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the shizzle => news => Topic started by: tomtom on September 08, 2016, 11:30:29 am
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http://www.groundupclimbing.com/newsitem.asp?nsid=222
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Really 2004? Will this be the heaviest bouldering guide ever produced?
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I hope it comes on a set of castors.
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Exciting new preview pages available:
(http://www.systecgroup.com/wp-content/gallery/mobile-shelving/automatic-aisle-lock-ft-hood-darnall-hospital-2.jpg)
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The Chilcot report of bouldering guides.
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You lot better start making plans; when this thing lands in your lap (Oooofff!!!) the urge to run out the door and drive straight to North Wales will be impossible to resist! ;-)
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The Chilcot report of bouldering guides.
That's unfair. Chilcot only took seven years.
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You lot better start making plans; when this thing lands in your lap (Oooofff!!!) the urge to run out the door and drive straight to North Wales will be impossible to resist! ;-)
Does the guide come with a trailer-hitch attached?
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when this thing lands in your lap
When is actual release date?
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You lot better start making plans; when this thing lands in your lap (Oooofff!!!) the urge to run out the door and drive straight to North Wales will be impossible to resist! ;-)
Said the guidebook editor. Not trying to drum up any sales whatsoever... :lol: ;)
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Woop Woop!!!! :bounce:
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:dance1: :dance1: :dance1:
Cannot wait!
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waterproof edition being field tested?
(http://www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk/resources/images/5128740.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery)
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Psyched for this
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Can we have a shackle on it please, so I can use it for weighted dead hangs.
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I had thought of splitting it into two volumes:
(http://www.northwalesbouldering.com/upload/gallery/nwb1-2.jpg)
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Are there any updates on the release date?
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Not imminent yet the big man told me.
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we're still laying out chapters but nearly done (on page 565 today...) - not sure about dates for release though, the boss will have some ideas
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the boss will have some ideas
Bruce Springsteen?
At least you will only have to change the cover slightly.
(https://img.discogs.com/LL8NlHDNbx7VRX1Kbp2b8k2No78=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1343227-1365373608-1010.jpeg.jpg)
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Sorry about the delay, but it'll be after Christmas now.
In terms of 'pages left to do' there isn't much awaiting attention on my computer but there is still a lot of faffing about to do to pull it all together.
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the boss will have some ideas
Bruce Springsteen?
At least you will only have to change the cover slightly.
Funnily enough the decision on the cover is causing me some consternation - I've got three alternatives pasted on the office wall and I change my mind about which one I prefer every day...
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the boss will have some ideas
Bruce Springsteen?
At least you will only have to change the cover slightly.
Funnily enough the decision on the cover is causing me some consternation - I've got three alternatives pasted on the office wall and I change my mind about which one I prefer every day...
time for a poll?
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Absolutely!
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the boss will have some ideas
Bruce Springsteen?
At least you will only have to change the cover slightly.
Funnily enough the decision on the cover is causing me some consternation - I've got three alternatives pasted on the office wall and I change my mind about which one I prefer every day...
Robins , Robins and Robins?
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the boss will have some ideas
Bruce Springsteen?
At least you will only have to change the cover slightly.
Funnily enough the decision on the cover is causing me some consternation - I've got three alternatives pasted on the office wall and I change my mind about which one I prefer every day...
time for a poll?
(http://www.buachaille.com/images/Five.Ten-Anasazi-Lace-Up.jpg)
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Robins , Robins and Robins?
I wonder what percentage of problems with a named first ascensionst in the guide are his?
Closest guess wins a free copy. I'm guessing 10%
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Panton's done 14 676 7As though.
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100% of the good ones ;)
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100% of the good ones ;)
Oh, let me see now... :-\ I reckon King of Drunks is quite a bit better than that arbitrary piece of shite, Lip Flip low start that you did at Ysgo.
...or, how about The Tench at Pant Ifan:
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Let me know how crap you think that is when you go and do it. ;)
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Panton's done 14 676 7As though.
