the club in South Liverpool so you can always jump a ride with us to the various events. £5/year subs and a despicably lovely orange and green vest makes for a strong look.

Slightly nervous about Jura now especially as I'm only just about to return to running after physio. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on February 06, 2018, 05:03:05 pm
C'mon Tom you did Langdale off the back of zero running and it's not as if you said "Last time I fail to run for several months before doing such a race!  :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on February 07, 2018, 12:19:38 pm
That much is true Tom! I'm just unsure how to get all of the necessary training in to 3.5 months. Hopefully the next physio session on the 21st can provide some answers. Also carried over my place for the Teenager with Altitude race if any of you are in for that or The Waltz?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on February 07, 2018, 02:26:39 pm
Well at least that's something tough before the Jura. No, none of us entered TWA. I figured I'd rather 'race' than simply try and 'finish', which would be the case with TWA. Also, I want to focus more on my running form and speed over the next couple of months, rather than lots of Kinder reps. Good luck with the comeback. Just seen this today which may be worth a read: https://trailrunnermag.com/training/injuries-and-treatment/returning-running-injury.html
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on February 07, 2018, 02:29:43 pm
That's a good point to be fair Tom. You can bust your lungs on the Waltz and perform well but the extra mileage and climbing of the TWA makes for a slightly less racy affair (for me this year anyway). Looking forward to seeing everybody's season unfurl here  :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 07, 2018, 01:05:56 pm
Is anybody aware of anything similar to the Adidas Bostons but at a lower price point? Need to start upping mileage and doing that in the Adios is probably a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on March 07, 2018, 01:27:15 pm
A pair of road running trainers? Bostons seem to be about £60, not sure you can get decent trainers for much less? Decathlon?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 07, 2018, 01:34:26 pm
60 rips is sadly in micro gent or macro gent sizes as far as I can see. Thinking the Brooks Ravenna 7s will do the job reduced to 47 rips with a loyalty discount...

https://www.startfitness.co.uk/brooks-ravenna-7-mens-running-shoes-silver-110217-1d116.html
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on March 07, 2018, 02:01:35 pm
If the shoe fits....

No experience of that specific model, but I 2 pairs of brooks trainers and they are decent quality.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 07, 2018, 04:43:04 pm
Good shout, cheers Chris.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on March 07, 2018, 04:54:30 pm
While on the subject...

https://www.run4it.com/feetures-elite-merino-light-cushion-quarter-running-sock

got a pair of these socks and love them, stood me well without blisters or even cold feet or discomfort after wearing them soaking wet and muddy for about 6 hours, but now have a hole in one and can't find them anymore in L without paying silly prices, or risking getting them on fleabay.

Can anyone recommend any good socks that aren't horrifically expensive? Anyone use the ultralight (as opposed to the light that i have) and are they any good?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 07, 2018, 08:53:13 pm
My road shoes are Brooks Ghost. I’ve done 850km in them and they still feel good. Very cushioned but not too sponge-bob-square-pants. I’ll just get another pair as they’re so incredibly comfortable and have worn well. I’ve tried some other road shoes recently and they all feel different. Personally I’d be pretty reluctant to buy a shoe I’ve never tried before online (though I guess you can return them).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on March 08, 2018, 09:44:55 am
Can anyone recommend any good socks that aren't horrifically expensive? Anyone use the ultralight (as opposed to the light that i have) and are they any good?

I've only ever worn the Inov8 merino mid length socks. After taking an absolute battering over the past 3 years or so they're still in one piece (mildly shrunken from cavalier approach to washing and drying). I'm going to go down the synthetic path once these expire but you should still be able to find some past models for cheap on the net.

My road shoes are Brooks Ghost. I’ve done 850km in them and they still feel good. Very cushioned but not too sponge-bob-square-pants. I’ll just get another pair as they’re so incredibly comfortable and have worn well. I’ve tried some other road shoes recently and they all feel different. Personally I’d be pretty reluctant to buy a shoe I’ve never tried before online (though I guess you can return them).

High praise indeed Tom! Aye, I'm reluctant too but might be worth a stab. Going to try to keep as much of my running to grass and off road where possible from now on.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on March 08, 2018, 12:55:37 pm
T_B just reminded me, I've got Ghost 9 s too. Bling red, be seen or be flattened.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on March 10, 2018, 11:53:57 am
Can anyone recommend any good socks that aren't horrifically expensive? Anyone use the ultralight (as opposed to the light that i have) and are they any good?

I don't know how you define horrifically expensive but the Hangar 18 Performance Socks are by far the nicest running socks I have ever worn - https://www.h18orr.com/products/h18-orr-sock

The large ones have been sold out for a while in the normal styles but you can still get knee-high ones if you don't mind looking like a triathlete.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on April 10, 2018, 02:04:41 pm
Entries have opened for the Burbage skyline, pre-entry only this year (wtf) (https://www.sientries.co.uk/event.php?elid=Y&event_id=4559).

Race is 7.30pm, 8th of May.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Mr_Cus on April 10, 2018, 02:26:43 pm
Entries have opened for the Burbage skyline, pre-entry only this year (wtf) (https://www.sientries.co.uk/event.php?elid=Y&event_id=4559).

Race is 7.30pm, 8th of May.

Cheers for the heads up. Online only though!? That means I'm going to need to plan ahead to make sure I am actually free that evening. Annoying!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 10, 2018, 03:06:19 pm
I don't think they normally get 400 runners (the entry limit), and as entries close Sunday 6th I suppose you don't have to be that organised. £7 though!



Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on April 10, 2018, 03:25:03 pm
Could the new route be any more contrived? I'll probably go and watch this year as I'm racing the Sunday after. Maybe the Carl Wark bog could provide some amusing moments?

Anyone else doing Kinder Downfall? I'm going to recce on Sunday.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on April 10, 2018, 03:35:58 pm
Anyone else doing Kinder Downfall? I'm going to recce on Sunday.

Yep, but in bad shape currently. Will stuggle round in 1hr 40 odd I imagine.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 10, 2018, 03:40:20 pm
I didn't want to sound negative n all but yeah, it's basically 2/3rds of the burb circuit with some random stuff at the end including the bog.

I'm in the Lakes that weekend for the Anniversary Waltz + climbing, so no Kinder Downfall. Really hoping for some nice weather and pacing... there's a lot of running on the Waltz.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on April 10, 2018, 04:23:33 pm
Great little run in the Lakes midweek on the Grisedale Grind. Weather closed in and snowing from teatime so they shortened the route, took as around the forest a bit and then only halfway up the regular ridge route. One of the harder 2 and a bit miles I've done. Result not flattering - only the fitter end of the field seemed to turn up. Don't think I've ever raced proper winter conditions. Brill.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on April 10, 2018, 04:39:42 pm
Anyone else doing Kinder Downfall? I'm going to recce on Sunday.

Yep, but in bad shape currently. Will stuggle round in 1hr 40 odd I imagine.
If you see a couple of Totley vests (green with a white stripe), it's probably me and the missus so come and say hello.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on April 10, 2018, 04:51:33 pm
If you see a couple of Totley vests (green with a white stripe), it's probably me and the missus so come and say hello.

I will do, I shall be stretching my Chorlton Runners Vest (black and yellow) to it's limit........
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 13, 2018, 01:31:31 pm
Great little run in the Lakes midweek on the Grisedale Grind. Weather closed in and snowing from teatime so they shortened the route, took as around the forest a bit and then only halfway up the regular ridge route. One of the harder 2 and a bit miles I've done. Result not flattering - only the fitter end of the field seemed to turn up. Don't think I've ever raced proper winter conditions. Brill.

Good work Steve. Always looks a nice start to the season this one but yet to venture over for it.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stevie on April 13, 2018, 02:14:26 pm
Neil, don't miss the short cut over Sandy Heys on Kinder Downfall! There's a good 30 seconds to be had.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on May 09, 2018, 01:26:37 pm
Could the new route be any more contrived? I'll probably go and watch this year as I'm racing the Sunday after. Maybe the Carl Wark bog could provide some amusing moments?

Contrived, yes, but good fun. Not a great course for a man of my skill set (not very good at running but quite brave/stupid and long legged so good at descending) but a great turn out and it still feels like a "proper fell run" despite being in a very busy part of the peak between two main roads.

General mutterings after the race seemed to be that the new course was quite good. Not much of a bog around Carl Wark but the boggy bits around there helped to cushion the stride on the descent.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: al on May 09, 2018, 02:20:28 pm
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Contrived, yes, but good fun
great evening & relieved the temps dropped from the previous day!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on May 09, 2018, 02:24:44 pm
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Contrived, yes, but good fun
great evening & relieved the temps dropped from the previous day!

Definitely, being a more well insulated gentleman, especially compared to most runners/climbers, that heat would have been a killer.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on May 09, 2018, 04:07:29 pm
Enjoyed the Burbage race last night, surprisingly good route. 

Has anyone done the Welsh 1000m peaks race? Its in a couple of week and I'm starting to get a little nervous.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 09, 2018, 06:08:37 pm
Nope but I passed them coming up Glyder Fawr last June as I was coming down and they looked tired (was a hot day)!

