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what's pinky perky / milk it? Google was most unhelpful..
https://vimeo.com/5126177
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So Rich actually did Perky, right?
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So Rich actually did Perky, right?
No actual proof he did (the vid is an edit). I don't know if anyone saw him do it? He's a colossal fibber, so I'd assume not. Malc was supposed to have done it with a weightbelt!
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Even if that video was an (or the) actual ascent, he doesn't match up at the top, and he's finished on the wrong hold anyway. In fact most if not all of the ascents in that vid are invalid for similar rule infractions. As if his reputation wasn't in tatters already.
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Dave the demon headmaster of the school room punishing sloppy schoolwork with a verbal caning.
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So Rich actually did Perky, right?
No actual proof he did (the vid is an edit). I don't know if anyone saw him do it? He's a colossal fibber, so I'd assume not. Malc was supposed to have done it with a weightbelt!
It's a 3 move boulder problem that he does from 2nd move to end and the first move a few times for the camera 5th day on and you still don't believe it?
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i don't believe his name was Rich
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You believe in God though, plenty of evidence for that isn't there. Where's his unedited footage?
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God was 6 days on before his rest day....
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You believe in God though, plenty of evidence for that isn't there. Where's his unedited footage?
I'm sorry your videos are now the subject of ridicule. I like them, even the ones with Rich in. He might have been a liar but there's no edit on the 9 one armers on his left arm. Being that strong and resorting to lying seems an awful shame as he could have probably done most of it. Anyway, this can of worms is better kept shut and put next to Johnny G at the back of the cupboard...
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You believe in God though, plenty of evidence for that isn't there. Where's his unedited footage?
God is gonna kick your ass you infidelic pagan scum
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He's a cunt.
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You believe in God though, plenty of evidence for that isn't there. Where's his unedited footage?
I'm sorry your videos are now the subject of ridicule. I like them, even the ones with Rich in. He might have been a liar but there's no edit on the 9 one armers on his left arm. Being that strong and resorting to lying seems an awful shame as he could have probably done most of it. Anyway, this can of worms is better kept shut and put next to Johnny G at the back of the cupboard...
This ^^^
The biggest disappointment is that he just didn't have a bit more moral fibre and the resilience required to actually do the routes he said he did. Because I'm sure he could have...
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You believe in God though, plenty of evidence for that isn't there. Where's his unedited footage?
I'm sorry your videos are now the subject of ridicule. I like them, even the ones with Rich in. He might have been a liar but there's no edit on the 9 one armers on his left arm. Being that strong and resorting to lying seems an awful shame as he could have probably done most of it. Anyway, this can of worms is better kept shut and put next to Johnny G at the back of the cupboard...
This ^^^
The biggest disappointment is that he just didn't have a bit more moral fibre and the resilience required to actually do the routes he said he did. Because I'm sure he could have...
How do you know he didn't?
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God was 6 days on before his rest day....
Magic.
To be honest despite the whole Simpson bullshitting thing ironically of all the top end things he claimed its PP that I would be most prepared to believe he did. But as we all know being strong enough isn't the same as doing. Given the context of the other claims, the running, the boxing, the mystery hard grit sends, the elusive vids, the brandler hasse, I think we have no option but to strike PP from the record book do we? That is of course unless any of the school regulars at the time saw him do it, I genuinely have no idea what folk saw him get up in there. I would love for him to have done PP.
Having said that, even with all this, even with the wrong finishing holds etc etc I still love that video. Might be a bit of willing suspension of disbelief, but it's still great. 9 one-arm pullups, I mean fuck me.
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That's the hardest thing about him. All his ascents have been tarnished but there must be lot of good ones in there. What did you see personally Chris or dyou not want to go into this again?
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9 one-arm pullups, I mean fuck me.
