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the shizzle => equipment => Topic started by: BB on October 29, 2010, 11:49:00 am
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Hit me up with some beta on approach shoes. As always, beta on bargain bin replacements would be appreciated!
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What do you want them for? Approaching crags? Or wandering round font? Or for easy bouldering/ soloing?
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Walshes, designed to stop you sliding around wet grassy slopes. I did the Cuillin ridge in a pair and they climb up to VS/HVS just fine.
As luck would have it I have a pair of size ~10s for a small donation (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,15873.msg276852.html#msg276852).
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What do you want them for? Approaching crags? Or wandering round font? Or for easy bouldering/ soloing?
Approaching crags and general wandering around, not limited to Font. Is there a specific shoe requirements for Font?
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If you're not planning to climb in them I wouldn't bother with approach shoes as such, either get some lightweight walking shoes if you're going any distance, if Caley/ Font etc I wouldn't bother with anything specific, any trainer will do.
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Hit me up with some beta on approach shoes. As always, beta on bargain bin replacements would be appreciated!
If you're climbing then Daescents every time. Otherwise as Johnny says most things will do for getting to roadside crags. For approaching higher crags or hillwalking :spank: then something heavier from Sportiva/Scarpa/Boreal is good.
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I love my guide tennies for approach/climbing in
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I use Five Ten Camp Fours for alpine scrambly stuff on rock up to about UIAA II/III, for which they are excellent. Got caught out in them last year in a big midsummer fall of fresh snow was ok, but I wouldn't want to go on hard snow in them without some kind of spikes, kahtoola crampons or similar. (The only real major flaw is that the heel is quite rounded - less than ideal for descending snow, mud, wet grass)
They are quite stiff & not super-light though - fit & feel is more like a walking boot than a running shoe. If I'm going for a day out where I don't expect to be spending much time on rock, then running shoes (my current favourite: Inov-8 310s) are lighter and more comfortable.
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Walshes, designed to stop you sliding around wet grassy slopes. I did the Cuillin ridge in a pair and they climb up to VS/HVS just fine.
Either you were off route or somebody finally decided to give the T-D Gap an honest & realistic grade
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Five ten free runners are awesome as long as its dry. They arent massively grippy on wet grass but great on everything else and I got up a HVS at Ban Y Gor in mine (and they are comfy for dog walking as wel)l!
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:agree: my five ten free runners are great for plodding around in and doing easy stuff warming up.
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Mens 'Finn' Shoes (http://www.naturalcollection.com/products/patagonia/patagonia-breathable-hiking-shoes/)
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Don't get fiveten camp fours, they are shit. Worst crag shoe i've ever had. Almost sprained my ankle on many occaisions falling over the clumsy huge heel, and the front of the boot are worse than any normal trainiers for climbing anything technical, i.e. grit, not mountain stuff.
Guide tennies used to be awesome for climbing (especially if sized a bit snug) but wank for walking over any kind of rough terrain due to the lack of any decent underfoot support. However recently they've changed the shape of the toe to more like a conventional trainer, so i suspect they are now shit for climbing too.
If i was going out tomorrow to get a crag shoe to climb in it'd be deascents, otherwise just get whatever cheap berghaus/tnf/hitech walking trainers are on sale in the outdoor shops or tkmaxx.
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Fiveten seem to have ruined the Guide Tennie which leaves me struggling for approach shoes. Boulder X don't fit, I'm not sold on the Scarpas.
I've seen some of the 'das offerings but as these are online only I haven't a clue on sizing. Has anyone tried a pair? My current pair of tennie's are glued together with barge cement and may prevent my access to the USA on looks alone (no honestly, I do have enough money to support myself I just choose to bind my feet in rags)!
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I've some of the addidas stealth rubber coated trainer things.
As regular shoes they're OK (a bit clumpy but OK)
As approach shoes they are
(a) superb on rock as the have decent rubber, stiff soles and a compact fit.
(b) an utter crock of shit on mud/wet grass/veg ie normal UK winter underfoot conditions
(c) Uncomfortable on rough terrain as whilst they have a stiff sole - there is very little (read none) cushioning.
So for me - they work fine for padding around somewhere when warming up (and can't be arsed to put on rocks shoes) and I wear em down the boozer etc... but when I go climbing, when I get out of the car I change into some old Columbia approach shoes I have. They might be superb for your approach needs (based on a-c above) but for me they're rubbish as approach shoes...
(d) they've worn OK.
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I've got some of the stealth adidas. Worse on wet grass than normal outdoorsy trainers, but a thousand times better than Daescents on wet grass, which were frankly a liability. Very stiff, should be great for mountain scrambling. Not really tried soloing in them or owt, I think the stiffness would take getting used to on grit. I know James Turnbull did Sardine in a pair.
More than adequate for walking into Kilnsey and Longridge.
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Got a pair of these bad boys (http://www.sportsdirect.com/karrimor-hot-rock-low-mens-walking-shoes-183714?colcode=18371403) a month ago and apart from the laces, they are holding up well on all terrain so far. Laces are easily replaced so not that arsed about them and for a few fuck alls I'm not complaining...
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I've got some of the stealth adidas. Worse on wet grass than normal outdoorsy trainers, but a thousand times better than Daescents on wet grass, which were frankly a liability. Very stiff, should be great for mountain scrambling. Not really tried soloing in them or owt, I think the stiffness would take getting used to on grit. I know James Turnbull did Sardine in a pair.
More than adequate for walking into Kilnsey and Longridge.
I'm currently on slicks with the tennie's they're that worn. Given Nat bought here Sportivas the same week and essentially we do pretty much the same thing it's amazing the difference in wear between them.
Sizing; is it another entry to the FiveTen style lottery?
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I've got some of the stealth adidas. Worse on wet grass than normal outdoorsy trainers, but a thousand times better than Daescents on wet grass, which were frankly a liability. Very stiff, should be great for mountain scrambling. Not really tried soloing in them or owt, I think the stiffness would take getting used to on grit. I know James Turnbull did Sardine in a pair.
More than adequate for walking into Kilnsey and Longridge.
I'm currently on slicks with the tennie's they're that worn. Given Nat bought here Sportivas the same week and essentially we do pretty much the same thing it's amazing the difference in wear between them.
Sizing; is it another entry to the FiveTen style lottery?