Welsh 3000ers was supposed to be my big race this year but instead of doing laps on Kinder I’m currently injured and going bouldering instead.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 10, 2018, 08:53:05 am
What you done Tom?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 10, 2018, 01:54:12 pm
Just had 11 days off due to proximal hamstring tedinopathy problem I have being aggravated (tripping over... then not letting it settle down before overdoing it). Again. Plus getting sore Achilles. So playing it by ear at the mo..
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 10, 2018, 03:22:52 pm
Not good at this time of year. My calf has been a bit tweaky all week, but i think its from long bike ride Sunday, then late run with intervals Monday and no stretching after. Lazy, and time limited, dangerous combo.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on May 10, 2018, 03:52:00 pm
Lazy, and time limited, dangerous combo.

I think that's pretty much the root cause of most of my ails this year. Busy life, tired, quick sessions, not enough prehab/injury prevention.  :chair:

Hope everyone mends soon!  Might go for a wee hill trot tonight.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 10, 2018, 04:30:24 pm
Crikey. Hope you all heal fast!

Currently enjoying a rare window of non-injury. Fortuitously, this coincides with Jura in two weeks time. Un-fortuitously, I've got to get around the bloody thing with little training. Similar to Brannock, I'm soiling myself.

As an aside, Fatneck and I toyed with the idea of a UKB running meet up perhaps at somewhere like Frodsham which is both undulating trail and fairly accessible from most directions. If there's any impetus for this, holla and we could set an FB group up or similar.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 10, 2018, 05:25:15 pm
You're gonna be loving that last 5k on the road Tom :lol:

Seriously, respect for toeing the line off so little training. I just hope it's not hot for you!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on May 10, 2018, 06:04:42 pm
As an aside, Fatneck and I toyed with the idea of a UKB running meet up perhaps at somewhere like Frodsham which is both undulating trail and fairly accessible from most directions. If there's any impetus for this, holla and we could set an FB group up or similar.

Well clearly I'm in. Met the wider necked gentleman in Real Life last week at Blackstone and we chuckled about your upcoming Jura. Excellent choice straight from the couch :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 11, 2018, 09:58:57 am
Thanks for the respect Tom but I'm going to have to play it by feel I think. If I get there and am overawed by the prospect, I'll sack it off and go to the Lagavulin open day. In a strange headspace about it given I've wanted to do it for so long, it only happens once a year and there's no guarantee I'd get in again next year. I think I'd get around on pigheadedness alone but chronic DOMS for the remaining whisky festival days wouldn't be much fun. Hmmmm

Steve, I'm going to head to Frodsham in the morning to get a few miles in. Drop me a FB message if you happen to be heading out. Bar the steps of doom and the top edge, I don't really know the area nor how to connect it to Helsby. Been many years since I climbed there.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2018, 12:57:50 pm
At least have a go. Distance and vert wise it's on a par with Ring Of Steall, and I could walk normally within 7 days of doing that.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on May 11, 2018, 02:05:29 pm
I think the thing with the Jura (I haven't done it) is that it's notoriously mega rocky and rough underfoot. If you compare the pacing of someone really good with a comparable Lakeland AL in terms of climb/length, they're moving a lot slower. Still, I would go for it!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2018, 02:10:43 pm
Lot steeper too i reckon. Is there a harsh cutoff? If not I would treat it as a big day in the hills, running and walking as and when fitness and terrain allows. At least you then know the route in order to get on it next time and push for a time. Even iof you don't complete, you've at least got prior on some of the course.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 11, 2018, 03:42:43 pm
Aye that was my thinking Chris and I do prefer rough ground to endless grass. Could always set off at sub 6 min/mile pace for the first mile, put on an Italian accent and put the jeepers up the favourites before dropping out in mile two.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2018, 04:32:26 pm
I thought Jornet was Spanish? :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on May 11, 2018, 08:11:29 pm
@Tom - sadly not free tomorrow but easiest way to connect to Helsby is down the access rd at the bottom of the steps of doom. Head straight across the road and head down track then path. Right when you hit tarmac in Helsby, then left and left up narrow steep footpath. Up. Have a peak at strava for clues. Enjoy! Or not, if it involves reps :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 14, 2018, 11:33:50 am
I thought Jornet was Spanish? :)

Was thinking more of assuming the identity of an Italian mountain runner. That said, they all weigh around 6 stone so that's that disguise blown..

@Tom - sadly not free tomorrow but easiest way to connect to Helsby is down the access rd at the bottom of the steps of doom. Head straight across the road and head down track then path. Right when you hit tarmac in Helsby, then left and left up narrow steep footpath. Up. Have a peak at strava for clues. Enjoy! Or not, if it involves reps :)

Thanks Steve! I'll save a fuller tour for when we meet but perhaps take a look through Strava in the meantime. : )

Separately, have been enjoying the GPS debate in the FRA Facebook thread - close to 1000 replies in 3 days!  :o
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on May 14, 2018, 12:46:08 pm
Mm, hard to put that genie back in it's box. Probably 50% use GPS to record. Hard to distinguish between dirty cheats* using it to pre-load a breadcrumb and people just recording so they can brag on strava afterwards (hello!).

I've only used a breadcrumb twice, once on the Welsh 3000s where I picked up a pied piper trail of people in the mist ...who dropped me once it cleared and my legs died (I had recced it too). That's a skyrunner which are supposedly marked and not a nav test. The other time I was *dirty cheat on the Old County Tops and definitely saved a bit of time coming off Sca Fell. They'd have to tear that hard-won t-shirt off my back in a wrestling match though.

And the 'old days' were full of people that couldn't use a map and compass :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on June 04, 2018, 05:46:35 pm
The LAMM is no more! After an incredible weekend on Harris, Martin announced it's the last one, and quite a high to go out on. Great weather, stunning scenery, brutal hills and a mid-camp that was out of this world. We shall have to see what Shane and his team can conjure up.

Tom, how did Jura go?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on June 04, 2018, 05:55:05 pm
Like the whisky, bottled! :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 04, 2018, 07:15:55 pm
Am interested to know how Brannock got on with Welsh 1K? I was bouldering in Ogwen on Saturday afternoon and it was absolutely roasting. Hopefully there was some cooling clag over the Glyders/Snowdon?!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on June 04, 2018, 08:42:41 pm
Welsh 1km peaks is a good race, if brutal. Carneddau were in thick clag above about 500 Metres, there was a train of people up to the first check point (a vauge point on a broad ridge on the way to carnedd llywelyn), at which point those in front of me went off in directions 180 degrees apart. Followed someone in roughly the right direction, but I was checking my map so much I lost contact with them, which point i had a bit of a panic and went round in a circle, big thanks to the guys who pointed me in the right direction around foel grach. At which point i was cursing my decession to be ethical and rule obeying a not have a gpx trail. The rest of it went fairly smothly, if slowly. The terrain is very rough, there isn't much easy running on it.

The organisation in is relaxed but efficient, there is a good atmosphere to it.

To be honest I was woefuly unprepared, having not done much long or hilly running, I was just aiming to get round and have a good day out, so I'm not to disappointed with six and a half hours.

Shame about lamm, my first fell race, great that Shane is doing something similar.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 05, 2018, 06:45:09 pm
Good work Brannock! Sounded like a great day out and to have a classic under your belt like that!

I did indeed bottle Jura. Agonised about it all of the day before and came to the decision that a red hot day with not a lot of recent ascent in the legs would make for a potentially torrid time. The Lagavulin backup plan came in to touch which was incredible. Hoping to try again next year under different circumstances.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 12, 2018, 10:41:13 am
Amidst the frustration of not having it in me to undertake Jura this year after injury, I've been thinking hard about where I'm at and where I want to be in running terms. Naturally, the Bob Graham Round is on the hit list for many fell runners and it's been a source of immense interest for me over the past couple of years. Imminently, we're moving slightly eastwards towards Helsby and Frodsham and I know that however modest these slightly hilly areas are, they have acted as the training ground for a few past impressive long distance feats.

Turning 35 in October, I suppose I'm approaching my aerobic prime (or may have shot past it already some while back!?) and without family commitments for the next few years and a partner who is in for a marathon or two next year, I wonder whether 2019 will be as good a time as any in my life to have an effort on the BG. I'm finally learning to manage a slew of non ideal lower back issues (grade 1 spondylolisthesis and a bulging disc) through working with a brilliant physio and I'm sure with enough discipline to maintain a lifelong approach to strength and conditioning, I can keep these in check to some extent. Can't be any worse than Joss' problems!

Being a member of Bowland who have a very supportive culture with regards to BG and other rounds, there's plenty of opportunities to offer support and in turn, to receive it. I'm aware of the enormity of such an undertaking but as some of you may have seen, I'm not shy of endless repetitive stair running and other such modes of gaining ascent/descent.

I'd be interested to learn if any of you have completed a round and if so, to hear of your journeys. I know that if I'm in for this, it's a long hard road ahead. Shit, or get off the pot as they say.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on June 12, 2018, 12:12:18 pm
No help to offer other than saying fucking crush it beast.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on June 12, 2018, 01:10:21 pm
I reckon Maskell is keen...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on June 12, 2018, 01:25:22 pm
Half a dozen MASSIVE days out in the hills, sort your nutrition and stock up on pig headedness. Bosh! I supported Leg 5 this weekend on a 22h round and was pleasantly surprised how gentle the pace was. (Leg 5 is by far the easiest leg and only has 3 tops, but you know). Just keep moving.