Yep, it's off the scale
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Didn't see any of his top ascents in a oner but it cracks me up when people state it as fact that he didn't climb those hard routes. . Sure there's doubt because of the boxing/running/dolomites nonsense but you can't state he didn't do those hard routes because you don't know. He was a full time climber for about 3 years, training 6 days a week and more than strong enough. I can't vouch for anything significant but I spoke to Dan Townley who Simpson told me belayed him on Liquid Ambar and Hubble and he confirmed that he did.
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That's the thing though, once the context is set as "this guy is making stuff up" then how do you know what to believe. Hard to give the benefit of the doubt in that situation.
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I know. I'm just reacting to people to people stating it as a fact that he lied about everything he ever claimed when the reality is for the most of it we don't know for sure (and likely never will).
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I spoke to Dan Townley who Simpson told me belayed him on Liquid Ambar and Hubble and he confirmed that he did.
That's nice to hear. I was under the impression (from past threads) that there were no belayers willing to vouch for any of the hard ascents. Glad that's not true.
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I remember bumping into Rich Simpson in the school around 2002-3 and he was jaw droppingly strong. I chatted to him a bit about bad elbows and watched him run laps on high sevens (eights?) on the 50 degree board like they weren't even there. I'd never seen anything like it at the time or since (not that I've watched many wads train), I thought he could climb any top route of that time for sure. Doylo's videos of him are inspirational and I'm sure just show the surface of what he was capable of. To me all the doubt and controversy doesn't really matter cos he was just so damn strong it was amazing.
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You believe in God though, plenty of evidence for that isn't there. Where's his unedited footage?
I'm sorry your videos are now the subject of ridicule. I like them, even the ones with Rich in. He might have been a liar but there's no edit on the 9 one armers on his left arm. Being that strong and resorting to lying seems an awful shame as he could have probably done most of it. Anyway, this can of worms is better kept shut and put next to Johnny G at the back of the cupboard...
This ^^^
The biggest disappointment is that he just didn't have a bit more moral fibre and the resilience required to actually do the routes he said he did. Because I'm sure he could have...
How do you know he didn't?
Of course I don't "know" he didn't, that is just like proving God doesn't exist... Impossible. There's just no evidence... Sorry!
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I remember bumping into Rich Simpson in the school around 2002-3 and he was jaw droppingly strong. I chatted to him a bit about bad elbows and watched him run laps on high sevens (eights?) on the 50 degree board like they weren't even there. I'd never seen anything like it at the time or since (not that I've watched many wads train), I thought he could climb any top route of that time for sure. Doylo's videos of him are inspirational and I'm sure just show the surface of what he was capable of. To me all the doubt and controversy doesn't really matter cos he was just so damn strong it was amazing.
This +1 :yes:
There was also the rumour that he claimed to have self-studied his way onto a (business?) degree course at Cambridge. I thought that would be pretty easy to check out. Lo and behold, on the Cambridge news page The Tab, this before the varsity bout:
"In fact, Richie Woodhall recognised Simpson from his Birmingham boxing gym, which is not a bad spot by a man who was the World Super-Middlewieght champion before Joe Calzaghe."
OK, so on the night, he didn't stack up to the billing, but it's a great answer to all those saying he'd never been heard of in boxing.
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Is this some sort of group healing process shit? Now we get rumours that Rich Simpson might have actually done some hard things. I’d rather keep the ‘he’s clearly lied about too much to take anything he’s claimed seriously’ status quo personally.
Before folk get any more misty eyed, this is the guy who lied to his girlfriend, claiming he had testicular cancer, for god knows what twisted reason. That is the level of untruth the guy will stoop to. This too is hearsay (from a credible source) so I’ll have to delete it later.
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Its not hearsay.
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Before folk get any more misty eyed, this is the guy who lied to his girlfriend, claiming he had testicular cancer, for god knows what twisted reason. That is the level of untruth the guy will stoop to. This too is hearsay (from a credible source) so I’ll have to delete it later.
Sounds like bollocks to me.
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That's plumbing new depths...
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That's plumbing new depths...
I'll not go into detail, but the fibs about sporting achievements are just the tiny tip of the iceberg of mendacity. My mother always told me about how lying was wrong, and I never really understood why until I got to know Rich.
