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the shizzle => diet, training and injuries => Topic started by: Three Nine on December 12, 2016, 11:52:50 am
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I wanted to reply to power club but it seems i'm not allowed. Simon I think you might be fat because:
a) you drink alcohol. There is no excuse for this - empty calories in a form that ruins your recovery. I cant believe that anyone who really wants a sporting objective would shaft themselves by that.
b) you fret about body fat percentage. You are never going to go too low - be serious. You need to lose fat and muscle. I reckon you do your silly BFP thing and then think 'ok im quite low body fat I can eat this delicious cake'.
c) you focus on dieting in terms of 'woe is me i cant eat this and that or drink this filthy alcohol'. What if you instead changed the approach to: 'what diet will give me the very best chance of performing, recovering, not getting ill, optimizing weight etc.' Ie. focus on how good that broccoli is for you, and not the fact that its replacing a mince pie and glass of sherry (ie. obesogenic pancreas and liver disaster).
Please note. This is sort of supposed to be helpful, but mainly written cos Shark-baiting so fun.
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Some good ways of perceiving things there but if Joss Naylor and Billy Bland can run blistering Bob Graham rounds on bacon sandwiches and cans of Mackesons (true), why miss out on nice food and drink? Just keep up the cardio.
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Because bacon sandwiches and Mackesons (i assume some sort of Norther fizzy pop) contain a fair bit of carbs, fats, protein and sugars, whereas alcohol fucks you up.
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Mackesons (i assume some sort of Norther fizzy pop)
Mackesons is a milk stout champ! Fairly sure I've heard of a few mid round drams being had though this is a rather baseless report.
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Ie. focus on how good that broccoli is for you, and not the fact that its replacing a mince pie and glass of sherry (ie. obesogenic pancreas and liver disaster).
T'is the season to be jolly......
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Mackesons is a stout but only about 2%abv. A good driving beer.
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Some good ways of perceiving things there but if Joss Naylor and Billy Bland can run blistering Bob Graham rounds on bacon sandwiches and cans of Mackesons (true), why miss out on nice food and drink? Just keep up the cardio.
Just in case you're being serious -
because Shark isn't going to do that volume of cardio if he's got any sense! :tease:
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milk stout
Christ that's grim. Not proper sherry / whisky / lager / wine quaffed by the caseload the property mogul himself though.
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Some good ways of perceiving things there but if Joss Naylor and Billy Bland can run blistering Bob Graham rounds on bacon sandwiches and cans of Mackesons (true), why miss out on nice food and drink? Just keep up the cardio.
What have they ever done at Malham?
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I cant believe that anyone who really wants a sporting objective would shaft themselves by that.
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Some good ways of perceiving things there but if Joss Naylor and Billy Bland can run blistering Bob Graham rounds on bacon sandwiches and cans of Mackesons (true), why miss out on nice food and drink? Just keep up the cardio.
True dat. I once knew the then Pennine Way record holder, and he said his staple diet en route was corned beef and onion sarnies. Otoh the caloric demands of a ten metre route at Malham might be rather less than those of jogging twenty hours a day for three days.
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Please note. This is sort of supposed to be helpful, but mainly written cos Shark-baiting so fun.
Shark's not fat, he's weak.
Loads of thin people are weak.
Shark needs to get stronger. To get stronger, you need to fuel your body.
I agree, cut out the booze. But a focus on weight-loss when you're training is totally bogus.
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MacKesons looks a amazing, why have I never heard of it!?
Think I'll get some in for Christmas.
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you drink alcohol. There is no excuse for this..
It makes me happy ;D
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a) you drink alcohol. There is no excuse for this - empty calories in a form that ruins your recovery. I cant believe that anyone who really wants a sporting objective would shaft themselves by that.
Can't believe you think doing the Oak qualifies as 'a sporting achievement'. ;)
Actually I suppose it is - like 'scoring a hat-trick for your Sunday league side' is. They all drink beer too.
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MacKesons looks a amazing, why have I never heard of it!?
Think I'll get some in for Christmas.
