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the shizzle => diet, training and injuries => Topic started by: Paul B on May 28, 2019, 11:41:58 am

Title: The Graston Technique
Post by: Paul B on May 28, 2019, 11:41:58 am: On Fri I noticed on FB a female friend (not a climber but she does a LOT of exercise) posted photos and videos of her during/after a massage which used the Graston techinque. I'd never heard of it before but did a bit of reading that night as the photos were quite frankly distrubing (severe and immediate bruising); I struggle(d) to see how it could be deemed beneficial.

Another member of this parish then pointed me at a Tim Emmett Instapost (photos 4 and 5):
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx2TnQwhVZk/

where he's seemingly had the same treatment at Sharma's wall in Spain.

Is there any SCIENCE behind this treatment?
Title: Re: The Graston Technique
Post by: SA Chris on May 28, 2019, 11:51:35 am: Any massage or "remedial therapy" that causes bleeding under your skin can't be good in my view.
Title: Re: The Graston Technique
Post by: duncan on May 28, 2019, 12:00:36 pm: Quote from: Paul B on May 28, 2019, 11:41:58 am
Is there any SCIENCE behind this treatment?

Yes. The science says the more spectacular the theatre, the stronger the placebo.
Title: Re: The Graston Technique
Post by: tomtom on May 28, 2019, 12:01:07 pm: Sounds like a pyramid sales scheme to me.... :)

"special" tools and licenced practioners via a nebulus organisation... hmm...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_treatment_techniques#Graston_technique
Title: Re: The Graston Technique
Post by: Paul B on May 28, 2019, 12:11:10 pm: Quote from: duncan on May 28, 2019, 12:00:36 pm
Yes. The science says the more spectacular the theatre, the stronger the placebo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Q3jZw4FGs

:great:
Title: Re: The Graston Technique
Post by: SA Chris on May 28, 2019, 12:18:24 pm: Quote from: tomtom on May 28, 2019, 12:01:07 pm

"special" tools and licenced practioners via a nebulus organisation... hmm...

remember the film "Dead Ringers"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZHbu3msmes

("Special tools" at 1:00)
Title: Re: The Graston Technique
Post by: petejh on May 28, 2019, 01:26:25 pm: A physio in Canada treated my rotator cuff tear (bad one, 3 of the 4 had tears) using the Graston Technique in 2005 when I lived there. It hurt like hell. It worked. Would other techniques have worked as well, probably, I’ll never know.
The physio was an ex university wrestler who specialises in treating injured shoulders. He was good. He
used the Graston tools because they could get into the rotator cuff scar tissue more effectively than using fingers. I’ve seen plenty of physios both excellent and mediocre, who don’t use Graston, and one excellent physio who does use it.
Title: Re: The Graston Technique
Post by: kelvin on May 28, 2019, 09:18:39 pm: So it seems one of the courses my girlfriend is considering investing in is gua sha - not dissimilar, using different tools.