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I bought all of Rich's holds off his home board a good few years back. Then some scumbag sold them from the wall co-op we started. I was worried about their future value at the time.
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OK, so on the night, he didn't stack up to the billing, but it's a great answer to all those saying he'd never been heard of in boxing.
With quiet confidence, Cambridge fans watched on as Rich Simpson took to the ring. Having over 60 bouts to his name, the Cambridge man was the sure favourite against the Oxford debutant. Although the Light Blue managed to knock his opponent down late in the first round, the gulf in experience was inapparent. As the final two rounds saw Simpson tire, he resorted to ‘dancing-on-ice’ style pirouettes to evade further punishment; meanwhile Oxford’s Light-Middleweight pushed forwards to clinch the bout by a majority decision and put the Dark Blues ahead for the first time.
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Tab scum
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What's he up to nowadays? Maybe a come back to kill the doubters?
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OK, so on the night, he didn't stack up to the billing, but it's a great answer to all those saying he'd never been heard of in boxing.
With quiet confidence, Cambridge fans watched on as Rich Simpson took to the ring. Having over 60 bouts to his name, the Cambridge man was the sure favourite against the Oxford debutant. Although the Light Blue managed to knock his opponent down late in the first round, the gulf in experience was inapparent. As the final two rounds saw Simpson tire, he resorted to ‘dancing-on-ice’ style pirouettes to evade further punishment; meanwhile Oxford’s Light-Middleweight pushed forwards to clinch the bout by a majority decision and put the Dark Blues ahead for the first time.
The only certainty about Rich Simpson is he's a serial liar and a fraud. I had the pleasure of climbing with him in I think 2012 or 2013 when he was 'in training' for his supposed 'super-alpinism phase' to challenge Ueli Steck ::)
During that day he told me all sorts of lies, about Olympic boxing, dolies solos, alpinism, sport climbing. He was awful at dry-tooling and mixed climbing but the story he was weaving, in his mind and on sponsor's blogs, was that he was going to be challenging Ueli Steck's feats.
A total fraud - with his 4-min mileing, sub 3hr marathons, olympic boxing, 9a sends, Brandler-Hasse solos, super-alpinism, bollock cancer, hard grit flashes/GU's, who knows what else.
I've got an extensive collection of emails from reputable people detailing Simpon's various lies - I got involved with trying to clear up his Liquid Ambar claim while producing the NW guide and, as usual, felt like digging deeper once it was obvious he was a serial walter mitty. I've still got Simpson's emails asking me to abide by certain conditions before he'd name his LA belayer. And I've got the email Shark received from Dan Townley in which Dan confirms he belayed Simpson on ascents of LA and Hubble (both times 'early in the morning, no-one else at the crag'. Doesn't match the third-hand account of the people at Parisellas Cave the day Simpson appeared and claimed to have sent LA). Simpson's so dubious and troubled that even having a belayer confirm his ascents isn't credible enough!
The boxing footage is just embarrassing for him, and the Cambridge Uni newsletter (search for it if you're interested) says it all between the lines..
Doylo - saying 'how do you know he didn't?' isn't the question to ask a supposed elite-level climber claiming cutting edge feats. Recognition of elite level achievements requires credible proof in any walk of life - otherwise any strong indoor trainer should be believed when they claim Hubble, Action Directe, LA, etc. etc. You're at the point where I know you can send you 'dulas 8c(hard!) proj so why not just lie and say you did it, and then play cat and mouse for years with anyone who wants credible evidence of your non-ascent? How do I know you didn't send it?
Clearly a strong youth who trained to the point of being physically able to climb at the elite level. But a total liar.
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Spot on.
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That's plumbing new depths...
I'll not go into detail, but the fibs about sporting achievements are just the tiny tip of the iceberg of mendacity. My mother always told me about how lying was wrong, and I never really understood why until I got to know Rich.
