UKBouldering.com
the shizzle => shootin' the shit => music, art and culture => Topic started by: Houdini on November 13, 2007, 10:39:09 am
-
Balance the critique --
Andy Warhol gets my vote. Übercrass. Outrageously overrated. :wank:
(http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/fosterz/Matisse/Andy%20Warhol-CheGuevara.jpg)
-
The works of L.S.Lowry
I used to really like his stuff. Can't stand it now.
(http://boulderingvideos.googlepages.com/LS-Lowry-Coming-Home-from-the-Mill-1.jpg/LS-Lowry-Coming-Home-from-the-Mill-1-full.jpg)
-
Anything by U2 or Oasis ;)
-
Candle In The Wind
-
Much as I hate to say it, but 'Troutmaskreplica' perhaps - not saying its actually bad, but how often does it actually get listened too vs. its cred rating.. And yes I do own a copy.
-
the shortie has got a poster of this at home, (Klimt's "Da Ki$$") which i think is well nonplus. i mean for fucks sake it looks like he got to the edge of the paper then tried to cram everything in - schoolboy error, it must be the first thing they school you on at art college - make sure your paper is big enough and think ahead. And the rest of it is shit anyway.
(http://www.illusionsgallery.com/kiss-klimt-L.jpg)
i've also never understood why people seem to revere the john lennon's "Imagine" so much. Its mediocre at best, and the fact is often tops Bohemian Rhapsody as the "top song every written" on TV polls i find just proves my theory that the majority of the general public are idiots.
and don't get me started on 15peter20: tadpole.
-
Was going to say Damien Hirst, but he's only rated by a very few, rich :wank: :spank: ers.
However, Uma Thurmans tosser of a cousin, Dash Snow, doesn't even deserve to have his existence acknowledged by anyone, let alone have any kind of reputation as an artist. Mind you, I've never heard anyone call any of his shit a "masterpiece".... what am I rambling about? :off: ?
-
Obviously Salman Rushdie needs a mention in here. Add the book title of your choice - I'm going for "Midnight's Children".
-
Never read him - i started the Satanic Verses purely out of interest from all the controversy but then ditched it pretty quick as it didn't grab me at all.
-
ditched it pretty quick as it didn't grab me at all.
I wish I'd done the same when I started trying to read Midnight's Children. I was a fool to soldier on and I'll never get those hours back.
-
Much as I hate to say it, but 'Troutmaskreplica' perhaps - not saying its actually bad, but how often does it actually get listened too vs. its cred rating.. And yes I do own a copy.
Clear Spot is a much better bet don't you think Andy?
I was going to add Oasis and U2 but Bubba helped me along there. On different cultural themes:
Architecturally: Anything by Peter Eisenman. (Houdini-have you been to the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe?Is this emotive enough for me to revoke Eisenman?)
Sonically: This whole issue could be solved if someone could blow up the NME offices.
Writerly: Hemingway can eat my penis. How any man can write so many pages of bullshit on bullfighting I don't know.
Painterly: Monet can have my balls.
Contemporary: Hirst, I hope your head gets put in Formaldehyde asap.
-
i rate all the above..........the shame.......... :(
-
A fantastic bit of ranting there Tom. Still injured are we? ;)
I'd like to add "Top Gun", "Star Wars" and "StarTrek". Not because they are masterpieces but because I hate them whilst many people seem to love them all.
-
Maybe if I dip my penis in yogurt it'll soften the blow for Hemingway. Actually, I'd like to transfer the sacrifice of my penis to Hirst if that's possible.
-
You'd never guess eh Ben ;) Good nominations by the way lad.
-
the Independent carried a massive two page obit for Mailer yesterday; but reading it it became clear that he wrote one crock after another. I read and enjoyed Naked and the Dead years ago and The Executioner's Song is great but its also clear there were reams and reams of dross. Why is his rep so huge?
Tom, funnily enough I listened to Clear Spot the other day - big eyed beans from venus indeed. I do also like part of 'Troutmask' but judgement was a relative one - i.e. relative to its critical status.
-
The Beatles.
-
A hot potato there JB..
