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Title: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on February 04, 2008, 09:06:52 am
I don't usually do requests but ne'er mind.  Yosser and Soapy of course should feel free to comment, I'm told Yosser has a particularly fine collection of Black Tower.

Anyway here are some suggestions to get you through the weeks and months ahead.

Starting in deepest Argentina Cassa Weinert (probably run by ex ss types) do a couple of really solid wines at keen prices.  The 100% cab sauv however needs a good few years to knock the edges off.

Moving on who likes a bit of red leb?  Well Hochar and Musar seem to have lost the plot but luckily Massaya Classic seems to be one for the future, again outstandingly good value.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on February 04, 2008, 02:08:16 pm
Just hijacking for a second... I was sorry to see Bill Baker in the Times obituaries this morning. An amazing and enormous man. Three years ago I was at a tasting, and suddenly, over my shoulder and into a spittoon came a flow of liquid of such narrowness and accuracy that I swear it was like having a marksman standing on a pedestal peeing past me.  I looked around to see Mr Baker already tucking into another glass... The same tasting is taking place next Tuesday, and it will be a pity not to see him there. His contempt for Robert Parker will be much missed I think.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: slackline on February 04, 2008, 02:13:34 pm
 ;D (http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s294/1haggis/buckfast.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 04, 2008, 03:18:57 pm
Cheers Tam, my liver is keen to detoxify your suggestions.

(Can a moderator move this to Culture?)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 04, 2008, 03:52:36 pm
http://www.argentinewines.com/ing/ (not the best resource, actually)

http://www.winezap.com/search/browse.cfm/categoryID/7704 seems to have it covered (but it's US)


Does anyone have any suggestions for UK wine dealers in particular those w/ a great website w/ all their products?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on February 04, 2008, 04:17:58 pm
a pleasant little discovery at lunchtime.

Casale Bevagna 'Te Deum Laudamus' Salice Salentino 2001

a red from puglia. i don't recall trying any pugliese wine recently, and this was really nice. not quite sure where you get any from (this bottle was a gift from an italian supplier) but it does pop up here and there if you google it.

and another charming obit - http://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/20080128_4
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 04, 2008, 04:26:24 pm
I like the movie of him.  Comes across as quite a cad.  Though (as an aside) I've never understood why gastronomes are mostly obese - for every rich meal or bottle of wine I have to myself I insist on training it away in some form.

http://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/20080129_2

Would be a shame if his eating / drinking habits and clear lack of exercise finished him . .  .   He was young.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Monolith on February 04, 2008, 04:29:45 pm
Anyone care to educate me in Beaujolais-recommendations etc? Am I right in thinking the aforementioned would complement my juicy bass fillet?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on February 04, 2008, 05:31:51 pm
Rather than a gamay wine try a red cabernet franc from the loire, I think the 'pencil shavings' would complement the flavvour of a bass.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Monolith on February 04, 2008, 05:37:09 pm
Cheers Sloper, nice one. I have no idea what pencil shavings are but I'll try not to spill any in my bass/wine combo. (Guessing its wino lingo 'notes' an all?)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on February 04, 2008, 06:29:52 pm
It's one of the flavours you should get in a Samur champigny (expect to pay about £10 for one in a 1/2 decent independent wine merchant)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 04, 2008, 06:58:10 pm
Ain't European wine prices just the bee's knees?!

Pity you poor UK sods who must pay through the asshole in taxation . . .    I wonder how much of that 10 quid is lost to the tax man?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 04, 2008, 07:27:08 pm
Slopes - how much on average would one expect to pay for that Taste Vinage Pinot Noir in the UK?  Ball park.

It's €5.75 in Font.  €8.99 in Hamburg.  Yes it must travel & that costs but I've always been interested in non-linear relationships between cost & taste.

We both agree fine wine need not be and often isn't expensive.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 04, 2008, 11:54:43 pm
I'm particularly enjoying Corsican wine at the moment.

Nothing too fancy, €5 a bottle - it's not that spicy, but full of berried richness.

Mis en boutille au Chateau - just how important is that? Bearing in mind that sometimes it can be rank wine . . .
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 05, 2008, 12:38:37 am
From The Times obit' on Baker

He was equally scathing about the American wine guru Robert Parker, whom he referred to as that “bloody American wine critic” and his “absurd scoring system”. These comments were published and they were noticed. They earned him a vitriolic letter from the man himself.

~Que?~

Don't worry - I've researched this.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 05, 2008, 09:29:46 pm
I see it's just me here . . . ?



Tonite I have done something I have only done with Rallo Marsala . . .  bought wine w/ a screwtop*.  Obviously this might put someone's back up though I cannot understand why?  Does the cork contribute to flavour across the board?  Does it fuck.

Recoil further, snob!  It cost €2.50 from LIDL you pinstripe-wearing filthpig!  2006 appellation controlee of an utterly random anonymous nature - I've enjoyed it's rich tannins greatly.  I wish €6 wine could always be this reasonable on the palette.

*If I buy & wine a find it to have a plastic cork I won't buy it again as I despise plastic.  Rather screwtop than plastic in my book.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: chicane on February 06, 2008, 09:01:57 am

Tis true LIDL do a cracking red called Spring Valley (South African) cabernet I think - I always buy a few bottles it's under £2.90 and is easily as good as wines costing 3 times as much....

Matt
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on February 06, 2008, 03:13:53 pm
I really doubt it, no actually I mean you'd have to be :pissed: to believe a £3 bot from Lidl would be anything close ot a £9 bot from an independent wine merchant.

Screw tops are fine for wines that will be drunk young.

I wouldn't want to try and keep wine 15 or 20 years with one though (then again a really cheap shit cork won't last long either)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 06, 2008, 03:31:39 pm
No way is a LIDL wine that cost so little gonna taste a w e s o m e, no way - drinkable and reasonably tasty but no great shakes.  However, I would recommend you visit ALDI, just down the street from me they have French reds @ €20 a bottle.   I know you'd have a problem w/ being seen in such an establishment Slopes (ain't Waitrose is it?) but if ALDI are selling wine @ €20 / 14 quid a bottle I wouldn't judge the shop too harshly now . . .   Could be a very competitive bargain . . .
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 06, 2008, 06:55:28 pm
Tonites tipple - having bored of sour LIDL fare

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wine002.jpg)

Cool your boots man!  This wine is valued @ €8.75!

It's German as you can see, and these Krauts are excedingly clever - as they export very little of what they like.  It's better than

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/MapofTao.jpg)

Valued @ €6, which is a very worthwhile bottle, but the real Kraut has more presence than the annexed wine.  I dearly regret buying only one bottle - but tomorrow is another day.  Still pity you UK fools . . .
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Paul B on February 06, 2008, 07:30:49 pm
I love Domus Aurea  :pissed:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 06, 2008, 07:32:51 pm
Need more info Paul_

Even google is vague.  Bottle piccy?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on February 06, 2008, 11:21:42 pm
I've shopped in Lidl on the continent and found it quite reasonable, when I tried the same in the UK I barely made it out of the shop with my RP intact.

In the uk per bottle of wine you'll be paying about  £1.40 duty and tax.  Add the cost of the bottle, distribution, retailer and middle argins and I doubt from a £3 bot you're paying more than about 60p or 1 euro for the wine.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 06, 2008, 11:54:52 pm
Man that's madness!


I gotta say that €9 pinot noir was delicious.  I felt like I was tasting every cent.

*drool*
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Paul B on February 07, 2008, 11:54:03 am
Need more info Paul_

Even google is vague.  Bottle piccy?

sorry  :spank:

http://www.oddbins.com/products/productDetail.asp?productcode=89241 (http://www.oddbins.com/products/productDetail.asp?productcode=89241)

(http://en.caudal.ru/i_wine/domus.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 07, 2008, 07:53:22 pm
Sounds great Paul_  Extreme selection of hand-picked fruit meant that quantity was limited yet quality astounding.   They sound a fussy bunch.  That's always a great sign.

The price would seem appropriate for GB - but too much for the EU but I'll look out for it and report back should I find it - so we can compare notes.


Tonites tipple 2006

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wine001.jpg)

1.5L @ €5.50 from an independent wine retailer.  Not as subtle as last nights Pinot noir but certainly topping it on flavour - very in your face.


Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 08, 2008, 08:50:55 pm
I'd like to learn more about buying wine when it is still in the barrel.  I'm keen to exploit possibilities of drinking fine wine w/ out paying the Earth as I just hate going over the odds.  Slopes explained this once but I'm not sure I fully understood.

Slopes, once more w/ feeling if you will.  Thanks pal.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on February 08, 2008, 09:06:15 pm
I wouldn't get too excited about it.

If you can buy by the case, especially on the continent, you'll get a better price and you won't have a load of hassle picking some mystery wine up in five years time.

There's a time and a place for en primeur, but if you're just talking a few bottles here and a few bottles there then I really wouldn't bother.


Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: miki on February 10, 2008, 12:33:08 pm
like you already know i´m not an expert but here it goes :

from Portugal i recommend Periquita, 75cl for about 4€, the best thing you can buy :)
last weak i had some  Rioja Roda ( i need to learn more about Spanish wine ) i don't know the actual price because i wasn't the one paying, but i´m sure its expensive. so be cool and drink the best quality/price wine -> Portuguese ;)

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Monolith on February 12, 2008, 05:21:59 pm
Due to a very very slender budget, I bought 4 bottles of this from my local shop at a price of £10.00:

http://www.thealeseller.com/category-4/Villa_Radiosa_Merlot.html

Should I be shot for saying it's actually drinkable? Maybe my taste buds have rotted to nothing I don't know..
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 12, 2008, 08:50:39 pm
This and the Food glorious FOOD threads still need to be moved to Culture.



of late:

as yet untasted - expect it to be good.  Recently sampled the Taste Vinage 05 Pinot Noir, again.  Not under the best circumstances ie - after 1.5L of heavy Italian D'Abruzzo but . . .  Over the odds @ €8.99

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wineandfish006.jpg)

I'll try harder than before to make this wee bottle the last for a while, I'll try weeks instead of a few months w/ this quote . . .  Much better than Rioja for the same price, I think.  Less bitter and not quite as dry- quite spicy and berried, excellent nevertheless & extremely drinkable.  Grenache, Temperanillo & Cab Sav.  €4 half bottle.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wineandfish005.jpg)

About €8.50 and a bit of an eye-opener for whites, not too floral, ultra-drinkable - so easy to quaff.  Excellent.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wineandfish004.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 21, 2008, 01:15:07 pm
Haven't drunk much in the way of fine wine for a while so let this thread slide for a bit.

I always knew the day would come when the Boss would put her foot down . . .    I've been ordered to moderate the boozing or I'll kick your head in!. . .  So must re-evaluate the whole drinky-poos buying policy:  drink half as much, but spend twice as much!  Sounds fabulous.

To wit:

Tonites tipple shall be

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/osbourne004.jpg)

Since there's next to no tax on booze in Europe we should be able to get some ace poison in us  ;)  Never tried their sherry and have yet to see an Osbourne port (if they make anything portish).  Also decided that in future I'll only buy wine from the same country I'm in or not too far from that.  So no Oz, US, or S. African or S. American from now on as  it burns too much good oil to get it to me - and there's so much great stuff closer to hand.  (One caveat - seen a bottle of Californian ruby 'port' that must be tried just once!)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on February 21, 2008, 01:28:44 pm
i *hearted* the flagstone mary-le-bow 2003

a luvverly cab/shiraz/merlot

Quote
Smooth dark fruits here, with a sweet, subtly meaty edge. The palate is dark and savoury with sweet fruit. A very refined, elegant style with good concentration and nice structure. Very good/excellent 91/100


can't disagree with that


15.98 at tesco
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 21, 2008, 02:54:09 pm
Sounds delicious, Soaps.

http://www.osbornesolaz.com/  If the Temp/C-Sauv is fine then I'd like to seek out their Shiraz/Temp.

Speaking of which, I seek shiraz recommendations (preferably 100% but as you'd guess from above blends are welcome too).
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 21, 2008, 03:14:22 pm
Does anyone here prefer to transfer their wine to a flat, wide-bottomed decanter?

I can't stand wine that hasn't seen a little air before it's poured, and can rarely taste much.  I've never been in a restaurant where a waiter has opened a bottle in front of me, poured a snifter and expected me to taste it and go Thank you that's excellent, Carruthers.  Leave the bottle.  How can people judge a wine that quickly after it's been opened?

A local supermarket has recently started offering wine samples that you dispense yourself from a machine.  I was quite surprised by the quality too - a range of 8 (€10/bottle) to sample.    Naturally, I did the optics, so to speak.  Muddle puddle anyone?

 :alky:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on February 21, 2008, 03:21:32 pm
poured a snifter and expected me to taste it and go Thank you that's excellent, Carruthers.  Leave the bottle.  How can people judge a wine that quickly after it's been opened?

because you're not tasting it to decide whether you like it or not. you're tasting it to make sure it isn't corked. or otherwise off...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 21, 2008, 06:22:48 pm
That Osbourne wine is so yummy I'm considering being super sneaky and getting another bottle in that I can open when she's gone to bed!   It's too drinkable.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Fatleg on February 21, 2008, 08:21:30 pm
Anybody purchased from Virgin wines? Got an offer for buy a case get one free, wandered if it would be any good.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on February 21, 2008, 09:24:29 pm
Over priced, over hyped and not worth the money even at a 50% discount.

I'm not sure but I think both the Times and Virgin are really just Laythwaites in disguise.

The only 'wine club'  worth joining is 'the wine society' There's a few members on here who will nominate you if required.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Percy B on February 22, 2008, 02:41:46 pm
The only 'wine club'  worth joining is 'the wine society' There's a few members on here who will nominate you if required.

For a price of course!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Percy B on February 22, 2008, 02:44:16 pm
The only 'wine club'  worth joining is 'the wine society' There's a few members on here who will nominate you if required.

For a price of course!

Graeme on Percy's login - no way would the Wine Society accept Bishton as a member  ;)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Fatleg on February 22, 2008, 07:38:32 pm
Checked the wine society website, you don't need a nominator to join.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 22, 2008, 07:49:28 pm
I've checked their prices too.  They may make some sense to you UK Lubbers but they're well expensive by German standards.  Forget it! 

Bourgoise mores . . .
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 22, 2008, 09:26:33 pm
Fraudini's bogged-off on a girls' night out!

*punches air*

And I'm back on my stash of Osbourne!  Shhh!  Don't say a word!  I've got 2 or 3 clubs to grace, then it's onward w/ my Guru's running plan in the morning!

Death or Glory ~ Whatever comes first . . .    8)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 24, 2008, 07:05:51 pm
Pencil shavings ~ or ~ corked/spoilt wine?

I'm curious, what does corked mean.  I assume it means a wine that has been tainted by the cork and had become woody.  Is that accurate?

Reason is I'm quaffing a Spanish Tinto now, yet I'm not sure if I'm tasting a corked wine or one redolent of pencil shavings.

Please advise.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on February 25, 2008, 10:02:53 am
Corked wine is as a result of a chemical produced by I think a bacterial infection in the cork (this is from memory) you'll know a corked wine when you taste one it will be flat with a smell commonly described as wet dog / newspapers etc.

In recent years I've actually come across very few bottles that have been corked.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Jaspersharpe on February 25, 2008, 10:05:39 am
You certainly know about it when a wine is corked. *puke smiley*
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on February 25, 2008, 10:52:14 am
A 'Corked' wine is a wine that has been bottled with a cork that is contaminated with TCA (2,4,6-Trichloroanisole). TCA contamination usually comes from corks but can also come from barrels, other cooperage or even, apparently, from wood within the cellar including walls or beams. The term 'corked wine' is applied to all wines with TCA contamination because corks are the souce of most of the problems. The wine industry estimates that as many as 3% to 7% of all wines have TCA contamination at levels that can be detected by consumers. Because most people are not trained to recognize the smell and taste of TCA, only a very small fraction of these bad bottles are ever returned to stores or sent back at a restaurant.
Even a very tiny amount of TCA in a wine can ruin it. Most people become aware of TCA in quatities as small as 5 parts per trillion and some individuals are even more sensitive. When TCA is present in quantities high enough to be evident to a person, it comes across as 'musty' aromas and flavors. Even when TCA is not evident in the smell or taste of a wine, very small quantities can subdue the aromas and flavors of fruit that the wine would ordinarily exhibit.
TCA does not pose a health risk (at least in the levels found in wines). It just imparts the aromas and flavors that are objectionable when found in sufficient quantity. Many wines have levels of TCA that are below the threshold of perception. Wine is not the only place you can find TCA. It is also found in some municipal water supplies as well as in some teas.
A great deal of work continues in the cork industry as well as at wineries to develop methods to eliminate corked wine. So far, no completely reliable method has been found.
There are other causes of bad bottles of wine, but TCA contamination is the primary fault you will find in otherwise well-stored bottles. Other faults can include wines that are oxidized, lightstruck or have undergone unplanned secondary fermentation.


There was a great deal of embarrassment at the Louis Latour tasting I went to the other week, when one bottle of the Savigny-les-Beaune they put out with lunch turned out to be corked. None of the LL boys had tasted it first, and I poured out a glass each for the whole of our table. There was a great cry of, "urgh" and a very red faced man then had to rush around replacing glasses and apologising. 

On another occasion, my dad took a merchant out to lunch, and let him choose the wine. He picked an expensive claret of some kind, tasted it, and then informed the sommelier that it was a delicious wine, but it was unfortunately corked. The sommelier took it away, and then brought it back a while later and explained that, "it was only slightly corked".  This was not met with a great deal of sympathy...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Falling Down on February 25, 2008, 11:07:48 am
The Times wine club is Laithwaites in disguise. I was a member last year and thought the mixed case was pretty good value for money, particularly as the selection often lay outside of the varieties that I would normally choose in a resturaunt or buy.

If anyone is passing through the the High Peak I can highly recomend Goyt Wines in Whaley Bridge http://goytwines.com/ (http://goytwines.com/) for a nice selection of affordable fine wines in the £10 to £25 range. Terry, the owner does tastings once a month upstairs and will have a few new bottles open on Friday evenings and Saturday afternoons  Support your local wine dealer!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 25, 2008, 06:00:09 pm
What's the consensus on plastic corks?

I think they're sometimes hard to open (but then they don't break; though I've broken corkscrews in them); they're plastic & plastics are shit); & they must be harming the cork grower's livelihoods.  I love screwtops, but then I'm not interested in vintage wine (only port, which you're daft to drink young & it seems unlikely we'll ever see it screwtopped).
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 27, 2008, 06:11:40 pm
No opinions on plastic corks?  Fuck ya then, back to boozin'.

There's mutiny afoot @ Chez hOU's, today I ran for an hour, and swam for an hour & am finally under 58Kg- so I feel I am deservedly breaking the booze ban one day early - and for good reason.  I lurve Portugals' Douro valley:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/malvis.jpg)

Very nice indeed from an indie weinplatz.  You UK lubbing fools will pay double what I did for this.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 09, 2008, 02:13:05 pm
I may be an amateur wine buff, but I'm good at drinking.  I can take 2 bottles of red now (though I usually stop at 1 & 3/4 & throw the last away in some kinda "maybe it's best this way" gesture, before hitting the water ) & don't really get hangovers . . .  Unless it's Rioja.

Question:  What's the deal w/ Rioja?  Everytime I drink Rioja (half or full-bottle) which I enjoy (great dry oaky taste) I always end up w/ a total bastard-behind-the-eyes in the morning. 

Is there anything peculiar/idiosyncratic about Rioja or it's manufacture that could account for this?  Murders my swede . . .
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 09, 2008, 05:31:11 pm
Houdini, Tannins are what give you the "nails intothe eyeballs axe to skull base" hangovers red wine has has its own tannins which more full bodied, richer reds have in spades anyway. With Rioja's you also have the obligatory time spent in oak, the vanilla flavours this imparts to the wine while delicious are more tannins: so rioja is a tanniny wine with added tannin= "oh god oh god just let me die" any morning after you've done the best part of two bottles.
Enjoy
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Bubba on March 09, 2008, 07:23:11 pm

Damn - Riojas are my favourite thing to drink at the moment.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Percy B on March 09, 2008, 08:03:42 pm
Big up to the Boreal boys in Spain - I had the luck to get given a very expensive and delicious bottle of 1999 rioja off Mr Browning earlier on this year (Jesus and the bosses at Boreal sorted him out a case for Christmas - the good stuff!), and which I accidentally drank the other night. Seeing as I'm currently 'drinking for two' I can vouch for the effect of the tannins on my head the following day, but it was absolutely lovely stuff.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on March 09, 2008, 09:23:25 pm
You wait mate, the days of drinking for two with a chauffeur will come back to haunt you.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 18, 2008, 06:09:28 pm
Zweigelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweigelt)  Drinking this variety of late.  Light, fruity, & recommended.  Very popular in Austria, read the link (wiki).

