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the shizzle => shootin' the shit => Topic started by: cofe on February 07, 2015, 03:16:22 pm
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Apparently I don't own a drill. So I need a new one.
Any recommendations for ones which are decent (ie will drill into brick without crying about it), are preferably cordless and don't cost ten million pounds?
Ta. xx
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Just make sure you get a decent battery - not 1.3ah but double that at least.
A lot of the shopfitters I know are using these lately http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-dhp453rfw-18v-3-0ah-li-ion-cordless-lxt-combi-drill/7186f (http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-dhp453rfw-18v-3-0ah-li-ion-cordless-lxt-combi-drill/7186f) but I've heard of some issues with the batteries not lasting - others say different. I think maybe it's just down to usage...
A lot of the chippies I know are heading back to DeWalt lately but the one cordless I have that keeps on trucking is made by Bosch - 9.6v circa '97. Can't kill the batteries for love nor money. Personally I have a Makita 14.4v 2.6ah combi, as I have an old terrace and the bricks are pretty soft. My Hitachi SDS just disintigrates the bricks haha.
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Bosch. I had one that lasted for years and when it finally died I replaced it with some nondescript own brand thing from B&Q that seemed like an absolute bargain.
It was shit. I gave it away and bought another Bosch.
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I recently go pretty much the same makita one just before christmas. So far, no complaints - powerful, decent clutch on the screwdriver mode. To be honest, I've not really used it enough yet to offer much advice. Clearly waaaay better than the Wickes own brand |£30 had before...
The Hitachis seemed to be well regarded too.
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I recently bought a Bosch which is ok but it's wimpy compared to the Ryobi ones my brother in law uses at work shop fitting.
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Just make sure you get a decent battery - not 1.3ah but double that at least.
A lot of the shopfitters I know are using these lately http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-dhp453rfw-18v-3-0ah-li-ion-cordless-lxt-combi-drill/7186f (http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-dhp453rfw-18v-3-0ah-li-ion-cordless-lxt-combi-drill/7186f) but I've heard of some issues with the batteries not lasting - others say different. I think maybe it's just down to usage...
A lot of the chippies I know are heading back to DeWalt lately but the one cordless I have that keeps on trucking is made by Bosch - 9.6v circa '97. Can't kill the batteries for love nor money. Personally I have a Makita 14.4v 2.6ah combi, as I have an old terrace and the bricks are pretty soft. My Hitachi SDS just disintigrates the bricks haha.
I bought a Panasonic with the wimpy batteries, since our halfs the weight of the gun and to date one never flattened the battery before the other has been charged.
That was bought 5ish years ago and still going strong.
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If you want to drill into brick I'd just get a corded one. I've got a Bosch, it's great. I'm never that far from a plug socket at home and you get more for your money corded. I'm sure Jim will be along shortly to put you right.
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B&Q have got a good bargain on at the moment. 18v dewalt for £75. It probably only comes with one battery at that price but as it's just for in the home you can afford to waste 20 minutes charging it every few hours.
You can get better drills, but you'll be hard pushed to find one as good as this for under £130.
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If you want to drill into brick I'd just get a corded one. I've got a Bosch, it's great. I'm never that far from a plug socket at home and you get more for your money corded.
+1
I have a fairly decent bosch cordless and a dirt cheap no brand corded hammer drill, and if I need to get through some brick or concrete it's mains every time.
Not to mention if I need to use a drill bigger than about 8mm - for example for the probably-overkill M10 bolts that I used for my freestanding take-downable beastmaker rig.
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depends entirely what you want it for.
If its just to have a drill for the very occasional bit of this that and the other then get a 14.4v or preferable 18v Li-ion cordless combi drill from any of the big brands, which ever is on offer at screwfix for £100ish at the time. these will generally come with 2x 1.3Ah batteries which is more than enough for anyone unless you use it all day every day. Try and avoid the battery packs that push in from the bottom and get the ones that slide in from the front as these generally can be used on other tools of the same brand.