Haven't told it in ages so why not. My father was a firefighter for much of his working life. When he was at a fire at an RAF base in Liverpool in the 70s, a load of filing cabinets had fallen over in the blaze. Of the few that spilled out, he picked one up to see what they were - it turned out to be John Lennons medical record. He still has it to this day although some fraudster in the beatles museum circa 1991 tried to convince him it was only worth 50 quid. Being a wise and shrewd man, my father severed his neck and the fool's existence ceased. And he has the record still to the day. He's now getting requests to appear on weird tv channels to talk about the story but he won't .
Sorry for off topicness.
-
Andy Warhol gets my vote. Übercrass. Outrageously overrated. :wank:
Word on that. Mindless "Emperor's New Clothes" choss.
-
The Beatles.
Can't agree there, though I do think Sargeant Pepper's is massively overrated.
Please, please no-one say Pet Sounds, I know its a cliche but I love that album.
-
Catcher In The Rye
Teenager is pissed at world and fucks about is not a fucking story. Potential novelists note a story has guns and bitches and dragons and wizards and bad guys and good guys and war and love and drugs and sex and loss and gain and this and that in it. Unlike this bag of shit wrapped in shit put in a pool of shit covered with a roof of shit and called a lot of shit.
-
Catcher In The Rye
Teenager is pissed at world and fucks about is not a fucking story. Potential novelists note a story has guns and bitches and dragons and wizards and bad guys and good guys and war and love and drugs and sex and loss and gain and this and that in it. Unlike this bag of shit wrapped in shit put in a pool of shit covered with a roof of shit and called a lot of shit.
Ah, a Proust fan obviously.
-
I think some thing like Warhol and the Beatles have to be seen in the context of their era. They might seem overrated now but at the time there were a breath of fresh air or an exciting new direction.
ps i'm blagging with including warhol there coz i'm not expert on art from that era in any way ;)
-
Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe?
No. Went to the Jewish Cemmetary in Prague once but hey that should be in Neglected Masterpieces --
(http://apartments-in-prague.org/tourist-information/jewish-quarter/jewish-quarter-1.jpg)
-
I think some thing like Warhol and the Beatles have to be seen in the context of their era.
Nah, no truly good music ever has such mass appeal. The gadarene swine normally rush towards dross like Celine Dion and Michael Bolton. Why were they so wise in the sixties?
Andy, Pet Sounds is wonderful. Unlike The Beatles, it has stood the test of time and still sounds fresh.
-
I think there is a lot of genuinely brilliant stuff in the beatles's back catalogue, but also some utter dogshit. I mean most of their earlier stuff was only popular because it was new, but now sounds like just as dismal as most manufactured pop these days. Most of it has got no lyrical or musical interest at all. paperback writer anyone? eight days a week? day tripper? the fuck.
-
Suppose it's the fact that The Beatles are still talked about with such awe and have this air of untouchability to so many that makes em prime targets for the sniper rifle of overratedness. Yes, what they did a long time ago was ground breaking in some ways but most of their records sound dated and bland now. As JB says. There's plenty of music from the same era that still sounds great and doesn't get the same kind of mass adoration.
However, a much more deserving band for spanking with the birch of overrated crapness is The White Stripes. I don't think there's ever been a bigger case of Emporer's New Clothes than this pair of talentless chancers. Some out of tune guitar playing that sounds like Mark & Lard taking the piss backed by "drumming" so poor my 10 month old son does a better job when banging a wooden spoon against his high chair tray all topped off with "quirky" lyrics screamed over the "minimalist" shit to create a cacophony of utter wankness. The NME love them of course. Please fuck off. :spank:
-
I think there is a lot of genuinely brilliant stuff in the beatles's back catalogue, but also some utter dogshit. I mean most of their earlier stuff was only popular because it was new, but now sounds like just as dismal as most manufactured pop these days.
True. The beatles stuff that gets (and got) played the most should be heard the least. The disposable poppy crap that made them their fame and fortune is no better than current poppy crap and poor compared to some of the other astoundingly good stuff on the albums.
-
paperback writer anyone? eight days a week? day tripper? the fuck.
Amen to that. The nadir being, of course, Ob-la-di, oh-blah-daaaah. As far as I'm concerned, any songwriting team throwing this one up have forfeited any claim to genius.
