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Title: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Fiend on March 17, 2021, 07:31:26 pm
It's a fucking shitshow out there. I don't know if ranking the shit Brizzle Stool Scale style will help (you get 3 votes to try to get a more in depth ordering), but it can't hurt, right??







And no, "Fiend's dress sense" is not a 'Current' crime against climbing, it transcends the mere temporal dimension into everlasting aesthetic horror.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: gollum on March 17, 2021, 07:34:38 pm
Tough to limit to just three without upsetting the Overlords
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Fiend on March 17, 2021, 07:38:37 pm
Maybe. It's the first time I've done a multi-vote poll so hopefully it all works out, I can't change the vote numbers now.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: cheque on March 17, 2021, 07:41:32 pm
Where’s the Pink NIAD option?
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: mrjonathanr on March 17, 2021, 07:56:53 pm
Can I just vote for gangsta rap three times consecutively for my quota?
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Fiend on March 17, 2021, 08:12:32 pm
I wish that was an option, it would be useful to show strength of feeling for the most atrocious of climbing sins.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Ged on March 17, 2021, 09:02:09 pm
God damn social media horsecrap where people say "pleased to of (IT'S HAVE YOU FXXXKIN MORONS) sent X completely insignificant route", then cue onslaught of gushing congratulatory messages.

Nobody cares.  Literally nobody cares.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: tomtom on March 17, 2021, 09:50:02 pm
Where was the polls option?
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Teaboy on March 17, 2021, 09:59:32 pm
Can I just vote for gangsta rap three times consecutively for my quota?

I only voted once but it was for the gangsta rap thing (which I don't mind but just not keen on trustifarians using it to appear edgy).

If there was something for hash tagging your sponsors in insta feeds, when you are not sponsored, I'd have voted for that.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Oldmanmatt on March 17, 2021, 10:18:29 pm
Can I just vote for gangsta rap three times consecutively for my quota?

Don’t worry, got your back there.

Actually the rest seem pretty normal really, don’t they?

Or is it only dads of teenagers that have slave to carry everything?

Of course, I’ve never climbed 9b whilst awake, either.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: mrjonathanr on March 17, 2021, 10:49:26 pm
The elephant in the room is, of course, using ‘send’ in any climbing related context. :chair:
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Dexter on March 18, 2021, 07:31:26 am
We're missing the real crime here that is climbing in anything but pink anasazis (or Niads) without prior consumption of a pain au chocolat.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Fiend on March 18, 2021, 08:12:41 am
If there was something for hash tagging your sponsors in insta feeds, when you are not sponsored, I'd have voted for that.
Bloody hell, is that a thing?? Tempted to re-do the entire poll (and swap that in instead of gangsta rap you bunch of daily mail-esque fuddy duddies :p )
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: tomtom on March 18, 2021, 08:26:10 am
Clearly we need a long listing poll for the main poll.

Form a committee Fiend 👍
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Duncan campbell on March 18, 2021, 08:32:59 am
If there was something for hash tagging your sponsors in insta feeds, when you are not sponsored, I'd have voted for that.
Bloody hell, is that a thing?? Tempted to re-do the entire poll (and swap that in instead of gangsta rap you bunch of daily mail-esque fuddy duddies :p )

That is a thing and it’s the worst of all crimes committed in climbing imo
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: abarro81 on March 18, 2021, 08:43:54 am
I think it's safe to say that anything and everything to do with Instagram is the biggest crime against climbing in the last decade
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Fultonius on March 18, 2021, 08:49:35 am
The elephant in the room is, of course, using ‘send’ in any climbing related context. :chair:

Is it ok to use ironically in a faux trustafarian American accent? "like totally send it bro"
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: dunnyg on March 18, 2021, 08:50:56 am
Agreed re instagram. Somone yesterday said to me 'theres a video in my instagram'  about some boulder problem. Its such a black hole of photos/videos, designed for instant consumption, and with shit search functions, which means I will never search back through your fucking beta viddys. Nevermind, as long as you got the likes on the day, its all good.
I saw an freind use #climbing_is_my_passion the other day, and lost all respect.
Wank pile.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Stabbsy on March 18, 2021, 08:52:49 am
Music at the crag, doubly so if played through shit mobile phone speakers. #miserablebastard.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: HarryBD on March 18, 2021, 09:01:04 am
If there was something for hash tagging your sponsors in insta feeds, when you are not sponsored, I'd have voted for that.
Bloody hell, is that a thing?? Tempted to re-do the entire poll (and swap that in instead of gangsta rap you bunch of daily mail-esque fuddy duddies :p )