Be interesting to find out wouldn't it?  :yes:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 12, 2018, 02:14:11 pm
Welsh 1km peaks is a good race, if brutal.


Oops - missed that write up - nice one. Sounds like a very decent time to me!



Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on June 12, 2018, 02:37:59 pm

There's a great write up of Stuart Walker attempting a winter solo round. It sounds like a proper 'adventure'.
http://challengestu.blogspot.com/2018/01/tried-winter-bob-graham.html
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 12, 2018, 03:25:35 pm
I reckon Maskell is keen...

Noted. Will drop John a line, thanks Si.

Half a dozen MASSIVE days out in the hills, sort your nutrition and stock up on pig headedness. Bosh! I supported Leg 5 this weekend on a 22h round and was pleasantly surprised how gentle the pace was. (Leg 5 is by far the easiest leg and only has 3 tops, but you know). Just keep moving.

Be interesting to find out wouldn't it?  :yes:

All sounding like a doddle there Steve! Looking forward to some more regular runs together soon.  :)


There's a great write up of Stuart Walker attempting a winter solo round. It sounds like a proper 'adventure'.
http://challengestu.blogspot.com/2018/01/tried-winter-bob-graham.html

Good link Tom, very much enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: duncan on June 12, 2018, 07:37:19 pm
corniceman has done it. I helped out with the feeding and watering. He said a good sized support team made a crucial difference compared to his first, minimally-supported, attempt.

In theory the pace is not much more than a fast walk. You just have to keep going...

A quick perusal of the website suggests mean age of successful completers is late 30s.

If I were to chose a single non-climbing physical achievement, this would be it. It’s quite an experience even as a bystander.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on June 12, 2018, 09:06:15 pm
I failed on the BG a few years ago, so feel free to ignore this, felt really sick at the end of leg 1, threw up a few times and couldn't hold food down, got to Great end but ran out of energy. Had I been able to eat properly don't think I would have got round, hadn't done enough long runs. Also supported a friend on his round, running legs 2 and 5 with him, to be honest I found supporting more fun.

My main point would be you need to really want it. It hurts. It hurts a lot. Its also a big commitment of time.

Back to back 20 mile weekends are good, 20+ miles on Saturday, 20+ miles on Sunday.

If you are used to running in the evening, think about an evening start, its also less disruptive of sleep/digestion etc than the traditional midnight start. That said there is a lot of running in the dark, with a Sunto and a good gpx track its not to bad, also misses the group psyche of other teams (most weekends through the summer there will  be several groups out).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on June 12, 2018, 10:07:34 pm
Meant to add, it's a great thing to do, there is something magical about running over the Dodds as the sun rises/sets.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on June 12, 2018, 10:45:32 pm
Also supported a friend on his round, running legs 2 and 5 with him, to be honest I found supporting more fun.

Supporting some rounds is a great idea, it'll really give you a feel for what it's like (especially if you're on one of the later legs trying to cajole a vomiting, exhausted runner over Gable) and gives you some recce runs into the bargain. I've done legs 3, 4 and 5 of the BGR and some of the Joss Naylor round in support and they've always been brilliant days out.

Training-wise, height and terrain probably trumps distance (which will come by itself). 10,000 m/week is the oft-quoted figure and the more of that you can do on rough/steep/boggy ground the better. The faster you are at covering this sort of terrain the more comfortable life will be - in theory (or in practice if you're Billy Bland!) you can walk the whole thing, in reality there's a lot of rough ground on legs 3 and 4 which slows you down enough that you have to do quite a bit of jogging wherever you can to keep to the schedule.

Most of the rounds I can think of that have failed have done so because of the weather - it may be better to have a smaller, more flexible support team so you can pick a day closer to the time to coincide with a weather window rather than being stuck setting out on a doomed enterprise into the teeth of a howling gale because your pacers couldn't go on any other day.

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on June 13, 2018, 10:32:20 am
Something I'd love to do as a longer term project, shame it's so far away.

Even Ramsay round is a long way away, shame there isn't an Eastern Scottish mountains equivalent...

yet....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on June 13, 2018, 11:16:50 am
That's the spirit Chris...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JohnM on June 13, 2018, 11:45:37 am
[quoteI reckon Maskell is keen...][/quote]

I am/was keen and had been building up to it this year and did the first 3 stages individually with the plan to make an attempt sometime this month. However, that is definitely not going to happen now. As Brannock says it is a huge commitment of time to get the miles in. Earlier in the year I wasn't climbing much because of shoulder injury so I was happy to spend the weekend in the fells but now I am climbing again and that has taken over. I have really enjoyed doing the stages though but I realised it is not just about the running/hill fitness. Navigation was often a nightmare. Last time I got lost between Calf Crag and  Sergeant Man and was wandering around in about 30 m visibility above Pavey Ark by the end with really low moral! This kind of thing adds miles and time and often the ground is so heavy going!

In the next couple of week I will probably try and link the last 3 stages in a day from Dunmail to Keswick but don't know if I will ever be up to a proper attempt.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on June 13, 2018, 12:14:25 pm
That's the spirit Chris...

Still in it's infancy, maybe when i really give up climbing, one day.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 14, 2018, 09:58:00 am
Thanks for the contributions all. Some good food for thought and I'll decide either way once we're soon settled in the new gaff.My heart wants it 100%, as does my head. Just need a body to follow!

John, if you want to team up for a few legs, let me know. Would be nice to catch up and run together. 

Something I'd love to do as a longer term project, shame it's so far away.

Even Ramsay round is a long way away, shame there isn't an Eastern Scottish mountains equivalent...

yet....

I reckon you've plenty of local smaller hills to train in Chris. Get those young whippersnappers out on the bike alongside you if and when they're able!

I failed on the BG a few years ago, so feel free to ignore this, felt really sick at the end of leg 1, threw up a few times and couldn't hold food down, got to Great end but ran out of energy. Had I been able to eat properly don't think I would have got round, hadn't done enough long runs. Also supported a friend on his round, running legs 2 and 5 with him, to be honest I found supporting more fun.

My main point would be you need to really want it. It hurts. It hurts a lot. Its also a big commitment of time.

Back to back 20 mile weekends are good, 20+ miles on Saturday, 20+ miles on Sunday.

If you are used to running in the evening, think about an evening start, its also less disruptive of sleep/digestion etc than the traditional midnight start. That said there is a lot of running in the dark, with a Sunto and a good gpx track its not to bad, also misses the group psyche of other teams (most weekends through the summer there will  be several groups out).


Is the psyche still there Brannock? Very well done on your effort in any event. I'm sure it will have helped to put things in context at the very least. The old adage of the better drivers pass second time etc.!?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Brannock on June 16, 2018, 02:46:50 pm
Might give it another go at some point but not for a couple of years. Hopefully build a base of long runs and races if I do have another go, at the minute prefer climbing and short races.

As ajh said, supporting rounds is a great chance to see what it is like and learn the route. 
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 18, 2018, 10:40:58 am
Might give it another go at some point but not for a couple of years. Hopefully build a base of long runs and races if I do have another go, at the minute prefer climbing and short races.

As ajh said, supporting rounds is a great chance to see what it is like and learn the route.

Sounds like you just got a bit unlucky with your stomach issues very early on last time. Good luck for the next shift!

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on June 29, 2018, 02:25:58 pm
Just a heads up for anybody else burning through multiple kit changes per week in the heat.

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Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: webbo on July 01, 2018, 09:59:21 pm
Apparently a Ken Taylor? Of Rossendale age71 did the Bob Graham in 22 hours.
You lot need to get your acts together :lol:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on July 02, 2018, 06:14:44 pm
Running advice and thoughts - I went for a run the other day up and back down a route I've done a few times. It's an out and back up a gentle climb then steep hill. 7 km in total

The first 3 km are a steady rise of 130m (4.8% to save you the maths) and I was averaging 5:37/km for that, which is a quite fast for me. It's then a trudge up another 80m in 400m (20%).

On the way back down I got a stitch on my right side, kind of where the bottom of my lung sticks out of my ribs. First time I've had that!

I've had a few suggestions of breathing control - is that what's required?

Also, I've had the worst doms I've ever had from running! Both legs, down the outside where the IT bands are, but running the whole length of my quads!  Strangely my knees were fine. I can still feel the DOMS now 4 days later!  Is this normal?/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on July 03, 2018, 08:20:51 am
Quote from: webbo
Apparently a Ken Taylor? Of Rossendale age71 did the Bob Graham in 22 hours

Legend! And Nicky Spinks (51) completed a double Ramsay yesterday!!!

Fultonius, I am far too much of a running numpty to be able to offer any advice although I have felt similarly after what I would consider a normal run for no apparent reason. Didn't involve a stitch mind. It is particularly hot at the moment though?  :-\
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on July 03, 2018, 09:52:26 am
Isn't a stitch normally associated with dehydration?

Re: DOMS are you doing any stretching after? Or at all? Foam rollering? The roller bar you get from decathlon is great for getting to thigh muscles.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on July 03, 2018, 11:05:43 am
I associate stitches with having not digested your dinner?

DOMS is a conditioning thing is it not? If you're talking quads, you need to run more downhills.

With respect to the Double Ramsey, I'm with Ally Beaven. Especially given the hyperbole and seeing fell running stray into the same realms of b*llocks you see written about mountaineering/polar travel in the media. Obvs it's a massive effort/impressive physical feat, but her sponsors seem to have conveniently moved the goalposts as she didn't do it within 48 hours. Sorry!


Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on July 03, 2018, 10:59:44 pm
Apparently a Ken Taylor? Of Rossendale age71 did the Bob Graham in 22 hours.
You lot need to get your acts together :lol:
My mate Dave did leg 1 with him. I brought Dave home on 5 a few weeks ago. Dave is a very fit 40something that gets top 10 results and wins cross races. They both did 22h rounds. Makes Ken’s round all the more Impressive in my book! Oldest BGR by 3 years I think.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on July 03, 2018, 11:51:15 pm
I associate stitches with having not digested your dinner?

DOMS is a conditioning thing is it not? If you're talking quads, you need to run more downhills.

With respect to the Double Ramsey, I'm with Ally Beaven. Especially given the hyperbole and seeing fell running stray into the same realms of b*llocks you see written about mountaineering/polar travel in the media. Obvs it's a massive effort/impressive physical feat, but her sponsors seem to have conveniently moved the goalposts as she didn't do it within 48 hours. Sorry!

I was wondering about food, I did have a snack fairly close to the run (closer than normal) but it wasn't big.

Chris, stretching....what's that???  Should really buy a foam roller at some point - might treat myself to a sports massage sometime.

To be honest, I can't expect any better for the amount of running I do, it just surprised me that it happened on a run I'm familiar with and have had no problems with before. Must have pushed too hard and it's probably been longer since my last run than I'd like to admit.

Nice one on the half Marathon Chris, how was that?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on July 04, 2018, 02:07:15 pm
Thanks mate, absolutely brutal in the heat. Don't know if you know it, but the last part of the hill to Swanley before you go onto forest section nearly broke me. Final bit of hard ascent, no breeze, no shade, and heat coming off the tarmac was relentless. Managed 1:54, only 6 mins of my pb, so no complaints.

Mate ran Lairig Ghru Race last weekend in under 5 hours, then clocked 1:36 in the half, bit of a machine.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on July 09, 2018, 08:44:37 am
Kilian sets a new BG record (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-0tbJAc-b/) whilst his Mrs takes a day and a half off the Kungsleden trail FKT  (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk9jyfsnoHm/)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: JohnM on July 09, 2018, 09:38:16 am
Quote
Kilian sets a new BG record whilst his Mrs takes a day and a half off the Kungsleden trail FKT

I was coming down off Scafell yesterday after doing a route on Central Buttress and chatting to my climbing partner (who has done the BG). I said "I wouldn't like to do it in this heat" and he said "I don't think anyone would" and I said "Well maybe a Spanish guy wouldn't mind" and he said "Yeah like that Kilian Jornet". Literally minutes later 3 runners came past us pacing up Broad Stand, who we now realise were Kilian Jornet and two support runners. I couldn't believe the coincidence after getting back last night and reading the news!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: jwi on July 09, 2018, 09:45:02 am
Kilian sets a new BG record (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-0tbJAc-b/) whilst his Mrs takes a day and a half off the Kungsleden trail FKT  (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk9jyfsnoHm/)

I'm confused by the Emelie Forsberg thing. Kungsleden is way longer than 450 km, at least 1300 km depending on what route you chose. (A friend of mine has the FKT on Kungsleden and he had 1316 km on his satellite tracker.)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on July 09, 2018, 11:16:39 am
I think this weekend's record says a lot about the sport. KJ apparently punted the idea last week without a support crew. Looked unlikely to assemble the quality needed until as late as Friday when Jebbie (and Carl Bell?) abandoned their own plans, deciding it was too hot for their attempts. They both then pulled their guts out helping Jornet smash the record and probably put it out of their own reach for the foreseeable future. KJ popped by to visit Billy Bland earlier in the week and BB was there at Dunmail and Moot Hall to support. Just great.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: galpinos on July 09, 2018, 03:23:18 pm
Kilian sets a new BG record (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-0tbJAc-b/) whilst his Mrs takes a day and a half off the Kungsleden trail FKT  (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk9jyfsnoHm/)

I'm confused by the Emelie Forsberg thing. Kungsleden is way longer than 450 km, at least 1300 km depending on what route you chose. (A friend of mine has the FKT on Kungsleden and he had 1316 km on his satellite tracker.)

Wiki says 440km? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kungsleden
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: jwi on July 09, 2018, 05:39:31 pm
Kilian sets a new BG record (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-0tbJAc-b/) whilst his Mrs takes a day and a half off the Kungsleden trail FKT  (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk9jyfsnoHm/)

I'm confused by the Emelie Forsberg thing. Kungsleden is way longer than 450 km, at least 1300 km depending on what route you chose. (A friend of mine has the FKT on Kungsleden and he had 1316 km on his satellite tracker.)

Wiki says 440km? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kungsleden

Oh, embarrassing. I think I mixed it up with "Grona bandet" https://www.vitagronabandet.se/en-GB which starts with Kungsleden but continues all the way to the end of the Swedish part of the Scandic mountain range
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on July 30, 2018, 02:05:18 pm
How's everybody's season going so far? Living vicariously having had no time to train this year so keen to hear your reports!

Great to see Fatneck coming on leaps and bounds!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on July 31, 2018, 09:10:09 am
I'm not really fell running but managing to increase distance with no injuries or set backs! Think I've learnt to listen to my body better...

Managed my longest run to date last Friday checking out Mods and Diffs on Derwent, Stanage and Burbage for the 9 Edges in September. Great fun and I'm really psyched for the actual event!

Obligatory Relive here (https://www.relive.cc/view/1731461269)...

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on August 05, 2018, 05:22:23 pm
Did my first fell race today, Round Hill up above Otley. Hot day and hard going when the breeze dropped, but I finished well within my target time! A great experience...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on August 06, 2018, 10:22:37 am
Nice work youth! Will this be the first of many.....?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: andy_e on August 06, 2018, 11:47:50 am
I definitely want to do some more, but I doubt it'll be a regular thing!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 06, 2018, 04:23:59 pm
No fell runs as yet, but done a few races;

Forfar Multi terrain half - 2:00:02 (still pleased as was ill all week, and almost didn't do it at all)
Balmoral 15 mile trail race 2:09
Stonehaven Half (multi terrain) 1:53:56 (hot beyond belief)

Still got
Aberdeen Half (road)
Ring of Steall (29km)
Illuminator (24km)

and one or 2 local fell races I'll try and do.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on August 06, 2018, 06:16:44 pm
Filthy day out at Kentmere last weekend, mist, rain and driving wind for most of the day. Made a stupid nav mistake and stayed high for too long (hello Strav fly-bys!), descending through a lost world of ferns, thistles and boulders. Barked my shin. Threw away all the places I'd busted a gut for. Came back with a sprained ankle that seemed ok but swelled up like a good un. Cankle now mostly gone. All good actually, one of those 'good to be alive days'!

About to venture a little trail run and see how it feels.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 08, 2018, 05:39:33 pm
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mountains-are-Calling-Running-Scotland/dp/1912240106

Anyone read it? Could be good.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 16, 2018, 10:36:56 am
https://www.fastrunning.com/training/ultra-running/dan-lawson-aims-to-break-874-mile-jogle-record/18573

Not fell running as such, but an amazing undertaking. Might be passing your way soon Southerners!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on August 16, 2018, 03:26:28 pm
Cool! Tracker here (http://live.opentracking.co.uk/fktdanlawson/)...

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 22, 2018, 05:34:45 pm
https://www.fastrunning.com/running-athletics-news/great-britain/jogle-record-no-longer-possible-but-show-will-go-on/18720

pity, amazing effort.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on August 30, 2018, 04:03:11 pm
Yeah shame...

Great effort on your Aberdeen Half PB (https://www.strava.com/activities/1798566001) Chris!

I've got the 9 Edges in 2 weeks. Very much looking forward to it!

Question - just got the kit list through (no problem with this, see below - all very sensible), have everything on the list bar a long sleeved fleece which I hadn't seen on an FRA list before. Will a long sleeved thermal top do or will I have to buy a new fleece?

Waterproof jacket and leg cover, both with taped seams
Hat and gloves
Warm layers appropriate for the weather conditions but the minimum is a long sleeved fleece
Whistle
Sufficient food and fluids for the duration of the event
Map and compass suitable for navigating the course. If you choose to navigate on OS 1:25000 mapping you need both Dark and White Peak maps to cover the course.
Survival bag or bespoke emergency shelter, lightweight polythene allowed, no foil blankets, foil bags acceptable, Blizzard Bags allowed.

Ta
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on August 30, 2018, 05:06:59 pm
Yes, good effort Chris. I'd like to do a road half but want to increase my flat speed first.

Fatneck - good question. When does a base layer become a fleece?! Seems excessive for a race in September, especially as fleece is quite bulky. Good luck anyway. I entered a couple of years ago but didn't run in the end as I always seem to be injured/unfit after the summer holidays. Looking forward to seeing how far I get on the Exterminator this Sunday before running out of gas ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on August 30, 2018, 05:38:33 pm
Looking forward to seeing how far I get on the Exterminator this Sunday before running out of gas ;)
I'm marshalling this year, so I'll see you on Stanage.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 31, 2018, 09:44:52 am
Cheers guys, still stoked.