-
on a vaguely related note, upon passing through the foyer of liverpool's john lennon airport recently we noted with amusement the 7foot tall bronze statue of the man himself - specifially the fact that the trademark round spectacles had been stolen (no doubt by some moustachioed shellsuit wearer called "Ba", or "Ga").
-
Pet Sounds...
...is utterly angelic, and in no way deserves to be disrespected. Not ever.
Whilst, by way of a contrast, Eric Clapton's various musical output has always confused me - I mean, why all the fuss about some basic pub rock blues nonsense? :yawn:
-
Dylan.
-
liverpool's john lennon airport
Don't get me started... Who the hell decided that it would be a geat idea to rename Liverpool airport after him? I'm sure Lennon wouldn't have liked the idea, nobody I know here likes the idea. Typical of the culture that seems to feel the need to tag "Beatles" or "Lennon" onto anything Liverpool related.
-
Dylan
I'm not sure its actually possible to rate Dylan higher than he deserves? I agree with Clapton though, two or three classic radio songs and a bunch of blues rock arse. He can sustain though. Don't forget that.
-
Always thought the Mona Lisa was disappointing, too small, but then I know nowt about painting, so maybe, like all the above it's just a matter of opinion.
JB: can you count the Beatles as a Masterpiece, maybe a particular album, but not a group as a whole....
-
I think that enigmatic smile from Mona Lisa is the "I just farted" look.
-
Dylan.
Everything?
-
Everything bar Desire & Nashville Skyline, and being generous Highway 61 Revisited.
Very very patchy and under scrutiny occasionally suspect, petulant.
-
Catcher In The Rye
Teenager is pissed at world and fucks about is not a fucking story. Potential novelists note a story has guns and bitches and dragons and wizards and bad guys and good guys and war and love and drugs and sex and loss and gain and this and that in it. Unlike this bag of shit wrapped in shit put in a pool of shit covered with a roof of shit and called a lot of shit.
Top quality ranting!! You should post stuff on internet forums nik, just the thing that's needed ;)
-
I think Dylan forgot that to be a great singer you actually have to have a small degree of vocal talent, and not an out of tune nasal whine...but hey, I like him in small doses now and again.
-
Dylan has a huge vocal talent, he gets more character into that flat nasal whine than any other pitch perfect 'incredible voice' on the planet. Well he did, its been crap fot he last fifteen years or so I admit.
Yeah his oeuvre is so vast it contains weak areas, but the songwriting throughout is outstanding. I can't think of any other writer who has produced so many quality songs over such a long period.
-
Lady Lay Lay cuts me up yet moments like this are so very few and far between. I'm not convinced he's the poet-seer he's has often been made out to be. To be precise I believe he is, at times, spiritually misguided. He will always appeal to the romantantic optimist. I don't dig that.
I can't think of any other writer who has produced so many quality songs over such a long period.
Neil Young.
John Cage.
To lesser expents:
Terry Stamp.
Roky Ericson (? reaching now)
David Bowie (Stretching full to the max)
Springsteen. (breaking point)
-
In irreverent reply to both JB, Houdini and the thread title...
Jim Steinman
-
Neil Young - I used to think the sun shone out of his arse but now I think he's a whiny, fake, overrated, sentimental sack of shit (apart from Cinammon Girl).
Primal Scream - Screamadelica. It must have been the E's 'cos this and the rest of their entire catalogue is just absolute f*cking rubbish.
Star Wars - When you compare this to Jaws and Close Encounters of the Third Kind you want to weep.
Stone Roses - Fools Gold - What went wrong after the album?
(We had a thread like this a few years back where I nicked a metaphor from Bruce Sterling or someone and described U2 as effectively the event horizon of overratedness, beyond which its impossibly to pass without violating the laws of the universe)
-
To be precise I believe he is, at times, spiritually misguided.
He must be, he bought a house in Nethy Bridge.
-
Terry Stamp.
Roky Ericson (? reaching now)
Don't know these two, John Cage yes but hardly mainstream, none of your others have been going as long as Dylan, and only Neil Young rivals his productivity.
Stone Roses - Fools Gold - What went wrong after the album?