Yet to try a more pricey bottle.  But drunk a few up to the €6 mark.

The export fortunes of the variety may, oddly enough, be hampered by its originator's uncompromisingly Germanic surname. If only he had been called Dr Pinot Noir . . .


   
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 19, 2008, 03:11:52 pm
So who has any good suggestions for veggie food which shows off fine wines? Indicate which wine and then describe the food or better still give recipe.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 19, 2008, 03:38:09 pm
OK I'll run w/ this.  I'm w/ you on the big red/risotto thang.

Matter of fact we ate risotto few nights ago (nothing fancy - arborio rice, red onion, creamy-brown 'shrooms, simple stock, splash of wine) w/ a Montepulciano D'Abruzzo.  The Frau & I thought it went well.  Actually if I'd had a crisp white I would have put it in the stock . . .

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 19, 2008, 03:59:33 pm
Boglietti do a brilliant dolcetto that works
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on March 19, 2008, 04:35:05 pm
OK I'll run w/ this.  I'm w/ you on the big red/risotto thang.

Matter of fact we ate risotto few nights ago (nothing fancy - arborio rice, red onion, creamy-brown 'shrooms, simple stock, splash of wine) w/ a Montepulciano D'Abruzzo.  The Frau & I thought it went well.  Actually if I'd had a crisp white I would have put it in the stock . . .



my personal preference would be for a bottle of "crisp white" first, and then the barbaresco afterwards, with the risotto...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 19, 2008, 04:42:35 pm

[/quote]

my personal preference would be for a bottle of "crisp white" first, and then the barbaresco afterwards, with the risotto...
[/quote]

Followed by a well chilled Tokjai to accompany the pot au chocolat.
couple of glasses of brandy to finish and..... oh there goes tomorrows climbing
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 19, 2008, 04:51:19 pm
What would you recommend w/ ricotta & spinach tortellini?  For that is tonites dish.  I've already opened an Austrian zweigelt, this is rather light (12%).  Oh we don't do white very often at all. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 19, 2008, 05:03:30 pm
To allow a little wander . . .  I'll try this soon: (I love the taste of Marsala, I think it fine wine)

(I've done something similar using Marsala).

Mushroom Risotto with Marsala

3 Tbsp. butter
1 medium white onion sliced
8 oz. sliced mushrooms
3 cups risotto (Arborio rice)
6 cups chicken broth, warmed in saucepan
1 cup heavy cream
1/2 cup Dry Marsala
 

In a large pot (or Dutch oven) over medium-high heat, combine butter, onion and mushrooms and sauté for five minutes. Add the risotto and continue to sauté for three minutes. Add one cup of the warm chicken broth and stir until absorbed. Continue to add the chicken broth one cup at a time as it absorbs while you stir. When all of the chicken broth has been added, stir in cream and the Marsala. If a thinner consistency is desired, add up to one cup of water. Place the risotto on a platter and top with freshly grated Parmesan cheese.

Best dry Marsala I've found thus far, it's hard to find good stuff.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/Marsala.jpg)

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 19, 2008, 05:32:56 pm
Matching wine w/ food. (http://www.foodandwinepairing.org/food_pairing_board.html)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: yankeepete on March 19, 2008, 06:47:06 pm
In Portland, Oregon USA it's all the rage to pair foods with the in-house microbrew beer.

The theory:

Some say beer beats wine in this pairs competition
By Ann Cortissoz, Globe Staff  |  August 8, 2007

BURLINGTON, Vt. -- If foods are paired successfully, their flavors will dance together, brewmaster Garrett Oliver told members of the cheese industry at a seminar during the American Cheese Society's annual conference here last week. It is a centuries-old tradition among many epicures that wine is the best drink to match with cheddar or chevre. Oliver, however, the head brewer at Brooklyn Brewery in New York and author of "The Brewmaster's Table: Discovering the Pleasures of Real Beer With Real Food," believes that cheese can find a more complementary partner. He thinks beer should cut in.

In a ballroom full of tables covered in white tablecloths and formally set with cloth napkins, flatware, and plates of artisanal Vermont cheeses, the energetic brewer offered his take on beer and cheese pairing. "I've been in several 'Iron Chef'-style competitions with sommeliers, and beer has never lost," the animated, affable Oliver said. "I would like to claim it's because I'm a genius, but beer has certain affinities with cheese." The Brooklyn brewer pointed out that both cheese and beer start with grass (barley in the case of beer) and use a microbe in the fermentation process.

"We have a lot of flavors to work with imparted from the grains, but also from the hops," said the 45-year-old beermaker, flavors like caramel, coffee, and chocolate that result from the roasting of the barley; grassy, tangy, and citrusy flavors from the hops; and banana and clove flavors, among others, imparted by certain yeasts. While wine can only contrast with cheese, Oliver continued, beer can contrast and complement.

"And beer has another weapon: carbonation -- scrubbing bubbles," Oliver explained excitedly. "Cheese coats the tongue so you can't really taste the wine, but beer scrubs the tongue" leaving the palate clean and able to taste all the flavors of the beer and the cheese.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: grumpycrumpy on March 20, 2008, 09:23:26 am
To allow a little wander . . .  I'll try this soon: (I love the taste of Marsala, I think it fine wine)

(I've done something similar using Marsala).

Mushroom Risotto with Marsala

3 Tbsp. butter
1 medium white onion sliced
8 oz. sliced mushrooms
3 cups risotto (Arborio rice)
6 cups chicken broth, warmed in saucepan
1 cup heavy cream
1/2 cup Dry Marsala
 

In a large pot (or Dutch oven) over medium-high heat, combine butter, onion and mushrooms and sauté for five minutes. Add the risotto and continue to sauté for three minutes. Add one cup of the warm chicken broth and stir until absorbed. Continue to add the chicken broth one cup at a time as it absorbs while you stir. When all of the chicken broth has been added, stir in cream and the Marsala. If a thinner consistency is desired, add up to one cup of water. Place the risotto on a platter and top with freshly grated Parmesan cheese.

Best dry Marsala I've found thus far, it's hard to find good stuff.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/Marsala.jpg)


I do something very similar , but I tend to add lemon juice to the mushrooms after I've stewed them in their own juices .... 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 20, 2008, 07:59:16 pm
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wineandfish006.jpg)

Drinking now having raped the cellar w/ out KY  :whistle:

Woody, tres.  Good, but the woodiness is dicking my ring.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 20, 2008, 08:05:24 pm
In fact, having sampled the Taste Vinage Borgoyne Pinot Noir 2005 twice, I'd say the differential betwween that and the 04 was ludicrous. 

I'm for the 05. I'm not a fan of pencil shavings woodiness.  I want berries.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: webbo on March 20, 2008, 08:33:30 pm
as a late comer to this thread my two penneth may have already been said.does anyone else find french wines lacking in body espically if you've been drinking new world wines.i have recently become a bit of a fan of pinot noir,however i brought home a couple of bottles of alsace versions of this from my recent trip to font.it was like piss in fact nearly all of the 10 bottles i brought home i would have been better used as drain cleaner.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 21, 2008, 09:27:11 am
as a late comer to this thread my two penneth may have already been said.does anyone else find french wines lacking in body espically if you've been drinking new world wines.i have recently become a bit of a fan of pinot noir,however i brought home a couple of bottles of alsace versions of this from my recent trip to font.it was like piss in fact nearly all of the 10 bottles i brought home i would have been better used as drain cleaner.

I think it depends on what you've been drinking and personal taste- I tend to find new world wines like alcoholic ribina unless I go £20+ a bottle. What you see as lack of body I tend to call "subtlety". That said American pino can be sex and death (but again not at much less than the above mentioned price).
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 21, 2008, 09:38:40 am
Oz Shiraz.  Blows my swede it's so earthy (occasionally the frau buys it as shiraz/syrah is her thing. I'm getting fascistic about keeping true to local wines; I want all the money to go on the wine & not the mode of transport it took to reach me).

Webbo, I've not tried it but I read Chat' Neuf Du Pape is tres heavy/bodysome (14 to 15% ABV) best w/ strong meats.  Doesn't Slopes bathe in Du Pape?

 :-\
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: webbo on March 21, 2008, 10:18:26 am
we used to buy c,n,p quite often you could get a case at macro for a reasonable price but i'm sure last time we got some we weren't impressed,i tried to find some when i was in france could only see a white version.
i brought home stuff we bought at vinyards in the past but as before it just seemed lacking in something.yes i know the stuff the aussies and the yanks fill theirs with.
maybe my paletes just knackered.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Jaspersharpe on March 21, 2008, 10:26:24 am
I know very little about wine despite drinking lots of it but I do know that (for me) you can't beat a good CNdP.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 21, 2008, 11:09:25 am
Wine's a minefield.  There is so much to learn.  So in a way it's like Slopes said to me about liking port It's great as it's only one region to learn about.  Luckily I really like Douro wines too.   

I can't afford CNdP right now.  Though I have looked around and it can be as low as €10 a bottle up to crikey price.  Maybe next month . . .
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 21, 2008, 11:15:57 am
Southern Rhone wines mmmmm. Try Vaquerayas. I'm currently drinking Perrin et fils "les Christins" bught two cases of the '05 then remembered I had a case of '03 in bond so I took delivery of that and now have the comparison between the two... any night I want to be hungover. As it stands, though the drink by date of the '03 is 2009, I am finding it less enjoyable than the '05.
Btw CNdP is massively variable in quality and can be made with a mix of up to 14 different grapes (with Grenache being dominant).
If you are looking for Big reds (and they do seem to be popular here) you could do a lot worse than Bandol which is an appellation in the Var on the Cote D'azure.
Also Houdini please do give us the benefit of your living in Germany as while I do like the German wines I've drunk (dry reislings, and some lovely light pinos) germany really is a closed book to me.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 21, 2008, 11:28:22 am
Of course Joe (but I believe Yoss is a big white fan also).

Whites, I wish I knew, but Fraudini's father really only touches German whites and calls Riesling The Queen of Whites.  It's Easter so I'll see and question him tomorrow.

For ages I only bought French/Portugese/Spanish reds but have discovered German reds to be very good indeed, esp Spätburgunder AKA pino noir.  It's more expensive than you would imagine, which is partly to do w/ Germany standards but also as an indicator of quality.  I found pricier German reds to be fabulous (comparing w/ French of a similar price).  As "Rhenish", German Pinot Noir is mentioned several times in Shakesperean plays as a highly prized wine.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 21, 2008, 11:49:49 am
I found Perrin et fils "les Christins" 03 for 155 quid/12 (13  per bottle). 

I'll rarley pay more than €9/10 for a bottle (excepting port which is free from price restrictions *drool*) but here it's just not necessary to spend so much €5 is just fine.  I find it hard to compare on prices w/ you UK lubbers as wine is extortionate there.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 21, 2008, 05:24:56 pm
Matching wine w/ food. (http://www.foodandwinepairing.org/food_pairing_board.html)
Nice post :great:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 23, 2008, 09:17:27 pm
I drank this w/ my Easter lunch and Russian pas'cha pudding, a silver prize winner, aparently:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/easter002.jpg)

It's grown here:

(http://www.friderichs-wein.de/picgallery/images/MAI_2006%20018%20(483%20x%20362).jpg)

(http://www.friderichs-wein.de/images/ediger2.jpg)

http://www.friderichs-wein.de/  From the Mosel region (a river off the Rhein)  55% of the crop are whites; but they also grow spätburgunder/pinot noir.  And make Eiswein too.  It's half-dry/slightly sweet.  Very drinkable.

Papa-Fraudini has it delivered at no extra cost every year or so (for orders over €120 or 36 bottles).  It's not to be found in shops.  You can have it posted, or smaller orders delivered at around €8 for 21 bottles.  Though he recommends their Ediger Feuerberg 2004 Riesling Spätlese (bronze prize winning wine)

The wine is stupid cheap as they sell themselves, make a healthy profit, do just fine w/ out shops.  Your average wine is sold @ c. €4.50 and their top wines (the hand-sort grape-by-grape types) around €10 per bottle.  They are extraordinary value and delicious to boot.  Myself and the Frau will be ordering a few dozen bottles of their spätburgunder.  And why not @ €4.50 to €5 inc. free delivery?

I'll be plum tuckered if you can get this in the UK (as I said before, Germans keep the best shit for themselves, and sell the rest.)




Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 23, 2008, 10:41:11 pm
I found Perrin et fils "les Christins" 03 for 155 quid/12 (13  per bottle). 

I'll rarley pay more than €9/10 for a bottle (excepting port which is free from price restrictions *drool*) but here it's just not necessary to spend so much €5 is just fine.  I find it hard to compare on prices w/ you UK lubbers as wine is extortionate there.
Don't bother with the '03 Perrin at that price it's a really lovely £9-£10 a bottle wine any further is a piss-take; and like I said in my earlier post I'm kind of worried about how the '03 is stacking up against the attack of the '05.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: andy_e on March 23, 2008, 10:59:57 pm
HALT!

My aunt's parents own a vineyard in that area- He's called Robert Wagner and this is his website: http://www.liebezumwein.de/

Very good wine, all of it, I know because every time my cousins have christenings we go over to germany and eat lots of food and drink lots of wine!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 24, 2008, 11:06:15 am
That's a lovely website.  Good to see a smaller firm paying a little more for decent pages.  The German-only is indicative of their customer base - but kinda annoying in these global times - there should be an English version too, as like most smaller winehouses, they rent appartments to tourists.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: webbo on March 24, 2008, 09:03:16 pm
i have come to conclusion that my taste buds are knackered.i bought a couple of bottles of rioja to get in practice for next weeks trip to the spanish terrortries.again it was very disappointing compared to tonights bottle of blossom hill wine makers selection merlot.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 24, 2008, 09:26:38 pm
Rioja?  Just normal common or garden rioja?

Try a reserva, if that doesn't work hit the gran reserva.  I believe it's a matter of aging in oak that is the difference:  normal being short to gran reserva long.  I'd expect the gran to be darn oaky.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 24, 2008, 09:27:45 pm
i have come to conclusion that my taste buds are knackered.i bought a couple of bottles of rioja to get in practice for next weeks trip to the spanish terrortries.again it was very disappointing compared to tonights bottle of blossom hill wine makers selection merlot.
Nah don't beat yourself up- big fruity new world wines are instant and gorgeous. Put them up against food though and they begin to have problems. I've just done in a 2003 southern Rhone with pasta and a blue cheese and wild garlic source. It worked  brilliantly. Now i'm am on a Chilean merlot of death defying  fruit and weight ( casa Lapostelle) it is working beautifully as an after dinner drink but I cannot for the life of me think how I would pair it with food i.e. drink it as wine should be drunk. When you get to Spain the wine and food will meld perfectly, as they always do, as it should be.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: webbo on March 24, 2008, 09:41:21 pm
Rioja?  Just normal common or garden rioja?

Try a reserva, if that doesn't work hit the gran reserva.  I believe it's a matter of aging in oak that is the difference:  normal being short to gran reserva long.  I'd expect the gran to be darn oaky.
it was muriel 2003 reserva.with regard to aging in oak,i thought the oak barrels was the new world way of getting the body into a wine and therefore cheating.i did hear though it was starting to become the in thing for european wines.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 24, 2008, 09:45:12 pm
I must step aside and allow a more learned pisshead to answer this one.  But would advice the purchase of a '99 or '00 gran reserva to contrast w/.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: webbo on March 24, 2008, 09:49:02 pm
i must admit this was not that much of an informed buy  the said rioja was on offer in the market weighton coop reduced from £7.99 to £3.99.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 24, 2008, 09:52:19 pm
Seriously people MUST learn to ignore price (to a degree).  Trust your taste buds.  Shit! I pay €5 for a certain wine in France, €9.50 for the same wine in Germany, any guesses what that wine might cost in the UK?  Me neither, fuck it (and fuck the UK  :thumbsdown:).
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: webbo on March 24, 2008, 10:09:16 pm
i do try to ignore the half price scenario that the supermarkets use to get rid of there crap stock.but i usually find the coop tends to be more genuine in its marketing.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on March 30, 2008, 09:01:08 pm
. . . the recently delivered case of Domain Tempier Bandol I've just had delivered . . .

Spill the beans Joe.  Plus would you please give an indication of average price (most pertinent).  You are UK based I think?

I've researched a little and this (or rather 02 03) is most expensive in US retailers - irrelevant, like . . .   Full breakdown, bitte.   :)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on March 31, 2008, 02:12:11 pm
. . . the recently delivered case of Domain Tempier Bandol I've just had delivered . . .

Spill the beans Joe.  Plus would you please give an indication of average price (most pertinent).  You are UK based I think?

I've researched a little and this (or rather 02 03) is most expensive in US retailers - irrelevant, like . . .   Full breakdown, bitte.   :)
I got this via The Wine Society, and split a case with Graeme Alderson. Its not cheap- £14.95 a bottle, and yeah I am UK based (Well most of the time , but that's another story).
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on April 11, 2008, 12:39:57 pm
So, seems the Font season for people who don't like it baltic is well underway.


What's been drunk while you've been out there?  Don't say Leffe or protein shake.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: webbo on April 11, 2008, 12:48:42 pm
i've changed my opinion about european wine having spent two weeks in tenerife,spanish wine is the way forward.the trouble is i can't remember what we drank other than the vineyard/maker was torres.i think my memorys gone due to being 4 days into sobriety.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on April 11, 2008, 12:49:54 pm
Don't know, but it worked. Mr Sharpe and I both managed our second Fontainebleau, Font 7b+s. I think he might remember more of the details about what was drunk, as he knows more about this stuff.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on April 11, 2008, 12:56:57 pm
Torres.

Good wines, I've bought them here.  A 100% Temperanillo, I guess?

I'm drinking Spanish Shiraz/Syrah at the moment.  I do like temperanillo but favour the velvetier body of a good Shiraz.  Still has that acrid earthy Spanishness to the taste though.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Jaspersharpe on April 11, 2008, 01:26:57 pm
Don't know, but it worked. Mr Sharpe and I both managed our second Fontainebleau, Font 7b+s. I think he might remember more of the details about what was drunk, as he knows more about this stuff.

Can't recall any details. Meant to take some photos of the better ones but forgot was pissed. I remember a few botles of very palatable Sauvignon Blanc @ €3, a good Cotes Du Ventoux @ €2.16 (!) a Petit Chablis at about €8 that was nothing special and that fantastic red that Dancing John brought round which he'd pushed the boat out and spent about €12 on. Again I meant to make a mental note of what it was / photograph it. Unfortunately that evening I was too busy gathering evidence of abuse in Ukranian mental asylums.

(http://i26.tinypic.com/24obuyo.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on April 11, 2008, 01:31:10 pm
The ECT rig in the kitchen worked a treat - I forgot about most of the abuse with only 30-40 minutes of being wired up to the mains.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Jaspersharpe on April 12, 2008, 10:25:32 am
I was informed yesterday by Dancing John that the very good €12 bottle of red that we demolished was a Haut-Médoc. No further details were forthcoming. It was very nice though and would probably have been in the £25 region in this Godforsaken country.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on April 12, 2008, 02:42:14 pm
La Tour de Marrenon, currently on sale at tescos. Absolutely gorgeous, fruity, young red Cotes de Ventoux-cheap as buckets of berries in the gob. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on April 25, 2008, 05:34:54 pm
Fraudini & I have been supping the most insanely affordable-to-tasty wine of late:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/Art.jpg)

As you can see, no oil painting to look at.  €4 a bottle, stupid price.  Utterly delicious; opaque, rich, velvety.  Big on body, something to roll around the mouth for a full minute before swallowing. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 02, 2008, 08:18:49 pm
You all drink in pubs don't you?   Reassuringly expensive . . .


Ah . . .     A while back I mentioned something about only buying very local wines, as far as Portugal I recall.  This is no longer possible. 

Excuse:  Body.  I fear I do not have the dough to chase local corper.  I know that there are French and indeed German wine w/ very rich textures big on body but great German wine tends to be more expensive that great French wine and I don't want to pay the Earth for wine.  It is, after all, just wine.

Ah . . .   Oz it is.  And a move to Cab Sauv from our usual Shiraz.  There is something crazy rich about Oz wine is there not.  I assume it's the iron-rich soil.

