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Title: Massage Guns..
Post by: tomtom on November 18, 2020, 02:23:39 pm
Seen these being used at the wall (pre lockdown) and on some SM posts...

Are they any good? And any recommendations? MrsTT has a permanently sore shoulder and I could get her one for Xmas that I could also ‘borrow’ from time to time ;)
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 18, 2020, 02:56:52 pm
I have the theragun pro which is around £450 so not cheap. Its great on the forearms after getting pumped at crag all day.

Also great after a day out on the bike for leg recovery.

There are cheaper versions but not as powerful. You get what you pay for i guess.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: cheque on November 18, 2020, 03:19:49 pm
My other half (runs 1000+ miles a year, spends quite a lot of the rest of the time rolling, stretching, rubbing etc.) was recommended one by her physio. She’s one of those people who never spends money on herself so I got her one, obviously with making use of it myself in mind as well.  :whistle:

I got her a Theragun Elite which was not cheap but cheaper than Adam’s. Not sure how much of what I’m about to type applies to all the different makes and models available though.

It’s so good, way better than I expected. 15-30 seconds buzzing any area with it seems to be equivalent to at least 60-120 seconds of inexpertly self-massaging with a thumb/ Decathlon plastic nodule/ spiky ball etc. and because it supplies the force you can just casually use it on your own shoulders/ back etc. without having to involve your partner/ roll on the floor/ rub against a closed door like a bear scratching itself. One of my thumbs is kind of fucked so it’s good for reducing wear and tear on that too.

One of the heads is a cone shape and if your forearms are tight, bashing the golfers elbow place with it almost immediately frees it up. My wrists always click the day after I climb/ fingerboard/ do wrist curls etc. and after about 20 seconds of indiscriminately buzzing my forearms with it they don’t click any more. You can basically extend that to any part of the body- it’s really helping me with my ongoing project of trying to regain basic flexibility. Before I stretch I just buzz that muscle with the Theragun first and it feels loads more effective.

Happy to write more about how much I love it if required.  :lol:
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: abarro81 on November 18, 2020, 03:22:15 pm
We have a cheap one (£80 ish IIRC?), seems fine but not used an expensive one to compare... Much less faff than normal self massage, but the noise makes it annoying if you're sat in front of the TV with your partner and one of you is using it.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: SA Chris on November 18, 2020, 03:48:27 pm
We've got one of these https://reviber.co.uk/reviber-zen-physio-deep-tissue-massager/

I really like it, the long handle means I can get decent pressure on back and shoulders.

Available for less than the above at popular online retailers.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: nai on November 18, 2020, 04:34:35 pm
We've got one of these https://reviber.co.uk/reviber-zen-physio-deep-tissue-massager/

I really like it, the long handle means I can get decent pressure on back and shoulders.

Available for less than the above at popular online retailers.
Ah, now I've got one of those. Where you're trying to massage seems most important.
Makes very little impression on big muscles, better off using a lacrosse ball.
Ok on smaller muscles, elbows, forearms, etc but around the shoulder it still feels like a ball gets in deeper, certainly pain levels seem closer to a sports massage  .


Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 18, 2020, 05:11:04 pm
We've got one of these https://reviber.co.uk/reviber-zen-physio-deep-tissue-massager/

I really like it, the long handle means I can get decent pressure on back and shoulders.

Available for less than the above at popular online retailers.
Ah, now I've got one of those. Where you're trying to massage seems most important.
Makes very little impression on big muscles, better off using a lacrosse ball.

Which is why its £69, you get what you pay for.....
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: moose on November 18, 2020, 05:24:19 pm
I have the theragun pro which is around £450 so not cheap. Its great on the forearms after getting pumped at crag all day.

Also great after a day out on the bike for leg recovery.

There are cheaper versions but not as powerful. You get what you pay for i guess.

No direct experience of them but I have noticed that those are the massagers of choice in the NFL where (a) money is presumably no object (b) the players are absolute units, so any massager would have to be pretty penetrating (e.g. the physiological type for an elite "edge rusher" is basically Anthony Joshua with an extra 2-3 stone of solid muscle). 

I've heard that the Theragun Mini is a good cheaper option - only slightly less penetrating, a lot easier to travel with, and "only"around  £175.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 18, 2020, 05:39:44 pm
I have the theragun pro which is around £450 so not cheap. Its great on the forearms after getting pumped at crag all day.

