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Title: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: remus on May 08, 2021, 04:17:28 pm
UKBs resident knee barring lankster has finished off his Kilnsey proj.

https://www.instagram.com/p/COnZ92XjA0p/
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Andy F on May 08, 2021, 04:41:24 pm
Kranko comes to Kilnsey is a better name  ;)
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Fiend on May 08, 2021, 04:42:15 pm
Not bad some some lump of lank moaning about his fucked fingers and about to take up snooker or sewing or something!!  :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Doylo on May 08, 2021, 04:59:57 pm
What a fuckin cry baby fraud.  Starting threads about career ending injuries then climbs 9a. I can’t climb 7a , 7 months on you cunt.

ps Nice1
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Duma on May 08, 2021, 06:13:25 pm
Looks ace! Nice one Barrows
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: mr chaz on May 09, 2021, 09:50:38 am
 climbs 9a purely to troll UKB  :bow:
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Yossarian on May 09, 2021, 02:04:58 pm
This has totally ruined the plot of the (admittedly unfinished) Güllich Legacy, in which the heroic Level 9 Lattice operatives were due to be dispatched to track down and destroy the work of the renegade perma-on-holiday Gresh and Emmett. Not collaborate on routes and bring their Level 9 status into question with slash grades...
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: tomtom on May 09, 2021, 02:18:53 pm
Slash grade was a master stroke Alex 👍👍
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Stu Littlefair on May 09, 2021, 05:17:16 pm
As I said to Alex at the foundry yesterday, whilst he was complaining his finger wouldn’t let him climb anything, slash grades are for cowards.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Wood FT on May 09, 2021, 06:50:09 pm
As I said to Alex at the foundry yesterday, whilst he was complaining his finger wouldn’t let him climb anything, slash grades are for cowards.

Agreed. He's got splinters in the arse.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: abarro81 on May 09, 2021, 07:57:01 pm
8c++ it is then  ;D
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Andy F on May 09, 2021, 08:00:27 pm
Shouldn't that be 8c+/+   ;)
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Dexter on May 10, 2021, 08:09:33 am
How about 9a-?
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: tomtom on May 10, 2021, 08:15:56 am
V3 😁
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Fiend on May 10, 2021, 08:43:08 am
Benchmark F8d ofc
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: SA Chris on May 10, 2021, 08:46:48 am
What a fuckin cry baby fraud.  Starting threads about career ending injuries then climbs 9a. I can’t climb 7a , 7 months on you cunt.
Aye, all that tea and sympathy clearly a waste of our fucking time.

Nice one Barrowsboy.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Nike Air on May 11, 2021, 08:41:57 am
Good stuff Alex.

What made you able to do this with a bad finger injury?
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2021, 08:54:45 am
Undeserved good karmic energy sent by the UKB collective.

Not making that mistake again. Will revert to slagging off.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: abarro81 on May 11, 2021, 10:02:49 am
What made you able to do this with a bad finger injury?

No small holds for the RH! I think I crimp once on the RH on the whole thing, and that's only an intermediate on Epic..

The finger is weird - e.g. in Franken last autumn (before the steroid injections) I found a bunch of 8cs I could climb, but also had to bail on lots of easier things after one go up fondling holds because I'd find something dangerous. The finger has actually quite liked trying this thing for the past month - I think long routes are good because you don't do any single move too many times (it seems to really object to repetition, which makes indoors and training both challenging) and I was just doing short sessions when not on the route. Got pretty lucky really, can't imagine there are many other hard routes/projects I could try in the UK right now. Couple of others in that roof but nothing at Malham or in the Peak or even in most other roofs (back when I had a play on a damp Aladdin/KoT a couple of years ago that first rh hold in the crux was tweaky on the finger even when it was in quite good shape, now it would be very much a no-go). Pity I don't live in Rodellar really! I wondered about Dark Energy but on the vid of Robins it looks like he crimps his RH quite a few times - were you the same?