Nope - made by Addidas.
Jawohl.
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What tomtom said, although I have to say, the build quality is superb, they really are a solidly made bit of kit. In fact, they feel a bit too stiff and supportive to be a good easy gritstone shoe. They are going to need a resole long before the uppers show any sign of wear. I use mine for warming up, the pub and bimbling to and from crags on rocky paths. Had to go slightly large on the size, 44 when I'm more often than not a 43.
The problem on mud and wet grass applies to any of the climbing orientated approach shoes really. For approaching mountain crags in the UK, I've got some Sportiva fell shoes which are the absolute nuts. They weigh fuck all, have loops to clip to my harness and the rubber studs are sticky enough to feel OK on easy rock terrain. On steep grass and mud they feel like mini crampons, and they are pretty good in the snow as well (ice is a different story of course).
I prefer the dual shoe approach, as I've never found anything which works well on rock and steep grass other than a boot or walking shoe with tread and a climbing zone at the front, but these are then too stiff and heavy to comfortably clip to the harness.
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Sizing; is it another entry to the FiveTen style lottery?
I think they're just sized normally. I bought two pairs of different sizes then sent one back. Depends how much of a climbing fit you need.
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Fiveten seem to have ruined the Guide Tennie which leaves me struggling for approach shoes.
You mean the Insights? I quite like them?
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I have an older model of these Salomons. Dry, tough as and very secure underfoot. I'd get another pair.
http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/salomon-mens-escambia-gtx-shoe-b1222604?id_colour=3524 (http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/salomon-mens-escambia-gtx-shoe-b1222604?id_colour=3524)
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I've been a big fan of Meindl over the years, and have had several pairs of Goretex approach shoes from them. When I came to replace them the 'standard' price for a decent brand of waterproof approach shoes now seems to be £120 :o
I ended up getting a pair of waterproof shoes from Decathlon for exactly 10 fuck alls. These were on sale, still a bargain at full price...
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/forclaz-500-mens-waterproof-walking-shoes-brown-id_8327927.html
No they aren't Meindl, but they are fine, comfy and cost £40 (now) not £125!
As an aside, I was impressed with the range of shoes in Sports Direct. Also worth a visit.
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You mean the Insights? I quite like them?
No, the updated guide tennie which look OK in photos but are actually very bulky. They also didn't feel very well made :slap:
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Oh OK. Our lass has them, they aren't particularly bulky, but agree about build quality.
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Hit me up with some beta on approach shoes. As always, beta on bargain bin replacements would be appreciated!
I have three options:
Dry approach that I might want to climb: Evolv Cruzer http://www.evolvsports.com/shop/approach-shoes/cruzer-slate/ Lightweight, cheapish, not bad to climb in, sole of death on wet grass a la guide tennie
Wet grass/mountain route approach (Lakes/Wales): Innov8 Talons - my fell running shoe - lightweight, not good to actually climb in but great on the actual approach.
5.10 Camp Fours - I've used these for everything but they are a jack of all trades - neither great to climb in nor good on the wet grass approach of death, they're heavy and when they get wet they take an age to dry out. The new ones look even worse. They mostly get worn to walk from the car to the wall or the car to a gritstone crag for a bouldering session
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Dry approach that I might want to climb: Evolv Cruzer http://www.evolvsports.com/shop/approach-shoes/cruzer-slate/ Lightweight, cheapish, not bad to climb in, sole of death on wet grass a la guide tennie
I found these to be so lightweight that on even moderate approaches you wanted a more rugged shoe.
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Yeah, what is it with 5.10 ... systematically ruining most of their best products?
Charles Cole now lives in Dinosaur, Colorado and writes Astrophysics papers (http://www.skysthelimit.com/about.html).
The best approach shoes I ever had for the UK were a pair of fell-running shoes (Walshes, I'm sure Innov8s could work too) whose studs had worn a little. I had the front quarter resoled with Stealth rubber. The heel and ball of the foot was still plenty grippy on wet grass, the toe climbed like a comfortable rock-shoe. I did all the classic routes on the E.Face of Tryfan in an afternoon, the Cuillin Ridge, and Eagle Ridge followed by the five Lochnagar Munros in them. Ideal for this kind of thing.
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Actual 'approach' shoes a la tennies and similar are designed for the californian approaches walking up low angle granite slabs for a few hundred feet, and and dry dusty trails. They are brilliant at this; but as more or less everone else says shite at getting to any uk crags except the ones you could walk to in a pair of £2 flip flops anyway. They do however make you look like a climber in the pub, which can be good or bad.
Also agree with the masses in that running shoes are by far the best approach shoes for the uk, i've got some asics trail shoes, gtx lined - and been pretty water proof, comfortable rugged and light. They were about £40 in sports direct about 4 or 5 years ago and still fine.
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Charles Cole now lives in Dinosaur, Colorado and writes Astrophysics papers (http://www.skysthelimit.com/about.html).
:look:
Sutor, ne ultra crepidam
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Another "running shoes" advocate. Just bought a pair of Inov8 Trailroc 245's. Perfect.
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Sutor, ne ultra crepidam
A load of cobblers?
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I bought a pair of La Sportiva Gandas for going to yosemite a couple of years back. They were expensive, heavy and sweaty but they did climb and approach well, like someone said, on granite an dusty trails. I can't count the number of times I ended up flat on my arse on wet grass or mud. I'm amazed shoes with dimples sell in the UK!
Since then I got them resoled with a proper mountain vibram sole. Don't climb so well but grippy as shit on a stick in all connies.
They are, however, even heavier than fucked now. So bad for multipitch.
A lot of my mates have innov-8s or similar and they seem ideal. Next time that's wjatwI'm going for i'm
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I think what this thread is demonstrating is that you probably can't have something that is all three of the below, you can only have two:
- lightweight
- climbs well (good rubber, flat-ish sole, non-clumpy shape)
- walks well (good on mud, keeps feet dry etc)
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What Dave said.
As I'm mostly venturing to sport locations ATM and currently have no big trips planned I've gone for the 'das. For shoes that I'd clip to a harness (or more often than not my second) I haven't a clue what I'd buy.
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For shoes that I'd clip to a harness (or more often than not my second) I haven't a clue what I'd buy.