15, 350 at last count, actually.
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the boss will have some ideas
Bruce Springsteen?
At least you will only have to change the cover slightly.
Funnily enough the decision on the cover is causing me some consternation - I've got three alternatives pasted on the office wall and I change my mind about which one I prefer every day...
Robins , Robins and Robins?
One is Robins on Anthrapoid at Porth Ysgo, one is Miles Perkin on Ultimate Warrior in Cwm Pennant and the other is Laura Perry on Jerry's Wall in the Pass.
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Need a hand with proof reading/final checking etc..? I know RMan got a few people (I was one) to look over a couple of sections each when he was doing the Lancs Guide.
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Lip Flip low start that you did at Ysgo.
I walked past that during the summer and I couldn't even work out where it went!
The only reason I know how "good" all of Petes are is he phones me up to tell me, then a day later Caff phones me up to say how shit they are. Things like the Pant Ifan stuff is exactly why people are so excited by the new guide, guess it won't be ready for my Christmas stocking though.
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Robins , Robins and Robins?
I wonder what percentage of problems with a named first ascensionst in the guide are his?
Closest guess wins a free copy. I'm guessing 10%
The number of 7 + 8 fas he has done in the last few years is phenomenal. I reckon he wins overall (bear in mind that fa details are not normally given for easier problems)
Maybe me next (just because I've been at it for twenty years), then Owen Hayward and Martin Crook are very prolific.
Nodder has done a lot of really classic lines - certainly a sizeable proportion of the ones that visitors seek out.
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I reckon Nodder should be on the front.
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Lip Flip low start that you did at Ysgo.
I walked past that during the summer and I couldn't even work out where it went!
The only reason I know how "good" all of Petes are is he phones me up to tell me, then a day later Caff phones me up to say how shit they are. Things like the Pant Ifan stuff is exactly why people are so excited by the new guide, guess it won't be ready for my Christmas stocking though.
It took me a while to decipher the meaning of your original description - but it does make sense when you get up close. Here's the relevant page:
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I reckon Nodder should be on the front.
In terms of outstanding contribution, perhaps. However Pete has pushed ahead on that front in recent years, and he will be losing his position from the slate guide - when we do the revamp of that Caff will be on the front.
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The layout looks excellent. I'm glad you're including relatively thorough descriptions of the problems :)
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One is Robins on Anthrapoid at Porth Ysgo, one is Miles Perkin on Ultimate Warrior in Cwm Pennant and the other is Laura Perry on Jerry's Wall in the Pass.
The only British bouldering guide I can find with a lady on the cover is the guide to the Peak that isn't the Vertebrate one - I think it'd be cool to see that ratio shift a bit!
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Need a hand with proof reading/final checking etc..? I know RMan got a few people (I was one) to look over a couple of sections each when he was doing the Lancs Guide.
Maybe if you think you've got the time. There is a feedback group already, plus a few people doing some detailed proofing, but an extra pair of eyes could help.
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One is Robins on Anthrapoid at Porth Ysgo, one is Miles Perkin on Ultimate Warrior in Cwm Pennant and the other is Laura Perry on Jerry's Wall in the Pass.
The only British bouldering guide I can find with a lady on the cover is the guide to the Peak that isn't the Vertebrate one - I think it'd be cool to see that ratio shift a bit!
My daughter has made the same point to me, especially given the relatively low percentage of female action shots inside the guide.
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I think it should be someone who's contributed though. Not just a token shot.
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My vote's for a female.
Pete must be one of the most prolific 'front covers' - Llanberis; Slate (other one?); and 'guidebook photos' ever!
He deserves it though as it reflects how much he's contributed to bouldering, sport and trad. Not just routes and probs either he writes a lot of scripts!
A female on the cover would be a welcome change of tack - although it wouldn't be reflective of who actually contributes first ascents it would reflect the increasing number of women who go bouldering.
Weird that FAs are so skewed to the guys. Maybe it's an exploratory urge thing?
edit -Doylo in a wig and pink E9 pants.