I bought a  OMM Fleecy hoody as a requirement for a race. It's pretty light, and great for running in freezing cold, but would never wear it in September. It's fantastic for wearing on cooler days bouldering though, never leaves my pack.

Back round to Glencoe Skyline Series. Anyone else doing Ring of Steall or any of the other races, apart from me and richieb? Reeve, still out of action?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on August 31, 2018, 11:24:26 am
 Me?! Ha! I basically haven't run since last year. It was meant to be a year of climbing for me although due to various illnesses and injuries I have been on a continuous 12 month series of comebacks. Maybe I should have stuck with running after all
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 31, 2018, 02:56:55 pm
Ah well. next year...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on August 31, 2018, 03:26:35 pm
Ah I didn't initially spot that you're doing it again Chris. I just looked back to what you said about it last time. Psyched you're doing it again. Aiming to beat last years time?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 03, 2018, 02:47:07 pm
Yep, hopefully going in better prepared mentally (now i know the route) and physically for the effort involved. On a strict diet of vertical height in training runs at the moment. And hopefully it wont be a complete mudbath like last time..

Got a couple of mates doing Glencoe Skyline this year, will see how they get on.....
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on September 11, 2018, 08:20:35 am
I managed to complete the Edale 9 Edges in a little over 5 hours which was well within my projected time although weather put paid to our plans to do a route on each crag. We did do some random boulder problems and gullies to make us feel better but the weather wasn't the best. Annoyingly due to some Natural England interference (I think) they had to change the route to avoid Dovestone Tor. I don't think this altered the difficulty in the end but was a shame to miss that edge. In summary, I am very pleased! Legs are feeling great and I managed to run pretty much all the flat and downhill without too much trouble. Sandstone Trail in 2019 and Marsden to Edale in 2020?  :boxing:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 11, 2018, 09:33:42 am
Good going fatneck.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 11, 2018, 09:34:45 am
And hopefully it wont be a complete mudbath like last time..


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gfh6xh66v#?date=2018-09-15

Arse..
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 11, 2018, 01:54:10 pm
Top work Fatneck, sounds like a great event!
Tip: stay up late to enter the Sandstone - it'll be full by 7/8am
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: cheque on September 11, 2018, 03:00:32 pm
Annoyingly due to some Natural England interference (I think) they had to change the route to avoid Dovestone Tor.

Due to the new owners of the Moscar estate (Duke of Rutland) apparently. It was discussed at the last Peak Area meet. I can't remember exactly how they're allowed to do it as it's CRoW land.

Nice one on the run by the way.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on September 12, 2018, 01:46:41 pm
Yeah it's bizarre - they said the BMC had some hassle...

Cheers!

Also, good luck with the mud tomorrow Chris  :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on September 12, 2018, 02:52:51 pm
Annoyingly due to some Natural England interference (I think) they had to change the route to avoid Dovestone Tor.

Due to the new owners of the Moscar estate (Duke of Rutland) apparently. It was discussed at the last Peak Area meet. I can't remember exactly how they're allowed to do it as it's CRoW land.

Nice one on the run by the way.

I think the CRoW land thing is to do with organised events. A few of the local fell races have had enforced route changes on a similar basis - Burbage Skyline, Totley Moor, GoBigMoor to name a few. If it's an organised event, the organiser still needs landowner approval I think.

Good run by the way. Uptown (formerly of this parish) also ran and was top 10 I think.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on September 14, 2018, 10:49:08 am
Quote from: -stabbsy
Good run by the way. Uptown (formerly of this parish) also ran and was top 10 I think.

Thanks! Yeah think he was 7th. Under 3 hours is so impressive...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 14, 2018, 11:17:23 am

Also, good luck with the mud tomorrow Chris  :)

Thanks, it's tomorrow now. The Ultra today has been shortened due to crap weather, and it looks like Skyline on Sunday will go the same way. We might have a weather window tomorrow, but it loos like it will be grim later, all the more reason to get round fast..
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 17, 2018, 11:05:49 am
7:10 and a bit. Got round 24 minutes faster than last year, but it didn't feel any easier. Utterly broken today, can barely walk.

Well done to Richie Betts, who smashed out an astonishing 5:16, good work mate!

Skyline was shortened, but still included Curved Ridge. When we drove past the queue at the bottom must have been at least a dozen deep.

Clova Duathlon next, some easy roadbiking plus a jog up a couple of Munros. Doddle by comparison.

Killian Journet got round in an astonishing 3:04. Course record.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: richieb on September 18, 2018, 09:02:56 pm
Cheers Chris and well done on your PB. What a brutal course.
Legs don't feel too bad but I did get golfer's from all the hands on knees uphill  :lol:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on September 18, 2018, 10:05:57 pm
7:10 and a bit. Got round 24 minutes faster than last year, but it didn't feel any easier. Utterly broken today, can barely walk.

Great stuff Chris!

It isn't meant to feel easier  ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 19, 2018, 10:12:53 am
Legs don't feel too bad but I did get golfer's from all the hands on knees uphill  :lol:

I've still got serious DOMS. Scott M reckoned the weather shortened "lite" version they did is easier than RoS.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on September 19, 2018, 12:54:45 pm
Great effort Chris!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 23, 2018, 10:25:54 am
Managing to work condensed hours most weeks at the moment which gives me Fridays to get out. Hoping to take our Collie out running a lot more but she does have a strong chase drive and I'm thus looking for different route ideas around Cumbria and Snowdonia where livestock are at a minimum. I always have her on a waist lead but her recall is much improved and we've been working on some good off lead time on climbs and descents with no livestock around.

We went up Glyder Fach last Friday which was perfect in many respects bar the area around the very rocky plateau at the top.I wondered whether any of you had some good route ideas that might fit the bill? If it's a recce of a race route even better!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on November 12, 2018, 05:04:03 pm
Looking at races to consider for 2019.

Anyone recommend any good uns? Short, Medium or Long. I like a lot of climb and steep/technical descents. That said, I'm probably going to do a HM in the spring, so won't be neglecting working on my speed (or lack of).

In particular, I'm looking for a couple of longer mountain races to try and build towards (I might do the Great Lakes again - it will be interesting in a big field as it's a British & English Champs race next year).

For climbers, this looks like an interesting new race in the Lakes, based around Pinnacle Ridge: https://www.lakedistrictskytrails.com/pinnacle-ridge-extreme-2019 (though the criteria seems very strict).

The only race I've currently got an entry for is Marsden to Edale Trigger, so planning to start the year off with some full-on gnarl (potentially).

Interested in races other people are targeting!







Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on November 14, 2018, 12:45:08 pm
The only race I've currently got an entry for is Marsden to Edale Trigger, so planning to start the year off with some full-on gnarl (potentially).

My hat is in the ring for this - I'm hoping for a nice sunny day, firm under foot......  :smirk:

Going to try and get on the lakeland classics table this year so looking at Ennerdale, Wasdale and either 3 shires or Langdale.

Also talking about trying the salomon vertical K
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on November 14, 2018, 01:02:55 pm
The Kinlochleven VK?

looks like a lot of the hard part of mountain running (going up) without the fun bits (flat and back down!).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: chris20 on November 14, 2018, 07:11:38 pm
The Kinlochleven VK?

looks like a lot of the hard part of mountain running (going up) without the fun bits (flat and back down!).

The fun part is going up, I hate descending!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on November 15, 2018, 08:26:36 am
I'm in for the Trigger too. I was meant to do it in 2017 but I fell over walking out from Malham the day before and bashed my knee up good and proper - looking at the photos from that year I think I dodged a bullet! Fingers crossed for a nice hard frost and hopefully a bit of fog to keep things interesting on the nav front.

Anyone recommend any good uns? Short, Medium or Long. I like a lot of climb and steep/technical descents. That said, I'm probably going to do a HM in the spring, so won't be neglecting working on my speed (or lack of).

I did Ennerdale and Buttermere this year both of those fit the 'lots of climb, lots of descent, not much of it easy' criteria. The drop from Whiteless Pike to Newlands feels ridiculous when you look down it, especially if you take it direct at the top!

The biggest hidden gem for me this year was the Cautley Horseshoe. Only really did it because it was a champs race but it was a total blast and properly tough for a 4 mile race. Really recommend this one, some great spectator fun to be had at the final river crossing too.

In particular, I'm looking for a couple of longer mountain races to try and build towards

The Mountain Trial  in September. Good (long!) day out guaranteed.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on November 15, 2018, 10:11:37 am
The Kinlochleven VK?

looks like a lot of the hard part of mountain running (going up) without the fun bits (flat and back down!).

The fun part is going up, I hate descending!

Weirdo.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on November 15, 2018, 12:32:18 pm
Thanks for the replies.

Interesting how many folk are in for the Trigger!

I spent a fair bit of time trawling through the Fellrunner website yesterday evening and am also looking at:

Doctors Gate in February. Heard good things about the first one that was earlier this year.

I will probably enter Edale Skyline this year. I think.

I'd like to do Coniston in May. The descent has a bit of a reputation I believe.

Good tip on Cautley, plus there's the Howgills race as part of the champs this year.

Eskdale Elevation looks like an interesting route in that it only has a couple of check points. It gets a small turnout.

Good to see someone's taken on the Anniversary Waltz and that this (now called Newland's Memorial Fell Race) will be running the same weekend together with the Teenager, in April. I have done the Teenager course as a recce as far as Hindscarth + AW and would love to be fit enough to do that as the time of year suits (it's the Easter weekend in 2019). Same crazy descent off Whiteless Pike as on Buttermere as ajh mentions above.