Barefoot style running shoes which weigh < 200gms seem popular with a few Guides I know. E.g. http://www.merrell.com/UK/en_GB/trail-glove-3/17571M.html?ref=barefoot&dwvar_17571M_color=J03903#q=barefoot&start=1
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Just to bump this up again as I was so impressed with the wear out of these (http://www.sportsdirect.com/karrimor-hot-rock-low-mens-walking-shoes-183714?colcode=18371403) over the last 8 months that I've just bought another pair!
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Just to bump this up again as I was so impressed with the wear out of these (http://www.sportsdirect.com/karrimor-hot-rock-low-mens-walking-shoes-183714?colcode=18371403) over the last 8 months that I've just bought another pair!
Hot rocks huh.... ;)
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Just to bump this up again as I was so impressed with the wear out of these (http://www.sportsdirect.com/karrimor-hot-rock-low-mens-walking-shoes-183714?colcode=18371403) over the last 8 months that I've just bought another pair!
As good as they may be, Mike Ashley can suck my balls, he's not getting a penny of my money.
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Just to bump this up again as I was so impressed with the wear out of these (http://www.sportsdirect.com/karrimor-hot-rock-low-mens-walking-shoes-183714?colcode=18371403) over the last 8 months that I've just bought another pair!
As good as they may be, Mike Ashley can suck my balls, he's not getting a penny of my money.
I ordered something through SD last year. It still feels dirty...
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I know the feeling, especially so, now I've got an email saying their website has been hacked
We are sorry to inform you that we have uncovered evidence that SportPursuit has been the victim of an attempted data hack, which may have affected a limited number of SportPursuit members. The fact that you are receiving this email means that you may be affected.
Our advice is that you remain vigilant over the coming days. Should you see any evidence of unusual activity on your bank account or credit card, you should contact your bank immediately to report this.
The SportPursuit team acted immediately to fix the problem, and the issue has been resolved. You can continue to use our site with confidence that your transactions are secure.
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Do you bother to carry them up the Chief or do you opt for sandals or something equally lightweight?
The 'das are still holding up well.
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I heard that the hard men go in by helicopter.
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Do you bother to carry them up the Chief or do you opt for sandals or something equally lightweight?
The 'das are still holding up well.
Evolv cruisers are the thing for clipping to harness.
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I know the feeling, especially so, now I've got an email saying their website has been hacked
We are sorry to inform you that we have uncovered evidence that SportPursuit has been the victim of an attempted data hack, which may have affected a limited number of SportPursuit members. The fact that you are receiving this email means that you may be affected.
Our advice is that you remain vigilant over the coming days. Should you see any evidence of unusual activity on your bank account or credit card, you should contact your bank immediately to report this.
The SportPursuit team acted immediately to fix the problem, and the issue has been resolved. You can continue to use our site with confidence that your transactions are secure.
Are SportPursuit owned by Sports Direct/Mike Ashley now? Bugger, another company to cross off the list. I've only just realised Sweatshop (quite an appropriate name for a Mike Ashley business) is one of his.....
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Are SportPursuit owned by Sports Direct/Mike Ashley now? Bugger, another company to cross off the list. I've only just realised Sweatshop (quite an appropriate name for a Mike Ashley business) is one of his.....
I think there was some confusion between sportpursuit and sportdirect by SA Chris, though I do know that not only does Mike Ashley own sportdirect but also karrimor and most of the other brands in there (lonsdale, no fear etc.) see http://www.sportsdirectplc.com/our-brands/sports-and-leisure.aspx and http://www.sportsdirectplc.com/our-brands/fashion-and-lifestyle.aspx for many more things to avoid
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My bad, sorry. Either support a sweatshop, or get your account hacked. Rock / hard place.
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Do you bother to carry them up the Chief or do you opt for sandals or something equally lightweight?
The 'das are still holding up well.
Evolv cruisers are the thing for clipping to harness.
Been looking at the newer model of these, as they are much lighter than 5.10s for clipping to my (yeah right, my second's) harness. Bit of a tougher build than the old ones, but still look really light.
Are they instant death on wet grass, or not too bad?
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Inov8 F-Lite 195 is the shoe for near weightless harness clipping & yet not dying on the descent
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Inov8 F-Lite 195 is the shoe for near weightless harness clipping & yet not dying on the descent
+1. Or one of the X-talons with a deeper stud.
Expensive, not that durable, but ideal for LH+F.
Primark did an F-lite knock-off (50g heavier and £70 cheaper) last year but blink and they were gone.
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Inov8 F-Lite 195 is the shoe for near weightless harness clipping & yet not dying on the descent
+1. Or one of the X-talons with a deeper stud.
Expensive, not that durable, but ideal for LH+F.
DUrability isn't that bad. I've had mine for two years, do all my indoor training in them that requires shoes (stair climbing, step-ups, weights), plus a a few weekends of long approaches/descents per summer, plus couple of full days hiking/scrambling in the Kaisergebirge in bad weather. The mesh is a bit scuffed on the outside of one of them, but I expect to get another two summers out of them.
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After year's of pursuing the perfect approach shoe, I have now settled for a skate shoe - wellies combo. Either or rather than at the same time. Loads cheaper, more durable and effective. Mind you not great for mountaineering, but I have mountain boots for that...
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Been wearing Camp 4 tennies for ages now and my current pair are about to drop off my feet. They annoy me because they soak up water like a sponge and take absolutely ages to dry out too. Any recommendations for a shoe (traditional "climbing" approach shoe or even a running shoe) that will tick the boxes in this order of priority:
1. Good in the mud/wet grass/rocky approaches
2. Good water resistance
3. Sticky for scrambling round the base of the crag and for climbing up to about HS
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Been wearing Camp 4 tennies for ages now and my current pair are about to drop off my feet. They annoy me because they soak up water like a sponge and take absolutely ages to dry out too. Any recommendations for a shoe (traditional "climbing" approach shoe or even a running shoe) that will tick the boxes in this order of priority:
1. Good in the mud/wet grass/rocky approaches
2. Good water resistance
3. Sticky for scrambling round the base of the crag and for climbing up to about HS
Can confirm that Scarpa Zen Pros and Scarpa Vitamins both absorb water like there's no tomorrow. You'd think being even slightly water resistant would be a basic requirement for outdoorsy shoes.