Sadly yes... It boggles my nut that people want to look like an advert but excuse it if you're getting paid an actual wage. To do it for free is ludicrous. It's endemic in road cycling with people dressed as billboards in exchange for petrol money. This clip comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCvlCv1YDmM
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: SA Chris on March 18, 2021, 09:02:40 am
Agreed re instagram. Somone yesterday said to me 'theres a video in my instagram'  about some boulder problem. Its such a black hole of photos/videos, designed for instant consumption, and with shit search functions, which means I will never search back through your fucking beta viddys. Nevermind, as long as you got the likes on the day, its all good.
I saw an freind use #climbing_is_my_passion the other day, and lost all respect.

"Check my IG Feed, hit me up with a like"

Also "check my bio for more details". I must be too dumb to figure out how to even do this.

I've seen that # used too. WTAF.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Fiend on March 18, 2021, 09:45:10 am
Good analysis chaps. I'm not on insta but it does seem an exceptionally shit way to post videos (tiny size, no useful controls whatsoever).

I have a friend who uses #climbing_is_my_passion all the bloody time.  :chair:
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Will Hunt on March 18, 2021, 09:47:22 am
Agreed re instagram. Somone yesterday said to me 'theres a video in my instagram'  about some boulder problem. Its such a black hole of photos/videos, designed for instant consumption, and with shit search functions, which means I will never search back through your fucking beta viddys. Nevermind, as long as you got the likes on the day, its all good.
I saw an freind use #climbing_is_my_passion the other day, and lost all respect.
Wank pile.

I completely agree but I'm fairly sure the someone was me and, if you'd listened (you choad), I told you that you could put the name of the problem in as a hashtag and it would find the video. There's two posts on Instagram with the hashtag #addioarete because I make a point of hashtagging the problem name and the crag name. The vast majority of cunts don't do this and so, yes, Instagram is a stinking midden of wasted information which cannot easily be recalled.

Not to worry. Alan James is coming to the rescue by incorporating the functionality that Ed GS developed a little while ago. You will soon be able to link Instagram, Youtube, and Vimeo videos to the UKC logbooks.


Using #brandofthebrave on the photo of you doing a lowball V2 traverse is a crime against humanity, let alone climbing.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: RobK on March 18, 2021, 10:10:45 am
OK I'm going to risk the wrath of UKB here and stand up for the insta brigade. It is one of my favourite mediums for perusing climbing related media and for getting me psyched for things. For example, a quick scroll of my feed this morning and I find:

Olly Parkinson doing a cool FA at Earl.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMjfjJ_jGZo/

Tom Bolger going full mutant mode.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMiW39UDdkB/

Owen Davies with some inspiring North Wales shots.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMiMEPRjccO/

Joe Swales on Zoo York.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMh91PSDTsg/

I just don't know how else I would get that variety so easily elsewhere. No, it's not as good youtube/vimeo for beta searching, but for general browsing I think it's far superior. And as Will says, you can search for stuff with hashtags which has often thrown up videos of specific problems for me. The future UKC link sounds great, I know I was big fan of Ed's old site.

Let the puntering commence.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Fiend on March 18, 2021, 10:18:02 am
#insta_is_my_psyche
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Oldmanmatt on March 18, 2021, 10:45:26 am
#insta_is_my_psyche

To be fair, I rather enjoy scrolling through insta and appreciate the slide show aspect of seeing snippets of various locales, people’s adventures and travels.
I quite like seeing some of the people I follow, progress through training regimen or projects etc.

I think social media is what you choose to make it. Don’t like it? Don’t follow it.

Also, never read the comments.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: 36chambers on March 18, 2021, 11:03:46 am
No, it's not as good youtube/vimeo for beta searching, but for general browsing I think it's far superior. And as Will says, you can search for stuff with hashtags which has often thrown up videos of specific problems for me. The future UKC link sounds great, I know I was big fan of Ed's old site.