I'm not going to plan anything for after the summer so the Mountain Trial is out. I've found out twice now that I'm totally off the pace in September having been away all August on holiday. That said, I would love to do a race in Europe as part of the family summer trip with the Salomon Ubaye Trail being on the radar.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on November 16, 2018, 11:46:39 am
Good schedule Tom! So pleased to hear about the AW and TWA races.

I'm just trying to build weekly mileage and ascent up now we have our bridge pass for free travel to Frodsham. Finally have regular access to hills so a very happy chappy!

Take a look at the Ras Yr Aran race in March Tom. 5 miles out, 5 miles back, it's brilliant. The weather can get a bit spicy and being one of the first AM races of the season, this only adds to the excitement. Easy nav in the main.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on November 16, 2018, 12:06:07 pm
That looks mega Tom (just had a look on Google Earth). Exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. Somewhere off the beaten track.Will keep that one in mind for sure.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on November 16, 2018, 01:30:48 pm
It is Tom honestly. I've done it twice now and really relish its approach every year. To me it feels as though it marks the start of the season after putting those dark, wet winter miles in during training.

There are a few in the series so I'd like to try some of the others next year where possible: http://www.run-meirionnydd.co.uk/ourraces.html

Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on November 16, 2018, 01:39:31 pm
Not planning to enter many events next year but I may enter the Edale 98 Edges. I'm hoping to complete the Sandstone Trail at some stage next year and put some work into the Welsh 3,000 course with a view to doing it in 2020.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on November 16, 2018, 02:53:02 pm
Not planning to enter many events next year but I may enter the Edale 98 Edges. I'm hoping to complete the Sandstone Trail at some stage next year and put some work into the Welsh 3,000 course with a view to doing it in 2020.

Good work lid. I'd be happy to trot around the 3,000 course with you and similarly have a few afternoons out on sections of the Sandstone Trail. It's high time we ran together eh!?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on February 22, 2019, 04:52:30 pm
Not really fell running as such, but I've got a ballot place in the London Marathon on the day of my 50th, so decided to raise some money for RNLI.

https://mydonate.bt.com/fundraisers/chrisfryervmlm2019

Donate a few quid if you fancy, and if anyone is in town and fancies a beer afterwards, give me a shout.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on February 28, 2019, 04:41:08 pm
The fasting thread prompted me to post this, i read it a while back.

https://www.runultra.co.uk/Articles/December-2016/Runners-All-you-need-to-know-about-ketosis-and-fat

Does anyone do / has anyone tried this?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: reeve on February 28, 2019, 08:58:39 pm
Hi Chris

When I was training for the Glen Coe Skyline the other year I was fairly mindful of this. I definitely didn't go full ketogenic diet, but I did do some fasted runs (1-2 times a week) of up to 15 miles or so. I have only skim read the article you linked to, but that approach seems consistent with what I did. I think it worked for me, as the GCS was loads further and loads more height gain than anything I'd done before, so I knew I wasn't going to be sprinting any part of it but was going to be out all day, so being fat-adapted was very relevant. Comparing my splits to those who got a similar time to me, I had a stronger finish which I would partially attribute to this. I mostly read stuff on the uphill athlete site, if you're aware of that? Here's one: https://www.uphillathlete.com/train-to-burn-fat/ although there's a bunch of others.

Even though I'm not running at the moment I'd be really interested in what others make of it.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on March 01, 2019, 09:27:31 am
Thanks Reeve, yep I had it specifically in mind for longer races like RoS and GCS (contemplating for next year!). And have Lairig Gru race in mind for later in the year.

I'll have a read, thanks.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 01, 2019, 11:01:20 am
Horses for courses.

I've done a few fasted runs and anything over an hour with significant climb I've bonked massively. I think it would be a lot of work to become fat adapted and given I'm pretty much pescatarian, pretty tricky. I like carbs and the thought of eating tons of meat/fat/cream etc grosses me out. My wife was keto for a large part of last year and put it this way, I wouldn't want to eat what she ate!

In the world of ultra running there are some keto evangelists (e.g. Jeff Browning) who have performed better since switching to that diet, but they're few and far between compared to the vegan evangelists!

Look at what Kilian ate for his 24hr skimo ascent/descent record. Basically a ton of gels. I suspect he finished strongly ;).

I have very little experience of running for more than 5+ hours, but the one time I have and performed really well I think it was in part to a good nutrition (I ate something every hour). I'm lucky in that I can run 30 minutes after eating without issues and seem to be able to get down some solid food on the move (well, at least for the first couple of hours).
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on March 01, 2019, 11:12:49 am
Being 'bellyful' adapted is a useful skill to have. When I was doing longer stuff more regularly I'd get up, get dressed have a drink and go ...or have something to eat, fanny about for a short while and go. Both useful strategies. It might be quite different if you're working harder but my long strategy is 'don't get out of breath'. I've struggled a couple of times through not eating enough, eg bad weather and you're concentrating too much on getting your head down. Even if you're making a mental note to eat every hour, it can soon pass too long if you're busy navigating or just in your own world with your hood up. Suspect I'm better suited to force feeding than being fat adapted.

It really takes all sorts - Nicky Spinks famously tucked into fish and chips on her double BGR. A mate of mine did his on nothing but Kendal Mint Cake. Not sure if he still has any teeth. https://www.trailrunningmag.co.uk/training/nutrition/article/nicky-spinks-double-bob-graham-diet
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: teestub on March 01, 2019, 12:41:12 pm

Look at what Kilian ate for his 24hr skimo ascent/descent record. Basically a ton of gels. I suspect he finished strongly ;).


Hi Tom

Interesting that you chose Kilian as an example as he's widely reported as being exceedingly fat adapted.

Quote from: Kilian
Many times I run without having anything to eat beforehand and then the body adapts on ways to save energy and ways to use the energy in your body. If you are used to eating a lot all the time when you are running then if you run out of food or you miss a feed station in a race then your body is not adapted to performing without food. But if you are used to running for a long time without food your body is always saving some energy or using its stored energy to perform better.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/kilian-jornet-how-to-run-further-than-youve-ever-run-before/

The subject is covered well in Steve House's Training for the New Alpinism, and the dietary alterations required stop a long way short of Keto (I think 50% cals from fat?), and may well be quite achievable on a fish based diet without too much alteration (oily fish obviously have a decent amount of fat in them).

I'm sure I'm teaching you to suck eggs but the aim is to have both fat and carb burning pathways open (unlike keto) so that you can fuel longer lower intensity efforts mainly off fat (in House's world this is getting to the crux pitch on your alpine objective, but could easily be the flatter bits of a long run) and then fuel with carbs for more intensive parts of the day or training.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on March 01, 2019, 12:56:50 pm
Being 'bellyful' adapted is a useful skill to have. When I was doing longer stuff more regularly I'd get up, get dressed have a drink and go ...or have something to eat, fanny about for a short while and go. Both useful strategies. It might be quite different if you're working harder but my long strategy is 'don't get out of breath'. I've struggled a couple of times through not eating enough, eg bad weather and you're concentrating too much on getting your head down. Even if you're making a mental note to eat every hour, it can soon pass too long if you're busy navigating or just in your own world with your hood up. Suspect I'm better suited to force feeding than being fat adapted.

It really takes all sorts - Nicky Spinks famously tucked into fish and chips on her double BGR. A mate of mine did his on nothing but Kendal Mint Cake. Not sure if he still has any teeth. https://www.trailrunningmag.co.uk/training/nutrition/article/nicky-spinks-double-bob-graham-diet

Some of the fuelling strategies for BGR make for interesting reading, many people swear by just going for something you really like and can eat any time; jam sandwiches for example.

I find on longer races i really need to feel like i have something in my stomach, as well as all the gels, flapjack, jelly babies etc, best I've found is some quality mini pork pies. They are compact, won't fall to bits and are easy to carry, and very filling, and I really like them. I've heard other people like taking them for the same reasons.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on March 01, 2019, 01:13:06 pm

I'm sure I'm teaching you to suck eggs but the aim is to have both fat and carb burning pathways open (unlike keto) so that you can fuel longer lower intensity efforts mainly off fat (in House's world this is getting to the crux pitch on your alpine objective, but could easily be the flatter bits of a long run) and then fuel with carbs for more intensive parts of the day or training.

Far from it. I'm definitely no expert! I 'bonk' really easily. Even on a short recovery run after a long run/hard session the day before. Maybe that's cos I'm not fat-adapted at all?

Interesting topic. I like the idea of being like Kilian floating across the hills grabbing the odd blueberry for sustenance :lol:.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: fatneck on March 01, 2019, 01:33:50 pm
A second vote for pork pies - food of champions!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 17, 2019, 11:48:48 am
Anybody in for the Newlands Memorial this Saturday? I will be if I can get a race entry. Always dropouts so should be ok. As usual, racing with no recent hills in the legs. Why do I do this.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 17, 2019, 12:16:26 pm
It's actually very runnable, especially the final 6km from the top of High Spy which could be really fast if you have the legs. So, if you can bear to take it steady up Robinson you'll be reet. I got cramp when I ran last year, plus I was carrying a hamstring injury so it was a bit frustrating. The descent from Dale Head is ace. Would love to do it again but not this yr, sadly. Enjoy!