Did some pretty novel train-around-the-finger over the winter, e.g. I couldn't do aero cap/ARC on the fingerboard (even using jugs) because the volume aggravated the joint so I would spend 1hr+ cycling round a powerball, juggling (surprising amount of forearm bloodflow!), wrist-curls of dumbells with no weights, 1kg bicep curls/flys/press and bouts on a Compex. Probably not as good for the finger as just resting but did let me keep some base fitness work going. I recently tried to convince a GB team member that juggling was the way forward for ARCing but they looked a little sceptical  :lol:

Plus yeah, the positive UKB vibes and realization that road cycling was my next best option probably spurred me on to override the finger  ;)
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Fultonius on May 11, 2021, 10:11:42 am
What made you able to do this with a bad finger injury?


The finger is weird - e.g. in Franken last autumn (before the steroid injections) I found a bunch of 8cs I could climb, but also had to bail on lots of easier things after one go up fondling holds because I'd find something dangerous. The finger has actually quite liked trying this thing for the past month - I think long routes are good because you don't do any single move too many times (it seems to really object to repetition, which makes indoors and training both challenging) and I was just doing short sessions when not on the route. Got pretty lucky really, can't imagine there are many other hard routes/projects I could try in the UK right now. Couple of others in that roof but nothing at Malham or in the Peak or even in most other roofs (back when I had a play on a damp Aladdin/KoT a couple of years ago that first rh hold in the crux was tweaky on the finger even when it was in quite good shape, now it would be very much a no-go). Pity I don't live in Rodellar really! I wondered about Dark Energy but on the vid of Robins it looks like he crimps his RH quite a few times - were you the same?

Did some pretty novel train-around-the-finger over the winter, e.g. I couldn't do aero cap/ARC on the fingerboard (even using jugs) because the volume aggravated the joint so I would spend 1hr+ cycling round a powerball, juggling (surprising amount of forearm bloodflow!), wrist-curls of dumbells with no weights, 1kg bicep curls/flys/press and bouts on a Compex. Probably not as good for the finger as just resting but did let me keep some base fitness work going. I recently tried to convince a GB team member that juggling was the way forward for ARCing but they looked a little sceptical  :lol:

Plus yeah, the positive UKB vibes and realization that road cycling was my next best option probably spurred me on to override the finger  ;)

Have you actually tried controlled progressive loading of the bad finger? I don't see any current thinking saying resting ever improves long term injuries. Maybe your last month has just been giving it the right amount of loading to start getting it strong again?

Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Paul B on May 11, 2021, 10:29:06 am
Did some pretty novel train-around-the-finger over the winter, e.g. I couldn't do aero cap/ARC on the fingerboard (even using jugs) because the volume aggravated the joint so I would spend 1hr+ cycling round a powerball, juggling (surprising amount of forearm bloodflow!), wrist-curls of dumbells with no weights, 1kg bicep curls/flys/press and bouts on a Compex. Probably not as good for the finger as just resting but did let me keep some base fitness work going. I recently tried to convince a GB team member that juggling was the way forward for ARCing but they looked a little sceptical  :lol:

I'd give you 9a just for the commitment.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: abarro81 on May 11, 2021, 10:40:34 am
[Have you actually tried controlled progressive loading of the bad finger? I don't see any current thinking saying resting ever improves long term injuries. Maybe your last month has just been giving it the right amount of loading to start getting it strong again?

I spent Jan/Feb/Mar doing that and made very little progress. There was a fairly major complication there though - I had ~2 months during that period with fluctuating flare-ups of swelling in the adjacent (uninjured) index finger. This seemed to have a knock-on effect of causing major swelling in the injury (presumably because it's sensitised to any inflammatory chemicals?) and a really strong 24hr cycles of swelling irrespective of what I'd done on it in terms of loading/resting. They ran a bunch of tests but couldn't work out the cause - looks a bit like a skin infection but isn't that, looks a bit like rheumatoid arthritis but not quite and markers came back negative, looks a bit like gout but marker came back negative... still undiagnosed at the moment but has gone away for now. I've had it a few times 2014-2018 but those times only for a 1-2 week bout then gone away again for 6-24 months (and I was less injured back then so it didn't seem to drive swelling in that knuckle in the same way). Only ever happens in winter too.

I'm going to go into a "performless" phase this summer to see if I can make progress on it if I put aside any real focus on training or sending for a good block of time (both of which encourage me to push it a bit too hard). The flare-up in the index has resolved (for this bout at least) so hopefully this will give me the opportunity to make progress. I think I would have made good progress in Jan/Feb/Mar apart from that - I felt like I was getting somewhere the first 3-4 weeks until that swelling came on in mid/late Jan and sent the injury totally nuts for the next 2 months. The big challenge isn't getting the knuckle under control (I know this is possible by sticking within my comfort zone), but then managing to expand the comfort zone without it responding badly. Had an interesting chat with Stu about this recently as he's had an issue with some similar behaviour - where there seems to be an unusually fine line to tread even if the principle is the same as normal. Dropping some money on a private MRI to rule out anything untoward having been missed in the joint as well..
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2021, 10:58:31 am

I'd give you 9a just for the commitment.

This made me google what a Compex is, this was the first thing that came up.

https://www.compex.com/uk/compex-ayre

Had visions of Barrows walking up to the Cove in a pair of these looking like Wallace in The Wrong Trousers.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Stu Littlefair on May 11, 2021, 11:10:34 am
Sadly not, he's just been sat on the sofa, electrocuting himself whilst watching Downton Abbey
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Paul B on May 11, 2021, 11:21:23 am
Sadly not, he's just been sat on the sofa, electrocuting himself whilst watching Downton Abbey

Did he at least have a Bruno style restraint system?
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Fultonius on May 11, 2021, 12:36:36 pm
[Have you actually tried controlled progressive loading of the bad finger? I don't see any current thinking saying resting ever improves long term injuries. Maybe your last month has just been giving it the right amount of loading to start getting it strong again?

I spent Jan/Feb/Mar doing that and made very little progress. There was a fairly major complication there though - I had ~2 months during that period with fluctuating flare-ups of swelling in the adjacent (uninjured) index finger. This seemed to have a knock-on effect of causing major swelling in the injury (presumably because it's sensitised to any inflammatory chemicals?) and a really strong 24hr cycles of swelling irrespective of what I'd done on it in terms of loading/resting. They ran a bunch of tests but couldn't work out the cause - looks a bit like a skin infection but isn't that, looks a bit like rheumatoid arthritis but not quite and markers came back negative, looks a bit like gout but marker came back negative... still undiagnosed at the moment but has gone away for now. I've had it a few times 2014-2018 but those times only for a 1-2 week bout then gone away again for 6-24 months (and I was less injured back then so it didn't seem to drive swelling in that knuckle in the same way). Only ever happens in winter too.

I'm going to go into a "performless" phase this summer to see if I can make progress on it if I put aside any real focus on training or sending for a good block of time (both of which encourage me to push it a bit too hard). The flare-up in the index has resolved (for this bout at least) so hopefully this will give me the opportunity to make progress. I think I would have made good progress in Jan/Feb/Mar apart from that - I felt like I was getting somewhere the first 3-4 weeks until that swelling came on in mid/late Jan and sent the injury totally nuts for the next 2 months. The big challenge isn't getting the knuckle under control (I know this is possible by sticking within my comfort zone), but then managing to expand the comfort zone without it responding badly. Had an interesting chat with Stu about this recently as he's had an issue with some similar behaviour - where there seems to be an unusually fine line to tread even if the principle is the same as normal. Dropping some money on a private MRI to rule out anything untoward having been missed in the joint as well..

Gotcha. Complicated!

Dad had RA for 20 years, resorted to self medicating with Hyperbaric Oxygen. Always kept any flare ups at bay. Worth considering during next flare up? Synovial fluid has very poor vascularisation, and HBOT (in theory)  helps due to the diffusion of oxygen in the plasma. The theory is that it blocks the hypoxia induced factors that cause the flare ups. Or something like that.

