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Title: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Will Hunt on September 29, 2017, 03:24:11 pm
While we're at it, could we have a graded list of dynos in Yorkshire? Only to include those things where the easiest solution is a dyno and it's not eliminate in any way (so, Ed's Dyno and Black Wall Dyno at the Cliff are out). I'm struggling to think of many.

Clubber Lang (6C) - Ilkley

The Vault (6C+) - Shipley Glen

English Rose (7A+) - Twin Towers (Colsterdale)

Who Are We Without Moon (7A+) - Baildon

Andy Brown's Wall (7B) - Earl Crag (Is this a dyno?)

Fluide (7C) - Brimham (Crow Crag)

Robbed at Dunn Point (7C) - Eavestone

Big Kicks (7C) - Lord's Seat

Clutch (?) - Guisecliff
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: peewee on September 29, 2017, 03:36:33 pm
Sloping Beauty, Earl
Backdraft, Scout Hut
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Will Hunt on September 29, 2017, 03:45:40 pm
Backdraft, Scout Hut

What's that, Pete? I can only see a Backfire at Scout Hut.

Nearly forgot The Titfield Thunderbolt at Brimham. 7B+ I think.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: 36chambers on September 29, 2017, 04:54:00 pm
A little Sparkle (7A) - Guisecliff

The Real Boom Bap (7A) - on the virgin boulder. Although it technically eliminates the holds on the 8B or whatever it is that goes up that part of the face.

I'd argue that Black Wall Dyno isn't eliminate, since the non dyno way takes a big loop out left.

is Doris Direct (7B+?) at Ilkley a dyno? I've only ever seen a picture of it and I'm not sure whether it's a big move or a dyno. Although I don't really know what a dyno is nowadays, all points of contact off?
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Rob F on September 29, 2017, 07:56:40 pm
There's loads: Throttle Stop at Crookrise and the Dunning ones at slipstones are particularly memorable...
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Will Hunt on September 30, 2017, 06:40:22 pm
Did the Real Boom Bap today and it's surprisingly decent and not really an eliminate (and it's actually worth 7A, if not maybe more; loads harder than Clubber Lang). You go to the break straight up from the starting block. Expect some backwards rolls down the hill if you miss while your spotter isn't looking.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: peewee on October 02, 2017, 02:45:57 pm
Backdraft, Scout Hut

What's that, Pete? I can only see a Backfire at Scout Hut.

Nearly forgot The Titfield Thunderbolt at Brimham. 7B+ I think.

My bad, yes its Backfire.

Other one to add the classic dyno on the Calf at Ilkely?
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Fiend on October 02, 2017, 03:58:55 pm
A Little Sparkle is more like falling off but catching the top that the same time. I can't dyno but I did it. Bloody great problem :)
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Will Hunt on October 02, 2017, 04:40:58 pm
I had thought of the Calf Dyno but it is really eliminate. When you start looking for stuff where the natural way to climb it is to dyno the list becomes much slimmer.

A Little Sparkle (not done it yet) looks more like a pop. Andy Brown's Wall is a throw/slap. Not true dynos but how many true dynos are there really?

Is Morning Sickness at Clattering Stones an eliminate?

Also to add to the list is The Oyster Catcher at Sigsworth Crags.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: nik at work on October 02, 2017, 06:47:23 pm
Flight Path at Mytholm.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Rob F on October 02, 2017, 09:20:04 pm
Some good air on Jumpers Dyno at Brimham so long as you're not being too rhadamanthine...
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: peewee on October 04, 2017, 01:23:58 pm
Forgot about Flight Path! even though there's a picture of my ugly mug on it in the YMC guide. Wouldn't say it's eliminate.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: fatneck on October 04, 2017, 03:35:01 pm
Morning Sickness at Clattering Stones
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Will Hunt on October 04, 2017, 03:40:06 pm
Some good air on Jumpers Dyno at Brimham so long as you're not being too rhadamanthine...

No eliminates, Rob  :spank:
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Bradders on October 04, 2017, 07:17:46 pm
Andy Brown's Wall is a throw/slap.

Andy Brown's is definitely a dyno for anyone under six foot. I'm 5' 11" and had to jump with three points off to latch it.

Suppose it'd be best to get a definition. For me it's anything where (1) the move leaves you with either one or no points of contact, and/or (2) where there is physically no possibility of doing the move statically.