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Been wearing Camp 4 tennies for ages now and my current pair are about to drop off my feet. They annoy me because they soak up water like a sponge and take absolutely ages to dry out too. Any recommendations for a shoe (traditional "climbing" approach shoe or even a running shoe) that will tick the boxes in this order of priority:
1. Good in the mud/wet grass/rocky approaches
2. Good water resistance
3. Sticky for scrambling round the base of the crag and for climbing up to about HS
Flat soled approach shoes for UK winter use questing about on the moors are sub optimal when you consider the huge range of fell/trail shoes out there. They have a more suitable sole, are designed to get wet and dry easily and some of them have sticky rubber e.g. Sportiva Bushido. You might not look cool like Sharma, but you can also do some hill reps after throwing down on your remote, hill side bloc. Oh, and they're light so you can clip em to your harness if you also do trad.
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I bought a pair of Scarpa Crux at the start of the summer and I really rate them - pretty good on rock (not as good as tennies) but way better on mud and relatively water resistant (they were great when I first got them - they are understandably less good now but I imagine if I gave them a proofing they'd be better) they dry out fairly quickly too
They are pretty light, but also quite comfy and supportive and aren't sweaty (+stinky) as sin in the summer.
Seem to be pretty durable as well. I only really wear them for actual crag approaching but I reckon I'll easily get another year out of them.
Not dirt cheap but they aren't too expensive?
I personally find the fact that fell shoes are designed to get wet and dry quickly a bit shit as my feet get wet and then its grim putting my shoes back on in winter. I personally use fell shoes for mountain (+ main cliff) cragging where I need to chum about on steep mud + grass and carry my shoes up a route - but thats just me
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As I'm mostly venturing to sport locations ATM and currently have no big trips planned I've gone for the 'das. For shoes that I'd clip to a harness (or more often than not my second) I haven't a clue what I'd buy.
I glued the 'das this week which given they haven't had overly harsh use seems a bit poor.
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I bought a pair of La Sportiva Gandas for my last US trip (when I had money!!) and they were very good for that (aid, easy cracks, approach in dry/rocky terrain) but they had the usual dimple-sole issues in the mud. I later got them resoled with a vibram lugged sole and they were transformed into a much better all-rounder.
This last US trip I opted for a pair of trail running shoes as we weren't aiding, my Gandas had been binned and I couldn't afford 2 pairs and needed some runners anywya. Got some Asics Tacoma Gel which were really bad. Fell to pieces (ok, talus is not what they're designed for) but even back in Scotland they're shit for running - no grip on wet rock whatsoever and not very supportive (tired feet). Won't do that again!
Why do I tell this?
A few friends have the cheaper, lugged sole La Sportiva ... oh .... Boulder X. But wait, as I type I was on banana finger where they seem to get a poor write-up from many people fro durability.... Someone mentioned Haglofs Vertigo 11GT but that might not exist anymore.
P'ah, who knows.
These popped up too https://www.ellis-brigham.com/products/the-north-face-mens-verto-plasma/206452 but I have no idea if TNF shoes are any good.
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Anyone know the difference between and "adventure shoe" and an approach shoe?
http://www.sportiva.com/products/footwear/climbingapproach/tx4
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I personally find the fact that fell shoes are designed to get wet and dry quickly a bit shit as my feet get wet and then its grim putting my shoes back on in winter. I personally use fell shoes for mountain (+ main cliff) cragging where I need to chum about on steep mud + grass and carry my shoes up a route - but thats just me
I reckon the answer for much UK approaching are 'trail' shoes with some degree of waterproof/resistant liner. Dozens out there; eg asics, Adidas, Salamon etc. They are usually less expensive than branded approach shoes, have lugged durable soles, keep your feet dry on most stuff and you can run in them if you want to. Pretty light as well usually. They aren't perfect for actually climbing, but most uk approach doesn't really need this anyway. IMHO, tennies etc are amazing in California but basically useless for much in the uk beyond what you can walk to in flip flops anyway. They do say 'im a climber' in the pub, which is probably why most of them are worn though!
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Actual 'approach' shoes a la tennies and similar are designed for the californian approaches walking up low angle granite slabs for a few hundred feet, and and dry dusty trails. They are brilliant at this; but as more or less everone else says shite at getting to any uk crags except the ones you could walk to in a pair of £2 flip flops anyway. They do however make you look like a climber in the pub, which can be good or bad.
They aren't perfect for actually climbing, but most uk approach doesn't really need this anyway. IMHO, tennies etc are amazing in California but basically useless for much in the uk beyond what you can walk to in flip flops anyway. They do say 'im a climber' in the pub, which is probably why most of them are worn though!
Are you a bot, Toby?
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The current version of the Camp 4 have really good soles with a deep tread- completely different to the version you have Will. They're less padded too so don't soak up water as badly too. I really like mine.
I've lost track of how many times I fell on my arse in Guide Tennies though. They delaminated too.
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I've been using the Evolv Cruzer Psyche this summer, which I really like.
Really light, and sticky rubber which is the main thing I want out of an approach shoe.
I've found they grip okay in wet grass/mud, better than the Guide Tennies, and they also haven't delaminated like the 5.10s have.
Downside, they obviously aren't the toughest construction, but I reckon I'll get another summer's use out of them, and they are half the price of some other approach shoes.
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I had the older version of Camp4 a few years back - were fucking dreadful. The heel was way too high and chunky and I would often turn my ankle over on the heel of the boot. The front were not technical enough to climb in, and the profile somehow constricted my toes in cold weather so once you got got cold feet on a winters day bouldering you couldn't get them warm again. Luckily they fell apart before too long.
My current approach shoes are the (now discontinued?) adidas stealth ones. For the type of stuff I would wear approach shoes for as opposed to walking boots they are great.
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Actual 'approach' shoes a la tennies and similar are designed for the californian approaches walking up low angle granite slabs for a few hundred feet, and and dry dusty trails. They are brilliant at this; but as more or less everone else says shite at getting to any uk crags except the ones you could walk to in a pair of £2 flip flops anyway. They do however make you look like a climber in the pub, which can be good or bad.
They aren't perfect for actually climbing, but most uk approach doesn't really need this anyway. IMHO, tennies etc are amazing in California but basically useless for much in the uk beyond what you can walk to in flip flops anyway. They do say 'im a climber' in the pub, which is probably why most of them are worn though!
Are you a bot, Toby?