Any thoughts on Oz wine? 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on May 03, 2008, 01:11:06 am
You all drink in pubs don't you?   Reassuringly expensive . . .


Ah . . .     A while back I mentioned something about only buying very local wines, as far as Portugal I recall.  This is no longer possible. 

Excuse:  Body.  I fear I do not have the dough to chase local corper.  I know that there are French and indeed German wine w/ very rich textures big on body but great German wine tends to be more expensive that great French wine and I don't want to pay the Earth for wine.  It is, after all, just wine.

Ah . . .   Oz it is.  And a move to Cab Sauv from our usual Shiraz.  There is something crazy rich about Oz wine is there not.  I assume it's the iron-rich soil.

Any thoughts on Oz wine? 

Not iron rich soil, just loads of sun. Grapes ripen quickly (I'm generalizing obviously) and have loads of residual sugar (read high alcohol potential). This along with good (some of the world's best wine makers) gives us what I call alcoholic ribina: really, immediately approachable, fruity wines. Personally they don't do much for me. I actually like austere wines which match up against food. The big Oz, American, New World wines which are getting all the press these days are incredibly hard to match with food: they swamp it. Houdini you live in a country which has a talent for wines with a low alcohol content and wedges of character go discover them and tell us about them- please. As for this quote " It is, after all, just wine." Well it might be believable from someone who posted on this thread about 100th as often as you do.
And long may you continue posting.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: underground on May 03, 2008, 01:21:19 am
Joe's alcoholic ribena- stuff to get hammered on in pretentious circles innit?

The man's right - when he says 'low alcohol', bearing in mind the logarithmical way in which those numbers work, there int much to worry about. a few percent less ABV means a few more glasses of pleasure. Unless the goal is wankeredness. Or you genuinely love the taste of those wines- in which case tell him to bury himself in a sewer.

In my A level days mates and me used to use a simple equation to work out pissedness per pound, and stuck by it. Once we bought Holsten Pils by default as the one with stubble panicked, none of us could drink it. Probably still in a bush down Millhouses if anyone's thirsty.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 03, 2008, 08:59:35 am
Alas, there is cost to consider, w/ the more interesting German wines coming in at around €9 per bottle. 

Myself & the Frau normally share one bottle in the evening.  We've found ourselves going for a heavier wine w/ more alcohol (13.5 - 14%) which I like as I miss port (the ridiculous flavour and body, which I don't drink anymore largely due to cost: tasty port is not cheap).  Also, w/ New World wines one gets more for less & I'm less likely to finish a bottle then go out for more (we live alarmingly close to shops . . .) as wine is, well, terribly moreish, at least for me.

W/ port I'd hold it in the mouth for a minute, even longer before swallowing, soak up all that flavour.  We've tried a few local Spätburgunders recently that needed to be swallowed immediately, there's nothing more on offer to warrant rolling it around.  Which is where the pleasure for me is.  Also as a vegetarian the food matching options are few, so the flavour must come from the wine.

Wankeredness . . .  Hmmmm . . .   Not the objective as I'll only be moidered by 'er indoors if I get leathered, and fat!  Crazy how a bottle or two sits on the hips in the morning.  Running it off can be fun but it does grind one down.  I'd thought about jumping to stronger wines in order to drink less, the 14.5 - 15% ones.  I'll look into it.
 

None of this is to say we operate a closed door policy @ Chez hOU's - all welcome!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 03, 2008, 01:46:23 pm
Actually last night's big red was S. African, not Oz.  That was mid afternoon's tipple . . .


Besides, it's summer now in the Reich.  Well, barely spring for you Englanders (and probably winter still in N. Wales).

For m'self and Nibs it's shorts silken thong and t-shirt muscle vest; BBQ's along the river and in the parks, and usually the time zee frau starts buying whites and I turn to weißbier (and some serious steiner training).

Apparently the local summer habit is to make weißweinschorle (white and sparkling mineral water) so stand buy, there'll be opportunities ahead to minesweep a (undiluted) Riesling or two  8)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on May 06, 2008, 09:26:31 pm
Actually last night's big red was S. African, not Oz.  That was mid afternoon's tipple . . .


Besides, it's summer now in the Reich.  Well, barely spring for you Englanders (and probably winter still in N. Wales).

For m'self and Nibs it's shorts silken thong and t-shirt muscle vest; BBQ's along the river and in the parks, and usually the time zee frau starts buying whites and I turn to weißbier (and some serious steiner training).

Apparently the local summer habit is to make weißweinschorle (white and sparkling mineral water) so stand buy, there'll be opportunities ahead to minesweep a (undiluted) Riesling or two  8)
Actually all blazing sun, instantly shite grit and St. Veran on the balcony :great: :bounce:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on May 06, 2008, 09:36:35 pm
Tonight saw the happy demise of a bottle of Pouilly Fumé whilst watching the sun go down  :)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on May 07, 2008, 12:29:24 pm
Myself and Mr Joepicalli downed some nice wine on Saturday night

3 bottles of Domaine Delas & Freres Hermitage, Cuvee Marquis de la Tourrettes

The 1971 was past it's prime but still very good.

The 1983 was very good but no where near as good as the 1983 La Chapelle we had a few months back.

The 1998 still tasted a bit young to me but Joe preferred it to the '83

Also had a 2003 white Crozes Hermitage, a NV Barossa Muscat, a 1988 Ch Suiduiraut (Sauternes) and a nice bottle of fizz.

My head hurt on Sunday.

Disclaimer - it wasn't just me and Joe, we ARE borderline alcoholics but we are that bad  :alky:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 07, 2008, 01:05:20 pm
. . . Cuvee Marquis de la Tourrettes . . .

Can't believe you didn't save any for me you you f-f-f--f--f-f-f-f-f-fuckin' wankers!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 07, 2008, 01:13:10 pm
Today I wandered in Hamburg town w/ €5/4 quid in my pocket.  I returned w/ 2 bottles of wine, 2 (empty) bottles of local export beer and an empty bag (which contained a fresh baked pretzel). 

Plus change!

Here is one of my bargains:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/Art-1.jpg)

Ludicrous isn't it?  That in the German city w/ the highest percentage of millionaires in all of Deutschland one can purchase a 10 year old wine for €2.29 from a high street supermarket . . .

Review later, as I've an Italian red and a tomato/mozarella salad to get through first.   8)


Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 07, 2008, 09:52:29 pm
The reserva is great.  Punching well above it's weight in the price dept.  Officially the best taste-to-cost wine I've bought.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 10, 2008, 08:31:15 pm
Found this today (under €4 - getting fucked has never been so affordable) though as you see w/ this product, it's bio (that is German for organic) so I save hundreds - if not more - of French orphans a day from pesticide death w/ every bottle!

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/Art003-1.jpg)

But seriously, it's come in tastier than wines at 2€ a bottle more.


Any thoughts on mis en boutille (sp?) dans le chateau (gr?) etc..  I've yet to be convinced this make too much of a difference to taste.  But as an ex-smoker I have next to no sense of smell/taste; so why should you listen to me?

By-zee-vay: taking snaps of bottles is piss, picture hosting too.  This thread needs more pictures. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 12, 2008, 08:51:26 pm
Found another German/Austrian grape variety I really like, the Blauer Portugieser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blauer_Portugieser). 

Unusually it makes a good eating grape as well as wine but can't be sold as table grapes in the EU due to banal political reasons.  But lovely, rich, but not in an alcoholic ribena way.  Finding it so much more palatable than these thin, rather woody French pinots or the distant German spätburgunders we've had recently.

Anyone have any thoughts on Eastern European wines?  There's plenty of Bulgarian about but rarely see Croatian wines for sale here.  Which is weird as it roasts in Croatia.

                                                          *           *          *   
     
As it happens the hOU wine blog must rest a while:  I've been sworn to sobreity for a least one week.  Which pains me as the last booze in the house is now some ghastly Italian Cinzano-esque shit which I'd probably drink at gunpoint, and of course, that last bottle in every cellar, the Amaretto.  Great!





 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on May 12, 2008, 09:22:26 pm
I've been sworn to sobreity for a least one week. 


 :o :o :o

Quote
and of course, that last bottle in every cellar, the Amaretto

I myself have a whole pipe of Amontillado - if you will just follow me into this cellar - bring your own trowel... mind the pile of bricks... we shall return to the party shortly...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on May 13, 2008, 10:31:31 pm
A sentence I never thought I would write...I'm drinking a glass of really good fruit wine. There I've done it; I'm a fucking hippy (Christ, now I look at the label, its got a fucking Mandlebrot set on it, it just gets worse).
Apple wine given to me as a present yesterday for putting in a really long day for a vaguely hippy place out in north Derbyshire; "Great" , I thought, "Thanks", I said, meaning; "Die Die, something slow, and pustules many pustules".
However,being constitutionally incapable of not trying something which is free and has alcohol in it, I've just opened it and its like a really strong, still cider with a finish like a marsanne based wine, really quite un-hippy.
I was given two bottles; I feel something involving mature cheddar and the second bottle coming on.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 14, 2008, 09:15:08 am
I had reason to translate a little Latin to German last night for zee frau: Delerium tremens . . .  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delerium_tremens)

...Other common symptoms include intense hallucinations such as visions of insects, snakes or rats (or stereotypically, pink elephants)...

 :furious:

There's no way I'll touch that amaretto.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 15, 2008, 08:30:44 am
Quick shout for anyone online early. 




Need to find an Italian red as a birthday gift (cab sauv preferably).  Any knowledge?  Probably pay €15 which should get a great wine, here in the land of the free.

Fraudini & I are particularly fond of all thing Sicillian, so that's what I'd normally err towards.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on May 15, 2008, 10:47:35 am
Quick shout for anyone online early. 




Need to find an Italian red as a birthday gift (cab sauv preferably).  Any knowledge?  Probably pay €15 which should get a great wine, here in the land of the free.

Fraudini & I are particularly fond of all thing Sicillian, so that's what I'd normally err towards.
Cab souv isn't an Italian grape, though it has since the 80's been quite widely grown esp in Tuscany and added to the so called Super Tuscans. You should go for somthing Piemnotese. Your fifteen euro won't stretch to a Barolo, but it will get you a corking barbera or dolcetto. If you can find it the dolcetto by Boglietti(indeed any wine by them) is great. If you are up for something headier (and from reading your posts it sounds like you usually are) The go deep southern- Sicillian Nero d'Avola is vey well produced by the  Planeta Estate who also do a good cab sauv if you must wuss out of drinking Italian grapes.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 15, 2008, 01:38:43 pm
Italian Cab/Sauv:  Yes I did a little net research before posting.  There's plenty grown there, even on Sicily.

Alas the advice came too late and I purchased (from my usual independent) the following:

The wine snob will be gifted this whether he likes it or not @ €13:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wines001.jpg)

This is for me 1L @ €5: 

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wines002.jpg)

This is for the frau (and her screeching witches that decend on our flat like shitflies ever 3rd Thursday to watch Germany's Next Top Model Show) 1L @ €5 (she mainly drinks Syrah & doesn't particularly dig Oz or New World Shiraz, though I did scope out some lovely looking Sicillian Syrah around the €7/bottle range, which I suspect will be divine.)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wines.jpg)

The wino gave me an invite to a wine tasting which is @ an independent merchant warehouse but 5 mins walk from our gaff, so I think I may go as it's only €15 a ticket inc. buffet and I've never been known to spit my wine out.  Should be a good opportunity to get well-spazzed.

 8)

Thanks for the advice, I will bear it in mind for the future.  Though I should add that I don't rate France in general and prefer Italian, Austrian and German culture.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 28, 2008, 07:45:21 pm
'Er indoors picked this up for (see label) €4.99.  Can't find a reliable online price but people are biddling €47 for 6 bottles on ebay.  So we did OK I think.  Nicely austere, I assume Joe approves.  Kinda woody/pencil shaving-y/tannin-y w/ a hint of cassis and if I'm not mistaken, nubile bitch-ling on heat.  Scooby Fucking Doo!

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wines-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on May 28, 2008, 08:23:58 pm
'Er indoors picked this up for (see label) €4.99.  Can't find a reliable online price but people are biddling €47 for 6 bottles on ebay.  So we did OK I think.  Nicely austere, I assume Joe approves.  Kinda woody/pencil shaving-y/tannin-y w/ a hint of cassis and if I'm not mistaken, nubile bitch-ling on heat.  Scooby Fucking Doo!

I do I do. 4.99 for 2001 Graves, Houdini, you're becoming an easy man to dislike.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 28, 2008, 08:35:40 pm
It's tasty enough.


But it didn't go too well w/ potato, cream and sage gratin.   It's been 20 years since I've eaten it but I'd say wild roast rabbit w/ rosemary would go famously (taste: so easy to remember even decades later . . .  *whistful*)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 28, 2008, 08:40:37 pm
EDIT killing double post
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 28, 2008, 08:59:14 pm
In fact, next thing I kill I'm gonna eat.  It's been 2 decades (minus a bit of duck or a shrimp).  Just in case I'm missing out of some sensory grub/wine mating extravaganza (probably give me savage trapped wind, like, but . . .)   

This is the last unfortunate creature to cop it (it fell out of the sky - nearly braining me - after being winged by a hunting party in the distance) I fell on it like a ravenous urchin and merely expedited matters . . .

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/Font2007072.jpg)

Manna.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on May 28, 2008, 09:43:21 pm
Remember road kill is fine, but be sure to have some decent Burgundy to go with it.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on May 29, 2008, 08:45:27 pm
Boy pheasant ain't normally the best eating. Hang it.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 29, 2008, 08:55:22 pm
I never tasted it, only killed it.  But a hunter-type mate did.  He said:  "Yeah, letting it hang is normal, but only truly necessary in older, tougher birds.  This one is young."

He plucked it, gutted it, cooked and wolfed it there and then.  He said it was beautiful.  Admittedly he's used to Moose and Pike . . .
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 29, 2008, 08:59:37 pm
This should be in The Culture forum.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on May 31, 2008, 09:19:33 pm
In the culture forum you say?


Right!   What do you think about this (http://www.oddbins.com/products/productDetail.asp?productcode=70666) then Joe?  Sounds interesting.

I'd like to get my laughing gear around it (even though it does come a long way).



PS.  What's w/ the French?  Why do they pooh-pooh single grape wines?  J' Adore 100% syrah/pinot. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: tlr on May 31, 2008, 09:36:34 pm
Just a bit of a public service anouncement: Somerfield has Zontes Footstep Shiraz Viognier reduced to £6 at the moment. Perfect barbecue wine, and also brilliant with peppered steak.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 01, 2008, 08:24:36 pm
In the culture forum you say?


Right!   What do you think about this (http://www.oddbins.com/products/productDetail.asp?productcode=70666) then Joe?  Sounds interesting.

I'd like to get my laughing gear around it (even though it does come a long way).



PS.  What's w/ the French?  Why do they pooh-pooh single grape wines?  J' Adore 100% syrah/pinot. 


I've yet to be convinced by any S.A. wines yet. Especially reds. There always seems to be a tarry too much sun thing going on. Plus there is still the minefield of the ethics of S.A. wine - what are the conditions for the (mainly black) workforce in any given vineyard. That said your choice does look great, I think I shall have to indulge in a bottle.

P.S. The French have traditionally pooh-poohed single variety wine in favour of the notion of terroir which means the understanding of your vineyard's micro-geology and climate and planting grape varieties accordingly. The resultant wine is then the blend of what has worked that year.
Notwithstanding the above A great many of France's finest are single variety- Red Burgundy is pinot noir. White Burgundy is Chardonnay. The great Northern Rhones are 100% syrah  (it is permissible to a some viognier, off the top of my head 10%, to some appellations).
Plus there are now a slew of VDP in the Languedoc happily doing really good single varieties.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 02, 2008, 07:19:56 pm
How about this then Joe?  €4.99 / ₤3.94

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wines003-1.jpg)

Not as austere as the Graves 2001; quite approachable, velvety to the point of losing its opaqueness, blackberried but still retaining that French woodiness.

Did I mention I've found a source of heavily reduced fines including this and the Graves 2001 for less than €5 plus other Cru's no more than €6.99?  Must've slipped my mind there . . . 

 8)   
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 02, 2008, 10:16:51 pm
Excellent.


A quick google reveals the Pauillac Baron Nathaniel 2001 is on sale @ €15 in other retailers in Hamburg and between ₤15 & ₤20 (4 to 5 time more) per bottle in the UK.


 8)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on June 03, 2008, 12:43:52 pm
that's not a pauillac..

this is a pauillac..

(http://blog.grands-bordeaux.com/public/.Latour-1961_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 03, 2008, 02:08:12 pm
That cost a 4 squillion quid, soaps.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 03, 2008, 02:38:35 pm
Lord Soapy got me thinking. 

How much are people prepared to spend on their wine?  In the UK 15/20 quid a bottle is par for the course.  Spent more on Port than wine (but then I'd expect to) and in which country you buy makes a vast difference, I'd hate to be a Swedish pisshead. 

Personally I'd never spend more than 50 quid on any bottle of booze regardless of how flush I was on point of principle - there's too much stunning wine under than to bother.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 03, 2008, 04:37:49 pm
Lord Soapy got me thinking. 

How much are people prepared to spend on their wine?  In the UK 15/20 quid a bottle is par for the course.  Spent more on Port than wine (but then I'd expect to) and in which country you buy makes a vast difference, I'd hate to be a Swedish pisshead. 

Personally I'd never spend more than 50 quid on any bottle of booze regardless of how flush I was on point of principle - there's too much stunning wine under than to bother.


Spent £1608 on 6 bottles of Y'quem 2001 last year.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on June 03, 2008, 04:39:29 pm
When are you hosting the tasting?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Duma on June 03, 2008, 05:04:07 pm
 :jaw:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on June 03, 2008, 05:13:49 pm
my apols houd, but,


this thread was trending downwards to reeperbahn tramps piss...hardly living up to its title, no..?


myself, occasionally i know when i've tasted greatness, but the old palate just isn't refined enough, and i suppose tobacco doesn't help


so i take my hat off to joe, yoss and slopes, who certainly do seem to be endowed with taste buds capable of subtle differentiation


Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 03, 2008, 05:16:09 pm
When are you hosting the tasting?
In about 5 year's time and it will be me and my current friends (I will have gone out of my way to be a total bastard to everyone I know for months beforehand).
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 03, 2008, 05:22:39 pm
  In the UK 15/20 quid a bottle is par for the course. 


Despite my previous post, £15-20 quid for an everyday (and I do mean every day) drinking wine is bloody steep. My "Fuck me there's a "y" in the day, I'd better celebrate with a glass of wine.", wine is between £5.5 and £9 a bottle.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 03, 2008, 05:29:32 pm
Spent £1608 on 6 bottles of Y'quem 2001 last year.

Joe you are fucking insane and you need your head seeing to.


Soapy, you have more money than I do.  It shows, you radge.  Reeperbahn bums drink corn or bad white wine from tetrapacks.   

Me, I just like getting drunk.   







Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 03, 2008, 05:37:26 pm
Oh sorry Joe I didn't answer the price thing, I'd spend 20 quid on a nice wine not everyday supping.  It's enough.  I sure as fuck wouldn't know the world's finest if it was offered, why on Earth would I want to kiss 10% of the arses so I could afford such bourgeois luxury?

I think there's an element of earnings-related snobbery from soapy's corner which I dislike intensely.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 03, 2008, 05:55:13 pm
Spent £1608 on 6 bottles of Y'quem 2001 last year.

Joe you are fucking insane and you need your head seeing to.
If I drink 1/2 and sell the other half in about 20 years I should have drunk for free or even made a profit; this stuff is a Robert Parker 100 pointer, the Chinese are getting richer and getting a taste for good wine, expanding the market etc. etc. Operatating a long way north is insane 8)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 03, 2008, 06:05:19 pm
. . . sell the other half in about 20 years I should have drunk for free or even made a profit . . . 

Assuming you live that long  ;D Sounds like your wife will do well out of your cellar, Joe.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 03, 2008, 07:53:45 pm
I'm somewhat narked by soapy:  some fortunate fellow who pops in once every 4 months, has posted here twice, drinks Tesco's Port . . .

This thread exists because I PM'd Sloper.  And it really should be about learning about wine, not pontificating on what one can afford.  This is a bouldering forum - a place where those that accrue experiences (not wealth/possessions) can spray about them.  If it was restricted to fine wine it'd be 6 posts and back on page 16.


Thanks to Joe for the Parker heads-up.  Never heard of him:  there's a background on him and his wine review here (http://www.erobertparker.com/info/milliondollarnose.asp).  This is great reading: shows you just how much money/power/skullduggery and yes, hubris (quelle surprise!) there is in the French wine making industry. 