I'm clearly a huge fan, but I think its hard to overrate the Roses. For ratio of songs recorded to real quality they knock every other band clean out of the water.
-
Everything bar Desire & Nashville Skyline, and being generous Highway 61 Revisited.
Very very patchy and under scrutiny occasionally suspect, petulant.
What, no Blonde on Blonde or the ultimate broken heart album: Blood on the Tracks? Surely you can see the value of these?
Falling Down - Can't agree about Neil Young. IMO the genius of the man is the deft way in which he imbues the simplest, almost childlike of lyrics with such soul stirring depth. I also happen to love the way he plays guitar. He is a giant talent; without doubt one of the greatest.
Agree about Primal Scream - the only thing left to admire is their staying power.
I don't think Queen have ever been particularly lauded for producing masterpieces (Bohemian Rhapsody is surely a comedy record?), but I've always detested them. A crass pantomime version of Led Zep (who were already pretty close to the edge of acceptable pantomime).
-
i would be happy to defend warhol. and hemmingway. when i wake up a bit...
my suggestions...
the architecture of terry farrell. it's all awful anyway, but some people seem to rate it.
the architecture of frank gehry - a one trick pony if ever there was one.
the balzac chair - a 90s cliche, and shittily made. sorry sheridan...
opus one - pure californian hype.
the beatles - the best thing that ever happened to them was dj dangermouse.
eminem - i laughed the first time, but these days i would rather listen to a man with diarrhoea. keep taking the vicodin.
fatboy slim - a pantomime horse.
restaurant sat bains - a nest of egos masquerading as a restaurant (i can and did go on...)
can't think of any fiction cos i haven't read anything bad for a while...
-
Herman Hesse, The Glass Bead Game / Magister Ludi.
-
Bringing it down to my cultural level:
Any Sonic the Hedgehog game after 3rd one on the megadrive.
Any Gran Turismo - all shite, just nice light effects, give me Colin Mrcae series anyday
Never really got the concept behind final fantasy either - though I've tried for many an hr...
-
Dylan has a huge vocal talent, he gets more character into that flat nasal whine than any other pitch perfect 'incredible voice' on the planet.
Hmmmm....i think we'll just have to disagree on this point :)
-
Any Gran Turismo - all shite, just nice light effects
No way jose - the GT series is amazing, especially with a wheel/pedals. It's about the only reason i'd buy a PS3...well, and the new Ratchet and Clank of course.
-
For his services to literature I have to nominate Martin Amis - actually I will recommend London Fields to anyone but the book he wrote after that was the biggest pile of trash known to man and I have no doubt that he didn't improve any on subsequent attempts.
bluebrad
-
However, a much more deserving band for spanking with the birch of overrated crapness is The White Stripes. I don't think there's ever been a bigger case of Emporer's New Clothes than this pair of talentless chancers. Some out of tune guitar playing that sounds like Mark & Lard taking the piss backed by "drumming" so poor my 10 month old son does a better job when banging a wooden spoon against his high chair tray all topped off with "quirky" lyrics screamed over the "minimalist" shit to create a cacophony of utter wankness. The NME love them of course. Please fuck off. :spank:
Just to go back to these cunts, I just heard their latest offering on the radio. I was thinking "what's this fucking shite?" and then was informed it was The White Stripes. So no surprises then.
I'm convinced that nobody actually likes them (a couple of their early tunes were ok but then they went rapidly downhill) and that when these muso twats are listening to them they're actually thinking "this is fucking awful but everyone thinks they're so cool so I can't give them a bad review" and this just filters down.
Put it this way, I don't know anyone who likes them as my mates are honest about what music they like and don't follow what's "in".
Am I milking it? Probably. Good. :thumbsdown:
-
Another one occured to me the other day; AC/DC. 5 generic guitar chords, a whiny voice and a crappy chorus. Otherwise all the songs are interchangeable. I'm sure these words are blasphemy to some folk, but they have always bored the hell out of me.
Oh yes, and a school uniform. Crazy.
-
you can't knock "black in black", but i've never listed to any other tunes, i can well imagine its a one trick pony ting.