I have a 14.4v bosch blue (don't buy the bosch green stuff) and a 18v hitachi. The bosch is a significantly better tool however it only has a 10mm chuck and I needed a 13mm chuck for my holesaw and some other stuff so got the hitachi as part of a deal with a impact driver.
If its mainly for drilling into brick get a corded sds (I would love to get a cordless SDS but can't justify the £££ even with the level of DIY I do)
If its mainly for using as a screwdriver then you definately need an 18V impact driver although I also have a 10.8v screwdriver which is quite useful for lighter jobs
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actually just buy this and you're all covered:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-bag-6ds-18v-4-0ah-li-ion-6-piece-cordless-power-tool-kit/2176f# (http://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-bag-6ds-18v-4-0ah-li-ion-6-piece-cordless-power-tool-kit/2176f#)
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actually just buy this and you're all covered:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-bag-6ds-18v-4-0ah-li-ion-6-piece-cordless-power-tool-kit/2176f# (http://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-bag-6ds-18v-4-0ah-li-ion-6-piece-cordless-power-tool-kit/2176f#)
I clicked on that thinking "I hope Jim hasn't linked to a much better deal than I got". While clearly good value for money ... I don't think I missed out. :o
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Mainly what Jim and JB said, adding if its only occasionally you need an SDS corded drill you can borrow one of my two. ;D
Both of which are B&D which gets over looked in favour of Makita/Bosch/Hitachi but I've always been impressed with their corded stuff, far better than green Bosch.
A quick look found a corded Dewalt SDS on Amazon under £100 and B&Q are listing a 18v Dewalt Drill Driver on offer this weekend for £78. Only one batt at that price but still a bargain. You will need another batt
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Thanks for all the advice. That DeWalt looks decent, but I'm not going to pick one up for a couple of weeks. Lots of good knowledge here though, ta.
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You can pick up a Hilti from most good building sites if you just walk about long enough with a high vis vest on for long enough.
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Got an old SDS I no longer use you can have Ken
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Got an old SDS I no longer use you can have Ken
Hero. Yes please!
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http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?topic=23160.0 (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?topic=23160.0)
Is it a Man drill you are after?
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Got an old SDS I no longer use you can have Ken
Hero. Yes please!
you are aware that this drill is very heavy and only really usefull for heavy drilling work as its a dedicated hammer drill, its no good as a generall purpose drill unless of course all you want to do with it is drill holes in bricks/concrete or chisel walls out. You will still need to get an 18v cordless combi to have a useful drill.
Incidentally I've also got a circular saw going free if you want that as well
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Ken, I've got a vest and a semi-mullet, so I just need the power tools.
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good lad, they're all yours
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This is definately worth buying:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-gsb-1800-18v-3ah-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill/8160g
Also still got SDS and circular saw in cellar awaiting someone to come and collect for free (first come first serve)
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Sit Down Start??
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Bosch. I had one that lasted for years and when it finally died I replaced it with some nondescript own brand thing from B&Q that seemed like an absolute bargain.
It was shit. I gave it away and bought another Bosch.
Was this a Worx by any chance?
When in Homebase the other day I saw a 20v impact driver with one L-ion battery for £80. I'm seriously tempted but given the Worx Pro range almost triples that cost and I can't find much else in that price range (especially anywhere near the voltage), alarm bells are ringing!
It felt pretty solid in store, even if they glue the battery on.
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No. Can't remember what it was called but not Worx.
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Erbauer are the only other manufacturer I can find in the same ball park:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-eri6041pd-18v-2-0ah-li-ion-cordless-impact-driver/7485f
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do you want an impact driver or a drill, Paul?
for a drill, that Bosch from Screwface is in the same ball bag
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Impact Driver. Happy with it being slightly smaller, it isn't getting used for taking bolt-ons on/off.
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what will you use it for? go for minimum 12v, preferably 18v.
Got some erbauer tools, most have been pretty good for the price but don't last as well as the top brand stuff
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what will you use it for? go for minimum 12v, preferably 18v.
Got some erbauer tools, most have been pretty good for the price but don't last as well as the top brand stuff
Anything involving screws as my main drill is a PITA, heavy DeWalt thing. Depending on the outcome of another thread I may need to build a log store of some kind in the near future.