It was a gonad gag.... rather than a commentary on someone I've never met.. just to clarify. I also have video evidence of me not belaying at Hubble.
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Logpile?
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This is crazy shit.
Obviously appropriate to split the thread, but the title reads as a judgement in itself. Who's prejudice is it serving? Is this a forum or a mob?
Why the level of unchecked hatred against the man? Why not just stone him, and have done with it? There are new messiahs now.
I thought Andy Kirkpatrick's article was insightful:
http://andy-kirkpatrick.com/blog/view/death_of_a_lie
Thoughtful and balanced, and probably already somewhere else on this site.
I don't know what Rich did, and what he didn't, but I feel I have little reason to speculate, and no reason to wish him ill.
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Dave how is the thread title a judgement?
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Why the level of unchecked hatred against the man? Why not just stone him, and have done with it? There are new messiahs now.
I see very little hatred, unchecked or otherwise? the common emotion seems to be bitter disappointment. As Andy K says, we all want to believe in the guy who can do great things if he tries hard enough, but then illusions are shattered when the truth is revealed. To some people this is an affront to their values / ethics / morals and they hate the guy because of the lies he's perpetuated, others are just saddened by them.
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This is crazy shit.
Obviously appropriate to split the thread, but the title reads as a judgement in itself. Who's prejudice is it serving? Is this a forum or a mob?
Why the level of unchecked hatred against the man? Why not just stone him, and have done with it? There are new messiahs now.
I thought Andy Kirkpatrick's article was insightful:
http://andy-kirkpatrick.com/blog/view/death_of_a_lie
Thoughtful and balanced, and probably already somewhere else on this site.
I don't know what Rich did, and what he didn't, but I feel I have little reason to speculate, and no reason to wish him ill.
Could you point to which posts you consider hateful?
I can only speak for myself. I did know Rich. I have contempt for many of his actions (some of which are not discussed here, including things which had negative consequences for friends), but I bear him no ill will and I certainly don’t hate him. I sincerely hope he’s moved on and is having a successful life based on earned merit.
The tone of my initial post is aimed at posters on here. There is no sensible reason to give the guy any benefit of the doubt when it comes to climbing. This is not personal, the same would apply to any climber in who did the same. I don’t see how this is has anything to do with hate or stoning. It’s akin to the suspension of a professional athlete for drugs offences – an unpleasant necessity for a greater good.
I’ve no idea who split and titled the thread BTW.
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Dave how is the thread title a judgement?
To me, it reads as something that suggests value judgements, possibly skewed in one direction more than the other. That may just be me! "Rich Simpson - did he or didn't he?" would seem more open minded. I'm not suggesting that as a title.
As it is, it sounds as though someone is saying, "that's OK, look back through rose tinted specs, you just can't see the truth" - as though one side has more legitimate truth claims than the other.
Others might read it differently, but I'm not comfortable with it.
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To be honest Dave I think you're reading something into the thread title that isn't there, bar the customary forum sarcasm. "Rich Simpson - did he or didn't he?" sound like it's inviting more of a judgement if you ask me, and implies it's a cut-and-dried affair, which it isn't.
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Someone's dropped a bollock there...
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Hi Bonjoy.
Thanks.
My post wasn't particularly referencing your's, but there is a tendency to polarize with things like this. I'd rather not judge "the man", and in his absence, it's difficult to hear about more personal things.
There is also the difference in the level of speculation between those who knew him, and those who didn't, but still, the fanning of fire in any case.
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I don't know why its being discussed again, but I don't see any hated in any posts, more curiosity and disappointment. I guess a bit of drama, old or new, is exciting for people and Rich fanned that a bit at the time with his reactions to information requests. It's safe to assume he didn't do what he said he did, and if he cared about people thinking that I'm sure he'd have done more to defend himself. Probably should all just move on.