Marstons Resolution (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/marstons-resolution-beer-beer-low-carb-157574502) worth sampling. Low carb, 4.7% and pretty tasty. Quite pricey so another incentive not to guzzle it
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I blame his choad.
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
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I cant believe that anyone who really wants a sporting objective would shaft themselves by that.
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one direction?
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
Imagine how pious he could be if he tried harder!
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
Imagine how pious he could be if he tried harder!
The poodle unleashed..!
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Shark it's not usually advertised but most pubs these days do a range of low-calorie versions of their beers which are only 50% the calories of a normal beer. Just ask for a "half".
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Please note. This is sort of supposed to be helpful, but mainly written cos Shark-baiting so fun.
Shark's not fat, he's weak.
Loads of thin people are weak.
Shark needs to get stronger. To get stronger, you need to fuel your body.
I agree, cut out the booze. But a focus on weight-loss when you're training is totally bogus.
Sentence one: no idea.
The other three?
Yep, this.
As long as Macros tally up in terms of percentage and there is no obvious vit/min deficit, sugar/salt excess, then everything else is secondary and unlikely to have a huge impact.
Less booze is never a bad thing.
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Shark must have gone to seed very quickly, as last time I saw him he looked gaunt. I mentioned it to him and he took it as a complement, but it wasn't intended as much - I was concerned that he might be ill! Coming from me, with my resemblance to a partially digested cadaver, that suggests he was pretty thin!
Incidentaly, if my own experience is any indication, going teetotal is not necessarily a panacea. I gave up alcohol entirely for 49 days (not that I was counting!) during my seige of Stolen - my weight remained constant (despite bourbon and scotch accounting for around 15% of my calories and not eating any more during that period) and I still felt vaguely hungover every morning. Still, I admit I did manage the route eventually, perhaps the heat of my righteousness and piety reduced the local humidity?
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I bet you got horribly smashed that evening though. Perhaps that was even the incentive to get it done?
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
Imagine how pious he could be if he tried harder!
Or climbed fasterTM :worms:
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I cant believe that anyone who really wants a sporting objective would shaft themselves by that.
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one direction?
Wand Erection
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Hi Moose
Calling me skinny was the highlight of my year.
It's only three nine calling me fat and he lives in a strange bubble where Barrows is known as Fatty Barrows. I've only put on about 5 or 6lbs since you saw me last. The direction of travel is concerning though
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Let's say that for Shark to successfully climb The Oak at his current level of ability, he has to climb at a rate of SOS metres per second (where SOS stands for Shark Oak Success). Is there a model equation that would let us work out how fast he would need to climb for any given addition of weight?
We could then work out how fast he would need to climb in order to be successful at his chosen fighting weight and just have him do that, thus rendering all this crabways traversing and weight watching irrelevant.
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I thought Boris Johnson and Micheel Gove promised that Brexit would mean Shark would climb the Oak.
It was on the side of that bus wasn't it?
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As the key proponent of the patented course - TomTom ClimbFaster 8-Week ProgrammeTM: be the fastest, achieve your goals - I would have thought you'd be the man for this job. Especially with your background in science.
How fast would Shark need to climb in order to climb the Oak at a weight of 18 stone?
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Surely the answer is because the Shark is crap.
The better question would be why is he crap?
The answer of course being because he is the Shark.
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It's like a fable, the RPing version of "The Scorpian and the Frog".
"Oh Shark, why did you fall off the traverse, when you looked so strong, french-blowing chalk from your sinewy hands?"
"It is not my fault; it is my nature to fail".
... and the rock wept, a trail of tears dripped from the undercut and no more climbing was possible until Spring when hope reawakened in the land.
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I think I'll lose interest in UKB if Shark does the Oak. And I've been posting here 13 years.
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I thought Boris Johnson and Micheel Gove promised that Brexit would mean Shark would climb the Oak.
It was on the side of that bus wasn't it?
That wasn't a bus it was Shark's arse.
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It's only three nine calling me fat and he lives in a strange bubble where Barrows is known as Fatty Barrows.