Also great after a day out on the bike for leg recovery.

There are cheaper versions but not as powerful. You get what you pay for i guess.
(b) the players are absolute units,

You've seen me at Kilnsey  ;)  :lol:
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: moose on November 18, 2020, 05:58:02 pm
I have the theragun pro which is around £450 so not cheap. Its great on the forearms after getting pumped at crag all day.

Also great after a day out on the bike for leg recovery.

There are cheaper versions but not as powerful. You get what you pay for i guess.
(b) the players are absolute units,

You've seen me at Kilnsey  ;)  :lol:

Of course, I took a photo of us together to mark the occasion:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz9wQBWVAAAiG5x?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 18, 2020, 06:22:09 pm
I have the theragun pro which is around £450 so not cheap. Its great on the forearms after getting pumped at crag all day.

Also great after a day out on the bike for leg recovery.

There are cheaper versions but not as powerful. You get what you pay for i guess.
(b) the players are absolute units,

You've seen me at Kilnsey  ;)  :lol:

Of course, I took a photo of us together to mark the occasion:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz9wQBWVAAAiG5x?format=jpg&name=small)

You need to work on your legs
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: moose on November 18, 2020, 06:25:57 pm
leg day is forever tomorrow! [incidentally, they are both current US football wide receivers - so speedsters rather than bruisers - the photo was taken pre-draft, when they were nominally "student athletes".... ]
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Anti on November 18, 2020, 06:40:23 pm
So, I bought one of the Chinese ebay ones for I think £20 on a whim because I thought they're snake oil and was hesitant to invest but wanted to see what the fuss was about...

It's great. It gets used almost daily in our house, I use on my forearms (and surprisingly climb balm on hands and using this really loosens up fingers!) and general shoulder stuff, heavily pregnant wife uses it on stiff legs etc.

I'd love to see what they proper ones are like, because if they're notably better I wouldn't hesitate to get one.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: tommytwotone on November 18, 2020, 09:26:03 pm
Am I the only one who keeps reading this thread title as "massive guns" and assuming it's about UKB's resident Italian stallion Lore?
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: SA Chris on November 18, 2020, 09:36:29 pm

Makes very little impression on big muscles, better off using a lacrosse ball.
Ok on smaller muscles, elbows, forearms, etc but around the shoulder it still feels like a ball gets in deeper, certainly pain levels seem closer to a sports massage  .

I use one of the Decathlon hard rubber balls for that too, and I have a knobbly massage stick, which also works well.


Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: tomtom on November 18, 2020, 09:47:15 pm
Am I the only one who keeps reading this thread title as "massive guns" and assuming it's about UKB's resident Italian stallion Lore?

It’s not got a happy ending...
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: csl on November 20, 2020, 07:26:22 am
Theragun have a Black Friday sale on at the moment with discounts from 15% - ~25%. The bigger discounts are on the more expensive models
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: JohnM on November 21, 2020, 08:17:40 pm
Out of interest has anybody read any of the scientific literature about massage guns?
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 21, 2020, 08:32:34 pm
Out of interest has anybody read any of the scientific literature about massage guns?

I haven’t, though i come in sore from climbing. I use the gun. I feel better. That will do for me.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: moose on November 21, 2020, 09:02:29 pm
I'm very tempted to get a Theragun in the sales.  I've used a cheap vibro-massager, and it eased tightness a bit but fell far short of a proper sports massage from a physio with sadistic tendencies and powerful thumbs. If a Theragun can achieve anything like the requisite steak-tenderising effect (a big "if" there), it'd be well worth the money. WFH at a kitchen table for 8 months (and too much opportunity for ill- advised pull up and woodie training) has left my neck and shoulders in near constant spasm.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: duncan on November 21, 2020, 09:07:13 pm
Massage has been studied fairly extensively, but usually in small-scale, low-quality research. You can find a single study that will support any proposition (massage helps, hinders, or makes no difference). Systematic reviews into sports performance conclude people generally feel better after massage but there are no consistent objective improvements.  This applies to foam rolling and manual massage, massage guns don't seem to have much literature yet but I'd guess findings will be similar.  There is some suggestion that massage may help slow the deterioration of muscle function during immobilisation, so could be something to do if you can't train.