:lol:
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I have gone down the route of saying that I'll wear boots more often in winter for seriously boggy, dewy, walk ins; with the approach shoes worn when it's been dry and for summer tradding.
Gone with these (officially to be unwrapped on Christmas Day but may get worn beforehand!).
http://www.sportiva.com/helios-sr.html
They're breathable, fast drying, and very light. Got a weird wavy tread on the bottom which will hopefully be good on steep grass/mud. They also have a pull loop on the back which is useful for clipping them to a harness. The hardest thing about finding a trail running shoe to use as an approach shoe was finding one that fit my narrow feet (Inov-8s are quite broad) which also had a tag loop on the back. Will report back after road testing.
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Has anyone had a pair of Mens Acrux FL Approach Shoes (Arc'teryx)?
How do they size compared to the average street shoe?
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Can't avoid a bargain and my 'das have split, been glued, split again, been glued and now reside in the bin.
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Rock and Run have some Scarpa approach shoes on offer. I can't say if they're any good though.
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Rock and Run have some Scarpa approach shoes on offer. I can't say if they're any good though.
£50 for Women's Cruxes, just what the GF was after. Thank you :2thumbsup:
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Can't avoid a bargain and my 'das have split, been glued, split again, been glued and now reside in the bin.
Bargain? They seem to be about £150?
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Sportpursuit are flogging them off for £80.
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Cheers Tom. Tempting.....
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I use a pair of Salomon XA Pro GTX shoes.
http://www.salomon.com/uk/product/xa-pro-3d-gtx.html
Great quality build, really comfy, decent grip and waterproof as they use Gore-Tex.
Really can't get my head around why more approach shoes aren't waterproof. For walk-ins involving long grass (Dartmoor!) they're facking brilliant.
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Sportpursuit are flogging them off for £80.
...there you go. I've ordered a pair of the 7.5 so when they come and I can let you know about sizing Galpinos if you wish?
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Sportpursuit are flogging them off for £80.
...there you go. I've ordered a pair of the 7.5 so when they come and I can let you know about sizing Galpinos if you wish?
That'd be great Paul. What's your normal show size? Did you go GTX or not?
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These:
https://www.sportpursuit.com/catalog/product/view/id/896939
I'm 7 in Adidas (ZX 500). I've just got a pair of 5.10 Approach (Xmas) more as trainers in a 7 (these are tight). I wouldn't entertain walking anywhere further than Kilnsey in these as they feel as if they'll just fall apart.
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Sportpursuit are flogging them off for £80.
...there you go. I've ordered a pair of the 7.5 so when they come and I can let you know about sizing Galpinos if you wish?
Did you get them Paul? Any first impressions/sizing info?
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Yes, they have arrived:
They seem very light for what they are.
The construction seems like an all-in-one type, with everything moulded together, I'm not sure how well it'll last?
The sides have thin material with perforations, any water and your foot will be getting soaked (but I guess you'll stay dry if it's a bit sweaty).
The inner sock is a bit odd and might become frustrating if you wore them out cragging / bloddering (on/off/on/off etc.).
I'm usually a size 7-7.5 (7 in 'das), I've got a lot of toe room at 7.5 in these. However, with a decent pair of socks on they almost feel too narrow at the broadest part of my foot.
I'm not sure I'd pick them in a shop. :devangel: They're probably going back.
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Sounds like a no then,. Cheers for the feedback.
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Sounds like a no then,. Cheers for the feedback.
What size are you? I could delay return for a while and take them to Manc depot one night I was heading that way if useful.
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I'd get some of these
http://www.fiveten.com/uk/outdoor/approach/access-carbon (http://www.fiveten.com/uk/outdoor/approach/access-carbon)
Best approach shoe that I've used from Five Ten in years, by quite some way. I've absolutely ragged mine and put them in all sorts of situations and no failure point after one year. I'm really harsh on shoes as well... not exactly a kind user. I tread the heels down, where them in the mud, wet, whatever. I reckon I could go through 2-3 pairs of any other shoe with the same use.
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Sounds like a no then,. Cheers for the feedback.
What size are you? I could delay return for a while and take them to Manc depot one night I was heading that way if useful.
Cheers Paul but I'[m a 9.5/10. I was a bit unsure anyway (can't resist a bargain) but will save my pennies. I will probably just get another pair of fell shoes.....
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Best approach shoe that I've used from Five Ten in years, by quite some way. I've absolutely ragged mine and put them in all sorts of situations and no failure point after one year. I'm really harsh on shoes as well... not exactly a kind user. I tread the heels down, where them in the mud, wet, whatever. I reckon I could go through 2-3 pairs of any other shoe with the same use.
Said the sponsored athelete :-[
Sorry but I'm unconvinced by this; I've got a pair of the Access in mesh (maybe this is the difference), maroon. I'd be amazed if they last a year being used as a normal trainer! They seem to size up quite small IMO too.
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Said the sponsored athelete :-[
Sorry but I'm unconvinced by this; I've got a pair of the Access in mesh (maybe this is the difference), maroon. I'd be amazed if they last a year being used as a normal trainer! They seem to size up quite small IMO too.
I would imagine the dotty sole would leave you on your arse quite a lot trying access British mountain crags.
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A new meaning to "Get in the sea"?
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Best approach shoe that I've used from Five Ten in years, by quite some way. I've absolutely ragged mine and put them in all sorts of situations and no failure point after one year. I'm really harsh on shoes as well... not exactly a kind user. I tread the heels down, where them in the mud, wet, whatever. I reckon I could go through 2-3 pairs of any other shoe with the same use.
Said the sponsored athelete :-[
Sorry but I'm unconvinced by this; I've got a pair of the Access in mesh (maybe this is the difference), maroon. I'd be amazed if they last a year being used as a normal trainer! They seem to size up quite small IMO too.
I am not sponsored and have been very happy with the non-mesh version (3 months use with non-appreciable wear so far).
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I wear inov8 roclite 295 for approach stuff - amazingly tough given the negligible weight, can get GTX version too if you want, great sole for wet grass etc
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I have the Guide Tennie (I think that's the model, grey leather/blue fabric).
Best shoe I've had in a long while. Dotty soles are the dog's bollocks on wet granite and mud alike. Ran a 12k across Dartmoor, in the autumn, in them. Only problem is they pick up leaves etc really badly, leading to me being in the cack for walking it into the house. Daily wear as trainer/work shoe too. 18 months old, maybe six left?