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One is Robins on Anthrapoid at Porth Ysgo, one is Miles Perkin on Ultimate Warrior in Cwm Pennant and the other is Laura Perry on Jerry's Wall in the Pass.
The only British bouldering guide I can find with a lady on the cover is the guide to the Peak that isn't the Vertebrate one - I think it'd be cool to see that ratio shift a bit!
My daughter has made the same point to me, especially given the relatively low percentage of female action shots inside the guide.
Really glad to hear it's something you've been thinking about.
Just had a flick through Boulder Britain - ~440 pages, and I reckon about 20 shots of girls climbing in the whole thing, the ~40 pages on Scotland have about 20 pictures of guys climbing (I think the book is great, fwiw, just hope that the ratio will change a bit in the future!).
Anyway, really looking forward to getting a copy of the book whoever is on the cover!
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Weird that FAs are so skewed to the guys. Maybe it's an exploratory urge thing?
My Mrs spoke at the Wimmin's Climbing Symposium about this, as she has put up a few problems in the 6s on Stanage. She used it as an example of 'goal setting' when you can't be cranking at your hardest (in her case, post babies). Anyway, she's definitely into looking for new lines and has got another potential proj lined up.
I would definitely put a woman on the front, given that it's a commercial guidebook and the market for women who go bouldering is boomtastic.
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I'm heading to north wales with my GF this weekend. Although it looks like it will rain I could convince her to pull onto The Edge Wall in the pass for a quick photo? At the very least I could get a shot of her looking at Jerry's Roof. ;)
But in all seriousness, a girl on the front cover would be nice. From what I'm aware there's a good scene of strong female boulderers in Wales. A female front cover worthy shot might already exist.
Apologises that these comments aren't making the cover decision easier, you could put a mug shot of Caff on it and I'd still buy it :thumbsup:
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As a compromise has Wales got any blokes who look like girls from the back? We got at least one in the Peak.
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As a compromise has Wales got any blokes who look like girls from the back? We got at least one in the Peak.
Had, JBs lost too much hair now...
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As a compromise has Wales got any blokes who look like girls from the back? We got at least one in the Peak.
And one or two girls that look like blokes!
(that can't be considered sexist) 😇
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Clearly we need a DFBWGC in Wales thread.
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A female on the cover would be a welcome change of tack - although it wouldn't be reflective of who actually contributes first ascents it would reflect the increasing number of women who go bouldering.
Weird that FAs are so skewed to the guys. Maybe it's an exploratory urge thing?
edit -Doylo in a wig and pink E9 pants.
Most of the fas in the NWB scene are done by the same small group, maybe 10 middle aged blokes, plus another 10 blokes who occasionally do fas.
I've collected many of the images for the guide while crag development has been going on and what you see in the book is to an extent an historical record of how things unfolded. That does mean that there is a low percentage of women and a high percentage of those blokes in the prolific 10 group.
Conscious of this I have on occasion specifically tried to get decent female action shots, but producing the guide has been such a massive, all consuming task that it has often slipped to the bottom of my priority list. I tend to boulder at new or recently developed venues and you don't see anybody at those places, never mind any women willing to climb for the camera.
That being said I have got some really strong female action shots, so don't worry it isn't all just ugly blokes, or Doylo in a wig, or Nodder in a spiderman suit.
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Anyone heard any more on when this will be out?
Last I heard in Jan it was "imminent"...
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I was in V12 yesterday and dared to ask the chap working. With a wink and a nod he said in the next 2 months! Prob next few then :whistle:
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no release dates yet, we're still bashing on ;)
we're still focussed on making the book; its a labour of love and has been a long time in the pipeline so to rush the last stretch would be a shame, although we're more than aware we need to get it out!
its basically done, but needs editing to reduce the page count (and some final proofing)
I'm sure si will chip in with his thoughts
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Thanks for the update. Can't wait.
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http://www.groundupclimbing.com/newsitem.asp?nsid=223
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Do they do preorders?