Interesting case report  (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33156927/)of someone who suffered quite severe muscle damage after their coach overdid things with the massage gun.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: webbo on November 21, 2020, 09:56:54 pm
Yet cycling with its well researched marginal gains still insists on massage post race/ training.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: SA Chris on November 21, 2020, 11:05:06 pm
I've usually snubbed post race massages as an expensive luxury, but was offered a free one after London Marathon by my charity, and I was DOMS free the next day. I know that the sample is small, but I've had DOMS for at least a few days to a week after just about every other race I've run, even at half the distance.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: petejh on November 22, 2020, 10:06:57 am
Massage has been studied fairly extensively, but usually in small-scale, low-quality research. You can find a single study that will support any proposition (massage helps, hinders, or makes no difference). Systematic reviews into sports performance conclude people generally feel better after massage but there are no consistent objective improvements.  This applies to foam rolling and manual massage, massage guns don't seem to have much literature yet but I'd guess findings will be similar.  There is some suggestion that massage may help slow the deterioration of muscle function during immobilisation, so could be something to do if you can't train.

Interesting case report  (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33156927/)of someone who suffered quite severe muscle damage after their coach overdid things with the massage gun.

There's something in the way scientists look at stuff like massage and physio etc. that suggests feeling good and pain free isn't an important and worthy goal.  :)
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: jwi on November 22, 2020, 10:41:11 am
Massage has been studied fairly extensively, but usually in small-scale, low-quality research. You can find a single study that will support any proposition (massage helps, hinders, or makes no difference). Systematic reviews into sports performance conclude people generally feel better after massage but there are no consistent objective improvements.  This applies to foam rolling and manual massage, massage guns don't seem to have much literature yet but I'd guess findings will be similar.  There is some suggestion that massage may help slow the deterioration of muscle function during immobilisation, so could be something to do if you can't train.

Interesting case report  (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33156927/)of someone who suffered quite severe muscle damage after their coach overdid things with the massage gun.

There's something in the way scientists look at stuff like massage and physio etc. that suggests feeling good and pain free isn't an important and worthy goal.  :)
+1

Hard to concentrate on work when the DOMS is real. A bit of massage can surely help in that case.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: largeruk on November 22, 2020, 12:59:20 pm
Anyone with experience or knowledge of Theraguns able to advise on which model(s) offer the best 'bang for buck'?
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: tomtom on November 22, 2020, 03:31:19 pm
I’ve ordered a £60 one from Amazon (that got decent reviews on a couple of sites that compared a few of the good abs budget ones). I’ll report back. £200 on one wasn’t really justifiable - if this one gets loads of use we might upgrade later...
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: tomtom on November 22, 2020, 05:08:20 pm
It’s a Fylina one. Just arrived. Seems pretty solid and quiet.
It’s also got a semi circular attachment (for arms or legs apparently) that’s doing the business on my forearms at the moment.

Never used a different one though so can’t compare etc..
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: dunnyg on November 22, 2020, 05:46:18 pm
how loud is it on a scale of could watch tv to jackhammer?
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: webbo on November 22, 2020, 06:12:12 pm
I have asked Santa for one of these. However my worry is given my lack of mobility due to muscle stiffness. I will only be able use it on the front of my body.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: tomtom on November 22, 2020, 06:19:07 pm
how loud is it on a scale of could watch tv to jackhammer?

Watch TV certainly. Not loud.

It’s hard to focus if you try and massage your head though 😂
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: gme on November 22, 2020, 06:42:00 pm
We have a sportneer one that my lad uses nearly every day. No issues with it at all after 3 months.
He’s used the theragun ones at rugby and says there is no difference, or not enough of one to justify the price.
I think the price is more to do with commercial / personal use.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: cheque on November 22, 2020, 07:52:40 pm
Anyone with experience or knowledge of Theraguns able to advise on which model(s) offer the best 'bang for buck'?

The Elite is the quietest despite being the second-most powerful. That’s what swung me. I think the Prime is probably the best value though as, unlike the cheapest one it has the same handle as ours and the interchangeable heads- I wouldn’t miss the LCD screen (!) but I would miss them. I reckon the pressure they exert is largely related to how long you have to use it on one area to get the desired effect rather than whether it’s capable of creating that effect at all.