Thing is, it turns out I was fat all these years (and am now again). This year I was sub 11 stone for the first time ever, for about 4 months of the year, during which time I did more hard shit faster than ever before. My new fighting weight is a full half stone lighter than I used to think it was 3 or 4 years ago - it's amazing how much lighter you can get than you think!
You just have to believe... And spend a large amount of time cold and hungry.
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I think I'll lose interest in UKB if Shark does the Oak. And I've been posting here 13 years.
:-\ Shark owns UKB. Shark vs. The Oak occupies half of the content on UKB. People only really use UKB to read about Shark vs. The Oak. So it's in Shark's interest not to do The Oak.
It all makes sense now.
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
I do at least 10 of one grade before trying the next. Plus I did my route in fewer days that Shark's had years on the oak. So my bedtime and abstinence counts for something?!
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I thought Boris Johnson and Micheel Gove promised that Brexit would mean Shark would climb the Oak.
It was on the side of that bus wasn't it?
That wasn't a bus it was Shark's arse.
It definitely wasn't on a sinewy and withered looking bus. It was a big fat fucking fat red Brexit mother fucker bus.
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it's amazing how much lighter you can get than you think!
You just have to believe... And spend a large amount of time cold and hungry.
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
I do at least 10 of one grade before trying the next. Plus I did my route in fewer days that Shark's had years on the oak. So my bedtime and abstinence counts for something?!
:wank: :wank: :wank: :wank:
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Rather annoyingly, theres already a movie called Simon and the Oak (low budget swedish thing) so Shark'll have to come up with a all new boss name for his -----------> 2017 training/ successful ascent of the Oak hollywood blockbuster.
Co-incidentally a guy called Lee has also written a paper on shivering for fat loss. Get as much in 10 min as many hours of running. Tops off for power...
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it's amazing how much lighter you can get than you think!
You just have to believe... And spend a large amount of time cold and hungry.
Yes but some of us go out with non climbers and don't want to lose our homes/boards.
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Yes but some of us go out with non climbers and don't want to lose our homes/boards.
Yeah I do too- I was quoting Barrows but it's confusing 'cos the sarcastic thing I added doesn't show up on Tapatalk.
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Most 'normal' girls I've known don't want to go out with a skeleton. It makes them feel fat for one. Which is probably why 3-9 has never had a girlfriend .
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Most 'normal' girls I've known don't want to go out with a skeleton. It makes them feel fat for one. Which is probably why 3-9 has never had a girlfriend .
My Mrs often bends my ear for being too skinny (even though I'm really not by sport climber standards). She'd much rather I had a rugby player's physique. Me telling her that this wouldn't be conducive to climbing up random bits of rock doesn't seem to carry much, er, weight.
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This is one of the best ukb threads i have read this year
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if you want cheering up, Shark, I'll come round and have a go on your body fat measuring device and see if I can set a new high score
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if you want cheering up, Shark, I'll come round and have a go on your body fat measuring device and see if I can set a new high score
Are you going to use the old 'slabs of pork belly placed under the arms' trick to hustle the machine again...?
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... it's amazing how much lighter you can get than you think!
You just have to believe... And spend a large amount of time cold and hungry.
You make it sound so appealing!
There's another reason on the long list of why I won't climb 9a.
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Most 'normal' girls I've known don't want to go out with a skeleton. It makes them feel fat for one. Which is probably why 3-9 has never had a girlfriend .
My Mrs often bends my ear for being too skinny (even though I'm really not by sport climber standards). She'd much rather I had a rugby player's physique. Me telling her that this wouldn't be conducive to climbing up random bits of rock doesn't seem to carry much, er, weight.
I got back to my pre-injury weight, a couple months ago (75kg from *cough*93kg). Constantly being accused of being "gaunt". Frankly, I think I'm still quite large (and always have been, for a climber).
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Most 'normal' girls I've known don't want to go out with a skeleton. It makes them feel fat for one. Which is probably why 3-9 has never had a girlfriend .