Or it could just be an expensive (actually, not a that expensive if you can find a local MS therapy centre...) but very low risk placebo.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Nike Air on May 11, 2021, 12:55:20 pm
Glad that was the case for you Alex, must be frustrating but to find something that you can enjoy is brilliant.

Dark energy.. I can't recall any small holds that need crimping. Maybe at the very end there is a right hand side pull that requires pulling on a bit to allow you to throw your feet around. 3:20

https://youtu.be/Un1Nm0NZE2I

Im currently nursing an A4 pulley from liquid ambar and its a annoying to have to take a. step back, second guess possible route choices that are sensible.

But I've only had 15 days of this... Not really comparable I say
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: abarro81 on May 11, 2021, 03:26:30 pm
Sorry to hear about the finger Jordan, will keep my fingers crossed it heals up quick. Try to remember to take it easy now so that it heals quicker overall (so easy to say, so hard to do!)

Sounds like Dark Energy might be worth a look at least to see if it's ok on the knuckle, thanks
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Nike Air on May 11, 2021, 11:31:26 pm
Wise advice, it's never a good time but especially pap when a good run of form, leading to particular goals gets punctuated by injury.

There's always the mountain bike I guess....

Dark energy might be wet where it tops out but you can get a flavor for the meat of it whilst that starts drying out, but don't go on humid or particularly hot days as it will probably be a smeg fest and you will be sad.
I did once ab off from the road up top with a spade to dig out a bit of the hillside above the route to encourage drying. It worked bbeautifully for a time but its possible it may need doing again.
Plenty of routes for Ella too and it's just a stunning place to hang out with a book, a fishing rod and or to have a swim.

Just check the seals have left before you go or they will bite you.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Alex-the-Alex on May 12, 2021, 11:42:39 am

I spent Jan/Feb/Mar doing that and made very little progress. There was a fairly major complication there though - I had ~2 months during that period with fluctuating flare-ups of swelling in the adjacent (uninjured) index finger. This seemed to have a knock-on effect of causing major swelling in the injury (presumably because it's sensitised to any inflammatory chemicals?) and a really strong 24hr cycles of swelling irrespective of what I'd done on it in terms of loading/resting. They ran a bunch of tests but couldn't work out the cause - looks a bit like a skin infection but isn't that, looks a bit like rheumatoid arthritis but not quite and markers came back negative, looks a bit like gout but marker came back negative... still undiagnosed at the moment but has gone away for now. I've had it a few times 2014-2018 but those times only for a 1-2 week bout then gone away again for 6-24 months (and I was less injured back then so it didn't seem to drive swelling in that knuckle in the same way). Only ever happens in winter too.

I'm going to go into a "performless" phase this summer to see if I can make progress on it if I put aside any real focus on training or sending for a good block of time (both of which encourage me to push it a bit too hard). The flare-up in the index has resolved (for this bout at least) so hopefully this will give me the opportunity to make progress. I think I would have made good progress in Jan/Feb/Mar apart from that - I felt like I was getting somewhere the first 3-4 weeks until that swelling came on in mid/late Jan and sent the injury totally nuts for the next 2 months. The big challenge isn't getting the knuckle under control (I know this is possible by sticking within my comfort zone), but then managing to expand the comfort zone without it responding badly. Had an interesting chat with Stu about this recently as he's had an issue with some similar behaviour - where there seems to be an unusually fine line to tread even if the principle is the same as normal. Dropping some money on a private MRI to rule out anything untoward having been missed in the joint as well..

Hi Alex, this is probably daft, but have you considered whether it could be strange form of chilblains? Maybe complicated by a history of hard climbing and regular loading? Ive had a similar problem affect me the last two winters. Sore inflamed sausage fingers, often after bouldering, that would last a few weeks at a time. It would start in a knuckle and spread to initially unnafected fingers and the tendons between knuckles. It would go from sore to red, heated, itchy and painful, and most recenty this winter, to almost blister like sores. I got tested for rheumatoid signals and got nothing. The gp remains uncertain and reffered me to a consultant. Typically its now warmed up and im climbing fine again with no effects to show the consultant. Im starting to think the cold, both from climbing and spending hours immobile in a near baltic home office, have been the main triggers. Funnily enough mum had similar effects every winter when she lived in a freezing old farmhouse in France.

I find it really hard to warm my hands up when climbing in the cold. In the past that doesnt seem to have been a problem and id happily crank on numb fingers. But now i seem to be much more sensistive and even easier sessions on cold fingers seem to set off the swelling. Not sure what the solution is other than massive mits/hot water bottle/winter migration.

Anyway, probably a load of anecdotal rubbish and totally unrelated, but thought Id share.

Nice one on the route.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: SA Chris on May 12, 2021, 12:45:08 pm
AtA that sounds like some form of Reynauld's?

My partner gets it, to the point where she never leaves the house to go for a run without gloves in a pocket on all but the warmest days. I believe there are hereditary links.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Alex-the-Alex on May 12, 2021, 01:55:52 pm
AtA that sounds like some form of Reynauld's?

My partner gets it, to the point where she never leaves the house to go for a run without gloves in a pocket on all but the warmest days. I believe there are hereditary links.

Cheers Chris, possibly, but without the severe colour change/loss. Secondary raynauds appears to be caused by underlying factors, and i did wonder if finger injuries/loading could amount to that. The GP didnt think so though.

I definetely inherited mums piss-poor circulation and low blood pressure.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: abarro81 on May 12, 2021, 04:42:08 pm
Sore inflamed sausage fingers, often after bouldering, that would last a few weeks at a time. It would start in a knuckle and spread to initially unnafected fingers and the tendons between knuckles. It would go from sore to red, heated, itchy and painful, and most recenty this winter, to almost blister like sores. I got tested for rheumatoid signals and got nothing. The gp remains uncertain and reffered me to a consultant. Typically its now warmed up and im climbing fine again with no effects to show the consultant.

Interesting - the bold parts describes my symptoms pretty well. I also had a referral a few years back to rheumatology but like you the symptoms had gone by the time I got the appointment. Similarly I also don't get the major colour change/loss that people with Reynaud's often seem to have. I can get v cold hands without having a flareup, and get flare-up when it's not that grimly cold, but it does only ever seem to be winter so maybe it's cumulative cold over multiple weeks/months?

If you discover anything or find any magic to stop it coming back I'd be keen to know! Likewise will try to remember to message you on here if I find anything that might be useful..
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Alex-the-Alex on May 12, 2021, 11:31:47 pm
. I also had a referral a few years back to rheumatology but like you the symptoms had gone by the time I got the appointment. Similarly I also don't get the major colour change/loss that people with Reynaud's often seem to have. I can get v cold hands without having a flareup, and get flare-up when it's not that grimly cold, but it does only ever seem to be winter so maybe it's cumulative cold over multiple weeks/months?

If you discover anything or find any magic to stop it coming back I'd be keen to know! Likewise will try to remember to message you on here if I find anything that might be useful..

The bloods were taken during the last bout of swelling and still showed no rheumatoid signals. Ive taken photos and notes of dates whenever it's happened this winter which has helped with the gp/consultant. Similarly I've found it's not every time they get cold, but enough to make me think it's related.

Will do.
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on May 13, 2021, 04:21:17 am
Replying to A the A, so, sorry to A B, if this is heading in the wrong direction.

What you describe, I'm really familiar with, and yes, have those symptoms - apart from the "climbing fine again" bit - typically when it's been really cold, not putting heating on in the house, and clearing condensation/ice from windows!
Title: Re: Preposterous Tales, 8c+/9a FA for Alex Barrows
Post by: Alex-the-Alex on May 13, 2021, 11:30:29 pm

What you describe, I'm really familiar with, and yes, have those symptoms - apart from the "climbing fine again" bit - typically when it's been really cold, not putting heating on in the house, and clearing condensation/ice from windows!

Climbing fine but no fine climbing. Sorry to hear it though.. it's pretty debilitating when the sausage fingers strike...
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