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What did you go for in the end Paul?
I'm after a drill which will be used for light screwing work in the near future but may involve a bit more heavy duty use in a few years. As I'm a cheapskate, I'm looking to spend definitely less than £100, the more so the better. Can anyone recommend anything please? There's a B&Q and a Screwfix not far from me and I'd rather get it sooner rather than later (i.e. no mail order). Cheers!
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I went for the Bosch Blue 18v combi that's listed above but with two 1.5Ah batteries instead of the one larger.
I'm not wholly sold on it if I'm honest. It doesn't have a cushioned chuck which means I maul screws more than I ought (and more than with Peewee's DeWalt of a similar price), also, the hammer function is pretty useless, again, my old DeWalt 14.4 XRP with a knackered battery does a better job by far (and I default to this even though I'm only getting one whole per charge).
I've seen equally good deals on Makita 18v trade stuff and I think that's where my money should've gone.
On another note I used a Makita 18v SDS for drilling limestone and I thought it was bloody excellent. This outperformed a 24v (although older) Bosch Blue and seems popular with cavers for its small form factor.
I still want an impact driver, even just a little 10.8 version for using inside tight space (ooh er).
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So far, so good with my Makita 18v. I must caveat by saying that I've not really done much serious drilling with it. Was about £100 with a whole pile of drill bits etc. thrown in.
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What do I need exactly? Impact driver? Combi? What's SDS?
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Stop being a cheapskate and get a Makita. One with a rrp of 150 ish. You'll find a deal.
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Thanks. Anyone with any suggestions which fit the original brief?
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Your brief is poorly thought through. I did exactly the same. I bought a 100 quid drill. Used it. It frustrated me. I bought a Makita and put the other one on freecycle.
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Thanks for the life tips, any get rich quick schemes?
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Probably. But I get the impression that you're not too keen on accepting good advice. :wall:
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Thanks for the good advice, which was "spend more money than you have". If, in three or four years time, it transpires that the sub-£100 drill that I bought proves to be frustrating to use, then I'll replace it. But for now, I'd like a sub-£100 drill that can do some light screwing work in the near future, which may come in for some more heavy duty use in a few years, although I won't be using it for lengthy DIY projects, just putting up the occasional set of shelves, for which a sub-£100 (which I can afford) will probably suffice.
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B&Q do a combi pack of the Makita 18v drill and an impact driver (http://www.diy.com/departments/makita-18v-li-ion-combi-drill-impact-driver-kit-2-batteries-dk18015x2/642650_BQ.prd) and that is available today for the princely sum of £140 on a cyber Monday online only deal. It should be noted though that they use a bespoke battery for those so if you are planning on expanding out to other cordless kit in the range then it is not the kit you want. the other downside is that the batteries are only 1.3ah but as long as you charge the batteries while using the kit (impact driver especially) you should be fine. Apart from that I think that the drill and impact driver are pretty much the same as the ones I have (I have the ones that will run on LXT batteries though) and they are seriously good pieces of kit - built two log stores so far with the impact driver and it is a beast of a piece of kit - the second most abused piece of kit I own after my sliding mitre saw.
SDS - drill, hammer drill and it will also work as a chisel like manner - bloody awesome piece of kit that will be next on the butters tool list. Definition and more details here (http://www.its.co.uk/blog/buying-guides/what-is-an-sds-drill/) .
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What do I need exactly? Impact driver? Combi? What's SDS?
SDS = serious hammer action for regularly drilling in concrete brick and limestone, uses SDS bits which have a special shape so they 'click' into the chuck. (thinking of putting any bolts in?)
Impact driver - cross between a screwdriver and a hammer drill. If you are screwing up stuff real tight - or long screws into dense material, the hammer action stops the tip jumping out of the screw head. Useful for undoing over tightened stuff. Route setters will often use imp drivers for bolting holds on.
Drill driver - handy for general DIY round the house, a hammer action is nice (I've found that my SDS is a little too powerful for the crumbly plaster and brick in our house, and I end up with a cracked hole thats too large instead of the neat hole I was hoping for).