I always thought that was my personality and lack of personal hygiene!
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You should get yourself down to the groomers for a spruce-up, who knows where it might lead!:
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Phwoar.
Kindly dont post pics of semi-naked babes on here - i'll get fired!
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Phwoar.
Kindly dont post pics of semi-naked babes on here - i'll get fired!
Your aims the other year make a lot more sense now 'get a bitch, dump a bitch'
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK52qGcpdzo
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
I do at least 10 of one grade before trying the next. Plus I did my route in fewer days that Shark's had years on the oak. So my bedtime and abstinence counts for something?!
On the grand scheme of things you're both shit (as am I, but I eat and drink what I like). Is it really worth it?
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
I do at least 10 of one grade before trying the next. Plus I did my route in fewer days that Shark's had years on the oak. So my bedtime and abstinence counts for something?!
On the grand scheme of things you're both shit (as am I, but I eat and drink what I like). Is it really worth it?
Not for 8b no :lol:
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
I do at least 10 of one grade before trying the next. Plus I did my route in fewer days that Shark's had years on the oak. So my bedtime and abstinence counts for something?!
On the grand scheme of things you're both shit (as am I, but I eat and drink what I like). Is it really worth it?
Not for 8b no :lol:
Especially some skanky eliminate at Cheddar that no one cares about
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Not wrong Shark. At least you're failing on a decent route.
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Is it really worth it?
Always.
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3-9 doesn't drink, is much younger and goes to bed at 8.30 but has only climbed one grade harder than shark :-\
I do at least 10 of one grade before trying the next. Plus I did my route in fewer days that Shark's had years on the oak. So my bedtime and abstinence counts for something?!
On the grand scheme of things you're both shit (as am I, but I eat and drink what I like). Is it really worth it?
Not for 8b no :lol:
Especially some skanky eliminate at Cheddar that no one cares about
Skanky eliminates are all I care about. Extended boulder problems on pristine 80m crags are so last year.
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Is it really worth it?
Always.
Yeah but you're good enough to be a big fish in a small pond, plus you have a bottomless pot of time and money to regularly go do fun shit with. Course it's bloody worth sacrificing a few cakes and beer for, for you!
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Bloody aristocrats .
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Is it really worth it?
Always.
Yeah but you're good enough to be a big fish in a small pond, plus you have a bottomless pot of time and money to regularly go do fun shit with. Course it's bloody worth sacrificing a few cakes and beer for, for you!
I don't quite see the difference between making sacrifices to climb 8b or to climb 9a. Surely they are both just arbitrary personal challenges with success being just as sweet for the respective climbers.
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Bloody aristocrats .
So, which one is Shark?
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The fat one on the left!
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Is it really worth it?
Always.
Yeah but you're good enough to be a big fish in a small pond, plus you have a bottomless pot of time and money to regularly go do fun shit with. Course it's bloody worth sacrificing a few cakes and beer for, for you!
I don't quite see the difference between making sacrifices to climb 8b or to climb 9a. Surely they are both just arbitrary personal challenges with success being just as sweet for the respective climbers.
Spot on! I decided I wanted to do the next redpoint number and that was the only local one that was a) actually the given grade and b) at a crag with reliable conditions which I could get belays at reliably.
Of course I don't think 8b is a big number, but the Oak appears to be a big deal objective for Shark, so why not quit alcohol? One man's 7a is another man's 8a etc.
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Hey, I've got a real job starting in Jan! And I did work hard in my PhD at least for 3 months whilst I was writing up and injured anyway
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Bloody aristocrats .
So, which one is Shark?
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Well the Shark is a pussy so you can all guess.
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Bloody aristocrats .
So, which one is Shark?
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Well the Shark is a pussy so you can all guess.
The fat one on the right?
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so why not quit alcohol? One man's 7a is another man's 8a etc.
I'm not arguing with your reasoning, yet plenty of extremely high standard athletes are not teetotal. Paula Radcliffe said in an interview that she has a glass of wine every night. She wasn't shit at running 26.2miles quicker than anyone else.
