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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners

« Last post by Stabbsy on Today at 07:56:32 pm »

They could, but I don’t think they will. I presume that’s what Duma is getting when he says running has been sold to Nike. For them to close the box, they need to reverse a previous decision and admit it was wrong.

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get involved: access, environment, BMC / Re: Changing the BMC

« Last post by shark on Today at 07:38:45 pm »

Don’t forget grant income. The expenditure and shared costs apportionment is in excess of £1million pa.

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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners

« Last post by lukeyboy on Today at 07:23:15 pm »

It's similar to the issue in swimming with skinsuits, though perhaps not quite as pronounced a performance advantage as that. A lot of World records were quickly broken, but interestingly Pandoras box was closed again and WRs with those suits no longer stand.

There's nothing to stop the same thing happening in running, apart from it being too much of a U turn and it's been too long. But in theory they still could if they wanted to.

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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners

« Last post by Stabbsy on Today at 06:07:37 pm »

My only other questions are if they are cheating, who is being cheated & if running is no longer 'pure' what sport is?

Dennis Kimetto. Maybe. Last person to break the marathon world record before Vaporflys changed the game.

The "Maybe" is the problem though. I want to be able to celebrate Kipchoge and Kiptum's performances as being next level, but there's this little itch in the back of my mind that says what if Kimetto or Gebrselassie had those shoes and they were a responder? Could they have done the same? Could they have done better?

Whatever anyone says now, Pandora's Box has been opened and it's not closing again. World Athletics had the opportunity to limit stack height when the Vaporfly had a 39mm stack - with the stack height being fundamental to the way that the current generation of carbon shoes "work". They chose to set a limit of 40mm. At the time, I thought it was the wrong decision and still do.

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get involved: access, environment, BMC / Re: Changing the BMC

« Last post by Davo on Today at 05:20:39 pm »

Hi Simon

I have read it again and I do agree that the figures seem very high and given the money doesn’t go to the actual athletes I am not sure where the money is going.

I still don’t want comp climbing split off completely from the BMC but I do want to understand better and more clearly where the money is going and what on. I think with good financial transparency and clarity would come better management.

Dave

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news / Re: significant repeats

« Last post by lukeyboy on Today at 04:50:58 pm »

What JB has described is UK 7a then E4, i.e. a boulder problem with a micro-route after. IMO this is not the same as E4 7a and does not convey the same information.

Thread split? It's a shame for this to be hijacking what is a phenomenal achievement by Shauna. So inspired and impressed to see what she's achieving whilst being a new mother.

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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners

« Last post by SA Chris on Today at 04:29:23 pm »

I probably wouldn't bother with carbon off-road shoes - particularly the Saucony ones as the first generation had a rep for falling apart.

I'll let you know how these last. If things play out, got some long runs planned this summer, and plan to wear them.

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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners

« Last post by chriss on Today at 04:10:41 pm »

I enjoyed the SCIENCE, I think it or something similar has been posted before on this topic.

I think you are also reflecting my point in that not all carbon shoes are created equally & most owner's are in the wrong shoe. I'd say most companies produce/ tune the shoes as per there top tier athletes, they know who's likely to place high, so that's all they worry about. They know this will help sell to the parkrun masses.

Disclosure I have/ had 2 carbon & 1 nylon plated pairs. All of my pb have been in them from 1mile to the half. These were done on my own during lockdown when I got super keen.

My only other questions are if they are cheating, who is being cheated & if running is no longer 'pure' what sport is?

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news / Re: significant repeats

« Last post by ferret on Today at 03:50:48 pm »

how hard is it overall, which is the only thing that actually hangs together.

I'd agree, nothing that would get 8a as a bolted route makes any sense at E4.
If you have 2 routes that have are both safe and would get the same French grade they should get the same E grade regardless if one has a short very hard crux and the other is a pump fest. It's the technical grade that should change not the E grade.

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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners

« Last post by SA Chris on Today at 03:40:08 pm »

You are struggling with you cycling comparisons Chris. No one rides skinny tyres in road races these days.

Clearly! Anyway, point being if i want to improve my bike times it's easier to drop £10K on a bike to replace my 10 year old aluminium  cyclocross bike than to buy into the equivalent of a Lattice training program.