One thing to consider - if you're ever going to end up with other battery tools, its nice for them to all use the same battery. i.e. - I chose an 18v makita SDS when looking on the basis that many other folks have them so I can borrow their batteries, and I'd most likely end up with a makita 18v battery angle grinder/ impact driver if and when I buy them.
Bosch or Makita every time in the caving world (cavers use a lot of battery tools underground in harsh environments so need to be reliable and tough).
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Ah, right, thanks butters and SamT, so I don't really need an SDS then! Seems like overkill! Looks like a drill driver will probably suffice then.
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You said you were a cheapskate. You didn't say you only have 100 quid.
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Ah, right, thanks butters and SamT, so I don't really need an SDS then! Seems like overkill! Looks like a drill driver will probably suffice then.
Drill driver will be more than sufficient for what you need - you are getting into a different level of DIY when it comes to requiring an SDS drill - think installing extra back boxes for electrical sockets and the like which is when they become invaluable compared to doing it with manual tools especially if the brick is hard like some Sheffield bricks can be.
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Not like those soft southern bricks eh?
Thanks. Tempted by the Erbauer one Paul posted at the top of the page given Jim's testimonial on Erbauer.
Whilst we're on the subject, I need to cut down a piece of wood (five plies thick, ~10cm x ~1cm) in a nice straight line. My floppy hacksaw will make a pig's ear of this, what sort of hand-saw wouldn't?
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The wood is 10cm wide by 1cm thick yes? Get either a decent handsaw (http://www.screwfix.com/p/irwin-jack-universal-saw-20/95247) or for a bit more control a tenon saw (http://www.screwfix.com/p/irwin-jack-tenon-saw-12tpi-10-254mm/10812) which has a stiffened back on it which will help keep the cut straight but gets in the way if the wood you are cutting is thicker (which I don't think is the case for you). If you are cutting a straight 90° then use the saw to get the line to cut if you don't have a set square to hand (the handle has settings for 90° and 45° cuts built in).
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Perfect, thanks. I'll probably go for the tenon saw as I'm a shaky bugger at the best of times.
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Thanks. Tempted by the Erbauer one Paul posted at the top of the page given Jim's testimonial on Erbauer.
That's an impact driver. The combi equivalent is here:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-er1603com-18v-2-0ah-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill/7645f
A Ryobi One system might be a good option as you can expand into other tools as/when necessary.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ryobi-LLCDI18022-Cordless-Batteries-Charger/dp/B00DYSZQJA
or just buy super-cheap from Lidl/Aldi/Homebase (Worx) and accept you'll likely replace it at some point in the future.
Our house is solid stone construction which makes drilling into anything of structural value quite tricky with a lightweight drill.
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Thanks for the good advice, which was "spend more money than you have". If, in three or four years time, it transpires that the sub-£100 drill that I bought proves to be frustrating to use, then I'll replace it. But for now, I'd like a sub-£100 drill that can do some light screwing work in the near future, which may come in for some more heavy duty use in a few years, although I won't be using it for lengthy DIY projects, just putting up the occasional set of shelves, for which a sub-£100 (which I can afford) will probably suffice.
who said spend more than £100?
Stop being a cheapskate and get a Makita. One with a rrp of 150 ish. You'll find a deal.
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Another option to consider - 18v DeWalt cordless (http://www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-dcd776c2-gb-18v-1-3ah-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill-xr/17648) at a penny under £100. Batteries are a bit smaller than the Erbauer one - 1.3Ah vs 2Ah - but it has a light built in. Sounds a small thing and something I had never thought of but my Impact driver has it and it really does come in useful at times. Whether that justifies the £20 price difference (it's going to be a better quality piece of kit as well) is up to you.
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Cheers, I had spotted that, plumped for the Erbauer in the end based on battery size.
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The 1.3Ah are doing me fine and I've been doing far too much DIY recently!
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An 18v cordless drill/driver with hammer action will do 70% of home jobs. You'll need two batteries unless you like taking a lot of 45min tea breaks. The issue is at some point even the best cordless drills will run out of grunt so there's not such thing as one drill that does everything, 18v will only do small masonry holes, and will struggle with large diameter wood bits or core/hole bits. This is where a corded SDS comes in. If you need to drill large or deep holes in brick or stone only SDS + 240v will do (unless your a pro and spend serious wedge on a cordless...or are called Jim).
Sounds like you have chosen one already, but also found this which would be fine (3 year warranty, 2 x 2.0Ah Lithium batteries).
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3338762.htm
If you end up deciding you need a SDS drill as well at some point, cheap non-brand ones are fine for occasional use. I've had a B&D one like this for about 15 years and it's been amazing, put one on your Xmas list or keep you eye out for deals...
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3258646.htm
There's a DeWalt one for not much more but I don't think there would be much between them. Some people slag off B&D, but it's been far better than some Green Bosch tools I've had.
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I was just about to link this one: http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-dhp453rfw-18v-3-0ah-li-ion-cordless-lxt-combi-drill/7186f
When I saw you'd already got an Erbauer. My dad got an Erbauer RA Sander and it's a sturdy bit of kit. Much better than the ryobi one I bought later. I'm sure your Erbauer will do you fine.
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Just don't link the Cyber Monday Makita 18v for £79.99 with two batteries now will you?
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If your over 65 yrs you can join the diamond club at B&Q and get 10% every Wednesday. I took me mam!
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If your over 65 yrs you can join the diamond club at B&Q and get 10% every Wednesday. I took me mam!
Wickes do an NHS too
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Just don't link the Cyber Monday Makita 18v for £79.99 with two batteries now will you?
Where? This one?
http://www.wickes.co.uk/Makita-18V-Ni-Cad-Hammer-Drill-8391DWPE/p/122711
I've got a set of these, they have been fine but if I was buying now I'd get Lithium batts not Ni-Cads.
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The 1.3Ah are doing me fine and I've been doing attempting far too much DIY recently!
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The Erbauer allowed to to successfully screw in the six screws I required it to. At only £13.33 a screw, I'd say that was good value. The saw also worked perfectly, and, despite some shoddy workmanship and the necessity to bodge a solution to some carriage bolts with too short a thread, I finally got my fingerboard up. Thanks for all your help!
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Photos please.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEA1D8GW8AA9WxZ.jpg:large)
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I still want an impact driver, even just a little 10.8 version for using inside tight space (ooh er).
Don't do it, you will definitely regret it.
Definately get a impact driver but min 14v, probably best getting the body only version of the bosch blue and use the batteries off the drill
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I had a wee peek to see how much a second battery for my Makita 18v would be (it has 1 x 3ah). £69!! The drill with 101 bits was only £100...
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the green hitatchi impact driver and combi drill are for sale with 2x 1.5ah batteries and charger £80. well used but still going strong. Its a 13mm chuck in the drill which is why I originally bought it but its the old style double twist chuck lock rather than the new single twist but doesn't effect its performance. Will throw in some screwdriver head bits as well and maybe some spare drill bits.
Still got corded SDS going for free. again well used but fully functioning, If I've got any spare SDS bits you can have those as well.
Also circular saw for free
All pick up in Hazel grove (although I might be in the peak on Sunday if its dry!)
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4.0aH £62 (http://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Makita%20Bl1840%200088381426749%2018V%20Lxt%204.0Ah%20Li%20Ion%20Battery)
yes the batteries are the expensive things, the bare tools themsleves (depending on what you're buying) are relatively cheap
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I had a wee peek to see how much a second battery for my Makita 18v would be (it has 1 x 3ah). £69!! The drill with 101 bits was only £100...
Definitely available cheaper than that - from memory the 4Ah ones are cheaper than the 3Ah. Just found this one (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Makita-18V-4-0Ah-Li-Ion-LXT-Battery-BL1840-4AH-196399-0-NEW-WITH-STAR-/301624539587?hash=item463a3939c3:g:GjUAAOSweW5U5a2Y) at £56.99 on Ebay and it is genuine - don't buy the copies as they tend to be pretty poor from what I have read.