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I asked Si the same question on Facebook and he said he expected V12 would be doing a pre order...
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We are when there is a more concrete expected date/month (Jack's words) as avoiding an onslaught of calls and emails is desirable if there is any sort of delay!
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Cheers dudes.
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https://www.v12outdoor.com/north-wales-bouldering-2nd-edition-pre-order.html
Anyone care to remortgage their houses to lend me the necessary cash?
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https://www.v12outdoor.com/north-wales-bouldering-2nd-edition-pre-order.html
Anyone care to remortgage their houses to lend me the necessary cash?
It's going to be a weighty tome and in full colour, which accounts for the price increase over the previous edition!
Cheers for the link anyhow, just popped it online today :2thumbsup:
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It's only £2.85 every year for the next 13 years (the current average shelf life for a north wales bouldering guide).
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679 pages of exploration, pleasure, frustration and desperation!
Retail price is comparable per page to other popular bouldering guides:
Vertebrate Peak Bouldering guide - 480 pages @ 5.2 pence per page
GroundUp NW Bouldering - 679 pages @ 5.4 pence
Cockfax Peak Bouldering - 540 pages @ 5.5 pence
BMC Peak Lime North - 528 pages @ 5.3 pence
Onsight North Wales Limestone - 452 pages @ 5.5 pence
Cockfax North Wales Climbs - 450 pages @ 6.6 pence
Cockfax Peak Limestone - 408 pages @ 6.8 pence
:geek:
Cheaper than buying two smaller volumes that would probably have cost around £20 each...
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Yeah, what price a lifetime of fun? Maybe we need to reassess the exchange rate for fuck-alls to the pound sterling and peg it to the price of the most eagerly awaited guidebook in history? 1 fuck all = price of the NW bouldering guide? Better than the old gold standard imho.
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Brexit driving the prices up.
I'll tell ye all, we'rrrrrrrr aaaallll dooooomed.
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Pre-ordered and very excited!!! 😀
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Would be interesting to see a price per boulder problem comparison!
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Expected release date "possibly this summer"...possibly?
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Expected release date "possibly this summer"...possibly?
V12 said somewhere that they wouldn't be doing pre-orders until they had a firm release date, so I guess they haven't updated the page in a while?
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Cockfax North Wales Climbs - 450 pages @ 6.6 pence
Cockfax Peak Limestone - 408 pages @ 6.8 pence
You missed the real value proposition there:
Cockfax Clywd Limestone - 264 pages @ 11.34 pence
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You missed the real value proposition there:
Cockfax Clywd Limestone - 264 pages @ 11.34 pence
Used that guide twice so far and been rained off both times - £7.50 per route!
Actually I'll take that. Sure the new guide will be lovely
/mumbles and shuffles off.
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You missed the real value proposition there:
Cockfax Clywd Limestone - 264 pages @ 11.34 pence
Used that guide twice so far and been rained off both times - £7.50 per route!
Actually I'll take that. Sure the new guide will be lovely
/mumbles and shuffles off.
Picked it up second hand for 0.76 pence per page [emoji3]
Also only used it twice but at 40 pence per route and having saved us from being washed out in the peak, it's a bit more bearable.
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https://www.v12outdoor.com/north-wales-bouldering-2nd-edition-pre-order.html
Anyone care to remortgage their houses to lend me the necessary cash?
it doesn't give the weight of the book anywhere. How am I meant to judge value without knowing the weight?
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https://www.v12outdoor.com/north-wales-bouldering-2nd-edition-pre-order.html
Anyone care to remortgage their houses to lend me the necessary cash?
it doesn't give the weight of the book anywhere. How am I meant to judge value without knowing the weight?
Fuckin heavy
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yeah, but are we talking chubby-Dawes heavy or flying-pig-Dunne heavy?
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Is it only me that the link doesn't work for?
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Is it only me that the link doesn't work for?
works for me
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Is it only me that the link doesn't work for?
works for me
Didn't work on Firefox, ordered on Chrome!