 

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on June 04, 2008, 12:02:35 am
Houdini - I am tremendously impressed by your wine odyssey these past few months. You've jumped in at the deep end and appear to have tried such a wide range it makes me feel not a little bit inadequate.

Soapy is far to generous re my palate. I have been far too fortunate over the years, and have taste far better wine than my means and age would usually allow. I have also inherited a number of prejudices as well as favourites.

Personally, my favourite wines are white burgundies and red piedmonts. The latter because of a number of work contacts whom were generous to celebrate xmas by sending through bottles of Gaja Barbaresco. The former because the best white Burgundies are (in my opinion) incomparable with anything else I've tasted.

Wine is a fiendishly pompous kettle of fish, but that is partly what it's all about.

Perhaps we can raise a glass to quality and to interest, rather than drag all this down into a discussion about value vs. price?

PS - Just tried Inverleven 77 and The Golden Cask -Port Ellen 83 - both quite special
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 07:22:03 am
... I am tremendously impressed by your wino odyssey ...
 

Me too, I should be dead by now  :alky:

Perhaps we can raise a glass to quality and to interest, rather than drag all this down into a discussion about value vs. price?

If you fancy.  Though perceived value/kudos/rarity/snobbery and its relationship to human character is fascinating ; not just in wine but in all things, property for example: good areas vs bad; places to be seen that cost a fortune.  I read somewhere that the most expensive terroir wines cost c. €10 per bottle to produce (!) There's this rich-bitch 40-something w/ too much make-up I see in the local Lidl occassionally. I look in her trolley & it's real shit (crap margarine/€2 wines etc..).  She drives a newish silver Maserati: it's the business.  I wonder at her in puzzlement (as I do at most I meet & I'm reaching here & can't be sure) but suspect she scrimps on hauskeeping to afford her wheels.  People are weird; I'd rather eat organic butter and drive a Mini . . .  But I digress.

Keen to explore wine further (& start buying port again) but hampered by dwindling savings (haven't worked for 8 months!  Which has been great as the fingers are healed & can run like a greased whippet now  8) but not so good for the lash).  Could be working in Brum soon so if anyone's up for getting fucked, can do).
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 04, 2008, 09:51:32 am
Perhaps we can raise a glass to quality and to interest, rather than drag all this down into a discussion about value vs. price?
Tiniest bit anal here I know, but isn't quality a function of value and price i.e. something which is good value for its price is of good quality. The point about Houd's wine trawl (and I thought Sloper's comments about it a bit mean) is that he appears to be picking up some lovely stuff very cheaply, and seeming to be getting a taste for some stuff which he hasn't thought he liked in the past; surely this is what appreciating wine is all about?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on June 04, 2008, 12:05:49 pm
Er, yes. Sorry, I was a bit pissed last night. (1 bottle of White Prem Cru Givry - very nice, 2 martinis and the aforementioned whiskies).

My best recent discovery has been Vire-Clesse. A new appellation, and at the moment distinctly undervalued. That IS quality...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on June 04, 2008, 12:10:17 pm
Perhaps we can raise a glass to quality and to interest, rather than drag all this down into a discussion about value vs. price?
Tiniest bit anal here I know, but isn't quality a function of value and price i.e. something which is good value for its price is of good quality. The point about Houd's wine trawl (and I thought Sloper's comments about it a bit mean) is that he appears to be picking up some lovely stuff very cheaply, and seeming to be getting a taste for some stuff which he hasn't thought he liked in the past; surely this is what appreciating wine is all about?

I think you mean Soapy's comment?

As for Parker and his farting bulldog and points I think that's a load of toss.  I take great pleasure in seeking out good wine from lesser known producers and areas, in fact I'll share a couple of tips, Vasse Felix from the Margaret River in W Oz and Cassa Weinert in Argentina (their 100% cab sauv needs a few years to round off) and their blend is a real cracker.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 04, 2008, 12:20:17 pm
Perhaps we can raise a glass to quality and to interest, rather than drag all this down into a discussion about value vs. price?
Tiniest bit anal here I know, but isn't quality a function of value and price i.e. something which is good value for its price is of good quality. The point about Houd's wine trawl (and I thought Sloper's comments about it a bit mean) is that he appears to be picking up some lovely stuff very cheaply, and seeming to be getting a taste for some stuff which he hasn't thought he liked in the past; surely this is what appreciating wine is all about?


I think you mean Soapy's comment?


As for Parker and his farting bulldog and points I think that's a load of toss.  I take great pleasure in seeking out good wine from lesser known producers and areas, in fact I'll share a couple of tips, Vasse Felix from the Margaret River in W Oz and Cassa Weinert in Argentina (their 100% cab sauv needs a few years to round off) and their blend is a real cracker.
Yeah I did  :oops:sorry.
Yeah you are right about Parker: he seems to have a fine appreciation of wines dressed as alcho pops. He is however massively influential and the reason I mentioned him was in the context of wine that I have bought at least partially as an investment. Agree with him or not in buying a Parker 100 pointer I made the closest thing to dead cert that you can get with wine buying for investment. (It helps that every other wine critic raved about it as well :))
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 12:25:51 pm
Don't confuse Sloper w/ soapy, Joe.   Two very different animals.  Soaps is a down in the Smoke, he's used to getting his wallet butt-fucked on basic goods . . .  which is a real shame, for him.


I've dined w/ Sloper.  He's a little wizard in the kitchen.  I went shopping w/ him once in Malesherbes nr Font', I bought port, he wine:  it was a taste vinage Borgoyne (sp?) pinot noit for under €6 a bottle and was fabulous (for 4 quid!).  The same bottle is €9 in Hamburg & around 10/12 quid in the UK.  Things are just so much cheaper here in Europe which Fraudini & I love because we can indulge ourselves a little w/ out keelhauling our fairly thin purses.  (The down side is that good port is damn expensive as Germans don't care for it greatly).

I'm flabbergasted that there can be so much difference in price not only betwen the UK and Europe but between shops in Hamburg (which is a fashionable & expensive city to live in).  I've found that pauillac (which I bought for €4.99) for €19 in another shop.  Nuts.  Caveat emptor





   
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 12:51:40 pm
Well, as the saying goes: fuck all you office rats strung-out on gash percolator coffee, I'm going out wine hunting where I shall try to bag an oenological über-bargain.

For me at least, shopping for wine is second only to buying drugs on a dangerous foreign street; all those pretty bottles lined up w/ fine line drawings of chateaus! 

*cock in hand*

 8)

 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: slackline on June 04, 2008, 12:56:53 pm
Vasse Felix from the Margaret River in W Oz and Cassa Weinert in Argentina (their 100% cab sauv needs a few years to round off) and their blend is a real cracker.

Vasse Felix is very nice, went to the vineyard whilst down there. Another nice one I discovered whilst living out there was Marimee from the Happs Vineyard (http://www.happs.com.au/), also in the Margaret River region.

There are tons of vineyards in the Margaret River region (http://www.margaretriver.com/search_resultall.asp), its the main industry of the area.  Theres also a nice crag not far away called Willyabrup and a beautiful limestone crag by the coast with an hours walk-in called Bob's Hollow (pics below, puts the Tor to shame  8) ).  This is about the best climbing there is in Western Australia (well not strictly true as Albany is awesome, but thats another four hours drive from Perth on top of the three and a half it takes to get to Margaret River).  Theres also awesome surfing in the area as well.  I reckon some of the regulars here would like it.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/187/449215762_51f04c7be0_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peiyinlew/449215762/in/pool-climbwa/)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/449215802_b84ac50b99_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peiyinlew/449215802/in/pool-climbwa/)
(Not the best pics, and not my own as I can't find mine at the moment!  Note the gorgeous white sands in the corner, the beach is actually massive).

There are also quite a few nice wines made in the Swan Valley east and inland of Perth.  In spring there is an "event" called Spring in the Valley where all the vineyards celebrate the seasons wines by putting on bar-b-q's and music with cheap wine tasting.  Great fun going round the different vineyards by chauffeur drive coach and getting shit-faced on a Sunday afternoon

Unfortunately being the most isolated city in the world and in the arse end of nowhere very few W. Australia wines get exported, presumably due to the cost of getting it out of the damn place!


Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2008, 12:58:17 pm

For me at least, shopping for wine is second only to buying drugs on a dangerous foreign street;


Just to remind you how lucky you are (lucky bastard)

(http://boulderingvideos.googlepages.com/CIMG2849.JPG)

Avoid this stuff
(http://boulderingvideos.googlepages.com/CIMG2859.JPG)

and don't drink out of any previously opened bottles
(http://boulderingvideos.googlepages.com/CIMG2941.JPG)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Jaspersharpe on June 04, 2008, 01:30:12 pm
Nice day at the office mate?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2008, 01:39:04 pm
Nice day at the office mate?

nah, just popped out to score one of each to take the edge off the shame of selling my arse on the streets

sorry for being  :off:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Jaspersharpe on June 04, 2008, 01:42:01 pm
Business as usual. That's ok then.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on June 04, 2008, 04:16:39 pm
errr Mr Picalli

I think that technically you only own 5.75 bottles of the Yquem as, following the settling of our little bet, I am the proud owner of .25 bottles of the amber nectar.

Yours

A very thick skinned Graeme
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Percy B on June 04, 2008, 04:58:37 pm
Shouldn't you be shouting at septics, Grom?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on June 04, 2008, 05:47:50 pm
Re WA - I second Vasse Felix. Margaret River is also home to the nicest little vineyard I've ever visited - http://hbwines.com.au/ (http://hbwines.com.au/)

Also Xanadu and McHenry Hohnen - I think you can get both of them here with a bit of detective work. I get the latter via Louis Latour.

Re climbing there, I never made it to Bulls Hollow when I was climbing routes. I did go to Willyabrup and shat myself a bit. And Wallcliffe.

Last time I was there I spent a morning bouldering here http://www.climberswa.asn.au/climbwa/miniguides/whaleback%20mini%20guide.pdf (http://www.climberswa.asn.au/climbwa/miniguides/whaleback%20mini%20guide.pdf) before trotting off to a wedding in the evening. I took a wrong turn after dumping my non 4x4 and ended up at one of the many awesome surfing beaches. When I did eventually arrive at the right place it was good fun - it looks better than it does in those photos.


Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2008, 06:07:02 pm
When are you hosting the tasting?
In about 5 year's time and it will be me and my current friends (I will have gone out of my way to be a total bastard to everyone I know for months beforehand).

errr Mr Picalli

I think that technically you only own 5.75 bottles of the Yquem as, following the settling of our little bet, I am the proud owner of .25 bottles of the amber nectar.

Yours

A very thick skinned Graeme

I would like some clarification here, Joe

When the great day of tasting occurs and if Graeme has managed to become/stay/worm-his-way-to-being a "current friend" at that time; will Graeme simply drink 0.25 bottles more than every one else (including you) or will he drink 0.25 bottles more than the other "current friends" or will he be drinking only the 0.25 bottle that he thinks is his or will you be including the 0.25 bottle as part of his share or do intend to "forget" to tell him when the tasting is so the problem will go away?

I ask only because, following my rereading of Aristotle, I am currently weighing up the cost/benefit balance of my personal relationships over the next 5 to 7 years and am trying to work out whether driving a wedge between the two of you is going to be worth the (admittedly small) effort. Obviously I haven't ironed out the details of how to get you to like me a lot, but I am sure we can find some common ground to our mutual satisfaction.

Yours Greekily

Lagers

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 06:44:17 pm
Sorry to bring this thread crashing down once more, but todays quest to find what appears to be the best wine for under five euro resulted in this.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wines-2.jpg)

Weighing in at €4.99 / 3.94.  Damn that weak pound and strong euro.  This would be 3 quid a few months back.

Anyone drunk this?  8.50 in UK so I think my bargain hunt was OK.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 04, 2008, 07:44:56 pm
errr Mr Picalli

I think that technically you only own 5.75 bottles of the Yquem as, following the settling of our little bet, I am the proud owner of .25 bottles of the amber nectar.

Yours

A very thick skinned Graeme
Ahhh, Mr Alderson: one of the great pleasures of the internet is the ability to get some small recompense for having to part with a 1/4 of a bottle of Fosters' (this surely is what you mean by amber nectar?) because you tricked me into making a bet by feeding me bottle after bottle of fine wine. I now announce to the world that you sir are a blighter. :'(
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 04, 2008, 07:55:08 pm
When are you hosting the tasting?
In about 5 year's time and it will be me and my current friends (I will have gone out of my way to be a total bastard to everyone I know for months beforehand).

errr Mr Picalli

I think that technically you only own 5.75 bottles of the Yquem as, following the settling of our little bet, I am the proud owner of .25 bottles of the amber nectar.

Yours

A very thick skinned Graeme

I would like some clarification here, Joe

When the great day of tasting occurs and if Graeme has managed to become/stay/worm-his-way-to-being a "current friend" at that time; will Graeme simply drink 0.25 bottles more than every one else (including you) or will he drink 0.25 bottles more than the other "current friends" or will he be drinking only the 0.25 bottle that he thinks is his or will you be including the 0.25 bottle as part of his share or do intend to "forget" to tell him when the tasting is so the problem will go away?

I ask only because, following my rereading of Aristotle, I am currently weighing up the cost/benefit balance of my personal relationships over the next 5 to 7 years and am trying to work out whether driving a wedge between the two of you is going to be worth the (admittedly small) effort. Obviously I haven't ironed out the details of how to get you to like me a lot, but I am sure we can find some common ground to our mutual satisfaction.

Yours Greekily

Lagers


It will work like this, there will be no friends (I have my Y'quem nothing more is needed). The Alderson (who, obviously, now falls into the category of "someone I met once" (nobody gets a 1/4 bottle of Australia's finest out of me and remains a friend... oh no!) will sit opposite me in silence while the drinking occurs. He will then leave and I will continue to commune with my precious alone, Oh Yesssss.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2008, 08:09:04 pm
The Alderson ...... in silence while the drinking occurs

Yeah, right :lol: :alky: :lol: :alky:

In fact
The Alderson ...... in silence
seems unlikely

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 08:31:53 pm
It's great.  Thread's seeing some action.  Erm . . .   The Grand Village 04 is nice, but not as nice as the Graves 01 at the same price so I think I might be drinking Graves from now on. 

Surprised at how well it went w/ our food which was meat-free.  Potato/carrot gratin cooked in a single cream & vegetable stock mix w/ lots of fresh sage/oregano/thyme/rosemary/garlic.  It was the herbs that matched, I think.

Moroccan wine?  I saw some today at a keen price, I'll pick up a bottle tomorrow.  Any experience?

Plus - what's the next step up in Bordeaux?  Recommendations please.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 04, 2008, 08:32:55 pm
The Alderson ...... in silence while the drinking occurs

Yeah, right :lol: :alky: :lol: :alky:
Ngornig yuo'er baesless accsuations as to my sorietby... ure m'best mate u r I fuckin' love you.
(See how easy it was to worm your way into an Y'quem tasting?)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 04, 2008, 08:41:27 pm
It's great.  Thread's seeing some action.  Erm . . .   The Grand Village 04 is nice, but not as nice as the Graves 01 at the same price so I think I might be drinking Graves from now on. 

Surprised at how well it went w/ our food which was meat-free.  Potato/carrot gratin cooked in a single cream & vegetable stock mix w/ lots of fresh sage/oregano/thyme/rosemary/garlic.  It was the herbs that matched, I think.

Moroccan wine?  I saw some today at a keen price, I'll pick up a bottle tomorrow.  Any experience?

Plus - what's the next step up in Bordeaux?  Recommendations please.
Its kind of hard to answer this 'cos you seem to be be buying good, solid Bordeaux at very reasonable prices. You've kind of stepped up without trying.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2008, 08:44:27 pm
The Alderson ...... in silence while the drinking occurs

Yeah, right :lol: :alky: :lol: :alky:
Ngornig yuo'er baesless accsuations as to my sorietby... ure m'best mate u r I fuckin' love you.
(See how easy it was to worm your way into an Y'quem tasting?)


ascusashuns? urrarre as sssssssssbbber as a juggedge ann way moor cleeverr n thatye aoure.
"I love you more than you love me" yaaaaou kantian iddealisssst, you. eeeeeeeeyaye am the whey tha trut and da lite - folo me annnd heven will b yorn.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2008, 08:50:26 pm
Back on topic, guys,

I shall be in Font for a week from 21 June. I am interested in conducting a wine/money/cooking/enjoyment/circuits experiment. All proposed schedules will be taken into consideration.

Actually, the circuits can take a back seat for the benefit of SCIENCE.

as long as at least one circuit is done per day  :thumbsup:  :bounce:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 08:58:50 pm
Don't forget Sloper's Tip the Taste Vinage wines, memorise the logo

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wineandfish006.jpg)

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2008, 09:06:14 pm
I'm thinking along the lines of a video/photo diary so I don't have to rely on my own memory to remember the labels. I probably won't have internet access whilst there, so need the plan agreed/recommended/suggested before I go.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 09:09:32 pm
Video diary is a great idea.  You must visit the Malesherbes Wednesday AM market and buy your fruit/fromage/fowl/fish/frog's legs there. 

Top notch produce.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2008, 09:13:08 pm
Video diary is a great idea.  You must visit the Malesherbes Wednesday AM market and buy your fruit/fromage/fowl/fish there. 

Top notch produce.

Should I start a separate thread for my "Ultimate Enjoment Plan"?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 04, 2008, 09:17:41 pm
Don't forget Sloper's Tip the Taste Vinage wines, memorise the logo

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/houdini2/wineandfish006.jpg)


Not seen or heard of this in UK can we get it (I'm assuming yes as you quote sloper). Do you have a where and a price?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 09:28:34 pm
Background

http://www.tastevin-bourgogne.com

Introduced by Sloper in Font.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 09:30:36 pm
Should I start a separate thread for my "Ultimate Enjoyment Plan"?

Yes.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Cookie on June 04, 2008, 09:37:28 pm
I seem to remember reading that 2000 was the Holy Grail year for Bordeaux (or in fact most central French reds), and if you can get your hands on a case or twelve, you should do so before the prices go even higher.  

Of the 2005 Bordeaux which has been released, the reviews say it's a close second to 2000.  Buy that while it's still cheap, there are currently some good deals to be had.

Being a French wine geek who buys releases from the same two chateaux each year (one extremely well known and one less so, in case you were wondering), I'd go so far as to say that 2003 is perfectly acceptable, but 2002 and 2004 aren't worth the bother.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 04, 2008, 09:43:18 pm
FAO Joe  RE  ~ T/Vinage Pinot (http://www.nectarwineclub.com/article.aspx?product_code=39622)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2008, 09:49:07 pm
Should I start a separate thread for my "Ultimate Enjoyment Plan"?

Yes.

good call (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,9329.msg150650.html#new)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 04, 2008, 10:31:05 pm
FAO Joe  RE  ~ T/Vinage Pinot (http://www.nectarwineclub.com/article.aspx?product_code=39622)
Thanks.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on June 05, 2008, 06:18:09 am
To kill 2 birds with one stone.

Percy - septic shouting starts in earnest tomorrow, Gaz has checked out iso, it's as big as our hold store.

Joe -  to insinuate that I tricked you into making a bet after a mere 2 bottles each makes you sound like a shandy drinking southern - if you are indeed trying to claim that I acted in a caddish manner then I have no option but to call you a woolly back and a geordie
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 05, 2008, 07:15:38 pm
Right some help required from the combined wine snob element- Bottle of  Alain Michelot '98 Nuits St. George (unfortunately not premier cru otherwise I'd know to keep). Mr Johnson says they're drinking but, he and every one else says it was a bloody complicated vintage and everything from trash to very good got made. Now Michelot is a good producer so I hope for good things, but, can anyone give me some solid (pref. from having drunk some) info?
Yours in hope
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on June 05, 2008, 07:19:29 pm
No idea, why not crack open a bot. and give us your views?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 05, 2008, 07:24:28 pm
There's only the one bottle, picked up on spec. at a stupid (almost Houdiniesque (have I invented a new adjective?)) price
so I'm trying to chase down some solid beta.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on June 05, 2008, 08:54:56 pm
nope, soz, but here's some nsg'98 cellar notes (http://www.bbr.com/list-pdf.lml?pg=1&pdf_option=prod&file=bbr-wine-list.pdf)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on June 10, 2008, 01:44:29 pm
Here at Chez hOU's we've renounced the evils of alcohol for a full week w/ the idea to spend what is saved on a particularly nice bottle from a fantastic micro Italian-only shop recently discovered: posh olive oil, coffee beans and an excellent selection of wines crammed into one small room.