Just did a quick search for the 3Ah ones and nothing of notes shows up.
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Anyone care to comment on the quality and price of this Makita Twin Pack (http://www.wickes.co.uk/Makita-LCT204W-10-8V-Twin-Pack/p/212253#prodReviewTab)? The extra 15% off tomorrow making it 40 fuck alls is tempting me.
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Depends on the application? Those little and light impact drivers with the hex fittings are really nice for fine and lighter work. A 10.8v drill will be lacking in guts for any medium to heavier applications, and no hammer action. So the drill driver in that pack seems pretty pointless to me. Assuming you don't already have one, something like this represents much better versatility and value for money: http://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-gsb-18v-lids-professional-18v-2-0ah-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill/17024
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It would be used predominantly for household stuff like putting screws in walls, but might end up being needed for building a cellar/garage board.
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I'd definitely recommend an 18v combi drill in that case. Loads of choice for around the 100quid mark - all the good brands are competing really hard around that price so represent pretty good value I reckon.
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Combi drill meaning an electric screwdriver with a hammer function? Better than an impact driver? I like torque :2thumbsup:
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I have a Bosch 18v combi drill/driver which when I tried to take down my board failed to take out the screws put in by my brother in law using his Ryhobi Impact driver.
I now have an impact driver as well.
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I have a Bosch 18v combi drill/driver which when I tried to take down my board failed to take out the screws put in by my brother in law using his Ryhobi Impact driver.
I now have an impact driver as well.
Blue bosch or green bosch? Li-ion or ni-cad batteries?
I've got one of these http://www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-dcd776c2-gb-18v-1-3ah-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill-xr/17648 (except with 3.0Ah batteries) which is fairly equivalent to the blue bosch one I linked above. Use it most days for full range of work including heavy duty screw driving and never found it wanting for torque. eg. will drive long, really beefy screws deep into hardwood without pre-drilling, no problem.
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Combi drill meaning an electric screwdriver with a hammer function? Better than an impact driver? I like torque :2thumbsup:
Nlot specifically hammer but well worth having. Just a drill you can use as a screwdriver and a drill. They generally have 2 speeds/gears. normally screw drive in low gear, drill in high gear.
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I have a Bosch 18v combi drill/driver which when I tried to take down my board failed to take out the screws put in by my brother in law using his Ryhobi Impact driver.
I now have an impact driver as well.
Mine gets absoloutely crushed by PeeWees DeWalt of the same (ish) value. TBH, I'm not overly impressed with my Bosch 18v after owning it for a number of DIY projects (and I still need an impact driver).
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I would love to see peewee and Paul B go head to head in a non-celebrity death match!
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No need, given Paul's history he'll injure himself.
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Damn, didn't factor that in! Quite right, he'd trip up and break a leg getting into the ring :boxing:
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Had to borrow an SDS drill a few times, and probably likely to need one in future so, considering getting another Makita 18V. Any thoughts on whether or not one like this would do ok for the odd bit of bolting?
https://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-dhr202z-2-9kg-18v-li-ion-lxt-cordless-sds-rotary-hammer-drill-bare/48570?tc=QT3&ds_kid=92700055256569560&ds_rl=1244066&gclid=Cj0KCQiAjKqABhDLARIsABbJrGl7RVvTLsVndQv0Lq83dG9G29kuC70eBxsMsRgM1aCwLuQZq8oSN2kaAvwWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds#product_additional_details_container
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A bit of bolting no problem, probably not up to endless days as a workhorse though. Used one of these to bolt some routes on the Isle of Man in some seemingly very hard rock, it was slower going than with a big beast of a drill but managed fine.
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The 202 is a bit old now, personally id go for the brushless DHR242...(I've got one).
I've done bolting using resin P bolts (so 16 and 18mm holes with it and its fine). Very robust and certainly a fave of cavers.
If you were doing full routes, on a regular basis, a 36v option (bosch GBH) would be better.
big topic with loads of info here.. https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=19468.msg249996#msg249996