Let the puntering commence.

Last year I was under some limestone eliminate and I had no idea where it went or what was in, a quick search on my phone for beta came up with nothing. Saw that someone had logged it on UKC recently, found them on instagram, their account was private so I requested to follow, 5 minutes later they had accepted and lo and behold their second most recent post was the beta I was looking for.

I climbed the climb, had a quick scan through their insta to see what it was like, unfollowed them, and continued with my day.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: SA Chris on March 18, 2021, 11:15:47 am

Last year I was under some limestone eliminate and I had no idea where it went or what was in, a quick search on my phone for beta came up with nothing. Saw that someone had logged it on UKC recently, found them on instagram, their account was private so I requested to follow, 5 minutes later they had accepted and lo and behold their second most recent post was the beta I was looking for.

I climbed the climb, had a quick scan through their insta to see what it was like, unfollowed them, and continued with my day.

What a time to be alive.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Bradders on March 18, 2021, 12:10:02 pm
The elephant in the room is, of course, using ‘send’ in any climbing related context. :chair:

Oh my goodness, yes, this!!
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Muesli on March 18, 2021, 12:17:02 pm
The elephant in the room is, of course, using ‘send’ in any climbing related context. :chair:

Oh my goodness, yes, this!!


+1
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Bradders on March 18, 2021, 12:21:57 pm
Not to worry. Alan James is coming to the rescue by incorporating the functionality that Ed GS developed a little while ago. You will soon be able to link Instagram, Youtube, and Vimeo videos to the UKC logbooks.

This is good news, I currently use the bookmark / collections function to save beta that I come across for future problems I'd like to do. Works well but you have to find the videos first which isn't the easiest thing.

I like insta. Recently I've been putting videos of me failing on a project on my stories and it's been nice to have lots of people getting in touch with encouragement and tips.

Obviously my main feed is a glorious display of unmitigated success  :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: SA Chris on March 18, 2021, 12:29:55 pm
In my view the biggest crimes is that a) bouldering is a cool new "thing" and b) that there is something spiritual and mystic about the climbing "experience" or "journey" and "self-discovery" it's not just people dicking about pulling hard on rocks for shits and giggles.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Oldmanmatt on March 18, 2021, 12:49:40 pm
In my view the biggest crimes is that a) bouldering is a cool new "thing" and b) that there is something spiritual and mystic about the climbing "experience" or "journey" and "self-discovery" it's not just people dicking about pulling hard on rocks for shits and giggles.

Oh yeah, esoteric bullshit and transcendental bollocks.
Yep, climbing feels nice.
So does sex, masturbation, a refreshing dip in the ocean and the first coffee of the day, still not found Nirvana...
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: mark s on March 18, 2021, 12:59:16 pm
The elephant in the room is, of course, using ‘send’ in any climbing related context. :chair:

Use of the word bloc is the one that sends me over the edge.

I saw a comment on insta once
"there are some great blocs on that boulder"  my head nearly spun off my shoulders
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: mark s on March 18, 2021, 01:01:57 pm
Another is a mountain climber who manages to worm in he was in the sbs and talk of a K2 winter ascent like it is the greatest achievement ever recorded in the whole of climbing in almost every single post.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Duma on March 18, 2021, 01:10:01 pm
The elephant in the room is, of course, using ‘send’ in any climbing related context. :chair:

No it's not - the Elephant is
MUSIC AT THE CRAG
FUCK OFF YOU SELFISH CUNTS

On the other hand, I rather like that IG is making it harder to search for beta - working out beta is one of the great joys of climbing, and having it available on demand is like cheating at the crossword
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Coops_13 on March 18, 2021, 01:12:46 pm
I’ve mentioned it before but betacache.com fills the void that Ed left. It’s used extensively in the US but has global videos. Another advantage is you don’t have to go to UKC for it (I thought this was a UKC bashing site)?!?
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Will Hunt on March 18, 2021, 01:21:28 pm
I’ve mentioned it before but betacache.com fills the void that Ed left. It’s used extensively in the US but has global videos. Another advantage is you don’t have to go to UKC for it (I thought this was a UKC bashing site)?!?

You're totally right that UKC bashing should be a discipline in itself, but they do have the most comprehensive online database of climbs in the UK. I see that Betacache (which is a trademark infringement against the liquid nitrogen cooled server farm that sits in 36chambers' basement) has got some videos for climbs at a crag (Slipstones) called Bradford...  :-\
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: remus on March 18, 2021, 01:27:33 pm
...they do have the most comprehensive online database of climbs in the UK.

And a feature in the works that lets you add videos to climbs in the logbook.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: SA Chris on March 18, 2021, 01:28:51 pm
The elephant in the room is, of course, using ‘send’ in any climbing related context. :chair:

Use of the word bloc is the one that sends me over the edge.

I saw a comment on insta once
"there are some great blocs on that boulder"  my head nearly spun off my shoulders

Excuse me while i pull my remaining hair out...
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Will Hunt on March 18, 2021, 01:30:11 pm
And a feature in the works that lets you add videos to climbs in the logbook.

Indeed.

Not to worry. Alan James is coming to the rescue by incorporating the functionality that Ed GS developed a little while ago. You will soon be able to link Instagram, Youtube, and Vimeo videos to the UKC logbooks.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: andy popp on March 18, 2021, 01:46:45 pm
The elephant in the room is, of course, using ‘send’ in any climbing related context. :chair:

Use of the word bloc is the one that sends me over the edge.

I saw a comment on insta once
"there are some great blocs on that boulder"  my head nearly spun off my shoulders

Excuse me while i pull my remaining hair out...

We used all kinds of ridiculous lingo in Wales in the 80s, probably much to the bewilderment and disgust of previous generations. I can forgive the young their new inventions.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: 36chambers on March 18, 2021, 01:52:20 pm
Although beta videos on instagram can be a bit of a ballache to (re)find, I imagine most of those clips would never had made it on to the internet in the first place if it wasn't for insta.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: 36chambers on March 18, 2021, 02:08:13 pm
The elephant in the room is, of course, using ‘send’ in any climbing related context. :chair:
Oh my goodness, yes, this!!
+1

I like using "sent/send" and don't really get what the issue is.

Chatting shit climbing lingo is half the fun of being at the crag. I've been trying to use "the big sticky" at every chance I get.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: SA Chris on March 18, 2021, 02:09:14 pm

We used all kinds of ridiculous lingo in Wales in the 80s, probably much to the bewilderment and disgust of previous generations. I can forgive the young their new inventions.

It happened everywhere. Whatever slang someone saw on moving over stone or high 5 was used at the crag the next day. I'm sure shlauky never even made it out of Cape Town https://www.climb.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9426

what Mark refers to makes f-all sense though. - "Some great blocs on that boulder", unless there is actually a large rock on top of another.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: teestub on March 18, 2021, 02:13:07 pm
what Mark refers to makes f-all sense though. - "Some great blocs on that boulder", unless there is actually a large rock on top of another.

I thought bloc (in French) specified the climb rather than the boulder itself?
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: SA Chris on March 18, 2021, 02:27:16 pm
In every context I've seen it used in English (admittedly mostly Watson Guides) bloc has been used to describe a boulder?
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: webbo on March 18, 2021, 03:00:18 pm
You get bloc on some route topos when there’s a Boulder problem crux.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Will Hunt on March 18, 2021, 03:20:54 pm
Although beta videos on instagram can be a bit of a ballache to (re)find, I imagine most of those clips would never had made it on to the internet in the first place if it wasn't for insta.

I mean, yeah, but if you don't know the video exists then it's impossible to find it.

There's nothing like a video to generate interest in a route or a problem, or even an underloved crag, and I think sharing videos of slightly esoteric stuff is really important for drawing traffic away from honeypots and spreading the load. Some people have been commenting on my recent Ruin Bank Woods photos saying the crag looks cool. It's an amazing venue and, honestly, the more it gets cleaned the more there is to do there. There's tonnes of problems along the edge, some of which needs some TLC. But it's difficult to convince people of the quality without showing them stuff. Linking it all to UKC will be a game changer as people will be able to see what's on offer from the comfort of their couch. Have a look at these things from Jack Hustler, completely buried in Instagram. The rising break traverse is supposed to be 7C+ or something - a Steve Dunning problem. The photo is deceptive; it's a big boulder and steep! Caveat - the rock at Ruin Bank often looks gross and green but it's actually really high quality stuff, not as green in the warmer months, and cleans up very easily.

https://www.instagram.com/p/_11mAcsRX0CKUm_ULNOgetJcJhXE7UFEcJYGg0/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTe2su6Acm3R-dbgjPAxvCJ8Vn-rvFAFGgF5Rw0/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFUG7amsRUDFD0Fs-dgvAP7UIR2vqDaoDVp7C00/

https://www.instagram.com/p/zHiqWVMRU-bHgFPw1E3eQwpmOEfX0Icc8cjbs0/

https://www.instagram.com/p/y5SGxfsRQBZxEQxS1aiI8zRDwc5EV5hxJc-yg0/

Then look at this. To my knowledge the only online record of climbing at the mysterious Milking Hole! (Looks a bit rubbish, but the crag gets bigger over to the left).
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIfvOSBjZcPTRb_4P8Hc-l72rB0D2hBgDI7GKc0/
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Dexter on March 18, 2021, 03:24:59 pm
so people should be saying "that bloc has some great looking sends on it"?
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: andy popp on March 18, 2021, 03:31:07 pm
Have a look at these things from Jack Hustler, completely buried in Instagram.

It would help if that account if wasn't set to private.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: cheque on March 18, 2021, 03:39:18 pm
He didn’t say “partially buried”.  ;)
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Will Hunt on March 18, 2021, 03:43:38 pm
Oops!
See! Buried!
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: shark on March 18, 2021, 04:35:47 pm
Throwback to 2017. Such a fun boulder #feelingblessed 

:sick:

I could write an essay
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Will Hunt on March 18, 2021, 04:47:30 pm
Throwback to 2017. Such a fun boulder #feelingblessed 

:sick:

Don't get me started. Seriously. Nobody fucking cares.

I'm glad I have a safe space of friends who understand who I can vent to without upsetting the Insta people and getting called a cyber bully.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Andy F on March 18, 2021, 05:11:28 pm
Isn't everything on f*king instashite an affront to climbing?
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: tomtom on March 18, 2021, 05:12:05 pm
Grading blowhards. In other words people who always shout about how they MUST be right about the grade of a problem failing to grasp that different problems feel different to different people!!

I like the histogram of voted grades you get on peakbouldering/UKC - for me that’s the fairest way to allow a grade to settle. 
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Coops_13 on March 18, 2021, 05:31:57 pm
An example of a good use of IG for climbing, sharing memories and climbs that haven't been publicised much. Colorado's answer to the Toit du cul de chien: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkRZ-sDMDA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Cannot wait for the Red Feather guide to come out (and fingers to be working again)...
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: SA Chris on March 18, 2021, 06:39:54 pm
An example of a good use of IG for climbing, sharing memories and climbs that haven't been publicised much. Colorado's answer to the Toit du cul de chien: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkRZ-sDMDA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Cannot wait for the Red Feather guide to come out (and fingers to be working again)...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMav6PYj-uV/ that looks amazing, just wondering why the #cameronpeakfire needs a hashtag.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Wood FT on March 18, 2021, 08:40:31 pm
Throwback to 2017. Such a fun boulder #feelingblessed 

:sick:

Don't get me started. Seriously. Nobody fucking cares.

I'm glad I have a safe space of friends who understand who I can vent to without upsetting the Insta people and getting called a cyber bully.

Yes. The use of the term fun grinds my gears.

I don’t want fun. Fun is a log-flume. I want an experience I find hard to explain so keep chasing it.

Fun problem
Fun route
Fun trip to the Sainsburys
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Duncan campbell on March 19, 2021, 07:09:47 am
WTF WFT! I thought we’d had loads of fun together  :'(
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Wood FT on March 19, 2021, 07:11:05 am
WTF WFT! I thought we’d had loads of fun together  :'(

I'm sure you'll agree when you climb with me, it's an experience.
Title: Re: Top Ten Current Crimes Against Climbing
Post by: Duncan campbell on March 19, 2021, 07:45:01 am
WTF WFT! I thought we’d had loads of fun together  :'(

I'm sure you'll agree when you climb with me, it's an experience.

It’s certainly an experience I find hard to describe
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