-
I don't think AC/DC have, or ever will be, a serious band and one can only be disappointed with them if they are regarded as such. I don't think any one regards their work as 'masterpieces', however they are entertaining and easygoing, and their heritage can be seen in more modern aussie bands like the datsuns, and wolfmother.
-
you can't knock "black in black", but i've never listed to any other tunes, i can well imagine its a one trick pony ting.
Black in Black? Is that off the Black Album?
"When asked how much blacker this album can be, the answer would be "it can't""
-
Black in black sounds like a dodgy pr0n movie :shag:
-
For his services to literature I have to nominate Martin Amis - actually I will recommend London Fields to anyone but the book he wrote after that was the biggest pile of trash known to man and I have no doubt that he didn't improve any on subsequent attempts.
bluebrad
not the information? i can't remember myself.
however, i think "dogshit park" is masterpiece material just on its own...
-
Another one occured to me the other day; AC/DC. 5 generic guitar chords, a whiny voice and a crappy chorus. Otherwise all the songs are interchangeable. I'm sure these words are blasphemy to some folk, but they have always bored the hell out of me.
Oh yes, and a school uniform. Crazy.
:agree: More tedious, over rated pantomime shite (see also my comments about Queen). And those lyrical puns - straight out of a Viz cartoon, except not even slightly ironic. Spare me, my sides have split. And I actually like heavy guitar music (not that AC/DC are in any real sense a powerful sounding band), but I have always specifically hated this bunch of comical idiots. In fact I'd forgotten how much I dislike this band until I read your post.
-
Madonna- Utter pish. And she's not even fit, so why publish shitty pr0no books?!?!
Orbison- I drove all night to get away from it. Utter waffle.
That dude that does the "modern" piano stuff- sounds like someone having a seizure on the keyboard. Urgh
Eastenders.
-
Whilst we're on AC/DC how about Motorhead?
One great album; No Sleep 'til Hammersmith and that's about it....
-
Hey Fallingdown, I saw Motorhead last year and if I could still do that at 60 I'd pack in the drink, the drugs and the fags! Still this year he toured with alice cooper and joan jett (notice no capitals), the twat! No I didn't go.
-
Alice Cooper's Hey Stoopid was OK, probably the input from Slash/Satch/SyVy.
Motorhead had a few good tunes, and lots of crap. But I wouldn't say they were mega popular.
Cradle of Filth- utter wank, crap Black metal and only popular due to their nationality.
-
Black in black sounds like a dodgy pr0n movie :shag:
Its the sequel to "Men In Blacks".
CHris - i've checked the track listing and it ain't on.
(http://dieselnation.blogs.com/photos/images/jayz_black_album.jpg)
-
GCW. Maybe if Lemmy wanted to be popular he would have got rid of the warts and spent the '80s wearing pink spandex. Sadly I started climbing because of pictures of hard drinking metal heads wearing pink spandex (and feathers as earrings). Thankfully the pink spandex pants have been locked away since 1990... Shit I might have to try them on.
-
Don't get me wrong, I like Motorhead- Bomber, Motorhead, Killed by Death, Overkill etc etc
But then they brought out Orgasmatron. Oh, dear.
I've seen them live 4 times, my ears haven't been the same since.
Here's one: Hugely over-rated, bigged up and uber-popular but in reality it's utter wank......
Yeah: UK Climbing :lol:
-
Black in black sounds like a dodgy pr0n movie :shag:
Its the sequel to "Men In Blacks".
CHris - i've checked the track listing and it ain't on.
(http://dieselnation.blogs.com/photos/images/jayz_black_album.jpg)
Wrong artist
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004WGVQ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
-
Black in black sounds like a dodgy pr0n movie :shag:
Men in Black Men 2 is quality.
-
Can I have my copy of that back please Monolith?
-
I think the orig line-up Mötörhead are great. Bonn Scott era AC/DC was just fine too. I'm not sure if I'd call either (as they now stand) over-rated, more long-in-the-tooth.
Highway to Hell & Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap and Powerage are excellent recordings.
Alice Cooper, Lovin' it to Death LP is the one to own, great freak/psyche rock.
-
Gershwins' Rhapsody in Blue.
What a repulsive work.