I won't talk about my disaster at the Howgills off the back of too much flat running and not enough hills  ;D
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on April 17, 2019, 03:32:19 pm
It's actually one of the few routes I've reccied before and raced it a couple of years ago. Such a nice route eh Tom. Always remember that last section towards Catbells having a sting in the tail. Doubtless it'll be less of a sting and more of a flooring this year.

The Howgills intimidate me. So easy to look at them and do them a disservice. Fine work on getting stuck in however that ended beast!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on April 17, 2019, 08:55:49 pm
Was down in Kendal today on a work training course and got the train down yesterday in just enough time for an hour's run. Went for a fairly flat out (for me!!) effort round Helfell and Scout scar and felt really good, like, really good for the first 5 or 6km and pretty good up to 8km. By 9km I was flagging a bit and I gave up running at 10km as my left knee was tightening up.

Aaaanyway, points being:  I've somewhat stupidly signed up for the Ring of Steall with a few mates this year. I reckon I should be ok, having done similar rounds of height gain and distance at a reasonable pace while munro bagging, but I'm trying to figure out the best plan. I don't have a lot of time to dedicate to training, and want to still have plenty time and energy for climbing so I was thinking of trying to do something like this:

1 x weekly 7 -10km easy pace run, preferably hilly but a lot of them will just be around Glasgow
1 x monthly >20km / >2000m fast hill walk with jogging of ridges and downhills, but trying to not push.
1 x fortnightly hill sprints or something of high intensity(shorter hilly run 3-5km etc.)

Chris mentioned getting sorted with nutrition and fluids, so I'll try to get a suitable light pack/vest  :sick: for carrying my water/layers/food etc.. I like this idea of eating/drinking before normal running as I do struggle with that a bit.

I'm not aiming for any kind of pace, just get round under the cut offs and hopefully not have my legs fall off.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 17, 2019, 10:09:29 pm
With that little amount of running I wouldn’t bother risking any workouts/high intensity stuff. Maybe just do a more ‘sustained effort’ hilly run for your fortnightly run? I.e. your main aim being not to get injured.

Mixing running and climbing is a tricky business - good luck!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: ajh on April 18, 2019, 08:42:00 am
Anybody in for the Newlands Memorial this Saturday? I will be if I can get a race entry.

Entries have been reopened until 9pm this evening. I'll be going, it's one of my favourite races although I'm expecting it to hurt more than usual with the forecast temperatures/lack of wind allied to a pretty dire lack of fitness!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on April 18, 2019, 09:09:47 am
I'll try to get a suitable light pack/vest  :sick: for carrying my water/layers/food etc..

FWIW your crashing at 10 km sounds like a nutrition issue? Did you eat much before or during?

Get yourself a decent race vest sooner rather than later so you get used to wearing one. Deacthlon have a few if you want to go budget, but if you have a decent running shop with a selection try a few on. I much prefer one with two chest straps to one for example. I got one of these https://www.wiggle.co.uk/inov-8-race-ultra-10/?sku=5360696379 and i can run OK without it bouncing about even with a small laptop in it.

Experiment with what gels work for you too, some are really rank and claggy, some are easy to get down. And I would focus on as many long days in the hills in the run up to the event, and do a couple of 10 k' ers during the week. Hill reps will help a bit, but be wary of coming back down (esp on tar).

And be wary of the knees! I have an intermittent issue with my right one, and wear a decathlon elastic support on long hill runs as a precautionary measure. Is that the leg you knackered? Maybe go back to doing some stabilising / strengthening exercises?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: webbo on April 18, 2019, 09:46:55 am
I doubt that crashing at 10K will be a nutritional issues unless you didn’t eat for several days before the run. It will be a fitness thing going too hard early on and you couldn’t sustain that pace.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on April 18, 2019, 06:11:50 pm
Cheers all.

I didn't really crash, it was more a case of outer knee issues (which I've had at others time when going too hard for too long) - local muscular endurance. My big muscles were still going fine.

Will happily swap out any hill reps for longer hilly runs :-)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on May 21, 2019, 02:47:54 pm
Not fell running-related but a headsup that Adidas have a 33% off sale at the moment. Bostons for £73 as opposed to £110 for example.

https://www.adidas.co.uk/three_stripes?cm_mmc=AdieSEM_Google-_-adidas-Brand_Expanded-B-Exact-_-sale-_-adidas%20sale&cm_mmca1=UK&cm_mmca2=e&ds_kid=43700027491456533&gclid=Cj0KCQjww47nBRDlARIsAEJ34bkTaenalMiwwVGpIJQTvsCXR-qe3U2LzcF-l7GlkbV1mpUReNGbw_gaAvLbEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on July 31, 2019, 10:03:05 pm
So, I recently got a cheap chineasium whereabouts tracker with built in heart rate beaty pulsey thing.

It's known to be inaccurate going uphill (for some reason heart rate drops from 145ish to 120ish) but it also seems to go up when descending - is this a quirk of the watch, or does my heart rate really go from 145 to 165/170?

Note: I'm never out of breath descending. Is it just quite anaerobic? Heart increase to keep the lactic system working, despite low O2 requirement?





Note 2: I'm fiddling while rome burns. Ring of Steall Skyrace is definitely too ambitious for my first race. No. Shit. Sherlock.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 02, 2019, 11:47:00 pm
Just get out and do some long days in the hills, run what you can, walk what you can't. You won't do worse than my 7:30 first attempt. Or my 7:10 second...
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on September 08, 2019, 08:59:05 pm
Just get out and do some long days in the hills, run what you can, walk what you can't. You won't do worse than my 7:30 first attempt. Or my 7:10 second...

Cheers for the encouragement Chris. I nearly bailed - I offered my entry to someone but they didn't take it up, so I kept up with some running just in case I end up at the start line.

I had a bit of a realisation recently. My "slow" all day pace was just nowhere near slow enough. Point in case: I went out for a 17km / 650m run a few weeks back. I thought I was going steady and it covered a lot of ground I run regularly during shorter efforts. On the finally climb I could feel my hip flexors starting to tighten which portents the dreaded onset of the IT band knees. Next descent they went. Nearly brought me to tears in frustration. That was when I started seriously considering pulling out.

Next longer run was 13km /510m and I went extra slow. Basically trying to maintain a pace that would allow me to talk the whole way. Finished feeling great. Legs ok the next day. This was last Thursday. On Saturday I went out with a mate who's also doing the RoS. We went up the ridge left of curved ridge  :-[ over the Bauchaille, Stob Na Brioge, down the far side and up the two Etive Beag's. All in we did 22km and 2000m. It was very slow, and we descended very moderately, some breaks for chats with people etc. but made it round in 6 hours. My leg are feeling it today, but my knees/hips survived the whole thing.  All in, quite pleased with that and feel a bit more positive about getting round in one piece.

I have decided, however, that long runs are not my thing. Having to spend too much time running when I could be climbing. I think I'll stick to infrequent 10km hill runs from now on.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 09, 2019, 09:17:48 am
Good stuff. I made the mistake of getting drawn along by the crowd and blasted the descent off devils ridge the first time, stood around eating for too long at the food break, then really struggled to get going again up along Glen Nevis, and pretty much limped round the rest of the course in hell. Worth doing a day where you have more than one ascent if you are going to try slot another long one in.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on September 09, 2019, 02:22:01 pm
Good stuff. I made the mistake of getting drawn along by the crowd and blasted the descent off devils ridge the first time, stood around eating for too long at the food break, then really struggled to get going again up along Glen Nevis, and pretty much limped round the rest of the course in hell. Worth doing a day where you have more than one ascent if you are going to try slot another long one in.

Aye, my main goal is to go super slow to the second climb. If I feel OK along the ridge then I'll maybe ramp it up for the end.. or just suffer and die... We'll see haha!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 09, 2019, 02:51:39 pm
Be aware they detour yo off the main tourist path near the end of Glen Nevis, and send you along a rockier upper path which is really energy draining.

You got food / nutrition sorted?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on September 09, 2019, 06:54:11 pm
Be aware they detour yo off the main tourist path near the end of Glen Nevis, and send you along a rockier upper path which is really energy draining.

You got food / nutrition sorted?

Good beta, cheers!  We had thought of a reccy last weekend, but went for the Buachaille option instead.

Aye, feeding myself seems to be one thing I've managed to nail. 2 pork pies, 3 cereal bars, 2 flap jacks and about 1.5L water/juice (and some stream sips) mainly on the move. My energy levels felt pretty good even at the end, so I think I'm good with that. Might swap a cereal bar for a snickers.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 10, 2019, 08:50:34 am
Take some wine gums / jelly babies / clif bloks?

There was flap jack and half bananas at the refill point last year, plus coffee, water and (bizarrely) over-caffeinated sugary drink company, year before were jam sandwiches and coke as well. Plus water obv. They are really helpful with filling water bladders etc.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on September 23, 2019, 09:40:36 pm
Take some wine gums / jelly babies / clif bloks?

There was flap jack and half bananas at the refill point last year, plus coffee, water and (bizarrely) over-caffeinated sugary drink company, year before were jam sandwiches and coke as well. Plus water obv. They are really helpful with filling water bladders etc.

Thanks for all the encouragement/motivation to not pull out of the ring of steall folks, especially Chris - I managed to munch my way round which meant I finished quite strongly (flap jack and pork pies). I don't have any split times, as my chip failed for some reason, but I did a fair bit of overtaking throughout the day.

Really enjoyed it. We we're very lucky with the weather which was never hot hot, but nice and sunny. Very windy at times up on the ridge. My hat blew off and went miles. Anyone else do it?  I have worked out my time to be 6hrs 24m as I knew who I finished behind and my knees were fine!  All in, I suppose I'd say it was worth it as I feel I've had a fun experience of a big race like that, didn't get injured and now have a much bigger base of fitness. I am, on the other hand, quite looking forward to being able to prioritise climbing and getting out on the bike again.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 24, 2019, 09:05:30 am
Good work mate. From other people's photos (I know of at 4 friends locally) it looks like you had great weather. Both times I did it we had mixed conditions, low cloud and at least some rain. Last year the RoS was the only race that didn't get shortened due to crap weather, but it still wasn't pleasant.

The DOMS took a week for me to recover from!

I don't think Richie did it this year, got other things going on..
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on September 24, 2019, 09:52:27 am
Glencoe Skyline next??
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on July 16, 2020, 09:54:09 am
Fastest known time for the Pennine Way broken overnight - 2 days 16 hours 40 minutes for 268 miles. Looked in the balance for large parts of yesterday after having been ahead of schedule for the first 2 days.

I remember hearing about the Mike Hartley record when I was a kid and couldn’t understand how something like that was possible. Having spent a few years running, I’ve got more of an idea of the effort involved and it still amazes me.

The same guy, John Kelly, is going for a second attempt at the 3 rounds (Paddy Buckley, Bob Graham, Charlie Ramsey) back to back linked by bike. Failed last year in some horrendous weather.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on July 16, 2020, 10:32:43 am
Stunning. Crazy week for distance records - John Kelly, Sabrina Verjee doing the Wainwrights and Kim Collison adding to the Lakeland Tops record with 78 in 24h. Dull fact: the previous holder of that last used to rent a room in my mate's house, smoker and not much of a runner at the time I believe. Gives me a minor thrill running reps of the same slopes.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: turnipturned on July 16, 2020, 11:23:26 am
Adam Perry used to work same office offices as me, I knew he was pretty close to the Lakeland tops record (out by 15minutes)

I remember he telling me, after one attempt, he couldnt feel his legs below his knee for a month.  :ohmy:
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on July 16, 2020, 11:30:46 am
Yeah sod that. Mate I did Ring of Steall with still has numbness in part of his foot 3 years later.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on September 15, 2020, 11:35:10 am
Dull fact: the previous holder of that last used to rent a room in my mate's house, smoker and not much of a runner at the time I believe. Gives me a minor thrill running reps of the same slopes.

I thought I'd heard something way back about this. Was it Mark Hartell who used to train at Frodsham?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: steveri on September 16, 2020, 09:36:46 am
Mark Hartell yes. Used to live with my mate Clive ...who I'd been running with a year or 2 before he let slip he was an early BGRer :)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on April 12, 2021, 01:10:23 pm
Any ideas for a 10km ish hilly run this afternoon? I'm heading back North from Kandal, so anywhere not too out they way. Was thinking grasmere?
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: T_B on April 12, 2021, 01:54:17 pm
Coledale Horseshoe
Blencathra FR course.

Both a bit more than 10k tho
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: HarryBD on April 12, 2021, 03:15:25 pm
From Grasmere up to Easedale then Codale Tarn, N to Calf Crag then E to Helm Crag and down. Reverse if you like your ups steep and downs long.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on April 12, 2021, 06:48:57 pm
Thought Harry's suggestion might be shorter....woops!  Well, looks like my legs can cope with 15km which is nice!

Might be a bit later home that planned...  1hr 58mins, happy enough with that!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on April 12, 2021, 07:36:12 pm
Totally forget the thing I was thinking about coming back down from Helm Crag - brilliant run! Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: HarryBD on April 12, 2021, 09:20:49 pm
Thought Harry's suggestion might be shorter....woops!  Well, looks like my legs can cope with 15km which is nice!

Might be a bit later home that planned...  1hr 58mins, happy enough with that!

My bad, I’m sure that run was in the 10k region when I did it. Glad you enjoyed it anyway!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on April 14, 2021, 08:36:27 am
Thought Harry's suggestion might be shorter....woops!  Well, looks like my legs can cope with 15km which is nice!

Might be a bit later home that planned...  1hr 58mins, happy enough with that!

My bad, I’m sure that run was in the 10k region when I did it. Glad you enjoyed it anyway!

Ha, that wasn't meant to be a dig. I think the bottom line is, you really need to be happy at the 13 to 15km distance in the lakes as that just seems to open up loads more options.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on August 25, 2021, 11:58:49 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-58305778#:~:text=An%20Edinburgh%20running%20club%20has,Scottish%20mountains%20over%203%2C000ft.

love a daft challenge
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 13, 2021, 08:48:15 am
Any radical ideas on nutrition on long races?

My food is normally; 2 x small quality pork pies, small butter madeleines, chorizo slices, a few flap jacks, wine gums, one bladder of tail wind, one with SiS elecrolytes. Plus a few SiS gels of which I might have 1. And whatever I fancy at food stops (usually just have half bananas).

Used to have Chia Charge bars but really gone off them.   


Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Ballsofcottonwool on October 13, 2021, 08:59:52 am
Written with cyclists in mind, but the cook book Feed Zone Portables by Dr. Allen Lim and Chef Biju Thomas is full of tasty recipes designed to be eaten on the go.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on October 13, 2021, 09:11:06 am
Depends how long long is. Up to 4 hours-ish racing, I’ve never had anything beyond gels. Did the 3 Peaks on about 8 gels - 4 with me at the start and 2 strapped to water bottles at Ribblehead and Hill Inn. Didn’t try Tailwind until this winter, but I’d probably use that now and reduce the gels.

For some of the longer Lakeland stuff, I’d probably have something else that’s  easily digested - rice omelette cut into blocks is what I’d take on a long day out training. However, I’ve never raced with it so no idea how it sits when you’re trying hard.

The only race I’ve done with food stops (LDWA thing near Skipton), I ran past the food stops as I was just behind 3rd place and was chasing a podium. The pork pies looked good though.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Stabbsy on October 13, 2021, 09:12:11 am
Written with cyclists in mind, but the cook book Feed Zone Portables by Dr. Allen Lim and Chef Biju Thomas is full of tasty recipes designed to be eaten on the go.
This book is where the rice omelette idea came from.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 13, 2021, 09:26:00 am
Under 4 I'm fine with gels and wine gums, thinking anything over. I like having something in my stomach I find running and feeling hungry rally saps my morale. 

Cold egg would just make me bowk, but I will look a the book. Chorizo slices taste amazing mid race though..
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: GCW on October 13, 2021, 09:28:06 am
On anything longer (10 hours plus) I’m similar to you- pork pies, cheese sandwiches, scotch eggs, biscuits. Plus anything at the checkpoints (I particularly like soups).

I think the main thing is to avoid anything you haven’t eaten on previous training runs or events. I don’t use gels (there is a physiological reason plus my guts don’t always like them).

I only do the Lakeland 100 for the food stops. It’s just a trot between picknicks really  ;)
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 13, 2021, 09:44:37 am
I'm ok with mild flavour SiS Gels, GU ones are too claggy.

I read a food of choice for Bob Graham round is jam sandwiches
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Fultonius on October 13, 2021, 09:49:35 am
I really rate the sainsbury oat flapjack squares. Moist, tasty and easy to digest.  Might try tailwind if I ever do anything long ever again.

P. S. Good effort on the 50km Chris!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Monolith on October 13, 2021, 10:23:11 am
Any radical ideas on nutrition on long races?

My food is normally; 2 x small quality pork pies, small butter madeleines, chorizo slices, a few flap jacks, wine gums, one bladder of tail wind, one with SiS elecrolytes. Plus a few SiS gels of which I might have 1. And whatever I fancy at food stops (usually just have half bananas).

Used to have Chia Charge bars but really gone off them.

If you can find a way to portably carry rice pudding Chris, that's worth a stab. Soreen in little packets are also good. I always think about Nicky Spinks eating that massive fish and chips halfway through her BG double and I think Joss Naylor had two cans of Mackesons/bacon butties on one of his long endeavours.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Plattsy on October 13, 2021, 07:56:41 pm
When I was into long trots I had M&S all butter sausage rolls. 1 every hour. They hit the calorie numbers that I'd read about and tasted great. Salted peanuts to snack on in between and emergency snickers bars.

Heard good things about ham and cheese croissants too.
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Ged on October 13, 2021, 08:06:43 pm
The general rule seems to be whatever you can stomach! I rate peanut butter and jam sarnies. A mate once brought along baked bean wraps in white tortillas. They were ace and went down really easily. But just eat, whatever it may be!
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: Dac on October 13, 2021, 08:24:33 pm
Not tried it myself (it’s years since I ran for more than about 2 hours), but how about chip drink?

https://semi-rad.com/2021/10/how-to-make-chip-drink/
Title: Re: Fell running
Post by: SA Chris on October 14, 2021, 07:45:26 am
If you can find a way to portably carry rice pudding Chris, that's worth a stab.

Cold rice pudding would make me bowk too.

sausage rolls could be a winner too.
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