Feel if it were just (1) then things like Deliverance, Fluide, etc. would be left out, which doesn't feel right.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Bradders on October 04, 2017, 07:20:53 pm
Andy Brown's Wall is a throw/slap.

Andy Brown's is definitely a dyno for anyone under six foot. I'm 5' 11" and had to jump with three points off to latch it.

Suppose it'd be best to get a definition. For me it's anything where (1) the move leaves you with either one or no points of contact, and/or (2) where there is physically no possibility of doing the move statically.

Feel if it were just (1) then things like Deliverance, Fluide, etc. would be left out, which doesn't feel right.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Rob F on October 04, 2017, 07:32:42 pm
Ha ha ha- Leaning Block Art at Flasby is a good one...
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Rob F on October 04, 2017, 07:38:36 pm
Are we counting horizontal dynos or is it just vertical???

Colossal Velocity at Rolling Gate...
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Rob F on October 04, 2017, 07:41:47 pm
Solid Air- Eastby...
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: r-man on October 04, 2017, 08:19:08 pm
Andy Brown's Wall is a throw/slap.

Andy Brown's is definitely a dyno for anyone under six foot. I'm 5' 11" and had to jump with three points off to latch it.

Suppose it'd be best to get a definition. For me it's anything where (1) the move leaves you with either one or no points of contact, and/or (2) where there is physically no possibility of doing the move statically.

Feel if it were just (1) then things like Deliverance, Fluide, etc. would be left out, which doesn't feel right.

Deliverance isn't a dyno (if you do it the techy way). Andy Brown's is a big move, but not a dyno. There are loads more problems on steeper boulders where you launch for a hold and three points come off - that doesn't make them dynos.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: andy popp on October 04, 2017, 08:32:21 pm
Suppose it'd be best to get a definition. For me it's anything where (1) the move leaves you with either one or no points of contact, and/or (2) where there is physically no possibility of doing the move statically.

I can think of two routes where the crux involved a one-legged, hands free stand-up move (both were off vertical). Definitely didn't feel like dynos.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: moose on October 04, 2017, 09:38:35 pm
Who Are We Without Moon and Sloping Beauty - are they really dynos? To my mind, they are not violent enough - more teetery, balancy deadpoints where your weight is entirelly supported until the very last milliseconds.  Admittedly, I'm 6'3", so often lank moves that other people have to pop for, but I am also an incredibly "slow twitch" climber - I am entirely incapable of genuine dynamic movement.  If those problems were dynos, I would not have done them - my limit for genuine dynos is around v3!

Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: dave on October 04, 2017, 09:40:46 pm
If your other hand stays on then it's not a proper dyno, it's a slap. End of.

Hence Andy Brown's Wall isn't a dyno. Deliverance isn't if done the high foot way, could be the original way but I can't remember if right hand actually comes off. Things like Hurricane at Curbar aren't dynos either, neither is Sloping Beauty at Earl.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: tomtom on October 04, 2017, 10:21:43 pm
I thought only shorties had to take both hands off?


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Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: andy_e on October 05, 2017, 09:03:16 am
Things like Hurricane at Curbar aren't dynos either

Thank you for the excuse to pull out this beauty again.

http://vimeo.com/51431581
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: peewee on October 05, 2017, 03:58:43 pm
Forgot about Flight Path Mourning Sickness! even though there's a picture of my ugly mug on it in the YMC guide. Wouldn't say it's eliminate.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Rob F on October 05, 2017, 06:39:21 pm
Surely one mans slap is another mans dyno???

Are we basically saying that we have to go from the starting holds into lunar orbit without any other holds along the way???

The wall right of right of Out of Sight at Bridestones (might) fullfill this criteria...
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: r-man on October 05, 2017, 07:03:04 pm
Surely one mans slap is another mans dyno???

Are we basically saying that we have to go from the starting holds into lunar orbit without any other holds along the way???


Yes. Simple.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: dave on October 05, 2017, 08:38:35 pm
Surely one mans slap is another mans dyno???

Clearly.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Bradders on October 06, 2017, 08:31:18 am
If your other hand stays on then it's not a proper dyno, it's a slap. End of.

Disagree, I think it's more about what your feet are doing, i.e. if both feet are off then you're jumping, which is surely the essence of a dyno. Doesn't matter one jot what your other hand is doing.

Good example would be Leap of Faith in Rocklands. Some people keep their left hand on but there's no way that's not a dyno.

I'll give you, that does rule out Deliverance if done the high foot way. And Fluide.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: dave on October 06, 2017, 08:40:56 am
Nah, there's loads of moves in climbing where both feet come off but one comfortably stays on, these are not dynos, they are slaps.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Bradders on October 06, 2017, 08:51:15 am
There are loads more problems on steeper boulders where you launch for a hold and three points come off - that doesn't make them dynos.

I think the second part of the definition takes care of this, i.e. there's usually a physical possibility of doing the move static but it's easier/more efficient to basically deadpoint. Either that or that kind of move simply involves holding a cut loose as opposed to jumping. If you do have to jump though (where your feet are fully off before latching the destination hold), then it's a dyno.

So the definition would be where (1) the move leaves you with either one hand or no points of contact, and/or (2) where there is physically no possibility of doing the move statically.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Stabbsy on October 06, 2017, 09:30:01 am
Jason Myers wrote an article in OTE some years ago (20+ years ago maybe, not long after Brad Pit FA) where he defined different types of dynamic moves. I'll try and find it when I'm back at home as I can't quite remember the details. It was something like 3 points of contact during the move was a slap, 2 points was a jump and 1 point was a dyno. Or maybe no points was a dyno and I'm missing a level somewhere.  Either way, I think I concluded that there's very few Myers dynos out there.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: tommytwotone on October 06, 2017, 10:27:50 am
I'll give you, that does rule out Deliverance if done the high foot way...


Speak for yourself...never got any further than tickling the top with my hand but I was definitely all points of contact off!

Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Will Hunt on October 06, 2017, 10:54:19 am
Can a mod just rename this post to Yorkshire Dynamics and can get back on track?

I would quite like to see that mag article though.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: nic mullin on October 06, 2017, 11:01:31 am
Jason Myers wrote an article in OTE some years ago (20+ years ago maybe, not long after Brad Pit FA) where he defined different types of dynamic moves. I'll try and find it when I'm back at home as I can't quite remember the details. It was something like 3 points of contact during the move was a slap, 2 points was a jump and 1 point was a dyno. Or maybe no points was a dyno and I'm missing a level somewhere.  Either way, I think I concluded that there's very few Myers dynos out there.

Quality article...I'll definitely wad anyone who can find a copy and stick a scan up here.

I think it went:

3 points on - slap
2 points - lunge
1 point - jump
all points off - dyno

He gave examples of each type of move (mostly that people commonly called the wrong thing by his nomenclature) with harsh commentary as to why people called them dynos - "there's no move in existence where you can keep 3 points of contact that can't be done statically...unless you're too weak or technically inept"... or something along those lines.

For me deliverance is a bit borderline - I think my right hand usually comes off the sidepull, but I don't think it needs to. I doubt it's much more than five feet between the sidepull and the top, so should be reachable by most people. It is definitely not in Yorkshire though so  :offtopic:
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: andy_e on October 06, 2017, 11:11:16 am
Also, if anybody can confound the matter by finding the video of Ian Vickers mantling a dyno in the world cup, that would also be appreciated.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Stabbsy on October 06, 2017, 11:48:18 am
Also, if anybody can confound the matter by finding the video of Ian Vickers mantling a dyno in the world cup, that would also be appreciated.
Are you sure it was a World Cup? I think I saw it the other day in Hard Plastic (extra on Hard Grit DVD) from the FIBO. Some of the finest climbing commentary I've ever heard...
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: andy_e on October 06, 2017, 11:52:04 am
Ah, that's it! I'd love to see it again!

Edit: yessss (http://www.slackjaw.co.uk/climbingfilms/climbing_img/hardplastic5.jpg)
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Footwork on October 15, 2017, 12:11:25 pm
Don't think you've had guacamole at Caley
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Rob F on October 17, 2017, 07:36:39 pm
Hope this a bit clearer???

Soss it's big photos / when I upload medium size photo it goes all funny.

Could someone delete the blurry stuff above???

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Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: Will Hunt on October 17, 2017, 08:24:21 pm
Thanks for taking the time, Rob :bow:
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: nic mullin on October 17, 2017, 10:00:36 pm
Thanks Rob, it's as good as I remember it being! Duly wadded.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: 36chambers on October 18, 2017, 10:17:43 am
I genuinely thought the dyno method for Brad Pit was from matched on the start rail straight to the jug.
Title: Re: Yorkshire Dynos
Post by: andy_e on October 18, 2017, 10:28:26 am
I love how the last move gets a grade on its own. I might go to Stanage just to tick that move. Getting to that move might be tricky though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1feGL4CFDf0
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