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Conversely mine failed (toe rubber peeled away) walking (~6 miles) from the Mountain Shop in Yosemite to the base of Snake Dyke (or perhaps Reg NW face). Nat's Sportiva Boulder X's bought on the same day (in 2013) which have been roughly through the same as mine, are still going strong (and I've been through another pair since, along with plenty of shoe goo).
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Never liked the Guide tennie. Clumpy, stiff, heavy, and my pair delaminated within weeks. Admittedly they are the best edging trainer I've had.
Five ten's strength for me was always the smedging ability, as exemplified by the Daescents, which means on rough rock you can climb almost as hard as rock boots.
Anyone got any beta on the current crop? Those access carbon look okay for approaching (ideally with a ghetto blaster on shoulder) but not so much climbing...
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Paul, I wouldn't bother saying if I didn't think it. Stop being such a negative arse. I'm trying to help out... I'd just say silent otherwise.
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Paul, I wouldn't bother saying if I didn't think it. Stop being such a negative arse. I'm trying to help out... I'd just say silent otherwise.
Tom, aren't they "death on a stick" on wet grass like guide tennies? I'm not sure I'd love wandering around on the gogarth grassy banks in them?
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No, they're much better for some reason. I think they've changed the rubber composition on these (taken from their wet / canyon stuff??) but I completely know what you're referencing. I think I was more injured at Font from slipping on snow in Guides than climbing problems! It was always a bit scary as you got so used to the friction on rock, but polar opposite on wet grass. I really rate these new shoes. Yeah, no shoe will do everything, but the level of compromise and acceptable levels across the whole range of the features is impressive IMO - and I'm pretty harsh!
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I don't recognise them. Never a problem. \_[emoji53]_/
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Funky colours, anti-slip soles, insulated for warmth and bomb proof, All the rage on Exmoor :2thumbsup:
http://images.esellerpro.com/3278/I/653/8/C662343.jpg
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Perhaps I've been overly quick to judge the new Approach although seemingly the mesh was the wrong choice (Tom and I have kissed and made up elsewhere BTW).
I remembered this:
https://twitter.com/BrokenBennett/status/648457692105867264?s=09
which shows Nat's Sportivas on the RHS, my very glued tennies and finally the replacement 'das. It's a shame I didn't snap a picture of these (the 'das) last month when I stuck them in the bin as they were ruined (glued the outer rand for the inner to fail etc.). The Sportivas still live.
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Yeah, no shoe will do everything, but the level of compromise and acceptable levels across the whole range of the features is impressive IMO - and I'm pretty harsh!
So are they good for climbing? Tend to do all my gritstone mileage soloing in trainers, mostly ~VS but up to about E2.
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Nothing will hit the mark compared to the Daescents (I think both you and I are fans of those....? The one's that are basically like a climbing shoe at the front) but I can climb hard than other shoes in them - it doesn't depend on your fit and style I think. The mid sole is really soft, so you can only smear IMO. I'd rank:
Daescent
The one I said from this thread
Original guide tennie
New guide tennie
Camp 4
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There's the new "approach pro" coming this year as well....
http://www.mountainblog.eu/product/five-ten-approach-pro-summer-2017/
http://www.fiveten.com/us/outdoor/approach-pro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li26MpFlMsE
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There's the new "approach pro" coming this year as well....
Launched today I think?
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They look really promising, though still look to have dotty tread on the front.
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Never liked the Guide tennie. Clumpy, stiff, heavy, and my pair delaminated within weeks. Admittedly they are the best edging trainer I've had.
Five ten's strength for me was always the smedging ability, as exemplified by the Daescents, which means on rough rock you can climb almost as hard as rock boots.
I found a very tight pair of Guide TEnnies (old shape) was far superior to Daescents for soloing on grit and what not. For some reason the edge on my Daescents sticks out compared to the footprint of the foot, so they are imprecise and bulge out, too sloppy. Maybe they were OK when new but they seem to have stretched a lot. They just don't feel confidence inspiring for anything other than pure smearing for me. On the other hand the Guides felt pretty solid on most stuff. The edge just seemed more precise.
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'Very tight' rather defeats the point of trainers for me. Yes, guides are better for edging, but only that, and way inferior for everything else. If I soloed on slate it might be a consideration. I've got quite wide feet though so maybe a better fit.
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I wouldn't buy em that tight again, but even my replacement pair a size bigger were more precise than Daescents. Just to do with the basic shape of the toe and edge profile. Also Daescents are almost too lightly built, you'd almost be better off climbing barefoot. Zero support, zero protection. Rather defeats the point of trainers for me.
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Strange then, that my guides lasted a fortnight whilst my Daescents have lasted longer than any other of my sticky trainers. And when, as implied by he name, you're carrying them for the descent off a big route, there's no such thing as too light. If I want support and protection I've got some lightweight walking boots.
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I wouldn't wear the Daescents on any descent that involved damp grass if I wanted to live. Only marginally better than descending in rockshoes. Again, rather defeats the point of trainers for me.
My Dasecents have lasted well but mainly because they are now relegated to taking the bins out or driving to the School. It's scarcely ever dry enough underfoot to warrant wearing them out and about in the Peak except in high summer.
The weak point of the Guides was the single piece flat sole sheet coming off, mainly because FiveTen rely on the friction of the rubber alone to hold it on. My first pair lasted a month, took back to shop with receipt, second pair lasted 6 months, taken back to shop with receipt, final pair I dropped on some where they had used glue so the sole then outlasted the rest of the shoe.
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Guides being famously good on wet grass, and impervious to damp of course.
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Guides being famously good on wet grass, and impervious to damp of course.
Compared to Daescents, yes.
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After the discussion above, ordered a pair of Access shoes that arrived today. Went up half a euro size from normal trainers (42.5 instead of 42) and seems to be just right.
It was hard to resist - as they were half price for no apparent reason and I had a load of gift cards to use up : http://www.auvieuxcampeur.fr/access.html
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Got a pair of these just after Christmas and really can't recommend them highly enough...
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/sh-mh500-wtp-m-brown-id_8383667.html
Comfortable, warm, waterproof and built to last!