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Possibly, she could certainly run, but... Does that disprove the contention she could have run faster without drink? :-\
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so why not quit alcohol? One man's 7a is another man's 8a etc.
I'm not arguing with your reasoning, yet plenty of extremely high standard athletes are not teetotal. Paula Radcliffe said in an interview that she has a glass of wine every night. She wasn't shit at running 26.2miles quicker than anyone else.
Paula Radcliffe didn't seem to have any issue maintaining her 'marathoning weight', though?
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She might have a glass of wine every night now, did she really while she was competing?
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She might have a glass of wine every night now, did she really while she was competing?
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Two in comps :)
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Possibly, she could certainly run, but... Does that disprove the contention she could have run faster without drink? :-\
Her record beats the next quickest time (by someone else) by over half a mile, I think suggesting she did not reach her potential is a bit silly (unless your comment was intentionally silly)
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You are saying she that if this suggestion she drank wine daily is true, cutting back could not have improved her time.
Evidence?
Please don't put your own words into my mouth to try to strengthen your point: 'did not achieve her potential' - that has overtones totally absent in my original post.
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She might have a glass of wine every night now, did she really while she was competing?
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The interview in question was when she was still competing, and whipping everyone else. If you are the fastest in the world doing what you do, why change?
I am not trying to say that alcohol is beneficial to athletic performance. The mood benefit of small amounts may well outweigh the physiological cost. I can't imagine that many people perform well if they are permanently miserable.
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I am not trying to say that alcohol is beneficial to athletic performance. The mood benefit of small amounts may well outweigh the physiological cost. I can't imagine that many people perform well if they are permanently miserable.
I guess that depends on whether you'd feel miserable without drinking. Many athletes feel almost no desire to have alcohol in their lives: it doesn't really have a place day-to-day.
*Not really a helpful post. Just trying to clarify something that's often misunderstood by friends etc.*
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You are saying she that if this suggestion she drank wine daily is true, cutting back could not have improved her time.
Evidence?
Please don't put your own words into my mouth to try to strengthen your point: 'did not achieve her potential' - that has overtones totally absent in my original post.
I think suggesting that she could have run faster is the very definition of saying she did not achieve her potential no?
Anyway I think that her marathon time so pretty much considered to be at the absolute pinnacle of what her physical capacities should allow her to run, so no I don't think dropping that glass of blue nun on an evening would have helped
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Don't listen to them Shark, stay true to booze and you'll never lose!
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Tim, if you read my posts you'll see I did not say alcohol impaired her performance. I have no idea and don't pretend to know. I just said that saying someone is good does not prove or disprove a contention.
On the other hand you have come out and said it didn't because she could run fast which is obviously nonsense as like me, you have no knowledge either way.
Reread the posts ffs so you don't go off tilting at windmills.
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I am sorry, I was just discussing, it as you were, I did not mean to offend you.
As regards knowledge....it is all poorly remembered but
There was a thing on some running website (can't remember which one) about whether a sub 2 hour marathon was possible for a man, there was a discussion of Paula Radcliffe's marathon times in the context of her physiological parameters and they came to the conclusion that her WR was the very best she could do based on available data, therefore the inference I am making is, that the wine or whatever cannot have been impairing her, as she was operating so optimally. Anyway this is all completely off topic.
Shark just needs to do be stronger to do the oak, his weight or alcohol intake has nothing to do with why he can't do it
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Don't worry, you haven't offended me, sorry if that seems snappy just a circular discussion...
I think we can agree she was pretty fast and definitely not an old soak..
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Would stopping drinking make Shark climb faster though? You could hang a can of Stella from the chains of the oak I guess. Mind you - I shoved a motivational flapjack at crack at the end of Blind Date on Monday and it didn't seem to help him succeed.
This what if stuff is fun though - like the could Bolt run faster if he smoked a tab before a race debate...
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I shoved a motivational flapjack at crack at the end of Blind Date on Monday and it didn't seem to help him succeed.
Too carby. Should've tried a lump of cheese.
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