Obviously, the DT's are murdering us so it's badminton every evening to distract ourselves . . . 

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 10, 2008, 11:06:47 pm
Oh forgot to post the results of the Nuits de St George '98. Pleasant, which damns with faint praise, the fruit was on the wane and there were not enough deeper flavours to compensate, the colour was good, even, going to a brick red at the rim, and there were hints of strawberries while smelling faded roses; the earth thing that old burgundy does: but it was all sort of waving from a distance. Oh well!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on June 11, 2008, 12:10:13 pm
It seems it was what I would describe as a 'graveyard' ie. plenty of faded floral arrangements but that it plays on your memory rather than the present.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on June 29, 2008, 11:03:54 pm
'07 en premier. I've done most of my buying but anyone got a personal knowledge of cheapish (£140-220 a case) fillers-in  which punch above the vintage's weight?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on June 30, 2008, 09:38:26 am
not en primeur but, pierre-andre dumas (http://www.pierre-andre-dumas.com/index.php) did a 2006 lovely example of both brouilly and beaujolais villages - mouthwatering cranberry and damson notes with a light hint of the characteristic mineral and earth of burgundy; perfect summer drinking
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on July 09, 2008, 05:14:51 pm
Blase I know but I've been shopping in Tesco's the last few weeks for wine.  6 bottles gets 25% off which hasn't been ignored.

Best of the crop have been an Argentinian Shiraz (tesco's finest) at a hefty 14.5%  £8 ish (but snaffled at half price, naturally) and well, nothing, oh some Cote du Rhone's which were a first for me, lovely body, must drink more.

Biggest disappointment from the countless bottles supped was a Chilean Pinot which I swear was Shiraz it was so powerful and meaty.  It was offensively strong and disorrientating to try and pindown on the palette; took half a bottle before it tasted like pinot . . .   Think I'll stick to French and German in future.

Found a nice Syrah @ £13 in tescos too which was nice but frankly £5 overpriced and once more I'm bothered by the whole price/taste equation.  Sorry about the vaguenesh . . .   Comes w/ the turf . . .
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on July 12, 2008, 11:49:15 am
The Chilean pinot was Los Fresnos vineyard 07.   £8 :thumbsdown:

The French syrah was Saint Joseph 05  £6 (< from £13) :thumbsdown:

The ace Cote du Rhone was La Chasse de/du Pape (sp?) Reserve 07, which I finished last night and was just great and I think really cheap, around £6, kinda turbid.

Any recommendations for Cote du Rhone wines appreciated, and 100% syrahs.

Had another cheap and cheerful surprise recently:  Tagus Creek (Portugal) Shiraz and Trincadeira 06.  £5ish, halfway house between French and New World style shiraz, never had trincadeira before - took the edge and fruit off the shiraz well.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Jaspersharpe on July 23, 2008, 08:58:26 am
I agree Houd. That Chasse du Pape is nice, and cheap. I agree with this reviewer........

http://www.ciao.co.uk/La_Chasse_du_Pape_Cotes_du_Rhone_rouge_Reserve__Review_5465959 (http://www.ciao.co.uk/La_Chasse_du_Pape_Cotes_du_Rhone_rouge_Reserve__Review_5465959)

For those of us who like a glass of wine or six this article is quite interesting. Not surprising but interesting, especially at a time where the government are spending more and more money and effort trying to scare us into drinking less............

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article2698024.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article2698024.ece)

.........it turns out the figures that they rely on are total nonsense. Cunts.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 23, 2008, 09:21:18 am

.........it turns out the figures that they rely on are total nonsense.

I'll let you know when the results of my alcohol damage review are ready. This will be based on a representative sample of regular drinkers from The Vine, The Broadfield and the pavements on London Road, The Moor and Castle Market - real SCIENCE.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on August 09, 2008, 12:20:07 pm
Totally into this (http://www.tesco.com/winestore/controller.aspx?Bc=0&R=8939456) Cote du Rhone at the moment.  Found it reduced to £6 in Tescos.

Thought it was great w/ plenty of woodiness (a taste I'm warming to lots), actually it reminded me of a Taste Vinage oaked pinot I had earlier in the year.  Odd.



Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on October 05, 2008, 12:20:03 pm
FAO wino's in the Brum zone, Connolley's the fine independant has a sale on next Friday and Saturday.  It's a great little shop.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on October 12, 2008, 11:28:16 am
I don't know much about wine, but I know what I like. This was forced upon me on Friday night by some chap claiming to be Joe Picalli.

(http://jknujknu.googlepages.com/CIMG3020.JPG)

very nice
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on October 12, 2008, 01:27:04 pm
I don't know much about wine, but I know what I like. This was forced upon me on Friday night by some chap claiming to be Joe Picalli.

(http://jknujknu.googlepages.com/CIMG3020.JPG)

very nice
In return for which I received two blindingly delicious  hot smoked trout caught by lagers own fair hand and smoked in his back garden.
Come the collapse of civilization(scheduled for some time in mid November currently) he will be very well placed to come through it on a diet of delicious river fish.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Eros Poli on October 14, 2008, 02:03:17 pm

Any recommendations for Cote du Rhone wines appreciated, and 100% syrahs.



Vaqueyras and Gigondas - Cotes du Rhone Grand Crus. The only thing that seperates these vinyards from Chateauneauf du Pape is the A7 Autoroute. Oh yes and about 5 quid a bottle in price.
Much cheaper and just as good in the same area is Cairanne.
However the best kept Cotes du Rhone secret is Rasteau which is going to be promoted to Grand Cru sometime in the next few years so grab some while you can as prices are still cheap. It will shoot up in price after the promotion.

Cheers

Eros
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on October 14, 2008, 03:30:14 pm
I didn't think that the Rhone has a Cru classification in the same form as Claret or Burgundy, have I missed something here?

I do however agree about Rasteau, a fine commune; but when it comes to Ch-n-de-P there's a difference between the top flight and the dross sold in Tesco.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: shark on October 14, 2008, 04:26:24 pm
Madiran Reserve des Tuguets on offer again at Tesco at about £5.99.

 :beer2: :Fine enough for me.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: slackline on October 14, 2008, 05:36:56 pm
This was a parcticularly nice Vacqueyras I discovered in Moret sur Loing at €11 a bottle (was €5-6 in Carrefoure).  They stock it in the refurbished Nottingham House now I noticed the other day too.

(http://slack.ser.man.ac.uk/files/wine/vacqueyras.jpg)(http://slack.ser.man.ac.uk/files/wine/vacqueyras2.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on October 14, 2008, 05:59:21 pm
I didn't think that the Rhone has a Cru classification in the same form as Claret or Burgundy, have I missed something here?

Nope you are of course correct. The Rhone just has the standard classification ie AC is the highest.

All the various Cotes du Rhone Villages that have AC status are decent with some being very good. Can't beat a good Hermitage though
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Eros Poli on October 14, 2008, 06:04:04 pm
I didn't think that the Rhone has a Cru classification in the same form as Claret or Burgundy, have I missed something here?

I do however agree about Rasteau, a fine commune; but when it comes to Ch-n-de-P there's a difference between the top flight and the dross sold in Tesco.

There's a few Crus now. St Joseph, Hermitage, Beaumes de Venise, Vinsobres, Gigondas, Vaqueyras, Tavel (rosé), Cote Rotie, C-d-P, I think I've missed a few but can't think of the top of my head - Rasteau is next.

There's 16 Cotes du Rhone Villages too. About 18 if I recall - i used to be able to remember them when there were 16.

I think the C-d-P in Tesco has aplastic cork and is bottled at the big plant near Tullette.

Ciao

Eros
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on October 14, 2008, 06:11:26 pm
There's a few Crus now. St Joseph, Hermitage, Beaumes de Venise, Vinsobres, Gigondas, Vaqueyras, Tavel (rosé), Cote Rotie, C-d-P, I think I've missed a few but can't think of the top of my head - Rasteau is next.

There's 16 Cotes du Rhone Villages too. About 18 if I recall - i used to be able to remember them when there were 16.

They are not Crus, they are Appelation Controlees and Rasteau and all of the other Cotes du Rhone Villages where the village is named (eg Vinsorbes, Laundun (sp?)) are already AC's.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Eros Poli on October 14, 2008, 06:26:01 pm
There's a few Crus now. St Joseph, Hermitage, Beaumes de Venise, Vinsobres, Gigondas, Vaqueyras, Tavel (rosé), Cote Rotie, C-d-P, I think I've missed a few but can't think of the top of my head - Rasteau is next.

There's 16 Cotes du Rhone Villages too. About 18 if I recall - i used to be able to remember them when there were 16.

They are not Crus, they are Appelation Controlees and Rasteau and all of the other Cotes du Rhone Villages where the village is named (eg Vinsorbes, Laundun (sp?)) are already AC's.

The 16/18 "Cotes du Rhone Villages" are seperate. The crus don't even have to put "Cotes du Rhone" on the lable.


Eros
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on October 14, 2008, 06:53:07 pm
They are not crus. They are AC's!!

There are 95 villages eligible to use the Cotes du Rhone Village appellation and the best 20 of them have the right to append the name of the village. These 20 super villages include the likes of of Rateau, Carainne, Beaumes de Venise, Seguret, Laudun and Sablet. But they are Cotes du Rhone Villages.

 :alky:

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Eros Poli on October 14, 2008, 08:37:57 pm
They are not crus. They are AC's!!

There are 95 villages eligible to use the Cotes du Rhone Village appellation and the best 20 of them have the right to append the name of the village. These 20 super villages include the likes of of Rateau, Carainne, Beaumes de Venise, Seguret, Laudun and Sablet. But they are Cotes du Rhone Villages.

 :alky:



I think we are getting our wires crossed. Probably down to how we define Appellation d’origine contrôlée  and Cru etc etc.
However At my friend's vinyard in August, just after the Rasteau Nuit du Vin, I went round to purchse a few bottles and he was so excited about the fact that Rasteau was to be promoted to Cru status (putting it up there with Gigondas, Chateauneauf du Pape, Hermitage etc)
But what does he know? He's French and his vinyard has been in his family for a few hundred years. I'll tell him what you have said so he can change all his publicity and literature. I'll also mention what you've said to the publishers of the Guide Inte-Rhone des Vignobles so they can re-word pages 5 - 8.

PS there are 95 communes not villages. Big difference.

Eros
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: nik at work on October 14, 2008, 08:51:36 pm
Heated debate about wine classification on a bouldering forum. And people try and say climbing isn't middle class...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on October 14, 2008, 09:00:38 pm
And I will tell Hugh Johnson and Jancis Robinson so they can change their World Atlas of Wine and Hugh can change his Pocket Wine Book. And I will tell the Wine Society that all of the wine that they have been selling me for years is not a Cotes du Rhone Village (see http://www.thewinesociety.com/shop/search.aspx?pageNumber=0&pageSize=9999&type=&grape=&vintage=&orderby=&keyword=rhone&wineType=&appellation=&grapeType=&priceRange=&sweetness=&country=&region=%20&match=&searchType=simple&advancedKeyword=rhone (http://www.thewinesociety.com/shop/search.aspx?pageNumber=0&pageSize=9999&type=&grape=&vintage=&orderby=&keyword=rhone&wineType=&appellation=&grapeType=&priceRange=&sweetness=&country=&region=%20&match=&searchType=simple&advancedKeyword=rhone)  for example).

I humbly suggest that your mate might have been using a local term that is not formally recognised. And that he was probably pissed  :alky:

They do concede that both Rasteau and Cairanne have their own AC status but they only apply to the Vin Doux Natural.

And the Cru Classe system does not operate in the Rhone. It is only used in Bordeaux, Burgundy and to a lesser degree Alsace.

Ps communes not villages - sloppy on my part  ;)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Eros Poli on October 14, 2008, 09:23:34 pm
First I must apologise - i'm a bit behind with this, it was August since I last spoke to someone in the know. Rasteau is indeed now a Cru.

But just out of interest what do your non French wine guidebooks class the following Cotes du Rhone wines as:

Chateau Grillet
Cote Rotie
Condrieu
Cornas
Crozes Hermitage
Hermitage
St Joseph
C-d-P
Gigondas
Lirac
Tavel
Vaqueyras
Beaumes de Venise ??

Eros


Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on October 14, 2008, 09:30:56 pm
Couldn't be bothered looking at the books so nipped down to my cellar

My bottle of Ch Beaucastel Blanc 1995 claims it is Appellation CDP Controlee. It does not mention Cru. I wonder why?

My bottle of Chave Hermitage Blanc 1998 claims it is Appellation Hermitage Controlee. Again no mention of Cru. Again I wonder why?

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on October 14, 2008, 09:32:13 pm
Oh and by the way Cotes du Rhone is a sub region of Rhone so most of the AC's that you mentioned aren't Cotes du Rhone.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Eros Poli on October 14, 2008, 10:00:11 pm
Ok I concede. definately wires crossed.

Les Crus des Cotes du Rhone:
Ils sonont au nombre de quinze avec du nord au sud: Chateau Grillet, Cote Rotie, Condrieu, Cornas, Crozes Hermitage, Hermitage, Sainte - Joseph et Seinte Peray dans la partie septentrionale: Chateauneauf de Pape, Gigondas, Lirac, Tavel et Vaqueyras dans la partie meridionale. Sans oublier les vins doux de Beaumes de Venise.

Crus
At the most demanding level of distinction, a total of 15 crus are allowed to be recognised by their village name without requiring the mention of Côtes du Rhône on the label. With the unique exception of Château-Grillet, a white septentrienal within the AOC Condrieu, a feature of the nomenclature of CDR wines is that at the top level they are named only after their villages, and not after châteaux as is usual for Bordeaux wines. Tavel is a rosé only, very light and dry, which is usually drunk chilled, and can be enjoyed at anytime of the day. Beaumes de Venise AOC, Château-Grillet AOC, Châteauneuf-du-Pape AOC, Condrieu AOC Cornas AOC, Côte-Rôtie AOC, Crozes-Hermitage AOC, Gigondas AOC, Hermitage AOC, Lirac AOC, Saint Joseph AOC, Saint Péray AOC, Tavel AOC, Vacqueyras AOC, Vinsobres AOC,

Ciao

Eros



Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on October 14, 2008, 10:28:27 pm
Why not accept that you're wrong and more over are dealing with some well marinated people who know one end of the 1855 classification from the right bank grand crus?

PS Nik, just imagine if this discussion was taking place on a forum populated by members of the Alpine Club; they'd probably have their butler posting for them.

let me know when Mrs Nik is about and you're up for a dinner in derbyshire.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: nik at work on October 14, 2008, 10:48:57 pm
Will do.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Eros Poli on October 15, 2008, 07:23:40 am
Why not accept that you're wrong and more over are dealing with some well marinated people who know one end of the 1855 classification from the right bank grand crus?



Ok - i've given up. Is it just the word "Cru" that they have got wrong then?
Eros
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: steveo on October 15, 2008, 10:27:25 am
Sorry if this has already been posted but did anyone else see the Dispatches programme 'What's In Your Wine ?' .. quite shocking, really - sulphites, gelatine, tannins and in extreme cases hydrochloric & sulphuric acid - not to mention copious amounts of sugar and grape flavourings. It's here for the next 12 hours http://www.channel4.com/video/dispatches-whats-in-your-wine/catchup.html (http://www.channel4.com/video/dispatches-whats-in-your-wine/catchup.html)
 :pissed: Cheers !
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: slackline on October 15, 2008, 10:34:41 am
Not sure if its the same program, but I caught a bit about many of the champagne vine-yeards being littered in litter, quite litterally.  Apparently after WWII it was felt that throwing detritous from the cities would help fertilise the vines, and no one has bothered to clear the shit up.  Broken razors, watches, all sorts of shit between the vines  :o
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Eros Poli on October 15, 2008, 10:44:45 am
Not sure if its the same program, but I caught a bit about many of the champagne vine-yeards being littered in litter, quite litterally.  Apparently after WWII it was felt that throwing detritous from the cities would help fertilise the vines, and no one has bothered to clear the shit up.  Broken razors, watches, all sorts of shit between the vines  :o

It always makes me wonder when I see how close the Chateauneauf du Pape vinyards are to the A7 autoroute - some are as close as 10m. The place is a carpark in July and August and the pollution can be horrendous.

Eros
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: steveo on October 15, 2008, 12:46:07 pm
Slackline, yes it is that programme, i love wine but have a limited budget, it makes me wonder what i've been pouring down my neck all these years... i mean gelatine in wine , what the f**ks that all about, i wonder how many vegetarians are aware of that, i wasn't (not that i'm a vege)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on October 15, 2008, 01:29:39 pm
Quote
Madiran Reserve des Tuguets on offer again at Tesco at about £5.99. Fine enough for me.


me too :)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on October 15, 2008, 01:49:57 pm
I do love a  good madiran and will be buying a case this evening, incidentally Soapy have you taken advantage of the 'un-named' Pauillac offered by the wine society?

My guess is that it is just shy of les forts, time will tell
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Eros Poli on October 15, 2008, 08:59:32 pm
Mmmmmm this CLOS DES ECHALAS 2004 Vinsobres is nice. Cru status too. Bit pricey though at 23€

Eros
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on October 15, 2008, 11:34:56 pm
Nice troll  :alky:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on October 16, 2008, 08:58:47 pm
now the leaves are dropping and smoky autumnalness is creeping in, it's time to get into the reds


warming reds drinking now:

bellingham merlot malbec 2005, on offer at tesco

peter lehmann cabernet sauvignon 'my word is my bond' 2005, hercules wines

agricola gamba valpolicella del' amarone le quare 2003, the french pantry



Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on October 17, 2008, 05:00:04 pm
Tried the Tesco Madiran, it was OK.  Never again shopping in Tesco's for wine if I have the option to go elsewhere, mind.  Such dull wines on offer under a tenner.

Actually I'm abstaining from the vino in an effort to lose the muffin-top, but before said decision was made most verily did I quaff eleventy bottles of Douro Tuella 04, which is about as close to port as one can get w/ out it being port.  A real heavy hitter.

As for 100% cab/sauv, yet to find one drinkable; too edge-y for me.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on October 17, 2008, 07:06:51 pm
Speaking of brooding autumnal wines I'd recommend the 2003 Le Soula, v-d-p des cotes catalanes, not your average v-d-p but a Gerard Gauby special.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on October 18, 2008, 10:02:48 am
This, like the recipe thread, should be moved to Culture.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on October 19, 2008, 08:00:46 pm
I tried something a little different last night...

And after I extracted myself from the toaster I opened a bottle of Ch Boucasse 2002, Vielle Vignes, Madiran. A pokey dark little number, apparently they put a lot of manure and stuff around the vines. Nice.  Tannat grape, which like the toaster experiment was a first for me.  Interesting.

I picked it up at Fortnums for about £15 (along with a lovely Puligny, mmmmmmm) so in a normal shop it might turn out to be a bit of a bargain...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on October 23, 2008, 06:27:39 pm
. . . the muffin-top . . .

I'm comfortable w/ the muffin top.

Hence, keeping it summery w/ Chateau de Pizay, Beaujolais, 2005 (dreadfully moreish).   :alky:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on October 23, 2008, 07:41:57 pm

Any recommendations for Cote du Rhone wines appreciated, and 100% syrahs.



Vaqueyras and Gigondas - Cotes du Rhone Grand Crus. The only thing that seperates these vinyards from Chateauneauf du Pape is the A7 Autoroute. Oh yes and about 5 quid a bottle in price.

Cheers

Eros
Vaqueyras and Gigondas are very different beasts from Chateauneauf. The Chateauneauf AOC allows up to 13 different grape types in its blend, and while Chateauneaufs  are mainly Grenache and Syrah the other grapes are seldom insignificant in their addition to the final flavour of the wine.
Oh and please loose the Cru terminology for rhone wines, its embarrassing.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 04, 2008, 04:48:11 pm
Excited: V12 Rob and I will sample our first Barolo tonite.   :)


Probably won't do it justice in the food dept., mind:  pasta, pesto, capers, parmesan, olives, lots of fresh herbs & assorted trimmings.   But fuck it - the other contractor scum who share the kitchen will almost certainly have KFC - so fuck it.   8)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on November 04, 2008, 05:03:20 pm
I hope you enjoy it!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 05, 2008, 04:05:33 pm
That we did.