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Ordered.... link works fine here. Been waiting an age for this, nice timing as just moved near Wrexham.
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Any news on this yet?
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Some guy at Cromlech boulders on Tuesdaly seemed to know Si P/ a bit about it... he thought most likely by Christmas!
I guess 'with the publisher' and 'next in line for printing' may not be the same thing?
I'd exercise patience basically, who knows when it will arrive..
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It's at the printers. :o
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It's at the printers. :o
I can confirm that I have no video evidence of this not being at the printers.
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It's at the printers. :o
Yes but how many runs of other material does the printer have to do before NWB? In other words, when will they actually print it?
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And where is the printers? Is it in China and the books will be shipped back to the UK on a very slow moving container ship? How much ransom are somali pirates going to want for it?
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How much ransom are somali pirates going to want for it?
Let's hope they don't see this thread, otherwise NWB prices are going to soar.
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Hopefully it's not at some dodgy printers in Romania and ends up being sent back to be re-printed. I'm sure that's never happened before.
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Printers in Aberystwyth. Probably get back quicker from China than there though. Seems the wait is nearly over.
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:punk: :bounce: :bow:
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Printers in Aberystwyth. Probably get back quicker from China than there though. Seems the wait is nearly over.
If its the same people that printed and bound my thesis (lovely little print shop - tucked away in the middle of town) they will do an amazing job - but take weeks... for each one :)
Pleased its being printed in Wales though...
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I'd heard on good authority it was at a secret printing press in a small cave on the Little Orme..
http://historypoints.org/index.php?page=the-little-orme
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we signed the printers approvals friday, its out of our hands now :)
we're having every page potato printed by hand, with a gold leaf flourish for the cave chapter
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Are you saying it's not going to be a pop-up book?
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wouldn't that be great dave, you first ;)
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:great: psyched for this
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its printed, got a non-bound copy, looks nice - needs to be stitched up, bit of glue, then packhorse north to the mountains, might be at v12 this weekend...
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Boing.
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Is that the rubber cheque you are paying for it with?
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Ordered mine :) Looking forward to it!!
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might be at v12 this weekend...
wishful thinking, sorry :???: sounds like monday now...
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Panton says he will be collecting a batch to take to V12 on Friday.
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yep, we managed to get 300 early now, should be in shop later friday, remainder delivered monday, hope they turn out ok
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even I can spot that this is fake news
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even I can spot that this is fake news
Dim Dim Dim.
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even I can spot that this is fake news
Trollio...
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It's landed :punk: :dance1:
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It's landed :punk: :dance1:
In the post??
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It's landed :punk: :dance1:
In the post??
I picked it up from V12. Think they got some advance copies (see above posts).
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Just checked the email, looks like its on its way. Really looking forward to this.
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Congrats to Si Panton. This is a fantastic effort :clap2:
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Agreed, picked our copy up from V12 last weekend, immediately proved its worth when the heavens opened in the Pass and we were able to bail to Pantymwyn as a small detour on our way home. It's great to see all of the new developments written up in a visitor-friendly format and the production really is top-notch. Can't wait to visit more of the crags.
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Yer, fantastic effort guys. A real encyclopedia. It's hard to appreciate just how much effort must've gone into this thing when page flicking but wow. I love the ground up graphic style aswell. Best money I have spent for an awfully long time.
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Agreed, the price tag is misleading, this is excellent value for money for what you get and an amazing effort. As someone who can't help but nerdily flick through guidebooks at home there's almost too much stuff in here - I've got no idea where I'm going to go next in North Wales as there's too many options now (assuming it's not raining for once)!
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I think its ace.
670 pages - great descriptions and pictures.
Great work Si (and all involved)
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cheers on behalf of si, myself & team :) we're in need of a long rest now, under medical supervision
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Finally got my copy from the post office after it got delivered on the day I left for a week in Wales and very much worth the wait! Great effort from all involved and heartfelt thanks from me with apologies for all the badgering over the years Si :) :wave: