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the shizzle => bouldering => Topic started by: Danny on September 03, 2009, 03:54:29 pm
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Has anyone had a shot at making one of those kneebar pad type jobbies?
I need one to milk a rest on a project route, and thought I’d have a go at making it proper Gucci.
So, where can I buy stealth rubber, what glue should I use, and is it best to use straps or one of those knee support things?
Any other tips would be much appreciated.
Cheers all.
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And i wouldn't get the ones with straps on.
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Cheers.
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Dan V has a genius homemade one constructed from a butchered Anastasi velcro with buckles attached
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you ll be a roof warrior with that thing for sure!!! Nice bit of carpet on the back of the knee...
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isn't the heel meant to be on your knee?
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I have a neoprene leg thingy. It works ok, but I'm sure it could be improved with tape and stealth rubber if I was inclined that way
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knee pads from b&q?
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9371876&fh_view_size=10&fh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB&fh_search=knee+pad&fh_eds=%C3%9F&isSearch=true (http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9371876&fh_view_size=10&fh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB&fh_search=knee+pad&fh_eds=%C3%9F&isSearch=true)
dont do the version i have for the diy but once you're done can easily unstrip the velcro to finish the route
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Sometimes you disgust me :lol:
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I believe judge banks made a kneebar for their trip to rocklands - think it was something like a neoprene support with a shit load of that shoo goo stuff spread on it. I'm sure he'll elaborate when they're back (next week?).
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thought I’d have a go at making it proper Gucci.
You'll be needing some of this (http://www.windycityfabrics.com/gucciold.htm) then. 8)
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I believe judge banks made a kneebar for their trip to rocklands - think it was something like a neoprene support with a shit load of that shoo goo stuff spread on it. I'm sure he'll elaborate when they're back (next week?).
Dylan has one the same, it seems pretty good. I wondered how it'd work with some of that non slip rubber dotty sheet you can get for dashboards etc, shoe goo should stop it disintegrating, maybe.
Apart from the upskill offerings, are there any other pro-solutions? I understand 5.10 made some but it was suggested this wouldn't make it into production?
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Talking to Barrows recently at the tor about knee pads and he produced one of these http://www.libertymountainclimbing.com/shop/product.asp?p=9296&pg=1&c=2317&o=0&s=2 (http://www.libertymountainclimbing.com/shop/product.asp?p=9296&pg=1&c=2317&o=0&s=2)
Size small fitted my sparrow legs perfectly. It's a neoprene pad with velcro straps and what seemed like a very sticky rubber pad. The rubber extends well down over the knee which is good for those tenuous knee bars.
Unfortunately the above supplier doesn't ship to UK. I'm working on a few other suppliers in US.
Good opportunity for a UK importer to pick these up....Betaclimbing (Rob)?
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Yeah, I got given that one and it seems decent, though the Americans all rate the ones from Rock and Resole in Colorado as the best. Unfortunately that doesn't help us brits much. I emailed 5.10 about rubber sheets to make my own, and they said talk to the resole people, however no-one seems to have the appropriate stuff in stock at the moment...
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(http://fiveten.com/images/stories/jreviews/tn/tn_12519_9430-01-1327597789.jpg)
The Five Ten Neon Kneebar is guaranteed to downgrade climbs. We’ve backed a super sticky layer of Stealth Mystique Rubber with a working micro-porous synthetic liner. The snug fitting Neon is ergonomically engineered to allow full knee articulation while protecting and clinging to any angle rock.
http://fiveten.com/products/accessories-detail/12519-neon-knee-bar (http://fiveten.com/products/accessories-detail/12519-neon-knee-bar)
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Know anywhere stocking them?
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I can't find one in the US
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Not really homemade now is it!
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Know anywhere stocking them?
I got the link from Drew, but no.
I've given CragX a nudge, it might be worth expressing your interest too. Given its FiveTen we might just about be able to get one before the Cornice is going out of season again.
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Be careful ordering the 5.10 pad. I've tried the one that's been floating round Sheffield for a while, but couldn't fit it on my thigh and was several inches off doing the straps up.
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I (actually, my Mum) made my own bespoke kneepad from neoprene and a thin (2mm) sheet of Vibram rubber.
(http://slittlefair.staff.shef.ac.uk/images/kneepad.jpg)
Has been extensively tested and works well. I have enough vibram/neoprene left over to make another 5 or so of these, and would be willing to take orders if anyone's keen. I'd need to charge to cover the costs and use of my mum's time - say £25 each? Let me know if anyone's keen
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Yeah, I got given that one and it seems decent, though the Americans all rate the ones from Rock and Resole in Colorado as the best. Unfortunately that doesn't help us brits much. I emailed 5.10 about rubber sheets to make my own, and they said talk to the resole people, however no-one seems to have the appropriate stuff in stock at the moment...
Stop being useless - i gave you the number of my mate with a 1m^2 sheet of spare 5.10 rand rubber. He's in Sheffield every fri-sunday so there's no reason not to get some off him and make your own.
To the OP. I've a decathlon thigh support with 2mm of 5.10 rubber shoo-goo'd to the outside, and to make it really guchi, 2mm of foam from my kayak knee brace on the inside. Lush!
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Hi Stu
I attempted to PM you from my phone but not sure if it worked. I'd take one of your mum's pads if she makes more. Cheers.
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but couldn't fit it on my thigh and was several inches off doing the straps up.
Have you got monsterous thighs or something?
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Was browsing an old US Climbing mag and noticed this
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab54/rowiebee/chris%20pics/img-201110937-0001.jpg)
Might be of some us, hope it's readable. Save it to your browser and zoom if not, it's a high res scan, so should be OK.
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but couldn't fit it on my thigh and was several inches off doing the straps up.
Have you got monsterous thighs or something?
Xenia Onatopp was my mam.
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The Five Ten ones are on sale in the UK (http://www.bananafingers.co.uk/five-ten-neon-knee-bar-pad-p-1315.html)
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This is my home effort for a route project i've got,works a treat. Jean/ rubber combo
(http://i40.tinypic.com/14wzs3s.jpg)
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The Five Ten ones are on sale in the UK (http://www.bananafingers.co.uk/five-ten-neon-knee-bar-pad-p-1315.html)
Get them from our beautiful sponsors the Depot :kiss2: or else :boxing:
http://www.theclimbingdepot.co.uk/blogs/depot-shop/five-ten-neon-knee-bar-pad-in-stock (http://www.theclimbingdepot.co.uk/blogs/depot-shop/five-ten-neon-knee-bar-pad-in-stock)
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Do they have them in a large?
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(http://fiveten.com/images/stories/jreviews/tn/tn_12519_9430-01-1327597789.jpg)
The Five Ten Neon Kneebar is guaranteed to downgrade climbs. We’ve backed a super sticky layer of Stealth Mystique Rubber with a working micro-porous synthetic liner. The snug fitting Neon is ergonomically engineered to allow full knee articulation while protecting and clinging to any angle rock.
http://fiveten.com/products/accessories-detail/12519-neon-knee-bar (http://fiveten.com/products/accessories-detail/12519-neon-knee-bar)
Well I managed to pick up one of these. Supposedly they're selling like hotcakes, but there'll be one more for sale shortly.
I was fairly disapointed with the knee pad. This year, all of the (cheating) Peak-based kneebars I've found (at the Cornice) involved the region from just above my kneecap to mid way up my thigh.
I tried the fiveten pad in this position and it was instantly obvious it wasn't going to work. The change from front to back of the pad isn't that angled meaning that when you bend your knee past 90 deg, the rear of the pad starts sticking into the back of the knee.
(http://fiveten.com/images/stories/jreviews/12519_9430-02-1327597790.jpg)
This is made worse by the heavily stitched (and very stiff) pull on loops that finish here and again, stick right into the back of your knee. With my knee completely bent it was pretty uncomfortable as the elastic, and pull on loops were basically loading my collateral ligaments.
It was a bit disapointing as the pad in other aspects looked to be quite good, it has an elasticated neoprene sheath that you pull on and then fasten with velcro, this was fairly snug on me and by fastening the velcro I doubt it'd slip much. The rubber seemed reasonably flexible (more so than the upskill pad) and the stitching was recessed so it'd hopefully take some abuse. Ditto with the pull on loops, I don't think you'd rip one off in a hurry.
I think it'd work perfectly well as a thigh pad (well above the knee) for sticking your legs behind tufa's but for anything else I'm not so sure. Certainly I'll be looking to DIY (or Stu's Mum depending on psych).
Obviously this is just my opinion and it might fit others like a glove.
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You must be getting fat Paul, I tried one last night at the works and thought it was on the large side for my leg 8)
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Most pads tend to slip down onto the knee joint, the thigh is an awkward shape to pad. Sweating and downward pressure in use also tend to push the pad south. I resorted to sticking my homemade pad in place with double sided sticky tape when doing Monumental! One day someone will have a brainwave and invent some sort of braces/suspenders to hold the pad up, and the image of the mincing sport climber will be complete.
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Most pads tend to slip down onto the knee joint
I doubt this would slip much for thigh based use but placing it just above my knee it (badly) interfered with the rear of my knee joint.
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bearing in mind 5:10's legendary quality/sizing control, you may find a different one may be perfect!!
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One day someone will have a brainwave and invent some sort of braces/suspenders to hold the pad up, and the image of the mincing sport climber will be complete.
A couple of piercings like this could be used to tie it in place?
(http://www.cuerpoyarte.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/mr-tetanus-achilles-piercing.jpg)
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Does anybody know where you can buy some vibram or stealth or any suitable rubber to stick on for a homemade one? Much appreciated
Ged
p.s. or anybody have some that they'd be willing to sell?
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You might be able to buy some off a resoler. The only place I've found to buy it is in Germany, with outrageous postage costs.
http://www.extremtextil.de/catalog/Vibram-Grip-sole-and-top-piece-rubber-sheet-7510-1-8mm-black::1810.html?XTCsid=b39d8863765a5fca52af72bd69840c8f
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Can get vibram rand rubber from Llanberis resoles. Possibly 5.10 stuff too, can't remember. Just email and ask for the size you want, cost me about £7 for a pads worth IIRC