But the food was inappropriate.  As was the rudeness of an itinerant Portugese worker at our table who dared to question the  quality of the port we had for dessert... Fucker had KFC twice in a row too!  :furious:

Nevertheless, what a great grape and what a fine wine.  I could see how some might not enjoy its oaky punch.



Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on November 09, 2008, 07:44:23 pm
For a good 100% cab sauv try cassa weinert with about 7 years on it. 

PS are you back in the country, if so let me know when you're over the peak way for a session.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 10, 2008, 10:55:27 am
Back in Wales.  But who knows for how long?


Cheers for the Cab/Sauv tip, I recall it from your OP.  I missed out on meeting Ms Weinert at a recent tasting at Connolley's in Birmingham.  I did manage to find a nice 100% CS, ah, Corsican I recall; surprisingly smooth.  A Decanter bronze medalist.

Oddbins.  They've changed management recently and are currently flogging off plenty of old stock at keen prices.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 11, 2008, 04:33:40 pm
Had a bottle of M & S Ripassa Valpolicella last night.  I thought is was one of the nicest wines I've ever drunk.

Ah ... 'Bout a week back I was wandering through a rough Birmingham estate and happened upon a proper shithole booze shop; called Sanjit's Wines or something like that.  I go in and it's stacked w/ quality:  ports from the early 60's etc.. ([proudly] We've been here 47 years! ~ Sanjit.)

Place was a real treasure trove of wines; mostly around the £6 mark to satisfy the local poverty-striken chav/scum, but they had many a wine over £40.  Odd place.  Down in a dusty corner there was a stack of fairly old half bottles.  I picked up a 1974 half bottle of Ch.N du Pape: it looked like shit.  Or at least vinegar. The lead was intact, tight; it had obviously been stored on it's end/side and at one time, maybe even upside down... Plenty of crusty bits in the bottom.

Sold as seen:  £9.  Sanjit looked made up for me ...   ::)

The corkscrew rips out first pull, so I decant the entire bottle (after poking the mushy plug through the neck) through an improvised funnel made from a a styrofoam bowl and an andrex filter.

V12 Rob and I tasted it gingerly.  It was all right!  The colour was a weird, muted horse-chestnut, and it tasted rather strong.  Not much fruit but still, really tasty.

And that was my first taste of old wine.  How we laughed.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: shark on November 11, 2008, 09:24:49 pm
The Valpolicella Ripassa I had from M&S last year tasted of Cherry water - yuck. Glad your's was a good one.

On the subject of supermarket Italians my 'fine enough' recommendation is Morrisons 'Trezanti Salento' reduced to £3.99 - featuring Negroamaro. Good without food. Fruity to the point of being sweet but not jammy. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on November 11, 2008, 11:43:16 pm
Back from a session on industrial lager, ho hum, anyway half bottles age far faster than larger bottles so be careful out there esp. with the 2000 vintage there's some dross being pushed at the moment at what seems like bargain prices: you have been warned.

On a slight tangent I head a very enjoyable week sampling arjento reds in Portugal, more sloshed ramblings will follow in the same vein. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 12, 2008, 11:24:33 am
Nice.

Portugese wine is fantastically under-rated.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 23, 2008, 04:58:20 pm
Made the mistake of entering a fine wine shop today w/ only €20 in my pocket . . .  Came out w/ a Chilean (shut it!) C/Sauv called Equus 15.1% that tastes surprisingly OK considering it's rocket fuel.

I found some nice looking Swiss (!) pinot t'other day that looked great.  Anyone have any knowledge about Swiss wine?  I figure it'd be similar to Austrian (which I like) apparently it has one of the sternest quality control regimes in the winemaking world (probably changes made after its industry suffered a certain anti-freeze incident some years ago).  Austrian wine seems to be held in quite high regard in Germany. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on November 24, 2008, 09:15:21 am
Heads up on Tesco off-loading some not bad Saturnes at Half -price (£11.19 a half bottle down from £24.99). Its a 2002 Chateau Suduiraut, and its drinking now. Its only in some of the larger tescos now and is a sticky to impress.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on November 24, 2008, 03:03:19 pm
A bottling by Suduitatt is available at Berry Bros for £9.95 for the 2004 http://www.bbr.com/producer-47-chateau-suduiraut (http://www.bbr.com/producer-47-chateau-suduiraut)  but thanks for the tip rather short on the stickies and off to get some, is it available in sheffield?

One good tip deserves another: ch des tours, sainte croix du mont is a fine bargain sticky
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on November 24, 2008, 07:09:10 pm
Made the mistake of entering a fine wine shop today w/ only €20 in my pocket . . .  Came out w/ a Chilean (shut it!) C/Sauv called Equus 15.1% that tastes surprisingly OK considering it's rocket fuel.

I found some nice looking Swiss (!) pinot t'other day that looked great.  Anyone have any knowledge about Swiss wine?  I figure it'd be similar to Austrian (which I like) apparently it has one of the sternest quality control regimes in the winemaking world (probably changes made after its industry suffered a certain anti-freeze incident some years ago).  Austrian wine seems to be held in quite high regard in Germany. 
Northern (read Alto Adige) Italian Pinots are similar to but cheaper than Swiss. I like them, I find a slight "smokiness" in them which is attractive with winter comfort foods.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 24, 2008, 09:13:01 pm
We're filling gaps in our Italian knowledge the now - good Montepulciano being a recent favourite - I love this wine.  In fact, I'm flabbergasted why Joe pooh-poohs Italian, he obviously drinks Italian.

I picked up a bottle of C. de Seguin in duty-free recently, it'll be the last Bordeaux I'll try for a while:  I'm sick of merlot & c/sauv'.  It was opened after the Montepulciano died, ha ha.

Full steam ahead on German, Portuguese and Italian for the foreseeable future.

I expect to see full reviews of all your Xmas wines by New Year  :)

As for sticky whites  ::)  I don't know who you stomach it.  It's port season! 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on November 25, 2008, 10:10:39 am
In fact, I'm flabbergasted why Joe pooh-poohs Italian, he obviously drinks Italian.
I certainly don't pooh-pooh Italian wines Houd. With a name like Picalli I'd be spanked at the Italian border for doing so. In fact I am a huge fan of Piedmontese wines and have just returned from Turin where many were drunk. I would recommend you getting your hands on some Dolcetto  d'Alba and any Nebbiolo you can get your hands on. At the expensive end of the market go for Amarone della Vallpollicello a dry wine made from air dried grapes.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on November 27, 2008, 04:40:29 pm
Just in case anyone else is after the bargain sauternes at Tesco I was told only the glossop shop had it (I could be wrong about this).

Anyway to save you the drive over the snake they don't, I've bought it all.  So if you want some let me know and it's yours for cost + £1 

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on November 27, 2008, 05:04:12 pm
Me and Joe were going to get another 6 bottles each, so at least you have saved me the hassle of calling in when I drive past tomorrow.

I am sure we can come to some deal regarding this extra quid per bottle ;) Cappuccino sir?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on November 27, 2008, 06:43:23 pm
Capuccino is coffee for people who don't drink coffee, but yes we can come to an arrangement.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Fiend on November 27, 2008, 06:47:59 pm
Cheer for the phone call El Slopino - didn't get back to you cos I don't drink much wine, well except when other people have it (someone fed me a good Portugese the other night, no idea what it was but it was pretty nice).

P.S. I do drink cappucino. With plenty of froth, preferably.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on November 27, 2008, 06:53:49 pm
Fiend, you froth, never. :thumbsdown:

Did the Porotugese taste like chicken or pork?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 27, 2008, 07:03:17 pm
It's 8pm and I'm just about to nip out for cheese.

Anyone care to riff on the subject of appropriate cheeses to be eaten w/ wine?  Obviously, I can have any cheese I want except english cheddar . . .  Which thankfully is in short supply here.

Of the harder cheeses I'm fond of swiss Appenzeller.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on November 27, 2008, 07:12:19 pm
Vacherin mont D'Or, a good comte, tomme de chevre, banyon, bleau des causse.

By the way a real cheddar (i.e. unpasturised and 2 years old is a fine cheese up there with the best)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on November 27, 2008, 08:11:28 pm
Vacherin mont D'Or, a good comte, tomme de chevre, banyon, bleau des causse.

By the way a real cheddar (i.e. unpasturised and 2 years old is a fine cheese up there with the best)
we're a bit  :off: here but:
Funny you should point out the fineness of good cheddar- some French friends who had only ever experienced plastic pre-packed stuff were dissing it to me; along the lines of "Ah Joe you know food...for and English man what about your shite cheddar- at which point I waxed lyrical about the real thing and promised to bring some over the next time I'm there: I feel a Neil's Yard Hit coming on.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 27, 2008, 08:17:36 pm
I went for a comte plus a couple of spanish (firm) goats cheeses (one w/ brennessel / nettle) and something swiss, mature & unpronoucable that you could build w/.  It's the best of the bunch.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on November 30, 2008, 07:58:12 pm
A good day today: my 1st 100% Carignan (not easily available).  Rather like my 1st 100% Touriga Nacional; something to remember.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on December 10, 2008, 04:48:20 pm
http://www.santaduc.fr/site/spip.php?article107 (http://www.santaduc.fr/site/spip.php?article107)

To accompany tonites meal.  Though quite strong @ 15% - delicious, mind.


Beautiful part of the world.  Will add a tour of the Cote du Rhone region (along w/ a tour of Portugal's Douro valley) to the list of things to do before I die.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Richie Crouch on December 12, 2008, 11:41:29 pm
Currently enjoying a relative bargain from Tesco - 6.99 down from 9.99 for a 1489 Vino Nobile Di Montepulciano 2004. Going down a treat after my 12 hour shift!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on December 17, 2008, 10:23:36 pm
Enjoying my 87 Parker points for €4.40 the now  8)


Vina Borgia, Campo de Borja 2006.  Indecently smooth for a young cheap wine.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on January 06, 2009, 09:57:19 am
transferred from the xmas foodie thread...

(http://www.simontyler.co.uk/images/wine2.jpg)

this was a present a few years back from an italian fabric mill.  annoyingly they have since stopped being quite so generous. 
it was almost indescribably good.  quite a mission taking the cork out though.

(http://www.simontyler.co.uk/images/wine1.jpg)

my girlfriend awarded herself this as an xmas present from her gallery's booze supply.  it's from the moet hennessy / cheval blanc project in argentina.  by the time we got to it on nye i had already put away a quantity of both sloe gin and champagne and as such my palate was somewhat compromised.  that said, it was still pretty good.  i don't think it's cheap though...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: tommytwotone on January 09, 2009, 09:20:20 pm
Aha - a convenient moment for a wine punter like me to chip into the wine thread!

So, I'm a fan of your big hitting reds, but haven't ever really spent more than about £8 a bottle. Got a few mates over tomorrow, one is bring a chateauneuf de pape and I'm thinking of pushing the boat out and buying a bottle of barolo.

Can anyone hit me with some recommendations?

I'm happy to go up to about £20, and if it helps I'm serving up wild boar sausage stew.

Cheers word.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on January 09, 2009, 09:43:41 pm
well, you've chosen the right wine.

there's a barolo that waitrose do for under £20 that's pretty good.  i was quite impressed anyway.

and there's one in sainsburys that was rubbish and had clearly sat on the shelf for months.

then again, if it's not melon flavoured alcopop it's not going to sell in hastings...

an independent shop might have something interesting.

other option would be a barbera d'alba...?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: tommytwotone on January 09, 2009, 11:27:33 pm
Nice one - glad I'm on the money there. I'll be taking a trip to a conveniently located wine specialist near me to see what they can hook me up with.

Just noticed your bottle of barolo above is 3l...nice work, bet that was some good  :alky:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on January 11, 2009, 06:40:20 pm
Barolo is a great Idea and will work really well... but with wild boar sausage an Amaro della Valpolicella will really work and tescos have it. If its throwing a spanner in the works ignore me, Barolo will work fine, but the amarone is well worth considering.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on January 11, 2009, 10:28:45 pm
Just a quick heads up tesco are selling off A Masi Amarone 2003 (Good year, good producer) in their bin end sale at £20 something a bottle if you buy six, good deal. plus it will improve for ten years, well cellared.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: tommytwotone on January 11, 2009, 10:38:51 pm
Nice one - went with Yoss' advice and hooked myself up with a bit of this, which was top drawer:

(http://www.oddero.it/img_sito/vini/rossi/barolo_oddero.jpg)

Never spent more than a tenner on a bottle of red, have to say I was a bit worried as to whether it'd be that much better but it didn't disappoint!

Like the sound of the amarone, will get a bottle for the next sanglier supper at twotone towers...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Stef on January 12, 2009, 09:07:13 am
Can't you just be serious 1 minute and talk about real fine wines ??
 I mean french wines of course.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on January 12, 2009, 03:29:13 pm
Just a quick heads up tesco are selling off A Masi Amarone 2003 (Good year, good producer) in their bin end sale at £20 something a bottle if you buy six, good deal. plus it will improve for ten years, well cellared.

Which shop, do I have to drive over the snake again?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on January 12, 2009, 03:39:03 pm
Just a quick heads up tesco are selling off A Masi Amarone 2003 (Good year, good producer) in their bin end sale at £20 something a bottle if you buy six, good deal. plus it will improve for ten years, well cellared.

Which shop, do I have to drive over the snake again?
No Slopes you've done quite enough heroic travelling for the winos on this site ;)
Its available on-line in the tesco bin ends sale, its a case of 6 and they only deliver 12s so I got some good chianti as well
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on January 22, 2009, 06:17:28 pm
Christ boys have you seen the En Primeur prices for the 2007 Rhone. Thalabert at 6 for £105 IB. Taking the piss.

On a seperate note never, ever, ever try any BC red wine, had a bottle from a winery in Salmon Arms, it was a blend of Merlot, Pinot Noir and something called Foch (which turns out to be a small sheep poo sized red grape suited to short ripening seasons). The smell was atrocious. We left half of it. Which tells you all that you need to know.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on January 22, 2009, 07:17:23 pm
No, I haven't got mine through yet and just having lost at lot of monthly billing wil be reigning in a bit, perhaps with the economy this is one year where en primeur might be a losing bid, what with the recession the same wine might be cheaper in a few years?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on February 17, 2009, 06:14:23 pm
Who saw the programme about BBR last night. Just watched it on i-player. Oh God I chose the wrong path / parents.
I thought the Scottish ex-formula one guy was brill and must track down his wines.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: IS2 on February 17, 2009, 09:21:22 pm
Graeme what is this BC wine ... is it very very old ... no wonder it is shit, 2009 years sat doing nothing !! Even a good Burgundy starts to go a bit iffy after 50 years or so..... unless it is a really good bottle !!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on February 17, 2009, 11:02:52 pm
Ha ha. Very good.

BC = British Columbia
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on February 18, 2009, 06:05:45 pm
Who saw the programme about BBR last night. Just watched it on i-player. Oh God I chose the wrong path / parents.
I thought the Scottish ex-formula one guy was brill and must track down his wines.

indeed, i admired his commitment, wines are here > http://www.bbr.com/producer-1291-david-clark (http://www.bbr.com/producer-1291-david-clark)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on February 18, 2009, 07:12:12 pm
Thanks soapy I tracked him down too. Unfortunately I bought a new car today so my wallet has gone into deeeeeeeeep hibernation (weeeell for a bit). The Gamay pinot blend looks intriguing.
So we'll see.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on February 18, 2009, 08:12:33 pm
Are wetalking something along the lines of paster......?  If so I've had mixed experiences, any aprticular recommendations would be welcome.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on February 18, 2009, 08:17:02 pm
Are wetalking something along the lines of paster......?  If so I've had mixed experiences, any aprticular recommendations would be welcome.
Yeah that's exactly what Clark is producing. I've never had it so if the wallet ever struggles back to the surface I'd be up for a case.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on February 19, 2009, 07:51:55 am
if you were going to take a punt then his '05 passetoutgrains would give a reasonable chance of enjoyment


tesco tip of the week: couly dutheil '05 chinon at seven quid
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Dolly on February 26, 2009, 11:12:55 am
Got a mail shot from The Wine Society saying that 2007 Burgundy is now available for offers.
Does this mean that I pay the price listed, or that is a minimum payment which may increase ? I know it may appear a daft question, but doesn't make complete sense on their site.
Graeme, Simon, Joe help please
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on February 26, 2009, 11:28:32 am
The price is fixed but of course you have to pay VAT and duty at the prevailing rate when delivered from the bonded wharehouse.  Personally I think that despite the quality of the 07 vintage the prices are substantially unstable and likely to come down as the economic woe deepens.  I will probably only be buying a case of 'the introduction to red burgundy' and some Chorey-lès-Beaune, Domaine Tollot-Beaut which is utterly fantastic and a wine I've followed for years.


I don't know why but I can't see anything from Bruno Colin or Bruno Clair.....

PS I still owe you a bot, I'lll drop it around next time I go to the works.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on February 26, 2009, 11:35:00 am
as explained (http://www.thewinesociety.com/ServicesContent.aspx?PageCode=OpenOffe)

red '07 not highly rated, but:

http://www.bibendum-wine.co.uk/retail/en-primeur/burgundy_2007/wines (http://www.bibendum-wine.co.uk/retail/en-primeur/burgundy_2007/wines)

http://www.bbr.com/GB/fine-wine/burgundy-2007-tips (http://www.bbr.com/GB/fine-wine/burgundy-2007-tips)

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Dolly on February 26, 2009, 12:01:48 pm
Quote
PS I still owe you a bot, I'lll drop it around next time I go to the works.
Cheers - I left the basket from the freezer there for you.

Quote
as explained
Cheers - I didn't see that.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on February 26, 2009, 07:23:52 pm
Got a mail shot from The Wine Society saying that 2007 Burgundy is now available for offers.
Does this mean that I pay the price listed, or that is a minimum payment which may increase ? I know it may appear a daft question, but doesn't make complete sense on their site.
Graeme, Simon, Joe help please

Remember that with the WS you pay the Duty (about £1.50 a bottle) and the VAT when they get delivery rather than when you actually get it delivered. Most merchants keep it In Bond until you ask for it then you pay the VAT & Duty.

Me and Joe just ordered a few 1/2 cases of St Aubin plus a bit of the Passoutgrains stuff that Joe mentions earlier in the thread - got the latter from BBR.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: shark on April 09, 2009, 06:19:11 pm
Some interesting sub £5 French reds on offer at Morrisons at the mo. The Bordeaux (prestige de Calvet) and St Chinian are fine enough but the Corbiere better still especially after a good breathe. Not tried the Ventoux or Tricastin yet. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on September 19, 2009, 09:20:07 am
Need to breath some life into this thread.


Lacking the moral fibre to try the local Kazakh tipple I had some lovely Estate bottle Georgian wine last night.  C Sauv which is not my preference but still light years better than the Moldovan toilet cleaner I chored thru last week (demidulce/semi-sweet too, what a gaff ...)  Felt particularly bad handing over the equivalent of 8 euros as everyone in the queue ahead looked fucking destitute as they scraped together coppers for a packed of fags and nasty vodka ...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on September 19, 2009, 10:16:12 am
Need to breath some life into this thread.

Funnily enough my thoughts exactly (great minds... fools seldom...)
Tesco have half price on Promenade des Papes, Plan De Dieu, cotes de Rhone Village. £4.99.
This is the first '07 Rhone I've had, and if its typical (its meant to have been a stonking year) just buy anything with rhone and '07 on it.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on September 19, 2009, 10:49:08 am
not 2007, a ridiculous 2003
(http://www.winedirect.co.uk/images/images_big/FRDP0103MC.jpg)
houd's comment is sobering
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on September 20, 2009, 01:02:35 pm
anything with rhone and '07 on it.

Will do, spotted some 07 earlier.  Rhones rule.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on September 21, 2009, 09:05:48 pm
Need to breath some life into this thread.


Lacking the moral fibre to try the local Kazakh tipple I had some lovely Estate bottle Georgian wine last night.  C Sauv which is not my preference but still light years better than the Moldovan toilet cleaner I chored thru last week (demidulce/semi-sweet too, what a gaff ...)  Felt particularly bad handing over the equivalent of 8 euros as everyone in the queue ahead looked fucking destitute as they scraped together coppers for a packed of fags and nasty vodka ...

Waitrose had some Georgian stuff a while back, and I thought it was pretty reasonable.

I have been investigating primitivo of late. Decided that Donna Marzia was my favourite and bought a few cases.  Potent stuff that certainly keeps the wolf from the door.

If anyone's into white burgundies - I've continued to be impressed with various takes on the new(ish) Vire-Clesse appellation. The Louis Latour one is really good and amazing value.