Like everyone else on this thread apart from gme’s kid I’ve only used one type so don’t really know what the differences are though. I got an expensive one due to my experience of years of throwing good money after bad replacing burnt-out unrepairable cheap hair clippers, all of which cut my hair as well as the Wahl one I eventually got but are in landfill somewhere now.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: moose on November 22, 2020, 09:28:02 pm
To me, the Prime looks like the value pick. The Pro is out on its own - the biggest and most powerful model, has an adjustable head, and priced accordingly.

Compared to the Prime, the Elite comes with an extra head, a nicer carry case, a blingier LED screen, and better app integration.  But they have the same casing, same motor, the travel / depth of penetration is same, and both have a non-adjustable head.  The main mechanical difference is that the Elite is set to take a higher max force before stalling than the Prime (40 versus 30 lbs). 

https://www.recoveryforathletes.com/pages/theragun-pro-vs-elite-vs-prime-vs-mini (https://www.recoveryforathletes.com/pages/theragun-pro-vs-elite-vs-prime-vs-mini)

I've just ordered the Elite as I felt like treating myself (and am feeling flush and in need of "retail therapy") but if I was being more sensible / value aware I would have gone for the Prime.  I've already got a cheap "Reviber" vibration massager, which helps somewhat, but WFH forn 8 months at a kitchen table without a proper adjustable chair (and perhaps too much training during lunch breaks) has left me feeling sorely in need of a near abusive massage from a big-thumbed physio - and I hope a Theragun will scratch that masochistic itch.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: petejh on November 22, 2020, 10:31:40 pm
What's a 30mins of sports massage.. around £30? So you could look at it that the theragun, depending on model, is aimed at folk willing to fork for between 7 and 13 sessions of sports massage over one to three years*. Last year I probably had 6 or 7 massages. This year none, obvs..


* a theragun should last longer than that.. at least 5 years and hopefully longer.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Reprobate_Rob on November 22, 2020, 11:11:32 pm
Just make sure the cleaner doesn't put it in the dishwasher by mistake
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Teaboy on November 22, 2020, 11:20:09 pm
What's a 30mins of sports massage.. around £30? So you could look at it that the theragun, depending on model, is aimed at folk willing to fork for between 7 and 13 sessions of sports massage over one to three years*. Last year I probably had 6 or 7 massages. This year none, obvs..


I do wonder if the sports massages I have are a bit too vigorous as there is absolutely no way would I be able to inflict as much pain in myself as the masseuse. If I wanted equivalence this would not provide it.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Anti on November 23, 2020, 06:57:27 am
What's a 30mins of sports massage.. around £30? So you could look at it that the theragun, depending on model, is aimed at folk willing to fork for between 7 and 13 sessions of sports massage over one to three years*. Last year I probably had 6 or 7 massages. This year none, obvs..


* a theragun should last longer than that.. at least 5 years and hopefully longer.

I really like my massage gun as stated previous, but it'd be daft to compare percussion self massage instruments to proper sports massage. They're at opposite ends of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: duncan on November 23, 2020, 10:01:42 am
Yet cycling with its well researched marginal gains still insists on massage post race/ training.
Elite sportspeople will try any old nonsense and pay a fortune for it if they think there is the slightest chance it will make a 0.01% difference. A snake-oil pusher’s dream customer. In any case, I thought it was established that marginal gains was code for testosterone patches?  ;)


There's something in the way scientists look at stuff like massage and physio etc. that suggests feeling good and pain free isn't an important and worthy goal.  :)
Feeling better is great! Ironically one of the themes of my last twenty years of work has been the importance of listening to people rather than looking at their scans. Massage will of course make you feel better and if that’s you goal then go for it. I suppose I was assuming that some people thought it was a performance enhancer, where the evidence is much less clear.