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Thought I'd flag up that the 5.10 Access Mesh are £45 at Rock+Run at the moment with most sizes available.
https://rockrun.com/collections/approach-shoes (https://rockrun.com/collections/approach-shoes)
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Thread bump as my old five tens are on the way out.
Anyone bought anything recently which seemed particularly good?
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What do you want to use them for?
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Basically walking to the crag; the 5 Tennies I've had the past few years have done the job. Before that I had some Salewa Wildfire which were great but are now very expensive. Basically nothing out of the ordinary which makes the £120 Scarpa ones seem a bit excessive!
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If you can find a pair the five ten access are good and kinda similar to the tennies (light-ish, good sole etc.) I've had a couple of pairs and they've lasted about a year each.
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If you can find your size in the sales/clearances, the Sportiva TX4's are excellent. Feel soft and comfy like slippers or skate shoes when you put them on, but perform like beefed up boots when out in the hills.
I gave a pair a run for the money through the summer in Switzerlamd and the Dolomites for a couple of months of daily use valley-to-summit so to speak and they held up awesomely and are still going strong, and the grip is spot on in anything but snow (doh). Tarmac does noticeably kill the soles but not as bad as with the tennies.
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If you can find a pair the five ten access are good and kinda similar to the tennies (light-ish, good sole etc.) I've had a couple of pairs and they've lasted about a year each.
Far bendier though and completely porous.
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For whatever it's worth, I've had a pair of Scarpa Cruxs for about three years now which have gotten regular use, twice a week minimum. The raised rubber on the sides aids in stopping water flowing in from puddles, which is always appreciated.
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lasted about a year each.
Wearing just as approach shoes? Or really thrashing them?
Am I showing my age/frugality or is this a sign of how much of a throwaway society we live in? For a pair of supposedly high quality approach shoes to last 'only' a year seems terrible to me.
On that note... Absolutely do NOT buy anything from North Ridge I bought a pair of their 'Blazer Trail Running shoes'. These were not mega cheap £70 after reduction from £100ish, but also not top price range but were awful. After 3 months of very light use (the odd dog walk, but mostly had been in my hiking boots as its been so wet and wearing as approach shoes which for me is a once a week affair) then 1 week in Font the soles had completely separated from the shoe. Luckily Go Outdoors took them back and refunded without a single question asked when the lad on the counter took one look at them.
So following that failed purchase I'm also in the market for a 'decent' (my definition hopes to include a lifespan of more than a year...) pair of approach shoes. Would also be used for fair weather dog walks / hikes.
Was tempted by-
These Salomon trail running shoes, but the tread looks fairly extreme so don't think they'd be compfy on hard surfaces. Also not sure how robust they'd be:
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/speedcross-4-id_8366265.html?opeco=Block3-Product4&type=Sales
Also numerous times recently at the crag I've seen people with a pair of the Decathlon own brand 'Quechua' shoes that look like a rip off / copy of the Scarpa Crux (https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15898253/scarpa-crux-men-s-approach-shoe-15898253), a couple of people spoke fairly highly of them but they appear to be sold out. I might just go for the legit Scarpa version as they look a very nice shoe to me, but are the upper end of my budget. Also traditionally Scarpa don't fit my narrow feet very well but will probably be fine with socks on.
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I'd avoid the speedcross for general use. They are designed for mud / grass/ loose wet surfaces (and snow?), so have deep lugs and a hard rubber and are not great on wet hard surfaces, and don't have a lot in the way of comfort. I use them for mountain running, and at that price, tempted to get another pair, as mine are nearly trashed.
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I use the speed cross as approach shoes, they are built definitely for mud though, wet rock can be like skating sometimes. Bonus points is they are super light compared to tennies etc.. My pair get used for everything now they are a bit knackered and tarmac has seemed to have a fairly negative effect on them. I have some old tennies that i used for big-walling, and much prefer the speedcross in the UK due to weight, grip on mud (which is most approaches this winter) and they seem better suited for what I do. Unless you are going to do easy climbs in them I would get speedcross.
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If I know remus (and I do) that'll be a year of absolutely trashing them! He climbs >150 days a year, and prob wears them the rest of the time too...
That said, my five ten aescents have been worn pretty much every day for the past 2 years and are only now giving up the ghost.
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If I know remus (and I do) that'll be a year of absolutely trashing them! He climbs >150 days a year, and prob wears them the rest of the time too...
That said, my five ten aescents have been worn pretty much every day for the past 2 years and are only now giving up the ghost.
Fair enough! Can probably triple that for my usage then :D
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I'd just like to take this opportunity to slate La Sportiva. I'm really fucked off with them. I their approach and rock shoes and on every one of the last 10 or so pairs of shoes that I've had from them, the laces/velcro straps/stitched bits that the velcro buckle thing attaches to/etc have been the first thing to go. Before even the rubber on the rock shoes. If they're lace ups then, sure, you can relace them, but the Miura Lace Ups have these long, thin leather tubes that you'd have to thread the lace through - nigh on fucking impossible.
It's a complete pain in the arse and if their shoes didn't fit so well then I'd move on to someone else in a heartbeat.
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I’d agree with that for La Sportiva Shoes, though I’ve switched over to Instincts now.
I always had that problem with the muira VS and took to getting new leather Velcro buckles stitched on at the local cobblers. Right pain in the arse.
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Boyager ate through a strap on my right Otaki. Took them back to Outside who sent them to La Sportiva. Came back with a patch fix and they've stood up to the abuse since including a couple or three resoles and new rands.
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If I know remus (and I do) that'll be a year of absolutely trashing them! He climbs >150 days a year, and prob wears them the rest of the time too...
I wish I climbed 150 days per year! I do wear them everyday though so they're definitely getting a good bit of use.
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Must be close...
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If the weather this autumn hadn't been so shit I reckon you'd have made it
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Basically walking to the crag
If you can find a pair the five ten access are good and kinda similar to the tennies (light-ish, good sole etc.) I've had a couple of pairs and they've lasted about a year each.
I have a pair of 5.10 access as well. They were great in Rocklands when fairly new (only non-rock shoes I took) but I wouldn't wear them for crag walk ins in the UK; they're terrible on mud which accounts for most UK walk ins and just not built durably enough to last sustained abuse. Plus they're not warm enough in my opinion.
See loads of people wearing them though so maybe I'm in a minority. They're great for general comfortable wear! I think I actually like them too much to want to ruin them on muddy walk ins :lol:
I've had a pair of Lowa Renegade GTX for the last couple of years, and can't imagine a better shoe for walking anywhere in the UK. Super comfortable, nice and lightweight (for a proper walking boot), really sturdy yet flexible and great on all sorts of terrain. My pair are still in great condition despite a couple of years of pretty heavy use (at least twice a week, every week, mud, rock, easy scrambling, etc.). I've worn them for all day walks in the hills and to get across the bog at Almscliff and they've been exceptional. Still completely waterproof too, even fully immersed in a stream. Can't recommend highly enough.
https://www.lowa.co.uk/shop/product-13-renegade-gtx-mid-2018
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I have a pair of 5.10 access as well. They were great in Rocklands when fairly new (only non-rock shoes I took) but I wouldn't wear them for crag walk ins in the UK; they're terrible on mud which accounts for most UK walk ins and just not built durably enough to last sustained abuse. Plus they're not warm enough in my opinion.
See loads of people wearing them though so maybe I'm in a minority. They're great for general comfortable wear! I think I actually like them too much to want to ruin them on muddy walk ins :lol:
:agree: Lots of people seem fine wearing then for everything but I think that’s more a sign that they’d be happy with any old trainers than an indication that there’s anything special about Accesses.
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:agree:
And literally everywhere seemed to over order them so there were tonnes going cheap for the gannets (like me) to pick up.
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These:
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/arpenaz-50-warm-mens-snow-boots-black-id_8344304.html?iv_=__iv_p_1_g_66734596961_c_316432603648_w_pla-329717981262_n_g_d_c_v__l__t__r_1o4x_pla_y_15177021_f_online_o_894037_z_GB_i_en_j_329717981262_s__e__h_9046620_ii__vi__&gclid=CjwKCAiAgqDxBRBTEiwA59eEN9T6PUwWh0KICvlujfMBlsHKhAEV_CZUy9QyCKVbhIvgOI-zTYW5SxoCDOAQAvD_BwE
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I got some similar to these and find them well sketchy in mud and wet rock, maybe the Decathlon ones perform better!
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I got some similar to these and find them well sketchy in mud and wet rock, maybe the Decathlon ones perform better!
I had some similar ones a few years back that were basically all the same moulded plastic that were lethal...
These however - are amazing on wet gritstone! Better than my usual Salomon approach shoes (or 5:10 skate shoe stealth soled thingies). Not actually THAT warm despite being for snow.. and not much sole cushioning. But they're £13....
(& just about tall enough to wade to Rubicon :) )
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Basically walking to the crag; ...
If the crag is a typical British hill, moor, or sea cliff - grassy and slippy and a bit muddy - fell running shoes or hiking boots usually work better than approach shoes. I like Walshes (https://www.peteblandsports.co.uk/buy/walsh-unisex-pb-ultra-xtreme_4451.htm) (made in Bolton) but it depends on your foot type.
If the crag is in a bog, wellies work better than approach shoes. Nokia bog trotters (https://www.fwtyson.co.uk/nokianfinntrim-m-bog-trotter-boot-219-p.asp) are the anasazi Pinks of the wellie world.
Approach shoes originated in Spain and California and if the walk-in is across dry and warm limestone or granite, approach shoes are great. The Decathlon ones fit me pretty well.
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But they're £13....
Maybe I've been reading the Guardian too often, but something this cheap which I instinctively think ought to be more expensive makes me wonder how much child labour / exploitative working conditions/ earth destroying materials / carbon emissions / etc. have gone into their production.
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But they're £13....
Maybe I've been reading the Guardian too often, but something this cheap which I instinctively think ought to be more expensive makes me wonder how much child labour / exploitative working conditions/ earth destroying materials / carbon emissions / etc. have gone into their production.
Yup its a hard one to call... accountabiliy and their longevity is also a key issue. No idea if Decathlog are ethical(ish?) sourcers..
Some cheap tat dissolves in a few weeks - though my fake Crocs that were £3 have lasted 8 years and are still going... Taking them as an example is their production process that much worse than the genuine item?
I'm not pretending to be climate teetotal..
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I got some similar to these and find them well sketchy in mud and wet rock, maybe the Decathlon ones perform better!
They don't the soles are more like plastic than rubber.
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But they're £13....
Maybe I've been reading the Guardian too often, but something this cheap which I instinctively think ought to be more expensive makes me wonder how much child labour / exploitative working conditions/ earth destroying materials / carbon emissions / etc. have gone into their production.
Yup its a hard one to call... accountabiliy and their longevity is also a key issue. No idea if Decathlog are ethical(ish?) sourcers..
Some cheap tat dissolves in a few weeks - though my fake Crocs that were £3 have lasted 8 years and are still going... Taking them as an example is their production process that much worse than the genuine item?
I'm not pretending to be climate teetotal..
Can't comment on Decathlon's ethical credentials but I've had a pair of those for a couple of years and they're holding up well.
More like wellies than approach shoes, so good if it's cold and snowy or very wet and muddy but I wouldn't wear them on steep approaches or anything that'd involve scrambling. They also breath like a plastic bag which means they get pretty sweaty and minging as soon as it gets at all warm.
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I usually see what's going on Sportpursuit at the time and end up with a pair waterproof trainers. Generally pay £50-70 at about half price. Currently in a pair of Columbia Montrail which are holding up well although their soles are too easily clogged up with mud and grass which make even gentle muddy or grassy slopes perilously interesting. Hard to put a price on that feeling of frisson after a small slip on wet grass. :lol:
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What's wrong with a pair of ex-German military paratrooper's boots?
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What's wrong with a pair of ex-German military paratrooper's boots?
I seem to remember your approach shoe of choice being a pair of old vans :)
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I seem to remember your approach shoe of choice being a pair of old vans :)
An old pair of Vans is my only choice of footwear in all situations.
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What's wrong with a pair of ex-German military paratrooper's boots?
Complete with brownshirt? Perfect for crushing
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I usually see what's going on Sportpursuit
Thanks for the suggestions, I had never come across that particular website before. Looks like it has some decent deals on it :thumbsup:
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https://www.sportsshoes.com/products/outdoors/walking-shoes/
as well as trail shoes section too, can have good deals.