I went a bit berserk and ordered a selection of some just released late 70s and early 80s 1ier cru santenay magnums from BBR a while back - report to follow.

And tried some amazing rieslings at the fortnums wine bar (retail plus £10, so quite a bargain if you're in town and feeling thirsty) which I went on to buy some bottles of.  I can't remember who the producers were though, and my cellar stairs are a bit steep this time of night...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on October 19, 2009, 06:38:12 am
I too like the Marzia primitivo.


Recommendations for Crozes-Hermitage please.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on October 19, 2009, 08:09:44 am
Just back from a large ish tasting (read family holiday with sick child) in Sardinia and can recommend Casa Finca and a bunch of other stuff which I can't remember, except one had a large 50 in red on the label and another had something ending in ssel.

In short everything over 10 euro was rather good.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on October 19, 2009, 09:47:51 am
I too like the Marzia primitivo.


Recommendations for Crozes-Hermitage please.
Jaboulet Domaine Thalbert, but I don't think you'll like the price Houd.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on October 19, 2009, 12:52:14 pm
Well, I require a stunning syrah in show of thanks to Fraudinis' Herculean efforts re:  dealing w/ me for a decade, and the delivery of Minidini in the new year. 

Cost not crucially important (I intend to be spazzed on vintage port for a week post-birth).
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on October 19, 2009, 01:00:13 pm
Nah, I've just checked the prices; not all are astronomical.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on October 31, 2009, 07:24:49 pm
Did no-one catch CHATEAU MONTY last summer?  C4 or BBC2, I forget.  I thought it was a great adventure, though his choice of staff baffling:  why fly someone over from the UK instead of local help?  Weird.  Must've been a TV decision, human element etc.. 



Drinking Portugese Niepoort Fabelhaft 06 which I'd wanted to try for ages.  They make incredible port but this kinda sucks.  Described to me as a cult wine, which I don't get.  They make port from this juice?  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on November 13, 2009, 12:56:10 pm
Well, I require a stunning syrah in show of thanks to Fraudinis' Herculean efforts re:  dealing w/ me for a decade, and the delivery of Minidini in the new year. 

Cost not crucially important (I intend to be spazzed on vintage port for a week post-birth).

a stunning syrah?

a really good 'un may be hard to find; can 30+ year old grange or la landonne/turque be sourced, at any price?

edit: great what the internets throw up > http://www.nicks.com.au/index.aspx?link_id=82.530 (http://www.nicks.com.au/index.aspx?link_id=82.530)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on November 13, 2009, 05:25:15 pm
http://www.wine-searcher.com/ (http://www.wine-searcher.com/) is your friend for tracking down those hard to find wines.

Watch out for the VAT & Duty being added plus minimum order costs.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on December 10, 2009, 04:35:31 am
For the wino-foodies: noticed some nice recipes on the Rothschild site http://www.lafite.com/eng/Recipes (http://www.lafite.com/eng/Recipes)

I tried some of the Rothschild Chilean Los Vascos for something different, and concur it probably arrived in KZ the long way round, hence the price.  Putting it beside the "local" Georgian C Sauv - it was kinda naff.  Good euro wine is ridiculously priced, Nebbiolo starting at around €50.

The other problem we have w/ liquids here is the cold.  They take ages to warm up back at home from the walk to the shops (-30°C if it's windy) and bottled water is mostly frozen in 10 minutes.

Apologises for spamming the food/drink threads, but what I put in my mouth is pretty much the only source of amusement or satisfaction available here; I found some capers not long back, it made my weekend.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on December 10, 2009, 08:59:42 am
Where are wines made w/ 100% (or predominantly) Carignan most likely to be made?

Recommendations?  I've only found one 100% carignan back home and would like to try more.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on December 10, 2009, 09:06:22 am
Languedoc-Rousillon and Provence but its also used in Spain and Italy.

The Wine Socity has a decent list, see if you can find any of these:

http://www.thewinesociety.com/shop/search.aspx?pageNumber=0&pageSize=9999&type=&grape=&vintage=&orderby=&keyword=carignan&wineType=&appellation=&grapeType=&priceRange=&sweetness=&country=&region=%20&match=&searchType=simple&advancedKeyword=carignan (http://www.thewinesociety.com/shop/search.aspx?pageNumber=0&pageSize=9999&type=&grape=&vintage=&orderby=&keyword=carignan&wineType=&appellation=&grapeType=&priceRange=&sweetness=&country=&region=%20&match=&searchType=simple&advancedKeyword=carignan)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on December 14, 2009, 04:18:31 am
Scoffed a bottle of CN du Pape couple of nights back, first time w/ this wine for me.  It was OK but still tasted like a 15 quid bottle*.  How much does one need to spend to make drinking this wine worthwhile?  Mövenpick stock plenty but mostly around the 60€ mark.  Must it really be so expensive?


* Kazakh price, so inflated.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: robertostallioni on December 14, 2009, 09:05:48 am
Had similar thoughts re. CNdP myself. A couple of years ago this was in CoOp reduced to 8 squid from 10 so I got a bottle. Quite nice thought I, but no finer than some 5 quid bottles I've found by chance. Sort of a decent "guarantee" for a dinner party perhaps- not that I go to those affairs of course. Although I would think less of you if you turned up to a dinner party with such a bottle. Sort of a "beginnner in pink lace-ups" move.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on December 14, 2009, 11:52:45 am
A lot of CNdP is sold on the name of the AOC and is barely drinkable, given the choice between at £10 CNdP and a good cotes du rhone village eg a Guigal I'll go for the cotes du rhone.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: fried on December 14, 2009, 12:39:42 pm
Chateauneuf DP is probably the most over-rated and over-priced French wine available, a lot is sold in countries such as Japan where it has aquired a prestige name. If you start spending around 10 quid (I imagine) you can get much, much better quality cotes du rhone, Lirac, vaqueyras or for a few quid more a decent Gigondas.

I did a season working in CDP and recently almost bought a bottle of (domaine de la solitude) for old times sake, but after talking to the sommelier in the supermarket, I changed my mind.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on December 14, 2009, 12:46:16 pm
sommelier / supermarket

??
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: fried on December 14, 2009, 12:48:28 pm
I live in Paris and can now neither speak French or English properly.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: robertostallioni on December 14, 2009, 12:53:33 pm
I have heard only good things about Château de Chasselas...
Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo#)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on December 18, 2009, 03:18:41 am
Anything special lined up for the Xmas table?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on December 18, 2009, 09:06:27 am
BraideAlte Livon '03 (not tried this before but it comes highly recommended at at £30 ish it should be nice)

Rocche dei manzoni Barolo '96 and / or a Corton 03.

Suiddurat 04

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: hairich on December 20, 2009, 12:39:47 am
last time i saw this was a forum for bouldering in the whole of the uk.when did you last do that sloper.when you still see your dick before the kids whre born
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on December 20, 2009, 08:55:13 am
And the winner of Incoherent Post of the Year goes to ...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: robertostallioni on December 20, 2009, 09:40:11 am
Well, I suppose he's got one less card to buy.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on December 20, 2009, 09:52:46 am
slopes, that braidealte sounds stunning:

"An intense straw-coloured wine golden reflections.  The bouquet is intense and spicy and the flavour is elegant and dry.  It is a wine of great structure, full-bodied and warm, with an almost untamed nose, strongly reminiscent of Sancerre, is intense in its long lasting aromatic flavours."

have sampled livon's tiaremate, a superb merlot


rather slender offerings for me this year, but looking forward to:

pommery wintertime nv

a ca del pipa le vigne 99 or two

and a rather nice bottle of frapin extra
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on December 20, 2009, 07:56:43 pm
last time i saw this was a forum for bouldering in the whole of the uk.when did you last do that sloper.when you still see your dick before the kids whre born

Ask your wife.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on December 21, 2009, 10:38:33 am
*opens popcorn
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on December 21, 2009, 11:07:24 am
No not at all, it seems as if Hairy has recently split with his partner and in the circumstances I have sent him a pm apologising for the above.

Anyway he has a poin these days I'm much more into chipping than climbing.  :spank:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on December 22, 2009, 06:10:07 am
Had a mad moment and ordered an €80 Barolo last night (hotel meal), figured that since everything was overpriced might as well do it in style (the Petrus prices were whack ...)

Daft really (could've had 2 or 3 excellent bottles from a wine shop) was also served too warm ...

 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on December 31, 2009, 05:15:43 pm
Had a bunch of wines this Xmas - I'm almost wined-out - but I persist, regardless.

I'd meant to photograph the empties as pics rule, but drunkenly overlooked that ... thing ...


Top of the pile in pure pleasure was a 100% carignan, an organic wine if memory serves, the only one I could find (in Mövenpick) & had a taste in excess of the €13 I paid, big surprise.  Will buy again.

Bottom of the pile was a Barolo (not had the best of luck so far), a gift, pretty rubbish, dull and lifeless.  Should've cooked w/ it.  I meant to note the wine so as to ward you off, but ... um ...

Currently drinking: 

http://www.domainedepiaugier.com/en_index.htm (http://www.domainedepiaugier.com/en_index.htm)

(http://www.domainedepiaugier.com/images/sablet_rouge06.gif)

Gobsmacked to get such a big wine for fuck all (€8.50), redolent of big Douro reds (in terms of weight) syrah/grenache.  Keen to explore more.  Check the website out, nicely homemade, which I always take as a sign of quality.  Recommended.



Picked up some of this Rousillion, €30 something

(http://www.hachette-vins.com/ab85deFRtv78/2008/2008-279gardi.jpg)

Yet to sample, but my kind of wine ie: no merlot or C/Sauv  :thumbsdown: but grenache, mouvedre, carignan.  Hmmm, hoping the frau will forget we have this and it will still be here in a few months ... I will make an attempt to squirrel it away later.

And I've an odd wine that I don't really know why I bought (in an airport) I meant to drink this on a train home, but failed

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3603/3694987467_8723764357.jpg)

Not my thing at all really.  Don't have much luck w/ claret ...  it's too dry.



There's been the odd Douro and Rhone too, but mostly that's what I've been drinking this Xmas.






 

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 01, 2010, 01:27:51 pm
http://www.domainedepiaugier.com/fiches_tech/tenebi.htm (http://www.domainedepiaugier.com/fiches_tech/tenebi.htm)

The Tenebi sounds badass:  100% Counoise.  Never heard of such a grape.  Has anyone sampled such a wine as this?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 01, 2010, 07:20:16 pm
RE:   Counoise

http://manageyourcellar.blogspot.com/2006/03/wbw-19-true-taste-of-counoise.html (http://manageyourcellar.blogspot.com/2006/03/wbw-19-true-taste-of-counoise.html)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on January 02, 2010, 02:41:52 pm
happy new year houd x

some interesting comments ref your pedesclaux (http://www.decanter.com/news/255864.html)

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on January 03, 2010, 07:15:37 pm
BraideAlte Livon '03 (not tried this before but it comes highly recommended at at £30 ish it should be nice)

Rocche dei manzoni Barolo '96 and / or a Corton 03.

Suiddurat 04

Well we went with the Barolo and mighty fine it was too, the Livon was however quite simply the finest white wine I've ever tasted.  An expression of excellence and if you're feeling like a bottle for a very special occasion, f--k the overpriced pop you get fleeced for in the £30 range and get down to Non Solo Vino in Chesterfield for some of this.

Note, declaration of interest they do keep chucking me the odd gift voucher, but honestly this wine really was something else.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 08, 2010, 04:06:05 pm
http://www.domainedepiaugier.com/fiches_tech/tenebi.htm (http://www.domainedepiaugier.com/fiches_tech/tenebi.htm)

This wine is no longer in production having stopped in 06.  The German importer had a case or so knocking around some dusty corner some years ago, but alas it's now gone  :(


Recommendations for interesting or unusual single grape wines, please.

Found a (mostly) tannat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannat) wine today,

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/129716122_a8d0c72822.jpg)

I was taken in by the colourful label (sorry slopes, no gold leaf ...)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on January 09, 2010, 06:20:37 pm
There are some wonderful Madirans, Domaine du Tempeir Bandol is also well worth seeking out, although I would suggest it needs 5 years to start to open up
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 11, 2010, 12:12:33 am
That Madiran above is dire and deep down - I knew it would be - I wanted to persuade myself I was wrong about merlot (it's 1/3 merlot*) and I'm not wrong!  It's rounds-out most of what it touches.



It's apparently sold as in "introduction to Tannat" - hence the blend.  Unconvinced.

I'm thinking this is the kind of red wine normally drunk by women who favour sparkling wines; needydamaged goods;  US soap-loving women who think Jennifer Aniston is fit. 

I need Yoss to throw some light on the kind of women who drink merlot.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on January 11, 2010, 10:14:04 pm
I can't think of any exclusive Merlot drinkers, but I did once meet a nymphomanic Australian management consultant who considered a decent bottle of Graves as a pretty fair exchange for a night of reckless abandon and a pretty mean breakfast thrown in too.

but as i recall graves tends towards a majority of cab sauv, with somewhat less merlot and cab franc, so that's actually not particularly helpful...

I'm having a dry month, but I was going mad for Alsace in December.  Bruno Sorg is the man.  The grand cru rieslings are worth trying. His gewurztraminer has the most amazing nose, but it promises a bit more than the finish can deliver...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: k2ted on January 11, 2010, 10:42:46 pm
Don't often post but thought Sainsbury's taste the difference 'Amarone', deserved a mention. No expert on wines but definately nice tipple for £14.99.

Also tried the Tesco 'Barolo'. One to avoid, for me anyway...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 12, 2010, 09:06:56 pm
Loving this at the moment, the first Greek wine I've tried.    http://www.tsantali.gr/ (http://www.tsantali.gr/)

(http://www.moevenpick-wein.com//medias/sys_master/8451723845782176.jpg)

Bloody lovely, syrah and something called mavroudi.  Try it if you can find it.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on January 12, 2010, 09:49:47 pm
Have you tried any Lebanese wine? Musar is, in my recent experience over priced and sub standard Clos De Cana is however a rare beauty at a reasonable price.  I think the last I had was the 2002 which at about £12 a bottle was very reasonable.

http://www.closdecana.com/ (http://www.closdecana.com/)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 12, 2010, 11:48:13 pm
I made a mental note to try some N African while working Summer 08 in Brum ... Alas the job ended before I got round to that part of the shop.  Not seen any since.  I recall the price being around 18 or 20 sterling.

I was asking about Croatian today, no joy.  Hungarian is on for next week though.

The clos de cana sounds nice, I like this phrase best from that wonderful eyesore of a site:  It is ready for immediate tasty consumption.






Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 13, 2010, 12:03:14 am
Speaking of Greek, has anyone drunk Cypriot wines?    I'd like to holiday there soon, preferably in a gite on a vinyard.  I think w/ a child in tow this may be difficult (flights etc..). 

Wouldn't be so bad to settle for France, Domaine de Piaugier (see previous post ^) advertises gite on their site, dare say they're common features of most small estates?  Has anyone toured wine areas, w/ wine and not climbing in mind? 

(Soaps:  I gifted the Paulliac to the father-in-law, his cellar is colder & it didn't seem for me)




Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on January 23, 2010, 02:16:52 pm
needydamaged goods;  US soap loving women who think Jennifer Aniston is fit.

...just what are you implying?!?!? ;)

..anyway..remember a few years ago when tesco's larger stores had their stab at fine wine? then withdrew it due to poor sales (they didn't read their core market of £3 south east australian volume drinkers)

well, they must be having a bit of a stock take and clear out, picked up:

chapoutier gigondas 05 (reasonable vintage)

philippe le hardi saint aubin 06 (summer quaffing)

ormond chardonnay 04 (ditto)

cote de lechet chablis 01 (bit past it, but as above)

all pleasantly marked down, amongst the dented tins and damaged christmas goods..
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on January 23, 2010, 07:33:40 pm
Which tesco as I found that the only one with the suduirat at £11 per half was the one in glossop and if I'm going to rummage in the discount bins with the proles I want something worth my effort.

How much was the Rhone & Burgundy?

Ps try the livon, it really is very special
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on January 24, 2010, 11:33:17 am
banbury

you'd need to search out an extra store, chesterfield, barnsley, stockport?

..*rummages for receipt..

chapoutier gigondas 05 (reasonable vintage) - £10.38

philippe le hardi saint aubin 06 (summer quaffing) - £8.47

ormond chardonnay 04 (ditto) - £6.06

cote de lechet chablis 01 (bit past it, but as above) - £11.82


ref. livon; yes i must contact non solo vino :)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on January 24, 2010, 04:10:39 pm
Shame I no longer live near banbury, I really mean it, no I really do.  :'(
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on January 25, 2010, 06:59:30 pm
Got a delivery in today including some 2003 Montus Madiran which is a whopping 15.5%  :jaw: One for next winter probably with slow cooked venison.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 28, 2010, 04:54:11 pm
Persisting w/ the 100% Tannat myself, this time from Uruguay.  Pretty sure I was undercharged by a half-cut shopling; but around €12.


Pisano Rio de Los Pajaros reserve 08.   Not sure what to make of it, or the grape.  Described as yet another "introduction to tannat".  Well, I'm through w/ introductions and would prefer to progress swiftly to something more intimate  :-*


Oh, and what's the deal w/ Barbaresco?  Is it worth trying the "introductions" around the €10-13 or does anyone have anything specific to recommend? 

And one more thing:  old whites.  What's the general on timeframe of drinkage?  I've a 10 year old Portugese white lined up for lunch tomorrow.  The F-in-Law hoardes wines regardless of type and I thought a decade fairly pointless.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on January 28, 2010, 05:33:26 pm
And one more thing:  old whites.  What's the general on timeframe of drinkage?  I've a 10 year old Portugese white lined up for lunch tomorrow.  The F-in-Law hoardes wines regardless of type and I thought a decade fairly pointless.

Look at the vintage charts
http://www.thewinesociety.com/Shop/VintageGuides.aspx (http://www.thewinesociety.com/Shop/VintageGuides.aspx)
or
http://www.bbr.com/vintage-chart (http://www.bbr.com/vintage-chart)

The general rule is that dessert wines and specific things like white Hermitage or expensive white Burgundy lasts for ages but most whites don't
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: shark on January 28, 2010, 06:08:32 pm
Anybody else bought the half-price Marlborough 'Crux' at Morrisons on etymological grounds - you know because of the name -. 'Crux'. Thought not.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on January 28, 2010, 07:37:12 pm
Oh, and what's the deal w/ Barbaresco?  Is it worth trying the "introductions" around the €10-13 or does anyone have anything specific to recommend? 


Angelo Gaja...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 28, 2010, 07:46:37 pm
This is what I think of the Gaja recommendation

(http://www.american-buddha.com/amapnew41.jpg)

I want something to drink, not invest in ... 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: hairich on January 28, 2010, 10:22:48 pm
that has to be a mapplethorpe.i am getting into port at the mo any advice
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on January 29, 2010, 08:11:14 am
Ummm, take your sails down and hide any drugs / sex slaves / large consignments of weapons?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on January 29, 2010, 08:28:51 am
This is what I think of the Gaja recommendation

NSFW  :
(http://www.american-buddha.com/amapnew41.jpg)

I want something to drink, not invest in ...

That arsehole looks like it's had a hard life...

Gaja singlehandedly made Piedmont great again.  He's a legend.

I've never had to pay for Gaja wine (except once for a bottle of Rossj Bass) cos we had an Italian supplier who gave us half cases for xmas.  The bottles are quite subtle looking, which unfortunately nearly led to a murder, when I returned home from work one day to find one of my house mates at the time sprawled out in the living room, with a Marlboro light in one hand, a bovril sandwich in the other, and a nearly empty bottle of the Barbaresco on the table.  I just stood and gasped for air. 

These days I would've cut off his cock and sent it to his mother-in-law...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 29, 2010, 10:55:20 am
... a Marlboro light in one hand, a bovril sandwich in the other, and a nearly empty bottle of the Barbaresco

Hmmm...

That's one beautifully balanced meal.





I looked up Gaja.  Interesting fellow, will read more. 

I'll see what Mövenpick have to offer.  Do you get these in the UK?  Great wine stores - alas mine has changed  from a warehouse-style affair w/ dusty boxes to more well-lit, sterile premises (& the Petrus safely under glass).  I liked the old place best, it was freezing but it was easy to get lost in a dusty corner surrounded by wines you've never heard of.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Falling Down on January 29, 2010, 12:00:34 pm
Does this now need a NSFW addition to the thread title?  :spank:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on January 29, 2010, 03:34:22 pm
Not if you're a successful pr0nographic photographer like Yoss, this is tame as a bunny compared to his bread and butter.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 03, 2010, 08:58:56 pm
There's a bottle of mid 60's Gaja Barbaresco going for €350 in my Mövenpick at the mo.