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Come off it Dave. I'm talking about a guy who looked me in the eye - when we climbed together one day during his 'training' for his mission to become a world-class super-alpinist - and over lunch convincingly regaled me with stories all about his Brandler-Hasse solo in record time, his sport climbing achievements, and about how he was a member of the GB Olympic boxing squad and only didn't make selection for London 2012 because he injured his shoulder shortly prior to the team selection bouts.
I remember he was completely convincing at the time.. Except I'd already heard all the rumours and so I just sat quietly and listened and let him talk, knowing it's almost certainly all a complete fabrication of his imagination.
Have you watched the footage of his University bout? It's laughable. I boxed once or twice at company level in the Army (about as low a level as formal competitions exist) and I was about the same level - i.e. terrible.
There's nothing hateful about wanting to expose a liar and I don't harbour any ill feeling to Simpson.
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I don't know why its being discussed again
It will be discussed every time some points out that “RS did also did a repeat in 2005” as a correction to a piece of news, as long as some of the stuff RS claimed are still newsworthy. There's nothing strange about that.
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Hi Bonjoy.
Thanks.
My post wasn't particularly referencing your's, but there is a tendency to polarize with things like this. I'd rather not judge "the man", and in his absence, it's difficult to hear about more personal things.
There is also the difference in the level of speculation between those who knew him, and those who didn't, but still, the fanning of fire in any case.
You could say 'polarise', or you could say 'make your mind up'. I think their is enough info out there for people to make their minds up. I don't think it's a mischaracterisation if anything posted implies that a consensus has been reach. I think it has. That's not the same as saying he definitively did or didn't do something. I honestly thought the issue was past the point of debate and hence past the point of being susceptible to further polarisation.
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My favourite one was when he had a one night stand with some climber girl and she had a poster of him on Liquid Ambar on her bedroom wall. The story goes that before he sneaked out in the morning he signed it 'Rich was here xx'.
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What a stallion
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He was with the ladies. I've even got unedited footage.
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Post it for the doubters chris
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My favourite one was when he had a one night stand with some climber girl and she had a poster of him on Liquid Ambar on her bedroom wall. The story goes that before he sneaked out in the morning he signed it 'Rich was here xx'.
That is fucking disgraceful, but there's something inside me which really wants it to be true.
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I've got the email Shark received from Dan Townley in which Dan confirms he belayed Simpson on ascents of LA and Hubble (both times 'early in the morning, no-one else at the crag'.
Just to be clear I am not a friend of the guy, in fact the couple of times I met him he didn't seem like a great person but that isn't what's being argued here. What I want to know is why is the above evidence not good enough for anyone? Does Rich require more witnesses than everyone else because he lied about a load of stuff. Seems like because everyone said he was a bullshitter then everything he claimed is invalid?
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I remember bumping into Rich Simpson in the school around 2002-3 and he was jaw droppingly strong. I chatted to him a bit about bad elbows and watched him run laps on high sevens (eights?) on the 50 degree board like they weren't even there. I'd never seen anything like it at the time or since (not that I've watched many wads train), I thought he could climb any top route of that time for sure. Doylo's videos of him are inspirational and I'm sure just show the surface of what he was capable of. To me all the doubt and controversy doesn't really matter cos he was just so damn strong it was amazing.
I'm not going to trawl through this thread but like Dan I witnessed some amazingly casual ascents of pretty much everything at the school bar PP; I've seen a lot of wads climb on boards and never seen anyone come close in terms of raw strength. That's not to say it means anything on rock, it's simply an observation.
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My favourite one was when he had a one night stand with some climber girl and she had a poster of him on Liquid Ambar on her bedroom wall. The story goes that before he sneaked out in the morning he signed it 'Rich was here xx'.
The same girl once described herself as 'quality clunge'. :)
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Seems like because everyone said he was a bullshitter then everything he claimed is invalid?
That's the situation-boy who cried wolf innit. Everything's written off.
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I've got the email Shark received from Dan Townley in which Dan confirms he belayed Simpson on ascents of LA and Hubble (both times 'early in the morning, no-one else at the crag'.
Just to be clear I am not a friend of the guy, in fact the couple of times I met him he didn't seem like a great person but that isn't what's being argued here. What I want to know is why is the above evidence not good enough for anyone? Does Rich require more witnesses than everyone else because he lied about a load of stuff. Seems like because everyone said he was a bullshitter then everything he claimed is invalid?
This +1
I find the wholesale invalidation - of which there seems much - at the very least, imbalanced. Also, the notion of "consensus", seems too generalised, and really the voice of one group over many. I'd love to see some discussion of what we possibly do know, and I'd say the group think is away from inquiry into the accounts of other people. I don't see suspending judgement as sitting on the fence by the way.
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Has anyone been told in person by this belayer? It would hardly be beyond Rich to set up a fake email account.
If I sound bitter its because of all the times I cut him slack for being a bellend on the grounds that he was dying of cancer.
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I liked him the couple of times I met him.
Didn't he tell UKC to fuck off when they asked for names of belayers? He was dropped by his sponsors. It's certainly not normal to not even slightly defend yourself when called on something so big that it results in potential financial loss and a reputation in complete tatters. He just walked away from it all.
I don't think it matters either way other than in the effect it's had on other climbers in raising the bar for proof. I don't believe anything with 100% certainty but it's gotta be high 90s that Rich lied about everything.
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I actually set up a fake email and said I was researching for the guide (didn't want him to know I was Simmo's mate). Must have been 5 years ago. I've met the guy in Sheffield though, he was a bit nuts so we let him go into a shop to get booze and we got the taxi to drive off. He climbed about 8b+ though so knew his stuff regarding climbing.
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I actually set up a fake email and said I was researching for the guide (didn't want him to know I was Simmo's mate). Must have been 5 years ago. I've met the guy in Sheffield though, he was a bit nuts so we let him go into a shop to get booze and we got the taxi to drive off. He climbed about 8b+ though so knew his stuff regarding climbing.
What is your life, Doylo?
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Currently consists of Caves full of pigeon and goat shit.
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As well as Liquid Ambar Dan Townley also confirmed that he belayed Simpson redpointing Hubble. He moved to Thailand shortly after and stopped climbing
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My favourite Simpson related story is about Barnsey chasing him down the M1 and parkway before Rich had to pull sharply in to a layby to escape barnseys' wrath. Of course this story came from Barnsey so I've really no idea what to believe anymore.
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I heard he threw a bike at Dense in the School.
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My favourite one was when he had a one night stand with some climber girl and she had a poster of him on Liquid Ambar on her bedroom wall. The story goes that before he sneaked out in the morning he signed it 'Rich was here xx'.
That is fucking disgraceful, but there's something inside me which really wants it to be true.
Did he not sign your poster Will :(
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BORING ANECDOTE ALERT:
I once bumped into Rich at the Tor, he wasn't climbing but seemed alright.
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Slightly less boring anecdote:
I was at a bouldering comp in Bristol which Rich Simp didn't win and he cried. Everyone was a bit - what?
I believe that SA Chris was there to witness this along with me so hopefully this is enough to satisfy any doubters...
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Slightly less boring anecdote:
I was at a bouldering comp in Bristol which Rich Simp didn't win and he cried. Everyone was a bit - what?
I believe that SA Chris was there to witness this along with me so hopefully this is enough to satisfy any doubters...
You must be joking. I wouldn't trust Chris as far as I could throw him.
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Slightly less boring anecdote:
I was at a bouldering comp in Bristol which Rich Simp didn't win and he cried. Everyone was a bit - what?
I believe that SA Chris was there to witness this along with me so hopefully this is enough to satisfy any doubters...
I was. I think Stu Littlefair was there too, as an independent witness. I don't think he cried because he didn't win, I seem to recall he had a paddy because he couldn't do a problem, threw a hissy fit and tore up his scoresheet and flounced out.
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I've got the email Shark received from Dan Townley in which Dan confirms he belayed Simpson on ascents of LA and Hubble (both times 'early in the morning, no-one else at the crag'.