Hard to concentrate on work when the DOMS is real. A bit of massage can surely help in that case.
Massage certainly helps the feeling of DOMS. The performance reduction associated (and it’s not a clear association) ... not so much. (I have an unusual relationship with DOMS: I love it because it indicates I’ve had a good session without making my joints or tendons unhappy in the process!)
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: SA Chris on November 23, 2020, 09:13:47 pm
I have a love for DOMS too, but when it stops me using stairs I can do without it.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: SamT on November 24, 2020, 12:23:38 pm
Front page of the other channel...

https://www.ukclimbing.com/gear/climbing/training_aids/addsfit_portable_massage_gun-13178

(sorry - I was just updating my log book, honest).   :-[
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: kelvin on November 24, 2020, 12:35:08 pm
Or do what I did and take a massage therapist out for coffee - three years of romance later and I'm rather more flexible in my shoulders than I've been since my mid twenties.
We recently borrowed one of the £200 guns and to be honest, we both felt that a £60 one would be just as good for occasional or light use.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: mark20 on January 08, 2021, 09:28:36 am
Not used a massage gun so can't make a direct comparison but my missus recently bought this neck massager (£50)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mo-Cuishle-Shiatsu-Shoulder-Massager/dp/B07G142F9Z/ref=asc_df_B07G142F9Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=100400901540&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mo-Cuishle-Shiatsu-Shoulder-Massager/dp/B07G142F9Z/ref=asc_df_B07G142F9Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=100400901540&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784)
Each side is made up of two knobbly interlocked 'starfish' shaped things, and really dig in. You can crank hard on the straps to really drive it in, or even lie on it like the traditional roll on a tennis ball treatment (agony). Obviously quite bulky and mains powered. I suspect its more useful for stiff backs, shoulders, legs etc rather than arms and elbows which you can probably target better with a massage gun.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: Fultonius on February 14, 2021, 10:13:26 am
Just leave this here.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Gblw2nZtQ
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: tomtom on February 14, 2021, 11:32:11 am
Hilarious 😆 (well to me anyway) and glad I got a £60 clone of Amazon!
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: kelvin on February 14, 2021, 04:36:13 pm
Not used a massage gun so can't make a direct comparison but my missus recently bought this neck massager (£50)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mo-Cuishle-Shiatsu-Shoulder-Massager/dp/B07G142F9Z/ref=asc_df_B07G142F9Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=100400901540&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mo-Cuishle-Shiatsu-Shoulder-Massager/dp/B07G142F9Z/ref=asc_df_B07G142F9Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=100400901540&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784)
Each side is made up of two knobbly interlocked 'starfish' shaped things, and really dig in. You can crank hard on the straps to really drive it in, or even lie on it like the traditional roll on a tennis ball treatment (agony). Obviously quite bulky and mains powered. I suspect its more useful for stiff backs, shoulders, legs etc rather than arms and elbows which you can probably target better with a massage gun.
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: lagerstarfish on February 14, 2021, 04:53:05 pm
Seen these being used at the wall (pre lockdown) and on some SM posts...

Are they any good?

I misread the title as "massive guns"

 :lol:
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: largeruk on February 14, 2021, 04:58:57 pm
Hilarious 😆 (well to me anyway) and glad I got a £60 clone of Amazon!
Could I bother you for a link to the one you bought?

My budget is £50-£60 rather than a couple of hundred.  ::)
Title: Re: Massage Guns..
Post by: kelvin on February 14, 2021, 05:20:39 pm
Not used a massage gun so can't make a direct comparison but my missus recently bought this neck massager (£50)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mo-Cuishle-Shiatsu-Shoulder-Massager/dp/B07G142F9Z/ref=asc_df_B07G142F9Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=100400901540&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mo-Cuishle-Shiatsu-Shoulder-Massager/dp/B07G142F9Z/ref=asc_df_B07G142F9Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=100400901540&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784)
Each side is made up of two knobbly interlocked 'starfish' shaped things, and really dig in. You can crank hard on the straps to really drive it in, or even lie on it like the traditional roll on a tennis ball treatment (agony). Obviously quite bulky and mains powered. I suspect its more useful for stiff backs, shoulders, legs etc rather than arms and elbows which you can probably target better with a massage gun.

That didn't work, did it?

We have one of these, it's been used for over 18 months now and really helps with the trapezius muscles. My job tends to make them solid and belaying doesn't help. My partner uses it for her legs also.
Works great at what it's meant for but my partner, who's a massage therapist, raves about the guns for the arms.
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Post by: kelvin on February 14, 2021, 05:30:25 pm
My partner has just ordered this one, she thinks it'll be easier to use than a gun and I'll report back with her thoughts. £37.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B01N4B6VY4/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?smid=A3V701XPD7PSWM&psc=1
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Post by: tomtom on February 14, 2021, 05:40:05 pm
I don’t find it much use on shoulders (I’m too bony maybe and it bounces around a lot) but works great on forearms.

My fave is for triceps - massaged when you have your arm as if you are scratching the back of your neck.... luuuuurvely.
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Post by: SA Chris on February 15, 2021, 09:45:49 am
Not used a massage gun so can't make a direct comparison but my missus recently bought this neck massager (£50)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mo-Cuishle-Shiatsu-Shoulder-Massager/dp/B07G142F9Z/ref=asc_df_B07G142F9Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=100400901540&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mo-Cuishle-Shiatsu-Shoulder-Massager/dp/B07G142F9Z/ref=asc_df_B07G142F9Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=100400901540&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=427886377362&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12036410761320351171&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045286&hvtargid=pla-570455391784)
Each side is made up of two knobbly interlocked 'starfish' shaped things, and really dig in. You can crank hard on the straps to really drive it in, or even lie on it like the traditional roll on a tennis ball treatment (agony). Obviously quite bulky and mains powered. I suspect its more useful for stiff backs, shoulders, legs etc rather than arms and elbows which you can probably target better with a massage gun.

I use this on my often sore lower back, and find it really helps ease it.
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Post by: cheque on April 02, 2021, 06:45:30 pm
Who’s going to be the first to try one of these bad boys (https://www.coopersofstortford.co.uk/hand-therapy-heat-massager/?geoc=US) out?  ;D
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Post by: Duma on April 02, 2021, 06:52:59 pm
"If you remove your hand, you die"
"What's in the box?"
"Pain"
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Post by: kac on April 02, 2021, 07:12:58 pm
How did you stumble upon that! Anyway it comes from a shop in Bishops Stortford, nothing good has ever come out of that town!
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Post by: SA Chris on April 03, 2021, 12:37:50 am
Looks like it could be worn by "The World's Greatest Hand Model"
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Post by: andy_e on August 28, 2023, 11:54:41 am
Spotted a mini massage gun for £25 in the middle of Lidl. Worth a punt?
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Post by: duncan on August 28, 2023, 12:11:47 pm
Spotted a mini massage gun for £25 in the middle of Lidl. Worth a punt?

This is how it ends isn't it? (see compression garments, glucosamine, and bathing in liquid nitrogen)

Cynicism aside, many people liked them at least to begin with. How many are still in regular use? How many are gathering dust in a cupboard somewhere?
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Post by: Dingdong on August 28, 2023, 12:58:25 pm
I use mine daily. Before and after exercise and I can tell when I don’t use them, they definitely work imo.
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Post by: teestub on August 28, 2023, 03:46:17 pm
Spotted a mini massage gun for £25 in the middle of Lidl. Worth a punt?

I think problem with small/cheap ones can be low stall power, which means you can't apply the necessary force to work out a knot etc.

Duncan: I use mine weekly on average I'd say. I find it most useful for sorting out neck/shoulder knots, but also if I've been overexuberant on the bike or trotting down a hill too fast. Not sure what the evidence base is looking like these days, but if it's a placebo it's a good one!
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Post by: chriss on August 28, 2023, 04:42:58 pm
I've got a thera gun, had it for a while & use it regularly. Great bit of kit.
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Post by: webbo on August 28, 2023, 09:17:21 pm
I don’t use mine that often but I have found that if I do a big bike ride 100 miles plus and I give my thighs a good pummelling after I’ve got out of the shower. I don’t get cramp later in the evening.
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Post by: moose on August 28, 2023, 09:37:26 pm
Not used my Theragun for a while, but I've previously been very grateful for it - kneading into submission the issues in my elbows and shoulders / neck  (lots of driving and office work make them prone to problems). I view it the same as my Armaid - perhaps it's quackery but if so, I'm happy to pay for the placebo effect - cheaper and longer lasting than the physio I've had.
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Post by: Paul B on August 28, 2023, 09:57:41 pm
We have one in the house and my thought was that for the cost of a single sports massage it was worth a punt. It's a Renhpo (sp?). The cheaper ones I've tried stall as Stubbs says.
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Post by: andy_e on August 29, 2023, 09:30:37 am
Cheers tim, paul, I hadn't considered it might be underpowered!
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Post by: Fiend on August 29, 2023, 09:34:15 am
Good timing. I was looking into massage guns recently as I do believe most of my upper torso needs a good pummelling. I will heed the low stall power warning. Any recommendations at the <£60 mark??
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