I was hoping to get a try before buying, but they told me to fuck off.


Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on February 03, 2010, 09:26:32 pm
Overpriced according to http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/gaja+barbaresco/1/uk (http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/gaja+barbaresco/1/uk)

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 03, 2010, 09:37:56 pm
Well, they do sell mid 00's Petrus for €1050 too, so ...


But the rich need to feel good too.



EDIT.  spelling.  fucking shit UKB edit policy. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Jaspersharpe on February 18, 2010, 08:42:39 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/18/gallo-hoodwinked-fake-wine-not-surprising (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/18/gallo-hoodwinked-fake-wine-not-surprising)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Dolly on February 26, 2010, 12:33:08 pm
Anyone got any recommendations for Wine Society 2008 Burgundy ?
Just got mail through
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on February 27, 2010, 06:35:57 pm
Another first this evening:  Sardinan Cannonau.


Spicy!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on March 18, 2010, 07:53:47 pm
henschke euphonium 2004

mm, mmm
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on March 19, 2010, 09:59:07 am
Speaking of Barossa, I had a bottle of Fortnums own label Barossa Shiraz last night.  Lovely, but pretty hefty.  My head hasn't quite cleared yet...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on March 19, 2010, 12:24:11 pm
ah, this isn't hefty, notes:

"Deep crimson in colour. Spicy sweet aromas of plums, anise, blueberries and cassis with hints of smoky tar, vanilla, cedar and minty nuances. The palate is sweet and ripe with lush blackberry fruits, complex with excellent depth and concentration, velvety fine-grained tannins and excellent length."

anyway i was inspired to take a punt on their whites, a pair each of:

tilly's vineyard
julius reisling
louis semillon

just need the fine weather :)

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: JamesD on March 21, 2010, 10:06:07 am
My company have been doing a lot of work lately with a great wine company called winebear, www.winebear.com (http://www.winebear.com)

Really good quality selection and he puts a lot of work into making sure all of his stock his awesome :)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: slackline on April 28, 2010, 05:01:27 pm
Seems its not really worth shelling out the readies unless you have pretensions are trained in the art of quaffing...

Goldstein et al (2008) Do More Expensive Wines Taste Better? Evidence from a Large Sample of Blind Tastings Journal of Wine Economics (http://www.wine-economics.org/journal/content/Volume3/number1/Full%20Texts/01_wine%20economics_Robin%20Goldstein_vol%203_1.pdf) 3:1-9[/url]
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on April 28, 2010, 08:36:11 pm
My company have been doing a lot of work lately with a great wine company called winebear, www.winebear.com (http://www.winebear.com)

Really good quality selection and he puts a lot of work into making sure all of his stock his awesome :)

Sorry to carp, but that looks like a poor selection and way over priced.

Slackers, indeed blind tastings are the way forward, along with knowledge and experience.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Charles on May 19, 2010, 12:28:57 pm
Tiers Rioja III Reserva.

Available from Asda for not very much. Delicious.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Houdini on July 29, 2010, 06:43:25 am
Little wine has been drunk this summer, but I pop into this blog once in a while, check her out.  Neat piece (http://manageyourcellar.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-we-tried-to-rescue-corked-1st.html) on rescuing a corked first growth claret
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Richie Crouch on October 02, 2010, 10:08:00 pm
Just enjoying a Christmas present I had been saving for a meaningful ascent to celebrate but have decided to crack it open to celebrate being able to crimp again with minimal finger swelling after 2 months of woe/rehab/volume on jugs:

it's a Jumilla Altico syrah 07 red. Full of flavour and packs a punch, it is going nicely with the pork/steam veg meal and balances out the goodness from the food  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on October 09, 2010, 07:38:00 pm
just had a bot ot Susterris 2008, apparently the table wine of the late El Bulli.

All I can say is . . . . holy fucking cow!

A revelation, it drinks as if it's >£50 per bot not £17.50. A revelation.  I haven't been this impressed by a wine since, well, ever. 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: shark on October 09, 2010, 08:28:44 pm
Red I'm guessing ?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Percy B on October 09, 2010, 08:33:57 pm
Red or white, you still paid way over the odds. You can pick up a bottle for £12 if you shop around... Good recommendation though - will have a go, I think.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Dolly on October 09, 2010, 08:40:41 pm
Where did you get it for £12 Percy ?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on October 10, 2010, 11:49:49 am
There's a similar sounding wine available for £12.34 via Slurp but it's not the same beast.

This was red and purchased from Hanging Ditch in Manchester who are a very refreshing new merchant.

Get some in for Christmas.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Charles on October 12, 2010, 06:48:43 pm
I haven't found this in the UK yet but if anyone is heading to Spain/Mallorca (where I had it) then seek this out:
Anares Crianza 2006
 (http://www.classicwines.us/wines/anarescrianza2006.htm) - Very easy to drink but also classic Rioja tastes. Delicious

The 2001 Reserva is also unbelievably good.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on October 22, 2010, 03:39:23 pm
had a very very good 1999 pommard with dinner last night, 1er cru les grand epenots, pierre morey
(http://www.cellartracker.com/labels/96678.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Richie Crouch on November 17, 2010, 10:46:10 am
Went out for a meal on the weekend and enjoyed 2 rather splendid reds:

First up was a Chateau Musar cabernet sauvignon 2002 from Lebanon which was very fruity and lingered on the palate pleasurably.

Next was a Don Jacobo Rioja Gran reserva 1995 (bodegas corral) that was magnificent, very smooth and full of flavour. I liked it that much I didn't get any pudding to spoil the taste!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: shark on November 17, 2010, 12:12:33 pm
just had a bot ot Susterris 2008, apparently the table wine of the late El Bulli.

All I can say is . . . . holy fucking cow!

A revelation, it drinks as if it's >£50 per bot not £17.50. A revelation.  I haven't been this impressed by a wine since, well, ever.


I assumed that the late El Bulli was a famous skewered matador rather than a restaurant  :lol:

Had a look at the Hanging Ditch website and they don't appear to stock it any more 
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on November 19, 2010, 10:16:52 am
Had a great session with Messers Picalli, Grieve & MacNae last Saturday

Ch Grillet 2005 & a Puligny Montrachet 1er Cru 2002 with the Crab Thermidor (Seb couldn't get any lobster)
Hermitage La Chapelle 1988 & Hermitage Chave 1991 with the Roast Venison
a Trimbach Gewurzt Vendage Tardive 1990 & a cellar door Sauternes (unknown vintage but it was old) with the cheese

then a selection of stuff from Seb's cellar and some port. Twas the only time I have ever seen Mr P bale early. And Seb had to have a mid session nap. Lightweights the pair of them.

The Chave 1991 was stunning  :jaw:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on November 20, 2010, 09:03:27 pm
Sounds like a decent session!
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Sloper on November 20, 2010, 09:35:35 pm
We had lobster  :-* with a saffron hollandaise but sadly our bevi (should that be bevum?) wasnt't quite up to your levels, but we did enjoy a nice Ch Puech Haut 09 and some Hortenvie 02 with the mallard.

Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: shark on December 11, 2010, 05:25:29 pm
Majestic Wine - shit or not shit? I know nothing about them and went in to a branch for the first time (Abbeydale Rd Sheffield) with no preconcieved ideas but couldnt find many points of reference to decide whether the pricing was good value or not as the labels were mainly unfamiliar (presumably they have the buying power to have the exclusive output of whole vineyards). There were bottles available for tasting but no clean glasses and I wasnt offered any. I left confused. Any thoughts on their selection and pricing ?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on December 27, 2010, 11:01:15 pm
majestic's ok, had several of these for quaffing over the break:

(http://www.majestic.co.uk/Assets/Majestic/Client/products/1/4/4/14452_p.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Pebblespanker on March 23, 2011, 12:59:13 pm
For anyone out there who loves Chateauneuf try Doamin du Pegau, hard to find as its a small producer but the quality is excellent, cost wise the price varies depending on the quality of the year £15 to £25 for the yearly release in Oct/Nov.

IF you can find one the 2000 was fantastic but doubt you'd pay much less than £150 a bottle now and given the small volumes probably more - rocking horse shit is common by comparisson  :'(

I have 2 left in the cellar I just need a good f*cking unbelievably good excuse to crack one open ...

I also have a white chateauneuf 2000 poss a Jaboulet but I will have to check - be interested to hear from anyone who has had white Chateauneuf as I bought it on spec about 8 years ago based solely on producer and year  :-\
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Paul B on March 23, 2011, 01:01:55 pm
Any thoughts on their selection and pricing ?

Reasonable when you buy in bulk although surely your coach doesn't approve  :jab:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on April 18, 2011, 10:17:17 pm
For anyone out there who loves Chateauneuf try Doamin du Pegau, hard to find as its a small producer but the quality is excellent, cost wise the price varies depending on the quality of the year £15 to £25 for the yearly release in Oct/Nov.

IF you can find one the 2000 was fantastic but doubt you'd pay much less than £150 a bottle now and given the small volumes probably more - rocking horse shit is common by comparisson  :'(

I have 2 left in the cellar I just need a good f*cking unbelievably good excuse to crack one open ...

I also have a white chateauneuf 2000 poss a Jaboulet but I will have to check - be interested to hear from anyone who has had white Chateauneuf as I bought it on spec about 8 years ago based solely on producer and year  :-\

Jaboulet only make one CDP, Les Cedres. If it's 2000 then it's probably past it's best (see http://www.jaboulet.com/Website/site/eng_lesgammes_lesgrandsterroirs_lescedresblanc_description.htm (http://www.jaboulet.com/Website/site/eng_lesgammes_lesgrandsterroirs_lescedresblanc_description.htm))

I've had the odd bottle of white CDP, mainly Vieux Telegraphe, it's lovely but had to pour away a 1995 a year or so ago. Gutted. White Rhone is one of my faves  and hapily I have quite a lot of it, icluding a few bottles of CDP:alky:

Got 3 bottles of the Pegau Cuvee Reserve 2003 downstairs. Cost a bit more than the standard Pegau CDP, won't be ready to drink for a bit though. Looking forward to necking it  ;D Red Rhone is my fave  :alky:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Ru on April 18, 2011, 11:47:57 pm
I've got, amongst other things, 6 bottles of 2008 Christophe Camu Grand Cru Chablis downstairs - when should I drink that Graeme?

Had a large bottle of this (1996)
http://www.jaboulet.com/Website/site/eng_lesgammes_lesicones_lachapelle_years.htm (http://www.jaboulet.com/Website/site/eng_lesgammes_lesicones_lachapelle_years.htm) recently that had been lying round for about 10 years. Thought it might have gone off. But no, it hadn't. Wish I'd had it with nicer food now.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Yossarian on April 20, 2011, 03:23:20 pm
I would try a bottle before too long.  I've had some Grand Cru chablis that have started going over quicker than anticipated.  Better to open a couple of bottles a bit fresh than wait and find it all over ripe.

My dad has some 2002 Corton-Charlemange and its definitely showing its age...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: GraemeA on May 03, 2011, 11:43:10 pm
Just tried my 1st bottle of 2002 Lynch Bages (had 6 in total ) and 2002 Haut Batailley (had 3 in total). H B was fucked so opened another, very good although not brilliant when compared to the L B which while still tasting a bit young was obviosly the better wine and will get a lot better with a few more years - the H B might improve and I will probably leave the last bottle for 3 or 4 years to see if it gets better.

Paid £11 In Bond for the H B, now going for around £25. Paid £16 IB for the Lynch Bages, now going for around £85  :great:  :alky:

I would expect to get a refund on the H B as only got it delivered last August.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Paul B on May 19, 2011, 11:38:24 pm
I used to lean heavily upon the knowledge of one or two members of staff from the Abbeydale branch of Oddbins. Alas, it is now closed.

Where's the best place in Sheffield to buy decent wine (supermarkets seem pretty South African/Australian focused and pretty selective at that, plus Tesco's et al. are CVNTS)? The only place springing to mind is the shop attached to Kitchen but I've never been in.

(I need to purchase a decent bottle for a wedding gift).
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: shark on May 20, 2011, 12:06:08 am
Where's the best place in Sheffield to buy decent wine (supermarkets seem pretty South African/Australian focused and pretty selective at that, plus Tesco's et al. are CVNTS)? The only place springing to mind is the shop attached to Kitchen but I've never been in.

(I need to purchase a decent bottle for a wedding gift).

If that's "Fine, Food and Wine" they are excellent. The only other place I can think of is Mitchells at top of Chesterfield Rd near the A61 roundabout. Or cut a deal at Graeme's Wine Emporium (http://www.climbingworks.com/)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: danm on May 20, 2011, 12:10:34 am
I can strongly recommend going to Provence to climb, road bike and err...totally skint yourself visiting producers and buying nice wine. Last 2 trips netted me some CndP from Pegau (good shout on that Graeme), their Plan Pegau which they call "bbq wine" is a good drinker at around €7 too. Domaine du Soumade was well worth the trip, got some of their Rasteau Cuvee Confiance and Prestige. The mandatory trip to Clos du Caillou ended with a nice collection of CndP and the 2009 Quartz CdeR is belting. Now gotta wait around a decade before it all hits its prime!

Currently got some Keith Tulloch Kester Shiraz 2000 and 2002. Best thing I've drunk from Oz.

Paul, Fine Food and Wine on Eccy Road is ok, also maybe try Bottles & Barrels on the Sheff side of Chesvegas. They do some decent auctions there too.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Paul B on May 20, 2011, 01:29:53 am
We made the mistake of getting sidetracked by the climbing despite driving up and down from the South of France, right through wine country, amateur mistake.

I'll give Fine Food and wine a go. There's a big place near me called "Le Bon Vin" but their selection doesn't look that inspiring online.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on May 23, 2011, 10:14:50 pm
It looks like it falls to me to take up Sloper's mantle of bigging up Nonsolovino in C'field. Nothing there is cheap BUT you can taste what you might want to buy due to their brilliant wine saving machine which allows them to open seriously expensive bottles and by balancing the amount of wine removed from the bottle with an identical volume of argon (I think, but inert gas anyway) the wine stays in perfect condition over a number of days. so if you want to buy a great bottle of wine or two as a prezzie you can go to www.nonsolovino.co.uk/  (http://www.nonsolovino.co.uk/)    you can taste (for a reasonable price) a wide variety of brilliant Itiei wines and decide if you fancy buying. I thoroughly recommend the place.
F.F.&W are great as well.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Paul B on May 23, 2011, 10:54:42 pm
F.F.&W are great as well.

I can't comment on the wine as unfortunately it wasn't for me but I found F.F. & W. fairly stuffy. However, maybe going in covered in chalk wasn't the best idea.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Joepicalli on May 24, 2011, 04:50:23 pm
I can't comment on the wine as unfortunately it wasn't for me but I found F.F. & W. fairly stuffy. However, maybe going in covered in chalk wasn't the best idea.



I'm sorry you found them that way, I've often been in on the way back from a ride and therefore a sweaty mess and they have been fine. Oh well.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on October 29, 2011, 05:22:12 pm
autumn and burgundy, specifically a very good 2007 vosne
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: andy_e on November 08, 2011, 11:40:06 pm
Aldi Cotes du Rhone. £3.79. Entirely palatable.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: fried on November 09, 2011, 06:05:46 am
As is Lidl Cote du Rhone. A bit more expensive in the U.K, but 1.29 in France if you're about.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: slackline on January 31, 2013, 07:49:46 am
Bistro Bordeaux - No Need For A Corkscrew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHTADX5nxT8#ws)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: soapy on February 20, 2013, 04:31:17 am
 tam, what you imbibing atm?
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: andy_e on February 20, 2013, 09:28:41 am
You won't get a response, he resigned from his post as Senior UKB Tory Candidate about 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: shark on March 30, 2016, 06:31:43 pm
I have been lucky enough to drink Chateau Bel-Air on a semi-regular basis as Joe Picalli and Seb buy a shipment of it each year as their regular drinking wine  :beer2:. For me it is the wine equivalent of Anasazi Whites.  It is consistently delicious and not the sort of thing you’d expect to find in a supermarket - except now it is – at Morrisons at an unbelievable bargain price of £10 a bottle.  :o

The bad news for locals is that I have hovered up the current displayed stock at the Sheffield stores of Hillsborough and Meadowhead where it is sold and also Guiseley (en route to Malham). Howver, I strongly recommend that those in the Provinces seek it out.

In the process of tracking down stock it became apparent that not all Morrisons have a “fine wine” selection. Those that do have a section where the selection is displayed in wooden boxes. I think it is likely that the chosen stores corresponds with the list at the end of this article (http://www.matthewjukes.com/2015/11/2009-chateau-andron-blanquet-saint-estephe-bordeaux-france/). Reading that article I would have been tempted to try out some of their other offerings if I hadn’t already broken the bank.

Anyway back to the Bel-Air. Obviously needs to be warmed before opening and be sure to decant it by which I mean pour it into a jug to aerate it – there is no sediment to speak of. It tastes very average if poured direct. Also Seb says the maker has passed on producing it for the last 2 years – the harvest hasn’t been good enough or something.

(http://i.imgur.com/2QapB8I.jpg)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: lagerstarfish on March 30, 2016, 07:10:57 pm
Joe gave us a bottle a couple of years ago - I liked it a lot

that same day that Joe gave us the Beil-Air (we drank it several months later), Slackline brought round a Vacqueras that reminded me of all the good times I had in the '90s in France buying cheap, but good Vacqueras and Gigondas following a tip from the late Victor Radvils

I find no fault with this from Wikipedia

Quote
Vacqueyras is, like Gigondas, known for its power rather than its elegance

suits me
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Muenchener on March 30, 2016, 10:19:12 pm
UKB has a fine wine thread? I had no idea we were so kulturniy

My local supermarket occasionally and for no apparent reason - they don't stock it normally, more's the pity - has prize winning riesling (http://www.leitz-wein.de/index.php-id=45.html) at half price in the bargain bin. The first time I didn't know what it was so only bought a couple of bottles. It was fantastic. Then they didn't have it again for ages, and when they did I had to leave a couple of bottles behind because I was shopping on foot and couldn't carry it all.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Footwork on March 30, 2016, 11:03:07 pm
A bottle can taste rank one day and delicious the next. Room temp and aeration usually does wonders.

Our local is Morrisons and if you come across the Wanted Zin, Zinfandel on offer I'd give it a go. £10 usually but bought it when it was down at £7. Tastes great just out the bottle and a safe bet for a dinner party.

Other table wine offer favourites are: Campo Viejo Rioja Reserva and the New Zealand Crux Sauvignon Blanc  :beer2:

Girlfriend has an app called vivino. Tells you what others thought, average price bought for etc.

Edit: I forgot this was a fine wine thread. Now let me tell you about my 1990 chateau Lagrange...
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: tregiffian on March 31, 2016, 08:44:39 am
I agree about that Rioja.
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: slackline on January 05, 2017, 10:14:11 am
The Weird World of Fine Wine (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-weird-world-of-expensive-wine/)


Selection of links to studies of varying size on wine at the end....

The Colour of Odors (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0093934X01924939) (N = 54)
Do More Expensive Wines Taste Better?  Evidence from a Large Sample of Blind Tastings  (http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/37328/2/AAWE_WP16.pdf) (N = 6000)
Marketing actions can modulate neural representations of experienced pleasantness (http://www.pnas.org/content/105/3/1050.abstract)
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: DAVETHOMAS90 on September 08, 2018, 12:52:36 am
Sorry, this is way off topic, but I couldn't find the bargain booze thread  ;D

I occasionally buy myself a bottle of plonk.

Just been to Siansbury's. Bought a bottle of "Penguin Sands" Merlot 13%.

God awful branding, but at £3.75 a bottle, seemed with a punt.

Really smooth and quaffable. A very fine wine at the price - to the extent that I'm wondering if they've made a mistake.

Then again, their espresso coffee beans have always been a complete bargain - currently at £2.30/237g bag, often lower.

 :2thumbsup:  :beer2:
Title: Re: Fine wine thread
Post by: Muenchener on September 08, 2018, 06:32:14 am
You never know do you?

My rainy day Carrefour visit on this year's Font expedition produced (among other things) a 15 Euro bottle of Grand Cru Superieur Ne Plus Ultra etc etc Alsace Riesling, and a 6 Euro cheapie bottle of same. Personally I much preferred the cheapie.
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