Just to be clear I am not a friend of the guy, in fact the couple of times I met him he didn't seem like a great person but that isn't what's being argued here. What I want to know is why is the above evidence not good enough for anyone? Does Rich require more witnesses than everyone else because he lied about a load of stuff. Seems like because everyone said he was a bullshitter then everything he claimed is invalid?
Is it necessary for this to be raked over again and again when you could get a lot of the background by doing some back searching on UKB and UKC, or speaking to other climbers.
The onus was on Rich to back up his wild stories with some evidence at the time. That didn't happen.
Some mass gossip dump on here is never going to prove a negative on every single ascent and I really don't think it's worth going down that rabbit hole. Save it for the pub.
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Slightly less boring anecdote:
I was at a bouldering comp in Bristol which Rich Simp didn't win and he cried. Everyone was a bit - what?
I believe that SA Chris was there to witness this along with me so hopefully this is enough to satisfy any doubters...
I was. I think Stu Littlefair was there too, as an independent witness. I don't think he cried because he didn't win, I seem to recall he had a paddy because he couldn't do a problem, threw a hissy fit and tore up his scoresheet and flounced out.
Well your memory is probably better than mine. I do remember Stu was there. There were tears shed.
Bonjoy: I know it seems like raking over shit. I did re read the UKB 'Simpson vanishes' thread before posting and there was no mention of someone confirming the LA and Hubble ascents. That felt like new information to me. Maybe its not to others....
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I did re read the UKB 'Simpson vanishes' thread before posting and there was no mention of someone confirming the LA and Hubble ascents. That felt like new information to me. Maybe its not to others....
There was another thread that was logpiled titled: "UKC Simpsons Statement"
With Doylo's help I emailed Dan through Facebook last wednesday and got a reply this morning.
Dan again confirmed he belayed Simpson on LA and Hubble. Both were early morning ascents to get good conditions and there wasn't anyone else present. He moved to Thailand shortly after the Hubble ascent. He wasn't present for any of the other key ascents or able to provide any other leads on other belayers/witnesses and was sorry he couldn't be any more help.
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So what is the issue then? It seems all his ascents have been airbrushed out of history despite as much evidence to validate them as many other people - i.e. a belayer/witness and stills/edited footage.
I've never met Rich so can't comment on him as a person but from the outside it looks a bit like the time Ritchie Patterson (I think it was?) credited the 1st ascent of Parthian Shot to Seb Grieve on that OTE article....
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all his ascents have been airbrushed out of history despite as much evidence to validate them as many other people
Well no. Most other ascents are not claimed by known liars. For them, the burden of proof is higher.
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No issue nothing to see here
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Did he ever do Conviction Lee? There was a photo of you on it kicking around a few years ago if he wanted any beta....
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Can somebody nuke this thread, please? It seems that no extra information is forthcoming and all it's doing is just stirring round a pot of shite that needs to be left alone now. I'm sure it's titillating to stir up the old gossip every now and again but it's not really doing any good is it?
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Aye. Let's wait for Megos to do Liquid Ambar in a few years then do it all again.
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Aye. Let's wait for Megos to do Liquid Ambar in a few years then do it all again.
you're not backing Oli or Caff on it then? ;)
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Thought they'd given up. Easier to keep the sponsors happy on the trad ;).
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mans gotta hustle.
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Oli will do it but Caff's got no chance.
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Oli will do it but Caff's got no chance.
ha ha say that to his face :popcorn:
anyway best shut up, people might think there's another Simpson anecdote
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Caffs motto is 'when the going gets tough go to Yorkshire'.
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Oli will do it but Caff's got no chance.
ha ha say that to his face :popcorn:
anyway best shut up, people might think there's another Simpson anecdote
I think he would happily admit hard - i.e. 8c/+ - pure PE (as found on LA) is his anti-style. Of course Caff's weakest style is better than most people's strongest..
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You need very strong fingers though which he has. I'm just enjoying one sided banter for once as he doesn't post on here. :lol: